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Spoiler: Everyone in Honkai Impact 3rd has a lot of trauma. There's a reason one of its nicknames in the community is "Depression Impact". Hell, I am not to proud to say I cried at the end of chapter 31 (final chapter of the elysium everlasting arc).
@@jamesroad316 and HSR's Penacony story will be upbeat and wholesome, yeah? Mmmhmm. My rebuttal: HI3 chapter 9. But even if it's painful a lot of the time, it still makes you FEEL something. And that's the sign of great writing.
Maybe this is why Welt and Luocha (aka Otto) decided to move on to the hsr universe bcs they know it all too well that it is impossible for them to be playable
@@Imp3rdLordwhen you said VA the first thing that came to mind was voice actor so my mind thought they had the same voice actor lol also not much of a spoiler as I don’t know anything about the void archives
I have 2100+ days on Honkai Impact 3rd and I'd say that the community is mostly divided into 1. Story and lore enjoyers 2. Gate keepers 3. Gay enjoyers 4. Men haters 5. Otto apologists 6. Genshin haters 7. Try harders Edit : holy replies. Did i overcook?
Ironically, this sums up a lot of MMO and F2P games now.... Shame what gaming tends to become at times... I just want to play a good game w/o the drama.
@@fireguy7728 I came for the story but since the ending was rushed in a really bad way, I didn't like it as much as everyone praised it. Ironically, I ended up joining the Yatta squad for some time since they are the chillest part of the fandom.
Honkai Star rail doing so well with their male character that some "... rich girl on weibo commissioned 18 illustrators to draw aventurine and paid for 100 trees to be planted in a desert under aventurines name + donated a peacock to a zoo and named it aventurine she also paid for 50 people to have 100 USD stellar jade packs to get aventurine" and "...she also held... an aventurine themed party and hired a cosplayer or something to be aventurine"
I love aventurine as a character, but i never ever imagine that someone will do something like that over a fiction character? That's insane..!! Well, what a dedication.
As a member of the CN community, I can confirm that there were actually a surprisingly decent number of us who supported the idea of playable male characters in HI3.......We fought many battles but we lost the war.
also, i see a lot of english comments about how there shouldn't be male characters playable on the game and only "waifus". it's just that the CN playerbase is bigger i guess
From a player who raged out and filed a damn report for spending on his waifu's skin, only to for Mihoyo to release a another free skin, to the CEO getting almost assassinated by someone because of the bunny girl skin, and now this Holy damn shit, CN playerbase were really unhinged as hell in a whole new level lmfao
Bunny girls were not a skin. It was a, get this, a GLOBAL ONLY animation when the main cast danced on bunny girl outfits. When CN heard about it the situation got so bad they were reported to the CCP for catering to the global audience instead of the CN one. They also clamored to get the video removed cause bunny girl outfits depicted the main cast as hookers. Also yeah attempted murder but that happened at the end
Da Wei creating HSR was honestly peak experience and vision culminating. A game with only one gender would certainly only cater towards certain people, but with both genders, everyone can enjoy it, which means more revenue and popularity.
It just feels so weird having the entire casts be female or male. Part of why I don't really like Hi3rd. There's not even a male self-insert ffs, let alone actual developed male characters that's playable.
@@NopWorks there is a male self insert in APHO, named adam, heck even "captain" has his own story in captainverse and both get tons of hate for no reason, HI3 fandom itself is gonna be reason of server shutdown if game ever fails to generate proper revenue because they wanted to gatekeep certain gendered characters, heck there is this whole thing about anyone not lesbian or having straight relationship having a tragic ending, they legit killed off straight ships literally
Hi3 managers: "we apologize for thinking we could add male characters into the game.. here you go free stuff" Genshin managers: "You should apologize for thinking we would increase the rewards when you review bomb us and unfollow in millions"
The fact that Kevin and Siegfried have partially finished move sets that can be used on certain stages shows that Hoyoverse could have planned for them to be playable which is such a waste.
Yeah, agreed. I honestly get the feeling they had originally considered all the male Flamechasers for inclusion. If you look at some of the trailers from the time the male Flamechasers are showcased the same as the females. And the designs and story for them were just as amazing, in my opinion. Some folks just fall into the "raging manchild" category and cant handle it, I guess. Pity, knowing Mihoyo it would have been done spectacularly.
They probably gonna put them to somewhere else and not just straight up dump them off to trash bin Maybe just copy and upgrade it so they can use in HSR Or copy the movesets but with different avatar (brand new character) and put it either in Genshin or ZZZ
They didn't just invest in fusion energy, but they also did a shit ton of charity such as making schools in rural area, training center, a new VA studio for China, and a lot more charity project. They did this even before the success of Genshin Impact, its because of their motto "Tech Otaku Saving the World" that Mihoyo is a very generous company
i feel like the main reason why hsr worked with the male characters was that it was never intended for the hi3 audience, but more for the genshin-like audience. hi3 much more likely had WAY more ML players (master love) that had a much lower tolerance for males than genshin players
Still, it feels that Mihoyo has been eliminating a lot of the captain (player reference) since part 1 ended, also you have to add that Global has low tolerance for males, since ruins the yuri fantasy
Tears of Themis is pretty chill despite also catering to one fanbase also, but this time female fanbase and yes, there is "groping simulator" you can touch all 4 men, and special outfits will give special groping animation iirc (i remember that yank...) For some reason they are chill, yet HI3rd is like this
Being a Themis fan is good we get good QoL, Rewards, AND they listen to their global audience (throwback when they considered discontinuing the JP VO but decided not to bc players showed their concerns in a civil, adult, non assassination matter)
I still don't know how mihoyo deeply loves their China server that they apologize and compensate over a male character when Genshin literally makes millions and probably gets less (I haven't played the two games in months so please correct me if i'm wrong)
Mhm. Really sucks that some of the larger voices in Honkai's community refuse to acknowledge the genuine issue that comes from that side of the community and outright deny it when it's brought up. *Cough Cough, UD, Cough Cough*
@@kamanira I don't know who is UD, but talking smack about the CN is strictly prohibited It seems. Yes, chat still censors mentioning them. Probably cuz they are afraid of both servers infighting again like they did in the Anniversary to the point of having actual impact in the game and causing such an uproar that they managed to force and imposed their will on the devs. They probably don't want that to happen again, though I think It hardly ever will happen with the same intensity (on the version that came right after the Anniversary one, a new term of agreement was issued, in which they stated they were not obligated to change in-game things as devs If they themselves did not want to (tbh, though, the cccp can still imposed their will. But at least the CN player can't anymore).
The even crazier thing is that after Adam in APHO, they doubled down in APHO 2 with Lyle, a support character that you can't directly play as but is a very present second male character in the story. Which, honestly, Lyle sort of looks like... Aventurine... a little... *oh no*
Thing with Lyle is that he showed up in previous story as a Rooster kid, different from Adam, which he may be the kid Mei saved, but it's just speculation at this point.
@@quantumtheabyssalwolf950yall should google the term expy and find out its meaning. These are Variants, different versions not EXPYs. An EXPY would be Raiden Mei from GGZ which is the same Raiden Mei in Hi3 but Raiden Ei in gi is not expy but a Variant a different version of Raiden Mei.
They got mad before over some skins that global had access to. That was the point where i ended up dropping all mihoyo games cause why can players from another server dictate what happens on other servers?
@@DarkFrozenDepths I think that was dropped with Genshin. For example, CN players were forced into swapping Jean, Mona and Ambers classic skins to their updated skins where as it's an alternate skin for global players.
Correction: Captain isn't dead, he's been drifting in the Sea of Quanta aboard his own version of the _Hyperion_ . Incidentally, this is not only where the game has the only canonical still-living versions of Kallen Kaslana and Murata Himeko, but also the series of event-borne side stories where Captain gets his own canonical _wife_ in the form of Lunar Vow - Crimson Love (the grown-up version of the vampiric Theresa, Luna). It's _also_ the place where Bronie (Haxxor Bunny / Silver Wolf) came from, _and_ the game mode that tested out a concept for Mihoyo's next game, a _Stardew Valley_ / _Animal Crossing_ type of farming game. The event was called 'Captain's Ranch Tale,' and it was very well-liked. It had Captain's crew contributing in various ways, including Himeko taking care of the cows and chickens. It was both funny and heartwarming, something we sorely needed at the end of Part 1.
Aaaaahhh, Haxxor Bunny and Lunar Vow. Two of my favorite battlesuit designs in the whole game. Luna is still meta, but I still play with Haxxor Bunny in my ice team for no better reason than I adore the design. Are there better options? Yep. Don't care.
@@brod1762I still use her to this day, lol. In some instantes, Kira and Sushang are still too slow. No matter how much more dmg and buff you have, and How much more meta you are, nothing beats easily triggered Time Fractures, stopped frames and no-switch supports.
