24h Le Mans 2024 - 2-Step BoP - EXPLAINED
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- Let's take a closer look at the new 2-Step BoP for the 24h of Le Mans 2024!
Why do regulators use the 2 step system?
How does it work?
What can we expect for the race?
Let me know your thoughts in the comments below!
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I get the system, and I get why they nerfed the Peugeot at the beginning, but now it looks increasingly aggressive on the ACO's side. Also, it doesn't really make sense for Porsche to have such good ratings, they have been at the front consistently recently. Like, honestly, Porsche having a better rating than Peugeot feels very backwards.
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They are picking the winners.
It's rigged, they want Porsche to win this season. WEC stands to racing as WWE does to fighting.
I dont get Why the Peugeot has such a Bad BoP. They have Never showed a good pace.
If one team gets a BoP rating "Too Good" for their car, they will beat everyone since everyone is made equal by BoP except them. This is the issue with the 9x8's new evolution. It is so much different than the old, that any data gathered on the original is of no use and thus the Regulators don't know how quick the car actually is for any given BoP. In other to not disadvantage multiple constructors, they disadvantage Peugeot. As stated before, if Peugeot get a really good BoP because the Regulators don't have enough data on their car, they will certainly have an "unfair" advantage.
In fairness to the Regulators, teams like Alpine and Isotta had to go through this period of being disadvantaged in the early parts of this season, so that enough data could be gathered. Now the Regulators have enough data to give them both a proper BoP rating. On the other hand, Peugeot decided not enter their new 9x8 from the start - either because they were unsure or their development was too slow - but now they will have to suffer the consequences like the rest did.
Besides, maybe they should have made a better car from the beginning and not gotten into this mess halfway through the season.
@@bonnster2745That’s revisionist bs. How would Peugeot have known its car was so “bad” before starting? lol
@@banovskyMore testing of the general concept? Realizing that at bumpy tracks the previous car was crazy unpredictable?
@@banovsky Because they ****had**** to know that a car dependent that much on ground effect in a formula where overbody aero is not equally restricted had a very narrow operating window compared to the compeition. And they decided to go for it anyway, maybe in the hope that it would perform so well on smooth tracks that they could write off tracks like Sebring. They were wrong, and in some ways they are lucky that situation is so good in the championship at the moment that the manufactuer did not pull support for the program in the way they did in previous decades with much more successful cars.
Yeah, they looked terrible so far, only Isotta was worse. I fully expect them to get a boost before Saturday.
They going to drive Peugeot out of the sport and I'm going to be pissed
Yeah, me too. They, Peugeot, have already intimated that if they don't start getting on the podium they're gone. So far, I understand, they've committed to the end of 2026. The Peugeot /Audi fight of the Diesel era, is what got me VERY seriously into endurance racing. They have one of the most interesting cars, they were brave enough to try it without a rear wing, ( yeah, I know), and they have good motorsports pedigree. Remember them in the WRC?. And they're French. I just can't understand why they haven't been given a better BOP. And they may not be the only ones to go unless this is handled fairly.
They released a new car so they are being sandbagged by the ACO so they don't sandbag themselves...
@@mattanigma would be interested to see if @BSport thinks sandbagging is even possible with the level of telemetry the ACO has nowadays
Thank you for the explanations. These regulations are probably one of the most bizarre in motorsport history and penalize every effort by engineers to build a vehicle that is superior to the competition. It is comparable to athletics, where the faster runners have to strap on extra weights so that the results are closer together for the audience. I don't expect the more successful teams to stand by and watch this for long.
We already have an engineering contest in WEC. And it died out 3 years in and barely attract manufacturers
I feel the same, but sadly its required to increase the popularity of a series and attract manufacturers nowadays. Its why GT3 is so popular, and even took over DTM.
I absolutely love the LMP1 hybrid era where it genuinely was a pure engineering series with pre cost cap F1 budgets, but it lasted only from 2014-2017
I'm not sure if you are new to racing, but these are the most successful sportscar regulations in decades, and BOP itself has been around for a while. It shouldn't be too difficult to understand as a concept, even if the technicalities might feel esoteric.
They do what now in athletics????? Have you got a link were I could read about it?
