@@Nemy360 To you maybe, but for some of us, it's better to point out the difference between two things that appears to have the same purpose. Not everything that looks the same necessarily functions the same way.
Titanic is not a cruise ship. She was an ocean liner. Her purpose was to take people from point A to point B as fast as possible, no matter the weather.
@@user-co3qr1wr8f her purpose was not no matter the weather, ocean liners diverged from their paths a lot especially later into their history because companies realised sinking and crashing wasn’t good for business
Titanic was an ocean liner. A cruise ship is like a limo. The destination is not the main attraction. It’s about all the fun activities you can do onboard. An ocean liner is more like a bus. It runs between two locations on a very strict schedule; as a result of this, liners have to be able to push through the toughest weather conditions, not divert to a port like a cruise ship does.
Not to mention that Titanic was an ocean liner, crossing the rough, dangerous, iceberg-laden seas of the North Atlantic whereas this new ship is a cruise ship which will spend 98% of its time in calm, shallow waters and warm weather.
Not true, sir if you do really know about this, this cruises , not just this one all mayor cruises do go across the Atlantic to do western cruises, and also the technology in this modern day cruises to navigate seas is nothing comparable to the titanic , titanic had to relay on men on the top of the ship, pictured that.
@@eduardofindlay4518titanic did not have to “ rely “ on the men in the crows nest, they were just there as another precautionary measure. I understand how much has advanced in 111 years, but do not be fooled, titanic was the most technologically advanced ship in the world at the time of its maiden voyage. If conditions had been a little different that night, the ship never would’ve sunk.
Except ships in 1912 then didn’t have the use of rader technology until it was invented in 1935 back then the guy in the crows nest of the titanic didn’t see the iceberg in time was because the pair of binoculars were locked up by a crewman who was fired and took the only pairs of keys with him before the ships maiden voyage
@@alfredonegrette6775 You’re technically right but Titanic was equipped with state of the art systems for her time, like that underwater listening device to listen for obstacles close to the shore in fog. I also want to impress upon you the rarity of the night that Titanic sank on. You’re correct that they didn’t have binoculars because they were locked away. But… It was a moonless night, meaning it was incredibly dark as there wasn’t even any moon light to reflect off the berg. This is not dark like it was in the movie, this was dead of night dark. Go into a room with no windows and turn off all the lights and close the door. That is how dark it was. The only light was the light of the stars above which don’t really generate enough light to see by. It was a waveless night, meaning there was no water sloshing around at the base to be noticed. There was, if I recall correctly, nearly double the amount of ice in the North Atlantic as was typical for that time of year and the ice had been carried much further south than it usually was. They also theorize that were was a optical illusion going on because of the water temperature and the air temperature which artificially raised the horizon. All in all with Titanic it was a perfect storm of coincidences, mistakes, and errors in judgement.
Titanic isnt a cruise ship, it's an ocean liner. And 112 years ago, the Titanic was absolutely stunning especially without computer technology. Just brilliant men who had exceptional engineering skills.
I mean, Estonia had enough life boats but that really doesn't matter if the ship capsizes in the span of an hour in the middle of the night on the open sea.
R.M.S Titanic had enough lifeboats at the time she sank, It waa people refusing to get into the boats for whatever reasoning. Btw back then it was thought that there would always be a ship nearby so you could ferry lifeboats from the damaged ship to the rescue ship.
@@matteufoI don't understand how you think that disqualified it from being labeled as luxury. After all, the crew's quarters in even the most luxurious ships are far from luxury - does that disqualify them from being considered luxury also? 🤦
Costa Concordia: I'm sinkable RMS Lusitania: me to HMHS Britannic: me three RMS Carpathia: at least I helped Titanic's passengers before I sunk SS Californian: I didn't help titanic because she's annoying. RMS Titanic: well I'm glad you sunk that's what you get! RMS express of Ireland: just stop Titanic for me it's RMS storstads fault Because he sunk me.
@@reupsvideosThat’s literally common knowledge that almost every school should have taught everyone about the Titanic, The moment I saw this clip I was utterly shaking my head the entire time
@@coffeelink943 my school did but I literally went home and raged coz they got everything wrong I love learning about it but they didn’t do research and just blamed ismay for everything I hate that school I dropped out coz it was so bad 1 week before graduation
Here is a big difference, Titanic was a Ocean Liner, it’s purpose was not to go to tourist destinations and take guests on vacation, it was like a airplane, to get passengers from one point to another. The Icon, is a cruise ship, these are what do vacations and such, and they don’t act as transport vessels. Big difference.
@@ryans413Yes because everyone wanted to travel on the Olympic, Witch was the ship that was most famous before the titanic sank, The titanic had a massive under booking for the voyage so they had to transfer passengers from other ships.
@@Historicaleducation-pm1li Thank you for writing that. Today, everyone believes Titanic was THE most famous ship of its era, but that honor actually went to Olympic. Titanic was just the second of the Olympic-class of shipsm and was nothing the public hadn't already seen on the Olympic.
I thought it was crazy when I first heard it, but Titanic actually did kinda have enough boats. According to BBoT regulations at the time, every vessel over 10,000 tons needed capacity equal to 16 lifeboats. Titanic had the required number as well as 2 collapsibles and two emergency cutters, which put her total capacity *above* regulation. Ships were advancing just too fast for the laws to keep up.
Remember The icon is a cruise ship! (Made to satisfy guest to a luxurious extent) while the RMS Titanic (Royal mail ship) is used to transfer mail while the main purpose of it was to be an ocean liner( a ship made to transfer passenger to a long area) and it is not made to be a cruise some people say that because they only know the attractions of 1st class passenger not the 2nd and 3rd
@@tigerblox6655 because it’s not get it right. Titanic was a fancy ocean liner that transported people from point A to point B. Cruise ships just sail around islands and everyone comes back to where they boarded.
@@tigerblox6655 but ocean liners transport more then just people like Titanic it transported lots of mail and cargo other then just the passengers belongings. It was a hotel on water. A cruise ship is just strictly for entertainment no one goes on a cruise ship to go places they get on to enjoy some entertainment and everyone comes right back where they started. Ocean liners drop you off it’s a one way trip.
@@tigerblox6655 ocean liners are/were built for transportation and to not stop in a storm, cruise ships are meant for leisure and if a storm pops up they have to stop in a nearby port. Calling a liner a “cruise” is like calling a plane a Zeppelin
@@MXLLOLLcruise ships tend to be in calm waters most of the time, while ocean liners go to the destination in the shortest amount of time possible, like a bus.
Back in 1912 the regulations were you didn’t have to have more than 16 life boats. The Titanic actually carried 22 boats 2 wooden cutters, 14 standard wooden lifeboats and 4 collapsible canvas lifeboats. This was more than what was regulated at the time. Lifeboats wasn’t meant to be in the water for hours. Lifeboats at the time was supposed to act as a ferrying service from one ship to another. the law at that time based the number of lifeboats required on the gross register tonnage of a ship, not her passenger capacity. So at the time of The Titanic’s completion she was classified as the safest ship ever built up until that point.
@@Boileryard It was complying with safety regulations at the time. The sinking knocked sense into those making the regulations and got them to increase.
Titanic was an ocean liner, not a cruise ship. The easiest way to understand the difference is: Titanic was like a bus, it was meant only to transport passengers from continent to continent; while Icon of the Seas or any other cruise ship is like a limousine, it is meant to also transport passengers but not necessarily from continent to continent, and the biggest part of the reason for you to book a ticket is the ship itself, not only the destination
@@Gabriel_Strelow The learning curve on his channel is super steep, he is a gem really. The minute this channel called TITANIC a cruise ship, i was going to pull an OceanlinerDesigns card, but i found that you already had the honor 😎
@@notcharlie7107 It is. A Cruise Ship is a place were you go on vacation to have fun. An Ocean Liner is a ship with the purpose of getting passengers from one place to another. Like instead of taking an airplane from the UK to the US you can take a ship.
