Why "Evidence" Will Never Be Enough.
Вставка
- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- In this video, we combine a critique of an interview featuring Richard Dawkins with an explanation of the phychology of Atheism featuring John Lennox. I hope you find this helpful (wherever you are on the journey).
Become a part of The Wisdom Society: www.dailydoseofwisdom.co/join...
It never fails to amaze me how different my conversations with non-believers become when consciously trying to care about them as a person.
What does that mean?
I don't care about trying to convince people as much as I used to, they really don't listen to evidence. Jesus even said that. If they want evidence, they can search it out for themselves.
@@sliglusamelius8578 The problem is you guys never do any critical investigation. You simply just accept the Bible or listen to apologists.
---------------------------------------------------------
*"Neither the evangelists nor their first readers engaged in historical analysis. Their aim was to confirm Christian faith (Lk. 1.4; Jn. 20.31). Scholars generally agree that the Gospels were written forty to sixty years after the death of Jesus. They thus do not present eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus’ life and teachings.*
Unfortunately, much of the general public is not familiar with scholarly resources like the one quoted above; instead, Christian apologists often put out a lot of material, such as The Case For Christ, targeted toward lay audiences, who are not familiar with scholarly methods, in order to argue that the Gospels are the eyewitness testimonies of either Jesus’ disciples or their attendants. *The mainstream scholarly view is that the Gospels are anonymous works, written in a different language than that of Jesus, in distant lands, after a substantial gap of time, by unknown persons, compiling, redacting, and inventing various traditions, in order to provide a narrative of Christianity’s central figure-Jesus Christ-to confirm the faith of their communities."*
*As scholarly sources like the Oxford Annotated Bible note, the Gospels are not historical works (even if they contain some historical kernels).*
*"Majority of Scholars agree: The Gospels were not written by Eyewitnesses - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
Also, look up:
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"*
*"When Were the Gospels Written and How Can We Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
*"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"*
*"February 2015 - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* - Isaiah 53
*"Jesus and the Messianic Prophecies - Did the Old Testament Point to Jesus? - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*
*"Did Jesus Fulfill Prophecy? | Westar Institute"*
*"Jesus Was Not the Only “Prophet” to Predict the Destruction of the Temple - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
@@sliglusamelius8578you don’t have evidence, you have a book of claims that you attempt to use as evidence, and by doing so, you demonstrate that you don’t understand the nature of evidence.
@@sliglusamelius8578That’s a fine attitude to take. The point is that aside from that, you should care about them personally. Something besides their stated intellectual beliefs about the cosmos.
@@boxtrot5277
False. I have tons of evidence, including miracle events that I have zero interest in sharing with you. Faith is a pearl of great price, and I don't throw my pearls to swine..
"The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament sheweth his handywork."
Psalm 19:1
Praise Krishna!
The firmament is how Jesus could go bodily into a cloud in Acts 1:9. It is Ptolemaic cosmology.
Doesn’t mean it’s true.
Wow. A quote. Neato.
Apart from bad medieval spelling, that bible quote is meaningless without evidence.
If Christ were to walk on earth right now people would still not believe in god
True because people still didn't believe back then 🤣🤣🤣
I believe. That doesn't mean God is good or loving.
Great point. Most denied Him the first time He was with us in the flesh!
No that would definitely be VERY compelling reason to believe, assuming he was in fact a man risen from the dead visible for all. That would be HUGE!
So we agree that the historical Christ isn’t walking on earth. And we may agree that a real deity is not prevented from revealing sufficient evidence of its existence… correct?
What we have is indistinguishable from the same process of cultural creation one may observe across all human cultures …right?
What I find more interesting is that supernatural beliefs continue to adapt and persist.
Not just theism …isn’t it remarkable that so many believe in astrology for example.
AND PROFESSING TO BE WISE THEY BECAME FOOLS!!!
CHRIST IS KING 👑
Christians professing to know the truth, they became fools. Facts and evidence is king!
So, you are professing to be wise enough to know that "Christ is King" which by your own logic makes you a fool. Nice self own! And besides, America was founded on the idea that we need or want NO KINGS to govern ourselves. If you have a king. you are a slave and not free. Our founding documents say it well: "The power to govern derives from the consent of the governed." NOT A KING! We were the first nation founded on secular ideals put forth by the Enlightenment philosophers like Voltaire, Locke, Hume, and Hobbs. We are not now, nor have we ever been a Christian nation. Anyone who argues that we were founded as a Christian nation is either lying or is grossly misinformed.
That applies to the religious.
I'm sorry, but that has to be one of the dumbest passages in the Bible. It presupposed that the one using the quote considers himself to be wiser than the people he is aiming it at. Not just considers, but actually professes...in print. Boooomerang!
@MattWhite-vh6xh ... said this wise man.
Do you think it's impossible to look up from below? A dummy like me can still see when someone smarter than me is becoming foolish. You're presupposing that the writer is dunking on others, thinks he's smarter than everyone else. What if that's not his motive? Am I not allowed to notice when a genius like Dawkins has a blind spot? Is the child not allowed to say the emperor has no clothes?
The interesting thing about Dawkins is he is arguing more that God is bad, than reasoning intellectually that He does not exist. Prof Lennox is hitting the nail on the head.
ATHEISM and RELIGIONS against the BIBLE and the AUTHORITY of JESUS CHRIST
According to the Bible,
Jesus Christ is the One given by GOD all authority in heaven and on earth as written in Matthew 28: 18.
Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who unitedly assert and claim that -
1. Jesus Christ is NOT worthy and deserving to be honored and respected as the One given by GOD all authority in heaven and on earth
2. the Bible is NOT the "Word of GOD" and source of Truths but just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
will
definitely bring themselves their own dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS.
GOD KNOWS
that his favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
but
ONLY for lowly, ordinary, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth
who
willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ
and obey his teachings too about the 'Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26.
GOD KNOWS
that the teaching of his Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead"
is
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
but
the guarantee
that
loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
No dear he is arguing that if the biblical god exists as per the biblical narrative then said God should most certainly be described as "bad"
@@trumpbellend6717 Possibly , but Dawkins is not a good interpreter of the Bible .
@@tomgreene1843
Lol do you mean that you would argue that instructions to buy slaves from heathen nations was not a "bad " thing ?? Did God not give people "bad" laws ? 🤔
@@tomgreene1843
Let's structure this in the form of a logical syllogism with premises and a conclusion, then you can indicate which specific premises you disagree with that would invalidate the derived conclusion ........
*Premise one*
The Christian God is said to be morally perfect, loving, omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent.
*Premise two*
Belief in this specific god is required to prevent an eternal torment and attain salvation.
*Premises three*
The Christian God wants all to know of his existence and thus be saved.
*Premise four*
The Christian God would have both the ability and desire to demonstrate his existence to all.
*Premise five*
Almost three quarters of the world population do not believe the Christian God exists.
*Conclusion*
The Christian God as described does *NOT* exist
As a Christian, I still like listening to Richard Dawkins, its good humor presented so seriously 😂
Could not agree with him less.
very well said! rofl
Because you can't let go of your indoctrination.
@@chamberlainmiller2991 I listen to John Lennox for a laugh. He lacks any credibility.
@kos-mos1127 I know right. How anyone takes any dishonest apologist seriously is beyond me. The indoctrination is real.
Yeah, like Christians don't take themselves WAY too seriously. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Came back to Christianity after many years as an atheist. This channel has helped me understand a lot of the seductive, but ultimately, incorrect ideas I was swayed by.
Those would be?
What seductive ideas does atheism hold? Is being Christian, whatever the sect, non seductive?
They’re seductive because they promise that, in the absence of God, we shall be like gods. And they sound convincing until it’s revealed they all do a little sleight of hand trick at the beginning. They assume what they intend to “prove.”
@@noyesharrigan6217
_"They’re seductive because they promise that, in the absence of God, we shall be like gods."_
I've never heard an atheist make this argument ever.
This is a lie that theists tell. It's a total misrepresentation of atheism.
thinking was too hard, so you turned off your brain and believe in fairytales.
The Jews watched Moses part the Red Sea and not long after started worshipping a golden calf while he was on the mountain with God.
