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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Stephen C. Meyer, PhD, is a philosopher of science, the director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute, and the author of several books, including "Darwin’s Doubt: The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design," and "The Return of the God Hypothesis." Download his free mini-book "Scientific Evidence For A Creator" at www.stephencmeyer.org. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
As an agnostic, I find this man presents the most compelling evidence for intelligent design. Add to that fact, he does it without the smug righteousness that many Christians exhibit, which ironically, only turns most atheists or agnostics off in the first place. More flies with Honey than with fire and brimstone.
seems he lives by the bible verse 1 Peter 3:15 and 2 Timothy 2:15.
Great episode.
A lot of people here are upset with the way Joe is furiously questioning his guest's ideas, but i think the way Joe "grills" his guest makes the overall philosophical value of this conversation only higher!
He is just asking the questions what atheists would ask... its ok..
If your idea can't stand the hardest questions it's invalid.
Like so many, Joe is coming around to the fact that we live in a purpose-built realm! Evolution is the necessary conclusion of those who want to rule us and replace God with themselves, and it is an idea that existed way before Darwin wrote the Origin of a Species. People who believe they are created in the image of an all-powerful God do not bow to pretenders.
@@Jayf1981well said Jay
Seems that Joe makes assumptions about what the guest is trying to say, because Joe is confused about what the guest is actually trying to say.
Dude is the epitome of don’t take it personally 👍 smooth job, traversing those pitfalls without getting stuck 🫡
the gospel of Jesus Christ - commands you to take it personally - if you don't then you do so at your own peril
- His message is - repent or perish
IF stephen is a christian - then he should be portraying that everyone SHOULD take it personally
@@kablammy7I think you may have misunderstood the complement being given to Stephan here. He is able to defend his position for not only God, but the God of the Bible without losing his temper even when faced with someone being stubborn or misrepresenting the arguments being made. We are told in scripture by Paul to confront our opponents with "gentleness". Meyer was successful in that here. He deserves respect and to be commended for keeping his cool and presenting the evidence for God in a kind and respectful manner. Peter also speaks of showing respect in this way. Well done Meyer 🙏✝️🙏
@@kablammy7
2 Timothy 2:24-26 ESV
[24] And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, [25] correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, [26] and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
1 Peter 2:12-17 ESV
[12] Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation. [13] Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, [14] or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. [15] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. [16] Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. [17] Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
1 Peter 3:14-17 ESV
[14] But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, [15] but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, [16] having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. [17] For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.
@@Christus.Invictus
thanks for your input - however - i think it you who do misconstrue -
first off - i would not give reference to a poem that ends with the words ->
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I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.
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UNLESS i had NOT the Spirit of God teaching me that -> that is the worst fallacy that a man can conceive ( think about nimrod - the epitome of pride in the work of one's own hands and mind ) ( aside from nebuchadnezzar )
i think i understood and replied to the complementary comment as it was written - albeit - maybe they did not mean it exactly as they wrote it - and that fact alone would give some credence to your concern of my possible misapprehension .
- furthermore - i think you have interwoven your most ideal thoughts of stephen's approach into your conceived misappropriation scenario -
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i have no qualms or quibbles concerning stephen's actual information or presentation - my complaint was totally directed at what stephen lacks - and pointedly that is exactly the Spirit of truth - no complaints of the data or conception of that data .
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it is indicative of the carnal mind that has no understanding of the spirit - similar to what the teachings of everything in the roman catholic world portrays .
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there are two religions in the world
1 - all false - human centered religions - that magnify the creation or the works of creatures ( this includes MANY people who think they are doing good works for God and they may even call themselves christians )
2 - the one true - God centered religion - that magnifies the work of the Creator
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anyone who does not have the Holy Spirit - and do not show the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the world is not doing the work of God - they are doing the work of their own hands - aided by their own imaginations because without the Spirit of God - their ONLY understanding is carnal and NOT spiritual to any capacity whatsoever - it is written - the natural mind CANNOT understand anything of the Spirit
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since i do not hear the true gospel from those who consistently magnify the creature - i do not have witness in the Spirit that they are one with God in their message
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the whole purpose of this world is to glorify God - He will be glorified by exhibiting all of His attributes in everything that happens in this world
Steve Meyer has engaged in discussion and debate with many intelligent scientists, philosophers and thinkers. Rogan asked some great questions, but his questions are nothing new to Meyer.
