Twin Birth Story From Erik's Perspective - RELAX #44
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Since the last episode the twins have arrived in dramatic fashion. Today Colleen asks Erik for his point of view during the magical and chaotic event.
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colleen literally won the jackpot with erik. he set a very high standard for my future husband
Could not agree more😂❤
I third this motion
Same!
I second that
I think abt this so much, i wont marry anyone if they are not like erik
i found out i had cancer around the same time colleen found out she was pregnant, and i remember telling myself "well i'll be fine by christmas" because that was the only way i felt like i could cope. sometimes that works out (i'm in remission! and found out the day colleen released the birth video!) but along the way there were hurdles and every time it felt like treatment would go longer, i crumbled. it's so so difficult. i definitely understand our brains need to believe in something bearable.
So glad you’re here, friend💕🥰
I'm so proud of you!
Congrats on being in remission!!!
Love u, keep being strong ❤
Awww thank you everyone! I’m glad to be here 🥰
Maisy is a popular name in Scotland! There’s a book series called “Maisie comes to Morningside” and it’s about kittens in Edinburgh! It might be a cute book to read to the twins💕
If anyone can find it maybe they can send it to her P.O. box :)
@Angelina L 👇💋 what’s wrong with u 😂
@Angelina L 👇💋 get outta here.
so sweet! she loves cats so imagine that… awesome :)
Yesss! I grew up on that series, I’d love to see Colleen read it with the twins 🥺 Especially as Edinburgh is so special to Colleen with her performing in the fringe
i can just feel how hard it was for erik through the screen. he was holding back bursting into tears. hugs to both of you
You can see on his face that he also has a lot of healing to do, after going through that trauma. I hope they both get the help they need to move past the trauma once the babies are home safe and sound.
❤️
Both of them
can we please thank Erik, although his life is quite private, he always helps to shoot for Colleen even in the most personal moments and capable to openly share such serious and traumatic topics for a large amount of people!
seriously!! thank you for sharing, eric! :)
“The wizard of c-section curtain” omg. Erik is such a good story teller
2:56 "He was literally like, like, trying to like, 'The Shining', "Here's Johnny", get outta there. And he did."
I’m crying of laughter how good was that line
I can tell Erik had the worst moments of his life that day. He was split into 3 parts and had to choose. So so happy that everyone is “okay” now. Erik was a rockstar for Colleen. I’m so glad she has him.
Ask for an itemized receipt for your NICU stay/hospital bills. They may charge you $60 for a freaking band aid. It’s ridiculous. Get the itemized receipt, call the hospital, and be like “uhh okay.. so I understand that I have to pay this, but I think it’s ridiculous that (item) costs so much. Is there any way that this bill could be lowered so I can pay it all?” And they’ll likely come back with a more reasonable price. Also, if the bills are like $10k and you could pay them like $7k up front, offer them that and they may just take it for the full amount. There’s ways to negotiate these hospital bills at least a little. I hope this helps someone
With Erik and Colleen’s conflict avoidance, I think they need to get Rachel to call for them 😅
Honestly reading this stuff makes me feel sick, my heart really goes out to everyone who's in the states and has to PAY to BRING HUMANS INTO THE WORLD and make sure they BREATHE!
@@poplillyp yeah I can not imagine going through the stress of having one baby in the NICU, let alone two, and also having to negotiate with the hospital about ridiculous bills. I'm sorry but the USA is messed up
@@poplillyp The USA's health care system is horrifying.
We dont pay for hosptials in canada
timestamps:
0:00 intro
1:07 who needs to relax?
10:07 today tix sponsor
12:40 birth stuff from Eriks perspective
27:57 hello fresh sponsor
30:34 more birth stuff
42:43 canva sponsor
45:43 birth, nicu, hospital, babies
56:47 indeed sponsor
59:35 chaos and babies
1:11:48 bye bye
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It's great to hear Erik's experience. Far too often we don't hear the father's side. It must be tough to just walk in, at the last minute, and go into support mode. You are both an amazing couple.
When Eric said “there going to have the most common names in high school other kids are going to be named spaceship” I started dying😭
Do you know the time stamp :)
@@sumayyaha4115 56:13
Maisy is the name of the little sister in the movie , Uncle Buck.
The inside/ the soul of Erik seems so beautiful. Like his emotions and everything.... A good human being !!!!