You see, the idea of "let the best car win" does not really exist in a BoP category.
The majority of teams are in it precisely because of it is a BoP category. Keeps the costs down as it removes the need for constant performance development.
Only Toyota signed up back in 2019/2020 when the ruleset was presented the first time and when it did not yet have BoP.
I'm a purist and I don't like BoP but it is now the reality.
The Peugeot is personally one of my favorite hyper cars, but I just don’t seem to understand why it was never given a chance.
In my opinion Isotta and peugeot are a bit more punished than they deserve.....
We don't even know the true pace of the car with how underwhelming the driver is like no offence to JK but there are definitely better drivers out there in the HyperCar class
At the start, the hypercars category was presented as very open to original design, and without to much regulation to gain interest from manufacturer. But the bop system ruins it and the competition they're fighting in.
Why would they allow for so much different designs and concept if they then negate it with bop?
A bad car should not be able to compete with a good car in the world biggest endurance championship.
Well look at Isotta or Vanwall, small teams still struggle to reach the fast teams. There is a reason why only Toyota, Ferrari and Porsche seem to do well while the others aren't quite there yet. Good cars stay good even with BoP. Relability or setup can't be BoP'd which is the reason why these teams still need good cars to win.
At the start nobody except Toyota signed up for the ruleset. The majority of teams are in it now precisely because it is a BoP class.
The irony of BoP is allowing a variety of different designs and concepts but then not allowing them to be proper performance diffetentiators. As a purist I'd rather take a semi-spec class.
Having a worse rating on the straights is a much bigger penalty than having a bad rating in low speed because in the corners it is much harder to overtake than on the straights. So if a car that has a good low speed and a bad high speed rating arrives behind a car with a bad low speed and a good high speed rating, it will be impossible to overtake, because in the corners you get dirty air and on the straights you are simply slow.
For LeMans I'd largely agree, but being good in slower speed parts usually (not always) means you can work your tyres less, and making the tyres work optimally for you is king in endurance racing these days. You can easily get around the traffic problem by offsetting your pit stop strategy by a lap or two.
Modern Golden Age of endurance racing eh? 😂
This BoP is out of hand, might as well have spec race at this point. Each manufacturer can just put their sticker on the car and call it a day.
You did a diagram ? Thats nice
I think this may be a good idea. Can't wait to see how it performs during the race.
Did Porsche pay the FIA to win 2024?
Probably
How much i wonder
100% facts 😂
Yes
Did Toyota pay to win in 2023???
BoP feels a lot like "Punish good design, Reward bad design"
Yes we'll see an Isotta podium this weekend *coughs*
I feel the same, why punish a better design when everyone is using the same regulations? A more direct approach should be the use of success ballast.
At this point, Toyota should swap it into a TS050 to get the job done.
Isn't their current car just ts050 but smaller?
@@literallyhuman5990 no
@@literallyhuman5990 LMP1 has a more aggressive hybrid system, 6 gears transmission, better aero and much refined. Same engines though, but different displacement.
@@gianlozano102 The LMP1 engines were actually quite different, and had a MUCH higher thermal efficiency. They were also unbelievably expensive.
This is no longer necessary for LMH as its a BOP rule set, not an F1 style fuel flow rule set.
Ah yes, Peugeot running with the handbrake on at this race as well. Maybe in a couple of years of top 20 finishes we'll get a better BoP.
Thanks
We'll have to see man, i get it though closer racing and all. But personally I like the idea of a car being able to utilise it's strengths like the 499's having a very good top speed, it's like a trait. So no need to necessarily absconed it, instead nerf it a little. You dont want them to completely run away on straight, but let them have the top speed advatage for instance and balance it with other factors, perhaps dont allow them to utilize too much DF OR give them more weight balast etc.
I know in reality with the technology and systems that go into these cars brings in other factors that need monitoring and so makes it's a little more complicated than that. Which if this 2 step B.o.P. is anything to go by shows proof of that.
But I'd still prefer to let the cars have areas they specialise in, it's almost liek an identity/trait, then balance it out with other factors so they don't maintain a superior advantage through out the lap or race.
