Hellenistic Judaism (332-167 BCE)
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- When Alexander the Great conquered Judea, he offered the Jewish people the same freedoms that the Persians had given. But he also exposed Judea to Greek culture.
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The Book of Tobit sounds like an RPG game. Move Tobit to the river. A fish suddenly appears and tries to swallow his feet. Ask Tobit to catch the fish. A status box appears which says Tobit has now acquired the fish's gall bladder, heart, and liver. Tobit has to figure out when is the appropriate time to use these newly acquired items in his adventure so this game doesn't become over.
"...everybody ended-up with at least some yoghurt in their hummus"
High-LARIOUS
You are consistently educational, and often very funny.
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"Everyone found some yogurt in their hummus." Oh jeez, what a turn of phrase. Bravo.
What that means?
@@sophiawilson8696greek culture found it's way to Jewish life
I’ve watched a few of your videos now which are incredibly interesting. Can you list your sources?
Zionist don’t need sources
"I made it up"
His sources are sound, his interpretation however is very very minimalist. The problem when presenting a minimalist view to a larger secular world is that it is grossly interpretive, there are just as many credible Academics in both the Archaeological and Historical fields of study who would soundly disagree with the minimalist interpretations of the commentator. More Importantly, this is NOT the larger Jewish view, and unfortunately, because the Commentator is Jewish, it can be misconstrued as such. It would be very elucidating for the Commentator to address this, and to clarify that his approach does not represent "Gospel Truth" but rather a specific academic approach, and perhaps present a more conservative interpretation along with his own personal view. For the non Jew I will say, that as a somewhat secular Jew myself, I personally do not hold to the interpretations of the Commentator, nor do I believe they represent the majority of our Tribe. With that said, his content is very entertaining, and I accept his views as such: Educating Entertainment.
@@joshuadorin3973 Are you familiar with the creator's sources? I'd love to read them if you know to which they're referring when you say "his sources are sound". Thank you!
This secular Gentile says that he is learning a great deal from your videos. Thank you much!
Binge watching while i work!!! Thank you for such a great delivery!
I just found your channel through a recommendation from Al Muqaddimah.
Great channel...literally going through these on the playlist!
2:48 I'm a little surprised to see Job apparently added so late into biblical canon from greek influence. Every other google search about it indicates its one of the oldest books written in the bible, or at least one of the oldest oral traditions.
I'm fairly certain that one of if not the oldest was Ruth.
@@michaelweiske702 Ruth is interesting but generally dated to the Persian period of 6th to 4th centuries BCE because so much of its story surrounds the controversy of intermarrying foreigners, which was a social issue at the time. The traditional authorship is Samuel in the 11th century BC, so you may be thinking of that
Persian cooking (tandoor ovens, naan style flatbreads, pilaf...) and waterworks (underground aqueducts) seem to have spread into Central Asia (saw many examples in Chinese Turkestan aka Xinjiang), though likely that was intentional borrowing by those peoples, who likely found it useful (&/or delicious on the topic of cuisine) in the similar climates, rather than an imposition by the ruling culture from Pars. Also, before the Turkic expansion, nearly all of that area was either inhabited or at least along the trade networks of ethnicities speaking Iranian languages (like Scythian / Saka or Sogdian). (Prior to the Tang-funded Yennisey Kyrghyz destruction of the Uyghur Khaganate and its resultant flood of refugees, the Tarim Basin seems to have had Serindian and Iranic traces, but to have been mostly western Indo-European, "Tocharian.". However there is definitely evidence of trade and written discourse with Iranic cultures further east.)
What's the name of the musical pieces in these videos? They are so good :D The Yiddishkeit is through the roof with the clarinet
Waltz No. 2; Dimitri Shostakovich
These are wonderful!
Really interesting video
Hi man I just started to watch your videos, and as a Jew I learn a lot of new staff. But are you having source for all of the things because you say a lot of things that I thought difference and that in the internet I find the opposite things (that happens a lot because of religion propaganda on Israel)
4:02 love the Historia Civilis reference!
Thank you so much for this insight
What's your source(s) for claiming Purim comes from Nowruz? My own research hasn't shown any clear, linear connection.
@@thepablorz Thank you very much for that information. It is very insightful, but there seems to be a lot of supposition.
I have also heard that Mordecai And Esther are Marduk and Ishtar. I
Came here to say that. There is surprisingly little known about the origin of the Book of Esther and the holiday of Purim. Very few facts/theories are agreed upon
@@thepablorz so fascinating - if you're able to point to sources where you've enumerated above, I'd LOVE to read them! :)
Before the Greeks how scholarly were the Jewish people ? It seems the intellectual tradition of the Jews was also influenced by the Sumerians ?