No amount of evidence will be enough. It's our hearts that are the issue.
Absolutely.
As a former Christian, if you were to discover any evidence of the Egyptian army under not just the Red or Reed seas, but any sea east of Egypt like the Bible predicts there should be, I would seriously re-examine my beliefs. In fact, if you could even present reliable evidence of the Israelites even living in Egypt as the Bible says, I would also seriously re-examine my beliefs. It might need to contradict the Armana period, including the letters found in the late 1800's (and some more as recently as 1993) on display at the British museum, that you can literally go and view for yourself.
I absolutely believed and still WISH Christianity was true, but even the most minimal of evidence is the problem.
@@wefinishthisnow3883 Are you saying the bible isn't accurate regarding the historical events and geographical locations? Why is it then that historians use the bible for the very reason of it being so accurate that they are able to pin point geographical locations and cities that are in ruin? Exodus was a long long time ago, if the recent events are able to be tracked back, that should at least point to the fact that despite time being a block, there is merit to believe the older events as-well. + there is evidence regarding exodus, like apparently horse carriage wheels being at the bottom of the gulf of aquba.
@@wefinishthisnow3883
Research the evidence found of Exodus. Also Sodom and Gamora. I pray that you truly find Christ! I'm sure your heart is hurting for truth ❤❤
I think we just have to be honest and humble and god guides us
Deep down the denial is almost always personal.
Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation?? I'm confused, what am I missing here?..
As an atheist I don't know what you mean by denial. I keep asking for good evidence but haven't received any from the believers. No denial needed. Please show me the quality evidence. By quality I mean evidence that if a Muslim or Hindi gave you that level of evidence, you would change your beliefs to their religion.
@@valinorean4816 Plz research. That " gospel" is a total fraud Romans hated. Christians for centuries.
@@valinorean4816 sounds like an old communist lie..
@@jakeschwartz2514 Or an old truth? Let's think logically. Take for example the episode of healing a blind man on the second try (Mark 8:22-25), if Jesus was God he would do it on the first try, but if the "blind" guy was a Roman paid actor creating a dramatic performance, everything makes sense!
This kind of thing happened to me a few months ago.
I was debating online with an atheist friend for a few weeks. I used intelligent design, and I had proven to him that the odds for "random chance" were just too infinitesimally tiny to be believable.
That was when he accidentally revealed his true reason for being an atheist. He wanted to keep his freedom to do what he wanted to do, and did not want to submit his life to God. He "liked" being a sinner, and he was using his denial of God's existence to rationalize that there were no "God's laws" that he had to follow.
Our weeks-long debate ended at that point, because I didn't know how to respond to someone who just wants to be a sinner.
I don't believe your story.
@@markh1011 Nor do I.
Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation?? I'm confused, what am I missing here?..
It is believable that one would want to continue being a sinner. I have a coworker who pretty much makes the case. It is because what they want is what they really value. They don't want to let go. The wall of defenses that he makes suggests that it's his desires that keep him from accepting. He's also a very stubborn person. He doesn't really want to change. He doesn't want to let go.
@@JiraiyaSama86 That's him, exactly.
Most respectfully, allow me to express deepest appreciation for the value of your podcast in addressing the most profound questions presented by faith. I was the president of my evangelical congregation for about 15 years, and insisted that our pastor hold seminars on questions such as evil, and the results were good and well meaning. But the fundamental questions remained. Your material carries these answers upward by an order of magnitude. Warmest compliments. Thank you, sir. :)
Evidence has to be presented before we can determine if it's enough.
@@challengingoldhollywoodmyt2934 is it information that could lead you to believe in god you want. or a demonstration of god to be a fact or true
Really appreciate this page and what you’re doing. I think this very discussion is what’s missing in a lot of churches today. They’re too often more concerned about what the world thinks instead of God. A good understanding of these arguments is crucial.
Thank you for your important work ❤❤❤
From simple to complex was the basis of the whole explanation of Darwin and his theory of evolution. We now know the most basic so called simple cell is more complex than anything we can imagine and are only beginning to understand our inability to even comprehend its complexity. It has always been a matter of the will and will continue to be until the end.
If you're going to reject the overwhelming scientific consensus and the thousands of peer reviewed and published papers on abiogenesis and biological evolution, at least demonstrate that you have a basic understanding of what you are rejecting.
@@downenout8705A lot comes before the cell (even though it is extremely complex); forces, electromagnetism, magnetism. Explain those. That is even before we get to consciousness (the hard problem) and mind (does it emerge with quantum events?
@@ALavin-en1kr If you are going to use fallacious arguments from incredulity and ignorance to reject all the thousands of peer reviewed and published scientific papers on these subjects, at least demonstrate that you understand them. You could start by citing a paper that concludes that consciousness is something more than an emergent property of a functioning brain.
You won't, because you can't, because there is none.
@@downenout8705 The evidence that it is an emergent property of a functioning brain is zero and that is why we have what is called the hard problem of consciousness.
Complexity is evidence for complexity, not evidence for god , your god of the gaps arguments needs a mechanism, do you have a mechanism for anything god has created ?
.
No two snowflakes ❄️ have ever been the same ever , but happens everyday , mathematically impossible, ?
Of all striped and spotted animals of all time , no two have ever had the same pattern ever , mathematically impossible, but happens every day ?
Of all the people who have ever lived, no two finger prints have ever been the same ever , mathematically impossible, but happens everyday !
I love how many people will be "triggered" by this video. I really love that NONE of them will realize that they are showing their hands in their overwrought protesting.
I get it. My parents were each married three times, and I blamed Dad for a while too. It gets better when you are old enough to realize that Mom and Dad are just two more human beings trying to make it in this world. They are more than just your parents.
If you lie and slander people, they get offended, what's the surprise?
It's the same thing Christians do in feeling vindicated after yelling at people on the street or forming disingenuous relationships, when the nonbeliever involved proceeds to dislike Christianity as a result.
I just want to thank you for introudicing me to John Lennox, through his and your work ive been brought back to Jesus after being away since I was 18, im now 36. The way he explains Jesus love and acceptance at the begginging and not some final exam is what ALL Christians need to hear. Were told its more like Santa Naughty or Nice list, dont do this dont do that, we get the messaging all wrong. Sure there is Sin but im way less likely to indulge if i am accepted and loved DESPITE all that not the other way around. So thank you both truly, you all are doing amazing things 🙏✝️🕯
Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation?? I'm confused, what am I missing here?..
@valinorean4816 Find your own truth, not here to convince you of anything God bless 🙏✝️
@@valinorean4816 The resurrection of Jesus is documented in multiple independent sources, including the four Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), the letters of Paul, and other early Christian writings. These sources were written by different authors in different locations, making a coordinated fabrication by the Romans unlikely.
Early Creedal Statements:
Early Christian creeds, such as the one found in 1 Corinthians 15:3-7, which dates to within a few years of Jesus' death, affirm the resurrection. This early testimony suggests that belief in the resurrection was not a later invention.
Hostile Witnesses:
The New Testament mentions hostile witnesses, such as Jewish leaders, who did not dispute the empty tomb but instead claimed the disciples stole the body (Matthew 28:11-15). This implies that the tomb was indeed found empty.
Logical and Theological Considerations:
Motivation of the Romans:
The Romans had no apparent motive to stage the resurrection. They were more interested in maintaining order and preventing unrest. Staging a resurrection would have risked further destabilizing the region.
Risk to Early Christians:
Early Christians faced persecution and martyrdom for their beliefs. It is unlikely they would willingly endure such hardships and die for something they knew to be a staged event.
Consistency of Witnesses:
The apostles and other early Christians consistently testified to the resurrection, even under threat of death. The psychological and sociological aspects of mass deception do not align with the consistent and widespread belief in the resurrection.
Scholarly Support:
Consensus of Historians:
The majority of historians, including secular scholars, agree that Jesus' disciples genuinely believed they had seen the risen Jesus. This consensus is based on the historical reliability of the sources and the transformative impact of the resurrection belief on the early Christian community.
Transformation of the Disciples:
The dramatic change in the behavior of the disciples-from fear and hiding to boldly proclaiming the resurrection-suggests they experienced something profound and life-changing.