@@turinmormegil7715 truth. Bronya (Silverwing), Bronie (HaxxorBunny), and Shigure Kira (Sugary Starburst) has been my ice team for a hot minute. Though as of now that is supplanted by Thelema, Senadina, and Coralie. Because Thelema, just wow. Crazy DPS.
@@sylrune I haven't Gotten Silverwing Nor managed to make Kira nor Sushang work in my team, so I'll keep using Elysia, Pardo and Bronie. And I won't pull for Thelema cuz I'm recovering and skipping (I always Skip after pulling for someone).
Yeah, Hoyo DEFINITELY realises that male characters also sells. In fact Genshin ratio of male female player isn't that big which around 55 : 45. They also know (sane) male player want to play as male characters too. My friend even says he's willing to go back to Genshin if they release Siegfried expy. (Please be Varka)
@@johannesmarcus05 lmao i had the same thoughts! "Ooh I heard theres a male playable main character I think. Maybe it's time to start my Honkai 3rd Journey!" 3 hours in the story later: "I'm bored, no men."
@@johannesmarcus05 imo hi3 should stay as waifu games... Wan non waifu games? Juz create another game like hsr for difference audience. Devs should not change their target audience priorities on existing games.
@@eleongo why shouldnt they? games need the flexibility to grow and change over time rather than sticking to a rigid status quo, i used to play warframe and that game almost died and for a few years was constantly getting hate till fairly recently where they added a ton of changes that made various community factions happier. Secondly people say that same thing but interms of studios, recently manjuu (azur lane devs) got flak because of an image that made it look like there might be playable male characters in thier new game and fanboys were whining that they should only make stuff catered to men. This type of response has also been seen in anime too. When free! that anime about swimming had been announced, fans of the studio made an uproar that it was a manservice anime rather than the usual male catered moe blob stuff like K-on that the studio was known for. Some went as far as saying it would kill the studio. Funny given the series success with both genders and how profitable it became.
FYI a huge number of HST (honkai starrail) Korean male players agree with this rhetoric. they're basically saying starrail should STOP producing MALE CHARACTERS in the game because it's POISONING and RUINING the game. Lots of Korean male players criticize honkai starrail for not following the footsteps of honkai 3rd players because they claim female game players are useless to the game's overall profit and game structures. No, the Korean male players don't want to kill the ceo of hoyoverse but they certainly condemn him.
I don't feel surprised at all, considering I've already heard about the Limbus and Arknights controversies in KR and how rampant sexism is in KR, to the point feminism is considered subversive by those fanatics
Really cuz I remember being confused as fuck 😂 like I was like wait who is this character I am playing as?? What is his importance in the story?? Wait does he even have any voice lines or is he a self insert , so many questions came to my mind and honestly APHO is great to play however the story hasn't progressed much
Mr. Paycheck is great, if not for CN fan base I can't think how one could really hate him. Specially if you consider the fact he may be the kid Mei saved from the human traffickers.
@@silvermoonk9121He is selfinsert. A mf with no depth no voicelines nothing. Just a placeholder for you to imagine yourself in. Cringe unhinged and pathetic
the grope simulator is still available BUT I think it's only on CN and SEA servers it was only available for old characters that was available before the update was implemented so base Kiana,Bronya, Mei, Fu Hua and Himeko you can still touch them and they still react to it.
CN does not have it after 2018 (which also removed all swimsuit skins as well), while SEA and JP still has it, it's only for characters released before 2018.
Not mentionned in the video is the paycheck meme. One player had a headcannon of Adam being there just for the paycheck and that headcannon was wildy accepted that it became the fanon personality of Adam, a guy just there for the paycheck, other girls and that other new guy who was roommate with him at one point may flirt with him but he only cares about getting payed. And they have added a male protagonist(default gender is female but you can change genders at any time) for part 2 of the story. Another funny aspect of the Adam gonna NTR us post is that the Captain doesnt even exist in the main story. We only exist in some sort of alternative universe that is only relevant in events. Also I really hope we get a playable Siegfried and Kevin in HSR. There is already a character named Shiraga Oni with the same VA as Kevin that narrates one of the Acheron trailers.
netorare victimists everywhere. they cannot imagine the concept a female ur friend SPEAKING with another man, BREATHING THE SAME AIR, and they call it ntr. its deranged. its peak neet room recluse. bullshit. its parasocial even. also people that hate adam be like: "I HATE YOUUUUUUUU!!" Adam: "mother fucker... im literally you?"
7:53 yeah...for the people that doesnt know, turns out when we read story, its 10 years after the end of Honkai, its not really side story if you count continuation And further confirmed to be main storyline after HSR
Tbf they probably wouldn't have made owl playable, even if they made male characters playable. I mean Anna didn't become playable either, so I doubt that he would've been playable.
I was not a HI3 captain when i watched "Final Lesson" and a remember sobbing like a lil baby. Every time I watched it after I always teared up/cried. Mihoyo is a master at playing with your emotions.
I actually watched another video a while back in which a vtuber who also played HI3 was discussing the characters in HSR and literally referred to Himeko as "Chapter 9" instead of her name. Best/worst reference ever. The trauma is real.
@@THATBrokeAroSpecWallet Alive and well. As for Foca, she was never relevant nor playable. She only appeared for 5m before committing sudoku. I'm talking about grand sacrifices, like someone who was a part of the main cast for a long time suddenly dying. Genshin can't do that since it has no main cast. Although... Childe, Venti or Zhong could do the trick.
Adam wasn't really a self insert. Yes, he has dialogue options, but it is stated clearly that he has a personality of his own, minimal as it is. And just like others after him, he also has his own thoughts. Oh, and Captain isn't a self insert at all. He is an actual character with actual depth and very talkative, but you can only see him doing that in events, especially the one called Captainverse, an entire series of events equally as tragic as the main story. Because mihoyo could never leave their characters blank
@@usereh7188it's an inferiority complex of some players. By making other prominent male rivals/leads, have headcanon personality to be more worse than their own.
In my opinion, their biggest mistake with Adam was making him into a self-insert. If they bothered to make him into a full character, the hate would have been lesser.
Oh yeah Males on HI3rd EXIST The very reason i played HSR was becuased of playable Otto(Loucha) and Welt(Welt) If HI3rd 2016 did have Permanent playable Dudes than i would play it. OH BRUH the end of the vid....Would you make a vid about how AsmonSemiBald made the Normies Mald to that Firefly edit lol It reminds me of Andrew Tate and his Wierd ass Anime girl edit with him that made the internet Eithier confuse or outrage....and one of the anime girl he included was Kiana fron Mihoyo bruh
Like don't get me wrong this might come out as underrated but HI3rd male characters are much better written than some female characters. I think some of my fav female characters in HI3rd would probably be fu hua,Senti, Himeko, Elysia, Dudu and of course my baby girl Kiana
@@sumi9573 u know...I would love to have a Fu hua and Senti on HSR, IM not sure if they want them to be a separate person or choose only one, but we have haxor bunny and Ceo Bronya on HSR as a split person so. I hope for that Senti and Fu hua are the ones that gave me interest in HI3RD. I want them to pull them. Just so i can have them one last time.....But i would believe that some would know About what Kevin and otto has done to achieve thier goals, hella well written.....but yeah i need Kebin and Kalp-ass in HSR
@@Michael_Jay000 There is a character in hsr named "Marshal Hua" who is mentioned in an assignment description, so it's likely we'll get her at some point. Not sure about Senti tho.
Actually, Star rail and Genshin also have quite a lot of male haters in the community, it's just that these games also attract other demographics to balance the public opinion toward this issue, but still they are still having war everyday. To be specific, Male haters love to discredit male characters with different kind of excuses such as this guy sucked in term of META and players who love this character are dumb af, or this character is too op and it shouldn't exist.
Tbh I think this is a pretty common thing in mixed-gender games. The funniest thing I've seen is people went out their way calling other people misogynist just because these people like/love the male characters (while the male characters fanbase mostly filled with women). They really hate the idea of people liking the male characters lol.
@@day8361 Absolutely, I heard that before. Some even framed female players as misogynist in virtual yet misandrist in reality. These kind of person really obsessed in telling or controlling other communities who to hate or love. Really disgusting.
Even in the Honkai second eruption manga he feels more like the main character there. He literally is the mc everywhere except the game where he came from.
