Thanks You've taken a big interest in this little drone. Answered a lot of questions that the other reviews can't. More technical answers they'll never get into. I like flying this drone. When in doubt Power Out!
I believe I'm ready now and confident I can after watching your video guide 101. Much appreciation coming from a stock avata and FPV owner. Austin Crawford MSA.
Finally, an actionable solution to the tumble glitch in the Avata! Good thing the Avata is designed for the parts to be easily changeable! Many would want to upgrade to this motors
Excellent video Justin. Looking forward to more in this series regarding how the motor change effects for example battery run time when just cruising compared to more aggressive freestyle. Also interested to see what dji do to improve the issue, presumably a firmware update. But guessing the update will be best not to do if using larger motors..... time will tell. Also would be nice to see a deeper dive down the trees at an even more challenging angle to try draw out the washout.
This is some exciting development for the Avata! Don't know if I could fix that on the drone myself but I surely want one for my Avata. Looks more powerful even on video!
Having never flown the Avata or any FPV, but just having watched a lot of videos, I can certainly say that it felt like you had a lot more raw control, like a car in the snow going from two wheel drive to 4x4 with studded tires.
For sure! I was just showing Ms. Camps the flight test and about how good this flight felt. I kept saying it just felt so flowy! 🌿⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ but also juiced!
Great fuckin video, Camps! My skills aren’t tip top yet but once I build a couple of my own, I’m totally going to come back for this upgrade. Good stuff!!
Excellent breakdown! I can't see the average DJI owner doing this mod because so many folks have DJI FPV because they didn't want to solder anything. I am definitely going to try this mod. These motors are going to sell out quickly and get expensive. A lot of folks promoting the same motors so I guess they work well.
Maybe the solder is ROHS (without Pb) its less shiny than Pb solder ;). What about cutting the wires from the stock mototrs and solder the new mototr to them. Less risk to damage the ESC with overheat ? Thanks for the video, will defently giving it a try :D.
Great video as usual! At least there is now a solution that mitigates the "vortex ring state" issues with the Avata that you have so well covered. As you say, anybody who has built a few drones shouldn't have any trouble with this upgrade. I am enjoying flying my Avata up here in Hood River, and always enjoy seeing Oregon scenery in your videos! But at the age of 80 I often think "But can you really trust a person who wears their hat over their ears"? Ha Ha -- just joking of course! :o) Keep up the good work!
Haha yes those guys and their hats. Just a new generation. I come from a surfing culture background so I tend to be that guy too. And mostly my head is too damn small for most hats. 😆 But I’ll tell you I do have a $500 Stetson Fedora that fits me like a King. I wore it in Vegas with my honey and I got tons of compliments on it. ☑️✨ My grandad always wore Stetson. And damn any excuse and I wear that hat!!! 🌟 Hood River rules! Can Ms. Drone Camps and I buy your house? 😍
Brilliant breakdown, you didn't took the attention from the drone at all. Hopefully DJI takes notes for their next builds. I'm about to get into the fpv world and I want to buy the Avata, I've seen a lot of pros/cons. With that said, I'm more inclined to buy a prebuild 6" quad and at the same time to build one of myself as I am more into cruising "cinematic" videos, the only thing what puts me off are the lipo batteries. I think I watched to many lipo battery video fails 😅
Great video! More useful info for me to digest. Looks like upgrading the motors is the way to go. You'd think DJI would take note of this and upgrade existing and newly built Avata motors (for free) to eliminate the tumble, especially now that it's very well publicized. That would go a LONG way with their customer base.
Now you're thinking like I do! Take a near perfect drone and make it more perfect! This is the type of vid you're capable of, and the reason i subscribed long ago. If you get a chance, try a couple sharp left Yaw turns, without much mix, more like a newbie might, and if there's a little wind it might help induce the tumble. Also, a description of how and why you chose these specific motors would be awesome. Great job, keep it up! 👍
This is mint, man you get way up in there with the upgrades to the profomance, I think your gana get that .5 to make it 5/5 if you keep doing stuff like this, maybe with different props to? I wonder what the C rate is coming off with new motors compared to old, how much lest battery time you think?
do you think DJI put lower kv motors in to get that flight time up? I'm gettin more than 6 min on stock motors. what are your avg. flight times w/ new motors?
