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The origin of the wind feather arrow, according to the literature, was invented due to the extreme lack of feathers due to the long-term war. For the specific shape of the wind feather, I think there are many ways to try, what do you think?
Sad story, lack of feathers, well, I'll try paper, hair, but surely they did.
In my country they are using gum tape for fletching as govt has restricted the use of feather to protect a species of bird which is killed for feather gum tape version works super fine as minimum range in my cotis 145 meters that’s y fletching is must n we use narrow part of feather contrary to other countries as arrows need to travel a long distance so to lessen the drag they developed this system bt great work
Do you have any sources to read more about them?
@@ninjaw23 me too
@@oldbonesbushcraftrodjackso474 hi,What material are the delta wings made of?
To test whether the arrows are spinning, you can paint a line in a bright color along one side of the shaft. Then if you take video from the side and slow it down, you look to see if the bright line disappears and reappears as it twists.
Thanks for your suggestion, I'll try it ^^
You are assuming he has a high speed camera.
@@dlighted8861 no fue así Momo las mostró al final del video?
@@elemkrizzb I am sorry,I only speak english and french. The more I look at you shooting the more I think you are just a good archer that makes pretty arrows. I will make a few over the Winter and see for myself.
@@dlighted8861 that's not how he showed them at the end of the video
I hope this translates well
By far, the most interesting arrow build video I've ever seen.
I learned so many great lessons from this video. I need to get more tools and equipment and make my own arrows.
Thanks for the compliment, that's pretty interesting
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You're a true craftsman - great work.
Thank you for your compliment, so glad you like it.
A fresh concept for featherless arrows, worth trying
very interesting
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I think the shooting range is too near to tell if the arrow is being stabilized.
Also, I have heard that featherless arrows can be made by tuning the weight balance of the arrow. I think it will be good to compare against featherless arrows that do not have grooves, just to check if the grooves make any difference at all.
Yes, I plan to make another type of wind feather arrow, and then I will test it well.
Usually the worst of the wooden traditional fletched arrows with minimal feather and even with one missing would stabilize in 10m easy. To get unfletched arrows to stabilize is a complex thing that needs to start by tunning with the bow and using tricks to get it to stabilize. Like a very heavy point, a tapered shaft, a much longer arrow and a spiral nock to imprint spin form the get-go.
What a magnificent job you did, it was perfect and everything handmade, congratulations on your work, demonstrating expertise and skill in the use of tools and for your patience and dedication to the execution of this work. Show. Congratulations
Thank you and look forward to seeing you next time.
Искусная работа!!! Браво, мастеру!
I have never seen wood glue used to attach metal points and wonder how well it holds. Thank you for showing the wind feather design. As far as testing whether the arrows work/rotate or not,color one side of the arrow a bright color and the other side a dark color. You or another observer should be able to see rotation. Also shoot three arrows with grooves then three with no grooves. If the grooved arrows shoot better and are more forgiving you have at least created drag which is very good. I think I would be more comfortable using a round file to create the spiral grooves. You have given me a lot to think about. 🤗😉🤗
Thanks for your suggestion ^^
I do it when I make mine. They hold up well enough for "soft" targets. They'll work hitting something like wood for a few shots but I avoid it as much as possible. I haven't wrapped thread around mine like he does, I may have to try that.
好厲害的製作技術,原來你是國際市場的黑馬....... 酷
專心做國外好了 哈
What a great video . Excellent craftsmanship making these arrows and superb choice of music, it made for a very relaxing and enjoyable video. Thank you.
Thank you for the compliment, I also like this work and the nice music
Judging by your arrow flight footage, it's pretty much identical to having no stabilization and having stiff arrow shafts for your bow. I bare shaft test to check arrow spine from time to time when making arrows.if it does correct then it might be over larger distances. I don't see it doing much but it's probably does something over 50 yards. That said arrows that are spined properly can be shot without much stabilization at all. I commonly build and shoot two fletched arrows rather than three or four. They barely correct at all besides adding spin and shots can still be on target enough for bird hunting. They actually fly much farther. If not built right though they can really do strange things. Bare shafts can too if spined improperly. A good gust of wind or a wobble can cause bare shafts and even improperly made two fletched to make sudden turns mid flight up to 60 degrees. It can be scary. Some two fletched will even take a curved, erratic path after that.