I mean, they have also catered to the female Otakus with Tears of Themis, which is a blatant dating sim with handsome male characters only. So yeah, safe to say Hoyo has a thing for EVERYONE
Ya know what I've noticed? It's Hoyoverse themselves that are actually fostering this kind of attitude from its "fans." Those people act like this cause the company itself sets unrealistic expectations for their own games. I think they should really commit to making a traditional RPG, without the whole baiting thing. Like, they've got a butt ton of money already, what do they have to lose?
even more butt-tons of money. i don’t mind tbh, i don’t play hsr because i simp for any of the characters, but i’m fine with both genders being equally sexualized ¯⧹⎽(ツ)⎽⧸¯. story’s good too and it’s great for people like me who can’t drop 60 bucks on a game they’re not even sure they’ll like
From the way some of the community reacted to the possibility of playable male characters in HI3rd, some part of me think Genshin and Star Rail was a way for that possibility to come true without being bombarded by the crazies. Surprised that Sensei from Blue Archive, which is a South Korean game, gets a whole lot of love from the community; maybe if Adam had character, he'll possibly be loved by the HI3rd community. Now we wait for the documentary of the Genshin Sumeru hellfire (Pre/Post- 3.0 release).
HI3rd community hated Adam for different reasons: CN because its perceived as an attempt of Mihoyo of reemplace the Captain as the Self Insert character Global: Hate adam because: he is a male self insert, ruins the yuri fantasy
@@Ryumiow Otto never had a wife, what you talking about💀 Kallen is his big ol childhood crush (he killed her accidentally💀) whih he got ntred by Yae Sakura Also for the people who dont know, Luocha (Rakusha) is Otto's expy at his 7Sword VN era
Sorry to break this up... I'm the type uses female MC and hoard up all male characters in game + mommies( actually mommies not lolis nor kids) in team ... I guess its different for all... But seeing this I guess I won't start playing hokai impact for now
i play male mc cuz i want to feel like im actually experiencing the story as him and not feeling weird out bcs of playing girl mc, and yes i have no problem at all just wanted to experience the story
Ngl as a player it annoys me to no end knowing that these surveys are completely dominated by gooners who don't actually read the story and just want to keep the game as it was in the first two years. The devs listening so earnestly for feedback is such a sad thing to abuse. Small win but at least they gave an option to switch to a male Dreamseeker in part 2.
about that…. o7 John Honkai bro only lasted like 5 patches, though we can be optimistic here and say Spoiler character did that because male mc will be canon someday.
the fact that those type of players are also in genshin community... i remember it was around neuvillette and wriothesley banners, i was surprised when i saw some incels were mad about how there were no new female characters getting released since dehya, they were saying some stuff like "does mihoyo not want to earn a lot of money???" that was crazy 😂 they need to touch grass fr
Yeahhhh they really try to say the male-attracted audience doesn't exist. Also happens with Aether players who can't fathom the fact half of the community picks Lumine yet we get no traveler representation of her. I hate incels lol
because they make the male characters look like the most unhinged femboys why not make them actual females. Habe u seen Wanderer genderbend? Looks so good that i would
It’s always a guilty pleasure watching your videos, keep up the good work. Anyway I remember when this incident broke out and I was like: are you joking? How can you be so dramatic ( I wanted a male character in Hi3rd for a long time)
@@yhwach1 They had probably played Hoyo’s other gacha games, like Genshin, Star Rail, and Tears of Themis. When I tried playing it, I remember being so confused when I found out that Welt and Otto weren’t playable, since they’re always being talked about by the community.
@@notatallfunctional they are very important to the story and are well written characters that’s why they talk about them that much. But even then i mean dont people google the trailers and gameplay before they download a game? That would have helped lmao
Honestly I want them to add Adam to hsr, the closest we have is fire trail blazer but it doesn’t hit the same, I want to see him do his judgement cut of doom, while his skill can be his Prometheus flame slash.
This is is probably what I hate the most about the HI3rd community, the player base has been getting "hot waifus" since literally the release of the game and nobody ever complains about that. To be fair, I wont really mind that either, but the problem for me starts when Mihoyo design and releases those "mature hot versions" of characters that previously, were not sexualised in terms of physical aesthetics, like Bronya, Theresa and Griseo. I still remember when Susannah was merely an NPC in the map of Kolosten during Thus Spoke Apocalypse, and they redisgned her just to make her a new character for their thirsty community. And even tho we have great male characters of which most of them have a better background and better writing overall than most of the female cast. And no, not even lore wise makes sense for them not being playable cuz 1: Adam exist, 2: most of them can fight the honkai, damn, Kalpas even eat them. So no, there is no real reason for not having male characters besides the cringe excuse of " But the game has always have females only and males cant be valkyries and uh uh bo*bs and and" dont you ever get bored of the same content? Jesus Christ
Between the self-deluded self inserts, and the yurifanatics sending death threats over non canon depiction of straight pairings, the mihoyo fanbase is notorious for being THE most toxic and unhinged mobile game fanbase of all time.
Self-inserting is a matter of taste and ultimately harmless. It's not at all comparable to toxic behaviour and literal death threats. I've never seen an SI fan send one.
@@neutralino1905because I self-insert as adam I was banned because I advocated for adam and the yuri fan and Misandrist didn't like it I got banned from honkai sub.
@@titandarknight2698 if it's something like that then I don't think they will say did it they probably just don't like men and the Western took that as if they are Reperesnting
Sorry we don't have enough ram so we force you to be a female ( Honestly that just terrible and lazy writing like why did you added the male character if you gonna remove him a couple months then) Hopefully it's just teaser for a new appearance
Three months later in Hsr, we have absolutely no 5 star male banners expect 1 guy in 3-4 banners. These toxic CN are slowly taking over again with waifus.
I'm currently playing through the story of HI3 to know more about references in HSR, overall it's a fun game. You pretty much only use trial characters in the story, so you can completely ignore all gacha elements to get caught up with the story.
funny enough as both a chinese and a mihoyo fan, me and a lot of my friends in China never even heard.of this incident until it somehow blew up on social media outside of china first lmao.
There is a lore reason, not gonna explain but yeah we can sum it up as mihoyo was like Welt is their fav char so they just moved him to another game to be playable lol
"(HSR) has so far avoided any sort of controversy" Me: *remembering all the racist posts about Aventurine and bigot ones about Sparkle* Yeaaah, let's say that... EDIT: I SMELL ROBIN VIDEO COMING SOON 😂
All that psycho controversy was coming from the Western alphabet squad and of course it’s not mentioned here because it doesn’t fit the “China bad” narrative…
@@anneoneal3865actually catering is major source of their money... New characters + plus drip marketing = money for them so I think it's less messed up than getting threatened by players 😂
@@krazygurl5875 Pandering to gooners on one side and fujos on the other side, all the while playing dumb as to why the mainstream gaming community despises them.
The response from Chinese fans is actually a good example of how audiences can push back. I only wish the West did the same thing, because a lot of Western game developers seem to enjoy pissing off their players (i.e. Saint's Row, Last of Us 2, Spiderman 2...) Fans must use their power to punish the developers, or they'll lose that power.
Tbh the majority of the community hopes for the badass male characters to be playable. Not some muted self-insert male who has no story developments at all
oh i remember this. i am still piss of cuz bunny event was for exclusively for global servers but that too was taken from us global players and not adding the male characters due to gooners. yeah thanks to them i will never get playable kosma and make a reunion with griseo.
Fun fact @12:12 , in 7.3 they technically added another playable male character for part2 as the mc although by default, the character gender is female and i dont believe the game mentions it
This kind of stuff doesn't surprise me anymore after GFL2 tanked in CN because players were throwing a hissy fit over female characters being friends with off-screen male characters.
What if Hoyoverse add a flamboyant gay male who actively flirt with the player to implant the idea like "oh, so this is like a her gay bestfriend, he's not gonna come for my waifu". Then overtime they slowly get used with male playable in the game. We can add the rest of the male cast 💀
As a veteran honkai impact player i want to say that don't look at hi3 community/game and say it's bad because of those cn peeps, we don't like to be represented by them, we kinda lost our hope for mihoyo to listen to us as glb players Honkai impact 3 has good male characters with actually good designs, well they made part 2 of the story(it's like a whole new story) with new characters and mihoyo had to drop the most bland male/female design to be the mc just like adam, keep in mind that part 2 just came out so they have experience with making characters BUT they had to make them bland which made glb community hate it but anyway mihoyo didn't listen as usual and also didn't reveal the mc concept art i guess they don't want the community to be angry again lol
I don't know what people think about hi3's story but I can say that it's really good ( yeah don't play it if you can't take the emotional damage though ) .
So, uh, is this why Star Rail exists? To have a viable route for including Welt and whoever else while the... other fans... are quarantined back in HI3rd?
@@seraphoftheend5768sadly bigger community will always have the more unhinged ones, Genshin has like a 4 year history worth of drama scandals like the bombing or the cat and HSR also recently have been getting some bad apples too.
oh man, i forgot those scandals hahaha, the bunny girls video for global anniversary was a huge mess in CN, they have to deleted de video ASAP in the youtube channel and we in global server did no recieve any crystal compensation, just an stigma LOL
Well they probably have added Depressing storylines in their games with GGZ for example Sin Mal and Wendy and in Part 2 we now can have a playable male character in the form of Dreamseeker
Female ds Is still canon because unlike HSR or genshin you can't "choose" dreamseeker's gender until prologue is over (and prologue btw includes a rather intimate dance with senadina and female dreamseeker that can't be done by male ds because of not being playable till later)
Not mentioned in the video but the community referred Adam as "Mr. Paycheck" as a coping mechanism. The idea was that Adam only exist in the game just to collect his paycheck and is not interested with the waifus hence is bland personality.
