@@RandomGuy37 Similar to how Makinen was going to go home after he thought Sainz would easily win the title, but then a friend came on the phone saying the Toyota Corolla Sainz was driving had blown up. Makinen thought the friend was kidding him, but then some reporters started telling him as well and he realised it was true. Probably the most dramatic title deciders in motorsports. The WRC equivalent of Man City vs QPR.
What about the insanity of Alpha Tauri last year though? - score points with Nyck de Vries - sack him after a former world champion does some quicker laps when stepping in as a neutral driver for a Pirelli tyre test - leave the car empty for a few races - realise halfway through the Zandvoort weekend that Liam Lawson is available - drop Lawson after a bunch of good races and go back to one car
61 is an interesting year, in this version Hill gets more points over the season but bc of the pick the best 5 out of the 8 races, Von Trips gets the title And we get the controversy way earlier than in reality
I love this genre of Mr. V being our tour guide into the parallel universes of F1. This has been the best use of Microsoft Excel in F1 since being Williams' enterprise resource planning platform.
I love the storytelling you bring to this. It could so easily have been a simple rundown of the champions, but you bring the real life events into this parallel timeline to weave compelling narratives that would be the talk of the F1 World. That Massa stretch from 2006-2008 is especially compelling, particularly considering the real life 2008 Brazil GP. Bravo, Mr V!
I love the idea that Mercedes wouldn't compete for multiple years and then comeback with Russell to immediately win the championship and leave the sport again
That kinda tracks with their attitude in other motorsports series that arent F1 in real life. They show up, then leave for an insane amount of time, come back and win in dominant fashion.
@@CrusardModdingI think stroll would win the 2025 championship assuming that drivers like Lawson, Bearman and Antonelli would be placed in backmarker teams Edit:either way he might be considered one of the greatest to never win a championship(TBF in this world he’s gonna have a lot of wins)
Because he's an extremely consistent driver and has been pretty much since before he was 20. In 2017, whenever he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (strategy at Monaco and Massa terrorism at Monza), he never finished behind a slower or equal car. In 2018, whenever he finished a race without a skill issue (Australia spin, China crash, and Monaco FP3 crash), he never finished behind a slower or equal car. [This is the only time I have to exclude skill issues - the six race stretch to start the season is almost inarguably his worst stretch of races in his career, especially when considering races he finished. Hilariously, in this alternate timeline, he wins three of the four races he finished during that stretch, only finishing behind Ocon and Gasly at Monaco.] In 2019 and 2020, whenever he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (Vettel terrorism at Silverstone 2019, engine penalty and Perez terrorism at Monza 2019, Bottas terrorism at Mexico 2019, and an asymmetrical front wing at Turkey 2020), he never finished behind a slower or equal car. In 2021, he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (Bottas terrorism in Hungary) behind an equal car once (Hamilton at Bahrain) and behind a slower car zero times. In 2022, whenever he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (Perez Q3 red flag at Monaco, blocked Venturi tunnel at Silverstone, qualifying strategy blunder at Singapore, setup issues at Brazil), he won. In 2023, he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (Q2 engine failure at Jeddah and setup issues at Singapore) behind another car once (Perez at Baku). So far in 2024, whenever he's finished a race, he's won.
1. Fewest seasons would be 1. This puts Stewart, Regazzoni, Villeneuve, and Hamilton tied 2. Win percentage for rookie winners.. CR was 75%, JV was 68%, LH was 52%, and JS was 40% Don't forget that Clay Regazzoni also won F2 the same season he won F1 and only drove in 8/15 F1 races that year. Surely he has to be the GOAT
It's actually way funnier (and way worse) than real life - the safety car mistakenly picks up the nearly lapped Lando Norris, putting Sainz nearly a whole lap ahead of Lando (as well as Esteban Ocon), and the race director fails to wave the two cars through, which would be the standard procedure. Only after fierce lobbying from McLaren team principal Zak Brown did the race director finally order the safety car to give Norris and Ocon the wave through - but with only two laps until the checkered flag, and the fast pace of the safety car, Norris and Ocon were utterly unable to catch back up to the queue, with Norris finishing 55 seconds behind Sainz, never having an opportunity to attack for the win and the championship.
Drivers who survive due to getting banned: Peter Collins: 2 years before death Luigi Musso: 1 year before death Harry Schell: 2 years before death (likely) Jim Clark: 5 years before death (likely) Jochen Rindt: 4 years before death Ronnie Peterson: 7 years before death Gilles Villenueve: 3 years before death Elio de Angelis: 2 years before death Ayrton Senna: 7 years before death
Jim clark died in a formula 2 race. Given he was banned from formula 1 but not formula 2 there's a good chance he would have still been at that race. I am currently doing an alternate history if every season had 23 races and 2 cars per team. In that universe with so many F1 races, F1 drivers wouldn't have also competed in F2 races so Clark wouldn't have been at the hockenheim F2 race.
P1: Lando Norris (banned in 2023) P2: Max Verstappen (banned in 2018) P3: Charles Leclerc (banned in 2019) P4: Sergio Perez (banned in 2017) P5: Carlos Sainz (banned in 2021) P6: Lewis Hamilton (banned in 2007) P7: Yuki Tsounda (WINNER)
I still can’t get around the fact that Zhou gets a podium in the Kick Sauber in Bahrain in this universe Edit: And I just realized Logan gets fastest lap in that same race….
I can easily live in this universe. Nico, Checo, Mark Webber, DC and Daniel win the WDC, Max breaks records, Schumacher doesn't do illegal things and most importantly Phil Hill doesn't win the title. Mr V, thank you for this amazing universe, where Danny Ric, Checo and DC become Champions.
If real life applies this system, I think it would be great to have a higher series, maybe Formula Legacy where only World Championship driver battle each other
I was thinking about it but I believe it would turn to be the new F1 Championship. Unless there was a twist like equal machinery for all drivers, less races, also the need for elimination because, remember, there would be a new retiring champion every year! In general it would be suitable as a ceremonial championship and not a really competitive one
Makes a point that maybe only drivers who have won F2 should be allowed to compete and they are then guaranteed a seat, by enforcing a rule that the driver who's been in F1 the longest must retire to make way.