Dr Meyer is very respectful, debates well and communicates effectively. He's fun to listen to.
Totally agree. Dr Meyer displays the quality of humility of a great scholar.
Came across as totally delusional
He is a natural educator.
@@johnbatson8779 I mean, you could say that about anyone that has an opinion about this stuff because ultimately there's no clear right answer at the end of the day
Knowing that God exist give me so much joy. Otherwise life will be pointless.
Stephen Meyer, a man of grace.
If you call being dishonest and feeding into the delusions of vulnerable gullible victims of the christian religion "grace" then yeah....
Truly. This man has been my man crush for 7 months since discovering a few things. Namely God. We came to the same conclusions almost the same way. And once past the conclusion and onto acceptance and asking, it's a new world. His demeanor and delivery is one of a kind. There's a calm in him. Grace.
If only rogan challenged Terrance Howard & Billy Carson like he pressed this man smh
Joe is infuriating in this podcast. Stephen offers actual empirical evidence over and over and Joe just says “well maybe new tech in the future will disprove that”
@@Jessemfguirehe offered virtually no empirical evidence. What herbs are you smoking
A lot of people here are upset with the way Joe is furiously questioning his guest's ideas, but i think the way Joe "grills" his guest, makes the overall philosophical value of this conversation only higher.
Zion
Good point! @@KasparOne
Well. I give respect to Joe for having Steve on. Steve is an incredible brilliant mind of our day.
Stephen C. Meyer should come on every time he drops a new title.
Dr. Steve Meyer is a brilliant scientist and philosopher. He still remains such a humble and likeable man. I have so enjoyed his contributions. May God bless you with many years to discover and share more, Dr. Meyers!
God bless you, too!
Ya bro. I agree with point of view of Dr. Steven but I imagined myself in his place, I would have lost my cool middle of the debate. May God give this man more blessings and guidance.
he didnt say a single scientific thing
@@godlychrixal9520 If multiple organs work in harmony towards one goal. If its not design, I dont know what it is.
@@zasyed114 thats survival and evolution at play :)
Thank you for having this educated, logical, respectful man of God! As a scientist myself and having come to the same conclusion of the undeniable Creator of all, I respect the bravery to defend that truth. Thanks Joe. Keep questioning. And when you search earnestly as I believe you are doing, you will find God.
Joe... please don't discount all Stephen said because you can't know something in the future. As C.S. Lewis said, "I spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts, when I realized I needed to come to grips with what I know to be true. I've since moved from questions that I cannot answer, to answers that I cannot escape and it has been a great relief."
What a fantastic quote!
Amen brother
God Bless Joe Rogan for having enough wisdom and sense to know that Dr Stephen Meyer is special enough to have
repeatedly as a guest and engage him as long as he does,
Dr. Meyer is a very quiet gift to the world. You either know of him or "who?". He's brilliant. His perspectives and perceptions have opened many minds. Blessed.
Rogan has wisdom? What a revelation haha.
You do realize that if god were a real concept , he wouldn’t be having this crisis ?
He has no proof just his want ….we made the code ,we made the quantify that allows these to be measured ,we also made god …..
If god were a real thing we wouldn’t need to be punished…he wouldn’t even know what punishment is ,everything ever was his plan !
I can guarantee you god had nothing to do with the origin of life !?
@@jgage2344the difference between ur rambling and Stephen’s dissertation level conversation is stark and isn’t winning you anyone to your way of thinking
Even as a kid I thought evolution was a simplistic way to explain something so complex. Randomness creating everything around us is laughable.
I just love Stephen, love all his talks. Just like Dr. James Tour…love scientists that love God too…
Stephen is a book writer and James tour does screaming youtube videos. They are complete jokes in the scientific community.
Jokes on the sc com, what have we learned these past podcasts with weinstin and covid?