Yes you are because *** Manual mode with the stock motors only gets me 5 minutes in a freestyle flight. Flying the Avata with the stock motors in N or S Mode will yes get more flight time than a freestyle flight.
Thanks for sharing. I have Avata, mine shows the actual speed in my view, why not just tell us what the new speed is compared to old motors? Several of these videos, but no decision data on new speed, or battery longevity.
So i fly an Avata....im completely new to FPV...and i really enjoy the avata.....but i fly my avata with a motion controller....the avata is limited to about 30mph when Not in Manual mode....will these motors also increase its speed when NOT in Manual mode..? What kind of speed difference can we expect...???
a novice question (sorry if I'm saying nonsense) but what if instead of dismantling the entire drone to unsolder all the wires from the card, we cut the old wires in mid-section and properly soldered the new motors on them?
my question may be silly, because I don't know about electronics. But what if I simply cut the wires from the original motors and solder them with the new ones, without the need to solder directly to the central board?
@dronecamps appreciate your reply. It's my bucket list before I become bedridden from my disease. I have been able to make 2 films about my life with the disease. Check out Fighting MSA Austin Crawford's Story and Driven to Help. That's me. Again appreciate it
great video brother! I was wondering how is the sound compared to the default Super Loud Motors & Props? does it reduce the sound of the Avata with these upgraded C157 motors? you got a sub good job man!
Seems much faster safer and easier just to strip the motor wires and patch new motors into them right? what do you think about in-line soldering motor wires like race wire?
nice, im lazy I would rather cut each wire splice and solder and shrink tube each wire it won't look as neat but still would be quicker and achieve the same results, I don't have the patience to tear the entire drone apart.
I suspect the warranty will be void if you do this. Lol but you might not use it once your quad has enough power to not crash in regular flying and avoid sending it in early for repairs. Ha tough choice!
I’ve got about 30 hours in an FPV simulator. I feel confident in getting an FPV drone and starting to fly. I need a drone for cinematic shots, vehicle chases, house fly throughs etc. but I also want to play, get vertical, power loops, hard turns etc. would you recommend I get the avata stock? Or should I upgrade it off the bat (I’ve never soldered before) 😬??????
Not more efficient. But I’d rather have less chance to “tumble” than get an extra 30 seconds with the under powered stock motors. The stock motors can get you into more trouble with speed or wind.
@@dronecamps Hopefully they fix the tumble for those of us after long flight times. Sure should not happen cruising. But the wind.... especially if you want to cruise coast lines....
So I’m gonna attempt to take these motors and the base are the same as the mini 3 pro, if all goes well I should only have to flip the wires around so they are spinning the right way, but where can I get props that are the other way around not upside down. Any suggestions to any of this. But should work to give the mini 3 pro some balls ya know. ? Thanks
Hello, thank you for your beautiful and informative video. I would be interested in the flight time with the axis motors and Gopro? Thanks so much. Kind Regards Dny15
some flux goes a long way at replacing those motors. frankly it makes a much tighter seal when it flows properly and you avoid having the wires poking up like you had on one of your wires. as long as it holds its ok just wires sticking up like that could cause shorts if the bottom plate is metal
Never built a race or free style quad never soldered before and I managed to rebuild my fpv so I think I’m going to give it a shot. How much more mph speed did you get?
@Italo Barreto O que vc pode fazer ítalo, é fazer a desmontagem, levar pra um cara da sua confiança que faça a soldagem dos motores, e depois vc remontar tudo novamente.
I just wondering If the ESC of the avata available for this axisfly motors ? Because they designed this drone for original 2400 kv motors. That one is 3600 kv
I just ordered the motors for my avata. Is it ok if I change the props, and if it’s ok to do it which ones you recommend? I’m a subscriber and see a lot of your videos. .
This is actually the second video I’ve seen with these motors, both of you really enjoyed the flight characteristics a lot more after this upgrade. A friend of mine has got his AVATA on the way, he doesn’t really want to do full manual so much. Which is why I got his cinewhoop so cheaply lol. But once he realises just how well it flies in normal and sport, he may end up getting theses motors once he realises that even in normal or sport mode it can do that deaf spiral.