This really shows how good Martin Brundle was in real life, and even here he still could not win a WDC. At least we had George Russell carrying the flag for King's Lynn 30 years later.
He was a decent #2 driver, basically the 1990s version of Perez or Bottas but with less individual success. Worse still for Brundle, the availability of former champions like Johnny Herbert means this alternate timeline would not involve him making a name for himself as a prominent TV commentator. Anthony Davidson would be another big loser, his career in the top class of the World Endurance Championship never getting off the ground thanks to Peugeot and Toyota picking drivers with more success in the WEC’s feeder series (Formula 1, so named because it would lead to LMP1 seats for successful drivers) than he had. He would now be hosting a sim racing podcast, not on TV covering F1.
Based on this video, it'd be interesting if F1 took the Vendee Globe model (the Vendee Globe is a 4-yearly round-the-world sailing race), where the reigning champion is forced to sit out the next edition, but can then freely compete after that. Unless they win again, in which case they are again forced to sit out a race.
As an Aussie fan, this gave Webber and Ricciardo victories, and seems likely to give Piastri one this year. So I'd say that makes these videos all worth it.
I like to think of it this way. They're still on the grid and still get prize money etc. but the championship is more "ceremonial" like a Hall of Fame type thing
Or maybe: former WDC still there without points, but their car still get WCC points, so teams would still want former WDC in their car to score WCC points
@@MrVsGarage That would make sense with things that can't be accounted for - like Felipe Massa wouldn't be able to terrorize Max Verstappen at the 2017 Italian Grand Prix if he was banned, but you obviously can't simulate the race if that hadn't happened, so Massa is still on track and competing just as hard as in our timeline.
In this year's alternative universe championship Oscar Piastri looks incredibly dominant with 14 wins out of 15 races and a 150 points lead (362) over second place (Stroll 206), Seargent is the only driver who will not breach the 100-point barrier. As of now (after Zandvoort; Race 15) Piastri needs 4 more wins to completely secure his championship title.
Checking at the end of the season, I’m ignoring the sprint at Austin, but it doesn’t matter,as after the Dutch GP, Oscar wins the following 4 Grand Prix, as well as Vegas and Qatar, and only misses out on a Grand Prix podium once after the Dutch Grand Prix, in Mexico.
I did the math for the 2024 season in this system, and Piastri achieves unheard of levels of domination. In 22 races so far, he wins 19, with 4/5 sprints, with 20 poles (4 sprints) and 13 fastest laps to boot. He scores 569 points, out of 612 maximum points for a perfect season, 93% of the theoretical limit. Here are some highlights Bahrain - Piastri starts the season and everyone knows its already over. He wins from pole, and laps every other car except Lance Stroll, who finishes P2 37 seconds behind, though Logan Sargeant gets fastest lap despite finishing last Jeddah - Ferrari fields a car for the first and only time since 2021, as rookie Oliver Bearman gets 2nd place and the fastest lap on his debut race. Piastri wins from pole Australia - Piastri wins his home race from pole and gets fastest lap, finishing almost a minute ahead of the competition Miami - So far, Piastri has won 5 races and 2 sprints, all from pole, and he looks set to do it again, starting from the front of the grid. However, in a shocking turn of events, he picks up damage seemingly out of nowhere and finishes 4th, handing the win to Yuki Tsunoda, despite getting fastest lap. Imola to Singapore - After Miami, Piastri vows never to let such a thing happen again, and proceeds to win the next twelve races, with a sprint thrown in for flavour, all from pole except for Spain, which he loses to Alpine's Pierre Gasly. Austin - Haas finds some unexpected pace in the US Grand Prix, with Kevin Magnussen starting from pole in the sprint, and to everyone's surprise, he keeps the lead, finishing 12 whole seconds ahead of Oscar Piastri. The race isnt so kind however, as Piastri wins from pole yet again while Kmag can only manage P4. Mexico City - At Mexico, Magnussen realizes that he rather likes winning, and takes pole from Piastri yet again. The race comes down to the very last lap, but Magnussen keeps his lead, finishing 1.3 seconds ahead of the championship leader. Brazil - In a shocking twist of fate, last week's winner receives a race ban, and has to be replaced yet again by Ollie Bearman for his 3rd F1 race. The sprint goes well for Piastri, who wins pole to flag, but the race is not as easy. A wet quali session lands Yuki Tsunoda on pole, though the race is won by Esteban Ocon. Piastri does steal fastest lap however. Bearman can only manage 6th, and for the first time in his career, finishes a grand prix off the podium and without the fastest lap. Vegas - Pierre Gasly finds monstrous form in quali and takes pole, though an engine failure causes him to retire early into the race. Piastri cruises home to a 19th race win Which brings us to Qatar. Piastri has won the championship long ago at this point, but the fight for P2 is still very much on. Despite having zero race wins, zero poles, and zero fastest laps, P2 is currently held by Lance Stroll, on 263 points. But there's 4 other drivers gunning for his spot, with Ocon at 260, Tsunoda at 256, Gasly at 247, and Magnussen at 246. Separated by a margin of just 17 points, all of these drivers are still very much on for the silver Some other interesting facts - Logan Sargeant finishes last in 8 of his 15 classified races, but does still outscore his replacement Franco Colapinto by 1 point, owing to his 2 fastest lap point to Franco's zero - In his 9 career races, Colapinto finishes 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th two times each, with no fastest laps and 1 DNF. If he'd raced the whole season with the same performance, he'd easily be out in 2nd - Liam Lawson scores the least at 45, finishing 1 point behind Oliver Bearman's 46 - The standings so far are Piastri, Stroll, Ocon, Tsunoda, Gasly, Magnussen, Zhou, Sargeant, Colapinto, Bearman and Lawson
I also was curious and did the math and Oscar would have had the drivers title locked up after Baku (with 7 races and 3 sprints remaining!) and single-handedly give McLaren the constructors over both Alpines after Las Vegas
Update after Qatar - Piastri wins both the sprint and the race, with pole and FL, is up to 603 points, bumping his points percentage up to 93.34%. If he takes the win and FL at Abu Dhabi as well, he'll be at 93.60% - The race for 2nd has changed completely. The gap between 2nd and 6th is just 8 points now, with two separate ties. Gasly jumps 3 places sitting at 272, Stroll and Yuki are tied at 268 a piece, though Yuki takes 3rd because he has a win, Kmag and Ocon are tied at 264, and both of them have 1 win, but Ocon has 1 more second place (idk how sprint wins factor into this) so he's on 5th. - Logan and Franco are now tied on 97 - Liam overtakes Ollie and now sits at 56 points
Didn't think I'd be welling up watching an alternative history Felipe Massa redemption arc when I woke up this morning but here we are. It definitely produced some dud seasons but you've done really well picking storylines out of this data; brilliant work.