@@notcharlie7107yeah kinda, a cruise ship is a vacation and a place to enjoy yourself, the top priority of the cruise is to comfort and fun, an ocean liners top priority was getting its passengers from point a to point B as fast as it could which often meant travelling through bad weather and dangerous waters which is why they were so much more dangerous and sunk much more frequently
@@h1gh_end134 its easy to mistake the two ships because they are externally identical to each other, but you can tell the difference between them by looking at the window layout just beneath the lifeboats. On Titanic, towards the back half, the windows are open and the front half are smaller windows. On Olympic, these smaller windows were completely opened. The clips shown in the video are of Olympic in New York in the 1920s, almost a decade after Titanic sank
@@hezigege2.045 ocean liners are like a bus. They were the only way to get to America on the Atlantic until the 50's cruise ships are built for pleasure kind of like a limo. They take people on pleasure cruises and there is no fixed destination
One major difference. Titanic was a transatlantic liner. Icon is a cruise ship. Also no other ship in history will ever recreated the beauty, class and luxury of the Titanic.
The fact of the matter is how many life boats these ships have now, which makes it a winner since they have enough to actually accommodate everyone on board
@@SkirbiyYou need to consider all three dimensions. The gross tonnage of the Icon class is some 5x that of the T. The T's GT was some 46,000 which was significant for it's day but is on the rather small side for today.
@@frederickwilt5541 True, but the titanic did look much better, the icon of the seas is literally an eyesore from the outside, but is very nice from the inside.
Well, titanic and Olympic at least, another ship that was built to be larger than the Olympic class ships set sail I believe a couple of months after titanic’s sinking, long before Britannic set sail in WWI.
titanic didn't have enough boats for everyone yes but it's because back then life boats would usually be used as ferries to ferry passengers away from a sinking vessel to a nearby vessel sense the most common place ship would sink were at ports and harbors
This is mostly true but 1. Titanic is an ocean liner not a cruise ship 2. The rate at which a cruise ship can sink isn’t always going to be slow enough for everyone to evacuate (for example the costa Concordia) 3. While yes the amount of lifeboats is definitely an improvement, if a ship lists to much to one side during its sinking half of them would be deemed unusable
Fun fact people tried to sue white star line over dead family members because of the claims that the ship was “unsinkable” however t white star line never really said this it was newspapers that said it and it was the newspaper company’s that got sued in the end over the unsinkable thing
Exactly! It was Hearst who started that whole debacle. They said she was NEARLY unsinkable, as in it took a lot to sink her. And seeing how it took her nearly three hours to sink with a literal gaping hole in her side and bottom Harland and Wolff were absolutely right
The second and third class on the Titanic didn't had access to the area of the first class. They can't use the pool, gym or dining room of wealthy people, they had another area for them. There were gates that don't allow those people to go to the beautiful and luxurious part of the ship. Their rooms looked like a jail with bunk beds. The gates were always closed for them. At modern cruises and ships, all the people can access all areas. Millionaires and working middle class people are mixed into the crowd of people and you can't tell who is who, because all passengers can share together the same attractions at the same time. The rooms don't had bathrooms. They have to share showers and toilets with other passengers. There were very few showers and toilets for too many people. Modern ships has bathrooms in every room. Imagine if you ate too much and need to go running for a toilet! 😂
@@blakel1Considering that the Titanic had a high range Marconi set, complex engine and electrical systems, watertight doors, efficient lifeboat davits, a double hull, many cranes on the deck to assist with loading cargo, microphones in the hull to listen for sounds which effectively acted as sonar, and several telemotors which activated hydraulics to move the ships rudder, I woukd argue that were was quite a lot of technology back in 1912
Firstly, Titanic is not a cruise ship it’s a luxury ocean liner. Secondly, Icon of the Seas has a lot more advanced nautical technology which ensures no crashes and sinking would happen, it’s more computer controlled and electronic these days whilst with Titanic this modern technology didn’t exist, they never had satellite controlled digital maps with real time tracking. Both these vessels are completely different, methods and thinking has changed since the last few centuries. And it is very possible to make sure a ship never sinks, and yes if you can make it buoyant and hydrodynamic enough, yes it can be unsinkable, Shipbuilding and nautical sciences and physics is my thing so I can confirm all this.
Just a reminder that a cruise ship (not this one) got in a scuffle with a military patrol boat and won despite being unarmed because the patrol boat tried ramming it to get it to follow it back to a port, only to suffer critical damage to itself and only cause minor damage to the cruise ship.
Titanic didn’t have enough lifeboats because they weren’t thought of in the same way as they are now, lifeboats were used back then to transport passengers from the sinking ship to the rescue ship that had come to assist. Although they obviously didnt think about the unlikely occurrence when there was no ship close enough to save them
@@thomasmaloney843yeah, tho crew of Californian wasn't aware that titanic was sinking due to the cold water mirage. All the captain later reported he saw was a ship that "acted weird"
@@thomasmaloney843 they knew that titanic was sending off emergency flares, tho Titanic's crew launched them every 5 minutes, while launching a flare every minute was the distress signal
@@user-yv8yi2bj8e the titanic is much stronger than almost any modern ship including those giant bathub with apartment buildings on them looking cruise ships and thats bc ocean liners are built for the roughest weather that the atlantic can posess and to withstand accidents while the titanic could stay afloat with 4 watertight compartments flooded (most cruise ships can stay afloat with 2) the hole was 300 feet long which resulted in 5 or six compartments flooding which made it sink a cruise ship however would capsize bc those ballast tanks are only too reduce rolling and wouldnt do shit if it started flooding which would result in it capsizing and a cruise ship dosent have enough ballast to stay upright in that situation if u wonder why titanic didint capsize
@@tyler93539 it didnt sink the titanic because the rivets popped out it literally broke the steel along side the ship and the the cracks were relatively small thats why it sank in 2 hours and any new cruise liner would suffer the same fate as the titanic since ocean liners have thicker hulls as to withstand the atlantic ocean they were literally meant to ride through storms while cruise ships avoid it
@jokivaltsunen1492 so you’re saying human error was involved? Kinda like how it was the captain’s fault on the Titanic over 100 years ago? As far as I’m aware humans are still at the helm sailing these ships so as long as that is the case then they will always be susceptible to human error, no matter how small the chances.