@@dealerovski82 What are you talking about? Once again, zero people in the scientific community take weinstein seriously. He hasn’t contributed anything to modern day science. Do you listen to any scientists who actually make contributions to science? Arm chair contrarians are seriously all you have? Weinstein speaks against the scientific community because they don’t accept his absolute gibberish papers. Please provide me with someone who actually contributes to science. Not just angry authors.
@@jessec4443 well that is your opinion, but Stephen has credits behind him and Jim has boatload of patents in microbiology…..so what the sci com might think is jealousy and nastiness.
@@piratessalyx7871 Stephen has a few degrees in the philosophy of science. He had published ONE paper, and it was explaining his dislike for evolution. That is literally his only contribution to academia, and it was a philosophical critique. He’s not even a scientist. You realise owning patents has absolutely nothing to do with contributions to science. Anyone can own a patent. It doesn’t even have to be work or do anything. I agree with the rest of the scientific community, when I say ‘James Tour is a complete and utter joke’. Once they both start making progress in the field of science I will gladly consider their ideas. I think you should carefully consider which professionals you should be focusing on. If these two are the highest authorities in your eyes, then you need to reevaluate your approach to understanding science.
This is the ONLY interview I've seen Joe be just flat out disrespectful and combative. It's like it took everything in him not to even want to see it from his guests point of view. Almost like he was afraid it MIGHT have him questioning his own BS.
He only gets like this when people talk about religion or dislike weed
To be fair to Joe its VERY VERY difficult to remain cool when talking to these idiots.... The way they peddle such total bullshit as facts, its insulting to the person on the receiving end, so Joe actually did well keeping his cool if you ask me.
I thought Joe was hungover, at first…
…then Joe became more and more guarded, even to the point of thinking narrowly. I was surprised. He proposed a huge multi universe, but didn’t ask Meyer how he touches God. It’s ok Meyer probably meditates and prays, a good enough action.
In the end Joe intensely pushed his psychedelic ego. My Mom had a psychedelic drip and electric shocks, in Alberta, Canada, so contributed to the experimental trials 😱.
Meyer’s response as to what the goal is saying I t’s the designer’s goal, and that is to restore his relationship between the Creator (God himself) and us (the creation, including animals). Charismatics have an honest pursuit, and become ecstatic without psychedelics.
Part of the problem here is:
I’m not Catholic, nor is Stephen Meyer. I don’t believe that taking the bread (host), and grape juice (sometimes wine) is actually the flesh & blood of Jesus, proclaimed by priests. I’m pretty sure Joe, as a child, took the blood and flesh in his child’s mind. To me that is a demonic act, forced upon him.
@@benskinner1713 *_The way they peddle such total bullshit as facts_* Like? Give an example please.
@benskinner1713 number one: did you listen to his argument?
Number 2: does Joe blow a fuse when people talk about their trippy experiences on DMT? If someone takes psychedelics and says "bro, the machine elves told me we're interconnected and we should love each other", Joe is all ears and does NOT push back the way he did here. He should at least be consistent.
I struggled with my faith a lot, when I was younger. I watched Professor Meyers lectures to show that science does have evidence for the Christianic belief. Thank you for having him on the show and delving deeper into his psyche!
Finally, the full episode which should have more views than Katt Williams and Terrence Howard combined.
Very smart man ! Why can’t we get politicians like him ? Can you imagine ?
1:37:00 Joe raises a good point but I would counter by saying most people would acknowledge that going to the gym and eating right are 100% better for them and would lead to a healthier more fulfilling life. HOWEVER, MANY people still don’t do it. They don’t just suddenly love going to the gym and feel drawn to it.
God is different. Your switch can get instantly flipped and it doesn’t make ANY sense. ESPECIALLY, when having it flipped actually causes everything you felt was important and worked for to now appear worthless.
It’s counter intuitive.
Unless it’s happened to you just can’t understand it.
I used to snicker at “born again” Christians. Even as a self professed Christian myself. THEN God flipped my switch :)
Now I’m crazy just like them 😂
@@stevrgrs I'm glad you submitted your will to the Highest
It’s called maturing. Not god my friend. But whatever makes you happy I guess.
Blissful ignorance.
That same switch can work the other way too. One day you may suddenly start realizing god isn’t real.