@@maddmavic k apparently that deaf spiral has happened to people while in sport mode as well. The extra power from these different motors allows the AVATA to power through that problem.
Cool Video and a Great Mod for Hobbyists! But at this point I think I will just build a new drone. This will probably void all the warranties and if DJI finds out that I crash the drone, they will probably not honour the care refresh due to the mod. If I really want to customize, I'll probably source parts out from online DJI parts surplus.
Greetings from Germany .... Love all the work you are doing with this.
Thanks
You've taken a big interest in this little drone.
Answered a lot of questions that the other reviews can't. More technical answers they'll never get into.
I like flying this drone. When in doubt Power Out!
should have done this instead of the full avata 3.5 inch upgrade, really thankful i found the video so I can still enjoy my avata.
I believe I'm ready now and confident I can after watching your video guide 101. Much appreciation coming from a stock avata and FPV owner. Austin Crawford MSA.
Thanks!
Welcome!
Love all the work you are doing with this. Next step for DJI, Avata Exteme Edition!
Finally, an actionable solution to the tumble glitch in the Avata! Good thing the Avata is designed for the parts to be easily changeable! Many would want to upgrade to this motors
Excellent video Justin.
Looking forward to more in this series regarding how the motor change effects for example battery run time when just cruising compared to more aggressive freestyle.
Also interested to see what dji do to improve the issue, presumably a firmware update.
But guessing the update will be best not to do if using larger motors..... time will tell.
Also would be nice to see a deeper dive down the trees at an even more challenging angle to try draw out the washout.
Ha you show me a deeper dive with yours ;) time will tell about a firmware update! ⚡️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Dang you found the solution. Kudos on these testing and coming up with these motors upgrade.
This is some exciting development for the Avata! Don't know if I could fix that on the drone myself but I surely want one for my Avata. Looks more powerful even on video!
Yes important getting a good weld file iron tip clean with a file pre braesing with some solder
Thanks and great work! Drone looks more reliable to carry out the moves! That's some solid motor strength
Just got Avata 2 weeks ago and it took dive into the ocean while banking on sharp angle I wish I saw ur videos before hand
Man I’m so sorry that happened to you !
Having never flown the Avata or any FPV, but just having watched a lot of videos, I can certainly say that it felt like you had a lot more raw control, like a car in the snow going from two wheel drive to 4x4 with studded tires.
That’s absolutely lead free solder. Which I hate working with on larger projects.
Fantastic video btw!
Thanks! I hate lead free. 😆 lead for me! 😆
Thanks for share dear Friend!!
Awesome video! Could you please make an updated video, installing these mods on the new avata 2? Much love!
Great video as usual! I am enjoying flying my Avata Keep up the good work! i am vollow you,have a nice day too
Very good! Congrats!
best flight ive seen yet Bro
WOW! the new motors make the flight experience feel so good, feels like it has the extra juice the cinewhoop needed!
For sure! I was just showing Ms. Camps the flight test and about how good this flight felt. I kept saying it just felt so flowy! 🌿⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ but also juiced!
Great fuckin video, Camps! My skills aren’t tip top yet but once I build a couple of my own, I’m totally going to come back for this upgrade. Good stuff!!
Nice vid. Nice work showing how to replace the motors. The flying looks smoother with more power.
Smoother power and I’m loving the flowy feel.
Great video. Which propellers would you recommend? The originals? How did you set your rates in M mode?
Excellent breakdown! I can't see the average DJI owner doing this mod because so many folks have DJI FPV because they didn't want to solder anything.
I am definitely going to try this mod. These motors are going to sell out quickly and get expensive. A lot of folks promoting the same motors so I guess they work well.
I think they will sell out fast. I would get a set. And buy a few more as a replacement motor back up.
awesome dude thank you i think this will be my first manual flight machine i have the dji fpv 2 chicken to try its pristine not gonna change that
the dullness of the original solder could be explained if they are using lead free solder. Sometimes you see that.
Yup my thoughts exactly!
Or cheap solder. 👍🏻 No one knows.