Addressing Specific Claims from "The Gospel of Afranius":
Literary Genre:
"The Gospel of Afranius" is a fictional work and should be read as such. It may offer an interesting narrative but does not hold up as historical evidence.
Critical Examination:
Encourage critical thinking and examination of primary historical sources over fictional accounts. Cross-referencing historical data from the time, including Roman records and Jewish sources, provides a more accurate picture.
@@FixyASMR You misunderstood, I'm saying it was staged with an actor-impersonator (that's what "The Gospel of Afranius" says)? You didn't address this point but talked about something else entirely!
@@FixyASMR Obviously the Romans didn't fabricate the Gospels, faithful Christians wrote the Gospels!
Your channel plays a crucial role not just for me, but i am 100% sure that for a LOT of people. In a sense, i think that the sooner we adress our "main" issue with cristianity, suddenly the other ones come popping in our minds as delightful questions. That's the most beautiful thing about God, he guides us through many many ways, by the beauty of nature, by philosophical arguments, historical evidence, by a true relationship. That shows us the desire of Him to get us to know him better, to show himself in the ordinary things and it makes us wonder "how is it possible that all of this is not a result of a supreme being?" All of us have our journey, and the doubts will appear in every kind of study we are doing, but the main point is to keep on going, getting awnsers to our questions and persevering in the search for a personal and all loving God. Thank you so much bro, it is a pleasure to be subscribed to this, and i am very grateful to God for allowing all of us to have access to this kind of content. God bless you all!
Yes it’s laughable how many people think social media is evidence.
Very well said. I'm was very pleasantly surprised to learn that God not only did all that he did in the past; but he helps us so much even after being saved. Jesus as always spoke truly; "I do not leave you as orphans". Without God providing the way back to God; and without his continued support to walk with him in this fallen world; not a one of us could overcome.
He speaks the truth. Keep up the good work.
@@KOH777-gp6ut Do you know He only did this because He wanted to? He doesn't do any thing He doesn't want to do, and He did it because He loved you His creation, His miracle child, on the rocks, stuck in the mire, lost and confused, simply because He loved you.
If God loves us, why did God let Lucifer and the Fallen Angels to thrown down to the Earth, not any other billions of planets in the universe, and deceive Adam and Eve, and end up all the mess God Himself not pleased with, and in the end, almost 99.999% of all the people who had ever lived, end up in Hell for zillions of years ... not only because they didnt believe in Jesus but other Gods, but also Christians who did not follow every single instruction in the Bible, like not to even do small sin, think evil, cheating, lying, and pornography, go on drugs, eating pork......
That is SO TRUE that people need different kinds of arguments ! The secret is to discern the feelings behind the words and show kindness!
When I read "The God Delusion", I was shocked how bad/inadequate Dawkins' intellectual arguments were...but it became clear in the last 25% of the book, that his real objections are emotional.
I read its rebuttal by dr. Alistair McGrath- the Dawkins delusion.
Which one specifically? He’s right, so that seems odd.
The appeal of religion has always been entirely emotional, so look in the mirror. Only fairly recently have religious folks started to appeal to (pseudo) science, since it is obvious that Christianity is losing adherents by the thousands. Faith is apparently not enough for people anymore. They want evidence, so you pretend that science supports your assertions. It does not, and it is sad to see you cravenly appealing to science after fighting tooth and nail against it for 2,000 years.
@@williamgreenfield9991 You just showed what Lennox said to carry alot of weight. The lack of belief and warmth of a person are often due to trauma. Dawkin's barrier is definitely emotional and you can see it in his face.
@@user-vs3tz6eg6k You almost certainly know nothing about any trauma Dawkins may have suffered, so your comment has no basis other than your hunch based on his face. And speaking of "belief" can a person force themselves to believe something they don't believe? If you try to force yourself to believe, all you can do is pretend to believe, and I'm guessing this "God" dude would know you were faking it. One does not have free will in this regard. If I could prove to you that you will absolutely burn for eternity if you do not believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny, could you force yourself to believe they are real?
God bless You Brandon and Professor Lennox for the great work you do. ✝️♥️
Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation?? I'm confused, what am I missing here?..
Love your channel, look forward to ALL YOUR VIDEOS
Absolutely love it, Subscribed!
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire
Your team said Christians couldn’t make a discovery. First of all, Christians discovered “Mechanics” as Dawkins so eloquently put it. But that’s old. Okay, then Christians discovered soft-tissues in the fossils. Your team. Now, as an evolutionist, you probably think of yourself as a survivor. What’s the first rule of survival? Caution. But when asked, “What is this place? And since there are people born incapable of doing the things you fear not accomplishing, is it possible there’s a God?” What does your team do. You throw caution to the wind. Also, how is it surviving if you’re going to die? Small detail nobody wants to talk about. It is pretty embarrassing such an obvious detail. Having kids doesn’t mean you survive. Also, over the grand scheme of 14 billion years, how many species have not survived according to your team? Most of them. So you’re a survivor because you have kids? No, no guarantees. And how about the 45,000 year old tree in the 65 million year old rock layer your team doesn’t want to talk about? Religion is caution and hope.
It's interesting how often--not always, okay?--skeptics will give the game away. I had a friend back in the late 90s who was an objectivist, a huge fan of Ayn Rand. I learned a lot from him, believe me. He was quite smart, very logical. We had many great discussions and were always able to keep things civil. One day I asked him, "Look, just for he sake of argument, let's just say you're wrong, and the instant you die, you find yourself before God, not merely 'non-existent.' What would you say to him?" Without hesitation, he said, "F**k you. That's what I'd tell him: F**k you." While he said it somewhat dispassionately, there was definitely an undertone of pure rage. Maybe he truly didn't believe in a God; I don't know. I took him at his word. But I could never quite understand the anger towards something that didn't exist.
You can’t be that angry at something you don’t believe in brother. I say that as a former raging unbeliever myself 🫤 It was one of the things that started the chain of introspection that led to my coming to faith. Somebody somewhere said that to me, or something along those lines. Just like Lennox is saying here, there is almost always an underlying hurt the person has, and frequently doesn’t even know they have it until they’re shown the glitch in their matrix and it makes them doubt themself.
I would say exactly the same thing if, as an atheist, I suddenly came before this "God" dude at the moment of death. I would also question him about his genocidal tendencies, his rage, his jealousy (what does the king of the universe have to be jealous of?), his apparent need/desire to be worshipped (is he insecure?), his sanctioning of slavery, his allowing his arch nemesis (that he created) to control this world, his lack of a commandment prohibiting rape. I would ask him why he didn't make his book so easy to understand that no one would have any reason to argue about it and no one would feel the need to go to war over it. Your friend gave you his honest answer based on YOUR premise that "God" turned out to be real. In order to answer your question he had to accept your premise. That does NOT mean that he has any anger or rage toward what he thinks of as an imaginary being. Back when I still thought there might be a "God" I was very angry at him for the horrible suffering that he allowed my mother to endure as she struggled with and died of cancer (if he created everything then he created cancer), but all that anger disappeared as soon as I realized that this "God" dude was/is almost certainly not real. (I say almost because he may show up, but I'm not optimistic). It's not fair of you to judge your friend's reaction the way you did. He just played along with your hypothetical question. This was no instance of giving the game away.
@@williamgreenfield9991 Well, I apprehend your point. And I apprehend it exactly. You see,at present, my mom is also dying of cancer. And I too, take notice of those other bad things that you have mentioned. Further,one of my little sisters passed away from cancer. I'm an insomniac. I'm a depressive. My older brother committed suicide. One of my younger brothers currently has heart problems. I know people who have experienced very frightening supernatural occurrences. I have experienced very frightening supernatural occurrences! But in contrast to your perspective, I'll contend that there is a god. However, I will honestly admit that I cannot understand. In spite of that ,you and I know that failure to understand a particular thing doesn't make that thing unreality. I don't understand plenty of things. They still exist anyway...
@@user-zu2zo8ji4n All that stuff sucks. From one human to another, I wish that didn’t happen to you. I don’t think @williamgreenfield9991 views all those terrible events as evidence against God’s existence. I imagine he has gone through his own intellectual journey and has found that the god claim is unfounded. As have I. And it’s a great loss. I feel orphaned in a dark and scary world. So imagine us orphans struggling to survive day after day and someone coming along and saying “Your dad’s alive! In fact, he’s been watching you because he loves you. One day he’s going to allow you to see him! What are you gonna say to him?!”