Thank you for your suggestion. I don't have enough experience. I can't understand the archery skills and details you mentioned. I hope I can understand your words in the future ^^
@@woodenren I'm mildly surprised. I've been building my own wooden arrows for a while now and you got those pretty close to matched to that bow. I'm sorry I would give you reference links to what I'm talking about but I don't even think we can post links in the comments anymore. Two fletched arrows are a native American thing. Other parts of the world seemed to use it as well. It comes from fletching the arrow with two parabolic feathers rather than three. They have to be exactly opposite each other to work and they provide minimal stability and drag on the arrow. A lot of traditional hunters in the states use them. I think the Mongolians may have too but don't quote me on that. Might be a fun research and build project for you. Not a lot of videos on UA-cam out about them. The most important part is they have to have only a slight tilt in how they set on the arrow because they only exist to make the shaft spin much like the wind arrows you demonstrated. They were also used to save feathers but we're often even made when feathers were abundant because they were better suited to shooting rapidly as the feathers we're often fletched perpendicular to the nocks and thus just laying them across your forearm and running the bowstring across the forearm would cause the nocks to seat on the bowstring. They were paired with flared nocks take this happen and a skilled native American archer could shoot upwards of ten arrows before the first had completed it's flight to the target. They also tended to go further than classic three fletched arrows cause of less drag. This all made them good arrows for war.
@@youkyuu2402 ua-cam.com/video/qQDjKPpmML4/v-deo.html
Put feathers 3 inches down from the knot and it helps to stabilize the arrow as it flies.
Nice work. And now the critique: Do not cut the shafts with a circular saw, split the wood with a knife or wedge as this will follows the fibers much better. Horn inserts in nocks are for heavy bows, you did drill a hole in the shaft further down so you cannot use a heavy bow regardless of nock strenght, but it is pretty. Aerodynamically those two straight grooves will work in only one rotation direction, the spiral might be better, but both veered heavily to the right in your last shots, so sadly both seem to not be enough to stabilize an arrow in the first 10m. If you shoot the arrow without a metal point, so unweighted at the front, you might find it is completely unstable, which is not usually the case with the tiniest of feather fletching on an arrow without a point. But still it is a great experiment and complex workmanship so congrats.
thanks for watching
👍никогда о таком не слышал. Интересно увидеть продолжение темы!
Это интересная тема
Excelente trabajo Maestro !! 😉👍🍻
Thank you for your compliment, so glad you like it.
Interesting arrows. I think they are to stiff for your bow. On target, arrow nock go to the right side, that mean, stiff arrow. Try to reduce diameter of arrows. Also, reduce, spread coils, grooves. They must have aerodynamic interaction with air. Reduce them 3 time more, and compere with old ones.
Thank you for your professional advice, increasing the length of the helix and reducing the number of turns should make the effect better
dont know about the spinning at the moment but the shots in the end are showing that the arrows are not stabilized. and thats whats counting, with or without spinning
Thanks for the suggestion, I will try more
素晴らしいですね。 実は今日はそれについて考えました。 矢を回転させて飛ばすのですね。
ありがとう、楽しいです
You should try making twists in the knocks themselves. That way they impart a spin as the leave the bowstring. This would also provide a small rearward tug on the arrow as it's released maybe and help make it fly straight with no veins
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
Try the turning arrow test, knock the arrow at an angle before shooting straight, say 2-3 centimetres above where you normally knock it then turn the bow side ways. Usually the feathers correct the velocity of the arrow to align with where it’s pointing causing a misaligned arrow to turn. See if this happens for yours, if yes by how much. Use a few regular arrow as control. This test can be dangerous. I have never done this before and have only seen Lars Anderson do it, although on paper it aerodynamically make sense.
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
Дуже цікаве відео!! Було б цікавіше запустити таку стрілу метрів на 200!!!
Ця відстань занадто важка для мене ^^
You are good at making, 非常好
謝謝^^
I just stumbled upon this video. I'm looking to start practicing archery. I have never seen nor heard of air feathered arrows. But I can see how this would make sense and work as I'm into shooting firearms (sports, fighting, survival). This just amazed me. I'm definitely going to look into this some more and give it try. Excellent video. Thank you, my friend.
Thank you for your compliment, so glad you like it.
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Bem interessante..um trabalho minucioso e que necessita muita paciência. Parabéns !! Seus vídeos são muito bons !!
Obrigado por seu apoio contínuo
@@woodenren 😊👍
Вот всё это интересно настолько, насколько взрослый человек занимается тем чем мы занимались в 14 лет и при этом под музыку, . Охренеть !!! Это круто!
Спасибо за лайк, я очень тщательно выбираю музыку ^^
Good job sir 👍 great work .
Thank you, nice to meet you.
excellent making, simple and effective
Thank you, nice to meet you.
