Here are some facts that give hope that the F1 engine could complete the 24 hours: - F1 teams do 3/4 days of 8h testing during preseason with a single engine. - The current Alpine Hypercar uses a Mecachrome Formula 2 engine (with even more power!). - Last year, a NASCAR car managed to complete the race with 0 engine issues. That car also had more power from that engine than a current NASCAR Cup car. - The Acura ARX-06 has what was going to be the next IndyCar engine. That car has also successfully completed multiple 24-hour races without engine dramas. - DTM. Their races last less than an hour right? Well, in 2003 a DTM car won the 24 hours of Nurburgring. A race that doesn't even have SCs to give the components a break. - Cars like the Porsche 911 Carrera Cup or TCRs weren't designed for 24-hour races, yet they compete in endurance races all over the world every week. - The Mercedes-AMG One has a current F1 engine in it. You can do thousands of kilometres with it. - There's multiple examples of prototypes using F1 engines for endurance races when F1 engines were way less reliable (they had to last one weekend instead of 6-8!). It's not impossible for the F1 engine to last 24 hours specially with a low power mode, "the lift and coast", the low temperatures at night and a dozen of 10+ minute pitstops. SCs, FCYs and slow zones would help a lot too.
-The a424 has a heavily modified v634 (alpine said in an interview), when others tried to use it without modifying too much it failed (ginetta g60 lmp1) -The NASCAR had a gearbox issue and was only allowed to rebuild and continue because of it being a special class, otherwise would have been disqualified But yeah, if they wanted to make it last 24hrs while being faster than a hypercar by modifying it, they surely would be able to, no doubt in my mind
I think it's very possible for an F1 engine to complete a full 24h Le Mans race. These engines get the absolute sh*t tested out of them in every way possible. People are reacting like an F1 engine is put together by 4 guys in a garage using spare parts. I understand the hold back but again when these engines are running on test banks they get pushed to the absolute limit.
@@haddenindustries2922People forget this engines run balls to the wall for most races that’s why they don’t last long. People also forget F1 engines get 800+ hp out of a 1.6 so they could probably bring it down a little and still be faster than HyperCard.
@naplesbluesrt don't know where you got that false information. The Canadian GP is the same weekend as Lemans next year. Plus he has stated he would only do it after he retires from F1. (Likely after his contract ends in 2028)
@@THEWINDTUNNEL If we consider the engine rules and the average, if we say that F1 cars generally change engines every 6 races, 6 grand prix equals 1800 km. But at Le Mans, those in the hypercar class travel 4700 km. I think it's enough to understand whether they will succeed or not :D
@@mmunnyy You're only including the race, what about free practices, qualifying, sprints and tests? It's a LOT more than 1800km, only in FP2 they do a race long driving
I guess if you modified the F1 to allow for refueling and have the engine turned way down to last all 24 hours there's a possibility of winning. It would be an interesting project.
@@professoroflogic8788it’s not the weight, it’s the reliability aspect! The gearbox itself changed gear almost 25000 times. F1 engine and gearbox just aren’t designed for that type of use. You would have to put an entirely different PU in them to compete
In addition to all the engine reliability concerns, to make an F1 car legal to run on this circuit, you would need to add fenders, lights, necessary safety requirements, and a starter. At that point, you would basically have an LMP1 This is a good theoretical video though
I think lights would be a very easy fix, their safety is unquestionable up to par. It probably exceeds LMP1, and they have starters. The fenders is definitely an issue though. I wonder if theyd let one compete in garage 56
@@kuramisaga Le Mans is a race where you are fuel-limited, not tyre-limited like in an F1 race. You are 90% of the time flat out so tyre wear is minimal. Teams will quadruple-stint tyres at night in real life. That's almost 4 fuel tanks on the same tyres (4 hours!). If F1 tyres can do over 2 hours at Monaco turning the entire time (even with Pirelli's softest choice) why wouldn´t they last 2 hours here?
@@kuramisagaI can guarantee that the hardest compound could last at least 20 laps. And the F1 is over 20 seconds a lap quicker. Hoing to pits for a tyre change definitely doesnt take more than a minute even considering a slower time on an out lap. F1 is faster even if it has to pit 4 times and the hypercar pits once. The thing is that the engine would most likely need to be slightly detuned to survive 24 hours. But even with 800hp instead of 1050 it would be faster.
The F1 car would last around 10 laps on the mulsanne straights before it started falling apart. Everyone is hyperfocused on the engine not lasting that long, and, while that's probably true, I don't think the general public realises just how bumpy the road is on those straights. Not only would the suspension break apart, the floor of the car wouldn't survive long either if they were to use the normal ride height that makes the whole car work.
Plenty of street circuits on the F1 calendar. Some of them are very bumpy. An F1 car would not 'fall apart.' The car is incredibly strong in the loads of which it is designed. Teams run the F1 car as low as they can get away with for the F1 race weekend so the maximum skid block (plank) wear is not exceeded. This skid block is not integral to the structure of the car. It's just bolted onto the bottom of the chassis. An F1 car might be run slightly higher and the wear would just be tolerated. The fact is an F1 car by design has a massive range of potential setups and the team would find one that worked at the circuit. They can probably still do 300km on a single tank of fuel at a circuit like Le Mans. Refuelling however is not fast like it used to be. The REAL technical problem is the tyres which even on the hardest compound are simply not designed to last much more than an hour's running at racing speed. The human factor is also a potentially difficult issue, F1 cars are not designed to be comfortable for 3 hours at a time or whatever like a Le Mans car with big drink bottles, air conditioning, more room for the driver etc
Circuit de La Sarthe is a 1/2 a public road. F1 cars won't ever tolerate the less than perfect roads racetracks have that Hypercars need to content with.
@@codycherrington2314 lmao tbh its mainly the fact that f1 cars run sprint no matter how detuned they are for reliability they either are still unable to handle the constant wear and tear from the track + doing so to much is going to make the car off pace. People dont understand that F1 cars are to fragile and too picky on conditions to deal with Le mans especially on the mulsanne straight after 25 laps the engine would be screaming for help, Suspension would crumble. To sum it up someone else in the comments said "It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions."
Awesome video!! But this don't take into consideration that F1 cars go through heavy repairs and restoration after each weekend. Engine oil would need refilling, gearing would need oil bath, many many parts go through so much care, that we can't figure out. 99% chance F1 wouldn't last more than 5 hours. So a typical Garage 56 in my eyes.
Plus, some can argue that a modern F1 car's engine can last long now, but they forget that it was through multiple "down time" as well by not running at all between races, while a Le Mans Prototype achieved that number over the whole weekend of nonstop running.
Also,i don't think F1 cars are that comfortable to be in for so many hours,even with driver changes,LMPs,Hypercars and GTs have to go through hours lasting races in most part of their lives,F1 cars rarely reach the 2 hours mark per race.
@@AndreaKimiAntonelli_12 The gearbox would fall apart in 3 hours. Hypercars change gears more than 25.000 times during Le Mans. An F1 gearbox dies around 3k gear changes.
@@nckSEVEN794 Drivers have a gearbox per 6 races... which they're running for at least a hundred laps, with what 35-70 ish changes per lap... If this was true they'd need way more gearboxes.
@@nckSEVEN794what are you on about? 3000 changes is a low estimate for a single race in F1, not counting practice and qualifying. Make it 5000 per race weekend and multiply by the 6 races they need to last, and you get 30 thousand gear changes…
The thing you leave out here is that the components are not designed for continued use beyond 2 hours. So whilst an F1 engine can last the le man race distance in theory, in practice the sustained usage for hours would likely not see many components last beyond 6 hours
It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions.