for anyone wondering; oscar is currently leading this year's championship with 235 points (7/8 gp wins) ahead of yuki, who has 126 points. the standings as of 13/06: 1. oscar (235) 2. yuki (126) 3. lance (121) 4. esteban (112) 5. pierre (99) 6. kevin (95) 7. guanyu (86) 8. logan (47) 9. ollie (19)
Hahaha, at 0:22, Introducing yourself as the guy who likes Exel too much is a nice touch, these types of details just further my amazement for your effort! Keep it up big guy ! your content scales mountains of quality !
OHHHH I nearly cried when Felipe Massa won the 2008 in front of his home crowd…… 2012 seems to be really exciting and Nico Hulkenburg winning a title is also emotional considering his no-podium career in real timeline. And always praying for a real season where Charles wins the WDC……
Awesome part 2. The safety discussion at the end was really strong - I also loved the storytelling from 12:05 about how well WDC winners are doing in other series, and whether the rule should be changed to allow them back in 😂 really enjoyed these.
I wanted to show that as much as people complain about dominant eras, when you take them away it makes the sport feel... wrong. Also, I think lots of newer fans aren't really aware about the amount of on track fatalities in early F1 and the reasons why the sport needs to be so strict on safety
Oscar has now won 12 out the 13 races this year. If he wins the next 5 races, he will be mathematically uncatchable by his next competitor, Lance Stroll, and crowned world champion in Singapore. If Tsunoda or Stroll dnf the next 3 races, Oscar could be champion by Monza in round 16. Alpine are putting up a decent fight for the constructors, what with having two drivers, but still can't keep up with Piastri's consistency single-handedly carrying Mclaren in the constructors. And yes, I keyed it all in manually, not a great 3am activity. As of the Hungarian Grand prix, the standings are: 1 - Oscar Piastri - McLaren - 313 2 - Lance Stroll - Aston Martin - 170 3 - Yuki Tsunoda - Racing Bulls - 164 4 - Esteban Ocon - Alpine - 137 5 - Kevin Magnussen - Haas - 135 6 - Pierre Gasly - Alpine - 123 7 - Zhou Guanyu - Sauber - 103 8 - Logan Sargeant - Williams - 70 9 - Oliver Bearman - Ferrari - 18 I'm 87% sure that's correct, if the website doesn't wipe my progress I might update this as we go.
I haven’t seen your videos before, despite being a massive F1 fan, but after watching the two parts of this series one after the other I can definitely say that I enjoyed what I saw!
I think the better way to think of the way cars and teams disappear from the grid would be that the drivers who win can still race, but their results don’t count for the drivers. They count for the constructor’s title only or something
Because we have this crazy second mid-season break, I've gone through and done this for all the races so far this season. Oscar is winning by a landslide: he's won every race apart from Miami (which was won by Yuki), and is currently on a 12-race winning streak with 473 points. P2 was a battle between Tsunoda and Stroll for a while, but now it looks like Tsunoda has fallen off, letting Ocon come through to challenge Stroll. In Colapinto's three races he has been on the podium every time (P3, P2, P2), and already has 51 points to the 96 Sargeant managed to rack up until Zandvoort. The funniest bit was when Ferrari, having not competed since 2021, and who will again not be competing in 2025, entered Ollie Bearman for 1 race in Jeddah, got P2 and fastest lap, and then bounced. Or when Sargeant didn't start in Australia, because his car was being used by...no one? Also, with Piastri banned for next year, it looks like Toto's dreams will come true and Antonelli will be set for a rookie championship win!
The good work never comes easy, that's why it's so rewarding when you finish it. You did a good work mate, both videos are excellent and it even raise some awareness about other drivers that didn't had the attention at the time but can have their talents recognized. Really good job, thank you for the effort to put it online
The only timeline in which he lives and probably becomes champion is the one where Ferrari put him straight in one of their cars after graduating from the academy since Massa and Alonso have retired a long time before
@@claudiomichieletto9874 Eh. He still pushes through the double yellows at Suzuka. The timeline in which he lives is the one where either drivers are held accountable for their own safety, or preemptive measures are taken to save drivers from themselves. (And we even saw at Japan in 2022 that the latter isn't entirely effective, with multiple drivers driving dangerously fast for the conditions under safety car and Gasly even doing so under red flags.)
Hmm... maybe a follow up video, some time down the line, of course, where a Champion is indeed able to reenter the sport after 2 seasons break? I wonder how that would've played out.
Pretty sure Schumacher just dominates every season he comes back. Prost and Lauda still have quite a few titles. Hamilton has a lot but maybe not as many as Schumacher. Verstappen has just returned looking for #3
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David Coulthard crashing into the pitlane to hand the championship to Johnnny Herbert is the most Johnny Herbert way you can win a world championship.
Truly one of the most bizarre ways to win a championship
@@RandomGuy37 Similar to how Makinen was going to go home after he thought Sainz would easily win the title, but then a friend came on the phone saying the Toyota Corolla Sainz was driving had blown up. Makinen thought the friend was kidding him, but then some reporters started telling him as well and he realised it was true. Probably the most dramatic title deciders in motorsports. The WRC equivalent of Man City vs QPR.
@@potatogirlcultist19 one in a million of a corolla blowing up he was unlucky
And the most DC way to lose a championship
😂😂😂
I love how 2012 is STILL the greatest season even in this universe
A 5 way-title fight with HULKENBERG winning?
Absolute heaven
I wanna live in this universe!
Hulk still gets his podium curse, winning with the lowest ever podium rate for a champion
For me 2010>2012 but yeah both were absolute bangers
@@dmytrothecat8317 But still a champion . Doesn't matter whether he wins many or few podiums in a championship fight 😁.
