SpyCast - The JFK Assassination Debate: Jefferson Morley vs. Mark Zaid (Part 2)

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  • @craigbenz4835
    @craigbenz4835 Місяць тому +7

    I wish we had footage of the speakers. Other than the interviewer, the voices of the two others are insufficiently different to distinguish who is making what point.

  • @RobertBurke-tq9zu
    @RobertBurke-tq9zu Місяць тому +10

    He is completely wrong at 25:10, it wasn't the British Prime Minister who was involved in the profumo affair.

    • @James_Bowie
      @James_Bowie Місяць тому

      Yep, John Profumo was Secretary of State for War in Harold Macmillan's Conservative government.

  • @James_Bowie
    @James_Bowie Місяць тому +2

    Never mind the books referred to in this podcast. The _MUST_ _READ_ book on the history and crimes of the CIA is "The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War" by New York Times journalist and historian, Stephen Kinzer.

  • @lisacesari89
    @lisacesari89 Місяць тому +3

    @IntlSpyMuseum Too many annoying commercial interuptions in this episode! 🚫

  • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
    @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Місяць тому +1

    Oswald never had a motive. The efforts to paint Oswald as a loser and misfit were all BS. He spoke 3 languages fluently at 23 years of age. He had a higher security clearance than his own commanding officer and he was a doting father of 2 daughters. He worked at a top-secret airbase and tracked the U-2 Spy plane. Just ask yourself, who benefited from JFK's death? That is where all roads lead. The Oil Industry, the Military Industrial complex, the CIA and Alan Dulles, Hoover, and the War effort.

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 16 днів тому

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Okay, so it’s easier to believe all of that drivel than to admit that your boy owned the rifle, snuck it into the building he worked in, the same building the shots were proven to have come from, shot JFK and Connally, left it with his fingerprints on it and three spent cartridges, fled the building, was witnessed shooting and killing a cop, tried to evade capture by ducking into a movie theater without paying, hid inside, resisted arrest, and lied repeatedly to police?
      But of course some highly detailed, well oiled, Swiss watch precise conspiracy involving the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, cops, lawyers, doctors, military, politicians, and corporate officers is the real story, right? All of them, dozens of them, willing to participate in high treason and murder for the rest of their lives and never say a word to anyone thereby blowing the plot? All willing to risk their families, their careers, and their lives?
      Jeez…

  • @epicaction1755
    @epicaction1755 23 дні тому

    Great stuff, covered a lot. Thanks.
    (Would've enjoyed it more if they would've let the host finish asking his question before they started answering. Also, if they didn't keep talking over each other. Very rude, & grating.)

  • @lennon1252
    @lennon1252 Місяць тому +2

    In the United States, a person is presumed innocent until convicted in a court of law. Oswald never got the chance to defend himself and was never found guilty in a court of law. Therfore he is presumed innocent. Irregardless of the findings of the W.C. HSCA, Gerald Posner and Vincent Bugliosi.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc Місяць тому +1

      The case against Oswald was so bad that Oswald was not even Arraigned for the murder. Dallas Police knew they could never have convicted him.

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 25 днів тому

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc He was buried in evidence.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 25 днів тому

      A theory of a bullet that transits 2 people and makes 7 wounds is not evidence, especially when the orderly who found it, rejected it before he could testify because the bullet he found was pointed and not round. A body and Limo that are hijacked at gunpoint and moved 1300 miles for a fake Autopsy that does not include the brain are not evidence. It is a cover-up. Oswald left no fingerprints on the gun and had no paraffin stains on his face after using a WWII bolt action rifle. You cannot fake a false negative paraffin stain. If it isn't there it didn't happen. Not a single witness can place Oswald on the 6th floor. Every witness in Dealey Plaza ran towards the knoll. No one ran towards the Book Depository except the Corrupt Dallas Police. An investigation that was halted as soon as the assassin was killed is not an Investigation. It is a clumsy effort to protect the LBJ Presidency. A "blue ribbon" commission that includes the enemies of JFK is not justice. It is a lie.