No wonder they made them as femboy as possible. (Venti literally fooled everyone thinking he is a girl and well aether rocking that long ass braid and crop top💀💀)
Tbh, I really wished mihoyo didn't bend the knee to those otaku incels. Their hatred at the possibility of playable male characters in Honkai Impact 3rd makes feminists on Twitter look tame in comparison
Hey atleast HI3rd fans aren't as Homophobic as the HSR fans who for some god damn reason can't agree that Seele and Bronya might have a possible future together but no no no they want to ship them with other male characters who have had no whatsoever relation with the situation just cuz they hate Lesbians 😂 also technically not all HI3rd fans hate male characters it's mostly the Chinese ones and even then most hated Adam cuz he was a bland character
As someone who plays HI3rd religiosly since 2019 and considers it the best game of all time I would love male characters in HI3rd. I love that Hoyo is listening to the Honkai community but they are doing it too much imo. Honkai is still very popular in China so it's not surprising that they have a lot of influence. Heck they are also the reason that some Charakter animations were changed. Like HoT riding the dragon in her Ult (good change) or the combo atk animations for HoFi (bad change). Honkai along with GGZ is also Hoyos baby so of course Hoyo will do anything to keep this games going for years to come and if it means changing their vision so be it. I honestly like the changes they made over the years. I don't miss that "grope" feature at all and I am glad this game became more mature over the years. I feel like Hoyo is still trying to ease the players in and slowly add playable males into the game. We could play as Siegfried and Kevin in the finale of part 1 and the new MC of part 2 is a fully voiced character that can change genders (support character). As far as I remember people didn't like the part 2 MC not because you could switch genders but because we didn't know if it would be just another self-insert like in their other games. After it was confirmed that they would be in fact a fully voiced actual character everyone was pretty chill for the most part at least on GLB. So there is a chance we will get more males as support characters in the future.
the thing is, the game has always been female only playable character for 6 years (until 2022) it's a waifu game, the lore of the game literally explains why we only have female valkyries, to add a male playable character definitely isn't a great move, so i can see why the rejection, but it's new to me that they hate adam, like that should be a self insert character, you literally can name the character whatever you like, and the other character never call him adam either, i thought adam was just a code name, any sane man in waifu game would love that. so i can see why the rejection, but in no way i support CN fans, still f*cking remember what they took from us SEA and EN fans.
As someone who joined the game 5 years ago, I can acknowledge that people want a playable male character. But ofc with the main theming of the game being Valkyries, I can see why they don’t have them but it would be cool, it sucks to see so many people still fighting over this. Honestly the CN community is just too badshit insane that from a HI3 player and fan, I can say they don’t represent us.
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Theres a new layout?
I see no difference on my pc
Mhm same
I guess Welt had much more trauma than we realized. He had to break the rules of the universe and travel to another game just to be playable.
If Kevin hadn’t died, Welt could’ve taken Kevin with him
Spoiler: Everyone in Honkai Impact 3rd has a lot of trauma. There's a reason one of its nicknames in the community is "Depression Impact". Hell, I am not to proud to say I cried at the end of chapter 31 (final chapter of the elysium everlasting arc).
@@sylruneyou can blame a certain someone who loves to write WHOLESOME stories
@@jamesroad316 and HSR's Penacony story will be upbeat and wholesome, yeah? Mmmhmm.
My rebuttal: HI3 chapter 9.
But even if it's painful a lot of the time, it still makes you FEEL something. And that's the sign of great writing.
@@jamesroad316never trust shaoji
That is why welt escape to honkai star rail
He wanted to avoid any bs of the chinese lmao
thank gob its only for that game mode otherwise people will riot about their waifu paradise was defiled by a man
Tesla: TF YOU AT OLD MAN?
Welt: escaping the Chinese
Tesla: WHAT DID YOU EVEN DO
Welt: *_exist_*
@@matoiryuko9444 and he should've swapped with Himeko instead for the Luofu arc (Dan Heng is out of the question until much later)
Me: Yeah that makes so much sense!!
Also me: *Looks at Kevin*
When are you gonna go to Star Rail?
Maybe this is why Welt and Luocha (aka Otto) decided to move on to the hsr universe bcs they know it all too well that it is impossible for them to be playable
Loucha isn't Otto,he's just an expy.We're yet to meet void archives(sorry for being a spoil sport)
@@heppelhopv2 trust me if they know what VA even is they arent spoiled and if they dont know they have no idea what you mean
@@Imp3rdLordwhen you said VA the first thing that came to mind was voice actor so my mind thought they had the same voice actor lol also not much of a spoiler as I don’t know anything about the void archives
@@heppelhopv2 Not really, a Otto Expy is impossible to be born because he erased himself from all realities, Luocha is Void Archives.
@@NoitNoit-ef2yqThis never happened. Otto sacrificed only himself after he acquired the power of a false god.
I have 2100+ days on Honkai Impact 3rd and I'd say that the community is mostly divided into
1. Story and lore enjoyers
2. Gate keepers
3. Gay enjoyers
4. Men haters
5. Otto apologists
6. Genshin haters
7. Try harders
Edit : holy replies. Did i overcook?
Ironically, this sums up a lot of MMO and F2P games now....
Shame what gaming tends to become at times... I just want to play a good game w/o the drama.
Don't forget the... Room1 fandom, they are an entire new species lmao
Also YATTA enjoyers long live yatta
I'm number 5. Otto did nothing wrong. wait he didn't become playable. Otto did 1 thing wrong
Number 1 here :D
@@fireguy7728 I came for the story but since the ending was rushed in a really bad way, I didn't like it as much as everyone praised it. Ironically, I ended up joining the Yatta squad for some time since they are the chillest part of the fandom.
Honkai Star rail doing so well with their male character that some "... rich girl on weibo commissioned 18 illustrators to draw aventurine and paid for 100 trees to be planted in a desert under aventurines name + donated a peacock to a zoo and named it aventurine she also paid for 50 people to have 100 USD stellar jade packs to get aventurine" and "...she also held... an aventurine themed party and hired a cosplayer or something to be aventurine"
source: @plazynoodles tweet / 重生之我是星铁万人迷 on weibo
I'd normally say that's a concern but going that far for a single character, I can respect the dedication if a little questionable.
I love aventurine as a character, but i never ever imagine that someone will do something like that over a fiction character? That's insane..!! Well, what a dedication.
Now this is what I call a healthy obsession lol
????!??? WHAT
AVENTURINE IS MY FAVOURITE IN HSR BUT THIS IS INSANE YIKES 😭
As a member of the CN community, I can confirm that there were actually a surprisingly decent number of us who supported the idea of playable male characters in HI3.......We fought many battles but we lost the war.
Sadge 😢
also, i see a lot of english comments about how there shouldn't be male characters playable on the game and only "waifus".
it's just that the CN playerbase is bigger i guess
I'm sorry for that. The toxic voices tend to be the loudest, but the rest of us appreciate those battles you and other fought.
Don't blame yourself, weebs are on an entirely different level of insanity.
Good work soldiers, you tried o7
From a player who raged out and filed a damn report for spending on his waifu's skin, only to for Mihoyo to release a another free skin, to the CEO getting almost assassinated by someone because of the bunny girl skin, and now this
Holy damn shit, CN playerbase were really unhinged as hell in a whole new level lmfao
Bunny girls were not a skin. It was a, get this, a GLOBAL ONLY animation when the main cast danced on bunny girl outfits. When CN heard about it the situation got so bad they were reported to the CCP for catering to the global audience instead of the CN one. They also clamored to get the video removed cause bunny girl outfits depicted the main cast as hookers. Also yeah attempted murder but that happened at the end
@@hexi9595 Pretty sure CN players got 10 free pulls because CCP would not allow bunny girl song. Blame your despot government not mihoyo.
The CN playerbase IS unhinged. No past tense, cause it's still true.
Chinese degens are insane lmao
Wait till you hear how unhinged Korean gacha gamers are.
**Pats Welt on his back** You've been through some shit even outside the fourth wall-
Da Wei creating HSR was honestly peak experience and vision culminating. A game with only one gender would certainly only cater towards certain people, but with both genders, everyone can enjoy it, which means more revenue and popularity.
exactly my thoughts. case and point, i play genshin and star rail but im not really interested in honkai 3rd because I like male playable characters
It just feels so weird having the entire casts be female or male.
Part of why I don't really like Hi3rd. There's not even a male self-insert ffs, let alone actual developed male characters that's playable.