To be fair to the Titanic, anything weighing over 10,000 GRT needed to have 16 lifeboats. Titanic prided itself on being better than competitors and so had 20. When the Titanic sank, two lifeboats still had not been launched. So I’ve never gotten the “Titanic didn’t have enough lifeboats” argument because it wouldn’t have helped in this case. The Titanic could have had the required 63 (Someone fact check me the number, I’m too lazy to look it up!) lifeboats and it wouldn’t have mattered due to not having enough time. We also need to look at the methodology around what the lifeboats purpose was in 1912. Was the lifeboat suppose to hold passengers for a week until they were pushed to shore or a boat found them? No! In short, lifeboats were suppose to ferry passengers, mail, and supplies from the sinking ship to the new ship. This is because the Marconi Wireless was being installed on many ships. This new device allowing ships to communicate to each other; plus the better standards and inventions to help prevent ships sinking fast meant that it was believed another ship could reach a damaged ship in time. We have to remember that in 1912, people traveling from continent to continent had to do so by boat. They mostly followed the same general path. The Carpathia, Californian and Olympic were all within wireless, along with 3 or 4 more who I can’t remember the names of right now. So, if my ship is sinking, the idea is that another passenger liner will swing along side me, they use all their lifeboats, I use all my lifeboats. And together, we have enough to get everyone transferred safely. Of course, as we see with Titanic; this was not a great methodology. This is due to many factors including but not limited to: 1.) The Carpathia having to slow to a crawl to avoid the minefield that was icebergs in the surrounding area. 2.) The Californian only having one Marconi operator, who went to bed shortly before the sinking. 3.) The passengers feeling safer on Titanic than in lifeboats. We should note why passengers felt safer on a big ship rather than a small lifeboat. Another White Star Ship is a good example. The SS Atlantic sank in the late 1800’s. The ship attempted to launch nine or ten lifeboats but all of them smashed against rocks killing everyone on them. While everyone who stayed on the ship was eventually rescued with far less casualties. During the mid 1800’s the SS Artic launched six lifeboats and several makeshift rafts during its sinking, plus a lifeboat from the other ship it had collided with. Only three lifeboats made it. While the ship that collided with the SS Artic was able to make it back to port because of the watertight compartments. There are a bunch of other stories but these are the two that come to mind, that show within 50 years of the Titanic’s sinking that lifeboats were a worse decision than simply staying on the ship. This no doubt had to be going through the passengers minds when they weighed getting into a lifeboat or staying on the ship. Also, this was not a factor on the Titanic as she sank bow to stern, but remember the Empress of Ireland? She was hit on her starboard side. Meaning that if we want to say “every ship needs enough lifeboats.” Then you need to believe that the ship needs enough lifeboats for every passenger on each side of the ship. The Empress of Ireland attempted to launch a lifeboat on the port side of the ship, and that lifeboat flipped while being lowered due to the lifeboat catching the hull, killing everyone aboard. This means that Empress of Ireland theoretically needed enough lifeboats for everyone on starboard to launch safely. The Titanic is a huge tragedy that we should study and learn from. But I truly believe that the lifeboats were a non factor in this instance. Let’s talk about changing routes when icebergs are in the area. Lets consider having an agency funded to monitor iceberg movement. Let’s talk about having enough crew to man the Marconi Wireless 24/7 for every ship. Let’s talk about slowing down when we are in iceberg territory. Am I arguing that the Titanic shouldn’t have had more lifeboats? No, I think every ship should be required to have enough lifeboats for every soul on board, but we can just look to the two lifeboats that never got launched to know it wouldn’t have helped in this scenario. Other factors were at play. Also. I know others have said it, but I want to say it too. Titanic was an Ocean Liner, not a Cruise ship ;) Edit: Edited to change 1812 to 1912 to reflect correct year the Titanic sank. I’ve been doing research into an ancestor who fought in the war of 1812, and had that on the brain. :P
Yes this is true and some good points. Just to follow up too yours to say that the last two collapsible lifeboats did get launched but they weren't easily accessible making it hard for them to be launch quickly, that's how one got turned upside down. They actually did form the International Ice Patrol and radios are now required to be monitored around the clock as a direct result from the Titanic. I find all the little and big issues and circumstances surrounding the Titanic and how and why it sank and so many people died to be fascinating as there are so many if-that-didn't-happen scenarios they could've actually ended up with everyone being saved.
@@warrenash5370both. They didn't wait for full life boats at first. Some of them were almost empty. They started dropping boats almost immediately. The final collapsible boat was being launched as the waterline reached the boat deck. They didn't even have to drop it. An additional 43 boats (which is what would have been required for everyone on board that night), never would have even had a chance to launch.
There were passengers on the Titanic who insisted the ship wouldn't sink for at least another two days, so they weren't getting on a lifeboat until a rescue ship arrived.🤦♀️
Actually, at 46 seconds, that video is of the Titanic's sister ship, the Olympic. And Titanic was an Ocean Liner. Can't really compare the two if you can't even get the right ship
The Titanic had fewer lifeboats because, the theory was, that the ship itself would be a lifeboat. The watertight compartments were designed to prevent the ship from sinking in the most common accidents (collisions with other ships, groundings, head on collisions, short side swipes) so even if it wasn't able to move, it could still keep people out of the water. It only sank because of poor decision making from the captain (sailing at max speed into an ice field like a moron) and incredibly bad luck that the damage it received was exactly the type of damage that counteracted the safety design of the ship. It's similar to how every plane doesn't have parachutes as the plane is designed to be safe enough to not need them. Still doesn't prevent some deaths but they tend to only happen when safety protocols arent followed. Oh and if you look at many maritime disasters, you'll see that tons of people died despite adequate numbers of lifeboats or even as a direct result of being on a lifeboat (capsizing when launching was pretty common, especially in rough weather). They're a nice to have but cruise ships nowadays have shown that modern navigation equipment and safety features are more than enough to keep people safe. Only 32 of over 4000 people died on the Costa Concordia. Still a tragedy that shouldn't have happened but if it occurred 100 years ago that death toll would be significantly higher, irregardless of lifeboats.
the captain rammed the side up on some rocks ripping a massive hole in the ship then he took over an hour to admit anything was wrong the he started the evacuation and was the first one in a lifeboat
@@IvorEyessthe Concordia is related to a lot and of carnival cruise ships. Most of those are up to date with constant refreshes Also fun fact the Concordia has its own class of ships and a little subclass. It’s class is also related to the sunshine (destiny) class and the conquest class
It's unlikely your cruise ship even has enough lifeboats anyway. I forgot the exact value, but i remember they only, by law, need to have enough for about 3/4 of the crew and passenger compliment. The rest have to survive in inflatables, or lifeboats that take more than being lowered to the water to be set up.
Hey, a passenger from icons maiden voyage here! Just so you know, the ship is completely safe and it is way different from the titanic. There was no incidents that might have made it even close to sinking when we were there.
If you nerd out over the history of the titanic, it wouldn’t have made a difference had the titanic had enough life boats for everyone. It took too long to lower them. They never got all the lifeboats they did have into the water before it sank due to this
@@flake1445 and they still didn’t come close to getting them in the water, literally test have been done showing the average time to get one into the water at the most efficient rate possible, it still wasn’t enough time till the ship sank, so realistically, it could have had enough life boats and it still wouldn’t have mattered. Talking 1912, it was a Manual process to get the lifeboats in the water that took about 30 min at the most Efficient rate, they physically could never have gotten all the lifeboats in the water had they even had all the lifeboats needed….
@@iillestrs2153because a lifeboat launched in to the water a hour later because they were preparing them and checking if they had been taking in water
@@flake1445 do you have a point? They got 16 in the water in 2 hours ish, 20 was enough for half, so like I said, how exactly are they getting the other 26 lifeboats in the water in that extra hour when they barely got 16 in the water in 2????
Titanic was NOT A CRUISE SHIP. It was an OCEAN LINER. Huge difference. Cruises are for pleasure and fun. Liners transport passengers from one place to another. 😊
Also if a ship is cruising around the Atlantic or near Alaska where ice bergs and small land islands are common, they will usually scout out nearby obstacles either by helicopter or scouting boat.
There were rules about lifeboats. Any vessel over 10,000 tons had to have at least 16 lifeboats. This is a pretty stupid rule considering that Titanic weighed over 50,000 tons and thus needed a lot more than 16 lifeboats to carry all it's occupants
Ocean liners like titanic take you from point a to point b like a airplane but cruise ship leave and cruise for a week or so and then return to the same port
The RMS Titanic was not a cruise ship it was an ocean lighter yes there is a difference One was designed across the ocean The other was designed to be a vacation on the sea Track there was only one ship that is Class as an ocean liner today
I think the biggest difference is that one is made to steam straight through storms to make it to a destination punctuality. Cruise ships these days are made to navigate around a storm because it doesn't really matter how punctual they are.