I know from the african archery culture that there have been tribes shooting featherless arrows out of river cane by a certain set of the center of gravity and by a certain taper ... Great clip, thank you - I also was reflecting a lot to build and test featherless arrows : there must be a way ...
Very interesting, try a lot ^^
Featherless arows do spin because they use them with deflexed bows and they do twist the bowstring before release as far as i know.
This was really nice to see. I think that if you want to test this more thoroughly, I would make 2 more arrows (one with feathers and one without a groove) to act as tests. The notch you added to the end could serve to visualize the spinning, if you had a better slow-mo camera, but aside from that, I'd suggest staining half your arrow length-wise.
Thank you for your compliment, so glad you like it.
Great technique! And you got me with the music 🎶 thanks bud ..
Thank you, nice to meet you.
In India, in the recent few hundred years atleast, arrows were made without fletching. They were said to fly farther and faster. I think the key to stability is a heavy arrowhead. You can search 'Bikaneer Arrows' for examples.
Sikh warriors too used arrows without fletching.
Thanks for the suggestion ^^
Lindo trabalho + música boa= parabéns!!!!
Obrigado ^^
I swear our ancestors must have been related because that's the same way I tie .. oh yeah we're all related!! Every single one of us....
Adam!
I wrap the nocks below the groove, to keep them from splitting
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
I hate to be the one saying it, but you are just releasing very nicely thats why the arrow is going straight. What plays the biggest role in stabilizing the arrow is the HEIGHT of the feather and what you have here is literally negative height. I would assume its actually doing close to nothing to stabilize the arrow. The video is still great in showing how nicely you make the arrows. Great craftsmanship!
It's a big project to have complete test results
@@woodenren It's possible an arrow with a thin point tapering wider to the knock will give height to offer some stability! Having the carved wind less tight together and over the whole arrow could be an interesting test.
The idea of this arrow is very interesting. The craftsmanship certainly is great and this video is very enjoyable to watch.
thank you you have shown me somethings that I have wanted to know for a long time
You're welcome ^^
Sir you missed the chicken twice.
Great craftsmanship though.
Hehe, they lay eggs for me, I can't treat them badly
@@woodenren I was playing around, you've done wonderful craftsmanship I can't wait to see your improvements the next time you make another arrow.
I know this doesn't really help you judge if they are spinning , but tweaking the length and the spine (stiffness) of the arrow can also affect the performance, those ones are coming off kind of sideways to begin with so even if they are spinning it doesn't do you much good as they are in this build.
Looking at the ones in this video they are coming off the bow tailing to the right, so I'd say the arrows are not stiff enough.
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
Стрелу можно покрасить контрастными полосками и тогда будет видно вращение. Но это вращение, в любом случае, не может быть достаточно быстрым для хорошей стабилизации стрелы.
台灣原住民有15族 箭都沒有羽毛，唯獨鄒族有，不知道是否跟古代長期戰亂缺乏羽毛有關?
調查文獻是這樣沒錯。以前弓的使用率很高，狩獵、戰爭全都要用到。
It appears they may be causing some drag, but not enough to replace fletching.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👌very nice brother
thanks for watching
Hello, how are you? Greetings from Colombia. I really like your videos and the making of your bows. I really like bows and arrows.
Hi thanks I also like bow making and archery
Me gusta mucho los arcos y las flechas
Good form !
thanks for watching
Time to make arrow: 24hrs
Time to break: 0.0000000000000001 seconds
thanks for watching
你好亲爱的朋友，很棒的视频
As i was a olympic recurve archer, i used one blank arrow and shot this one on a distance of 70 Meters into the Group of the other arrows with feathers. That is a usual test for finding the right arrow
Don't really understand, but you're a sharpshooter.
Can you link to some historical sources about this? Thanks.
I did not know arrows could be stabilized without the use of feathers. Excellent craftmanship and clever, creative use of objects as ad hoc tools. Fascinating to watch.
thanks for watching
i suggest, go on a field and do a ~45deg long shot, the you should learn more about the stabilizing character of your method.
Thanks for your suggestion ^^
I have never seen this technique before. I may have to try it for myself
Looking forward to your work
To test you need comparisons, one with an arrow that has real feathers and one that has nothing. Then you have all 4 possibilities.
Next you need to make bright color markings on the arrow, as suggested below, that will allow you to see the movement around its axis. Finally you need a high speed camera to capture things. Succes!
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
This arrow is appropriate for hunter ducks, because he's deflecting in the water!
Thanks for the suggestion ^^
Wow! Thats cool! Im going to make a set.