The Babylonians technically, but you’re right it’s clear that a lot of the scribal roles of Babylon influenced the Israelites, who otherwise appeared to be chieftains back in the Levant. I think you’re on to something about Hellenism influencing the intellectual traditions, it seems like you get a lot more questioning of priestly authority during and due to the Hellenistic period.
Recent descoveries show that reading was actually very popular even before the babylonian war
I just know that the Greeks influenced them A LOT.....like they did most regions they went to
2:49- Just want to make a correction,
under "proverbs" it is written "malachi" in hebrew
and under "the song of songs" it's written "job".
it doesn't matter to what you are saying, just wanted to point out
Hegemon of Greece 🇬🇷
I love you *as a informant.. thanks
It's always so funny seeing the evangelical christians mad in every comment section
Wonderful video. Interesting thought though, perhaps metaphysics and ontology existed within the Jewish tradition vis-à-vis the tradition temple (coincidentally the imagery used in the Song of Songs, Sirach, etc… hence Christianity)
Why do you claim the Greek-Hebrew exchange of god(desse)s? All the ones you mentioned are more associated with Egyptian, Canaanite, and Phoenician cultures.
Eh, with linked Semitic peoples he should have said.
The Greeks influenced the Jews in many other ways though, not through Religion..
Some of this is opinion I assume?
2:49 Typo. You wrote איוב instead of שיר השירים
great job
why?!
@@kiwicoswhynot1270 Cos why not?
I'm curious, why did you say the Philistines were extinct? I thought the consensus was for the most part they were absorbed into the wider Canaanite identity?
They absorbed by Babylonians during Jews captivity.
"Some yogurt in the hummus." HILARIOUS!
Some mistakes @3:31
1) When numbered like that, 1st Esdras is Ezra and 2nd Esdras is Nehemiah. 3rd Esdras is what the 1611 KJV titles First Esdras, but in the Slavic tradition it is called 2nd Esdras (because they call Ezra 1st Esdras but don't title Nehemiah with Esdras' name).
2) 1st & 2nd Esdras by this numbering are not Deutercanonnical.
3) Where's 4th Maccabees and Psalms 152-155?
Love your channel ♥️
Purim as a rabbinical response to a Persian holiday is a big stretch. No evidence for that at all.
Kind of like Rebbe Shimon writing the Zohar 🐸 🍵
Just found your UA-cam posts. Very interesting, but I'd like to follow up with your sources.
If i become a pateron, will I literally become a navi?
How could Ecclesiastes be influenced by Plato if it was written by king Solomon hundreds of years before Plato was born?
It wasn't written by Solomon bud.
Why would you think it's written by Solomon?
Sam, I just came across your video researching the period of Hellenistic Jews. We have some interesting similarities. I also have a Jewish mother and Irish father. I also changed my last name to my grandfather's name when I was ten, I think you were a bit older. Anyhoo, just noticed that. I don't know many other Jews with Irish ancestry. It's an interesting combination of ish.
Im curious, is being “Jewish” still an ethnic thing that can be traced back to the time of Alexander the great? Or is being Jewish now an idea of someone who follows jewish customs
The answer is "yes" because "being Jewish" can mean a lot of things - arguably way too may things.
@@jeffmartin5419 could a cambodian buddhist become jewish if they choose to? Is the religion open or hostile to conversions for people who are not “ethnically” jewish?
@@jerolvilladolid You can, according to most Jewish traditions. Some groups wouldn't recognize the conversion, though.
Judaism is a nation-based religion. A convert joins the nation. Anyone can convert, but it's not easy, and if it's performed by Orthodox rabbis, everyone will recognize it.
all true jews of today trace their lineage back to babylonia
You missed out Shimon the righteous and the end of the Zadokite priesthood athe founding of the essenes and their temple in Alexandria and the war between the Sadducees and Pharisees .
The upper city of Jerusalem was built by kings Ahaz and Hezekiah during the fall of Northern Israel to accommodate the 10 tribes fleeing from the Assyrians in 723 BC.
I take it there are no sources.
3:17 _"Over time a uniquely Jewish form of theatre came into being ......""_
........ the Broadway musical was born!
This is a very weird take on History..
4:20 nowadays, New York City is home to the largest Jewish population in the world.
The Achaemenids not only did not abolish slavery, they actively engaged in it on the state level, as well as probably being one of the first polities to tax private slave trading.