That last line “And the ship will sink fast enough as to where all passengers can safely evacuate” Was exactly the mindset that the Nautical community had at the time of Titanic’s Sinking in 1912. The main reason that Titanic didn’t carry enough Lifeboats for all of its occupants (Which could be up to over 3000) was the idea that due to the technology jump in shipbuilding that was occurring at the time, and the installment of new Morse Code Wireless radios (Called Marconi Wireless after the man who invented the machines) on numerous Oceangoing vessels, That That Titanic would sink slow enough as its Watertight compartments held back the flooding and the ship could send out a message and have ships arrive using the few lifeboats to Ferry passengers from ship to ship before the Titanic could sink. Unfortunately, The idea that a ship could sink slow enough to where all the lifeboats could be launched, but fast enough as to where there wouldn’t be a ship to arrive in time was unfathomable, And only 20 Lifeboats total where installed onboard Titanic. All 20 where used when the ship sank, But there was no ship to row to and transfer passengers off onboard. Infact, rescue wouldn’t arrive for 2 hours after Titanic sank. It wasn’t considered that Lifeboats would have to be used in a scenario where there where no ships around and the population of the entire vessel would have to be transferred onto the boats at sea, But it happened, And due in part to that attitude 1500 People where killed.
Correction, RMS Titanic is an OCEAN LINER, totally different from a cruise ship.
Beat me to it 😂
Thank you😊
this nigga really called the titanic a cruise ship
And?? A ship is a ship bruh tomatos tumatus same shit
@@Nemy360 To you maybe, but for some of us, it's better to point out the difference between two things that appears to have the same purpose. Not everything that looks the same necessarily functions the same way.
Titanic is not a cruise ship. She was an ocean liner. Her purpose was to take people from point A to point B as fast as possible, no matter the weather.
No, not really.
@@nogods_nomasters what do u mean he’s right
@@user-co3qr1wr8f her purpose was not no matter the weather, ocean liners diverged from their paths a lot especially later into their history because companies realised sinking and crashing wasn’t good for business
Titanic was an ocean liner.
A cruise ship is like a limo. The destination is not the main attraction. It’s about all the fun activities you can do onboard.
An ocean liner is more like a bus. It runs between two locations on a very strict schedule; as a result of this, liners have to be able to push through the toughest weather conditions, not divert to a port like a cruise ship does.
The point is is that titanic and the icon are very different not when it comes to what they do but how safe they are and things like that
What’s the difference genius?
@@miamibitch305fl -_- I tried to use an analogy that dumb 21st generation minds like yours will maybe understand. I guess I was wrong on that.
You were able to piss off Mike Brody in less than 5 seconds
So fucking true.
Mike brady?
Not just him every ocean liner enthusiast
Mike brady reference in the comments😂
Right? I was pissed from the start! I’ve just watched a great video about old ocean liners, just to watch this shit! 💩
Not to mention that Titanic was an ocean liner, crossing the rough, dangerous, iceberg-laden seas of the North Atlantic whereas this new ship is a cruise ship which will spend 98% of its time in calm, shallow waters and warm weather.
Not true, sir if you do really know about this, this cruises , not just this one all mayor cruises do go across the Atlantic to do western cruises, and also the technology in this modern day cruises to navigate seas is nothing comparable to the titanic , titanic had to relay on men on the top of the ship, pictured that.
@@eduardofindlay4518titanic did not have to “ rely “ on the men in the crows nest, they were just there as another precautionary measure. I understand how much has advanced in 111 years, but do not be fooled, titanic was the most technologically advanced ship in the world at the time of its maiden voyage. If conditions had been a little different that night, the ship never would’ve sunk.
Except ships in 1912 then didn’t have the use of rader technology until it was invented in 1935 back then the guy in the crows nest of the titanic didn’t see the iceberg in time was because the pair of binoculars were locked up by a crewman who was fired and took the only pairs of keys with him before the ships maiden voyage
@@alfredonegrette6775 You’re technically right but Titanic was equipped with state of the art systems for her time, like that underwater listening device to listen for obstacles close to the shore in fog.
I also want to impress upon you the rarity of the night that Titanic sank on. You’re correct that they didn’t have binoculars because they were locked away. But… It was a moonless night, meaning it was incredibly dark as there wasn’t even any moon light to reflect off the berg. This is not dark like it was in the movie, this was dead of night dark. Go into a room with no windows and turn off all the lights and close the door. That is how dark it was. The only light was the light of the stars above which don’t really generate enough light to see by. It was a waveless night, meaning there was no water sloshing around at the base to be noticed. There was, if I recall correctly, nearly double the amount of ice in the North Atlantic as was typical for that time of year and the ice had been carried much further south than it usually was. They also theorize that were was a optical illusion going on because of the water temperature and the air temperature which artificially raised the horizon. All in all with Titanic it was a perfect storm of coincidences, mistakes, and errors in judgement.
Not shallow water.. cruise ship stills sails to destination. Its not like they hug the shoreline as they are sailing to Bahamas
Titanic isnt a cruise ship, it's an ocean liner. And 112 years ago, the Titanic was absolutely stunning especially without computer technology. Just brilliant men who had exceptional engineering skills.
People like you fit this emoji 🤓
@@ummmbye1228Ok? Is there a problem with that?
@@ThePlushBrosProductions yes
@@ummmbye1228 So, being smart annoys you?
@@ThePlushBrosProductions no it’s literally pointing out the smallest things
That part about having enough life boats is especially important.
I mean, Estonia had enough life boats but that really doesn't matter if the ship capsizes in the span of an hour in the middle of the night on the open sea.
R.M.S Titanic had enough lifeboats at the time she sank, It waa people refusing to get into the boats for whatever reasoning. Btw back then it was thought that there would always be a ship nearby so you could ferry lifeboats from the damaged ship to the rescue ship.
@@MatchitMax Titanic only had 20 lifeboats, which could carry only half the maximum capacity.
The new cruise ships have thrust-vectoring impellers that can act like 4 way steering. They are incredibly maneuverable
With the technology nowadays it's unlikely that it will collide with anything.
-Costa Concordia 2012
Unlikely means that there is still a small chance it can happen. It doesnt mean it wont happen.
The Captain is an idiot.
The Costa Concordia was solely the captain's fault
Wasn’t he drunk and with a mistress? Way different
Costa Concordia was 10000% the captains fault. He was an idiot and killed many people.
Another huge difference... Titanic wasn't a cruise ship. It was a luxury liner. 😊
ok
No. It was a ocean liner.
@@Ravioli119luxury ocean liner.
@@reuploadifyit wasn’t luxury, the majority of passengers had bad living conditions
@@matteufoI don't understand how you think that disqualified it from being labeled as luxury. After all, the crew's quarters in even the most luxurious ships are far from luxury - does that disqualify them from being considered luxury also? 🤦
"the cruise ship is unsinkable"
Poseidon: lemme introduce myself.
Poseidon a fake ship -.-
@@tyler93539 c'mon man... Lemme have my fun moment 🥺
Costa Concordia:what about me
Poseidon didnt sink
Costa Concordia: I'm sinkable
RMS Lusitania: me to
HMHS Britannic: me three
RMS Carpathia: at least I helped Titanic's passengers before I sunk
SS Californian: I didn't help titanic because she's annoying.
RMS Titanic: well I'm glad you sunk that's what you get!