Well I think in real life you would have to modify the F1 extensively like they did with that Camaro NASCAR last year. This was a simulation after all, but I think in real world conditions it might be different. Yes obviously the F1 car would do blistering laps but I think in the long run with more frequent pit stops it might just win or not finish at all
I don't think that F1 cars would be able to withstand the contact in terms of bodywork, trips through gravel, etc. I also think that in-race refueling would pose a problem.
Reliability of the engine is not a concern at all, f1 engines are amazing and can be slightly detuned to last 24h without issue. The only issue would be reliability of the rest of the car and how quickly the components can be changed (brakes calipers for example) most of which are already reliable but not designed to be changed quickly like in LMP1
I knew this all along, F1 engines lasts 8 race weekends each, easily doing the 24hrs especially short shifting and lifting and coasting, the brakes would also last longer than 2 stints, more like 2 Grand Prix, more like 5 stints, also attach the lights and in the summer open top cars would be easier on the drivers helping offset the extra G force, then if it's really F1 vs Le Mans, the F1 car should be allowed to change tyres and refuel in F1 speed too which would further advantage F1, besides it beats Le Mans even with Le Mans speed pitstops, all haters will hate but reliability isn't a issue in modern F1 and here the F1 car wasn't even running DRS on most of the straights, allow that gg, 30sec a lap.
Also forgot the mileage in practice and qualifying on top of race distance, and the sheer time on full throttle. The engine would have to be turned down hurting fuel efficiency, the hybrid system would be largely ineffective compared to F1 / short circuits due to time spent between braking points putting even more pressure on ICE and fuel capacity. It's like asking Usain Bolt to run against Kipchoge.
@Sliced_Bread1 mostly to the aero and chasis. The engine was almost exactly what they used in nascar, just with a lifted power restriction that raised the HP from 670 to 750
Safety cars usually harm the engine more than a full speed lap in terms of temps. This because less air goes trough the car and the engine is not cooled enough
Possible reliability improvement - Rev limiting to 10-12,000 rpms to reduce engine wear - Use aero windshield to reduce driver's fatigue - Changing the brakes, suspensions, electrical wires to have more endurance by sacrificing performance to improve wear This way the car would be 3-5s slower than the current one but could save up time without changing more parts during the pits.
I think people really underestimate the reliability of F1 cars, of course a GP spec car won't be able to run for 24h but I don't think the F1 car will need too many changes to be able to do so and win the race with a confortable gap.
WHAT IF: You were to race a Formula One car, an IndyCar car, a NASCAR Garage 56 Camaro from the 2023 Le Mans race, a 1976 Dodge Charger that ran over 600 horsepower, a 1976 Ford Torino, a DeltaWing (all types), a Mazda 787B, a Jaguar XJR-12, a Porsche 917, a Porsche 936, and a Chaparral 2F on the same circuit at the exact same time? Modern open wheel cars, classic Le Mans cars, and even the most UNIQUE cars to ever race on the Circuit de La Sarthe.
Considering they only are allowed to use 3 engines the entire season, Including all practice, qualifying, and any sprint qualifying races without penalty, yeah, it's possible it could last.
its probably more like they are less durable than you think lol. practice almost doesnt count as they are just testing stuff, not at race pace. and quali is just like 8 laps top speed. its not that big of a load on the car.
F1 engines never get to 15000rpm anyways, they shift at around 11800rpm and its easy to detune the engine and still have a speed advantage over the Hypercars
also what i think is not taken into consideration is that driving F1 car is more physically demanding than hypercar, due to the speed, the way the car drives etc. not saying hypercar is easy to drive at all but compared to F1 is easier and the drivers are still super exhausted at the end. 3 F1 drivers would not be nearly enough to get through 24 hours.
1) not nearly enough flashing of the lights by the cars, gotta flash the cars you wont catch for 10 laps, or you wont catch them. 2) F1 cars are not designed to refuel, parts have to come off. and if they modified it to refuel, it wouldnt be allowed to carry as much. BOP would likely have them add weights to equal the original. 3) fully opening the cooling, would lower the f1 top speed.
This is best case scenario factors for an f1 car. Theres 24 races for the 2024 season, and each race is about 2 hours, but in 2023 each team were allowed 3 engines (in 2024 they’re given 4, but exclude that since we need the engines to be more reliable). At best an f1 car can only make 15-16 hours of an endurance race and thats being very generous with its reliability
I don't think F1 car's gearbox is rated for a continuous run. Sure it can last the distance, but F1 race are not a continuous 24 hours of runtime I'd also be interested if you throw in a Porsche 919 in there, and see how big of a difference LMP1 could make.
Try doing a full-scale race-off between all racing classes, and give some of them superpowers (superbike doesn't have to brake around curves, rally can go off-road and cut corners via infield, drift is always cornering, etc.)
The engine honestly isn't the concern, modern F1 engines are built to last as it helps their image of sustainability and keeps costs down, something the sport has been scrutinized heavily for the past few seasons. I can see overheating being an issue, though. If you gave a competing F1 team a month to design components like suspension, aero and the floor durable enough to finish Le Mans, I doubt they'd find it a challenge and all those parts would hold up, easily. I think the biggest concern would be eating through tyres, if we're saying it's on the current Pirelli F1 tyre offerings. Even then, I can see a world where that's a non-issue even with Pirelli's engineered-in cliffs in the tyres, and I think in a wet race the F1 car would have even more of a pace advantage and inters/wets that would comfortably last hours. Also, Fernando did a lap in an F1 car in 2021 that we can get plenty of data from. Driver 61 has a video covering it on his channel
They would need a very special tire compound that wouldn't implode 30 laps in like curent Pirelli, and can withstand an F1 torque and power which curent LMPH tires probably can't The lack of grip alone would cost it a bit Then you got the fact these cars are super fragile, if they lose a little of bodywork their advantage would drop exponentialy Also You forgot the most important factor that can stop the F1 car dead on its tracks Rain
Good video, however the F1 car would no doubt employ tactic such as not going flat out to extend runs in between stops. The breaks and suspension would be beefed up to cope so its stops would be shorted and less frequent. An easy win for F1
I seriously doubt F1 engine out of the box would be able to withstand 24 hours of near constant running. Serious changes would've been needed which would result in what by all accounts a new class or a formula for F1 derived 24 hour race car. So, on purely technical grounds, no, F1 car couldn't wing 24 hours of Le Mans.
Sorry bro, but as a driver from Road to le Mans last week, I can tell you that changing breaks is most faster than you simulated… On a GT3, I took a chrono of 1 minute and 15 seconds to change 4 tires and front breaks with only 4 guys working on the car (it was amazing to see it btw !). So considering 5 minutes for all four seems to be more realistic if the guys are a bit low 😅 Nice sim btw, thx for your content !
Wow that's so cool, hope you had fun. The thing F1's brakes are WAY more complex that the one's in a GT3 car. Other components (bodywork, suspensions, oil refills) would have to be changed too. That's why it takes that long.
people worried about the engien and gearbox lasting, forgetting that the F1 car has no lights for Night racing. You could add some lights, but how would that effect the weight, balance, laptimes
endurance race are totally different with formula cars especially on their strategies, in endurace teams principals searching how to running this cars without any problems for 24 hours, if see in this video RB20 just 3 laps can overlaping the backmarker of hypercar's, this is of course different from the main goal. but if u see into the f1 sprint when all teams using the full power because of just 100km racing, the formula cars it's designed for full power racing and if u see the normal f1 race around of 50-70 laps (depending on the circuit distance) the first of laps all teams using full power for reaching front row podium position but if the racing already reach over 15 laps all teams using endurance strategies to maintain tyres or fuel to unexpected event for overtake opponents teams (excpet. for qatar 2023)
And this is ONLY with the Hypercar grid. Add LMP2 and LMGT3, it will be EXTRA painful to stay cautious. Also, just to give the F1 extra win, they definitely gonna run the Monza Setup. Small wing, minimal wing adjustment.