    • @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc
      @DavidArbuckle-sc8zc 25 днів тому

      @@jetcat132 A bullet that transits two people and makes 7 wounds and then is later rejected by the orderly who found it when he said"#399 is not the bullet I found. Mine was pointed." is not evidence. It is only obvious proof of a cover-up.

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 24 дні тому

      @@DavidArbuckle-sc8zc And as usual, you can’t produce anything on this “pointed bullet” can you….

  • @vinonavortex5582
    @vinonavortex5582 Місяць тому +1

    Best books a farewell to justice Mary’s mosaic and the man who knew too much

  • @cosmicHalArizona
    @cosmicHalArizona Місяць тому +1

    Not RFK Jr. His father Robert F Kennedy.

  • @martinkelly9763
    @martinkelly9763 Місяць тому +1

    The "magic bullet" could never have carried the velocity required to cause the injuries to both Ken and Conn.

    • @jetcat132
      @jetcat132 24 дні тому +1

      @@martinkelly9763 “The "magic bullet" could never have carried the velocity required to cause the injuries to both Ken and Conn.”
      It in fact did exactly what it was designed for and supposed to do. The fact that it was not a higher velocity round is why it behaved as it did.

  • @juancervantes4085
    @juancervantes4085 Місяць тому

    "It's like you know, but you don't know"!
    - James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano

  • @warrenlatham6848
    @warrenlatham6848 Місяць тому +3

    25,000 statements were taken by the Commission, quite thorough I would of thought!

    • @niningsetia4213
      @niningsetia4213 Місяць тому +1

      Jigong joging jongkok 😂😂😂😂

    • @niningsetia4213
      @niningsetia4213 Місяць тому +1

      Bravo jojon😂😂😂😂

    • @niningsetia4213
      @niningsetia4213 Місяць тому +1

      Begal stress for 75,000crimes
      Bodooooo

    • @johnsutton3600
      @johnsutton3600 Місяць тому +1

      "would of?" lack of education or predictive spelling? you obviously value weight over value. suggest you read HSCA report on this. here it is www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/94755_V.pdf

  • @CollectRecords732
    @CollectRecords732 Місяць тому +3

    Jeff was great, as always. This other dude was a bozo and offered nothing. Saying the statements of doctors who tried to save JFK aren’t “evidence” worth considering is something between insanity and stupidity. He’s recommending fictional books about Hoover lmao

    • @vernpascal1531
      @vernpascal1531 Місяць тому

      The evidence is ridiculously overwhelming for conspiracy. Dealey Plaza, both Medical Hospitals, the Z Film, over 50 witnesses in Dealey Plaza many of the closest by the way who either knew or believed shots came from the front.

  • @aaronz7056
    @aaronz7056 Місяць тому +5

    Oswald shot Kennedy for the same reason a modern killer shoots up a theater or a concert.
    He scored 18 out of 20 in rapid fire at targets 200 yards away and it's right there in his Marines scorebook.
    Kennedy was a slow-moving target a maximum of 88 yards away.
    Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds with several seconds between each, child's play for Oswald and his Carcano.

    • @vinonavortex5582
      @vinonavortex5582 Місяць тому

      Best books a farewell to justice Mary’s mosaic and the man who knew too much

    • @athanXanthis
      @athanXanthis Місяць тому +1

      @@aaronz7056
      "You’re assuming Oswald’s shooting that day was as simple as a routine Marine drill, but the conditions were far more complex. Hitting a moving target, especially under the pressure of killing the president, is not the same as shooting stationary targets during training. Even if he did score well in the Marines, there are multiple reports suggesting Oswald wasn’t considered an exceptional marksman later in life. Plus, the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle he used was notorious for its poor accuracy and awkward bolt-action, making it harder to fire and aim quickly.
      As for the Zapruder film, reactions are difficult to interpret. Some experts argue that Kennedy’s movements after the fatal shot are more consistent with being hit from the front, not from Oswald’s position behind him. The timing of the shots you mention-8-9 seconds-might sound doable, but the precision required, under immense pressure, makes it unlikely for someone like Oswald to have pulled it off alone.
      The argument that Oswald shot Kennedy for the same reasons as modern killers is speculative. We don’t know Oswald’s true motives, and comparing him to a modern mass shooter doesn’t explain the inconsistencies in the evidence, like witness reports of shots from different directions or the 'magic bullet' theory."