RMS express of Ireland: just stop Titanic for me it's RMS storstads fault
Because he sunk me.
he really called the titanic a cruise ship
Stop trying to be smart and theres already loads of comments saying this
@@reupsvideosThat’s literally common knowledge that almost every school should have taught everyone about the Titanic, The moment I saw this clip I was utterly shaking my head the entire time
@@coffeelink943 my school did but I literally went home and raged coz they got everything wrong I love learning about it but they didn’t do research and just blamed ismay for everything I hate that school I dropped out coz it was so bad 1 week before graduation
If clickbait had a voice, it’d sound like this guy
lol
Thank you! Glad I’m not the only one who feels that way 😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly. Your comment deserves far more likes!
Gay?
Here is a big difference, Titanic was a Ocean Liner, it’s purpose was not to go to tourist destinations and take guests on vacation, it was like a airplane, to get passengers from one point to another. The Icon, is a cruise ship, these are what do vacations and such, and they don’t act as transport vessels. Big difference.
was about to comment about that.
There's no way of knowing it would sink slowly if anything happened. No matter how big the ship, the sea is always a LOT more powerful.
Correct Costa Concordia took less than 30 minutes to capsize and don’t get me started on the Estonia
@@WorldTradeCenterNerd you mean 3 hours??? google is free bubba, took the captain over an hour to even admit anything was wrong
"It will sink slow enough for everyone to evacuate" What About Costa Concordia
Costa Concordia was 11 years ago, 😂
only 40 people died on costa and it took over an hour for the worst captain in history to even admit anything was wrong
Here's the difference: Titanic was an ocean liner, Icon is a cruise ship.
Stop trying to be smart
@@reupsvideos Being correct is never a fault.
@@reupsvideosWhat's bad about trying to be smart?
@@reupsvideosthey’re not smart. you’re just stupid.
@@reupsvideos So? He’s right.
Bro called the Titanic a ‘cruise ship’
💀
Yeah and it could hold almost 3000 people
Titanic could hold 3500 but when it sailed it was not completely full many rooms reminded empty
@@ryans413Yes because everyone wanted to travel on the Olympic, Witch was the ship that was most famous before the titanic sank, The titanic had a massive under booking for the voyage so they had to transfer passengers from other ships.
@@Historicaleducation-pm1li Thank you for writing that. Today, everyone believes Titanic was THE most famous ship of its era, but that honor actually went to Olympic. Titanic was just the second of the Olympic-class of shipsm and was nothing the public hadn't already seen on the Olympic.
I thought it was crazy when I first heard it, but Titanic actually did kinda have enough boats. According to BBoT regulations at the time, every vessel over 10,000 tons needed capacity equal to 16 lifeboats. Titanic had the required number as well as 2 collapsibles and two emergency cutters, which put her total capacity *above* regulation. Ships were advancing just too fast for the laws to keep up.
Remember The icon is a cruise ship! (Made to satisfy guest to a luxurious extent) while the RMS Titanic (Royal mail ship) is used to transfer mail while the main purpose of it was to be an ocean liner( a ship made to transfer passenger to a long area) and it is not made to be a cruise some people say that because they only know the attractions of 1st class passenger not the 2nd and 3rd
Also Titanic was actually a beautiful ship.
Yes, the most beautiful ship ever 👑💐
Yes Titanic was beautiful and icon of the seas is a eye sore.
For real bro. It was the perfect design for a ship. Nothing tops her. Even her sister ships don't have the same beauty as her.
Olympic looked way better to me tbh
@hanslanda336 Olympic and Titanic basically look the same. In my opinion, Britannic actually looked the most intriguing
Bro just called the Titanic a cruise ship
So many people do ugh I wish they do some research before making a video
@@tigerblox6655 because it’s not get it right. Titanic was a fancy ocean liner that transported people from point A to point B. Cruise ships just sail around islands and everyone comes back to where they boarded.
People commenting on his videos did. He just responded
@@tigerblox6655 but ocean liners transport more then just people like Titanic it transported lots of mail and cargo other then just the passengers belongings. It was a hotel on water. A cruise ship is just strictly for entertainment no one goes on a cruise ship to go places they get on to enjoy some entertainment and everyone comes right back where they started. Ocean liners drop you off it’s a one way trip.
@@tigerblox6655 ocean liners are/were built for transportation and to not stop in a storm, cruise ships are meant for leisure and if a storm pops up they have to stop in a nearby port. Calling a liner a “cruise” is like calling a plane a Zeppelin
A visual size comparison seems in order…
I'm currently on icon of the seas as this video popped up, very cool!
Costa Concordia: are you sure about that?
it took the captain over a hour to even admit anything was wrong so add that to the time
Well the Costa concordia was a disaster that happened because of the captains own idiocy, the situation ocean liners were put in were way different
"The cruise ship titanic" 💀
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the titanic is a cruise ship lol
@youlikeboysdontcha It's literally a ocean liner, not a cruise ship. In 1912 cruise ships barely even existed 😂
@@MXLLOLLcruise ships tend to be in calm waters most of the time, while ocean liners go to the destination in the shortest amount of time possible, like a bus.
@@MXLLOLLI can tell you 10 things different from a cruise ship and ocean liner
"cruise ships sink slowly" my torpedo has something to say about that...
"no cruise ship is unsinkable" gotta throw that in there to be safe.
Back in 1912 the regulations were you didn’t have to have more than 16 life boats. The Titanic actually carried 22 boats 2 wooden cutters, 14 standard wooden lifeboats and 4 collapsible canvas lifeboats. This was more than what was regulated at the time. Lifeboats wasn’t meant to be in the water for hours. Lifeboats at the time was supposed to act as a ferrying service from one ship to another.
the law at that time based the number of lifeboats required on the gross register tonnage of a ship, not her passenger capacity. So at the time of The Titanic’s completion she was classified as the safest ship ever built up until that point.
That regulation probably wouldnt even exist today if it werent for the titanic sinking.
@@reactive435I'm pretty sure it would've just been common sense to have enough lifeboats for everyone on board, regardless if Titanic sunk or not
@@Boileryard It was complying with safety regulations at the time. The sinking knocked sense into those making the regulations and got them to increase.
@@reactive435 That's true
That’s right on the ferrying part. They figured nothing would be big enough to take it out without enough time to do that and get everyone out.
As an oceanliner enthusiast, I nearly died as you said titanic was a cruiseship
Sad part they think its true
Me too 💀
Get a life
Yeahh 😂😂
Lifeboats weren't supposed to save people back in 1912. They were for getting passengers to a different "rescue" ship.
The captain of this cruise ship must feel like a fucking boss
Titanic was an ocean liner, not a cruise ship. The easiest way to understand the difference is: Titanic was like a bus, it was meant only to transport passengers from continent to continent; while Icon of the Seas or any other cruise ship is like a limousine, it is meant to also transport passengers but not necessarily from continent to continent, and the biggest part of the reason for you to book a ticket is the ship itself, not only the destination
I know where you got that definition but i wont tell on you, haha :3 I literally watched that very video today :P
Finnaly someone else who knows.
@@jamesbali1300 What a coincidence, I really like his channel. That's something that I really wasn't expecting at all lol
@@Gabriel_Strelow The learning curve on his channel is super steep, he is a gem really. The minute this channel called TITANIC a cruise ship, i was going to pull an OceanlinerDesigns card, but i found that you already had the honor 😎
this comment^^^^^
Titanic was not a Cruise Ship. It was an Ocean Liner. Totally different.
not really that different
@@notcharlie7107 It is. A Cruise Ship is a place were you go on vacation to have fun. An Ocean Liner is a ship with the purpose of getting passengers from one place to another. Like instead of taking an airplane from the UK to the US you can take a ship.