My lone thing with the F1 car is that the slightest touch would likely destroy the suspension as currently constructed. Obviously, Le Mans tries not to be quite the rough and tumble sport that NASCAR is, but there's some contact that comes with the territory. I'd always be worried about breaking either the wing or the suspension at the slightest touch.
I would love to see the outcome of this with a slightly modified grid, incorporating a mix of formula one cars of different eras, v6, v8, v10, v12, to see how they fare vs the endurance cars and each other over the full race distance.
Not only the reliability would be a problem also the weather, we all know that the Night which was mostly „skipped“ in this Video would be the part that would show if a F1 Car would perform. And we also know that it rains nearly every LeMans race which would also make the F1 Car Slower
Lots of components of the F1 car have a limited amount of time they can be used before they have to be replaced. Brakes, suspension, wings, and so on. The Brawn gp car from Jenson Button f.i. can not be driven in anger any more because a lot of those parts must be replaced, but there are no replacement parts. So, a F1 car can not do the 24 hrs without spending hours in the pits. Some other things, they can not be refuelled quickly, they need loads more tyres than the Hypercar, have no lights, no lightened number on the side and I doubt if they can be driven as low to the ground as they need for the ground effect to be maximized. The Mulsanne straight has a crest in it and ruts from lorry's.
I think the engine wouldn’t necessarily be the first issue, I think the brakes would need a lot more work. Currently F1 brakes are build to last 800 km, Hypercar brakes are built to last 6000 km.
WEC and IMSA are so much more interesting to watch. So much more strategy, skill, and team work is involved, and a lot fewer prima donnas. F1 racing is fine, but I find it closer to NASCAR than endurance racing. Le Mans has 3 car classes, not to mention amateur drivers, so you have much more complex traffic to negotiate.
I actually did but i doubt i could ever watch it properly, i fell asleep like 5 times, but it was great though. The 6hour races are fine though, and I'd like to check out supergt but it's a pity it's only in English sub. Imsa I'll need to check out too
On speed alone, yes it could, but it’s unlikely an F1 car would last 24 hours. The tyres aren’t nearly as long lasting as they are in WEC, the car phisically can’t refuel, and driver change would be a hassle too as the seats are molded to each driver. The engine survivability is questionable too, while I think with some limitations to it’s performance (rev limit maybe?) it might survive 24 hours.
Probably with a bunch pf mods to make the engine last over 48 hours its possible if there is no contact chassis may need to be modded as well to tolerate more damage
While maybe the F1 engine could last 24h, what you aren't taking into account is the stresses of every component down to it's last nut and bolt, it would need lights installed, it's made for the perfect race, not a 24 hour one so it would inevitably take damage to the floor by running over kerbs, it would take a monumental beating, I'd be surprised if one finished the race. To add to that also, Le Mans Hypercars are made to endure a GT car turning in on it, F1 is not so one small mistake in lapping GT traffic, one that every team makes and suddenly F1 car is out
If you could prep an F1 car for Le Mans I am pretty sure they could run for 24hr. The engine would be tuned down and the driving style would be less agressive than what you see in a GP but they would still retain a huge aero and weight advantage over hypercars. Fast curves, traction out corners, braking would all still be in favour of F1 cars.
Would you consider something like this for F1 at the Indy 500? Obviously the Indycars will have the speed advantage, but would the range of an F1 car be enough to make it compete over a race distance? The F1 car could theoretically 2 stop the race on fuel, so whether the hard tyres would hold on to make that possible is a question
i mean if a driver can drive an f1 for longer hours at a time would be a better question, lewis stated that f1 drivers lose 3 to 4 lbs each race, there's no airconditioning, open cock pit high g forces, driving at those speeds for extended periods is a formula for accidents to happen.
adding wheelcovers or bodywork will make an f1 more aero efficient than its weight penalty. Reliability on paper is doable, and some f1 teams have made engines and gearboxs last long enough over a season to not fall foul of the engine limit penalties. But we know it will clap the cheeks of any lemans car ever by the stopwatch. an interesting vid would be how far back in time would you need to go back in f1 time to make a fair fight... i reckon early 80s vs lmp1h
Brake changes as well as other maintenence would have to be made that could cost severel laps each pit stop for the F1 car. That and driver changes. I dont think an F1 car would be able to do this flawlessly.
What mod is that 499P? I'm part of a league that do endurance racing on AC, but the Hypercars we're using are by TRR and this one seems slightly higher quality. Is it part of a pack as well?
i think one of the biggest issue of the F1 will be the reason we can't race F1 cars in Sebring; the track. The Mulsanne Straight is an open road the rest of the year, and as i went by myself i can tell it's too bumpy for them and i think F1 will take a lot of damages from it.
Except the RB20 swaps engine every 3 hours and gearbox, it's not feasible. We haven't even talked about how many sets of tires itll use the stressed components changes
The F1 car would need to stop 12 times, assuming you could make tires hard enough to last 2 hours, but at that point the F1 car would not whip around the corners this well. F1 power units also are meant to last 7 or so races, which is about 14 hours (not continuously). It would be better to swap these power unit out for something that makes more sense, like a V8 turbo, but at that point it’s a whole different car. You might as well modify a 2010 car in a low drag configuration and built to run longer, back-to-back stints. At some point after this, it’s no longer an “F1 car” as the vehicle would not meet all the regulations from any season in F1 history. Maybe you could try meeting the early 80s turbo era regulations but tune for fuel economy instead of careless 1400 hp builds. The aerodynamics would be much better than in those days with today’s tech, but I’m not sure about the specifics of every single rule from those times TL;DR you might as well design a purpose-built open-wheel car
Yeah aint no way. the thing breaks 6 Hours in... In an Endurance Race it isnt just enginge breaks and transmission... EVERY tiny part needs to last 24 Hours. In no world does a F1 car survive that
exactly people seem too forget that an car is not only the engine, the tyres or the transmission. no part in an formula car is build too last this long under full pressure, even half the pressure is too much. after max 3 hours the car would break down or fall apart on the track itself. and i`am not talking about the engine, the transmission or the tyres, there are many many other parts that wouldn`t last this long in race speed.
Lets also not forget you have a field of 50-55 cars. The F1 car will get held up behind a tailgater. There will be laps under the safety car for crashes or weather conditions........
Anyone talking about reliability, here the major problem (other than durability of components etc.) is the stamina of the drivers, F1 is more challenging, a stint in a F1 car is insane, no one can resist, need more drivers and more pits.
With 30 sets of tyres, 15 refueling stops and 3-5 times brake changes, maybe 1 gearbox, and Monza Setup and short shifting possible. And 3 similar drivers. Over 50 % finishing rate. In the 2000's impossible.
As an engineer I can say this is totally impossible. The car would break down for sure. Your calculation lacks 2 major things: Firstly: The engine and gearbox gets replaced every 6 to 9 races which is true, but one race is 305km long which is in the end 1830km to 2745km. In addition to that, the distance the F1 car can travel due to its superior pace is much higher than that of a LMP car. Second: and this one is the major thing: f1 engines and gearboxes get completely overhauled after each race. All fluids will be exchanged for example. Even the tiniest spot of damage will be dealt with accordingly. The block itsself will be scanned for micro cracks and other parts will be too. This is the reason they even last 6 to 9 races. These engines are not designed to last a lot over 305km and will severely take damage once over a certain threshold, which is not really far above the 305km mark. F1 cars are designed to be on the edge of what is physically possible in the given circumstances of the F1 rulebook
I'm amazed that it was this close tbh! Tbh in reality I think the F1 car would probably have an accident, since they're more fragile than hypercars and it's extremely difficult to do 24 hours without any contact at all.