    • @johnsutton3600
      @johnsutton3600 Місяць тому

      @@athanXanthis not to mention the FBI could not get anybody to replicate it. Close but no cigar

    • @athanXanthis
      @athanXanthis Місяць тому

      @@johnsutton3600
      Good point about the FBI’s replication struggles. It highlights how challenging it was to recreate those conditions. If they couldn’t do it, it raises questions about Oswald’s ability to pull off those shots perfectly in a chaotic situation.
      The pressure, the rifle’s instability, and the need for accuracy complicate the idea that he acted alone as a skilled marksman. Overall, this suggests there’s more to the story than we’re told."

    • @aaronz7056
      @aaronz7056 Місяць тому

      @@athanXanthis I'm "assuming" nothing, I'm using hard, credible and demonstrable evidence, which you have ignored:
      a) All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
      b) Shooting was EASILY replicated, despite your lies. This is what happens when people get their information from Jesse "The Body" Ventura.
      c) Kennedy was a slow-moving target a maximum of 88 yards away, demonstrably travelling on a downhill grade that would have made him a nearly stationary target from the POV of the sixth floor window, victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds, you can see this with your own eyes, that's child's play.
      Do you SERIOUSLY believe investigators didn't take all this into account???
      You can see, to name just two examples, Josiah Thompson in Who Killed President Kennedy and John K. Lattimer in Beyond Conspiracy, operating a bolt-action Carcano and firing it three times within that time frame with ease.
      d) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet and ergo, from behind.
      e) Within 1-2 frames of Kennedy being hit, Connally's lapel pops out, his hat flips up, his shoulder is driven down, and his expression violently contorts between frames from the blow and his lung being collapsed, all demonstrating one bullet, and ergo, from behind.
      f) Connally was demonstrably seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right, the victims' wounds all demonstrably lining up on a trajectory and tracking straight back to the sixth floor window, as has been successfully replicated by more than one mathematically precise computer recreation by investigators over the years.
      g) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them.
      h) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the 3 shots all came from directly overhead.
      i) Those witnesses had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there.
      j) Connally's firmly said the shots came from behind and over their right shoulders.
      k) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
      l) Parkland doctors examined the autopsy photos on NOVA in 1988 and had no particular problem with them.
      m) Kennedy, in Zapruder's film, is very clearly seen to suffer a massive exit wound exploding outward and forward at the temple and absolutely nothing happening at the back of the head, both consistent only with a shot from behind.
      n) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side, perfectly consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate is what happened.
      o) That bullet was also matched to Oswald's rifle.
      p) Never mind that it's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would successfully frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions using different guns and bullets.

  • @billtracy8774
    @billtracy8774 Місяць тому +2

    I like the way Occams Razor explains everything. Invoke Occams Razor and you cannot lose any argument, even if you use it wrong.

    • @diener1
      @diener1 Місяць тому

      Conclusion using Occams Razor depends on what facts are known. You could arrive at opposite conclusions when you're given different subsets of all facts.

  • @jeffstewart1668
    @jeffstewart1668 Місяць тому

    It always Russia.justsaying

  • @aaronz7056
    @aaronz7056 Місяць тому +3

    Ballistic and medical evidence:
    a) All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle.
    b) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and from behind.
    c) Within 1-2 frames of Kennedy being hit, Connally's lapel pops out, his hat flips up, his shoulder is driven down, and his expression violently contorts between frames from the blow and his lung being collapsed, all demonstrating one bullet, and from behind.
    d) Connally was demonstrably seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right, the victims' wounds demonstrably lining up on a trajectory and tracking straight back to the sixth floor window.
    e) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them.
    f) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side, consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate.
    g) That bullet was also matched to Oswald's rifle.
    h) Kennedy is very, very clearly seen in Zapruder's film to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the temple and absolutely nothing happening at the back of the head, both consistent only with a shot from behind.
    i) Autopsy clearly demonstrates the shots came from behind.
    j) Parkland doctors examined the autopsy photos on NOVA in 1988 and had no particular problem with them.
    k) Connally's said the shots came from behind.
    l) Witnesses a few feet directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
    m) Those witnesses demonstrably had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there.
    n) Zapruder's secretary was only yards away from the fence and heard and saw nobody there.
    o) It's vastly, vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns and bullets.