I enjoy your videos, but I feel inclined to treat them a bit tentatively.
For example, I do not get how you can say an inspired text was made up for political purposes and simultaneously state / imply you are Jewish. It is or it isn't surely?
If it is not a feast worth celebrating, and so uninspired it is not part of the writing's why bother? It is incongruent.
Similarly a lot of references seem to follow those scholars who profess a more atheistic interpretation that theistic, this again I find surprising.
Being Jewish does not require any sort of "correct belief" (other than perhaps rejection of certain other religions). One can be atheist and still be Jewish. Being Jewish just means you belong to the Jewish people, and is much more like other ethnic groups (Kurd, Druze, Basque, etc.) than religions like Christianity and Islam.
@@DM-gw7tz perhaps, but not in the sense directed. If discussing relevant religious issues the predominant stance of an athiest Jew should be athiest. The Jewish element in this case is irrelevant, unless the claim made hinges upon it, which it can't if it does not espouse a faith relationship.
This is not an argument of race, rather it is about discussing an argument from the correct premise.
@@mickyfrazer786 This is a strange remark. A Greek Historian talking about The Odyssey even as they critique the accuracy of them is very common. One doesn't have to believe in the Greek gods to understand how that belief in them shaped Ancient and Classical Greece. Sam Aronow is explaining the scholarly view of the history of his people, including how the legends compare with what we now know happened.
By they way, there are many religious scholars that aren't actually religious themselves. Religion is sometimes what one studies, not necessary what one believes.
@@DM-gw7tz
By scholarly view you mean current secular views. Even the term legends indicates the bias of anti-thiesm in this field.
My view is not odd but a fair and proximate challenge that secular commentators practice their own propositions for lack of bias. What you have to consider is wether the original author believes what they are writing. Very few non religious commentators of religious texts are willing to do this. This is a mistake and leads to fallacious errors, such as the (perhaps willfull) misinterpretation of the walls of Jericho which have since been rebutted. It also leads people like Bettany Huges, to confidently proclaim things such as Israelites believed there were both male and female deities during the Kingdom periods, when it is clear from both biblical and acheological research that the statues she holds to make this claim were likely Baal and Astarte or similar. It being known that both traditional mosaic devotion and polytheism were in competition.
You can keep the belief that the author believes what they write and your own disparate belief and acknowledge both. To not do so inserts that bias that many of those same secular scholars would accuse a religious person of (the counter of at least). Without doing so provides a dishonest appraisal and an intellectual snobbery.
For example British history tends to overlook Scottish and French achievements, indeed the popular list of Monachs only starts with William the Conquerer, yet there was a national monarchy before this commenced by Athelstan. Indeed Athelstan united all of Britian before the act of Union. Similarly it is said the only "Great" King is Alfred who was only King of Wessex, yet these histrioans (purposely?) Ignore Cnut, indeed belittling him by advocating that his proof to his courtiers of his lack of power was indeed his ignorant overstep, that of telling the waves to stop.
Politics and bias overshadows more of history than people provide credence for religious or state history. Personal bias plays into that. Thus a non believers bias needs to be checked at the door just as much (if not more than) a believers. For example the term "Devil's Advocate" was a papal position in the investigation of miricales. Many religious institutions and people will be open minded and fully explore the obvious and the secular before resorting to the supernatural. Very strange how few secular scholars will do likewise.
Yes politics is involved but so is belief.
Writing in history was a very expensive undertaking and copying likewise. Whether stories like the oddessy or histories like herodetus or religious histories like the Bible, they were seen as important and had people who believed in their value. With the latter this includes contemporaries who believed and probably witnessed the miraculous. Strange there are so few if not no extant contemporary copies of debunking documents of the Jeudo Christian faith. Consider for example the religious debates with Islam even in medieval times. Even secular scholars admit things like the 10 plagues of Egypt are anti-egyptian treatise debunking their deistic culture.
@@mickyfrazer786 There is no such thing as "Jeudo [sic] Christian faith." Either one is a Jew or one is a Christian. Christians have appropriated Jewish texts for their own reasons, but their readings of those texts are not Jewish.
I don't know what you mean by "debunking documents." We're not trying to debunk the Tanakh any more than we're trying to debunk The Iliad and the Odyssey.
Wait, so the story of Esther never happened?
Thats what we do, this girl
From where are the sources that Purim was invented by the "rabbis" of that time? It's clear that seleucid-hellenistic historians did not intend to give any heroic meaning to the festival because of other philosophical reasons. Manetho is just an example of that biased and unreliable source against other regional cultures and beliefs.