The problem is that it's not an accurate sim, F1 hard tyres would not last as long as a set of WEC tyres, the F1 would need to run on WEC spec tyres, there is no way any F1 compound could double stint a set of tyres, which would reduce the lap times significantly. Also, performance of an F1 engine tuned for 8 GPs would be about 5-10 seconds/lap slower than normal tuning. I'm also doubtful that even the best and fittest F1 drivers could manage that many 2 hour stints at F1 G forces, so either they'd have to slow down or do more drier changes, which would take longer on the pitstops that are only set up in this sim for fuel.
The only way I see an f1 car getting onto the Le Mans Grid is under Garage 56, and even then would probably need to be a detuned older car to even think about surviving the race distance, unless they tone down the horsepower that engine wont last 24 hours
It is just a head scratcher that there never has been a major formula style ( indycar, F1, F2, formula atlantic, formula mazda, formula ford etc.) Endurance race anywhere. Some race oganizer can make some money starting a trend there. Multi-class formula race cars on one track for 12 or 24 hours? I'd be glued to the 📺 T.V.!!
It would have to be a race of formula style race cars only. If you put heavier GT3 cars in a 24 hour race and they crash with a formula style race car the formula driver could really get hurt cause they weigh waaay less. And a lighter car will get slammed around with more G-forces faster than the heavier race car.
Great video but I doubt it would be as simple in reality. Come to think of it, a F1 car with all the necessary modifications made for endurance racing is more or less what a LMH is. There's a reason why these things can last a 24h race at the cost of only 25 seconds per lap compared to a F1. Heck, even this video somewhat proves it with the F1 finishing only a single lap ahead when it terms of pure speed, the beginning of the race showed it was largely capable of outlaping the LMH cars several times in just the first hour.
An f1 engine will never last for the 24h of le mans. An F1 gp covers a distance of 300 km. So, if the 24h covers a distance of 4651 km, that would be like 15,5 GPs not 7,5.
The answer is no , the engine alone wouldn’t make it 24hrs and no engine , chassis or gearbox change is permitted during the race and considering a Ferrari are on their 4th engine in 10 races and you can’t save the engines by short shifting and lift and coast , it will help but it won’t gain you much because f1 cars already do all of them things with lift and coast to maintain fuel flow and engine/brake temp and optimal shifting RPM that produces the most efficient and reliable gearbox for the speed they need
In "le mans" conditions not only the reability of the engine matters, also think about brakes temperature, wheels... An F1 and a proto are made for absolutely oposite kind of race.
I mean, of course if you just throw in a Formula 1 car as it is into a 24 hour race it's not going to finish. However, modern F1 cars are as reliable as they've ever been, unlike the days of the 2000's were an engine needed to last just 1 race and that's it. Still, it likely wouldn't make it because it wasn't designed for that. Of course, if this were to actually happen, extensive testing would be done to make sure the 24 hour race distance would be able to be done. Besides, if cars like Peugeot 905 was able to finish and win Le Mans with an engine that was nearly identical to their F1 engine, then I don't see why modern engines couldn't last 24 hours with proper modifications.
If you just look at instantaneous performance, yeah on paper an F1 car could win, but an F1 car is not designed for long stints, on a topical race weekend, they maybe run 5 hours at most, and how many times over a season do they need to change engines and other parts, that’s your answer, the F1 car would breakdown even before you got to the 8 hour period.
No, because the track is too bumpy, but if there were a 24 hr race on an F1 track, then I'd all be up to reliability. The F1 car, even with 1 stop every 5 or 6laps would slap the hypercars. However, 24 hours is basically 6-7 F1 weekends, and that without changing the engine or any part for that matter. In this regard, I think if the 20 F1 cars were to race with the hypercars, it would probably be an F1 victory, but 1 on 1, the odds are in favor of the hypercars.
Here are some facts that give hope that the F1 engine could complete the 24 hours:
- F1 teams do 3/4 days of 8h testing during preseason with a single engine.
- The current Alpine Hypercar uses a Mecachrome Formula 2 engine (with even more power!).
- Last year, a NASCAR car managed to complete the race with 0 engine issues. That car also had more power from that engine than a current NASCAR Cup car.
- The Acura ARX-06 has what was going to be the next IndyCar engine. That car has also successfully completed multiple 24-hour races without engine dramas.
- DTM. Their races last less than an hour right? Well, in 2003 a DTM car won the 24 hours of Nurburgring. A race that doesn't even have SCs to give the components a break.
- Cars like the Porsche 911 Carrera Cup or TCRs weren't designed for 24-hour races, yet they compete in endurance races all over the world every week.
- The Mercedes-AMG One has a current F1 engine in it. You can do thousands of kilometres with it.
- There's multiple examples of prototypes using F1 engines for endurance races when F1 engines were way less reliable (they had to last one weekend instead of 6-8!).
It's not impossible for the F1 engine to last 24 hours specially with a low power mode, "the lift and coast", the low temperatures at night and a dozen of 10+ minute pitstops. SCs, FCYs and slow zones would help a lot too.
-The a424 has a heavily modified v634 (alpine said in an interview), when others tried to use it without modifying too much it failed (ginetta g60 lmp1)
-The NASCAR had a gearbox issue and was only allowed to rebuild and continue because of it being a special class, otherwise would have been disqualified
But yeah, if they wanted to make it last 24hrs while being faster than a hypercar by modifying it, they surely would be able to, no doubt in my mind
I think it's very possible for an F1 engine to complete a full 24h Le Mans race. These engines get the absolute sh*t tested out of them in every way possible. People are reacting like an F1 engine is put together by 4 guys in a garage using spare parts. I understand the hold back but again when these engines are running on test banks they get pushed to the absolute limit.
@@haddenindustries2922People forget this engines run balls to the wall for most races that’s why they don’t last long. People also forget F1 engines get 800+ hp out of a 1.6 so they could probably bring it down a little and still be faster than HyperCard.
Didn’t the Garage 56 cars gearbox get shredded. I’m not a huge mechanic person but isn’t that considered an engine issue
The F1 car would also need a starter motor. Because during pit stops cars have to turn off the engine. You can't just turn off and on an F1 car.
While i highly doubt a F1 car would last the whole race,better to not give Max any weird ideas.
Next year: Red Bull garage 56 entry.😂
@@mase8832"Simply,Simply lovely!"
He's likely to be on the Aston Martin WEC Lemans team next year
@naplesbluesrt don't know where you got that false information. The Canadian GP is the same weekend as Lemans next year. Plus he has stated he would only do it after he retires from F1. (Likely after his contract ends in 2028)
@saberdon2341 he'll do the double bro no problem. If Santa can deliver all over the world, Max can do lemans and Montreal in same day NP.
The F1 car would break down, can’t simulate reliability here
There are more factors to “breaking down” than just engines take that into consideration
I think there's a decent chance to complete the 24 hours without breakdown but we'll never know!
@@THEWINDTUNNELwe need garage 56 f1 car
Reliability: F1 car wouldn't have the longevity to function for 24h. Also: night time.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL If we consider the engine rules and the average, if we say that F1 cars generally change engines every 6 races, 6 grand prix equals 1800 km. But at Le Mans, those in the hypercar class travel 4700 km. I think it's enough to understand whether they will succeed or not :D
@@mmunnyy You're only including the race, what about free practices, qualifying, sprints and tests? It's a LOT more than 1800km, only in FP2 they do a race long driving
I guess if you modified the F1 to allow for refueling and have the engine turned way down to last all 24 hours there's a possibility of winning. It would be an interesting project.