@@Gruwg2024 Less likely.
@@duracellbattery4829So he started believing in God because he "matured," not because God is real? Then why would believing in God be a sign of "maturity," then?
This was kind of difficult to listen to. Joe grilled this guy so insanely hard on literally every point.
I wish rogan would have questioned those two nutty guys he had on I think it was Terrence Howard and Billy carson, they were just spouting what sounded like bizarre off the wall pseudoscience rubbish but rogan didn't seem to question them very much for some reason
@@steventhompson399 The idea of a God that people will have to face on judgement day makes people uncomfortable, and so they respond by pushing back disproportionately hard, the way Joe did here.
Many points which the guest didn't even raise. Rogan isn't following along, is arguing against what he assumes the guest is talking about.
@@davidadiwego4608god and I will have a good joke about fools like Meyer
@@johnbatson8779 Meyer is a Fool? He has earned a PHD in philosophy and philosophy of science at Cambridge. He also debated and had discussions with brilliant minds from all over the science and philosophy world. If you think Meyer is a fool, then who do you think is intelligent?
I understand Joe's perspective because I once sounded like him on this subject. Sounded like that for 40 years. Wasn't raised with it, wasn't introduced to it, but I now find myself claiming whole hearted to be a Christian in my faith. There's nothing that can be said to change a mind that doesn't want to. And it's not about changing one's mind, really. My mind didn't change, I just found the truth. I'm sure I've got some things wrong. Absolutely. But follow whatever you want to. History, math, biology, physics. It all leads to one place. And when you ask with an open and true heart, a promise is kept. A truth is revealed. And there's no way to deny it. I followed the science like Dr. Meyer. It's just where it lead. Magic isn't real, until the day it is.
“I can see how comforting it can be for you to think that way” says Joe trying to discredit someone else with his own way of thinking that is comforting to him because he doesn’t believe God. Ironical
give joe enough time and it all comes down to drugs and aliens.
😂😂😂
Ain't that the truth!
One cannot explain the spiritual to someone who has made up their mind there is no such thing and has never experienced it.
Same as someone unconscious to spirituality... would nvr question how three of there colleges recently all passed in tragic accidents😮
Exactly. It's pointless.. someone who is committed spiritually have already gone through the denial phase of trying to rationalize their experiences. But when they accumulate over years, it gets harder to convince yourself that it's all coincidental, so you have to make a decision: surrender or keep denying.
I myself surrendered to god.
Everyone is on their own spiritual journey is the only thing I have found to be true.
Someone once told me you can only primarily communicate spiritual truths by your state of being. Explanation through words is only secondary to that. I think thats true
That was deep.Well done Joe and Stephen.👏
Just, one of my favorite guests. Let's get it on.
Meyer is darwinists worst nightmare
He can easily be disproven@@TyrellWellickEcorp
@@nunskybuilds5704 Your argument has no purpose in our conversation. Everybody can whatever and whatever the whatever. Thanks
#Showyourmath2024
And then one day, absolutely nothing came from absolutely nowhere and became a quantity that we understand is everything. Whatever everything is. Lol...
@@nunskybuilds5704 No he can’t be lol. I’ve seen him debate high stature scientists who never successfully refuted any of his arguments
BASED Meyer
At least he can spell
Rogan is super BASED. You BASED as well. Me too.
What's your point?🤷
BASED 🗿
Say you're from the dumbest generation without saying you're from the dumbest generation...
This interview confirms what I've suspected of the famous illustrated fool. Not that I tune in regularly.
Seems like Joe is the one desperately wanting God not to exist. Also very arrogant toward his guest
I wonder if joe realizes that he doesn't press non biblical or secular views using the bible like he presses biblical views using secular thought. He should.
Why would he. The bible is just one of many books and is no ultimate arbiter. Why wouldn’t he use ancient Mayan teachings or texts, they are written by people too? Your statement makes no sense.
@rarebirdjones I think he should bc the bible is the topic in several of the answers. Just use a more balanced approach. I don't think there is anything wrong with him using other writings or secular ideas just don't leave the bible out of that process. It's there too.