“F*ck you! Why did you fake your death?!”
At the same time, I think that if you have had a personal connection with Him through these terrible life events (a phenomenon that I would bet is psychological/sociological, but I could be wrong) then it make sense to me that your response to God would be polar opposite. Something like “Thank you for holding my hand for all those terrible years.” I bet you feel like the orphan who’s been adopted. I’m glad you get to experience that side of this weird aspect of humanity.
So you come up with a hypothetical scenario and he answers within that hypothetical scenario and then you take his hypothetical answer as his real standpoint? Do you see where it went wrong?
What Dawkins is saying is that evolutionary biology explains how organisms go from simple to conscious, creative beings (it doesn't begin to explain that and we don't "know" that is true), but if there is already consciousness and creativity in the universe, then they haven't explained where consciousness and creativity come from at all.
The routinely accepted "scientific" theory of Darwinism is today, in the process of being disproved.
@@user-fc1ld9ts8u no, evolution is nowhere near in the process of being disproved… Whoever told you that like you
It is 100% the opposite
@@keithziegler8881 No disrespect intended, however, you are mistaken.
If you study Darwinism you will understand that he does not start at the beginning of life but at a later point; he does not show how life began and more importantly how life evolved from the most simple life forms to the incredibly complicated forms we know today. Even medical scientists cannot explain the most basic functions of the human body.
In any event, this is cutting edge questioning of Darwinism and as you no doubt know, it is still being taught today. But it is being questioned, and not on purely religious grounds, but on the basis of scientific theory. That you are not aware this is ongoing, or may disagree with such questioning, is not determinative.
See, e.g.
"The three limitations of Darwin's theory concern the origin of DNA, the irreducible complexity of the cell, and the paucity of transitional species. Because of these limitations, the author predicts a paradigm shift away from evolution to an alternative explanation.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Comments on Darwinism - PMC - NCBI"
Be well.
@@keithziegler8881
The three limitations of Darwin's theory concern the origin of DNA, the irreducible complexity of the cell, and the paucity of transitional species.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Comments on Darwinism - PMC - NCBI
Darwinism explained the survival of the fittest but not the arrival of the fittest.
Darwin himself states, “To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.” (p. 168) Origin of the Species.
Where did DNA come from?
As a scientific process let us look for answers and not close our eyes to possibilities we don't understand or agree with without evidence. Let's not be part of the Flat Earth Society.
Teaching uncriticized Darwinism is no different than teaching a pagan religion.
"You exist because you are wanted. " , good one!
Wonderful stuff!
I'm currently writing script about this, the problem of intelligence and the problem of heart.
Great answer.
What do you mean by ‘the heart?’
@@boxbury for example, maybe he had past trauma or bad experiences about suffering.
Smartest logic answer might not suitable for those kind of question-er.
@@apel.ogetika I feel this should even offend Christians, like are you saying that you need to be stupid to believe in god?
@@apel.ogetikawhy can't you answer the question?
@@tornay131 I can but have to be careful. Simplifying people's problem will lead to new problems
A big question for me is ‘Why does life want to survive/ continue?’
Ever since the first cells formed, why did they multiply?
There seems to be an innate WILL that exists in every living thing.
That's a good observation. Interesting thought.
Actually, there may have been life that lacked this will and was reluctant to multiply. That's why it was soon gone.
Ever since we have effective contraception people can decide whether to have children. Only the ones who want children will procreate. I think this will in the long run create people who all have this desire hard-wired in our psychology. We may also evolve clumsy fingers with sharp fingernails against condoms and fuzzy brains to help forget when to take contraceptive pills.
@@erikt1713 to claim that it was reluctant also implies will, which is reinforced by your point concerning people choosing not to have children.
@@Bi0Dr01d I realize it was not precise. For people it is correct to say "will". For the type of early life-forms I thought about it is better to say tendency. The ones with insufficient tendency to multiply died out.
@@Bi0Dr01d I may be forgiven for the imprecision. During the Covid-19 crisis it happened a lot that people assigned purpose to the virus. "It was finding new ways to evade our immune system". In fact, it was not even looking for them. Some variants had such abilities and others did not. The best adapted versions thrived. This was really fast evolution.
Your discussions are very interesting and very useful. thank you
Thanks!
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom it seems to me that your comments section has some of the most in atheist "raids", so to say, with new crops of atheists rhetoric flooding in. This could be good or bad, seeing how many views you are getting and being updated with the current anti theist mentality is a good thing; and enjoy seeing christians when they rise to the occasion in proclaiming the Gospel, and reason with apologetics. Keep doing what you're doing; the purpose of God in what you're doing is evident
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation?? I'm confused, what am I missing here?..
Believing just to believe is stupid.
What is the alternative?
@@rockycomet4587 How about just getting on with your life.
@@bobwilkinson2008 I mean, what other purpose for believing is there?
Thanks for that, St Thomas Aquinas. 😂
@@rockycomet4587. ACCURATE knowledge. 1 Tim 3,4. Easier said than done however if you just have an intellectual curiosity, however Jesus promised that ‘No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me DRAWS him” John 6.44
If you have an honest heart that sincerely wants truth and pray for it God will eventually lead you to it. All the best
So many of my prayers were fulfilled, since I turned to him and crawl my life towards him. Every day I fall, Jesus tells us to keep going to him. Getting better over the man I was yesterday is the hardest task. He came filled with only love for us, it's the least I can do .
@@francoisdelanauze8008 We cant get better on our own! Dont forget its by the Spirit we become sanctified not our own efforts🙏🧡
@@francoisdelanauze8008 Glad to hear your prayers were answered. So, what’s God’s problem with amputees who pray for their limbs to grow back? Why won’t he answer THOSE prayers?
@@Haroldbeavis1969 I can't answer this question and I'm deeply sorry if this is your condition, the way God works is not to us to judge. The fact that our condition change on the course of our life is somewhat closely related to our inner thinking. I've lost the length of an inch of my left index in 1988 and I know why, it was directly related to my way of thinking and nothing else ! Deep introspection is a key factor to get where we manage to visualize this reality. Few are capable of such introspection I'm afraid. Pray for you I can because I rarely pray for me, as a matter of fact we are suppose to pray for others, only others .
🙏
@@francoisdelanauze8008 I’m fairly sure most amputees lose limbs not if their own doing, although there are likely quite a few that are the resujt of irresponsibility. Still, growing back a limb is the perfect litmus test to demonstrate whether prayer works as we know for a fact that cannot happen naturally. Soooo…..
@@Haroldbeavis1969 Our lord and creator is given us lessons everyday of our lives, the greatest is acceptance and trust in his work for humanity thst he created. Why I don't know, but usually these lessons are coming to us from other human beings because we are teachers and students at the same time.
This is trought experience we evolve towards him, remember we are all born sinners. We must learn, pray, meditate and turn our hearts towards Jesus. May the lord help you on your journey to acceptance and trust of his work on your life 🙏
5:45 it undermines it because they take pride in their discoveries to the point where they refuse to credit the creator
This is on point comment. Ego and selfishness is a brutal thing.
@@doriansw305 Ego of which God is quite filled.
@@haitaelpastor976 Well, HE is God 🤷♂️
@@haitaelpastor976Well, HE is GOD! 🤷♂️
Well you cannot credit that which has no evidence that it exists
Sorry, but anybody that tells you they have evidence of God is either lying to you what they don't know what the word means
Love this show
So if i find a car and then figure out how it works only to find out theres not only a creator behind the car but also a users manual, thats supposed to undermine my learning of how it works? Okay. Lets say it does undermine the work ive done. Does that then make it untrue? No it just makes it a fact i have to come to terms with
Here's a good analogy of what Dawkins is actually saying "The idea of God undermines our pretending to be gods."
It undermines their pretense! Because they are posers. Just like Hollywood. Just like the music industry and all the so-called supposed "music scenes".
It's all pretense. It's all pretend.