So genuine. Both of them 🖤
I was born 8 weeks early and graduated from the nicu and went home after 4 weeks. Sending positive vibes they grow quickly and can come home soon!💕
You guys were talking about how they encourage you to read, sing, talk to the babies. You should have Flynn record a song or your families reading a story! So they can get to know everyone!😊
This is a great idea
This is a wonderful idea. They will know his voice from her being pregnant too so it would be really cool to record him talking to them or reading stories, talking about trucks and bugs, truck of the day 🖤🖤
Oh i hope they see this one!!!
Great idea!!!!
This is SUCH a cute idea, bump y’all!!!
I love the picture that is between and behind them: Miranda and Patrick.
Me too. When they almost kissed!
Erik's narration for baby girl's birth story left me SOBBING. I'm so so glad both babies and momma are doing well❤ hope she can bring em home soon
😂😂 Not even three minutes in and already Erik's pun game's strong and Colleen teaches us you're never too young to relax.
Also the fact that the joke of "here's Johnny" went right over Colleen's head because she's not a movie buff like he is. Hahaha!
I just snorted😂
The fact that they’re having to pay for potentially the most traumatic time in your life is heartbreaking. I’m from England and it never crossed my mind before!
I give Eric so much credit for not crying while telling his perspective. I cried for him and the both of you. So glad your beautiful twins are doing well 💖 you're all rockstars!
Ur mom
Im glad I'm not the only one. His perspective made me emotional for sure! I had a csection in March and I can relate to a lot of their story. I also had twins 6 years ago, also an emergency csection and it was so scary. Hearing him describe everything had me in tears 😢😭🥺🥺
53:04 he gets choked up.
I so wanted to give Erik a hug, he looked so like a lost child.
remember he's married
And my age I could be his grandmother
@@erinmalloy9297 Why on earth would wanting to console someone in any way mean you're trying to steal them from their partner?
@@erinmalloy9297 lmao yes Erik is going to leave his wife whom he so desperately loves and his three kids for this lovely Susan Miller on the internet 💀
"Lost child" is not romantic or sexual in any way, good stranger
We went thru this, 23 years ago next month, with my oldest. Dylan was not breathing at birth. He is now taller than me and even though it’s been literally more than two decades, I still teared up listening to Erik. Hear my heart in this when I tell you that you may have a really rough go getting over this stuff. From the speed of the entire situation and the fear of the unknown, and the visuals Erik was exposed to - just please be gentle with yourselves and watch for signs of PTSD. This is big, difficult stuff to process. Keep talking to each other. My Daren is so much like Erik and we are still together & going strong. Sending so much love to you both. 🥰
Erik was so incredibly endearing in this episode. Being vulnerable and talking about his experience in an open way was heart-warming.
I honestly feel honored that Erik stepped out of his comfort zone to open up on the internet. He’s really a gift. You picked a good one Colleen.
You guys are serious relationship goals. Seriously. Both of you rock, and it’s clear how well you vibe together!
As someone who has never had to think about the cost of medical procedures… I can’t even imagine the stress about that. I gave birth to my daughter, we stayed in the hospital for two days and walked out. No thoughts about the hospital stay again. America needs to sort their shit out.
They really need to! I’m from South Africa, had to stay a month in the hospital and I was so scared about leaving my baby everyday. There was actually a dedicated area with beds, a small living room and bathrooms for all nicu moms so you wouldn’t have to leave your baby. Got to share some amazing experiences “living” with people going through the same thing as I was. Walked out 4 weeks later with only a R150 bill(equivalent to 9 US dollars)
A very Canadian experience and I wish that was the case for all of you. I'm sad that you have to be thinking about costs, debt and money while caring for your beautiful babies. Love from Kim in Canada 🇨🇦
it's so grest to hear Erik's side of the story and hear about his feelings. you can really see how much they both appricciate each other its wonderful
This is a wonderful way to time capsule the babies birth story! Having their mommy and daddy tell it .. wow!! Thank you for sharing such a Raw and vulnerable story with us. I feel so honored to be able to hear such a private personal story in your life.. love you guys! 💕💕
@Grace Cochran the entire video they tell their birth stories of the twins. 😉
This was the best 'Relax' podcast yet. It has a more serious and emotional tone which I think suits it incredibly well. I hope they discuss more serious and emotional material in the future. I just loved this!