@@darius_alex2043 the ships themselves aren't that different though, just the itineraries. So no they aren't that different
@@notcharlie7107yeah kinda, a cruise ship is a vacation and a place to enjoy yourself, the top priority of the cruise is to comfort and fun, an ocean liners top priority was getting its passengers from point a to point B as fast as it could which often meant travelling through bad weather and dangerous waters which is why they were so much more dangerous and sunk much more frequently
@@notcharlie7107they are extremely different
Ive been on the Mariner of the Seas, I loved it. If you can manage to go you should
The footage of Titanic in this video is actually of her sister Olympic.
true
They look exactly the same so please explain how you know it’s not the titanic
@@h1gh_end134 its easy to mistake the two ships because they are externally identical to each other, but you can tell the difference between them by looking at the window layout just beneath the lifeboats. On Titanic, towards the back half, the windows are open and the front half are smaller windows. On Olympic, these smaller windows were completely opened. The clips shown in the video are of Olympic in New York in the 1920s, almost a decade after Titanic sank
Titanic is an ocean liner not a cruise ship
Yep
Uncultured swines are just trying to capitalize on the recent interest in Titanic.
Underrated comment.
@@reuploadifyWellrated comment
What are difference between cruse vs ocean liners
@@hezigege2.045 ocean liners are like a bus. They were the only way to get to America on the Atlantic until the 50's cruise ships are built for pleasure kind of like a limo. They take people on pleasure cruises and there is no fixed destination
Bro should’ve seen the comments coming after calling the Titanic a cruise ship 💀
One major difference.
Titanic was a transatlantic liner.
Icon is a cruise ship.
Also no other ship in history will ever recreated the beauty, class and luxury of the Titanic.
Would be pretty cool to make a true replica titanic and set it up for cruising.
One is/was planned. But crossing the ocean in a ship that size is not for the faint of heart.
Pov: you're looking for a comment not talking about Titanic being an ocean liner.
Looks like I finally found it
Nope. Still looking 😂
Yes those people are so annoying like damn
Fr like we get it!
This video proves that doing your research is important! Words cannot describe how much the inaccuracy pissed me off.
RMS Titanic = Ocean liner
Icon = Cruise ship
Legit one mistake and everyone on his ass like bruh it’s not that deep smh
The fact of the matter is how many life boats these ships have now, which makes it a winner since they have enough to actually accommodate everyone on board
Saw the icon in Miami last week when I went of carnival celebration. That ship was shocking up close. Doesn’t do it justice
If someone makes that small Titanic again it will still fetch more attention than any cruise ship
OceanGate: hold my beer
There are cruise ships of all shapes and sizes. Some that make the T look large.
The titanic is very massive, not even the icon of the seas is double its length!
@@SkirbiyYou need to consider all three dimensions. The gross tonnage of the Icon class is some 5x that of the T. The T's GT was some 46,000 which was significant for it's day but is on the rather small side for today.
@@frederickwilt5541 True, but the titanic did look much better, the icon of the seas is literally an eyesore from the outside, but is very nice from the inside.
The worlds biggest OCEAN LINER Titanic from 112 years ago! No offense I’m just a history nerd.
Yep Titanic , Olympic and Britannic where the biggest ships in the world at the time
Well, titanic and Olympic at least, another ship that was built to be larger than the Olympic class ships set sail I believe a couple of months after titanic’s sinking, long before Britannic set sail in WWI.
Shut up
It’s 111 years ago 💀
The world’s biggest ocean liner Titanic from 111 years ago
“If in the event it does sink it will sink slowly enough for everyone to be evacuated” that’s the same thing they thought about titanic 100 years ago
The Titanic had a structural flaw as we all know.
Are you so dense that you can’t realize that technology has advanced a lot since the last 100 years?
The titanic had a very safe hull as there was many sections of the hull so they thought it would be safe enough to not have much lifeboats
The bigger your hull is the better |battleships|
“Stop comparing…”
After doing a comparison video 😁
titanic didn't have enough boats for everyone yes but it's because back then life boats would usually be used as ferries to ferry passengers away from a sinking vessel to a nearby vessel sense the most common place ship would sink were at ports and harbors
This sounds like something a non maritime historian would say
This is mostly true but
1. Titanic is an ocean liner not a cruise ship
2. The rate at which a cruise ship can sink isn’t always going to be slow enough for everyone to evacuate (for example the costa Concordia)
3. While yes the amount of lifeboats is definitely an improvement, if a ship lists to much to one side during its sinking half of them would be deemed unusable
Titanic isn’t a cruise a ship, she’s an ocean liner, major difference.
Fun fact people tried to sue white star line over dead family members because of the claims that the ship was “unsinkable” however t white star line never really said this it was newspapers that said it and it was the newspaper company’s that got sued in the end over the unsinkable thing
Exactly! It was Hearst who started that whole debacle. They said she was NEARLY unsinkable, as in it took a lot to sink her. And seeing how it took her nearly three hours to sink with a literal gaping hole in her side and bottom Harland and Wolff were absolutely right
The second and third class on the Titanic didn't had access to the area of the first class. They can't use the pool, gym or dining room of wealthy people, they had another area for them. There were gates that don't allow those people to go to the beautiful and luxurious part of the ship. Their rooms looked like a jail with bunk beds. The gates were always closed for them. At modern cruises and ships, all the people can access all areas. Millionaires and working middle class people are mixed into the crowd of people and you can't tell who is who, because all passengers can share together the same attractions at the same time. The rooms don't had bathrooms. They have to share showers and toilets with other passengers. There were very few showers and toilets for too many people. Modern ships has bathrooms in every room. Imagine if you ate too much and need to go running for a toilet! 😂
Both of them are beautiful and are icons of the seas.
“With the technology nowadays it’s very unlikely that it will collide with anything”
-RMS Titanic 1912
(Edit : it’s not hard to take a joke people)
There wasn’t much technology 112 years ago 😂
@@blakel1Considering that the Titanic had a high range Marconi set, complex engine and electrical systems, watertight doors, efficient lifeboat davits, a double hull, many cranes on the deck to assist with loading cargo, microphones in the hull to listen for sounds which effectively acted as sonar, and several telemotors which activated hydraulics to move the ships rudder, I woukd argue that were was quite a lot of technology back in 1912
@@Boileryard ever heard of laziness
@@archiesawesomegames1930 What has that got anything to do with this conversation
@@archiesawesomegames1930yea I just have it cuz u didn’t no none of that
Stay humble or the ocean will humble you.
beware of america fake ice burg tracked entire journey back in 1912????? nope u.s submarine torpedo enter news media cover ups, 911👈👉😷😷😷😷🤒💀🗣️BS🤯🙇😑🤦🤦🤦🤦
Firstly, Titanic is not a cruise ship it’s a luxury ocean liner.
Secondly, Icon of the Seas has a lot more advanced nautical technology which ensures no crashes and sinking would happen, it’s more computer controlled and electronic these days whilst with Titanic this modern technology didn’t exist, they never had satellite controlled digital maps with real time tracking. Both these vessels are completely different, methods and thinking has changed since the last few centuries.
And it is very possible to make sure a ship never sinks, and yes if you can make it buoyant and hydrodynamic enough, yes it can be unsinkable, Shipbuilding and nautical sciences and physics is my thing so I can confirm all this.
Just a reminder that a cruise ship (not this one) got in a scuffle with a military patrol boat and won despite being unarmed because the patrol boat tried ramming it to get it to follow it back to a port, only to suffer critical damage to itself and only cause minor damage to the cruise ship.
Titanic didn’t have enough lifeboats because they weren’t thought of in the same way as they are now, lifeboats were used back then to transport passengers from the sinking ship to the rescue ship that had come to assist. Although they obviously didnt think about the unlikely occurrence when there was no ship close enough to save them
well, the California was close enough to rescue the Titanic passengers before it sank.
finally someone commented this thing.