Hahah do they? I do hate lead free. Flows like crap!
Lead free 4 shizzle …. My nizzle
Maybe it's coming to prevent water contact
Now I want an avata
Maybe the solder is ROHS (without Pb) its less shiny than Pb solder ;). What about cutting the wires from the stock mototrs and solder the new mototr to them. Less risk to damage the ESC with overheat ? Thanks for the video, will defently giving it a try :D.
Can you also upgrade the dji neo motors in the future?
Great video as usual! At least there is now a solution that mitigates the "vortex ring state" issues with the Avata that you have so well covered. As you say, anybody who has built a few drones shouldn't have any trouble with this upgrade. I am enjoying flying my Avata up here in Hood River, and always enjoy seeing Oregon scenery in your videos! But at the age of 80 I often think "But can you really trust a person who wears their hat over their ears"? Ha Ha -- just joking of course! :o) Keep up the good work!
Haha yes those guys and their hats. Just a new generation. I come from a surfing culture background so I tend to be that guy too. And mostly my head is too damn small for most hats. 😆
But I’ll tell you I do have a $500 Stetson Fedora that fits me like a King.
I wore it in Vegas with my honey and I got tons of compliments on it. ☑️✨
My grandad always wore Stetson. And damn any excuse and I wear that hat!!!
🌟
Hood River rules! Can Ms. Drone Camps and I buy your house? 😍
Great video/flying! Looks to be a whole new beast with the motor upgrades.
Brilliant breakdown, you didn't took the attention from the drone at all. Hopefully DJI takes notes for their next builds. I'm about to get into the fpv world and I want to buy the Avata, I've seen a lot of pros/cons. With that said, I'm more inclined to buy a prebuild 6" quad and at the same time to build one of myself as I am more into cruising "cinematic" videos, the only thing what puts me off are the lipo batteries. I think I watched to many lipo battery video fails 😅
Is it smother and faster than the avata 2 ? Funnier thought ?
That was badass!!! Thanks Bro! 🤟
Great video! More useful info for me to digest. Looks like upgrading the motors is the way to go. You'd think DJI would take note of this and upgrade existing and newly built Avata motors (for free) to eliminate the tumble, especially now that it's very well publicized. That would go a LONG way with their customer base.
Great instructional video !!!
can you just soder directly to the existing wires without removing all the components
Awesome video and a great and easy little upgrade. Would love to own a Avata , looks like a fun drone to have in the collection
Now you're thinking like I do! Take a near perfect drone and make it more perfect! This is the type of vid you're capable of, and the reason i subscribed long ago. If you get a chance, try a couple sharp left Yaw turns, without much mix, more like a newbie might, and if there's a little wind it might help induce the tumble. Also, a description of how and why you chose these specific motors would be awesome. Great job, keep it up! 👍
Thanks. This upgrade makes a huge difference to me. Def worth the time. Now it’s where I want it to be! 🌟☑️
This is mint, man you get way up in there with the upgrades to the profomance, I think your gana get that .5 to make it 5/5 if you keep doing stuff like this, maybe with different props to? I wonder what the C rate is coming off with new motors compared to old, how much lest battery time you think?
do you think DJI put lower kv motors in to get that flight time up? I'm gettin more than 6 min on stock motors. what are your avg. flight times w/ new motors?
Yes you are because *** Manual mode with the stock motors only gets me 5 minutes in a freestyle flight.
Flying the Avata with the stock motors in N or S Mode will yes get more flight time than a freestyle flight.
You think this can carry with mini now with no issues? Or maybe still be careful with the yaw spins?
Hi,
nice work ! , I have purshaded the motors today !! any idea of the max speed improvement with the new motors?
About 30% more power
Awesome🤘🏻💯😎
Excellent video Thanks 👏👏
Very interesting indeed
Can I use this for avata 2 also.?
Thanks for sharing. I have Avata, mine shows the actual speed in my view, why not just tell us what the new speed is compared to old motors? Several of these videos, but no decision data on new speed, or battery longevity.
So i fly an Avata....im completely new to FPV...and i really enjoy the avata.....but i fly my avata with a motion controller....the avata is limited to about 30mph when Not in Manual mode....will these motors also increase its speed when NOT in Manual mode..? What kind of speed difference can we expect...???