It might be good to do an episode on church hurt. I've talked with many people who have walked away because of bad teaching or bad representation. If anyone can touch hearts with that message, it would be Jesus in you, the hope of glory. God bless you brother. Love your heart for the Lord and your channel.
Yes, this is an excellent suggestion... unfortunately there are many false teachers out here. Not to mention that some of them don't reach out and show the love and compassion that is required to help someone.
Very good explanation of proper discipleship. Discipleship starts when the person is not a follower of Christ. Always remember simply believing in God and/or Christ is not enough! The scripture calls us to love the Lord with all that we are and follow Him!
And these things are not possible are they ? Have you done those things ?
@@asliketheson Well according to my statement on the subject of discipleship, what do you think?
@@paulgoodner2687 Hope that helps Paul
All who call upon the name of the Lord.. shall be saved. Salvation is a free gift that you could never earn you wretch. We are all constrained as debtors to God through faith and grace in Christ so that none can boast
Or will you in heaven say you should be let in because you upheld the Law? Or that you were good? Good luck, but that isnt the Gospel
@@jakeschwartz2514 Amen . You mean we don’t have to tap dance to peters latest replacement ?
Thank you
Behind every question is a questioner. If we all remembered that, the world would be so much more civil, patient, peaceful.
This is an excellent breakdown! Effective evangelism requires us to study the individual to see what’s the barrier to them accepting Christ!
The biggest barrier is lack of proof in any sort.
@@rapidrrobert4333 There's proof and there's evidence and they're not the same. Most events, especially unobserved events rely on evidence because proof is impossible.
Quite often the barrier is intelligence.
@@kurtwinslow2670just like there's zero evidence of biblical miracles outside of the claims themselves in the bible
@rapidrrobert4333The biggest barrier is man's hostility in his heart.
I'm reminded that this subject can never really be non personal. And perhaps that's what some people don't seem to get.
And placing such disastrous weight on the scale of a decisions made by feelings, when the Bible tells us outright to not trust the heart, is not the doings or evidence of a kind loving god who wants to know me. I WANT to know him, but he’s silent, indistinguishable from every other theology on the planet present or past. My eternal conscious torture shouldn’t be based on my geographic location at birth. What. A. Joke.
@@lukepoplawski3230 If you're making such a statement where you say that you can't distinguish Him from the others, then you're clearly not listening or thinking critically. It is baloney to say or imply that they all sound the same.
You can say you want to know Him, but if your behavior and actions say otherwise, it is clearly not the case that you want to know Him.
Your location does not keep you from choosing the Lord.
@@JiraiyaSama86 sure does bud! Check any map of the world’s religions, the problem of the unevengalized is a problem Christianity cannot answer. Many many many people have a hard time distinguishing what you would call “gods voice” from their own intuition. Just go ahead and look up on UA-cam how many videos and guides there are to help one distinguish that voice from the others. (I’ll give you a clue, it’s because those voices are the same thing, the same voice. That’s you. It’s called your intuition. Having a predisposed bias to wanting it be god doesn’t make it god. And building a framework of problem solving when you already have the end goal decided doesn’t mean you’re a critical thinker. It’s well understood in psychology ie red cars)
@@lukepoplawski3230 No. It doesn't matter. Anyone who is able to think can conceive that there is a creator. All people have God's laws written on their hearts. The question is whether they have humility and curiosity. The world around everyone will always provide opportunities for one to be humble and grateful as well as curious. The ability to think allows one to be curious. Whether one is both humble and interested enough to search for their creator is up to them. Therefore, they are without excuse.
You also do not fit the case of not being able to know Jesus. Even if your case of geographical location is true, you are already disqualified from having the excuse. You have no excuses. If you keep playing games and keep making excuses, it'll be no different than when someone simply calls you out for not being interested in a relationship with them and then just leaving you.
The claims you're making that they're all the same are the claims of lazy intellectuals. Even other nonbelievers can point out that your claims are bogus and they don't have to belong to a religion. You can read and believe all the fancy papers and so-called research papers all you want. That won't excuse you. The excuse of listening to authorities that have led you astray won't save you.
What you have said thus far shows that you are not interested. That you don't want Jesus. Your decision to trust those authorities without thoroughly questioning them and their work IS NOT a legitimate excuse. And that is what you have shown.
You are without excuse.
@@lukepoplawski3230 Seeing as how YT is performing its BS again, I'll try again.
The reason that location does not matter is that regardless of where you are in the world, you have the potential to learn to be humble. The world around always provides opportunities for the individual to be humble. For if you are humble, then when you meet Jesus, you will be open to receiving His gift. Therefore, NO ONE has an excuse. Be humble or be prideful. It's that simple.
It is also obvious from the world around us that there would be a Creator. For if you're able to think, you can recognize the patterns that will lead one to conclude that there is a Creator.
Having a hard time is an illegitimate excuse. If you lack the perseverance and resilience, you're clearly not committed.
If you lack the wisdom, you have the opportunity to ask for wisdom. You can ask for help. But if you're too prideful, especially when it comes to truly asking for help and actually trying to learn, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Let's first put the evidence on the table, AND THEN complain if people dont take it.
Thomas Aquinas dealt with this idea. He said to find common ground, axioms you can agree on, and work from there.
Many will not believe until they receive their own “Damascus Road” experience. For many that won’t happen this side of things.
I'm sorry to say that is what it took for me. If I could not experience it in what I thought was the "real' world I could not really believe. I'm very fortunate that Jesus was merciful to me.
How do you know there's another side of things
@@colinmatts I suppose I do not know there is, but I do believe there is.
@@walkitoff117 Why do you believe that?
@@colinmatts
I begin with:
Q:
Do I exist?
A:
I think therefore I am, so yes, I do exist.
Q:
Was I created or was I not created?
A:
Like produces like. Do I believe that cognition, sentience, consciousness and mind came from non-cognition, non-sentience, non-consciousness, and non-mind? No, I do not believe that…therefore, I believe I was created. With the caveat that I may be the product of an evolutionary process, I still believe that this process has at it’s genesis, mind.
Q:
So, if I believe I exist, and I do….If I believe I was created and I do…would I then believe that my existence, a product of some eternal mind, would persist only for the duration of my physical presence?
A:
No, I do not believe that, therefore, I believe that there is an existence beyond what we are currently experiencing, sometimes referenced as, “the other side of things”.
Been watchin ya for a couple months, ur videos bring this content to more ppl like me has like actually inspired me to look into the scientific evidence and just all evidence for God more. Thankyou for makin these ❤️✝️
You’re so welcome!
@EthanPatrick-so3fo ***spoiler alert*** there is no scientific evidence.
Good luck on your deconstruction journey and I hope to see you On the opposite side of Christianity soon then 😂
@@quintessence3991 @bigburrito308 Like what is the point of your comments? To bring actual truth to people or to try and drag people into your nihilistic worldview? A worldview that if followed all the way to its conclusion leads to pointlessness and hopelessness ... both worldviews theist and atheist start from presuppositions and at least the theist worldview makes logical inferences based on what we see in reality like design coming from intelligence.
Whereas atheism posits that nothing spontaneously explodes into producing everything? The same amount of scientific evidence that is lacking for Christianity is the same amount lacking for "proof" of non-belief.... Btw you can ignore the historical evidence if you want but it would be obvious to any historian that you then can't prove anything of antiquity IF you use the same level of scrutiny used on Christ's life, death, and resurrection.
Whatever is burdening you two, I hope one day you both can find your way to Christ, in Jesus name.
What evidence tho
I followed his logic: it undermines all the work to prove what he wants to believe. His view of science is to find the answers as he thinks they ought to be, not as they actually are.
John Lennox- NOTORIOUS for MOVING THE GOAL POST
Maybe I am just way off base, but it sounds to me like Dawkins is really saying; "it would undermine all the work they have done to try and 'prove' God is unnecessary"
@nameless - yes you're way off base with your ignorant comment. No real scientist is trying to prove God is unnecessary or real. Obviously something that does not exist cannot be proved or disproved. The responsibility always lies with Christians to prove your belief in God. The only reason why Atheists will not accept the God Delusion is because you cannot. You don't have any.....
The "experts" and the fools says in their heart "there is no God,"
but one day soon "the fool will no longer be called noble," and Dick will be out of a job.