Senna and Giles Villeneuve survived in this universe 😭😭
Vettel's memory would seriously be put to the test trying to name all these champions 😂
He would still somehow know all of them
@@mrsockyman And then he would name all the runner-ups
Crazy that Ollie Bearman was able to jump in a random car halfway through the weekend and somehow get a miraculous P2.
As both Sainz and Leclerc already won their championships, the only race that Ferrari has entered so far was the Saudi Arabia GP with Ollie
@@dudagladuosinteresting decision from Ferrari to enter their only race of the season with an academy driver halfway through a weekend
@@robertlatta2019 Crazy how good a car they built for not entering a race in several years!
What about the insanity of Alpha Tauri last year though?
- score points with Nyck de Vries
- sack him after a former world champion does some quicker laps when stepping in as a neutral driver for a Pirelli tyre test
- leave the car empty for a few races
- realise halfway through the Zandvoort weekend that Liam Lawson is available
- drop Lawson after a bunch of good races and go back to one car
@@robertlatta2019that's just everyday ferrari strategy nothing new
Me: if some fast cars are banned, surely Hulkenberg will get a podium or two
Hulkenberg: GETS THE TITLE
He still got relatively few podiums! 13:51
Red Bull just knew about this alternative timeline and thats why they kept switching their #2 driver
Other teams playing checkers while Red Bull is out here playing 4D chess
@@MrVsGaragethey be playing 16d chess
Indeed, what's impressive is they managed to end with both drivers at 277 points!
Shoutout to Phil Hill, the only person in this to actually lose his 1 championship
Wait what?
Lost it to our first posthumous champion, Rest in Power Wolfgang von Trips
@@ri0916That has to be the coolest name for an f1 driver
61 is an interesting year, in this version Hill gets more points over the season but bc of the pick the best 5 out of the 8 races, Von Trips gets the title
And we get the controversy way earlier than in reality
Honestly fairly well deserved seeing as he wasn't particularly impressive in any of the other seasons
It's absolutely insane that Massa wins the final race in Brazil and loses the championship at the same time - just in 2006 and 2007 instead of 2008!
just Felipe baby things.
Imagine if he had lost fucking 2008 again...
@@EverSnaxolotlFelipe would be like: That's it! I quit! Screw F1!
2006: A strange rookie no one ever heard about called Arnando Felonso appears.
And then Ham Lewislton 😂
Dont forget vetasian sebbel
You've got me cackling😂 i can imagine him coming to the track with a fake beard, claiming to be a new rookie every year
Alonso Fernandez 😂😂😂
Falonso Afernandez 😂😂😂
Ferdinand Alosso 😂😂😂
@@EpicUniqueWill9 alnando fernonso
I love this genre of Mr. V being our tour guide into the parallel universes of F1.
This has been the best use of Microsoft Excel in F1 since being Williams' enterprise resource planning platform.
I mean, I would argue I'm having a bit more success with it than Williams... 👀
I’m gonna need a community post at the end of the year announcing Piastri (probably) as this years champion without any context
At the summer break, the standings are currently as follows:
1. Piastri - 337
2. Stroll - 185
3. Tsunoda - 172
4. Ocon - 155
5. Magnussen - 145
6. Gasly - 135
7. Zhou - 103
8. Sargeant - 79
9. Bearman - 18
Wow Stroll might actually win it in 2025 🤯
@@musculusiv4172 Kimi Antonelli youngest F1 champion incoming
@@musculusiv4172 Guess his father will have to settle for this alternate reality championship, since the normal one isn't happening!
@@robertomariani626 I think his father is going for the real one with Alonso 👀
I love the storytelling you bring to this. It could so easily have been a simple rundown of the champions, but you bring the real life events into this parallel timeline to weave compelling narratives that would be the talk of the F1 World. That Massa stretch from 2006-2008 is especially compelling, particularly considering the real life 2008 Brazil GP. Bravo, Mr V!
F1 is all about the stories, it's what makes the sport magical. And so it was only right to look into the numbers and figure out the new stories
Nico Hulkenburg winning a title while Nick Heidfeld does not is brutal. But at least those 8 2nd places became 8 wins for him :')
Fun fact, Heidfeld and Heinz Harald Frentzen come from the same City in Germany called Mönchengladbach. And thats the city where i live.
@@bemolp7498 How this is fun? Interesting maybe for someone, but fun......?
@@mirvan23oh c'mon nobody says " interesting fact" it's always "fun fact" let them have it
@@mirvan23 fun fact being pedantc is boring
Nick needs to not win the championship in order to have Sebastian Vettel on the grid
The Verstappen jumpscare made me choke on a tangerine
How ironic if you were taken out by something orange 🍊
@@MrVsGarage2012 should be Grosjean not Hulkenberg, and 2013 should be Hulkenberg not Grosjean
Which are you LGBTQIA or +?
@@jcoxdjcould you show some context? I don’t understand how that question is relevant here
Be careful, tangerines are very dangerous when scared and cornered in your mouth!
I love the idea that Mercedes wouldn't compete for multiple years and then comeback with Russell to immediately win the championship and leave the sport again
That kinda tracks with their attitude in other motorsports series that arent F1 in real life.
They show up, then leave for an insane amount of time, come back and win in dominant fashion.
@@MoptopTofer merc has to leave now and come back in 10 years if they want any shot at winning again...
They did something very similar with Fangio.
They're going to do the same next year with Kimi Antonelli, typical Mercedes stuff ;)
finally, i couldn't live without this conclusion
tbh I was thinking about this 2 years ago
can massa win a cahmpionship ?yeaa
@@o.faruksavaf he is legit Champions of 2008 I Hope justice will be made and he can get credit as he should
@@russonauta totally agree ,I want a Ferrari champion in the year I was born also he is King of Istanbulpark (home city)
Crazy how Lance Stroll did not win a single championship in this weird but amazing universe.
I'm guessing Piastri will win the 2024 season. I'm also surprised Kubica didn't win a championship.