I got an esc error earlier today but nothing touching only back 2 motors spin
what do u think esc will tolerate this extra on a long term?
only I see a slight vibration in the gimbal with those motors with abrupt maneuvers?thanks for this test
Hello ! Great video.
I had one question. If im going for normal cinewoop cinematic indoor flights, would it be a difference on the handling?
Cheers
a novice question (sorry if I'm saying nonsense) but what if instead of dismantling the entire drone to unsolder all the wires from the card, we cut the old wires in mid-section and properly soldered the new motors on them?
Hmm. Could be bad. 😂
my question may be silly, because I don't know about electronics. But what if I simply cut the wires from the original motors and solder them with the new ones, without the need to solder directly to the central board?
Question....in your opinion what props would you recommend getting for this style of flying? I ordered the complete Axis 3.5 upgrade.
The 4 blade HQ props!
@dronecamps appreciate your reply. It's my bucket list before I become bedridden from my disease. I have been able to make 2 films about my life with the disease. Check out Fighting MSA Austin Crawford's Story and Driven to Help. That's me. Again appreciate it
great video brother! I was wondering how is the sound compared to the default Super Loud Motors & Props? does it reduce the sound of the Avata with these upgraded C157 motors? you got a sub good job man!
Great video 💯👍Thanks
Thanks for the great tip and video but the link to the motors seems broken..can we still get them?
Seems much faster safer and easier just to strip the motor wires and patch new motors into them right? what do you think about in-line soldering motor wires like race wire?
You could
nice, im lazy I would rather cut each wire splice and solder and shrink tube each wire it won't look as neat but still would be quicker and achieve the same results, I don't have the patience to tear the entire drone apart.
I would too but I'm scared
Awesome video !!! Do you offer a service to build it for others thanks for taking time to make the video much appreciate it!
I do fpv build services but not the Avata conversion builds.
I see ok thank you so much! Wish you did @@dronecamps
Yw
Hi Camps, all you did was change the motors right? no more reprogramming or something?
Please i want buy this axls motors with ESC BORD Ready, welded ... from where.... i have avata damge Esc and motors one time i want change this .
Hello, can Avata handle without any problems action cam 145 grams, with just this motors? Im not flying agresively, more cinematic.
I’d say yes.
@@dronecamps thank you.
Very cool! I suppose the warranty will not be available once you open the quad?
I suspect the warranty will be void if you do this. Lol but you might not use it once your quad has enough power to not crash in regular flying and avoid sending it in early for repairs.
Ha tough choice!
Well done 👏
Is there an increase in speed in normal and sport modes?
I’ve got about 30 hours in an FPV simulator. I feel confident in getting an FPV drone and starting to fly. I need a drone for cinematic shots, vehicle chases, house fly throughs etc. but I also want to play, get vertical, power loops, hard turns etc. would you recommend I get the avata stock? Or should I upgrade it off the bat (I’ve never soldered before) 😬??????
Wooohooo it flies ....... hmmmm ....... reinventing the wheel ....
No. Giving it what it should have come with to avoid failure.
Are they more efficient. Can you get longer cruising flights than you got in the stock motors?
Not more efficient. But I’d rather have less chance to “tumble” than get an extra 30 seconds with the under powered stock motors. The stock motors can get you into more trouble with speed or wind.
@@dronecamps Hopefully they fix the tumble for those of us after long flight times. Sure should not happen cruising. But the wind.... especially if you want to cruise coast lines....
I've been caught in rain and also crashed hot motors in deep snowbanks, no apparent consequences. Any reason to think these motors would be different?
Hello friends, how many Kv is the original engine of the DJI Avata?
So I’m gonna attempt to take these motors and the base are the same as the mini 3 pro, if all goes well I should only have to flip the wires around so they are spinning the right way, but where can I get props that are the other way around not upside down. Any suggestions to any of this. But should work to give the mini 3 pro some balls ya know. ? Thanks
Hey Justin,
Great video! as always! could you share your camera angle and rates?