I’m so happy he has him in here. Please don’t compare him to Terrence or Billy. This man knows actual science. Whether you agree with him or not is fine but he’s not a kook
Meyer makes some great arguments
I watched this episode when it came out. I remember thinking that Joe asked some touch questions which is great. Its unfortunate that he doesn't do the same with other folks like Graham Hancock and co. I remember when Hancock suggested the large stones that made up the Pyramids were levitated there by audio waves from people chanting...zero pushback from Joe.
Lol yeah I don't get it. Sometimes rogan asks good or tough questions, but sometimes he doesn't really push back at all even when it seems obvious someone is full of crap like Graham Hancock or Terrence Howard or Billy carson
First off I think Hancock has some good info but goes too far with assuming magical stuff! But you couldn't grill those guys , their not real scientists. We all know that, their entertainment, real science needs to be challenged.
@@user-lc1np7mr7u the problem is that some people do see it as truth. Joe has repeated his talking points many times.
@ProductofNZ I think joe takes this more serious, there's more meat on the bone.
Joe was insufferable on this. Stephen cites like 50 experts and Joe is like
"sO YOu bElieVe iT beCaUse oTheR pEoPle sAiD sO?!"
Joe should have read or was briefed on Dr. Meyer's 3 books and all his conclusions BEFORE he sat with Stephen. I hope this is better than the first interview.
Excellent conversation and very difficult questions by Joe. I appreciate the candor and grace of Dr. Meyer.
It's actually Not hard to keep up with him, if you have the capacity to, and your mind is open to new information and Not stuck on previous "knowledge"
What he's saying makes perfect sense. If you're building something complex, you can't change a minor detail on a fundamental level, and not expect a completely different outcome. And if you change something in a big way, whatever it is you're building, will not come to fruition
Rogan says "I want to hear what your viewpoint is on this...." and then when Stephen Meyer this is what I believe" Rogan tries to convert him to his point of view."
@@matt200matt
Whatever excuses or reasons Rogan gives he’ll never escape the truth substantiated by fulfilled prophesies.
I don't think Joe was trying to convert Dr. Meyer to his point of view as much as it was that Joe was desperately insistent that Dr. Meyer's POV couldn't *possibly * be correct because that would require Joe to re-examine his entire world view, and that would threaten the very core of who he is; if psychology has taught us one thing, it's that humans will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid examining our core beliefs once they are set.
Why am I being flooded with Old Rogan podcasts?
I was thinking the exact same thing wtf is going on?
I think they are uploading the podcasts which were exclusive to spotify.
Because they are shady the heat came through
@@niikiitssflood me with every podcast what a patient geniune genius. That's hard work playing this role especially if your not interested. Thanks Joe and guest speakers! Meet the World!
Jamie just uploaded 500+ vids from the podcast ...Thats what someone was saying on another video.
Huge fan of Dr. Meyer. Great job!
I totally understand Dr Stephen, I became Christian in 2005 by my own choice and around there I was experiencing this "powerful force", extremely powerful love that would cause me to rethink my actions, or bring this sense of conviction. And as "a good person" as I thought I was, like most people, I was selfish still before "encouter" this power... When you study the bible you know that is the Holy Spirit, a supernatural power that Rogan doesn't get it, he has been trying to rationalize the power... It's quite simple, I bet Rogan can be generous, even towards strangers, however, he is still selfish in nature. Would he put others ahead of his own interests? Would he have actions to save a stranger's life? That's the kind of selfisness Dr Stephen is talking about, and this powerful love is unexplainable! A burning fire in your chest, genuine peace. When you feel this power, you will want to forgive and even hug anyone who has "tormented" you for years, your own "enemies". And that doesn't come from you, it comes from the power.
Beautifully stated!
🙄
Stephen owned that fool!
Stephen is a literal joke in the scientific and philosophical community. Absolutely zero scientists take him seriously. He is a book writer with some incorrect ideas, and that’s it.
@@jessec4443
Prove it.
@@MrXatcloud The burden of proof is on you to show that he has contributed anything to the scientific field.
No, they just had a nice discussion! ☺️👍🏻
@@jessec4443 Wrong. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim! You claimed he hadn't contributed anything serious and that his ideas are incorrect. So prove it!