I tune my arrows to the bow I'm using. Why not "bare shaft" tune the arrow 1st, THEN cut the "wind fletching"?
The arrow would already want to fly straight; the wind fletching makes up for small inconsistencies in your draw, release, fallowthrough, etc.
Looking forward ^^
Tie a thread to the tip and see how it rotates around the shaft.
thanks for the suggestion
Muito legal brother, obrigado pela aula⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Get some narrow ribbon, not plastic, and put it on a stationary reel, on a sealed bearing if possible to reduce drag, attack one end of ribbon to end of arrow and shoot. If the ribbon is horizontal from spool to arrow, when you shoot it ribbon will twist. Then you can measure the distance, count the twists in the ribbon, and try again at another distance. This info can be used to find the average amount of turns for various distances.
If you want to test arrow spin: walk back tune. It’s a diagnostic technique. Shoot arrow at .5 metres or 2’. Walk back to 2m, shoot. Walk back to 5m, shoot. All back to 10m, shoot. Examine arrow in target, study the spin.
I found out my arrows spin left (right handed bow, Win & Win Olympic recurve bow)
This is a good way to thank you for your suggestion ^^
@@woodenren there are slow motion videos showing arrows left spin with bare shaft, using right handed bows. I fletch my arrows left spin
You can probably get away with not using feathers (fletching) on arrows at all, usually. There are bows and arrows that don't use them and javelins and atlatls don't have them either. The problem with not having fletching is seen in the way the arrow loses alignment and starts going sideways occasionally. At longer distances this will be more pronounced. The job of the feathers is to provide drag. By having something there in the rear resisting the flight forward, the arrow stays aligned. I don't believe grooves will have much aerodynamic effect, though I am impressed with the craftmanship. That's some meticulous detail there.
If you were to glue veins / fletching / feathers along those spiral grooves then you should be able to get it to spin if the distance is long enough. The distance of shooting here is quite short and you might not be able to capture spinning motion.
The feathers don't have to be straight like missile fins. It can just be a wad of paper hanging off the end, really. Whatever causes a little symmetrical drag to keep the arrow straight. Simpler IS better, but you need some air resistance, ie, something lightweight sticking out from the profile of the arrow shaft in the back, rather than a groove that the air will mostly pass right over.
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
Muy interesante flecha, pero al parecer tiende a torcerse en la distancia que usas, quizás sean buenas para cortas distancias.
Gracias por la sugerencia
@@woodenren O necesita más peso en la punta para largas distancias.
無尾箭! 原來這種作法也有效， 厲害!
蠻有趣的
Bahut achha laga
Finishing bahut achha hai
Whow, complimenti per te 👍👍👍👋
Grazie
Perhaps it would be helpful, to add grooves to the front of the arrow shaft, to stabilize, and prevent the tip from wandering.
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
Great job as always and good music in the video ☺️
Thank you for your compliment, so glad you like it.
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Muy bueno,gracias
Gracias
@@woodenren a ti ,por compartir
Te recomiendo alivianar la flecha para disminuir la inercia y facilitar el movimiento. Tanto como puedas sin que flexione por la potencia del arco.
Calcula la velocidad y las vueltas que dara en ese recorrido. Luego imagina una rosca en el aire. Son muchas menos vueltas. Seguramente menos de un giro en el largo de la flecha.
Tal vez un leve arrastre en el nock o culatin ayude tambien a que no se incline.
Felicitaciones por el trabajo. Muchas gracias por compartirlo.
Gracias por tu sugerencia ^^
Nice, but they need feathers.
He is a featherless ^^
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very nice!
thanks for watching
Video incrível 🤘🏻🤘🏻
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천만에요
@@woodenren 저도 활 만드는걸 배우고 싶어요
Sehr gut und danke für das schöne Video 👍
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謝謝！
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Does the wind arrow work?.does it spin inflight.?
Frankly spin or not...does it fly straight.hold target.
Test " accuracy " normally fletched/ wind arrow/ completely in fletched...that will answer the initial question.. Frankly if effective ..modern arrows " compound bow carbon fibre types...would like the lower drag style this offers
Need a more professional test, I just want to try and give you ideas ^^
Awesome work.
Thank you, nice to meet you.
Try Khatra Release.less arrow paradox & more speed .Arabian Military technique
Thanks for the suggestion
Ingenious
thanks for watching
Only distance will be the judge to see if the spiral arrow will fly as true as a feathered arrow. See the longest a feathered arrow can fly true and test a spiral arrow for the same distance.
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
@@woodenren "I will give it a try." any development
화살깃은 회전이 아닌 비행의 궤도를 잡기 위한 것 입니다. 살짝 내용에 오류가 있어 보입니다.