Agreed💕💕
I liked this one the best to
it is just mindblowing to me, a European, that in the US people have to pay for their medical expenses and there is not a general insurance system in place. The US is really horrible in that respect
Actually only the middle class/upper middle class get shafted. Poor ppl can get health insurance for free.
@@ratchschleuczynski9821 if you aren't poor enough though you don't qualify which is ridiculous if you can't pay it
When it comes to the hospital bill, make sure you ask for an itemized bill. I once got charged $70 for a travel size of baby powder and $120 for a crappy hospital toothbrush. After calling and asking about these erroneous charges, my bill went down by $3,000. A lot of hospitals do this. They will sneak charges in for small items hoping you don't notice it, or have the sense to ask for an itemized bill. Also, they gave Erik juice because he was pale and they were trying to prevent him from fainting. The nurses are amazing, and know to keep an eye on the dad...my first husband got the juice while I was pushing, and then he got shoved into a chair immediately afterwards because his knees were starting to give out. They don't want dad to face plant on the floor and get a head Injury. And they know most men won't say a word about not feeling right because they want the focus to be on their significant other in those moments, so the nurses are always monitoring dad when he doesn't even know it.
On the statistic Erik said that on average someone in LA pays 5000$ in parking tickets. I think Rachel talked about this recently. How rich people don't see parking tickets as a punishment, but as another parking fee. So maybe the rich and famous in LA makes the average so high since they don't care about the tickets.
I literally had this conversation with someone I worked for. She parked and I said oh I don't think we can park here and she said yes we can it's £60. Crazy!
@@nellafoots2251 Wild!
So glad Erik got to tell his story. We often forget how traumatizing this is for rent partners too. They feel helpless when all alone and their partner and baby are whisked away for an emergency c section, sitting with the uncertainty and anxiety.
The way you described the NICU is so on point. The best place that you absolutely hate.
Coming back to this podcast after the paternal postpartum depression (PPPD) debate generated by Colleen's last vlog. Hearing Erik's perspective about the birth is heartbreaking and it makes sense that he's only now starting to feel the symptoms of PPPD.
I know that he's usually more private about his feelings, but I would love for both of them to explain a little bit more (if they're comfortable) about the Postpartum depression they BOTH are going through.
Love how Erik said "your people on the internet" to Colleen. Oh yes, we are her people and she is ours🖤
As a Canadian I cannot wrap my head around the idea of having to PAY for babies staying in the NICU
me too!! or even having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to have a baby… i
@@mads5522 i recognize this is such a warped mentality but as an american, so many people think why should i have to pay for other people to have babies? it was your choice to have a baby, you should pay for it.
plus there are some people who abuse welfare systems that help poor people [thought definitely not as many as people think], so people think those systems would be abused and people would have babies and procedures left and right because it's paid for
which is dumb
but I am curious--
1. do people abuse these systems that you guys have and how often does it happen?
2. do people who are very healthy versus not healthy have to pay the same amount to the government if these people's salaries are the same?
@@zarahshabs7936 I definitely can understand how some people might feel that way. I feel that way sometimes too, especially for situations that can be preventable. I have never experienced Health Care that is as privatized as it is in the US, I think that's why Canadians struggle to understand American's view on this issue since free public health care is our normal. Personally, I have never had an issue with my tax money funding the public Health Care system (although it is far from perfect). Every person in Canada is entitled to equal access to health care under our Health Care Act. I haven't made much use of our health care system but I am extremely grateful for it to ensure our people are taken care of.
@@zarahshabs7936 To answer your questions
1. It is difficult to abuse the health care system because everyone has "equal" access (by law, I can't actually say this is true) to health care. Some people might take it for granted, meaning they take more risks which can lead to needing medical care.
2. In Canada you are taxed depending on your income, so yes their tax money would be funding our public health care system the same. Which most people are fine with here.
I am curious about your views on public vs private health care :)
Hope that answers your question
@@zarahshabs7936 i live in Denmark, which have full health Care, School and everything like that. I remember thinking like that then I had to pay my first tax. But studies shows that over all most people are richer, happier and healthier because that. Plus most people(not like 60% but more like 90%+) will pay less in taxes, than they would pay for school, medical bills and so on if we had a system like USA😊 so it is actually cheaper😉 we help each other getting better, because we want the best for everyone. And that it is not allways your fault you end up in bad situations.