This is probably the most interesting dialogue I have seen in my entire life, and I am sure I will get back to it a lot of times in the future.
If I were that judge, I would have replied to Darrow's defense : "I am sentencing these two to death because of the infinite forces at work through the millions of years of evolutionary processes have programmed me to do so."
Couldn't you also say "I'm not sentencing them, because my evolution is telling me not to"?
@@419 You could, but not me.
@@LLPOF Okay well it's just your opinion vs mine then. So why is yours right?
@@419 Well, if I believe as you do and I have no objective standard for moral values, then yes, you are correct, it is just your opinion vs mine. I believe this wondrous universe has meaning because of the righteous God who created it and has established a basic morality in everyone's heart. That is why I think I am correct. You, of course, can follow your own path. You have that right.
@@LLPOF I believe the same thing you do. I just assumed that since you used evolution as a basis for your moral judgement that you didn't have a true objective source of morality.
This guy is talking at an A+ level, super interesting, and the questions are C level. Just let this guy go.
This is an ID historian of science, but Joe keeps going personal. He doesn't ask why, where, who, how of ID science. Instead he goes to personal theology and philosophy. Joe needs to run this back 100%
This has been the greatest podcast I’ve ever experienced. These two are my intellectual hero’s
Heroes
God help us all!!!
Stephen I can understand but Joe is not an intellectual giant.
You must be seeing double. There is only one Dr. Stephen Meyer and he's not a twin as far as I know.
Thank ‘god’ Joe Rogan actually showed up for this one 💪🏽
Great conversation
Principalities who sitting in high places unseen nor seen come HERE IN FRONT AND REMIND!
Joe, with all due respect, you're so full of crap with your pushing of psychedelics as the causation and method behind religion. One man says he studied the Dead Sea scrolls and took psychedelics now believes Christianity is now based on the use of them while no reference in the bible to them. This is just your rationalization of religion in the world rather than by evidence and faith. Every religious conversation devolves into the taking of hallucinationgens. It's really annoying, factually inaccurate along with the physical damage these drugs do to the mind and brain of humans. Study and research what has been discovered before you jump to the easy out of drugs is the answer. Grow up a little. Much of the world has belief with no drugs but what the body naturally produces. I'm so sick of the drug angle. It's so much more deep than some drug ritual. It's sad you don't take the time to discover real faith in God....
Easy on Joe, pray for him. God saves, Joe just doesn't know he needs it yet. Many parables about Jesus coming to save the sick and needy and oppressed. Joe is none of those things (yet) and will need our love and prayers to overcome his obsession with psychedelics.
Tattoos are like cigarettes. A fool's game.
@@jodihouts6032to hell with JR. It's about time Christians call out the rich and famous atheists. I used to be one myself. And to hell with the other cheek. It's the face of evil materialism. 31:54
Joe needs to get Iain McGilchrist on
I don't understand the willingness to excuse bad behavior on circumstances, stress, background, and other variables like determinism while excluding good behavior on the very same reasoning. So much emphasis is put on the why someone chooses to do something evil in order to explain it away without giving the same emphasis on those who choose to do 'right' under those very same circumstances.
This would go over so many people’s head. Especially the people who support Meyer. I hope you take satisfaction of me appreciating this comment. Took the words right out of my brain
it’s more explaining why someone might do something rather than excusing them doing it
Well I think most Christians would argue that we are only able to do anything good by the grace of God. It's by our own volition that we sin, but if we choose to cooperate with grace, God grants us the ability to achieve incredible things in spite of our weaknesses
@@borgwardd24That's closer to a Reformed understanding of things, so Presbys and some Baptists. 👍🏻
Wouldn't it be nice to have politicians who were this articulate?
Angels who persevere and heard the WORD come here in front and remind!
Great Joe. You press him to tell you about his personal religious beliefs. Then you proceed to lecture the esteemed Cambridge professor about how deluded he is.
Glad to see the full interview up.
JR tried everything, but couldn´t
Remember thy shared "i" AM came with sincere conversations given just for thee!
