Enduro Problem with My CRF300 & Rally-Raid Suspension
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- 27/01/2024 update!: • Expert Suspension Repa...
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As I stated in the intro I am not saying RR components is the problem!
But I have a problem in mine and I'm going to make a video series going through fixing the problem because it might be interesting to someone.
This is a follow up to this video: • Honda CRF300 Rally-Rai...
I wanted to share my raw experiences with the RR suspension as it is at the moment. The set has performed very well in some TET riding and basic dualsport stuff but doing this the forks are in trouble for some reason. I will follow up this video soon with a video where I will take the bike to a suspension specialist here in Finland and we will see if we can find a solution.
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Specs:
Rider:
5 ft 8.5" (174cm).
82kg (180 pounds) without gear
Here is all the products installed:
Honda CRF250/300L/Rally Level 1 Fork Cartridge-RRP 761
- Fork Spring Rate: 3.9Nm
- Fork Driver Tool
Honda CRF250/300L/Rally Level 1 Shock-RRP 759
- Spring Rate: 90Nm
- Hydraulic Preload Adjuster: HPA not fitted
Honda CRF250/300L/Rally SKF Fork Seals-RRP 769
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As I already stated in the intro I am not trying to make RR products look bad. I have a problem IN MY suspension and I'm gonna make a couple of videos of my journey trying to find and fix the problem.
There's always someone trying to misunderstand these videos even though I clearly stated that I have some work to do on my forks and I'm making videos for others that might have the same issues like I always try to do.
Another interesting video PB, I have only heard you complain about your forks in this type of terrain.
I watch with interest your journey here.
Normal riding they have worked well. Even Pavlin from motorcycle adventures liked them and he is a much heavier dude than me.
Im sure there is some porblem that I’m able to fix in the next vid!
The Rally Raid setup must be quite good, because with a stock Honda you wouldn't dare to enter this track. You have confidence and ride at a faster pace than most people would do. That's the start of your "problems". What Rally Raid suggested is to fill in a bit more oil and testride again. I'm pretty sure taht less air gap works out well. Pity that it's so cold outside that spannering is no fun at all. Do it in your heated garage and start a new testride. Same track, ideally same weather and same pace. All the best, Günter/Nürnberg
Fully agree and I’m not blaming RR. Next video we take the whole bike to a suspension specialist for a full checkup
@@PatchedBandit My experience with setup specialists (on racetrack) are extraordinary well. Not cheap, but worth every Euro. Your specialist will find the cause and cure it.
I installed the 4.2Nm L2 fork springs (the most stiff they offered), and the 95Nm L2 rear spring. I weigh 118kg, and knew the rear spring was 5-10Nm below what they recommended, but planned on losing some weight. Temps were below 0c for the first 1000km I rode the RR suspension. I found even midrange settings on preload and compression felt very harsh. I ended up running about 40% sag / 5 clicks rebound on the shock and 7 clicks preload / 5 clicks compression on the forks. I put a plastic zip tie around one fork to watch it for bottoming out and went riding through potholes, leaving settings where it took a very sharp hit to bottom out. I couldn't tell you where my settings are at right now, but with the 95Nm rear spring, I'll probably add rear preload to around 35% rider sag as I start to get faster offroad. In testing early on, 30% rider sag at full preload was only showing 1.5% static sag, and it was very harsh feeling. I know I should probably just get the 105Nm rear spring, but actually liking how the bike feels right now. I can also say fir my 30 inch inseam, the L1 would have been a better choice. It's been more difficult getting used to the bike running the L2 on my tiptoes when it gets slow. Many slow/stopped drops looking for footing. Hope my experience can help some. Great video as always! Thanks!
Look forward to the follow-up. I have the same spring rate in my level 1 and I weigh exactly the same as you. I’ve only bottomed out a few times, but I don’t ride nearly as aggressively as you. I’ve told myself several times that I probably didn’t put enough oil in the forks because they are very mushy through the first couple of inches of stroke.
Very possible that adding oil past the recommended amount is the key here but we will see later. I will take the whole bike to a suspension specialist and make a film about it.. at least that's the plan.