@@NopWorksexactly
@@NopWorks there is a male self insert in APHO, named adam, heck even "captain" has his own story in captainverse and both get tons of hate for no reason, HI3 fandom itself is gonna be reason of server shutdown if game ever fails to generate proper revenue because they wanted to gatekeep certain gendered characters, heck there is this whole thing about anyone not lesbian or having straight relationship having a tragic ending, they legit killed off straight ships literally
@@infamouspotato2028Yeah, I got tired of the fandom and had to leave.
Hi3 managers: "we apologize for thinking we could add male characters into the game.. here you go free stuff"
Genshin managers: "You should apologize for thinking we would increase the rewards when you review bomb us and unfollow in millions"
genshin managers : L bozo chump genshin players
The fact that Kevin and Siegfried have partially finished move sets that can be used on certain stages shows that Hoyoverse could have planned for them to be playable which is such a waste.
IKR!!!!
Yeah I feel sad even knowing that
Yeah, agreed. I honestly get the feeling they had originally considered all the male Flamechasers for inclusion. If you look at some of the trailers from the time the male Flamechasers are showcased the same as the females. And the designs and story for them were just as amazing, in my opinion. Some folks just fall into the "raging manchild" category and cant handle it, I guess. Pity, knowing Mihoyo it would have been done spectacularly.
They probably gonna put them to somewhere else and not just straight up dump them off to trash bin
Maybe just copy and upgrade it so they can use in HSR
Or copy the movesets but with different avatar (brand new character) and put it either in Genshin or ZZZ
I'm almost 100% certain those story bits were more for the _devs_ than for the players
They didn't just invest in fusion energy, but they also did a shit ton of charity such as making schools in rural area, training center, a new VA studio for China, and a lot more charity project. They did this even before the success of Genshin Impact, its because of their motto "Tech Otaku Saving the World" that Mihoyo is a very generous company
Any source?
@@ITBEurgava their Blibli video and blog post, it's in China though. If I remember, there is Reddit post that translated the blog post.
I loved that time Kevin was playable in the story
IT WAS PEAK
@@emin0411 It's been almost 2 years...
@@communistkanna IT WAS PEAK
Also Siegfried, which was pretty cool too
@@nepgeardam6807 I only played the Kevin story sadly
i feel like the main reason why hsr worked with the male characters was that it was never intended for the hi3 audience, but more for the genshin-like audience. hi3 much more likely had WAY more ML players (master love) that had a much lower tolerance for males than genshin players
+1 One of the few brains in here. Glad it's not all Twitter Kid Genshin rot.
Still, it feels that Mihoyo has been eliminating a lot of the captain (player reference) since part 1 ended, also you have to add that Global has low tolerance for males, since ruins the yuri fantasy
Tears of Themis is pretty chill despite also catering to one fanbase also, but this time female fanbase and yes, there is "groping simulator" you can touch all 4 men, and special outfits will give special groping animation iirc (i remember that yank...)
For some reason they are chill, yet HI3rd is like this
its because women and gay men are generally chiller than straight men and know not to make a mountain out of an anthill lol
Maybe because at this point ToT is like a forgotten child within the Hoyo fanbase imo
Well, smaller fandom, less toxic fans
Being a Themis fan is good we get good QoL, Rewards, AND they listen to their global audience (throwback when they considered discontinuing the JP VO but decided not to bc players showed their concerns in a civil, adult, non assassination matter)
Tbh those are grown men. When honkai was released the girls were teenagers 😬
Just give me Siegfried and Kevin in HSR and I can die happily
i can give a siegfried knife in ur stomach 😂
Ke🅱️in
my friend said if there's Siegfried expy in genshin, he's going back to play the game lol
Playable lore accurate Welt too
@@mitacestalia7532 Surely it's Grand master Varka (cope)
Nah💀 "Grope Simulator" is crazy
it's a lot more common in games with actual lewds tbh....
Mainstream getting that spank function for Azur Lane tho... wut?
it is azure lane after all where D cup boob is the new A cup
The best feature they removed sad life 😢
@@Aman_Mondalk y s
Well with the recent event Genshin also have the "Grope simulator" 😂 Cat version 😅
Sooo, the community are raging over adding a male to the game…. Huh, didn’t know what I expected…
Edit: Why did this get so many likes???
classic hi3 fandom
I mean its a waifu game like azur lane or nikke and it was this way for 4 years.
Why adding male after all this time just to attract gi player?
I thought it was like they got mad that there was no male characters... Colour me (not) surprised?
I still don't know how mihoyo deeply loves their China server that they apologize and compensate over a male character when Genshin literally makes millions and probably gets less (I haven't played the two games in months so please correct me if i'm wrong)
@@abaddon2040true, honestly
the hi3 cn community is a whole other can of worms
- sincerely, a hi3 player
Kiana 🥺
Tapeworms at that
Mhm. Really sucks that some of the larger voices in Honkai's community refuse to acknowledge the genuine issue that comes from that side of the community and outright deny it when it's brought up.
*Cough Cough, UD, Cough Cough*
@@kamanira I don't know who is UD, but talking smack about the CN is strictly prohibited It seems.
Yes, chat still censors mentioning them. Probably cuz they are afraid of both servers infighting again like they did in the Anniversary to the point of having actual impact in the game and causing such an uproar that they managed to force and imposed their will on the devs. They probably don't want that to happen again, though I think It hardly ever will happen with the same intensity (on the version that came right after the Anniversary one, a new term of agreement was issued, in which they stated they were not obligated to change in-game things as devs If they themselves did not want to (tbh, though, the cccp can still imposed their will. But at least the CN player can't anymore).
The even crazier thing is that after Adam in APHO, they doubled down in APHO 2 with Lyle, a support character that you can't directly play as but is a very present second male character in the story.
Which, honestly, Lyle sort of looks like... Aventurine... a little...
*oh no*
I mean Adam and Caelus look a bit similar you know 😂
Omg so Aventurine and Caelus are Adam and Lyle expy!
Thing with Lyle is that he showed up in previous story as a Rooster kid, different from Adam, which he may be the kid Mei saved, but it's just speculation at this point.
I too get Adventurine vibes from Lyle.
@@quantumtheabyssalwolf950yall should google the term expy and find out its meaning. These are Variants, different versions not EXPYs. An EXPY would be Raiden Mei from GGZ which is the same Raiden Mei in Hi3 but Raiden Ei in gi is not expy but a Variant a different version of Raiden Mei.
Babe, The Unhinged One just uploaded a new video.
Me: Ooh~
Lmao my thoughts exactly 🤣
I will not forgive the cn player for ruining the fact that we can play as KeBin and Kalpass
They got mad before over some skins that global had access to.
That was the point where i ended up dropping all mihoyo games cause why can players from another server dictate what happens on other servers?
@@DarkFrozenDepths Money. Look at a Pie Chart showing Earnings revenue. CN is always the Biggest Slice.
Me too my friend I still dream of playing kosma su Kevin kalpas
@@DarkFrozenDepths I think that was dropped with Genshin. For example, CN players were forced into swapping Jean, Mona and Ambers classic skins to their updated skins where as it's an alternate skin for global players.
That's the right thing why add a guy in a waifu simulator game
Correction: Captain isn't dead, he's been drifting in the Sea of Quanta aboard his own version of the _Hyperion_ . Incidentally, this is not only where the game has the only canonical still-living versions of Kallen Kaslana and Murata Himeko, but also the series of event-borne side stories where Captain gets his own canonical _wife_ in the form of Lunar Vow - Crimson Love (the grown-up version of the vampiric Theresa, Luna). It's _also_ the place where Bronie (Haxxor Bunny / Silver Wolf) came from, _and_ the game mode that tested out a concept for Mihoyo's next game, a _Stardew Valley_ / _Animal Crossing_ type of farming game. The event was called 'Captain's Ranch Tale,' and it was very well-liked. It had Captain's crew contributing in various ways, including Himeko taking care of the cows and chickens. It was both funny and heartwarming, something we sorely needed at the end of Part 1.
Aaaaahhh, Haxxor Bunny and Lunar Vow. Two of my favorite battlesuit designs in the whole game. Luna is still meta, but I still play with Haxxor Bunny in my ice team for no better reason than I adore the design. Are there better options? Yep. Don't care.
@@sylrune u and me both. Always have haxxor bunny in my ice teams.
@@brod1762I still use her to this day, lol. In some instantes, Kira and Sushang are still too slow. No matter how much more dmg and buff you have, and How much more meta you are, nothing beats easily triggered Time Fractures, stopped frames and no-switch supports.
@@turinmormegil7715 truth. Bronya (Silverwing), Bronie (HaxxorBunny), and Shigure Kira (Sugary Starburst) has been my ice team for a hot minute.
Though as of now that is supplanted by Thelema, Senadina, and Coralie. Because Thelema, just wow. Crazy DPS.