He is saying that science attempts to explain how complexity arises from simplicity. But a god capable of complex creation would be very complex itself. So, if we say that such a god gave rise to the world’s complexity, it would push the attempt to explain complexity back one step, because now we have to try to explain the existence of such a complex being.
@@PraniGopu oh no, the dreaded 'one extra step' along side the dreaded complex God we can't quite understand the origin of, better just not think about it at all, because obviously if we can't explain it then it must not exist 😂
@@PraniGopu It sounded to me like he was saying that God renders evolutionary biology (EB) unnecessary because EB is about finding out how virtually nothing becomes the complexity of life that is our world and if God created it all, we didn’t come from virtually nothing and his work is for naught. What I don’t get is how that is any kind of argument against God.
Asking for the best answer almost assumes that there are multiple to choose from. I have found it increasingly satisfying to continue to hear reasons that I'd never heard of, and/or gain an understanding for those that I had not fully understand. As hard as it may be sometimes to fully grasp who God is and what God can do, it does make sense given all of what we have discovered. I think that he made things discoverable as a way for some to believe in Him.
If you need to believe in God there are plenty of options there for you. That is a comfort for those of us who find the idea of a God just another fantasy. At least we are all free to choose.
Very interesting. I was just having a discussion with my cousin, a retired surgeon about God. He was adamant and had the same opinion as Dawkins. Basically, he said that one cannot be a scientist and believe in God. I was able to somewhat disarm his position when I said that science has disproven the existence of God. He said that he didn't mean that science can disprove God but that science doesn't need God. I agree that Dawkins and others are hung up on facts and the scientific enterprise that facts explain everything. Also, Michael Polanyi attacked the myth of total objectivity years ago. There are many different directions to approach the question of the existence of God. It is personal.
15:34 “You exist because you are wanted” Wow this made me feel warm inside
Warm and fuzzy inside like a child opening gifts from Santa because they were good that year.
@@PurpleFiiilthI noticed you said in another comment there was no evidence of the supernatural, well at the moment, I believe at Harvard if I remember correctly, the “UFO” sightings, have new proposals and supernatural is one of them, actually a couple if I recall. The other proposals still didn’t tackle the biggest issues. There is actual evidence for the supernatural
yeah it is a beautiful lie. thats how religion works. its a beautiful lie. nothing more than that
@@EugenIustin it answers important big picture questions, atheism is basically just saying, “Nuh uh” to everything non materialistic
@@Studioustomcat9 there is nothing non materialistic
As an ex atheist, I came to the conclusion with all this complex, beautiful, purposeful creation around me that my only real argument was just saying, “NO” to God. I want to be god and no one will stop me from being my own god. That’s what I said.
_" I want to be god and no one will stop me from being my own god. That’s what I said."_
I don't believe you that you really thought this ever.....
@@markh1011 I find it quite bizarre why some Christians lie about previously holding different beliefs. I mean, they always do it to show how good Christianity is while demonizing the previous belief system. However, it just baffles me why they make such a stupid lie, like if you are gonna lie at least be smart about it. It's just so painfully obvious the reason behind the statement, and the lie this person is spouting about "wanting to be their own god" are only words I hear from Christians, not Atheists. And then you start to question "Why do they need to be deceitful if they have the truth?"
@@markh1011now you are ABillirons6277ist 😂 get it?
Reading Lord of the Ring helped me understand many complex ideas when I was younger.
I am trying to find the original video of the John Lennox clip here, but it doesn't seem to be linked or credited anywhere. Anyone know which video it is?
Addendum to my previous comment… Sometimes all the most reasonable, objective evidence in the world is insufficient because the hearer is so intransigent in their unbelief no amount of evidence will convince them… more importantly, I simply leave that person with my argument, knowing only God by His Holy Spirit can save… I am satisfied I have done my part… I leave them with the prayer, “ Your kingdom come, your will be done…”
But unfortunately, you have only presented your beliefs to that person, not any evidence. There is absolutely no evidence at all for the supernatural claims of the bible.
@@stevepierce6467thats wrong. and even if there was you would still not believe. Because the rejection of God is deeper than evidence, your reason is more ingrained which is what John Lennox is saying in this video
@@jakeschwartz2514 At least an honest admission that there is no evidence: "even if there was..." I do not "reject" god, I merely say that there is no evidence to compel me to believe in a god.
Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation?? I'm confused, what am I missing here?..
@@jakeschwartz2514 If there was real evidence of God, such as him regularly appearing on Earth and performing miracles, then of course we would all believe in him.
Knowing how is a good exercise of reason. Knowing why takes reason and adds to it soul and intuition and value.
Sometimes we simply cannot know "why," and it is intellectually honest to admit that.
Thank you for all your efforts. May God bless you and give you the strength to continue your excellent work.
I have never had such a good laugh. My OT and NT Warning Light was flashing like crazy the moment Richard talked. Great video. God Bless.
There is this game that some theists try to play when challenged about evidence. They pose the question "what would you accept as evidence?" ..or "what is your definition of evidence?" It's a stalling tactic. They have no intention of presenting evidence.
This has happened to me 3 times on this page. In all occasions I answered the question and they either ran off or lied declaring that I wouldn't accept anything as evidence. It's not a very successful tactic.
@@markh1011 you stand on the evidence .
“Challenged about evidence”. What do you have in mind?
@@MarkNOTW
_"“Challenged about evidence”. What do you have in mind?"_
I'm talking about being challenged on their evidence that their god is real. The title implies that atheists will never accept any evidence.
I will evaluate anything. Am I answering your question?
It undermines the whole evolutionary enterprise to posit a creator because Dawkins has an emotional bias against the creator and that would cause him to face his worst nightmare. I could spot an emotional bias a million miles away
Why does Dawkins hate God?
@@kathylinerode402 good question . We won’t fully know until he admits it and tells us but all
His arguments he’s made to date easily expose his views as emotionally biased . It’s atheists like him
, hitchens and dillahunty that helped me to start doubting my own atheism and eventually brought me back to belief in God
@@kathylinerode402
The parameters of life are enough reason to reject God. I believe in God, that's not the problem, the problem is accepting the philosophical Problem of Evil and still loving God.
I don't think it is bad or problematic to not want something like God is said to be to exist. In fact, I think it's healthy.
But you can't spot your own emotional bias even though it is right in front of you and not a million miles away. Your attempt to psychoanalyze Dawkins is pompous, condescending, and patronizing. The only nightmare here is in your mind. Christianity has ALWAYS been an appeal to emotion and was NEVER an appeal to reason and science until people started abandoning the "faith" by the millions in the last hundred years or so, as the acceptance of science became widespread. NOW that you are desperate to hang on and not go completely belly up, NOW you are cravenly attempting to enlist science to keep people from leaving for saner pastures. It's pretty pathetic to watch. Have you, at last, no shame?
"Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
(Luke 16:29-31)
When we are sad, we see things in a sad way, and ignore good things of life.
In life, lot of things is in the angle you see reality, when people put in their heads that God does not exist, their brain automatically will ignore every godly thing that happens in front of them.
As an agnostic-atheist, I really like what Lennox has to say about “the best argument for god.” It really seems true that different people require different routes in order to believe. It also seems true that leaving the faith has many routes too. I started an ex-Christian group as a support system to help cope with the loss, and it seems we all have wildly different things that caused us to stop believing. I find this point fascinating from a psychological perspective! If science could better understand this part of humanity I think it could greatly improve relations between people with different views.
You might find John Burke’s data interesting on medically verified NDEs.
i was agnostic for a long time. Until i started to realize how much evidence there was against atheism. Our reality is very complex and dynamic. i realized how hypocritical it was to believe there could not have been some sort of God like being while watching science fiction movies and reading science fiction books about us reaching out to the stars. i could say maybe our idea of God is over valuated. But to insist that it is not possible for anything else to be out there that helped create or guide us is absurd. Looking at various beliefs and religions from a broad perspective. A few things stood out. Much of academia is currently about promoting and maintaining propaganda. The approved narrative. That is not just regarding religion. You can find many people in the academic world who will admit this in private audiences. It also became clear. The vast majority of the most popular religions came from just a few variants. Regarding academia. Most of the foundational sciences. Are getting to the point where religious explanations are starting to seem like insight.