@@thomasmaloney843yeah, tho crew of Californian wasn't aware that titanic was sinking due to the cold water mirage. All the captain later reported he saw was a ship that "acted weird"
@@dzimi9281 so that's why they were shooting off emergency flares and rockets because it was a celebration?
@@thomasmaloney843 they knew that titanic was sending off emergency flares, tho Titanic's crew launched them every 5 minutes, while launching a flare every minute was the distress signal
Bro calling Titanic a Cruise Ship hurt me inside.
Is it that serious bro lol
Bro called titanic a cruise ship 💀
Imagine calling Titanic a cruise ship
The titanic is still one of the most beautiful ships ever made
No Only At It’s Time But I Don’t Call It Royal
But not strong enough 😂
@@user-yv8yi2bj8eGoofy Emoji
@@user-yv8yi2bj8e the titanic is much stronger than almost any modern ship including those giant bathub with apartment buildings on them looking cruise ships and thats bc ocean liners are built for the roughest weather that the atlantic can posess and to withstand accidents while the titanic could stay afloat with 4 watertight compartments flooded (most cruise ships can stay afloat with 2) the hole was 300 feet long which resulted in 5 or six compartments flooding which made it sink a cruise ship however would capsize bc those ballast tanks are only too reduce rolling and wouldnt do shit if it started flooding which would result in it capsizing and a cruise ship dosent have enough ballast to stay upright in that situation if u wonder why titanic didint capsize
@@lukasakesson2024 ok what makes the old ships stronger
Fun fact most ocean liners of the 20th century have stronger hulls than new cruise ships because of the harsh climate of the atlantic ocean
fun fact thats not true they used rivets back then the whole reason the titanic sank is because the rivets popped, modern WELDED steel is way stronger
@@tyler93539 it didnt sink the titanic because the rivets popped out it literally broke the steel along side the ship and the the cracks were relatively small thats why it sank in 2 hours and any new cruise liner would suffer the same fate as the titanic since ocean liners have thicker hulls as to withstand the atlantic ocean they were literally meant to ride through storms while cruise ships avoid it
@@AtlanticPOG titanics rivets did pop and it was made of iron not steel, steel is WAY stronger than iron
@@tyler93539 the titanic use steel
@@tyler93539yeah modern but welding during ww2 of ship are dangerous because they could buckel in the north altantic in a strong gale
If I were trapped on either of those ships with that voice barking at me I'd glady throw myself overboard
Thank goodness for the 3 vertical dots on the top right.
“With all the technology these modern cruise ships are equipped with it’s very unlikely…”
Costa Concordia has entered the chat
It was the captains fault. Plus it was launched in 2005 and sank somewhat 11 years ago
@jokivaltsunen1492 so you’re saying human error was involved? Kinda like how it was the captain’s fault on the Titanic over 100 years ago? As far as I’m aware humans are still at the helm sailing these ships so as long as that is the case then they will always be susceptible to human error, no matter how small the chances.
To be fair to the Titanic, anything weighing over 10,000 GRT needed to have 16 lifeboats. Titanic prided itself on being better than competitors and so had 20. When the Titanic sank, two lifeboats still had not been launched. So I’ve never gotten the “Titanic didn’t have enough lifeboats” argument because it wouldn’t have helped in this case. The Titanic could have had the required 63 (Someone fact check me the number, I’m too lazy to look it up!) lifeboats and it wouldn’t have mattered due to not having enough time.
We also need to look at the methodology around what the lifeboats purpose was in 1912. Was the lifeboat suppose to hold passengers for a week until they were pushed to shore or a boat found them? No! In short, lifeboats were suppose to ferry passengers, mail, and supplies from the sinking ship to the new ship. This is because the Marconi Wireless was being installed on many ships. This new device allowing ships to communicate to each other; plus the better standards and inventions to help prevent ships sinking fast meant that it was believed another ship could reach a damaged ship in time. We have to remember that in 1912, people traveling from continent to continent had to do so by boat. They mostly followed the same general path. The Carpathia, Californian and Olympic were all within wireless, along with 3 or 4 more who I can’t remember the names of right now.
So, if my ship is sinking, the idea is that another passenger liner will swing along side me, they use all their lifeboats, I use all my lifeboats. And together, we have enough to get everyone transferred safely.
Of course, as we see with Titanic; this was not a great methodology. This is due to many factors including but not limited to:
1.) The Carpathia having to slow to a crawl to avoid the minefield that was icebergs in the surrounding area.
2.) The Californian only having one Marconi operator, who went to bed shortly before the sinking.
3.) The passengers feeling safer on Titanic than in lifeboats.
We should note why passengers felt safer on a big ship rather than a small lifeboat. Another White Star Ship is a good example. The SS Atlantic sank in the late 1800’s. The ship attempted to launch nine or ten lifeboats but all of them smashed against rocks killing everyone on them. While everyone who stayed on the ship was eventually rescued with far less casualties.
During the mid 1800’s the SS Artic launched six lifeboats and several makeshift rafts during its sinking, plus a lifeboat from the other ship it had collided with. Only three lifeboats made it. While the ship that collided with the SS Artic was able to make it back to port because of the watertight compartments.
There are a bunch of other stories but these are the two that come to mind, that show within 50 years of the Titanic’s sinking that lifeboats were a worse decision than simply staying on the ship. This no doubt had to be going through the passengers minds when they weighed getting into a lifeboat or staying on the ship.
Also, this was not a factor on the Titanic as she sank bow to stern, but remember the Empress of Ireland? She was hit on her starboard side. Meaning that if we want to say “every ship needs enough lifeboats.” Then you need to believe that the ship needs enough lifeboats for every passenger on each side of the ship. The Empress of Ireland attempted to launch a lifeboat on the port side of the ship, and that lifeboat flipped while being lowered due to the lifeboat catching the hull, killing everyone aboard. This means that Empress of Ireland theoretically needed enough lifeboats for everyone on starboard to launch safely.
The Titanic is a huge tragedy that we should study and learn from. But I truly believe that the lifeboats were a non factor in this instance. Let’s talk about changing routes when icebergs are in the area. Lets consider having an agency funded to monitor iceberg movement. Let’s talk about having enough crew to man the Marconi Wireless 24/7 for every ship. Let’s talk about slowing down when we are in iceberg territory.
Am I arguing that the Titanic shouldn’t have had more lifeboats? No, I think every ship should be required to have enough lifeboats for every soul on board, but we can just look to the two lifeboats that never got launched to know it wouldn’t have helped in this scenario. Other factors were at play.
Also. I know others have said it, but I want to say it too. Titanic was an Ocean Liner, not a Cruise ship ;)
Edit: Edited to change 1812 to 1912 to reflect correct year the Titanic sank. I’ve been doing research into an ancestor who fought in the war of 1812, and had that on the brain. :P
A huge excuse of bla bla bla, so other words the shipnwas useless and a big piece of shit
Yes this is true and some good points. Just to follow up too yours to say that the last two collapsible lifeboats did get launched but they weren't easily accessible making it hard for them to be launch quickly, that's how one got turned upside down.
They actually did form the International Ice Patrol and radios are now required to be monitored around the clock as a direct result from the Titanic.
I find all the little and big issues and circumstances surrounding the Titanic and how and why it sank and so many people died to be fascinating as there are so many if-that-didn't-happen scenarios they could've actually ended up with everyone being saved.
Not enough time? Not enough people wanting to get in the boats.
@@warrenash5370both. They didn't wait for full life boats at first. Some of them were almost empty. They started dropping boats almost immediately. The final collapsible boat was being launched as the waterline reached the boat deck. They didn't even have to drop it. An additional 43 boats (which is what would have been required for everyone on board that night), never would have even had a chance to launch.