감사해요
Very cool!!!
Thank you.
:)
Thank you, nice to meet you.
잘보고 갑니다.
^^
Very interesting video, I noticed you had a chicken in one part, and wondered if chicken feathers would be suitable for your arrows?
I liked the tools you made and used to help build the arrows, very inventive. I’ll be looking at making some of these myself.
Thanks again for the video.
Of course chicken feathers can be used, but the effect is not good >o
@@woodenren if using feathers, what feathers would you recommend?
Adding a tiny amount of fast drying liquid super glue to the string strengthens it and makes it last much longer
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
Ypur skill is great but without knowledge there is a vaste of time.
This will never stabilaze arrow like feather one. This will only add drag to the flight becose there is no enough surface to bring arrow back in line as soon as posible. If you ask me this is only addig drag. Just look at the last arrow in flight you post.
That is the bad dynamic spine arrow which can not straight its self in flight.
Thank goodness, it's really not as good as an arrow with feathers, he can only be compared to an arrow without feathers and no air ducts. Even better with tape feathers. But it's fun.
Maybe try thumbdrawwith khatra to see if the non helix one stabilizes.
The helix one have too much of a spin , try with grooves but that just slightly unparalleled to the arrow itself, maybe 5° of an angle only
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
excellent...really excellent!
Thank you for your compliment, so glad you like it.
Genial, buen trabajo. ✌
Gracias
you already tried to film with a high-speed camera to analyze the movements of the arrow ???
I don't have such a good camera, I will try it with an iPhone
To test for rotation, paint strips down the length of the arrow and film it.
Thanks for your suggestion, I will give it a try.
How to tell if the arrow is spiraling? Use various color sumi inks on different sides. Paint one side blue the other side red or something similar. With a high speed camera if the arrow is spinning it should alternate red and blue in flight.
Might be best prior to waxing the wood. The use of water colorings in wood working is common among the west with aniline dyes being common.
Thanks for the suggestion, I will try it ^^
як на мене то ти друже сильно заморочився і при тому не доцільно. я зробив таку стрілу з ясеня після перегляду твого відео по перше це шафт з наконечником а не стріла по друге отвір біля хвостовика вбиває міцність стріли по третє щоб стріла крутилася достатньо оперення гвинтом а ті канавки на стрілі до сраки. зробив 1 постріл з 50 фунтового лука такою стрілою і її розірвало. Але відео мені сподобалося ти великий молодець однозначно лайк і підписка)))
My biggest question is why was there a feather shortage? Like there are so many birds... were they over hunted? Were people just incapable of hunting them? What was the problem with getting feathers?
This was invented in the Song Dynasty (960-1279 AD) of China. There were no modern feathers and tapes in ancient times. In the case of long-term wars, the lack of feathers is normal.
It looks that this wind feather doesn't work. Cause from the testing shots, we can see the arrow shafts waved lot after hitting the target, which won't happen when real feathers are attached. This lot of vibration and waving of the shaft could lead to lose of energy during the flight, and very easily breaking of the arrow, I know this cause this happened a lot to my arrows without of feathers (edit: bare shaft tests).
Thank you for your feedback, there is still a lot of room for improvement
@@woodenren Thank you for your time and effort invested, and showing us your experiment! :)
Can you show more on the planning jig?
Bạn cho tôi hỏi, mũi tên bạn làm bằng gỗ gì vậy, cảm ơn rất nhiều.
Secondo me hai le punte troppo leggere.per vedere se girano segnati con un pennarello i. Finale della freccia cosi poi vedi quando arriva dov e il segno.
If you cut the groove for which the string goes into the arrow at a twisted angle, then when you release the arrow, the string will spin it as it releases it. You can only really know with a slow motion camera... but if you shoot at an arch and the arrow goes up straight and comes down straight also (every shot), then there is almost no doubt that the arrow is spinning and is stabilized. You can also tape something visible on the arrow that stands out (like something bright or bright paint on one side)... then if you see that bright spot moving it will show if it's spinning or not.
Glad to see your suggestion, I am trying to see it ^^
@@woodenren Thank you. I should have mentioned that the groove should be cut like a spiral, so when fired the string don't come out perfectly straight, but the arrow twists slightly as one edge of the groove on each side engages or rubs against the string (either clockwise or counter-clockwise).
I guess you could say... Imagine the string was a cutting tool... so instead of pushing the string straight into the arrow the cut the groove, you spin the arrow along its axis as the string would cut the groove. Sorry if my descriptions are bad.