Right now I am going to college, and I not only going there for free, but I’m getting payed to. So I almost can live without using my saving. That makes it easier to give attention to school and not working 10-20 hours a week. 😉
It must've been so hard for Erik to share his side of the story, it must be so scary reliving all that experience.. I'm sure it can help other dads who didn't get to share their experience, we don't hear their side often enough I feel! Hopefully he gets to be more comfortable sharing more in a few months when everyone is home and life is going as it should!
I was born 3 months early at 2 lbs 7 ounces and was in the NICU for 2 months. I’m almost 23 now, thankfully totally healthy, and so so SO incredibly thankful for those amazing doctors that saved my life!!! Sending love ❤️❤️
Wesley breaking the water a month early is going to be a running joke for the rest of his life and I love it
Edit: I realize I said a month early and not 2 months but in my defense it was 2am and I was half asleep when I made this comment
Haha yeah! If he's ever impatient he will hear of it! 😂
8 weeks early
2 months early lol
I totally agree
Erik and Colleen’s synchronized “Oh.” at the end was everything I needed
I KNOW RIGHT 1:11:15
Yes, all of the security guards, nurses, and doctors at the hospital know you. But coming from a nurse assistant that works in labor and delivery, those same people are going to be ECSTATIC the day they get to see you walk out of that hospital! You and Erik are both doing great, and those babies are so lucky to have such wonderful parents.
I can only imagine! I've never done work like that but I can only imagine the joy of seeing the same people who have been going in and out finally being able to leave with their babies!
Erik's rant about the chairs and the food had me dying. He's such a great storyteller, and great at breaking up the tension as well. Great episode everyone 👏
Listening to Erik's in-depth description of the birth story and getting to the part about Maisy, I realized that I had started crying. I know Maisy is doing well, I know that these people don't even know who I am, yet I just cried out of empathy and caring for that little baby and their precious family.
💕Brandi
Huge shout out and thanks to Erik for sharing his perspective of the story. I feel like we don’t often hear stories like this from the father and hearing the emotion in his voice and how much it clearly impacted him really touched me.
Mom's go through so much with birth and no one really checks on dad. Erik has really put into perspective that dad can have birth trauma, dads really go through it as well. You can see in his face he was torn between 3 of the most important people and didn't know where to be. Thank you so much for sharing
The NICU should have a live feed camera so you can check in when you're at home ♥️
I am a hopelessly romantic , and this kind of relationship and Erik being incredible just make me feel so wholesome and happy . I want this.❤️
I love how Erik always calls colleen "Love" it is so sweet.
Erik is such an incredible dad, you can tell how much he loves is family. Yall are literally the parents I wish I had growing up lol.
I'm so sorry you both had such a traumatizing experience. I hope you heal from that knowing your babies will be okay. Those babies are so tough 💪
As a nicu mom to a 26 weeker, I appreciated this episode so much. Thank you for being honest and vulnerable. You are making an immense difference for everyone watching. Keep going, you’ll get to grad day before you know it!!!
I love watching Colleen’s vlogs, main channel videos, hearing her talk on the podcast etc. But WOW the way Erik told that story made me emotional. When he tunneled vision to you, to be there next to your face I- ugh 🥺🥲 love you both. You’re doing so great!! I know these days are so difficult but wow you guys are so resilient. Especially you Colleen!! Whether you believe it or not. We all see how strong you are ❤️
‘Three grown men…heroes’ oh Erik I started sobbing
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This is the most I've seen Erik show emotion & it's absolutely beautiful
You can tell he loves the hell out of Colleen. It honestly almost brings me to tears. Seeing him describe his experience with the C-section & everything is just mind blowing. I hope they last forever & their family is blessed with all the happiness in the world❤🙏🏾
As a European it blows my mind to see you speaking about how much the NICU costs. I would never think I’d have to walk in a hospital and pay for it.
As an english person the fact you have to pay for healthcare is crazy. Congratulations to both of you awesome humans 🙌
Turkish here and it’s crazy that a government is putting people i debt for giving literal birth to a human.
As a Canadian, I feel the same way about them having to pay for healthcare. We do not have to in Canada.
For a few years if we didn’t have insurance we got a fine for not having it. And only some could get an exemption
@@KB-ys7po that’s crazy
Such a great day and time to put this out. Got sooo excited and am so thankful! Happy Thanksgiving!