Purim was not invented by the rabbis. That isn't what the video is trying to say. Purim probably appeared (and was named) organically during the Persian era. The rabbis then invented a "biblical" reason for it and someone wrote Esther to codify this reason. As an aside, the more conservative factions of Jewish society may have rejected Purim all the way to the 1st century CE since we know that there is not a single copy of Esther anywhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls collection.
This video stops right where the big overlooked question begins which regards the overall extent of Jewish colonies in the Mediterranean (especially overlooked is the far west), Why is that Christian (or proto-Christian) documents appear in Greek far away from Judiah? Judiah is commonly portrayed as a "Roman backwater" of little importance, but this is probably far from the truth. The Levant culture (Carthage,etc) of earlier centuries must have been important on the development of philosophy. Greek vs Semitic concepts of beauty and perfection (circumcision) must have been a rather curious debate. The Axial Age comes and goes without a representational new culture. There needs to be more interest in this topic as it relates to the first generation of Christian propagation, thanks.
Oh Persia…
God!!! The Persian’s were so….”Dreamy”!!
I just love bureaucratic central mega-governments that control all aspects of the individual’s life!!!!!
Tell me what to do so I can be accepted too!!!!
Proverbs and Job are from Greek culture? Huh?
Absolutely Not this uploader is satanic.
Source: took it from thin air
Imagine the progress of humanity if in the civil war between hellenistic jews and orthodox jews (hannukah), the hellnistic jews won.
You reference rabbis dissaproving holidays that were not in the bible. At that point in history, rabbis werent a thing yet, however, prior to the roman destruction of the second temple. So do you mean the Priests?
No, rabbis had in fact existed since the destruction of the First Temple. It was they who formed the Great Assembly led by the High Priest and eventually (with the Maccabean Revolt) the Great Sanhedrin as the lawmaking body for both Judea itself and for Judaism. Priests were fairly marginal at this point and eventually just became administrators of the Temple.
@@SamAronow Additionally, Rabbis must by definition have existed before the Second Temple was destroyed because if not, what were the Perushim then? The original question confused Rabbinical Judaism with the existence of rabbis.
2014 Netanyahu meets with Serbian PM Vucic in Jerusalem. Netanyahy: The friendship between the Jewish and Serbian people's goes back to thousands of years, to the time of the Roman Republic. ... ? Can you explain?
It's totally ahistorical, but Serbia's government has a history of promoting grandiose pseudohistory for politics, and Netanyahu has a history of doing and saying anything to increase and maintain his own power. The South Slavic peoples did not arrive in the former territory of the Roman Empire- let alone the Republic- until the 7th century CE.
@@SamAronow thanks
Haha, can you explain what he was referring to? 🤣
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 Хас ма Пеле
@@rasturismo5142 ????? 🤡
Esther was not written in order to promote festive celebration. This is usual atheistic propaganda, ultimately a lie.
You're saying somethings that are confusing. The books of Proverbs and Job were a result of Greek Philosophy entering Jewish culture? That's patently untrue. And the book of Ester was written to justify a Pagan holiday? Are you just making stuff up?
Yes he is as no source is ever posted, these are political militant videos
Need source data. Proverbs is from Greek influence? Shut up.
Of course Judaism was influenced by the greeks and so was islam and christianity and most pagan religions.The greek dna is everywere 🇬🇷🇬🇷
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Aza meena mishigana
A emeser tzedreuta
Out of thin air he creates a buba masa in why we celebrate purim
He is total fariket that's one
Two the Jewish date does not meet up with the new years of the Persians
He is a real farikta nebich
Your assumption that grim was invented to allow Jews to celebrate Persian New Years is BS. Where do come up with such nonsense?
Its always the Greeks, for good or bad, granted the Fall of Troi did lead to the creation of ROME which lead to everything else, but meh 50/50
Also don't combine your hummus with yogurt you malaks, it will kill the latrines and sewer systems,
Book of esther is a … biblical parable … invented by … riiiiight
I’m sorry you hate God and Jesus Christ. Why would someone hate a man who died for your sins?
1:40 Turks found the yogurts not greeks >:(
Actually "οξυγαλα" (oxygala) is an early form of yogurt founded by the Greeks 😳
Wrong!!! Oxygala was already being made by Greeks while turks were still in Caves. Sorry 🤷🏻♂️
Uploader is a Pro Persian Greek hater. I had a feeling to not watch this video wow it was right.