    • @billtracy8774
      @billtracy8774 Місяць тому

      biased

    • @aaronz7056
      @aaronz7056 Місяць тому +1

      @@billtracy8774 Yes, I'm biased towards a virtual mountain of hard, credible and demonstrable evidence, sue me.

    • @aaronz7056
      @aaronz7056 Місяць тому +1

      Yes, I'm "biased" towards a veritable mountain of hard credible and demonstrable evidence you didn't make the slightest attempt to address or disprove, sue me.

    • @lisacesari89
      @lisacesari89 Місяць тому +1

      @@aaronz7056 😁

    • @garethwaugh1
      @garethwaugh1 Місяць тому

      Zapruders secretary was holding on to him on the wall as he was scared of losing his balance.
      Nobody in their right mind (and Oswald was intelligent) would choose a ww2 Italian rifle that had a terrible reputation.
      Oswald was created by the intelligence community as a fake defector, welcomed on his return to US by George De Moerenschilt and was a CIA agent handled by De Moerenschilt, Ruth Paine and the mysterious Maurice Bishop (David Atlee Philips).
      Forget LHO, he was the patsy.
      Who really benefitted?
      LBJ to save him from prosecution re Bobby Baker and he gets the top job
      Texan Oil barons annoyed over losing their tax breaks
      J Edgar Hoover who became FBI director for life under LBJ
      Military industrial interests who wanted their war in Vietnam
      Rogue elements of military and the CIA bitter over Bay of Pigs / Cuba
      Mafia bosses fed up with RFK......
      Put these people together and you have a team who can change the politics of the US, plan and commit the crime, botch the autopsy, perpetuate the cover up and control the media, prevent Dallas police from conducting their enquiry and launch an official commission tasked with finding LHO as the lone assassin........oh and Killing off anyone who was inconvenient to them official story.

  • @jp-lu5yp
    @jp-lu5yp Місяць тому

    Money trail for 100k leads to Nov 2 plot, Mayor Daley, Chicago, and Kennedy secretary Kenneth ODonnell.

  • @Anti-LanguageDevil
    @Anti-LanguageDevil Місяць тому

    RECONCILIATION
    -------------
    1. Reuben Efron (CIA operative reading Oswald's mail)
    2. Irving Effron (His brother, who spelled his name differently)
    3. Barry Effron (Reubens nephew and son of Irving)
    4. Lorri Effron (Barry's wife)
    --//--
    He Used to Have Meetings, She Said...
    ----------------------------
    "Lorri, Barry’s wife, chimed in during his interview, saying she recalled that Reuben Efron’s Jerusalem apartment was near those of government officials (he lived a five-minute walk away from the prime minister’s residence). “He used to have meetings,” she said. (Barry Effron did not recall that detail.)" - Ron Kampeas (Times of Israel)

  • @FatherSon2023-TGA
    @FatherSon2023-TGA Місяць тому

    So one level of proof that Oswald did it(there isn’t enough to convict him, the layers should know that) and the other side needs to prove beyond a doubt. Typical double standard of the lone nut community

    • @aaronz7056
      @aaronz7056 Місяць тому

      There is a mountain of hard, credible, demonstrable and documented evidence for Oswald's guilt.

  • @mattgilbert7347
    @mattgilbert7347 Місяць тому +9

    Oswald did it, and he acted alone.

    • @niningsetia4213
      @niningsetia4213 Місяць тому +1

      Of COURSE
      ALONE insane makes sense for sane person to rivals me with my spouse only and lock the door
      Vietnam anlak
      Stay safe
      Akhlak for money
      Unlocked guys

    • @sandraknight4751
      @sandraknight4751 Місяць тому +9

      I disagree.

    • @aaronz7056
      @aaronz7056 Місяць тому +2

      @@sandraknight4751 In that case we look forward to you now presenting your ironclad evidence for an accomplice.