With these BoP ratings porsche will win easy, FIAhates peugeot or something lol, yes the car is new, BUT SPA showed that it isnt superior, also the alpine and bmw are meh when they are new to WEC so they should be given some type of boost, the can have releabilty issues or something like that, so its pretty strange, the toyota i somewhat understand, but maybe its a bit much
Bop is starting to get too intrusive. Wanting to control the performance at so many stages is too much and actively taking away the advantage some cars have goes against the regulations they set out with a L/D ratio, power output etc etc. Its at the point where they are punishing good design and homogonising each cars characteristics
Teams and manufacturers seem to be for it, since it prevents a sorta BoP spirale. Let's say previously a car was disadvantaged at top speed. So you give it more power. But now it has better acceleration too and its lap times become too good. So you give the other cars more power. But now they have a top speed advantage again ...
This "2 step" process they implemented isn't done independently, with "1 BoP for low speed" and "1 BoP for high speed", but rather it's supposed to be one continuous power curve where performance at the top end is adjusted within a certain window. From that perspective it's really nothing all that different.
That is the point of BOP though? That different concepts can be as similar as possible in speed so that they can compete.
That's the whole damn point of BoP. And it's why a lot of manufacturers joined the category because of it. Otherwise it would have been a dead LMP1 class
Bro just described BOP lmao
@@SynchLyOfthemgreat They could have made simple LMP2 rules for everybody: chassis available to all customers, 4.0 V8 must be available to all customers for a fixed price. In that way, either performance would be close (because they are just simple 4.0 V8 non-hybrid), or everyone (including all privateers) can just buy the best car be it Ferrari-Ferrari, Toyota-Toyota, Oreca-Mechachrome (sure...) etc?
man the people complaning about BOP are probably the same people who were wanting the BOP to stop Toyota from winning every race
don't do too well early in the season to boost chances for the big Le Mans win?
I thought BOP was just to get the balance right between the different brands. but they're changing so much all the time
I'd really like to see what this class would be like with just the downfore/drag ratio and their maximum power output. there's no active aero in Hypercar so if you decide to have low downforce for the high speed you'd also have low downforce in the corners. ACO just reduces the maximum power if your drag is too low
now it just seems like you're getting punished for having a good car
Could you please make a video explaining the engineering of the new Mustang GT3 cars?
I wonder if the fact that Porsche has 6 cars on the field is having an impact on its BoP rating
I get that on track action is helped greatly by BoP, but god do I hate it. It gives me every reason to not give a shit about WEC/IMSA cause I'm not watching the outright performance of the cars. It's pretty blatantly preventing teams from developing these cars to the fullest potential.
Every Sports Car fan just wants a new CAN-AM series tbh
LMP1 tried that, and the category promptly died when spending flew out of control. The same thing happened with Group C, and even Can-Am before that: one team (Porsche, why is it always Porsche) threw a shitton of money at development, made a car that was effectively unstoppable, and the other manufacturers simply couldn't afford to spend enough to keep pace.
The did Ferrari so dirty, that cut of power over 250 kn/h in this track is hella crazy 😂
Hoping to see a fight for the lead but come on, Porsche has this race in the bag already.
The BoP is fair if you consider everything but have a major flaw that can be maybe resolve by adding success balast like gt500, you won so you win 4 or 5 kg more for the next race, but the bop has to be visited before the success balast of course
That will just be chaotic. Like even in Super GT, teams had to finish in lower position by each round just so that they won't get heavier ballast
@@SynchLyOfthemgreat yes because the success ballast are insane in supergt and they keep it til the end of the season. I think what they do is in the last race there’s no ballast. And in DTM, I might be wrong, the success ballast are temporary which is better.
@evguenicht4664 DTM, at least in class 1, I think were free competition
When the BoP gets this strict you might as well just do spec cars
So the above 250km/h is regulated by the ECU and torque sensor, or is it physical air restrictors ?
Torque sensor. Does not involve air restrictors or turbo boost pressures.
Still waiting for when we will be ashamed that we had BoP in motorsports to watch Le Mans again
You want even more dead classes? Sure, remove bop.
The real problem is the existence of LMDh itself, they should’ve just let LMH run at IMSA instead
I don't know who will win the 2024 Le Mans race, but I'm sure it won't be Peugeot.