Great Video!!! Please a test with new motors and no Guards :D
Yes and more tests coming
Hello, thank you for your beautiful and informative video. I would be interested in the flight time with the axis motors and Gopro? Thanks so much. Kind Regards Dny15
I love how u debug DJI problem hahaha
great vid Justin am not into soldering but looks like your avata flyin soooo good buddy somethin maybe dji can look at luv mine
Fyi,
Most people aren't into soldering. We just do it.
Did you check top speed and battery consumption?
Hello you your left is not working do you still have a left where I can find the motors
some flux goes a long way at replacing those motors. frankly it makes a much tighter seal when it flows properly and you avoid having the wires poking up like you had on one of your wires. as long as it holds its ok just wires sticking up like that could cause shorts if the bottom plate is metal
Nice video, nice of you to show how to change those motors, do you know if the DJI FPV drone has motor upgrades like this ?
Not that I know of. I’ll check with Axis.
Thank you for the very good video, I already ordered the engines, what top speed reaches unlike the originals
How does this upgrade impact flying time?
About 30secs less
good morning all
3 blade props ?? Do you think they might help
I believe 4 blade will be our sweet spot with the Avata. I am currently researching, helping manufacturers and testing them all for you guys.
Great video!... Did the new motors affect the fly time?
Maybe 30 sec less on a Manual Mode Freestyle flight. But I was high throttle a lot.
Nice man. It looks more powerful than the stock. The only concern I have is would it void the dji care refresh if we change the motors?
It would yes. But pay now or pay later they say.
Does the upgrade also increases top speed?
Yes by about 30%. It is right away noticble when you fly it the first time.
Qué pasa con el consumo de batería es mayor o es igual
Never built a race or free style quad never soldered before and I managed to rebuild my fpv so I think I’m going to give it a shot. How much more mph speed did you get?
Give it a shot! I’m not sure but the speed seems to be about 30% more power.
is there a company that does this kind of installation?
Parabéns amigo, eu tenho compartilhado seus vídeos no Brasil sobre o assunto. Elogio seu empenho em trazer a opção de um voo mais seguro
Gracias !
Tb sou Br. Esperando chegar meu avata e esses motores.
@@iconlearn show
@Italo Barreto O que vc pode fazer ítalo, é fazer a desmontagem, levar pra um cara da sua confiança que faça a soldagem dos motores, e depois vc remontar tudo novamente.
I just wondering If the ESC of the avata available for this axisfly motors ? Because they designed this drone for original 2400 kv motors. That one is 3600 kv
They work perfectly
@@dronecamps If I change motors can I fix yaw issue ?
@@dronecamps you had yaw issue after changed motors ?
Much less with the new motors
I just ordered the motors for my avata. Is it ok if I change the props, and if it’s ok to do it which ones you recommend? I’m a subscriber and see a lot of your videos. .
I like the HQ 3 blade props
This is actually the second video I’ve seen with these motors, both of you really enjoyed the flight characteristics a lot more after this upgrade. A friend of mine has got his AVATA on the way, he doesn’t really want to do full manual so much. Which is why I got his cinewhoop so cheaply lol. But once he realises just how well it flies in normal and sport, he may end up getting theses motors once he realises that even in normal or sport mode it can do that deaf spiral.
@@maddmavic k apparently that deaf spiral has happened to people while in sport mode as well. The extra power from these different motors allows the AVATA to power through that problem.
Helps 85% with flying out imo. ☝🏻
There would still be a high wind threshold. Not sure I wanna test that tho! 🤣
Cool Video and a Great Mod for Hobbyists!
But at this point I think I will just build a new drone.
This will probably void all the warranties and if DJI finds out that I crash the drone, they will probably not honour the care refresh due to the mod.
If I really want to customize, I'll probably source parts out from online DJI parts surplus.
This may be true. Any after market part may void the warranty.
No wrong motor direction during replacement?
Install them just like the stock motors are installed and there is no issues with motor direction.
No.
- Runs wires straight to esc tabs.
- Don’t cross wires.
- Dji Fc sees and corrects
motor direction.
*#1 Rule : Don’t cross wires !
You’ll be fine. ⚡️⚡️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@dronecamps nice.. 👍