@@CrusardModding he did in the alternative 2008 season
@@matteo_lll_di_sveviadid you watch the video? No he didn’t
@@CrusardModdingI think stroll would win the 2025 championship assuming that drivers like Lawson, Bearman and Antonelli would be placed in backmarker teams
Edit:either way he might be considered one of the greatest to never win a championship(TBF in this world he’s gonna have a lot of wins)
@@matteo_lll_di_sveviamate watch the video 😂😂
I like how in even this alternate reality max is a record breaking god
And even in this universe Hülkenberg has a very bad podium rate
Because he's an extremely consistent driver and has been pretty much since before he was 20.
In 2017, whenever he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (strategy at Monaco and Massa terrorism at Monza), he never finished behind a slower or equal car.
In 2018, whenever he finished a race without a skill issue (Australia spin, China crash, and Monaco FP3 crash), he never finished behind a slower or equal car. [This is the only time I have to exclude skill issues - the six race stretch to start the season is almost inarguably his worst stretch of races in his career, especially when considering races he finished. Hilariously, in this alternate timeline, he wins three of the four races he finished during that stretch, only finishing behind Ocon and Gasly at Monaco.]
In 2019 and 2020, whenever he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (Vettel terrorism at Silverstone 2019, engine penalty and Perez terrorism at Monza 2019, Bottas terrorism at Mexico 2019, and an asymmetrical front wing at Turkey 2020), he never finished behind a slower or equal car.
In 2021, he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (Bottas terrorism in Hungary) behind an equal car once (Hamilton at Bahrain) and behind a slower car zero times.
In 2022, whenever he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (Perez Q3 red flag at Monaco, blocked Venturi tunnel at Silverstone, qualifying strategy blunder at Singapore, setup issues at Brazil), he won.
In 2023, he finished a race without severe mitigating circumstances (Q2 engine failure at Jeddah and setup issues at Singapore) behind another car once (Perez at Baku).
So far in 2024, whenever he's finished a race, he's won.
He doesn't want to end up becoming a one win wonder like his father...
I think the metrics used to rate the goat in this timeline would be:
1. The fewest seasons to take the championship
2. Win percentage
3. Podium percentage
I am very curious who that is
Max. At least that is what it said at the end
@@MrRono19 you read that wrong.
1. Fewest seasons would be 1. This puts Stewart, Regazzoni, Villeneuve, and Hamilton tied
2. Win percentage for rookie winners.. CR was 75%, JV was 68%, LH was 52%, and JS was 40%
Don't forget that Clay Regazzoni also won F2 the same season he won F1 and only drove in 8/15 F1 races that year. Surely he has to be the GOAT
Leclerc as the only full time Ferrari driver from 2009 to 2020 is hilarious. Ferrari fans really got one season of cooking and thats it
Just realized Jules Bianchi would finish 2nd at Monaco in 2014
Yes, Marussia would have actually had a podium
Holy fuck
That du du du du for Jos was such a quiet joke, loved it haha
The weirdest part of this timeline: 19:46 Michael Masi follows all procedures correctly!
It's actually way funnier (and way worse) than real life - the safety car mistakenly picks up the nearly lapped Lando Norris, putting Sainz nearly a whole lap ahead of Lando (as well as Esteban Ocon), and the race director fails to wave the two cars through, which would be the standard procedure. Only after fierce lobbying from McLaren team principal Zak Brown did the race director finally order the safety car to give Norris and Ocon the wave through - but with only two laps until the checkered flag, and the fast pace of the safety car, Norris and Ocon were utterly unable to catch back up to the queue, with Norris finishing 55 seconds behind Sainz, never having an opportunity to attack for the win and the championship.
@@doylerudolph7965 55 seconds, just like sainz' number
I mean it makes sense because there’s no Wheatley or Toto to be arguing with him in the first place
Drivers who survive due to getting banned:
Peter Collins: 2 years before death
Luigi Musso: 1 year before death
Harry Schell: 2 years before death (likely)
Jim Clark: 5 years before death (likely)
Jochen Rindt: 4 years before death
Ronnie Peterson: 7 years before death
Gilles Villenueve: 3 years before death
Elio de Angelis: 2 years before death
Ayrton Senna: 7 years before death
I only added the ones who died in F1 events/testing specifically but yes, there's lots 😔
It’s equally possible they still would have been killed at the same time, just driving in a different racing series.
Jim clark died in a formula 2 race. Given he was banned from formula 1 but not formula 2 there's a good chance he would have still been at that race. I am currently doing an alternate history if every season had 23 races and 2 cars per team. In that universe with so many F1 races, F1 drivers wouldn't have also competed in F2 races so Clark wouldn't have been at the hockenheim F2 race.
@@dandurrant90 You're gonna need to post this please
Yuki Tsunoda got his first F1 win today at the 2024 Miami Grand Prix! Crazy how it's a first win in both parallel universes.
Yeah, doing a google sheet of this season without world champions and the fact that the Alpine cars are in the podium.
P1: Lando Norris (banned in 2023)
P2: Max Verstappen (banned in 2018)
P3: Charles Leclerc (banned in 2019)
P4: Sergio Perez (banned in 2017)
P5: Carlos Sainz (banned in 2021)
P6: Lewis Hamilton (banned in 2007)
P7: Yuki Tsounda (WINNER)
I still can’t get around the fact that Zhou gets a podium in the Kick Sauber in Bahrain in this universe
Edit: And I just realized Logan gets fastest lap in that same race….
Ok it’s now Max Verstophim 2.0, Piastri has won every race except Miami even at Singapore
@@EpicUniqueWill9so Yuki in Miami 24 is like Carlos in Singapore 23?
the Massa winning in 2008 and losing emotionally in Brazil before jokes, the Hulkenberg podium jokes.....unbelievable
Nico Hulkenberg winning the championship made me hope for his first podium IRL
13:46 is where the men cried tears of joy
All it took was a chance to the space-time continuum and Hülkenberg finally got his podium
@@MrVsGarageyou a doctor who fan?
I can easily live in this universe. Nico, Checo, Mark Webber, DC and Daniel win the WDC, Max breaks records, Schumacher doesn't do illegal things and most importantly Phil Hill doesn't win the title. Mr V, thank you for this amazing universe, where Danny Ric, Checo and DC become Champions.
It's funny - in a universe where Phil Hill probably *wouldn't* be the worst driver to become champion, he doesn't become champion.