Pediatric nurse here :) another reason why getting new babies to regulate their body temp is important is because if they get cold, their blood sugars can go down causing hypoglycemia. This is because the baby uses their glucose stores to help warm themselves up, causing glucose to decrease, thus the hypoglycemia. Praying for you both and the babies ❤
I love the chemistry in this Podcast. They're so cute together. 💞
So glad they're both here and all is well! We're all soo proud of you both💞💞 congratulations and thank you for your hard work!
I can’t imagine how emotional this was for you guys to share. Thank you for sharing
I’m so exited for the twins to come home also happy belated birthday Colleen!!!
I was doing my makeup while listening and had to stop when you described maizey being born. I’ve experienced an emergency c-section so I felt that so deeply.
After having my son via c-section I felt so incredibly grateful to my husband. I honestly don't know how some people do it alone. He was my rock the whole time. He helped me to the bathroom. He helped me get my disposable diapers on and off when I couldn't do it myself.
Traumatic experiences make your love for your partner grow and you get stronger as a couple and as people. Every hardship I've gone through with my husband has ended in us growing and becoming better together.
You and Erik have got this and each other. No matter how hard it is, or how many times you feel like you can't go on. You have each other and you will make it through with one another.
NICUs are hard. It's hard to have to scrub up to your elbows before you can touch your own child. It's hard to leave to go home to take care of yourself. It's hard. But you will find a way. And you will make it through this. One day at a time. One moment at a time if needed.
I love how you guys can share how you feel and still express your utmost respect for everyone else’s experiences 🤍🤍🤍
You feel so out of control and out of touch with reality, yet, in my head, you are the STRONGEST parents for going through everything they’ve been going through. You went through an extremely traumatic birth experience and yet the true, authentic smiles you share when you talk to each other melts my heart. You have each other, you have Flynn and an incredible family, who ALL believe in you and love you 🤍 The lil bugs will be home soon and things will feel safe, warm and comfortable in no time 🥺
Best podcast so far. Best anecdote telling ever. Blessings to y’all. Thanks for the company while I work.
Many people don’t realize that many emergency procedures happen in nicu’s and when your visiting babies and another baby has an emergency it’s scary and sad . Like chest tubes on a little tiny baby wow. Lots of praying for all those tiny humans trying to survive.
It’s safe to say the traumatic experience brought them closer and I totally relate to that as I had 3-csection. I appreciate you guys for being so open and sharing your beautiful life stories.
Erik’s emotions telling the story of Maisy’s birth story made me tear up so much
Not sure if the hospital your babies are in does this, but when my baby was in the NICU I was able to purchase a parking pass for the month. It saved so much money. My baby was in the NICU for 5 months, because she was born 4 months early at 22 weeks, With y’all visiting your babies everyday it is definitely something to look into to save a little bit of money 🙂 btw I’m so happy to hear the babies are doing good, I pray they get to come home sooner than expected, they are absolutely beautiful! Congratulations!! 💜💚 also Colleen, if you see this, look up Micro Preemie clothes and diapers since your babies are to small for preemie clothes.
Sobbed hearing Erik talk about the medical staff staying strong through the tough stuff! I worked in these exact situations and had to stay strong through countless scenarios just like this one, until I couldn’t be strong anymore. I was diagnosed with PTSD and it’s very freeing to hear that my emotions/pain is being validated by others!
I didn’t think you guys would record a podcast episode 😩 But I appreciate it so much. I wrote a law exam today and I think my brain melted.
Good luck!! I hope that the exam went well and that your scores are good!
High five🖑
Why do I fall more in love with Erik more and more every episode
Coleen you are amazing! I can’t imagine how stressful and scary that must have been not only for you and Erik but your family to! You are so amazing and your so brave to have been able to go through all that, The babies will be out of the NICU in no time, I wish you all the best for the future xxxx
this was an incredible episode. i was so emotional hearing erik’s perspective. You are both so amazing and im sending you so much love and strength 💗
I love hearing both of you talk about this. This was well done. (Former NICU mom here .)
My only complaint about this podcast is that whenever I hear that theme song, it literally gets stuck in my head for DAYS at a time and basically plays in a loop even while I’m sleeping. So thanks for that😂😂
And when you've finally gotten it out, it's been a week and the next episode is out, haha!