    • @sandraknight4751
      @sandraknight4751 Місяць тому +7

      @@aaronz7056 Let's start with the fact that JFK was hit from the front!

    • @aaronz7056
      @aaronz7056 Місяць тому +1

      @@sandraknight4751 Okay, let's start there:
      a) All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle, demonstrating they all came from behind.
      b) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
      c) Those witnesses had a demonstrably clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there.
      d) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind.
      e) Within 1-2 frames of Kennedy being hit, Connally's lapel pops out, his shoulder is driven down, his hat flips up, and his expression violently contorts between frames from the blow and from his lung being collapsed, all demonstrating they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind.
      f) Connally was demonstrably seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right, the victims' wounds demonstrably lining up on a trajectory and tracking straight back to the sixth floor window.
      g) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, ergo, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them, and from behind.
      h) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
      i) That condition is consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, as it would have done, and then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate, all demonstrating the shot came from behind.
      j) That bullet was also matched to Oswald's rifle, demonstrating it came from behind.
      k) Connally's said the shots came from behind.
      l) Kennedy is plainly seen in Zapruder's film to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple and nothing happening at the back of the head, both consistent only with a shot from behind.
      m) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind.
      n) Parkland doctors examined the autopsy photos on NOVA in 1988 and had no particular problem with them, demonstrating the shots came from behind.
      o) Zapruder's secretary was only yards away from the knoll fence and saw and heard nobody there.
      p) Virtually NO witnesses said they thought shots came from both the knoll AND the Depository, it was either one or the other... and shots definitely came from the Depository.
      q) It's vastly, vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns and bullets.
      But, have it your way: JFK was hit from the front...

  • @vinonavortex5582
    @vinonavortex5582 Місяць тому +1

    James angleton William Harvey David Attlee phillips

  • @vinonavortex5582
    @vinonavortex5582 Місяць тому

    Book is by Joan mellen

  • @lisacesari89
    @lisacesari89 Місяць тому +3

    @14:20 I like the movie, "Parkland", to look at what the doctors saw, Jefferson Morley. 💋
    Parkland (originally titled Four Days in November) is the exciting and definitive narrative of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. The film-starring Paul Giamatti, Zac Efron, Jacki Weaver, and Billy Bob Thornton-follows a group of individuals making split-second decisions after this incomprehensible event: the doctors and nurses at Parkland Hospital, the chief of the Dallas Secret Service, the cameraman who captured what has become the most examined film in history, the FBI agents who had gunman Lee Harvey Oswald within their grasp, and Vice President Lyndon Johnson who had to take control of the country at a moment’s notice. Based on Vincent Bugliosi’s Reclaiming History-Parkland is the story of that day...

    • @lisacesari89
      @lisacesari89 Місяць тому +1

      Vincent T. Bugliosi Jr. (/ˌbuːliˈoʊsi/; August 18, 1934 - June 6, 2015) was an American prosecutor and author who served as Deputy District Attorney for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office between 1964 and 1972. He became best known for successfully prosecuting Charles Manson and other defendants accused of the Tate-LaBianca murders that took place between August 9 and August 10, 1969.

    • @LBNLDC1
      @LBNLDC1 Місяць тому

      The producer Tom Hanks had his son play the lead surgeon in Trauma Room One. Only two hours after JFK was declared dead Dr Malcolm Perry appeared at a press conference at which he identified two wounds: a small entry in the front of Kennedy’s neck and a large wound in the back of his skull. These statements were videotaped. Hanks opted to leave this important evidence out of his propaganda film.

    • @lisacesari89
      @lisacesari89 Місяць тому

      @@LBNLDC1 Just NOPE! I don't' reply to those who don't bother to do accurate, updated JFK Assassination and Autopsy research. Sorry. 🚫

    • @lisacesari89
      @lisacesari89 Місяць тому

      @@LBNLDC1 Maybe you can go watch the video of Colin Powell speaking at the United Nations about Saddam Hussein having Weapons of Mass Destruction aka Nuclear Weapons in Iran. As the reason to go to war there. 💋

    • @LBNLDC1
      @LBNLDC1 Місяць тому

      @@lisacesari89 What was inaccurate about my reply?