@@doylerudolph7965It's better to be a good driver without a title than to become a world champion while being a bad driver...
@@doylerudolph7965 Was Hill so bad IRL?
It took a while, but I found out who the GOAT of f1 is. Obviously, it's Mr. V
it's RPM actually
Yes RPM is the GOAT
If real life applies this system, I think it would be great to have a higher series, maybe Formula Legacy where only World Championship driver battle each other
but it would just become the new f1. It would be the same as only F2 champions can drive in F1.
I was thinking about it but I believe it would turn to be the new F1 Championship. Unless there was a twist like equal machinery for all drivers, less races, also the need for elimination because, remember, there would be a new retiring champion every year! In general it would be suitable as a ceremonial championship and not a really competitive one
@@panossavvaidis6086 OH THAT is great idea
Makes a point that maybe only drivers who have won F2 should be allowed to compete and they are then guaranteed a seat, by enforcing a rule that the driver who's been in F1 the longest must retire to make way.
@@samueldorrington8990 this rule would not apply to Alonso
This really shows how good Martin Brundle was in real life, and even here he still could not win a WDC. At least we had George Russell carrying the flag for King's Lynn 30 years later.
Brundle was a good driver but he spent his whole career in the shadow of greats
He was a decent #2 driver, basically the 1990s version of Perez or Bottas but with less individual success.
Worse still for Brundle, the availability of former champions like Johnny Herbert means this alternate timeline would not involve him making a name for himself as a prominent TV commentator.
Anthony Davidson would be another big loser, his career in the top class of the World Endurance Championship never getting off the ground thanks to Peugeot and Toyota picking drivers with more success in the WEC’s feeder series (Formula 1, so named because it would lead to LMP1 seats for successful drivers) than he had. He would now be hosting a sim racing podcast, not on TV covering F1.
Based on this video, it'd be interesting if F1 took the Vendee Globe model (the Vendee Globe is a 4-yearly round-the-world sailing race), where the reigning champion is forced to sit out the next edition, but can then freely compete after that. Unless they win again, in which case they are again forced to sit out a race.
Very good idea, looks like I'm busting out a new excel sheet! Don't expect any videos from me on the subject like this one though. I can't edit
4:03 the 'duh duh duh duh' when it showed Jos Verstappen is great
Also in this timeline, Massa would not have his accident in hungary 2009 and thus not get injured and lose his form.
Not just good content but also AMAZING STORYTELLING!!
The way you talk about F1 in an alternate world is so interesting.
We need a race by race rundown of that elite 2012 season, man that’s insane
gotta love that 2017 has a close title fight between current teammates Perez and Verstappen. Especially with Perez managing to pick up the title.
Agree 👍🏻 Vamos Checo 🇲🇽
Also It’s amazing to see Lando,Alex,Carlos,George and Charles Winning a title
Hope in real life,we will see a championship fight
what 2017/18 Renault engine does to a mf
Fun fact: Verstappen could’ve won the title by 1 point if fastest lap existed (I think)
As an Aussie fan, this gave Webber and Ricciardo victories, and seems likely to give Piastri one this year.
So I'd say that makes these videos all worth it.
In this reality all the drivers would still be there, but the former champions would be racing for fun without gaining any points.
I like to think of it this way. They're still on the grid and still get prize money etc. but the championship is more "ceremonial" like a Hall of Fame type thing
Or maybe: former WDC still there without points, but their car still get WCC points, so teams would still want former WDC in their car to score WCC points
@@MrVsGarage That would make sense with things that can't be accounted for - like Felipe Massa wouldn't be able to terrorize Max Verstappen at the 2017 Italian Grand Prix if he was banned, but you obviously can't simulate the race if that hadn't happened, so Massa is still on track and competing just as hard as in our timeline.
Or when Lewis Hamilton takes out Alex Albon in 2019, even though he was banned all the way back in 2007.
About time. stuck on this cliffhanger for a bit.
Lando goes & wins Miami 2 weeks after realised 😂😂
In this year's alternative universe championship Oscar Piastri looks incredibly dominant with 14 wins out of 15 races and a 150 points lead (362) over second place (Stroll 206), Seargent is the only driver who will not breach the 100-point barrier. As of now (after Zandvoort; Race 15) Piastri needs 4 more wins to completely secure his championship title.
Checking at the end of the season, I’m ignoring the sprint at Austin, but it doesn’t matter,as after the Dutch GP, Oscar wins the following 4 Grand Prix, as well as Vegas and Qatar, and only misses out on a Grand Prix podium once after the Dutch Grand Prix, in Mexico.
Just for peoples interest, Oscar Piastri would win 2024 season
Seeing kvyat winning the title in 2015 feel satisfying tbh
Honestly he was a very good driver at the time, just inconsistent and also not many people liked him which didn't help
Facts, 2015 was basically his only shot at it, and he got it
@@MrVsGarage Plus Ricciardo fell off an absolute cliff after comprehensively outperforming Vettel the year prior.
@@doylerudolph7965 ricciardos downfall from 2014 to 2015 needs to be studied
Especially knowing that Daniil Kvyat would receive a hero's welcome the second he arrives in Moscow, to be knighted by Vladimir Putin himself!
I love how you included a bit of narrative and storytelling to make things interesting. Keep up the great work!
The little verstappen tune when scrolling over Max :p
Mate that's Jos
@@MrVsGarage Ugh had that in my mid but i screwed up HAHA
And 2012 is still a banger!! Best season ever.
Congratulations to Oscar Piastri, 2024 Formula 1 World Champion!
13:30 Crazy to see that the 2012 season is great even with all previous champions banned :D
Don’t mind me. I’m just here to celebrate the Grosjean WDC!
Even removing dominance, SuperMax dominates all the records lol
Tbh he nearly won in 2016 and so wouldn't have had as many wins. But great driving is great driving and that shows up however you look at it
Someone who hasn't scored a real life podium actually wins a championship? Legendary!!
I did the math for the 2024 season in this system, and Piastri achieves unheard of levels of domination. In 22 races so far, he wins 19, with 4/5 sprints, with 20 poles (4 sprints) and 13 fastest laps to boot. He scores 569 points, out of 612 maximum points for a perfect season, 93% of the theoretical limit.