1:44:10 Joe: “Yeah, but also you want a very particular truth, that you seem to have experienced, to be true. Like, this experience with God. This experience with this, this sort of frequency that you feel that if you achieve that, you are on, the world works in a more harmonious way.”
Stephen: “Yeah I would say, uh, I’m not trying to conjure up something, it’s just been something that has…”
Joe: “No one’s accusing you of that.”
Stephen: “Yeah. Yeah.” Incredibly smoothly shakes off the accusation and the claim that there was no accusation in it. How does this man stand it? Where is his breaking point?
I had theological questions at a young age too. I remember asking my mom when I was 7 yrs old if God made us, then who made God? It was the first time I ever heard her say, "I don't know"
Isn’t this the exact same podcast uploaded nearly a year ago? Episode 2008 and we’re already well beyond that.
I just got #1999 with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
For certain these are on a ban list and the AL-GORE-RHYTHM is getting funky 🕺 🪩
These are the old episodes from the spotify, i assume.
@@KasparOne Ye they uploaded all the Spotify episodes simultaneously
Joe and Stephen did this episode like pros
Rogan was out of his league during this interview.
@@SaintNektarios a little yea 😂
Certainty is overrated, considering there is no such thing, seeing as we can't prove anything beyond I exist. Stephen is based for saying he's had experiences which make him more confident, as faith is trust in something reliable and nothing is more reliable than God.
Based
Top 10
Specially unto my 7 churches!
Joes preloaded debate stance ruins it
Indeed!
Joe is way out of his depth for this conversation.
😂stole my comment... Any words after "fundamental challenges " Or the like completely puts him into catch up mode.
Students will say Lord have to be given New eyes to see LET THEM SEE! Indeed.
Lost a lot of respect for Joe with this experience. Don't understand why he thought being combative was the way to go. Though I am not a religious person myself, I find Stephen Meyer to be very engaging and interesting.
Specially seeing Who sitteth upon the Clouds resting upon the NEW Permanent Foundation and HUMILITY stood up and dwelling within thee all!
Joe is playing typical Internet skeptic when it comes to matters of religious belief. he turns that skeptical dial up to 11 where he’d normally have it at five for anyone else. Why doesn’t he have a biblical scholar on to talk about the origins of revelation and end times prophecy or biblical inerrancy? Instead he spouts off like the Bible is one book written by Church authorities hundreds of years later and has been lost in translation when that’s not the case at all.
Joe sounds at times like he is stil hallucinating
Not concerning thee my Host Stephen! Thank you for attending unto our OWN! But ye know?
This was an interesting conversation. Calm on both sides. Helped me to assess the arguments fairly.
Joe, you have too many Christians praying for God to open your eyes and heart.
Get William Lane Craig on
Second that
Yes, and Dr Hugh Ross.
I like hugh Ross and I'm not even a Christian. I was raised by young earth creationists but intellectually matured enough to realize it was garbage, so I like how Ross argues against that and explains how we know the earth is way more than 6000yrs old@Isaiah538
@steventhompson399 Yeah, he's great at explaining how modern science does blend well with the Bible. As a Caltech astrophysicist, he works it out very well. Without wrecking the integrity of the Scriptures. It's a beautiful thing.
I doubt any evidence would be enough for Joe.
Exactly
That’s the case for a lot of people actually. It’s not about proof or logic. That’s why faith is the key.
57:00 It doesn't matter how much tech increases. It is not going to change our understanding of the fact that if we rewind time everything is converging to a single area/point. That won't 😢change. What might change is our understanding of the very beginning of the universe, since we don't exactly know what happened at the beginning. Science this well understood doesn't change.
Rogan keeps picking this man up on points he doesn't make.
Man: "I like cats"
Rogan: "but what makes you think you could kill a tiger?"
Oooo it won’t happen but imagine Voddie Baucham on here 🫢
Joe you know when you have an experience with God. Obviously you have not had this in your life. But you know when you know when you know.
I just feel like Joe smokes too much weed to understand a lot of simple things. Here's an example: Meyers says that it was Christianity that lead to science, Joe responds "well that doesn't mean they were correct". Joe's point is that discovering science doesn't mean they were correct about Christianity. Meyers point is that Christianity is the reason that science came to be. Do you see how the two have nothing to do with each other?