Did you saw what happened to the Alpines’s f2 engine during Le Mans? Maybe that will clear things up ahahaha
@@emanuelcosta4023 Yeah but weight makes a difference I would guess 🤔
@@professoroflogic8788it’s not the weight, it’s the reliability aspect! The gearbox itself changed gear almost 25000 times. F1 engine and gearbox just aren’t designed for that type of use. You would have to put an entirely different PU in them to compete
@@crazysoundman Hmmm 🤔 maybe add one of those cool cvt transmissions from a Prius?
@@professoroflogic8788 we saw what happened to an f1 engine last time they did so, and a CVT is way too unreliable
The biggest reliability hurdle for an F1 car at LeMans? Gentlemen drivers in Ferrari GT3 cars.
🤣
In addition to all the engine reliability concerns, to make an F1 car legal to run on this circuit, you would need to add fenders, lights, necessary safety requirements, and a starter. At that point, you would basically have an LMP1
This is a good theoretical video though
Funnily enough F1 cars today can start themselves with their hybrid battery pack haha
They won’t need a starter
it's a terrible video full of fantasies and lies
It’s in game only cuz it’s not viable in irl😂
@@connorohidy8491 its just a game afterall
I think lights would be a very easy fix, their safety is unquestionable up to par. It probably exceeds LMP1, and they have starters. The fenders is definitely an issue though. I wonder if theyd let one compete in garage 56
Good over 1 Lap and good over 24hrs are very different things
The F1 car probably won't survive, the engine isn't built to go that far
not to mention the tires, it'd lose way too much time in the pits
@@kuramisaga Le Mans is a race where you are fuel-limited, not tyre-limited like in an F1 race. You are 90% of the time flat out so tyre wear is minimal. Teams will quadruple-stint tyres at night in real life. That's almost 4 fuel tanks on the same tyres (4 hours!). If F1 tyres can do over 2 hours at Monaco turning the entire time (even with Pirelli's softest choice) why wouldn´t they last 2 hours here?
Unlikely but not impossible, had to go with the best case scenario for this one!
@@kuramisagaI can guarantee that the hardest compound could last at least 20 laps. And the F1 is over 20 seconds a lap quicker. Hoing to pits for a tyre change definitely doesnt take more than a minute even considering a slower time on an out lap. F1 is faster even if it has to pit 4 times and the hypercar pits once. The thing is that the engine would most likely need to be slightly detuned to survive 24 hours. But even with 800hp instead of 1050 it would be faster.
That track is an insanely low tyre degradation one.
Max is just sidequesting 😂😭
Always have been mate that's max verstappen
Never verstoppen
He better stop side questing, and focus on F1, I heard some Brit is giving him a challenge these past few months.
F1 car after the straight: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Le mans car after the straight: bro im chillin
The F1 car would last around 10 laps on the mulsanne straights before it started falling apart.
Everyone is hyperfocused on the engine not lasting that long, and, while that's probably true, I don't think the general public realises just how bumpy the road is on those straights.
Not only would the suspension break apart, the floor of the car wouldn't survive long either if they were to use the normal ride height that makes the whole car work.
Thanks god somebody finally point the Real problem for an F1 Car at Le mans
Plenty of street circuits on the F1 calendar. Some of them are very bumpy. An F1 car would not 'fall apart.' The car is incredibly strong in the loads of which it is designed. Teams run the F1 car as low as they can get away with for the F1 race weekend so the maximum skid block (plank) wear is not exceeded. This skid block is not integral to the structure of the car. It's just bolted onto the bottom of the chassis. An F1 car might be run slightly higher and the wear would just be tolerated. The fact is an F1 car by design has a massive range of potential setups and the team would find one that worked at the circuit. They can probably still do 300km on a single tank of fuel at a circuit like Le Mans. Refuelling however is not fast like it used to be. The REAL technical problem is the tyres which even on the hardest compound are simply not designed to last much more than an hour's running at racing speed. The human factor is also a potentially difficult issue, F1 cars are not designed to be comfortable for 3 hours at a time or whatever like a Le Mans car with big drink bottles, air conditioning, more room for the driver etc
@@pgr3290 i ain't readin allat.
I doubt you could anyway so no worries
Circuit de La Sarthe is a 1/2 a public road. F1 cars won't ever tolerate the less than perfect roads racetracks have that Hypercars need to content with.
Comparing a f1 car to a Le Mans car is like
Comparing a marathon runner to a runner
Sprinter
A better question is how long would an f1 car last in a 24 hour race
Give or take. if it survives the mulsane I’d say maybe like 5-6 hours even with the car saving
@@pcbloxnews wow a reasonable and honest take from a racing fan?? Am I dreaming??
@@codycherrington2314 lmao tbh its mainly the fact that f1 cars run sprint no matter how detuned they are for reliability they either are still unable to handle the constant wear and tear from the track + doing so to much is going to make the car off pace. People dont understand that F1 cars are to fragile and too picky on conditions to deal with Le mans especially on the mulsanne straight after 25 laps the engine would be screaming for help, Suspension would crumble. To sum it up someone else in the comments said "It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions."
@@pcbloxnews alright alright don’t need to flex your knowledge now you did your part
@@pcbloxnewsquestion is, can they make up enough time to swap out the engine haha
Awesome video!! But this don't take into consideration that F1 cars go through heavy repairs and restoration after each weekend. Engine oil would need refilling, gearing would need oil bath, many many parts go through so much care, that we can't figure out. 99% chance F1 wouldn't last more than 5 hours. So a typical Garage 56 in my eyes.
Plus, some can argue that a modern F1 car's engine can last long now, but they forget that it was through multiple "down time" as well by not running at all between races, while a Le Mans Prototype achieved that number over the whole weekend of nonstop running.
Also,i don't think F1 cars are that comfortable to be in for so many hours,even with driver changes,LMPs,Hypercars and GTs have to go through hours lasting races in most part of their lives,F1 cars rarely reach the 2 hours mark per race.
F1 are faster than Hypercars, but they don't even have 50% of the durability
True so it would have to avoid collisions but I think the engine and gearbox would be able to last the 24 hours in certain power settings
@@AndreaKimiAntonelli_12 The gearbox would fall apart in 3 hours. Hypercars change gears more than 25.000 times during Le Mans. An F1 gearbox dies around 3k gear changes.
@@nckSEVEN794Says who?
@@nckSEVEN794 Drivers have a gearbox per 6 races... which they're running for at least a hundred laps, with what 35-70 ish changes per lap... If this was true they'd need way more gearboxes.
@@nckSEVEN794what are you on about? 3000 changes is a low estimate for a single race in F1, not counting practice and qualifying. Make it 5000 per race weekend and multiply by the 6 races they need to last, and you get 30 thousand gear changes…
The thing you leave out here is that the components are not designed for continued use beyond 2 hours. So whilst an F1 engine can last the le man race distance in theory, in practice the sustained usage for hours would likely not see many components last beyond 6 hours
yep. there is difference between 10 hours (circa 6 races) spread between several months and 10 hours running race pace speed non-stop.
It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions.
sounds good but apples to ranges. Respectfully as somone who ran track for over a decade; a better comparison would be a top fuel dragster v an LMP 😂😂
Well I think in real life you would have to modify the F1 extensively like they did with that Camaro NASCAR last year. This was a simulation after all, but I think in real world conditions it might be different. Yes obviously the F1 car would do blistering laps but I think in the long run with more frequent pit stops it might just win or not finish at all
I don't think that F1 cars would be able to withstand the contact in terms of bodywork, trips through gravel, etc. I also think that in-race refueling would pose a problem.
F1 has doen in race refuelling in the past, so I don't think that would be an issue. My bet is the engine won't last unless it's detuned somewhat.