I WEEPED every time you guys found each other and held each other through the struggle and trauma. Thank you so much for sharing this really difficult story. I think we can see where your children get their strength. ❤
It’s so beautiful to see, from an outside perspective, the wonderful team you two are as partners and parents🧡
My mother is a labor and delivery nurse and she works the night shift on top of that and may I say you describe it perfectly
Erik telling the babies birth story. I was crying and I just couldn't hold back the tears. I love you guys ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ so much.
Erik is so funny!! "he broke the bag early... The shinning, here's Johny get out of there and he did" 😂😂😂
I just have to say …I really love you guys ! …you are everything parents and partners for life should ever be …and thanks for doing the podcast ..it’s a crazy time for you both right now …and the fact that you still find time to do this is just amazing …but so appreciated ! It’s my “early night “ weekly treat …I get in bed ..leave my hubby watching his ‘car stuff ‘ on tv ..and just have an hour ( or so ) catching up with you guys …it really is my ‘Relax’ time …so thank you ! Because I know just how far from relaxing things are for your family right now 💗💗💗
I will say, my mom has been a NICU/PICU nurse for over 30 yrs and those nurses love so much how involved the two of you are with your babies 💜💙
Colleen 🥺🥺🥺🥺 never had a child, but your anxieties are literallllyyy how I feel, and it’s influencers like you, who keep it raw, that remind me that we ARE strong enough for whatever the world throws at us no matter how scared our mind makes us. AND THE WAY YOU PARENT FLYNN MY HEART IS WHOLE, coming from harder toned parents, I promise I AM TAKING NOTES🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have a strong feeling that everyone should watch you 🤩! This is the most hilarious thing I've ever watched. How genuine you are, how funny , how chill. Its just so fun to be around you guys and hear this podcast ☺️☺️
With modern technology, they should make a way for parents to digitally see their babies in their beds at the NICU.
My NICU has this! There is a camera we give parents the password to and they can watch their baby from home!
i love how while talking about little maisy erik is looking at you taking care of you and also in a way keeping the both of you together as its really hard to tell the story and we can clearly tell, you two are the strongest parents, you are rocking it!! wishing the little twins the best, keeping them always in my thoughts
Erik, thank you so much for sharing. We all know you prefer to be more reserved and private so we really appreciate you giving us your insight on your experience.
Oh, my heart. Literally bawling during this because my emergency csection was so similar. They are incredibly common but traumatizing.
I love how comfortable Erik has gotten. i know how hard being a private person and sharing such thing can be, thank you Erik. Colleen you are such a wonderful human being and i look up to so much. Thank you guys so much for being so vulnerable and letting us in on such a scary and sensitive time you guys are going through. Sendin yall all the positivity i possibly can and i wish yall nothing but luck and happiness
This was probably my favorite so far!! Love you guys! Thank you for sharing your lives with us. 💜
Aww Erik anytime you want to chat just pick up that camera!! We would all sit and listen just the same as we do Colleen❤
“you’re gonna make me cry”
“I’M CRYIN’!”
i laughed out loud you two are the cutest sweetest loves
I watch your vlogs religiously, but never seen the podcast before. I had to hear erik’s side of the story. I will say it was really lovely to see you two chuckling about how crazy and scary it was looking back. Obviously it was insane trauma and that doesn’t go away, but the small silly chuckles were super sweet. So glad you have each other. Erik is amazing.
this is so insane how they kind of remember each others states more. erik "you were just staring at the wall", colleen "yeah they said you were about to faint" true love these two
Erik is such a sensitive soul, you could totally tell. He so sweet and he so in love with Colleen. ❤️❤️❤️❤️love you guys!
I know it was hard but thank you so much for talking about this. I think it will help a lot of new dads be prepared in the future and be better support for their partner ❤️
I loved this episode!!! It was great to hear Erik’s perspective on everything! Thanks for sharing 💙💜
You guys definitely complement each other so well. Thanks Erik for your perspective. It must be so frightening for guys to be that support and to make us feel at ease when it’s such a foreign situation for anyone. I remember just thinking omg I’m awake for something you should not be awake for. My husband then was so disappointed as he got dressed up especially for the occasion and had to wear scrubs. He was so far out of his comfort zone and like you totally terrified. Yet somehow you draw this inner strength to just get by. So happy there doing so well. Loads of love guys Leisa Western Australia xx