Yeah, it wasn’t that difficult to understand what Stephen was saying. Either Joe was being intentionally obtuse or the drugs really are frying his brain.
In my estimation, Joe Rogan is suffering from a bit of mental fog; he just seems to not quite be able to follow what I consider to be basic scientific explanations (starting with Dr. Meyer's explanation of the cell processes).
However that same science came to the conclusion of evolution that questions the existence of god?
The crusades weren’t exactly benevolent, compassionate or intelligent. Many horrors and unscientific things have come out of Christianity? Salem witch trials, slavery all these things were perpetuated by followers of Christ.
Good things have come from Christianity but people have also done horrors.
Science has borrowed from many other cultures too, botany, knowledge of agriculture, philosophy, algebra, astronomy etc. Other religions and cultures contributed to science as well, not only Christianity.
@@methinmycheerios99 Science was invented by Christian monks. Nietzche first made the observation that Christianity developed science and science then undermined Christianity, so what you're saying isn't new. The Crusades were a consequence of Islamic aggression which is basically a waring religion. The practice of slavery, despite existing everywhere for all of time, was ended by Christian evangelicals. It still exists in parts of the Islamic world. And yes, some people who call themselves followers of Christ have done bad things. That is not a reflection of the teaching of Christ, so much as it is a reflection that we are all flawed and continue to wrestle with good and evil, sometimes the evil wins. But what does any of this have to do with my comment?
The point is: science is an emergent result from the accumulation of human knowledge that arises from: math, engineering, and philosophy, experimentation. And probably more.
So to say that science was really invented by any religious tradition I think is reductive and doesn’t answer “how did science emerge?”
For example: the iPhone could not have emerged without our understanding of computer engineering, metal mining and industrial production, software engineering, and electricity and magnetism-and design.
So to say that “white American men invented the iPhone” is actually reductive and loses sight of the required accumulation of human knowledge that allowed that invention to even be possible.
Steven is constrained by the ideas of truth
Oh no what a quandary 😂
That sounds like hmm… freedom? Lol
It still requires choices. 1,000s of choices everyday. We are not puppets
Rather than focus on joes demeanor, focus on the Dr.'s responses. They were clear, concise and respectful. This speaks volumes to Dr. Meyers intellect, which obviously outweighs Rogan's. When interviewing terrence howard, Joe actually talks with someone who hasnt the slightest clue of what they're talking about, which mirrors his intellect on the subject. Joe is a smart guy, but come on, he isnt "educated" as a lot of his guests are.
Very tip of time will say, came just for thee from Who love with patience, mercy, and grace! Yes, reason fell like lightning in front of HIM!
Stephen Meyer does an excellent job describing the evidence that there is no doubt that God exist.
Be ready and to persevere! As ye commanded. Why? Now LORD able to comprehend to OBSERVE 1ST!
Increase come here in front and remind! LORD Increase in knowledge as ye SAID!
it boils down to if you want good, you have to take it with the bad.
Fascinating guest, great discussion, Joe. ✌️
If a little child born "i" able to shake all dry grounds! Imagine HIS "AM"!
To move forwards come here in front and remind! LORD none! Keep watch! Shared "i" AM come forth!
The thing about putting faith in possible discoveries of the future that we may perhaps have, on how the universe might be infinite is actually a faith based argument for the unknown without evidence. I think stephen is going with the evidence when he says the universe had a start.
The question for Joe is if he recognizes that his argument could be seen as little more than a way for someone who doesn't want to believe in a higher power to feel better about themselves.
That was the exact takeaway I had from this interview; Joe is absolute in his refusal to even entertain the possibility that Dr. Meyer has VERY valid points.
One thing that cannot be argued against is that only living things are observers of the universe. So if there's no living things to achieve conscious awareness, then nothing observes the universe. If nothing observes the universe then the universe is not observable. If something is not observable, then in what sense does it exist?
God doesn't create murder, it's free will of man and the fact of sin in the world.
this is modern science at its finest!
I'd love to see William Lane Craig in the Joe Rogan podcast