@@sylrune I haven't Gotten Silverwing Nor managed to make Kira nor Sushang work in my team, so I'll keep using Elysia, Pardo
and Bronie. And I won't pull for Thelema cuz I'm recovering and skipping (I always Skip after pulling for someone).
Yeah, Hoyo DEFINITELY realises that male characters also sells. In fact Genshin ratio of male female player isn't that big which around 55 : 45. They also know (sane) male player want to play as male characters too.
My friend even says he's willing to go back to Genshin if they release Siegfried expy. (Please be Varka)
The only reason I avoid HI3 is because it’s a waifu game, and though Adam was added, he isn’t playable until the latter part of the game
@@johannesmarcus05 lmao i had the same thoughts!
"Ooh I heard theres a male playable main character I think. Maybe it's time to start my Honkai 3rd Journey!"
3 hours in the story later: "I'm bored, no men."
@@johannesmarcus05 imo hi3 should stay as waifu games... Wan non waifu games? Juz create another game like hsr for difference audience. Devs should not change their target audience priorities on existing games.
@@eleongo🤓
@@eleongo why shouldnt they? games need the flexibility to grow and change over time rather than sticking to a rigid status quo, i used to play warframe and that game almost died and for a few years was constantly getting hate till fairly recently where they added a ton of changes that made various community factions happier.
Secondly people say that same thing but interms of studios, recently manjuu (azur lane devs) got flak because of an image that made it look like there might be playable male characters in thier new game and fanboys were whining that they should only make stuff catered to men.
This type of response has also been seen in anime too. When free! that anime about swimming had been announced, fans of the studio made an uproar that it was a manservice anime rather than the usual male catered moe blob stuff like K-on that the studio was known for. Some went as far as saying it would kill the studio.
Funny given the series success with both genders and how profitable it became.
FYI a huge number of HST (honkai starrail) Korean male players agree with this rhetoric. they're basically saying starrail should STOP producing MALE CHARACTERS in the game because it's POISONING and RUINING the game. Lots of Korean male players criticize honkai starrail for not following the footsteps of honkai 3rd players because they claim female game players are useless to the game's overall profit and game structures. No, the Korean male players don't want to kill the ceo of hoyoverse but they certainly condemn him.
I don't feel surprised at all, considering I've already heard about the Limbus and Arknights controversies in KR and how rampant sexism is in KR, to the point feminism is considered subversive by those fanatics
I remember when Korean Genshin fans were throwing a fit over Lyney 😅
@@notatallfunctional Sounds like the same fans who complained about Limbus having a woman who wears a modest vintage diving suit for its summer event
This really is horrible but the Korean gender war is fascinating to hear about
and we thought only american are ret@rded
When i started to play apho i genuinely got shocked that they really added a male char and i actually liked it . But the cn community is wild man 💀
Really cuz I remember being confused as fuck 😂 like I was like wait who is this character I am playing as?? What is his importance in the story?? Wait does he even have any voice lines or is he a self insert , so many questions came to my mind and honestly APHO is great to play however the story hasn't progressed much
@@Aman_Mondal yeah
Mr. Paycheck is great, if not for CN fan base I can't think how one could really hate him.
Specially if you consider the fact he may be the kid Mei saved from the human traffickers.
@@Aman_Mondalany self insert mf is bad. Tbh they deswrved that hate
@@silvermoonk9121He is selfinsert. A mf with no depth no voicelines nothing. Just a placeholder for you to imagine yourself in. Cringe unhinged and pathetic
the grope simulator is still available BUT I think it's only on CN and SEA servers it was only available for old characters that was available before the update was implemented so base Kiana,Bronya, Mei, Fu Hua and Himeko you can still touch them and they still react to it.
Yeah you're exactly right!
And Theresa
LET'S GOOOO
CN does not have it after 2018 (which also removed all swimsuit skins as well), while SEA and JP still has it, it's only for characters released before 2018.
Not mentionned in the video is the paycheck meme. One player had a headcannon of Adam being there just for the paycheck and that headcannon was wildy accepted that it became the fanon personality of Adam, a guy just there for the paycheck, other girls and that other new guy who was roommate with him at one point may flirt with him but he only cares about getting payed.
And they have added a male protagonist(default gender is female but you can change genders at any time) for part 2 of the story.
Another funny aspect of the Adam gonna NTR us post is that the Captain doesnt even exist in the main story. We only exist in some sort of alternative universe that is only relevant in events.
Also I really hope we get a playable Siegfried and Kevin in HSR. There is already a character named Shiraga Oni with the same VA as Kevin that narrates one of the Acheron trailers.
netorare victimists everywhere. they cannot imagine the concept a female ur friend SPEAKING with another man, BREATHING THE SAME AIR, and they call it ntr. its deranged. its peak neet room recluse. bullshit. its parasocial even.
also people that hate adam be like: "I HATE YOUUUUUUUU!!"
Adam: "mother fucker... im literally you?"
7:53 yeah...for the people that doesnt know, turns out when we read story, its 10 years after the end of Honkai, its not really side story if you count continuation
And further confirmed to be main storyline after HSR
It's 8 year after the end
@@himalkanwar77 yeah 8 10 years, close enough
To be frank, if that attempt was successful on the CEO, Hoyoverse officially would be the worst fandom tied only with KPop
Cn players took playable kevin and owl away from me.. I shall never forgive them ;-;.. those sick horrible people...
Tbf they probably wouldn't have made owl playable, even if they made male characters playable. I mean Anna didn't become playable either, so I doubt that he would've been playable.
I was not a HI3 captain when i watched "Final Lesson" and a remember sobbing like a lil baby.
Every time I watched it after I always teared up/cried.
Mihoyo is a master at playing with your emotions.
I actually watched another video a while back in which a vtuber who also played HI3 was discussing the characters in HSR and literally referred to Himeko as "Chapter 9" instead of her name. Best/worst reference ever. The trauma is real.
And then they lost their balls and will never sacrifice a relevant playable character again, go figure.
@@Soundwave1900 firefly? Focalors?
@@THATBrokeAroSpecWallet Alive and well. As for Foca, she was never relevant nor playable. She only appeared for 5m before committing sudoku. I'm talking about grand sacrifices, like someone who was a part of the main cast for a long time suddenly dying. Genshin can't do that since it has no main cast. Although... Childe, Venti or Zhong could do the trick.
@@Soundwave1900i don’t wanna spoil but Honkai Impact killed a lot more playable characters than just “Himeko”
Troubles and hoyoverse are made for each other when they keep getting into different troubles year after year, there's no end to it :)
hoyo kinda made a breaktrough on CN mobile gaming, global even
so yea ofc they will stumble some problem when paving a new path to follow
Adam wasn't really a self insert. Yes, he has dialogue options, but it is stated clearly that he has a personality of his own, minimal as it is. And just like others after him, he also has his own thoughts.
Oh, and Captain isn't a self insert at all. He is an actual character with actual depth and very talkative, but you can only see him doing that in events, especially the one called Captainverse, an entire series of events equally as tragic as the main story.
Because mihoyo could never leave their characters blank
self inserts can have personalitites
its a very broad definition
@@reedman1337 People just tend to have the pre-conception that self-insert = bland and no personality for some reason.
@@usereh7188it's an inferiority complex of some players. By making other prominent male rivals/leads, have headcanon personality to be more worse than their own.
In my opinion, their biggest mistake with Adam was making him into a self-insert. If they bothered to make him into a full character, the hate would have been lesser.
The CN fandom is the real CEO of mihoyo (well Hi3rd at least)
Also i Genshin too..
Remember the Zhongli Pathetic state and Neuv Nerf state..
Yeah Hoyo doesn't want another HI3 incident.
Oh yeah Males on HI3rd EXIST
The very reason i played HSR was becuased of playable Otto(Loucha) and Welt(Welt)
If HI3rd 2016 did have Permanent playable Dudes than i would play it.
OH BRUH the end of the vid....Would you make a vid about how AsmonSemiBald made the Normies Mald to that Firefly edit lol
It reminds me of Andrew Tate and his Wierd ass Anime girl edit with him that made the internet Eithier confuse or outrage....and one of the anime girl he included was Kiana fron Mihoyo bruh
Like don't get me wrong this might come out as underrated but HI3rd male characters are much better written than some female characters. I think some of my fav female characters in HI3rd would probably be fu hua,Senti, Himeko, Elysia, Dudu and of course my baby girl Kiana
@@sumi9573 u know...I would love to have a Fu hua and Senti on HSR, IM not sure if they want them to be a separate person or choose only one, but we have haxor bunny and Ceo Bronya on HSR as a split person so. I hope for that
Senti and Fu hua are the ones that gave me interest in HI3RD.
I want them to pull them. Just so i can have them one last time.....But i would believe that some would know About what Kevin and otto has done to achieve thier goals, hella well written.....but yeah i need Kebin and Kalp-ass in HSR
@@sumi9573particular segments of HI3rd player base “There’s writing?”