Reliability of the engine is not a concern at all, f1 engines are amazing and can be slightly detuned to last 24h without issue. The only issue would be reliability of the rest of the car and how quickly the components can be changed (brakes calipers for example) most of which are already reliable but not designed to be changed quickly like in LMP1
Absolutely not. You're 100% wrong
I knew this all along, F1 engines lasts 8 race weekends each, easily doing the 24hrs especially short shifting and lifting and coasting, the brakes would also last longer than 2 stints, more like 2 Grand Prix, more like 5 stints, also attach the lights and in the summer open top cars would be easier on the drivers helping offset the extra G force, then if it's really F1 vs Le Mans, the F1 car should be allowed to change tyres and refuel in F1 speed too which would further advantage F1, besides it beats Le Mans even with Le Mans speed pitstops, all haters will hate but reliability isn't a issue in modern F1 and here the F1 car wasn't even running DRS on most of the straights, allow that gg, 30sec a lap.
Also forgot the mileage in practice and qualifying on top of race distance, and the sheer time on full throttle. The engine would have to be turned down hurting fuel efficiency, the hybrid system would be largely ineffective compared to F1 / short circuits due to time spent between braking points putting even more pressure on ICE and fuel capacity. It's like asking Usain Bolt to run against Kipchoge.
11 sets of brake discs and calipers for 24h 😂
I dont think f1 cars are meant to run 24 hours nonstop tho
Neither are nascar cup cars, and that handled le mans pretty well
@@TriplePProductionz with a LOT of extra tunes
@Sliced_Bread1 mostly to the aero and chasis. The engine was almost exactly what they used in nascar, just with a lifted power restriction that raised the HP from 670 to 750
@@TriplePProductionz Exactly!
@@TriplePProductionzwell they do run a lot at max revs for 4 hours at a time anyways
Safety cars usually harm the engine more than a full speed lap in terms of temps. This because less air goes trough the car and the engine is not cooled enough
Possible reliability improvement
- Rev limiting to 10-12,000 rpms to reduce engine wear
- Use aero windshield to reduce driver's fatigue
- Changing the brakes, suspensions, electrical wires to have more endurance by sacrificing performance to improve wear
This way the car would be 3-5s slower than the current one but could save up time without changing more parts during the pits.
I think people really underestimate the reliability of F1 cars, of course a GP spec car won't be able to run for 24h but I don't think the F1 car will need too many changes to be able to do so and win the race with a confortable gap.
WHAT IF:
You were to race a Formula One car, an IndyCar car, a NASCAR Garage 56 Camaro from the 2023 Le Mans race, a 1976 Dodge Charger that ran over 600 horsepower, a 1976 Ford Torino, a DeltaWing (all
types), a Mazda 787B, a Jaguar XJR-12, a Porsche 917, a Porsche 936, and a Chaparral 2F on the same circuit at the exact same time? Modern open wheel cars, classic Le Mans cars, and even the most UNIQUE cars to ever race on the Circuit de La Sarthe.
Cars 2 show us the result back in 2011 😂
Le Alpine: very funny, but le real question is "could a F2 win the 24h of le mans?"
You're also forgetting about all the practice and qualifying sessions for F1. They are more durable than you think now adays
That shit doesn't last 24 hours
Considering they only are allowed to use 3 engines the entire season, Including all practice, qualifying, and any sprint qualifying races without penalty, yeah, it's possible it could last.
@@surgemeister01I know
its probably more like they are less durable than you think lol. practice almost doesnt count as they are just testing stuff, not at race pace. and quali is just like 8 laps top speed. its not that big of a load on the car.
If they severely detuned it. That engine running at 15000 RPM for wouldn't last 2 hours let alone 24. Looking at you, Mazda
F1 engines never get to 15000rpm anyways, they shift at around 11800rpm and its easy to detune the engine and still have a speed advantage over the Hypercars
If they use longer gears detune the engine and make it more electrical like the 2026 regulations wouldn't it be more reliable?
shouldnt the f1 car refuel in pit garage with extremely slow fuel flow rate
They're capable of refueling quickly, the equipment just isn't allowed outside of the garage on F1 weekends
also what i think is not taken into consideration is that driving F1 car is more physically demanding than hypercar, due to the speed, the way the car drives etc. not saying hypercar is easy to drive at all but compared to F1 is easier and the drivers are still super exhausted at the end. 3 F1 drivers would not be nearly enough to get through 24 hours.
1) not nearly enough flashing of the lights by the cars, gotta flash the cars you wont catch for 10 laps, or you wont catch them.
2) F1 cars are not designed to refuel, parts have to come off. and if they modified it to refuel, it wouldnt be allowed to carry as much. BOP would likely have them add weights to equal the original.
3) fully opening the cooling, would lower the f1 top speed.
This is best case scenario factors for an f1 car.
Theres 24 races for the 2024 season, and each race is about 2 hours, but in 2023 each team were allowed 3 engines (in 2024 they’re given 4, but exclude that since we need the engines to be more reliable).
At best an f1 car can only make 15-16 hours of an endurance race and thats being very generous with its reliability
If there is any team Insane enough to attempt this it's definitely RedBull.
I don't think F1 car's gearbox is rated for a continuous run. Sure it can last the distance, but F1 race are not a continuous 24 hours of runtime
I'd also be interested if you throw in a Porsche 919 in there, and see how big of a difference LMP1 could make.
With the amount of time on the straights I reckon the F1 car would overheat after a couple of hours.
It's not continuous, there's a 12-minute stop every 2 hours!
@@THEWINDTUNNEL A regular F1 engine would be taking a week break vs 12 minutes
I would love to see them do this. Even a 12hr with both team drivers sharing a car. Not sure why they don't do it actually
If an F1 car can last 6 hours of Le Mans I'd be impressed. It will never last the full 24 unless they do engine, gearbox, suspension, and brake swaps.
Try doing a full-scale race-off between all racing classes, and give some of them superpowers (superbike doesn't have to brake around curves, rally can go off-road and cut corners via infield, drift is always cornering, etc.)
The engine honestly isn't the concern, modern F1 engines are built to last as it helps their image of sustainability and keeps costs down, something the sport has been scrutinized heavily for the past few seasons. I can see overheating being an issue, though. If you gave a competing F1 team a month to design components like suspension, aero and the floor durable enough to finish Le Mans, I doubt they'd find it a challenge and all those parts would hold up, easily. I think the biggest concern would be eating through tyres, if we're saying it's on the current Pirelli F1 tyre offerings. Even then, I can see a world where that's a non-issue even with Pirelli's engineered-in cliffs in the tyres, and I think in a wet race the F1 car would have even more of a pace advantage and inters/wets that would comfortably last hours. Also, Fernando did a lap in an F1 car in 2021 that we can get plenty of data from. Driver 61 has a video covering it on his channel
They would need a very special tire compound that wouldn't implode 30 laps in like curent Pirelli, and can withstand an F1 torque and power which curent LMPH tires probably can't
The lack of grip alone would cost it a bit
Then you got the fact these cars are super fragile, if they lose a little of bodywork their advantage would drop exponentialy
Also
You forgot the most important factor that can stop the F1 car dead on its tracks
Rain
Rain wouldn't affect the F1 car. FIA though...
Good video, however the F1 car would no doubt employ tactic such as not going flat out to extend runs in between stops.
The breaks and suspension would be beefed up to cope so its stops would be shorted and less frequent.
An easy win for F1
I seriously doubt F1 engine out of the box would be able to withstand 24 hours of near constant running. Serious changes would've been needed which would result in what by all accounts a new class or a formula for F1 derived 24 hour race car. So, on purely technical grounds, no, F1 car couldn't wing 24 hours of Le Mans.