I've ridden the RR suspension a lot all over Europe but riding normal TET it doesn't get this kind of abuse and it's been nice. I would like it to take hits better though so I hope this 'series' of me fiding out will help others too 😊
The air gap/oil level effects the larger deflections of the fork to a much greater degree than the initial stroke you are having issues with (unless the fork is almost empty or you have air in the cartridge). The air is compressed as the fork travels up, this "adds" to the overall "spring rate". Best way to adjust the oil level is to open both dampening adjusters, put a zip tie on the bottom tube and now press hard on the fork (off the bike). You want to keep adding oil to a point where the fork no longer bottoms out and gives you 10-20 mm of "bottom out" cushion. This method can fine tune forks to a certain degree, if the spring rate is way off, obviously you need diff spring.
i used andreani and am super happy
This problem was an assembly error. Not Rally-Raid. Their forks work great. It's all in the description.
@@PatchedBandit glad you got the trusty crf sorted!
I also have the 3.9 level one kit and have the opposite problem. I feel the forks are a bit over damp. And that their small bump compliance is a bit harsh.
Your video looks like you have air in the damping cartridge. Pull the left leg spring out and see if you have resistance in the cartridge to hold itself up. If not you have air in there.
Its also worth trying an 80mm air gap in the left leg instead of the suggested 100mm gap.
How long have you had the fork kit in there? It may just be time for a suspension service and new oil.
Great video! I followed your advice and got the ABS version (from "First Impressions" video). In the future I'm considering upgrading the suspension and is quite valuable that you test it on every posible scenario. Could be Level 1 vs Level 2 traveling?, waiting for your outcome with the suspension specialist. Regards!
If you can deal with the height of the level 2 you should go for that for sure. Due to some medical stuff I have a brake from making content but I have booked the appointment. Video should be out in about 3 weeks or so..
Was considering the suspension up-grade, and Rally Raid make some high end stuff. Cheers for the up-load.
Its a good upgrade for the little Honda. Mine has some issues with the forks but I will post an update about the fix when I have the time to investigate further 😌
Hope oil Adding will do it 💪
Something like that will. But I will let the professionals check it out.
Do you notice any spring on fork tube rubbing sound cycling the forks up and down? I do on mine snd it kind of bothers me, but figure there's oil in there, and it would take a long long time to actually do damage, but it is a steel spring on aluminum tube, so ?
Haven't noticed that on mine.
Varmasti mukava jousitus normaalissa TET ajossa. Mielenkiintoista nähdä miten muuttuu öljy muutoksilla jos niitä on luvassa. Näytti että löystyi ajon aikana kun öljyt lämpesi tai sitten vaan vauhdit kasvoi.
Varmaan vähän molempia. En usko, että tämä on kaikki mitä tosta keulasta on otettavissa. Lisävideota tulossa! 😄
maybe change to some thicker oil in the forks ??
Oil levels is something I would probably tweak next. I ride in the cold finnish winter so thick oils might not work great..
In the next video I will take the honda to a suspension specialist for a check :)
Will the stiffer spring in front make front end lose traction easier in corners?
No idea. I will try taking the bike to a suspension specialist and make a video about it too (maybe)
This vid got so much hate online for reasons I dont understand that I'm reconsidering making any more videos about this journey. I guess people only want positive reviews/tests that are paid like they normally are on yt...
@@PatchedBandit the sign of success is hate. My most viewed video is the only one I have hate comments in it. Just apply some of that cold northern indifference. and soldier on :)
You are correct and there are many that like to see honest raw videos too. This is not my greatest work so I get some of it. I just hate videos that explain the shit out of the video for 5 minutes straight so everyone gets it 😄 I said whats needed in the intro.
Totally disagree, my 300L with Rally Raid Level 2 is great, none of the issues you have over similar terrian. I’m 5’11 and 180lbs.
My Rally Raid Suspension performs better than the oem suspension on my 450rl.
Disagree? On what? I wasn't giving an opinion and I stated in the video that something is off with the setup. Needs more oil, harder spring or something is actually broken. There was no opinions to disagree with 🙂
Yeah, my level 1 with 3.9 springs doesn't bottom out like that. Makes me think installation error.
I have my dampening set to wide open
@@AceCarleton agree 100%
@@PatchedBandit I disagree with how your video is making it look like there is a problem with Rally Raid Products. You personally have a problem with your forks not the product which is superior and the best fork setup available for the 300’s.
Listen to the intro one more time.
Update: ua-cam.com/video/61MEopUr3sU/v-deo.html
Question what Stage 1 or 2 ?
Level 1