Here are some highlights
Bahrain - Piastri starts the season and everyone knows its already over. He wins from pole, and laps every other car except Lance Stroll, who finishes P2 37 seconds behind, though Logan Sargeant gets fastest lap despite finishing last
Jeddah - Ferrari fields a car for the first and only time since 2021, as rookie Oliver Bearman gets 2nd place and the fastest lap on his debut race. Piastri wins from pole
Australia - Piastri wins his home race from pole and gets fastest lap, finishing almost a minute ahead of the competition
Miami - So far, Piastri has won 5 races and 2 sprints, all from pole, and he looks set to do it again, starting from the front of the grid. However, in a shocking turn of events, he picks up damage seemingly out of nowhere and finishes 4th, handing the win to Yuki Tsunoda, despite getting fastest lap.
Imola to Singapore - After Miami, Piastri vows never to let such a thing happen again, and proceeds to win the next twelve races, with a sprint thrown in for flavour, all from pole except for Spain, which he loses to Alpine's Pierre Gasly.
Austin - Haas finds some unexpected pace in the US Grand Prix, with Kevin Magnussen starting from pole in the sprint, and to everyone's surprise, he keeps the lead, finishing 12 whole seconds ahead of Oscar Piastri. The race isnt so kind however, as Piastri wins from pole yet again while Kmag can only manage P4.
Mexico City - At Mexico, Magnussen realizes that he rather likes winning, and takes pole from Piastri yet again. The race comes down to the very last lap, but Magnussen keeps his lead, finishing 1.3 seconds ahead of the championship leader.
Brazil - In a shocking twist of fate, last week's winner receives a race ban, and has to be replaced yet again by Ollie Bearman for his 3rd F1 race. The sprint goes well for Piastri, who wins pole to flag, but the race is not as easy. A wet quali session lands Yuki Tsunoda on pole, though the race is won by Esteban Ocon. Piastri does steal fastest lap however. Bearman can only manage 6th, and for the first time in his career, finishes a grand prix off the podium and without the fastest lap.
Vegas - Pierre Gasly finds monstrous form in quali and takes pole, though an engine failure causes him to retire early into the race. Piastri cruises home to a 19th race win
Which brings us to Qatar. Piastri has won the championship long ago at this point, but the fight for P2 is still very much on. Despite having zero race wins, zero poles, and zero fastest laps, P2 is currently held by Lance Stroll, on 263 points. But there's 4 other drivers gunning for his spot, with Ocon at 260, Tsunoda at 256, Gasly at 247, and Magnussen at 246. Separated by a margin of just 17 points, all of these drivers are still very much on for the silver
Some other interesting facts
- Logan Sargeant finishes last in 8 of his 15 classified races, but does still outscore his replacement Franco Colapinto by 1 point, owing to his 2 fastest lap point to Franco's zero
- In his 9 career races, Colapinto finishes 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th two times each, with no fastest laps and 1 DNF. If he'd raced the whole season with the same performance, he'd easily be out in 2nd
- Liam Lawson scores the least at 45, finishing 1 point behind Oliver Bearman's 46
- The standings so far are Piastri, Stroll, Ocon, Tsunoda, Gasly, Magnussen, Zhou, Sargeant, Colapinto, Bearman and Lawson
I also was curious and did the math and Oscar would have had the drivers title locked up after Baku (with 7 races and 3 sprints remaining!) and single-handedly give McLaren the constructors over both Alpines after Las Vegas
Update after Qatar
- Piastri wins both the sprint and the race, with pole and FL, is up to 603 points, bumping his points percentage up to 93.34%. If he takes the win and FL at Abu Dhabi as well, he'll be at 93.60%
- The race for 2nd has changed completely. The gap between 2nd and 6th is just 8 points now, with two separate ties. Gasly jumps 3 places sitting at 272, Stroll and Yuki are tied at 268 a piece, though Yuki takes 3rd because he has a win, Kmag and Ocon are tied at 264, and both of them have 1 win, but Ocon has 1 more second place (idk how sprint wins factor into this) so he's on 5th.
- Logan and Franco are now tied on 97
- Liam overtakes Ollie and now sits at 56 points
Didn't think I'd be welling up watching an alternative history Felipe Massa redemption arc when I woke up this morning but here we are.
It definitely produced some dud seasons but you've done really well picking storylines out of this data; brilliant work.
haha who would have thought you could make people emotional just by moving some numbers round on a spreadsheet. Glad you enjoyed! :)
That 90s shirt straight outta Saved by the Bell. Respect 😅
It's a nice shirt! I wore it to an engagement party a few days after filming 😅
Loved this series man. One of the most original ideas, if not the most, in the whole F1 content niche.
for anyone wondering;
oscar is currently leading this year's championship with 235 points (7/8 gp wins) ahead of yuki, who has 126 points.
the standings as of 13/06:
1. oscar (235)
2. yuki (126)
3. lance (121)
4. esteban (112)
5. pierre (99)
6. kevin (95)
7. guanyu (86)
8. logan (47)
9. ollie (19)
watching this after the miami grand prix and can't stop smiling at 22:03 🙈
It's funny how in another timeline someone made a video called "What if the F1 CHAMPION wasn't BANNED?" 🗿
Petition for Mr V to change his about to "really likes spreadsheets"
Spreadsheets are cool
This was way more interesting than I thought it would be when I started the video. Thanks for making this
Hahaha, at 0:22, Introducing yourself as the guy who likes Exel too much is a nice touch, these types of details just further my amazement for your effort! Keep it up big guy ! your content scales mountains of quality !
It's nice to know someone notices. I actually missed that out on the first render so had to cancel 15 minutes of work to add it back in 😅
@@MrVsGarage woah, still on the bright side, it was only 15, could have been a lot more !
OHHHH I nearly cried when Felipe Massa won the 2008 in front of his home crowd……
2012 seems to be really exciting and Nico Hulkenburg winning a title is also emotional considering his no-podium career in real timeline.
And always praying for a real season where Charles wins the WDC……
i am watching this just after the 2024 Miami grand prix and boy oh boy does that Lando comment at the end feel now
That Massa storyline actually gave me goosebumps
Simply simply lovely! Thank you for the amazing videos.