The quick of the journey. The Bible has 2 details that standout. It is full of prophecies. The largest portion of which. The world is currently rushing to fulfill. The Bible is also far more complex than what you will find talked about in 95% of churches. It is full of details hidden in plain sight. Messages not just for us humans. But for the enemy in the spirit realm. The cosmic war is fast approaching its conclusion. The Bible is a survival guide for us and a taunt for those who hate us and are trying to destroy us. That taunt is telling them that their time is short. Their replacements are coming from those that they tried to destroy.
My time is short, but while it is still possible. i encourage people to challenge me. For your own benefit.
My wife is ex Muslim and she also feels this sense of loss. She is an atheist just like myself but it is easier when you have already grown up without a religion.
Agnostic=I don't know. Atheist=I belive there IS no God. You gonna need to chose 😂
@@jonathanguyot624 I think they are mostly just words made up by religious people to confuse us. I say I'm "not religious" and I do not buy any of your religious nonsense, gods and all. If that makes me an atheist or agnostic then so be it.
I gave John C. Lennox's Book
can sciences explain everything,
to a friend for his birthday
@Infinty_in_Christ Do they still speak to you?
@@quintessence3991 yes, he is a christian like me 😉👍🏻, 🙏🏼✝️
Your comment sounds like Haiku or something.
I don't often see your videos, but when I do I appreciate them, and the thoughtfulness with which you put them together and the thoughtfulness of your commentary. John Lennox doesn't have just brilliance of knowledge, but has true understanding and wisdom, and seems to me to present it with humility. I appreciate your work. Blessings upon you and your endeavor here.
Can you please provide the link to the original interviews? Please and thank you.
Any evidence of ANYTHING supernatural would be a good start.
You don't believe in a sixth sense, a life after death experience, an outer body experience, ghosts, a hidden *inner* voice telling you something, aliens etc?????
You believe you and your family are related to cabbages???
@@marcj3682 Hilarious!
The only thing that dribble was evidence for, is that you are indeed a cabbage.
Or is it satire?
How about the odds of your existence and then the existence of life? Dolt
@@jakeschwartz2514 Pretty small but here we are. Every step from the Planck Epoch to planets forming to abiogenesis to evolution can be hypothesized and theorized as natural processes.
The odds of an omnipotent entity from another dimension magically poofed everything into existence from nothing are literally zero.
Pretty much every isolated civilisation on earth has made up its own myths and legends regarding origins and gods. It is human nature to make things up when we don't have all the facts and are afraid of the unknown. christianity, judaism and islam are no different.
We exist in a natural universe my friend, not a magical one.
@@jakeschwartz2514the odds are 100%. We exist, physical proof.
About How questions and Why questions. One difference between a Naturalist and a theist is their acceptance of what is a legitimate Why question and what is not.
6:04 my answer to that question that you raised about Dawkins is that to do so would require him to bend his knee to God and he does not want to do that
What evidence ? Put up or shut up
This channel has helped me and many. Kudos to you brother man ❤🤘
Glad to hear it! Glory to God!
No one questions the existence of the 'brain'. It is something that can be seen. What about the 'mind'? We can ask someone; "what's on your mind?" We can pressure someone to "make up your mind". We can not see the 'mind', yet we don't question its existence because of its relevance in our lives.
Thank you so much for every video 🔥
Glad you like them!
Interrupting each discussion with your interpretation of events is very disruptive, breaks ones attention, and assumes your listeners cannot think for themselves. Give us a chance to watch the clips in full, then give your interpretation to invite comment.
@@jaeUC27 speak for yourself, go back and rewind the video, or dont watch this channel and watch the full video and make your own interpretations.
I'm glad you made this video,Christianity is all about sacrifices, what you can sacrifice for God and humanity. l've always trusted God, and when I prayed, he answered me even when I was homeless and financially unstable
he sent a helper, Ms. Deborah Lee Clark, who advised me financially, and now I make 34k every 3 weeks! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. God bless🇺🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
God is more than enough for us, and his
mercy is new every morning. Hallelujah🎉🎉❤️
Isaiah 45:3 speaks of a transference of
riches from the heathen to the righteous... will give you the treasures of darkness and the riches hidden in secret... I received this for my household in Jesus' name. Amen!
I'm staying plugged in on this. I feel this is an opportunity for a major boost. How do you go about this?
What is it you do?
It is simply the digital market. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it
It's strange how studying chemistry in college made me a diest. I took a biochemistry course grossly ignorant of the topic and God became a definite reality when we got to the stereochemistry of amino acids. To others that's no biggie, but all I have to say as a retired polymer chemist is: then go ahead and make a protein using nothing but Plausible conditions for the Earth.
@@raygiordano1045 👍👍👍👍
Have to agree with you there! (Reference a few, or 1 sec, before 6:08 in the video.)
Dr. Dawkins assertion isn’t unpacked. It should be. It needs to be. Because without it comes off as illogical. Inconsistent.
Now, having listened to lectures by Ravi Zacharias where he explained Dr. Dawkins’ position, again, what I took away was, ‘it really takes more faith to be an atheist than a theist’.
Math alone will convict most about that.
Thanks for your videos, bro. Love ya.
How we got to be here is interesting, the “why” is just begging the question - it assumes there has to be a reason we’re here. At this point I’m convinced that there isn’t one.
The confirmed reality of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) by numerous independent authoritative bodies suggests there is more to our existence than naturalists may think.
HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH for WORSHIPPERS of the CREATOR and FOLLOWERS of JESUS CHRIST
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who believe their own LIES and false claims that -
1. the Creator is unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD
2. the Bible is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
will
naturally be hurt, offended, and angered by the BIBLICAL TRUTH
that
all persons on earth who honor and obey the Creator as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father in obedience to what were written in Matthew 22: 37 and John 17: 3
and willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ too in obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
will
definitely bring themselves honor and the Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
unitedly act, speak, think, and believe that they are greater, glorious, powerful, higher, and superior than Jesus Christ
will
naturally be hurt, offended, and angered by the TRUTH
that
in the Creator's right and proper time,
all the loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
Nature is about equilibrium i.e. everything must be in balance. You think it's an important question to ask, "how we got here". Wouldn't it be just as important and balanced, to ask, "where are we going?"
@@kurtwinslow2670 I’m of the opinion that we can’t know exactly what happens after death, if that’s what you’re getting at, but I equate it to my experiences before I was born - nil.
@@DonkasaurusNZ can you see my first comment or nah?
The best evidence for God is God himself.That is why the birth of the Holy Spirit is necessary for any of us to truly know.God.
Do you have evidence of the holy spirit? of Jesus Christ? of god the father? If no then you then you're just talking the talk.
Best circular logic ever!! Lolol
@tornay131 who you gonna start with? Man? Logic begins and ends with God if it is logic at all.
Peace
@zandor7097 creation itself bears testimony, repent and believe upon Jesus, and you will be saved.
@@johnbarry8553 no, your reasoning is circular. Useless. It explains nothing.
You're right, hence divine hiddeness. Look it up sometime in between sermons
I just don't believe something just because other people do, I still call that pretty sensible.
Sensible, logical, and RATIONALLY justified!
It is natural, rational, and even prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones.
Please keep posting! Peace.
Do not seek so much to find the answer as much as to understand the question better ✨️
To put his argument another way, it’s totally pointless for me to learn to play guitar, because someone else already figured it out, as such someone else having done it already completely defeats my enterprise of learning and bettering my understanding of music.
Exactly. Dawkins wants to tell everyone what to think. And he uses long paragraphs and self writing book to do it.
@@nathanielalderson9111 No. Dawkins wants people to think, not what to.
@@Drunkulayetagain-sw9io
Reeeeeaaaally?
Then there is a God, and I will follow him. I think Dawkins is a nutcase and fighting a losing battle.
@@nathanielalderson9111 I know the god character in the bible is a spiteful bitter maniacal child and I believe it's great that such a character is fictional.
@@Drunkulayetagain-sw9io
Nah. That's your own weird interpretation over-riding what He actually says.