@@Michael_Jay000 There is a character in hsr named "Marshal Hua" who is mentioned in an assignment description, so it's likely we'll get her at some point. Not sure about Senti tho.
That Kiana is specifically GGZ Kiana
Actually, Star rail and Genshin also have quite a lot of male haters in the community, it's just that these games also attract other demographics to balance the public opinion toward this issue, but still they are still having war everyday. To be specific, Male haters love to discredit male characters with different kind of excuses such as this guy sucked in term of META and players who love this character are dumb af, or this character is too op and it shouldn't exist.
Tbh I think this is a pretty common thing in mixed-gender games. The funniest thing I've seen is people went out their way calling other people misogynist just because these people like/love the male characters (while the male characters fanbase mostly filled with women). They really hate the idea of people liking the male characters lol.
@@day8361 Absolutely, I heard that before. Some even framed female players as misogynist in virtual yet misandrist in reality. These kind of person really obsessed in telling or controlling other communities who to hate or love. Really disgusting.
@@cktan5369 Ah that, I think it's called the "mob mentality"? But yeah, the controlling people opinions part is too real. I despise it so much...
@@day8361 Indeed.
Ah yes, the waifu-only players. They're annoying
to me the craziest thing in this whole shenanigan is that Welt just teleported from HI3 to Star Rail and became one of the main characters
Even in the Honkai second eruption manga he feels more like the main character there.
He literally is the mc everywhere except the game where he came from.
I mean, they have also catered to the female Otakus with Tears of Themis, which is a blatant dating sim with handsome male characters only. So yeah, safe to say Hoyo has a thing for EVERYONE
Ya know what I've noticed? It's Hoyoverse themselves that are actually fostering this kind of attitude from its "fans." Those people act like this cause the company itself sets unrealistic expectations for their own games. I think they should really commit to making a traditional RPG, without the whole baiting thing. Like, they've got a butt ton of money already, what do they have to lose?
Being reported to the CN government for being too horny
even more butt-tons of money. i don’t mind tbh, i don’t play hsr because i simp for any of the characters, but i’m fine with both genders being equally sexualized ¯⧹⎽(ツ)⎽⧸¯. story’s good too and it’s great for people like me who can’t drop 60 bucks on a game they’re not even sure they’ll like
From the way some of the community reacted to the possibility of playable male characters in HI3rd, some part of me think Genshin and Star Rail was a way for that possibility to come true without being bombarded by the crazies. Surprised that Sensei from Blue Archive, which is a South Korean game, gets a whole lot of love from the community; maybe if Adam had character, he'll possibly be loved by the HI3rd community.
Now we wait for the documentary of the Genshin Sumeru hellfire (Pre/Post- 3.0 release).
HI3rd community hated Adam for different reasons: CN because its perceived as an attempt of Mihoyo of reemplace the Captain as the Self Insert character
Global: Hate adam because: he is a male self insert, ruins the yuri fantasy
@@Contreras1991 But for me Adam is not self insert bc he has appearance different form Captain why them think Adam is self insert.
This is why Otto left and joined Honkai star rail
You mean Welt?
@@crayonph7103 no Otto from HI3 the blondie who’s wife died, his basically luocha in HSR, Himeko died but is now in HSR as a different character
@@Ryumiow Otto never had a wife, what you talking about💀
Kallen is his big ol childhood crush (he killed her accidentally💀) whih he got ntred by Yae Sakura
Also for the people who dont know, Luocha (Rakusha) is Otto's expy at his 7Sword VN era
@@RyumiowLuocha is a different version of Otto. It is not the same Otto. U are refering to Void Archives who went with Welt
No ,otto died for our sins
And that is why I play Male MC in HSR. For all the male MCs that never got to be. IT IS FOR YOU, MY BROTHERS
Sorry to break this up... I'm the type uses female MC and hoard up all male characters in game + mommies( actually mommies not lolis nor kids) in team ... I guess its different for all... But seeing this I guess I won't start playing hokai impact for now
i play male mc cuz i want to feel like im actually experiencing the story as him and not feeling weird out bcs of playing girl mc, and yes i have no problem at all just wanted to experience the story
Based Princess Luna quote
Respect
I play the male MC because i like to think that he's gay for everyone(like i am) and is making moves on Argenti (like i want)
Ngl as a player it annoys me to no end knowing that these surveys are completely dominated by gooners who don't actually read the story and just want to keep the game as it was in the first two years. The devs listening so earnestly for feedback is such a sad thing to abuse. Small win but at least they gave an option to switch to a male Dreamseeker in part 2.
about that….
o7 John Honkai
bro only lasted like 5 patches, though we can be optimistic here and say Spoiler character did that because male mc will be canon someday.
the fact that those type of players are also in genshin community...
i remember it was around neuvillette and wriothesley banners, i was surprised when i saw some incels were mad about how there were no new female characters getting released since dehya, they were saying some stuff like "does mihoyo not want to earn a lot of money???" that was crazy 😂 they need to touch grass fr
people still don't seem to realize how much money comes from male characters ig
Well hopefully Arlecchino will shut them up for a while.
You will be surprised but more than incels some of these PPL are toxic lesbians who simply hate men for no reason
Yeahhhh they really try to say the male-attracted audience doesn't exist. Also happens with Aether players who can't fathom the fact half of the community picks Lumine yet we get no traveler representation of her. I hate incels lol
@@persephonehades7547
Who's they?
4:19
OH NAH
NOT THAT COMMENT
I REMEMBER THAT ONE
(It’s funny how the male characters are more enjoyed when portrayed as females tho)
So sad that according to canon material this will never happen...
because they make the male characters look like the most unhinged femboys why not make them actual females. Habe u seen Wanderer genderbend? Looks so good that i would
COUGH sa COUGGGGHHHH
@@yhwach1they do the bc the straight women love the femboys
It’s always a guilty pleasure watching your videos, keep up the good work.
Anyway I remember when this incident broke out and I was like: are you joking? How can you be so dramatic ( I wanted a male character in Hi3rd for a long time)
That's what made me leave after 2 missions from start bc it was just woman woman woman
@@fatihaydynly5500Why did u expect men in a only girls game
@@yhwach1 They had probably played Hoyo’s other gacha games, like Genshin, Star Rail, and Tears of Themis. When I tried playing it, I remember being so confused when I found out that Welt and Otto weren’t playable, since they’re always being talked about by the community.
@@notatallfunctional they are very important to the story and are well written characters that’s why they talk about them that much. But even then i mean dont people google the trailers and gameplay before they download a game? That would have helped lmao
Honkai Star Rail: "Why do I exist?"
Miyhoyo: "You exist to because our main demographic doesn't like men in their game."
They hated mr. Paycheck because he got near women, something they can never do without getting the cops called on them
Honestly I want them to add Adam to hsr, the closest we have is fire trail blazer but it doesn’t hit the same, I want to see him do his judgement cut of doom, while his skill can be his Prometheus flame slash.
Never forget what they take from us.
Playable kalpass and his cake
I'LL NEVER FORGIVE THE CHINESE!
This makes me so sad
This is is probably what I hate the most about the HI3rd community, the player base has been getting "hot waifus" since literally the release of the game and nobody ever complains about that. To be fair, I wont really mind that either, but the problem for me starts when Mihoyo design and releases those "mature hot versions" of characters that previously, were not sexualised in terms of physical aesthetics, like Bronya, Theresa and Griseo. I still remember when Susannah was merely an NPC in the map of Kolosten during Thus Spoke Apocalypse, and they redisgned her just to make her a new character for their thirsty community. And even tho we have great male characters of which most of them have a better background and better writing overall than most of the female cast. And no, not even lore wise makes sense for them not being playable cuz 1: Adam exist, 2: most of them can fight the honkai, damn, Kalpas even eat them. So no, there is no real reason for not having male characters besides the cringe excuse of " But the game has always have females only and males cant be valkyries and uh uh bo*bs and and" dont you ever get bored of the same content? Jesus Christ
Between the self-deluded self inserts, and the yurifanatics sending death threats over non canon depiction of straight pairings, the mihoyo fanbase is notorious for being THE most toxic and unhinged mobile game fanbase of all time.
Self-inserting is a matter of taste and ultimately harmless. It's not at all comparable to toxic behaviour and literal death threats. I've never seen an SI fan send one.
@@neutralino1905because I self-insert as adam I was banned because I advocated for adam and the yuri fan and Misandrist didn't like it I got banned from honkai sub.
@adaman.shr.3538 Hmm...you wouldn't happen to be theriderfan, would you?
@@adaman.shr.3538 I always wondered if Chinese men hate having male characters wouldn't it be considered "internalized misandery". ?
@@titandarknight2698 if it's something like that then I don't think they will say did it they probably just don't like men and the Western took that as if they are Reperesnting
Now they violated male character even more.