“It would sink slow enough for all guests and crew to evacuate”They said the same thing about Lusitania…
Great Evolution of unsinkable to not unsinkable.
“ it will sink slow enough for all guest and crew to get off safely” What if the ship capsizes…
Death but that's unlikely
There were passengers on the Titanic who insisted the ship wouldn't sink for at least another two days, so they weren't getting on a lifeboat until a rescue ship arrived.🤦♀️
Actually, at 46 seconds, that video is of the Titanic's sister ship, the Olympic. And Titanic was an Ocean Liner. Can't really compare the two if you can't even get the right ship
A lot of the video was the render of Clive Palmer’s Titanic 2…
The Titanic had fewer lifeboats because, the theory was, that the ship itself would be a lifeboat. The watertight compartments were designed to prevent the ship from sinking in the most common accidents (collisions with other ships, groundings, head on collisions, short side swipes) so even if it wasn't able to move, it could still keep people out of the water. It only sank because of poor decision making from the captain (sailing at max speed into an ice field like a moron) and incredibly bad luck that the damage it received was exactly the type of damage that counteracted the safety design of the ship. It's similar to how every plane doesn't have parachutes as the plane is designed to be safe enough to not need them. Still doesn't prevent some deaths but they tend to only happen when safety protocols arent followed.
Oh and if you look at many maritime disasters, you'll see that tons of people died despite adequate numbers of lifeboats or even as a direct result of being on a lifeboat (capsizing when launching was pretty common, especially in rough weather). They're a nice to have but cruise ships nowadays have shown that modern navigation equipment and safety features are more than enough to keep people safe. Only 32 of over 4000 people died on the Costa Concordia. Still a tragedy that shouldn't have happened but if it occurred 100 years ago that death toll would be significantly higher, irregardless of lifeboats.
Cruise ships only are required to have 75 Percent of life boats
The main flaw with cruise ships today some will sway aggressively if the engines stall.
CORRECTION The RMS Titanic was a OCEAN LINER not a cruise ship
What about the costa Concordia? It sank pretty fast
Dumb captain and crew.
the captain rammed the side up on some rocks ripping a massive hole in the ship then he took over an hour to admit anything was wrong the he started the evacuation and was the first one in a lifeboat
Plus, the Costa Concordia isn’t really modern, judging by the fact that it sank over a decade ago
@@IvorEyessthe Concordia is related to a lot and of carnival cruise ships. Most of those are up to date with constant refreshes
Also fun fact the Concordia has its own class of ships and a little subclass. It’s class is also related to the sunshine (destiny) class and the conquest class
I died a little inside when he called Titanic a cruise ship💀
It's unlikely your cruise ship even has enough lifeboats anyway. I forgot the exact value, but i remember they only, by law, need to have enough for about 3/4 of the crew and passenger compliment. The rest have to survive in inflatables, or lifeboats that take more than being lowered to the water to be set up.
Uh….,wrong
They probably said the same thing when Titanic was introduced
The main difference: Titanic wasn't ugly
It was, as all coal ships were
@@vipvip-tf9rwTitanic was a PASSENGER OCEAN LINER Duh.
@@vipvip-tf9rw Shut yo environmentalist ass up.
Fr
@@vipvip-tf9rw nah the superstructure hull and funnels looked very good and please call it an ocean liner not just a coal ship
Hey, a passenger from icons maiden voyage here! Just so you know, the ship is completely safe and it is way different from the titanic. There was no incidents that might have made it even close to sinking when we were there.
If you nerd out over the history of the titanic, it wouldn’t have made a difference had the titanic had enough life boats for everyone. It took too long to lower them. They never got all the lifeboats they did have into the water before it sank due to this
Titanic had half of enough life boats
@@flake1445 and they still didn’t come close to getting them in the water, literally test have been done showing the average time to get one into the water at the most efficient rate possible, it still wasn’t enough time till the ship sank, so realistically, it could have had enough life boats and it still wouldn’t have mattered. Talking 1912, it was a Manual process to get the lifeboats in the water that took about 30 min at the most Efficient rate, they physically could never have gotten all the lifeboats in the water had they even had all the lifeboats needed….
@@iillestrs2153because a lifeboat launched in to the water a hour later because they were preparing them and checking if they had been taking in water
@@flake1445 do you have a point? They got 16 in the water in 2 hours ish, 20 was enough for half, so like I said, how exactly are they getting the other 26 lifeboats in the water in that extra hour when they barely got 16 in the water in 2????
Titanic was NOT A CRUISE SHIP. It was an OCEAN LINER. Huge difference. Cruises are for pleasure and fun. Liners transport passengers from one place to another. 😊
After Titanic, the ship would have to have lifeboats to fit everyone was put into effect. Before Titanic, there was nothing about lifeboats
Also if a ship is cruising around the Atlantic or near Alaska where ice bergs and small land islands are common, they will usually scout out nearby obstacles either by helicopter or scouting boat.
There were rules about lifeboats. Any vessel over 10,000 tons had to have at least 16 lifeboats. This is a pretty stupid rule considering that Titanic weighed over 50,000 tons and thus needed a lot more than 16 lifeboats to carry all it's occupants
Thank you for doing this video!!!!
One was pure class and the other one is tacky as fuck.
Thank you. I am sick of people comparing modern ships to Titanic
Cool, I’ll just hold off on it for at least 3 voyages.
Bro was so great, he used footage of Olympic and claimed it was Titanic...
Ocean liners like titanic take you from point a to point b like a airplane but cruise ship leave and cruise for a week or so and then return to the same port
OCEAN LINER. TITANIC WAS AN OCEAN LINEEEERRRRRR
The RMS Titanic was not a cruise ship it was an ocean lighter yes there is a difference One was designed across the ocean The other was designed to be a vacation on the sea Track there was only one ship that is Class as an ocean liner today
ocean lighter LMAO
I think the biggest difference is that one is made to steam straight through storms to make it to a destination punctuality. Cruise ships these days are made to navigate around a storm because it doesn't really matter how punctual they are.
That last line “And the ship will sink fast enough as to where all passengers can safely evacuate” Was exactly the mindset that the Nautical community had at the time of Titanic’s Sinking in 1912. The main reason that Titanic didn’t carry enough Lifeboats for all of its occupants (Which could be up to over 3000) was the idea that due to the technology jump in shipbuilding that was occurring at the time, and the installment of new Morse Code Wireless radios (Called Marconi Wireless after the man who invented the machines) on numerous Oceangoing vessels, That That Titanic would sink slow enough as its Watertight compartments held back the flooding and the ship could send out a message and have ships arrive using the few lifeboats to Ferry passengers from ship to ship before the Titanic could sink.
Unfortunately, The idea that a ship could sink slow enough to where all the lifeboats could be launched, but fast enough as to where there wouldn’t be a ship to arrive in time was unfathomable, And only 20 Lifeboats total where installed onboard Titanic.
All 20 where used when the ship sank, But there was no ship to row to and transfer passengers off onboard. Infact, rescue wouldn’t arrive for 2 hours after Titanic sank. It wasn’t considered that Lifeboats would have to be used in a scenario where there where no ships around and the population of the entire vessel would have to be transferred onto the boats at sea, But it happened, And due in part to that attitude 1500 People where killed.
Ok so icon is a small country😂we need check out their economy
Titanic isn’t a cruise ship, it was an ocean liner which is a hugely different category and market
people finally stopped milking the "titanic vs oasis of the seas" thing.... so now were doing icon of the seas.
Titanic has 10 decks while icon has 20 decks