But you'll find out the hard way, too late unless you do some serious in depth study of The Library we named The Bible.
May I suggest watching or reading Cold Case Christianity.
And Expedition Bible here on YT
It would be helpful if you linked the source video.
Itsa great help if one knows the spirit. Its an internal mentoring voice and much more. Renders this whole argument redundant. Internal mentoring voice can be activated in anyone. Ask me
Love this page. Ive never really been religious and i used to be an atheist growing up and into adulthood. But after looking at the "scientific evidence" for the origin of the universe, ive found theres zero evidence for tge big bang theory and only a creator could be the answer.
Honestly, even the Big Bang theory itself is evidence for a creator since it shows the universe had a beginning and is not eternal. This was why atheistic scientists spent so much time fighting it over the years. There are all kinds of theoretical explanations for what "banged" the Big Bang, but none so far have been able to definitively supplant the idea of a creator, especially when the problem is coupled with physical fine-tuning (which is what the multiverse theory was designed to counter). Stephen Meyer has some really good information about all of this in his book "Return of the God Hypothesis" and in interviews.
What did God create the universe from?
I mean, the Big Bang Theory was created by a Catholic priest haha
The Big Bang Theory is well supported by the evidence.
Which in itself is an interesting point. He derived the concept by working through Einstein's equations. And was an internationally recognised mathematician, theoretical physicist.
"If the living only knew what the dead knew, the world would be very different place." 🙏🙏🙏
@bernardclements Would it be a better place?
@@quintessence3991 Absolutely 💯💯💯
Death will definitely be a crash course in reality
Interesting..... I wonder why God doesn't just give us that knowledge then 😂
And if you tell me he does through the Bible then I would just tell you that that's the worst way for a God who can do anything to communicate anything...... He could just telepathically give us messages and things to do for the day to follow but of course that's not how it works for an all-powerful God who can talk to everybody at wants all the time 😂
I just don't have enough faith in The concept of God being retarded To admit that The Bible is probably correct 😂
@@bernardclements then why God is preventing the dead from speaking to us.
At one time everyone on earth believed it was flat. Few people believe that now. Religion explains everything, until we found out it did not.
So true.
You don’t need to believe, if you have evidence, you can accept things as true.
Atheist says: X is not evidence.
Theists says: X is evidence.
Scientist says: both of you need to understand the role of interpretation when analysing evidence.
The idea that "believe" equals "no evidence" is childish and tired. Do you believe the earth revolves around the sun? Sure. Why? Because there's good evidence to believe that. Anyone can believe anything. Evidence is about how well grounded said belief is.
@@Ashitaka1110
This is the meaning of the word believe, are you making up your own meanings?
1.
accept that (something) is true, especially without proof.
@@Ashitaka1110 In the words that will follow I am going to use the word "evidence" in exactly the same sense atheists use it when they demand "evidence" for God.
What evidence is there for the sky being blue?
What evidence is there for the existence of logic, mathematics; or morality?
What evidence is there for the existence of time?
Metaphysical beliefs are instrumental to understanding the world. They need not be "grounded" in anything other than their functionality/pragmatic utility.
If it works - it's worth believing.
If falsehoods work - they are also worth believing.
@@boxtrot5277 That definition is a stereotype, even if it comes from a dictionary. Dictionary definitions are not always "authoritative", especially if the use of the term pertains to the context within the given faith that expresses it. How the believer applies the term takes preeminence over the general dictionary definition, and the original intent behind the writers who used the term within a religious text takes priority/preeminence above a believer's subjective definition.
The conversation must be addressed from religious context, not dictionary definition.
To me it's just sad that people like Dawkins believe that is all he is. That's his call though. All we can do is wish him luck.
I don't think Dawkins gives a dam for luck, I know I don't.
@jerrylong6238 He and others of his ilk will need more than what does NOT exist- LUCK! GOD is SOVEREIGN. Nothing happens by CHANCE, aka LUCK!😊
Thinking that you exist brcause of trillions of random events leading up to your existence is far more wow and wonderous than thinking a magical sky man wished you to existence. The universe's wonder becomes far more dull when you imagine somebody made it.
@@Tobeesho God is also a make-believe fairy tale we apes started to keep our offspring in line. But the problem is an awful lot of our offspring has trouble evolving out of it and that's a crying shame.
A rare but appreciated and related thought of a little sarcasm by Brandon and me. Both of us agreeing that God is such a physicist He made physics and the people who study it. 7:35 - 7:50.
John Lennox is excellent.
... at waffle, yes
It comes down to nothing produces nothing; you need something or someone, it's as simple as that but so very profound. Love from a pure heart is the most beautiful, inspired and of a real divine nature that we can experience in our life and yet it is not organic, biological, chemical nor it is a product manufactured from some material in a factory.
There's zero evidence that there was ever nothing. And putting a supernatural being into that situation is just childish whimsy.
@@Drunkulayetagain-sw9io Ok, I've made a theological and philosophical attempt to make sense of life, love and truth. It's your turn now to tell the world what triggered life in the first place, love, faith, hope, justice, compassion, sincerity, etc and everything that we see around us.
By saying that "There's zero evidence that there was ever nothing" you've fallen into your own trap for you admit that there was God, the author and giver of life; the only thing that makes sense.
Both our heart and, more correctly, our brain are all of those things...organic, biological and electro-chemical. That doesn't make the emotion of love any less real; they are simply the means by which such emotions function. That is why emotions can be affected by the introduction of other chemicals (aka drugs) for good or bad.
@@Drunkulayetagain-sw9ioif you’re a true atheist, you ought to act like it. Disband your entire moral compass, hate everything because nothing has meaning. You are nothing. You are meaningless. You have no purpose. Life has no value. Something comes from nothing. An intelligent, articulate world full of value comes from pure chaos and meaninglessness. Sure.
Read some Aquinas if you want to see logical proof for an argument as to why God exists. Causality is step one. What was the first cause in your eyes I wonder?
@@Drunkulayetagain-sw9ioreal Camus’ “the stranger” and live like that if you’re a true atheist. Hope to see you in the news soon!
If you attempt to get to the how, without God, you will get neither the how, or the why. If you discover, and embrace the why of God, He will show you the how.
So you say
@@michaelyork4554 To date, all God has made me realize is how cruel he can be.
I'm still waiting. How much longer do you think it will take. I guess until I am dead at this rate.
Many scientists have gotten a lot of the “how” without believing in God. But you’re right, not the full picture yet. The picture painted so far implies a big, fat N/A for the “why”. It’s a real bummer! Yet humanity strives onward.
@@DM-dk7js The focus is not on whether he is "just claiming God will show you it" or not, He's making a more important observation that if you deny God's existence, you will never get these answers, which does indeed appear true. If you do not choose a pathway toward God, then the pursuit toward ultimate purpose and the answers to the deepest questions would appear futile.
Just look at all of the skeptics and atheists ahead of you in life. There are people in their '50s, '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s, and even over 100 years old, STILL wondering whether or not God exists. The trajectory/pathway of the skeptic does not truly lead to answers to the deepest questions, it only leads to a person "feeling rational", and if considering yourself rational takes higher priority than finding these answers, then it would appear that one has lost sight of what is most important.
This is one of the greatest problems with skepticism, and feeling rational as a skeptic while having no answers does not seem wise, even if at first glance it appears it is, and thus would imply a type of illusion within the skeptic's perspective.
The initial comment makes a very good point.
The part where he said God would have to be pretty darn smart...yea...exactly
The example is given in the story of the Manna From Heaven... for 5 days the bread rotted put on the 6th day, that bread lasted through the 7th day, so if you took the evidence based on the prior 5 days you would never know that bread given the day before the Sabbath would last forever...
It's not that evidence isn't enough. It's that you don't understand what evidence is.
Yup
I don't much care. If your god entity is truly omnipotent as it is claimed, he will be able to make himself totally and convincingly "evident" beyond any doubt.
@@stevepierce6467 agreed that's why I don't have a god.
@@icbmh3079 Oops! I misread your comment. Agreed!
@@stevepierce6467 " If your god entity is truly omnipotent as it is claimed, he will be able to make himself totally and convincingly "evident" beyond any doubt."
Cough, cough.
He did.
His name was Jesus.