Sorry bro, but as a driver from Road to le Mans last week, I can tell you that changing breaks is most faster than you simulated… On a GT3, I took a chrono of 1 minute and 15 seconds to change 4 tires and front breaks with only 4 guys working on the car (it was amazing to see it btw !). So considering 5 minutes for all four seems to be more realistic if the guys are a bit low 😅 Nice sim btw, thx for your content !
Wow that's so cool, hope you had fun. The thing F1's brakes are WAY more complex that the one's in a GT3 car. Other components (bodywork, suspensions, oil refills) would have to be changed too. That's why it takes that long.
Its possible but speed cheat on Hypercars obviously distance of a lot Le-mans would have to work on speed increases in Hypercar
It’ll last, just until the sun goes down.
people worried about the engien and gearbox lasting, forgetting that the F1 car has no lights for Night racing.
You could add some lights, but how would that effect the weight, balance, laptimes
endurance race are totally different with formula cars especially on their strategies, in endurace teams principals searching how to running this cars without any problems for 24 hours, if see in this video RB20 just 3 laps can overlaping the backmarker of hypercar's, this is of course different from the main goal. but if u see into the f1 sprint when all teams using the full power because of just 100km racing, the formula cars it's designed for full power racing and if u see the normal f1 race around of 50-70 laps (depending on the circuit distance) the first of laps all teams using full power for reaching front row podium position but if the racing already reach over 15 laps all teams using endurance strategies to maintain tyres or fuel to unexpected event for overtake opponents teams (excpet. for qatar 2023)
And this is ONLY with the Hypercar grid. Add LMP2 and LMGT3, it will be EXTRA painful to stay cautious.
Also, just to give the F1 extra win, they definitely gonna run the Monza Setup. Small wing, minimal wing adjustment.
My lone thing with the F1 car is that the slightest touch would likely destroy the suspension as currently constructed. Obviously, Le Mans tries not to be quite the rough and tumble sport that NASCAR is, but there's some contact that comes with the territory. I'd always be worried about breaking either the wing or the suspension at the slightest touch.
I would love to see the outcome of this with a slightly modified grid, incorporating a mix of formula one cars of different eras, v6, v8, v10, v12, to see how they fare vs the endurance cars and each other over the full race distance.
Not only the reliability would be a problem also the weather, we all know that the Night which was mostly „skipped“ in this Video would be the part that would show if a F1 Car would perform. And we also know that it rains nearly every LeMans race which would also make the F1 Car Slower
If it were the 2 hours of le mans and the car and extra ride height for the bumps on the public road parts, maybe
F1 cars are not designed to run that long.
You could probably build enough gap to deal with that.
Lots of components of the F1 car have a limited amount of time they can be used before they have to be replaced. Brakes, suspension, wings, and so on. The Brawn gp car from Jenson Button f.i. can not be driven in anger any more because a lot of those parts must be replaced, but there are no replacement parts.
So, a F1 car can not do the 24 hrs without spending hours in the pits.
Some other things, they can not be refuelled quickly, they need loads more tyres than the Hypercar, have no lights, no lightened number on the side and I doubt if they can be driven as low to the ground as they need for the ground effect to be maximized. The Mulsanne straight has a crest in it and ruts from lorry's.
I think the engine wouldn’t necessarily be the first issue, I think the brakes would need a lot more work. Currently F1 brakes are build to last 800 km, Hypercar brakes are built to last 6000 km.
If you can, please watch the 24h of le mans this saturday its so much better than f1
WEC and IMSA are so much more interesting to watch. So much more strategy, skill, and team work is involved, and a lot fewer prima donnas. F1 racing is fine, but I find it closer to NASCAR than endurance racing. Le Mans has 3 car classes, not to mention amateur drivers, so you have much more complex traffic to negotiate.
Agreed
I actually did but i doubt i could ever watch it properly, i fell asleep like 5 times, but it was great though. The 6hour races are fine though, and I'd like to check out supergt but it's a pity it's only in English sub. Imsa I'll need to check out too
F1 nowadays is more about the history behind it, how teams got to this point, while le mans is still interesting because it last longer
It`s also worth mentioning that 499f is quite slow prototype, maybe group C level. Porsche 919 or ts050 are much faster
On speed alone, yes it could, but it’s unlikely an F1 car would last 24 hours. The tyres aren’t nearly as long lasting as they are in WEC, the car phisically can’t refuel, and driver change would be a hassle too as the seats are molded to each driver. The engine survivability is questionable too, while I think with some limitations to it’s performance (rev limit maybe?) it might survive 24 hours.
Probably with a bunch pf mods to make the engine last over 48 hours its possible if there is no contact chassis may need to be modded as well to tolerate more damage
While maybe the F1 engine could last 24h, what you aren't taking into account is the stresses of every component down to it's last nut and bolt, it would need lights installed, it's made for the perfect race, not a 24 hour one so it would inevitably take damage to the floor by running over kerbs, it would take a monumental beating, I'd be surprised if one finished the race. To add to that also, Le Mans Hypercars are made to endure a GT car turning in on it, F1 is not so one small mistake in lapping GT traffic, one that every team makes and suddenly F1 car is out
you would probably modify the fuel cap too for refueling since they haven't done that in f1 since 2009
If you could prep an F1 car for Le Mans I am pretty sure they could run for 24hr.
The engine would be tuned down and the driving style would be less agressive than what you see in a GP but they would still retain a huge aero and weight advantage over hypercars. Fast curves, traction out corners, braking would all still be in favour of F1 cars.
Would you consider something like this for F1 at the Indy 500?
Obviously the Indycars will have the speed advantage, but would the range of an F1 car be enough to make it compete over a race distance? The F1 car could theoretically 2 stop the race on fuel, so whether the hard tyres would hold on to make that possible is a question
That would be quite interesting isn't it? 🤔
i mean if a driver can drive an f1 for longer hours at a time would be a better question, lewis stated that f1 drivers lose 3 to 4 lbs each race, there's no airconditioning, open cock pit high g forces, driving at those speeds for extended periods is a formula for accidents to happen.
adding wheelcovers or bodywork will make an f1 more aero efficient than its weight penalty. Reliability on paper is doable, and some f1 teams have made engines and gearboxs last long enough over a season to not fall foul of the engine limit penalties.
But we know it will clap the cheeks of any lemans car ever by the stopwatch.
an interesting vid would be how far back in time would you need to go back in f1 time to make a fair fight... i reckon early 80s vs lmp1h
Brake changes as well as other maintenence would have to be made that could cost severel laps each pit stop for the F1 car. That and driver changes. I dont think an F1 car would be able to do this flawlessly.
What mod is that 499P? I'm part of a league that do endurance racing on AC, but the Hypercars we're using are by TRR and this one seems slightly higher quality.
Is it part of a pack as well?
i think one of the biggest issue of the F1 will be the reason we can't race F1 cars in Sebring; the track. The Mulsanne Straight is an open road the rest of the year, and as i went by myself i can tell it's too bumpy for them and i think F1 will take a lot of damages from it.
I think you'd need at least 2 F1 cars and 2 drivers to run 24 hours as the cars are not designed to run that long
Except the RB20 swaps engine every 3 hours and gearbox, it's not feasible. We haven't even talked about how many sets of tires itll use the stressed components changes
The F1 car would need to stop 12 times, assuming you could make tires hard enough to last 2 hours, but at that point the F1 car would not whip around the corners this well. F1 power units also are meant to last 7 or so races, which is about 14 hours (not continuously). It would be better to swap these power unit out for something that makes more sense, like a V8 turbo, but at that point it’s a whole different car. You might as well modify a 2010 car in a low drag configuration and built to run longer, back-to-back stints. At some point after this, it’s no longer an “F1 car” as the vehicle would not meet all the regulations from any season in F1 history. Maybe you could try meeting the early 80s turbo era regulations but tune for fuel economy instead of careless 1400 hp builds. The aerodynamics would be much better than in those days with today’s tech, but I’m not sure about the specifics of every single rule from those times
TL;DR you might as well design a purpose-built open-wheel car
Yeah aint no way. the thing breaks 6 Hours in... In an Endurance Race it isnt just enginge breaks and transmission... EVERY tiny part needs to last 24 Hours. In no world does a F1 car survive that
exactly people seem too forget that an car is not only the engine, the tyres or the transmission. no part in an formula car is build too last this long under full pressure, even half the pressure is too much. after max 3 hours the car would break down or fall apart on the track itself. and i`am not talking about the engine, the transmission or the tyres, there are many many other parts that wouldn`t last this long in race speed.