Porsche has been gifted it
@@jimbo1058As we're speaking, #6 got pole position
Ferrari won
Alpine is shaping up to be the unexpected candidate for a podium finish.
They really want Porsche to win
I've accurately predicted Le Mans since 2017 even the #51 Ferrari and this year I'm saying the #6 Penske Porsche wins
@@vanwallgt1 what are chances of lambo?
@@ashen_99_sparkplug Very slim
@@vanwallgt1And there is their pole
BoP or not, great car will be great car and bad car will still be bad car. Engineering challenge still there, and much harder tbf. Basically it how do you make it the best possible with different parameters without actually resort to sandbagging
How come Porsche get such good ratings ?
They payed for it
Cheatske
This kind of regulation aimed at assuring wins to the works teams by manipulation performance using regulation make the very nature of motor racing pointless. Does this still have any value? Why innovate? Values are really flaking away left and right. Not only in racing I'm afraid.
Hopefully Ferrari has a Chance to wins again
Couldn't teams easily trick the bop for LeMans by racing slowly on the previous races?
Technically you can, but consequence might not be worth it. Ford GT in 16 after they used the trick, they never again had favourable BoP
Scuderia Ferrari for the win.
Balance of performance? More like boosting of Porsche
Boosting Ferrari*
BoP made sense in the days when a manufacturer competed with a couple of totally inferior teams. Now that there are a lot of participants LeMan's should have been left out of the BoP. It's one thing to spice things up in the championship, it's a totally different one to hand out LeMan's to whoever happens to be favoured by ACO at a particular year. Especially when it's a team that did not even bother to put the effort and money to create a Hypercar and jumped at an opportunity to cheaply gain a lot of publicity by a faux victory, when in fact Toyota or Ferrari would comfortably rub their face down in the dirt.
But on the other hand i get how bad this (excluding LeMan's from the BoP) would reflect on ACO's manipulations on the rest of the races... But it's just too comical to hear other youtubers and the commentators repeating what a "golden era" this is. It's not a golden era when the winner is determined by how well you manage to hide performance from ACO or who does ACO consider the best case for more publicity for WEC. Also it's not a golden era if Toyota has completely halted development on their car since more performance from your engineers will just lead to more balast from ACO.
That's not how Sportscar racing works though. Why do you think we have so many teams now? Why didn't they join 4 years ago with LMP1 rules? All of them joined because of the BOP, why would they remove that now? If they would remove BOP now all of the teams would have to develop new cars, we would end up with F1 budgets again, one manufacturer will dominate and the class will die again. BOP works so great for GT3 and GT4, so why not use it for Hypercar?
Indeed... A "manufactured second golden age" is what it is threading a dangerous line of spec series.... I wouldnt be surpised that its a 963 front row lock out in this year's Le Manns it already happened before.
@@Maenfy as a matter of fact, this is exactly how motorsport works, the one who comes on top, is there due to merit, not manipulation. Suffice to say that it is the only major motorsport series that enforces BoP, all others do not interfere with the teams' performance for reasons too obvious to explain. Also you are getting wrong the reasons for the added participation. BoP has little to do with it. Ferrari participated because the F1 cost cap left them with personnel that had to be either fired or deployed elsewhere. They ended up in WEC because there was no alternative for them, the existence of the BoP was secondary at best.
ALL the other teams entered mainly because the half-arsed LMDh chassis allows them to participate with minimal costs. You really think that Alpine or Lambo (lol) would even consider joining if they had to actually develop, test and build a Hypercar chassis? BoP is around since 2021, if what you state were true then why did we see the manufacturers jump on WEC from 2023 onwards (i.e since LMDh was introduced in WEC)? Cheap-ass LMDh, that's why. BoP was and is a distant second factor for participating, most, if not all, would have signed up anyway just because all they had to do was to plug an existing engine in a pre-made cheap chassis and there you go, you can race in LeMan's with a "prototype".
@@constantinegiotopoulos3033if we're having this level of vision then only Toyota would be racing
@@SynchLyOfthemgreat this comment makes no more sense than stating that in F1 only RBR would be racing.
Cue the bop hater comments 😅.....