This is one of the most amazing videos I’ve ever seen! Keeping the excitement up all the time! Well done 🎉😊
Lando Norris did as you asked....he waited until Miami to prove you wrong 😂😂😂😂😂
Awesome part 2. The safety discussion at the end was really strong - I also loved the storytelling from 12:05 about how well WDC winners are doing in other series, and whether the rule should be changed to allow them back in 😂 really enjoyed these.
I wanted to show that as much as people complain about dominant eras, when you take them away it makes the sport feel... wrong.
Also, I think lots of newer fans aren't really aware about the amount of on track fatalities in early F1 and the reasons why the sport needs to be so strict on safety
Oscar has now won 12 out the 13 races this year. If he wins the next 5 races, he will be mathematically uncatchable by his next competitor, Lance Stroll, and crowned world champion in Singapore. If Tsunoda or Stroll dnf the next 3 races, Oscar could be champion by Monza in round 16. Alpine are putting up a decent fight for the constructors, what with having two drivers, but still can't keep up with Piastri's consistency single-handedly carrying Mclaren in the constructors.
And yes, I keyed it all in manually, not a great 3am activity.
As of the Hungarian Grand prix, the standings are:
1 - Oscar Piastri - McLaren - 313
2 - Lance Stroll - Aston Martin - 170
3 - Yuki Tsunoda - Racing Bulls - 164
4 - Esteban Ocon - Alpine - 137
5 - Kevin Magnussen - Haas - 135
6 - Pierre Gasly - Alpine - 123
7 - Zhou Guanyu - Sauber - 103
8 - Logan Sargeant - Williams - 70
9 - Oliver Bearman - Ferrari - 18
I'm 87% sure that's correct, if the website doesn't wipe my progress I might update this as we go.
Oscar looks like he's gonna absolutely obliterate the championship in the alternate timeline
I haven’t seen your videos before, despite being a massive F1 fan, but after watching the two parts of this series one after the other I can definitely say that I enjoyed what I saw!
Concerning titles, finally, the rising number one, Juan, has won one in Formula one.
I think the better way to think of the way cars and teams disappear from the grid would be that the drivers who win can still race, but their results don’t count for the drivers. They count for the constructor’s title only or something
Good news, Lando didn't invalidate this statistic in Japan ...
Watched all of your videos over the past 7 months or so, seriously good stuff
LANDO!!!!! GET IN THERE MY SON!!!!
Because we have this crazy second mid-season break, I've gone through and done this for all the races so far this season. Oscar is winning by a landslide: he's won every race apart from Miami (which was won by Yuki), and is currently on a 12-race winning streak with 473 points.
P2 was a battle between Tsunoda and Stroll for a while, but now it looks like Tsunoda has fallen off, letting Ocon come through to challenge Stroll. In Colapinto's three races he has been on the podium every time (P3, P2, P2), and already has 51 points to the 96 Sargeant managed to rack up until Zandvoort.
The funniest bit was when Ferrari, having not competed since 2021, and who will again not be competing in 2025, entered Ollie Bearman for 1 race in Jeddah, got P2 and fastest lap, and then bounced.
Or when Sargeant didn't start in Australia, because his car was being used by...no one?
Also, with Piastri banned for next year, it looks like Toto's dreams will come true and Antonelli will be set for a rookie championship win!
i was just watching first part and came to see if second part was released and i see posted 3 mins ago
mate, I've been waiting all week for you specifically to watch the first one so I could drop part 2
Same bruh
LOL. They said Schumi had won too many titles, they say Max is winning too many titles, but they never said it about Lewis.
Finally a Webber WDC
Fun fact! If you do this in both F1 and NASCAR, Juan Pablo Montoya wins titles in both
Replaying the 2021 Abu dhabi scenes with Norris and Sainz is the best 😂😂
Props with the effort in making these vids, V. Makes for some compelling viewing - thanks a lot!
22:10 Lando Norris did make that fact wrong haha
incredible idea and videos, one of the best f1 content creator out there
Shoutout to Lando, making that reference wrong
The good work never comes easy, that's why it's so rewarding when you finish it. You did a good work mate, both videos are excellent and it even raise some awareness about other drivers that didn't had the attention at the time but can have their talents recognized. Really good job, thank you for the effort to put it online
Even in this reality BMW abandoning development of their car in 2008 fucks Kubica over
But hey we get a Hulk championship, that makes me happy
Yeah Kubica just can't catch a break 😔
The world really hates Poland...
the sheer amount of thought you put into the clothes alone dude... just found your channel, definetly going to subscribe!
LANDO WONNNNNNNNNNNNNN BABYYYYY 22:11
These videos were great. Love how much context and flavor you were able to add and the story you were able to weave from this.
I guess no matter which alternate universe you visit, Jules Bianchi always dies
The only timeline in which he lives and probably becomes champion is the one where Ferrari put him straight in one of their cars after graduating from the academy since Massa and Alonso have retired a long time before
@@claudiomichieletto9874 Eh. He still pushes through the double yellows at Suzuka.
The timeline in which he lives is the one where either drivers are held accountable for their own safety, or preemptive measures are taken to save drivers from themselves. (And we even saw at Japan in 2022 that the latter isn't entirely effective, with multiple drivers driving dangerously fast for the conditions under safety car and Gasly even doing so under red flags.)
13:06 : hey its the funny explosion man
Shoutout to Lando Norris for making this fact wrong, just two races later.
Happy for him that he got a win, annoyed with him for making my video wrong 😒
Hulkenberg having the podium issue in this time line is something
It's just because even with so many cars out of commission, he still didn't have the best car.
Lovely to see the Twitch quartet getting world titles
Could still happen IRL 👀
Great vid. Fun watch. Love the content my dude
thank you! more coming soon
Hmm... maybe a follow up video, some time down the line, of course, where a Champion is indeed able to reenter the sport after 2 seasons break? I wonder how that would've played out.
Pretty sure Schumacher just dominates every season he comes back. Prost and Lauda still have quite a few titles. Hamilton has a lot but maybe not as many as Schumacher. Verstappen has just returned looking for #3
Brawn not being a thing in this timeline is a high price to pay