Lets also not forget you have a field of 50-55 cars. The F1 car will get held up behind a tailgater. There will be laps under the safety car for crashes or weather conditions........
Anyone talking about reliability, here the major problem (other than durability of components etc.) is the stamina of the drivers, F1 is more challenging, a stint in a F1 car is insane, no one can resist, need more drivers and more pits.
With 30 sets of tyres, 15 refueling stops and 3-5 times brake changes, maybe 1 gearbox, and Monza Setup and short shifting possible. And 3 similar drivers. Over 50 % finishing rate. In the 2000's impossible.
le mans cars are highly regulated with power limits, minimum weight and such
I think one of the main issues would be a lack of lights on the car. They ain't gonna win if the can't even see the track at night
My 3 drivers would be Lewis Max Fenrando.
Quite the lineup
Hell nah with Lewis Has-Been-Ilton. He crashes too much. Max, Fernando, and Piastri.
As an engineer I can say this is totally impossible. The car would break down for sure. Your calculation lacks 2 major things:
Firstly: The engine and gearbox gets replaced every 6 to 9 races which is true, but one race is 305km long which is in the end 1830km to 2745km. In addition to that, the distance the F1 car can travel due to its superior pace is much higher than that of a LMP car.
Second: and this one is the major thing: f1 engines and gearboxes get completely overhauled after each race. All fluids will be exchanged for example. Even the tiniest spot of damage will be dealt with accordingly. The block itsself will be scanned for micro cracks and other parts will be too. This is the reason they even last 6 to 9 races.
These engines are not designed to last a lot over 305km and will severely take damage once over a certain threshold, which is not really far above the 305km mark. F1 cars are designed to be on the edge of what is physically possible in the given circumstances of the F1 rulebook
The engines last up to 9 weekends, not races. Each weekend is 600+ km
@@THEWINDTUNNEL True but it still wouldnt last without maintenance
I'm amazed that it was this close tbh! Tbh in reality I think the F1 car would probably have an accident, since they're more fragile than hypercars and it's extremely difficult to do 24 hours without any contact at all.
The problem is that it's not an accurate sim, F1 hard tyres would not last as long as a set of WEC tyres, the F1 would need to run on WEC spec tyres, there is no way any F1 compound could double stint a set of tyres, which would reduce the lap times significantly. Also, performance of an F1 engine tuned for 8 GPs would be about 5-10 seconds/lap slower than normal tuning. I'm also doubtful that even the best and fittest F1 drivers could manage that many 2 hour stints at F1 G forces, so either they'd have to slow down or do more drier changes, which would take longer on the pitstops that are only set up in this sim for fuel.
Now Race with GT3 and LMP2 cars😁
The only way I see an f1 car getting onto the Le Mans Grid is under Garage 56, and even then would probably need to be a detuned older car to even think about surviving the race distance, unless they tone down the horsepower that engine wont last 24 hours
This is like the best video you've ever made! But im surprised you didnt run the engine on a lower mode
I don't think he said a single thing in this video that was actually true. This is the hottest garbage ever. It's so wrong it hurts
It is just a head scratcher that there never has been a major formula style ( indycar, F1, F2, formula atlantic, formula mazda, formula ford etc.) Endurance race anywhere. Some race oganizer can make some money starting a trend there. Multi-class formula race cars on one track for 12 or 24 hours? I'd be glued to the 📺 T.V.!!
It would have to be a race of formula style race cars only. If you put heavier GT3 cars in a 24 hour race and they crash with a formula style race car the formula driver could really get hurt cause they weigh waaay less. And a lighter car will get slammed around with more G-forces faster than the heavier race car.
Hell yeah let’s put the whole F3 and Italian F4 grids together at Monza
on paper yes but actually no, like vegas, the straights in le mans are just too long and f1 engines are not designed to run in such long straights
Funny that a car powered by a Cosworth DFV V8 (an engine originally designed for F1) won Le Mans, twice.
@@AdamTheMan1993different regulations
Great video but I doubt it would be as simple in reality. Come to think of it, a F1 car with all the necessary modifications made for endurance racing is more or less what a LMH is. There's a reason why these things can last a 24h race at the cost of only 25 seconds per lap compared to a F1. Heck, even this video somewhat proves it with the F1 finishing only a single lap ahead when it terms of pure speed, the beginning of the race showed it was largely capable of outlaping the LMH cars several times in just the first hour.
Lapped traffic would be a nightmare for the F1 car.
Which downforce setup did the F1 car used? I believe Le Mans would demand some setup like Monza
An f1 engine will never last for the 24h of le mans. An F1 gp covers a distance of 300 km. So, if the 24h covers a distance of 4651 km, that would be like 15,5 GPs not 7,5.
A GP has 3h of practice and 1h of qualifying too. So 600-650 km in total
The answer is no , the engine alone wouldn’t make it 24hrs and no engine , chassis or gearbox change is permitted during the race and considering a Ferrari are on their 4th engine in 10 races and you can’t save the engines by short shifting and lift and coast , it will help but it won’t gain you much because f1 cars already do all of them things with lift and coast to maintain fuel flow and engine/brake temp and optimal shifting RPM that produces the most efficient and reliable gearbox for the speed they need
Great concept and video, did you use Assetto Corsa to simulate the 24 hour race, or another game.
Fantastic video! What if you ran the numbers in another video on the V10 era?
In "le mans" conditions not only the reability of the engine matters, also think about brakes temperature, wheels... An F1 and a proto are made for absolutely oposite kind of race.
W11 vs Porsche 919 Evo in Le Mans ❤
Hello, great video ! Appreciate it 🔥
I was wondering which mods did you use for the hypercars ?
I mean, of course if you just throw in a Formula 1 car as it is into a 24 hour race it's not going to finish. However, modern F1 cars are as reliable as they've ever been, unlike the days of the 2000's were an engine needed to last just 1 race and that's it. Still, it likely wouldn't make it because it wasn't designed for that.
Of course, if this were to actually happen, extensive testing would be done to make sure the 24 hour race distance would be able to be done. Besides, if cars like Peugeot 905 was able to finish and win Le Mans with an engine that was nearly identical to their F1 engine, then I don't see why modern engines couldn't last 24 hours with proper modifications.
U should have done this with the F2004 with Slicks 😁 Maybe u can make a vid of the F2004 with slicks doing 24 hours of Le Mans ?
If you just look at instantaneous performance, yeah on paper an F1 car could win, but an F1 car is not designed for long stints, on a topical race weekend, they maybe run 5 hours at most, and how many times over a season do they need to change engines and other parts, that’s your answer, the F1 car would breakdown even before you got to the 8 hour period.
No, because the track is too bumpy, but if there were a 24 hr race on an F1 track, then I'd all be up to reliability. The F1 car, even with 1 stop every 5 or 6laps would slap the hypercars. However, 24 hours is basically 6-7 F1 weekends, and that without changing the engine or any part for that matter. In this regard, I think if the 20 F1 cars were to race with the hypercars, it would probably be an F1 victory, but 1 on 1, the odds are in favor of the hypercars.