Great video and explanation again. Sounds really promising for some great fights on track. Looking forward the race
I do love everybody saying that oh FIA is just choosing Porsche and not paying any attention the fact the Caddie is near the same power but even lighter
The Caddie is not nearly as good a design as Porsche. Without BoP, the Porsche is arguably the third best car but its rating is much better than that. The Toyota and the Ferrari are nerfed waaay more than the Porsche even when the Porsche is not too bad a design.
@@Khan-ts2jiThe Cadillac, at its best, is probably very close to the Porsche in performance. The problem is that it has an incredibly narrow operating window where it can actually achieve that level of performance, and is a handful outside that window.
This BoP deal kind of defeats the purpose of having different constructors racing. What's the point of building a great car if you're just going to get penalised? Just mandate a common engine and chassis (or a selection of spec engines and chassis, like in American racing) and save the constructors a lot of money while attracting more competitors. Or just let the best manufacturer/driver combo win, like we did in the past! This almost looks like we are having a small children's competition and we're rigging it so that everyone wins and nobody gets sad and cries. Just pathetic.
Spec chassis/engine combos effectively kills the point of sports car racing, and would still require BoP to balance the various combinations. Simply allowing teams to run whatever they want with no checks is what killed LMP1, Group C, and Can-Am (thanks Porsche), the entire reason this category is so large is because it has BoP.
The only solution I can think of that doesn't involve some form of BoP is an F1-style cost cap and far tighter rules regarding vehicle specs, but that might kill any sort of design diversity to the point that it's just a bunch of glorified LMP2 cars with badges slapped on them.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 Going to LMP2 (with open engine, but maybe 4.0 V8 NA only) as the top class might be the perfect way to avoid BOP. That way Ferrari can run their Ferrari-Ferrari, Toyota can run their Toyota-Toyota, Alpine can run their Oreca-Mechachrome, Porsche can run their Multimatic-Porsche BUT all privateers can buy *ANY* of these cars and engines for the *fixed price*. You'd have 40-50 cars in the outright class, which would be epic!!! The loss of engine variety would be a shame, but most of the competitive cars now have bland turbo engines anyway, so no great loss.
another BoP? for >250kph? I like to see different cars acting in different ways on track. If they fail they need to change things up for next year. They might actually push manufacturers away by mid season changes. Not smart IMO.
Toyota consistently penalized for developing a good car 😒
I don’t understand why Porsche and Ferrari get such a good BoP rating. They should altleast get on Toyotas level in terms of BoP, both are way to fast compared to,the others.
Have you seen Ferrari's >250 km/h BOP. On the track that rewards top speed Ferrari has the least top end horsepower
The Ferrari has nowhere near a good rating. They're one of the most punished, especially considering La Sarthe is done 70% full throttle...
Ferrari getting that cut of power over 250 km/h in a track like Le Mans = good BoP 😂
Alea iacta est: Porsche is gonna win this race.
Ferrari is fucked on the Mulsanne straight
The winner will win this year
This BOP is only for show, im not saying that the races are being rigged but is making the thing kinda fake for the sake of show and closer races
Not every racing series needs surgical BOP, LM should go back to the times where the best machine, drivers and teams won by A LOT if they so deserved. In a few years, the cars that dont win will leave regardless of the BOP and we will be back at square one
Well look at GT3 for example, GT3 exists for ages now also due to BoP. Not having BoP would literally kill the class in 2 or 3 years just look at the last time they tried that.
@@Maenfy It's necessary as GT3 cars are very different (front, rear, mid engine, turbo, non-turbo, 6, 8, 10, ex-12 cylinders). Whereas the prototypes are all very similar, they already have matched drag, downforce and power. Therefore BOP should not be necessary.
It should be fair, but it is not.
porsche bop
We definitely need a BoP-less race at least once every season. The *physically* fastest car deserves to have a chance.
Ferrari can have the fastest car. Their strategy it's their weakness 😢. If they slow down the Ferrari they will not finish in top 10
BoP always seems artificial to me - so does DRS in F1, and weight handicaps in Horse racing.
Drs is not comparable to the other 2 since its the same for every car. Itsjust there to nullify dirty air, nothing wrong with it.
@@askeladden450it’s even worse. It specifically punishes good drivers and prevents them defending.
@@tecnoguy1136 no it doesnt, it just offsets the dirty air which drivers in 70s and 80s didnt have to deal with. And the 'good drivers' will also have the drs to take the position back. Without it, the art of defending would have long been dead in f1 as it would have been impossible to overtake.
@@askeladden450 drivers in the 70s and 80s had insane dirty air.
@@tecnoguy1136 nowhere near as bad as now. Sure, you had many instances of drivers complaining about dirty air, and it was still hard to overtake. But today, you wont see more than 1-2 overtakes per race without DRS, the dirty air is so much worse now (almost 40% reduction in downforce). Cars back then didnt produce anywhere near as many vortices. It was only in the 90s when CFD became common place that we started to see micro-aerodynamics come into play. Not only that but modern cars are also much worse in dealing with it.
i think its stupid.. you have a budget and rules for how to build the car ... let the best manufacturer destroy the competition.. this is just blatant competition rigging , and shows us that it's no longer a competition of engineering masterclasses .. it's a shame!
Well if you let manufacturers destroy the competition we will end up with Toyota racing against themselves again, no idea who wants to watch that to be honest.
@@Maenfy well , maybe just maybe that is because of some people thinking racing at la mans or any other series is car against car.. however racing is not car against car but car against the clock at a given distance or time-frame.. cars racing each-other is a side-product of racing and not the goal! where in the last couple of years there has been too much emphasis on overtaking, with knee-jerk reactions to "help" overtaking which in turn made overtakes artificial and unmemorable . i don't mind 1 team getting it perfect and handing other teams asses back to them on a silver platter..
BOP is like oh you have done an excellent job of creating something withing the rules that we set for you.. but you are too good so we are going to penalize you for doing such a good job.. might as well just have a 100% equal series .. all the same cars..
@@christianlagioia Well without BoP we wouldn't even have these cars racing against the clock, why would a manufacturer waste millions if they don't have a chance at winning anyways?
Knowing the winner before the race even begins simply isn't exciting.
There still is a lot of engineering required. Just watch FP1 and look at all of the issues the teams have. Building a good car that doesn't break down is still very important but now it needs to be even better setup else the car lands in P nowhere.
No idea how overtakes are bad to be honest, that's the first time I have read that complain, other series would kill for more overtakes.
BoP doesn't punish the best teams else Porsche wouldn't have done so well this year for example.
@@Maenfy a there you go the equality mind-virus.. nothing more to say!
The Ferrari was built to win Le Mans and then gets a terrible BOP. Porsche will win another race this season and Toyota and Ferrari won't be rewarded for having built quick cars. Why can't they just let Ferrari win to make up for Belgium :(
Cry
@@joaolima1030 grow up.
@@procatprocat9647 cry they are going to fail badly then they come to lmh
@@joaolima1030 Porsche has the Crash with the Cadillac and BMW M4 GT3 in Spa Franchomps planed
@@joaolima1030 BOPorsche meat rider
I get the BOP system, but this really just looks like the race direction or whatever deciding who will win.
This makes no sense
I think that Bop is a joke and should never be a thing in motorsport. I want to see performance, not a play
The worst racing series (scripted series)
BOP sucks big time. Just let them build their cars, fastest wins. Easy as that!
That's what Le Mans is all about
That also true but this isn't Formula 1, each Manufacture need something to fight with their opponent
This outdated perspective is what led to Group C and LMP1's death. BOP stops rising costs and encourages other manufacturers to join in without having to spend 100s of millions to catch up.
it'll be lmp1 all over again then 🙃
I agree, it is stupid, but it does give us better race. But as I'm a Toyota fan it's sad to see them mess it up. I think they can keep BoP for they WEC but remove it for Le Mans to see who is the fastest
So when Ferrari cries and goes to throw their toys out of the pram, they can call up Ferrari International Assistance to get favorable BOP. Or so Chip Ganassi Racing can sandbag the hell out of BOP and smoke the competition in the race for Ford's anniversary, etc. BOP has no place in top-class racing.
Bop sucks
Handicapping has never worked in motor racing and never will. No matter how complex the formulae and no matter how good the intentions.
Lamoooo watch Porsche be the lowest
What?? The fastest
bop is a joke
I called it Ferrari would win cuz they r soo light
BoP helping Ferrari once again...