Sorry we don't have enough ram so we force you to be a female
( Honestly that just terrible and lazy writing like why did you added the male character if you gonna remove him a couple months then)
Hopefully it's just teaser for a new appearance
Dam...we could have a male playable character. I would have loved that.
I literaly checked you channel 5 minutes ago to see if you uploaded anything (damn first, nice)
Three months later in Hsr, we have absolutely no 5 star male banners expect 1 guy in 3-4 banners. These toxic CN are slowly taking over again with waifus.
A new male is coming in a few days !
I'm currently playing through the story of HI3 to know more about references in HSR, overall it's a fun game. You pretty much only use trial characters in the story, so you can completely ignore all gacha elements to get caught up with the story.
Exactly the Gacha is for the people who wish to stay in that waifus bait life but HI3rd is a gem of a game for the story cuz it was great
Never will I ever touch such Yuri garbage
Ship all the guys from HI3 to Star rail! We'll welcome them with open arms!❤
Yes!!!❤
I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THE CN PLAYERS FOR FORCING MIHOYO TO NOT ADD PLAYABLE KEVIN IN HI3RD 😭😭🙏🙏
funny enough as both a chinese and a mihoyo fan, me and a lot of my friends in China never even heard.of this incident until it somehow blew up on social media outside of china first lmao.
Of only Adam could appear in HSR and meet Welt like "Bro, you here too???". I really felt sad for the dude. I saw the potential in him.
Actually the ‘touch simulator’ thing still exists in the SEA server even if you are are a newer player(like me). Gd to see more videos of hi3!
So THAT is why we got Welt in Star Rail for apparently no reason 😂
Never in a million years could I have guessed that lol
There is a lore reason, not gonna explain
but yeah we can sum it up as mihoyo was like Welt is their fav char so they just moved him to another game to be playable lol
Dog someone recommended me this game and i was already creeped out when a character's skirt was SO short you can see her panties while WALKING 😭🙏
"(HSR) has so far avoided any sort of controversy"
Me: *remembering all the racist posts about Aventurine and bigot ones about Sparkle* Yeaaah, let's say that...
EDIT: I SMELL ROBIN VIDEO COMING SOON 😂
All that psycho controversy was coming from the Western alphabet squad and of course it’s not mentioned here because it doesn’t fit the “China bad” narrative…
Yea but I don't think they were anywhere close to hi3 and genshin in terms of controversy
ok but that's not assassination of the ceo levels of controversy
Yeah, just pointing that out since he said "any"
Let’s not forget the person who got Aven’s slave mark tattooed a couple of days ago
Something tells me that Genshin and HSR catering so much to women (& fujos) is a sign that mihoyo is getting real sick of their incel fandom lol
Not a good thing, really.
It's just the opposite side of the same nasty coin.
@@anneoneal3865actually catering is major source of their money... New characters + plus drip marketing = money for them so I think it's less messed up than getting threatened by players 😂
@@krazygurl5875 Pandering to gooners on one side and fujos on the other side, all the while playing dumb as to why the mainstream gaming community despises them.
@@anneoneal3865ehhhh we bitch way less than the incels.
DID I SAY WE? I MEANT THEY
The response from Chinese fans is actually a good example of how audiences can push back. I only wish the West did the same thing, because a lot of Western game developers seem to enjoy pissing off their players (i.e. Saint's Row, Last of Us 2, Spiderman 2...)
Fans must use their power to punish the developers, or they'll lose that power.
Tbh the majority of the community hopes for the badass male characters to be playable. Not some muted self-insert male who has no story developments at all
real. Self insert mcs should be banned
That was my impression of people's sentiment on the SEA server as well. Male characters aren't the issue. Self-insert characters are.
nah cn would for sure foam at the mouth
Damn man. I can't really understand how people can hate a character for just existing.
Genshin Impact is amazing , and the guys in star rail too~
I never played Honkai Impact so I never knew it was all like that !
oh i remember this. i am still piss of cuz bunny event was for exclusively for global servers but that too was taken from us global players and not adding the male characters due to gooners. yeah thanks to them i will never get playable kosma and make a reunion with griseo.
Fun fact @12:12 , in 7.3 they technically added another playable male character for part2 as the mc although by default, the character gender is female and i dont believe the game mentions it
This kind of stuff doesn't surprise me anymore after GFL2 tanked in CN because players were throwing a hissy fit over female characters being friends with off-screen male characters.
What if Hoyoverse add a flamboyant gay male who actively flirt with the player to implant the idea like "oh, so this is like a her gay bestfriend, he's not gonna come for my waifu". Then overtime they slowly get used with male playable in the game. We can add the rest of the male cast 💀
As a veteran honkai impact player i want to say that don't look at hi3 community/game and say it's bad because of those cn peeps, we don't like to be represented by them, we kinda lost our hope for mihoyo to listen to us as glb players
Honkai impact 3 has good male characters with actually good designs, well they made part 2 of the story(it's like a whole new story) with new characters and mihoyo had to drop the most bland male/female design to be the mc just like adam, keep in mind that part 2 just came out so they have experience with making characters BUT they had to make them bland which made glb community hate it but anyway mihoyo didn't listen as usual and also didn't reveal the mc concept art i guess they don't want the community to be angry again lol
I don't know what people think about hi3's story but I can say that it's really good ( yeah don't play it if you can't take the emotional damage though ) .
So, uh, is this why Star Rail exists? To have a viable route for including Welt and whoever else while the... other fans... are quarantined back in HI3rd?
"Quarantined" 😂. I LOL-ed and died.
The silver lining of HI3rd existence will keep most of the unhinged ones away from GI and HSR. Glass half full.
@@seraphoftheend5768sadly bigger community will always have the more unhinged ones, Genshin has like a 4 year history worth of drama scandals like the bombing or the cat and HSR also recently have been getting some bad apples too.
I'm playing star rail only because I hate Yuri and star rail like zzz and genshin don't have the garbage
CN thing with male characters is actually sad and delusional on so many levels
People are scared of being called gay for playing a type a character.
oh man, i forgot those scandals hahaha, the bunny girls video for global anniversary was a huge mess in CN, they have to deleted de video ASAP in the youtube channel and we in global server did no recieve any crystal compensation, just an stigma LOL
Well they probably have added Depressing storylines in their games with GGZ for example Sin Mal and Wendy and in Part 2 we now can have a playable male character in the form of Dreamseeker
Female ds Is still canon because unlike HSR or genshin you can't "choose" dreamseeker's gender until prologue is over (and prologue btw includes a rather intimate dance with senadina and female dreamseeker that can't be done by male ds because of not being playable till later)
Not mentioned in the video but the community referred Adam as "Mr. Paycheck" as a coping mechanism. The idea was that Adam only exist in the game just to collect his paycheck and is not interested with the waifus hence is bland personality.
He literally says it. I don't remember if it's a dialogue u trigger with Lyle or Mei, but he can answer he is just waiting for his paycheck.
0:48 Actually Hoyo donates shirts tons of money to renewable energy projects, charity and science projects... Any Og Hoyo fan knows it. :V
*CN:* "Nooo! They added Adam, a male self-insert! He's gonna NTR us! Stay away from Mei! 🤬🤬"
*Also CN:* "Seele kissing Bronya? That's totally fine. We chill, dude 😎"
Because they dont take same sex relationship as serious as hetero ones, thats why they are fine with it
I'll bet Hoyo were sweating bullets when they were designing the first male Genshin characters like Aether and Venti.
No wonder they made them as femboy as possible. (Venti literally fooled everyone thinking he is a girl and well aether rocking that long ass braid and crop top💀💀)
Tbh, I really wished mihoyo didn't bend the knee to those otaku incels. Their hatred at the possibility of playable male characters in Honkai Impact 3rd makes feminists on Twitter look tame in comparison
they don't most of the time, it's just cn holds way too much power over their money 😔
Thing is. Unlike Twitter these Incels actually buy there Product.
it's such a waste honestly, I would've 100% played the game if it wasn't a waifu simulator
Why does HI3 need male playable characters? Do you bitch about blue archive or azur lane being purely women as well?
Hey atleast HI3rd fans aren't as Homophobic as the HSR fans who for some god damn reason can't agree that Seele and Bronya might have a possible future together but no no no they want to ship them with other male characters who have had no whatsoever relation with the situation just cuz they hate Lesbians 😂 also technically not all HI3rd fans hate male characters it's mostly the Chinese ones and even then most hated Adam cuz he was a bland character
Poor hoyoverse, they just asking a question but got hated and apoligize like yall can just say no
13:02 that aged like fine wine
exactly what i thought lol
What happened?
You're debuting on my birthday! I have travel plans but if there's a vod I'll definitely watch it! Thanks for the unexpected gift! 💚
I wonder if Mujin knows about Tears of Themis
damn i liked Adam in thr story how we gonna continue post odyssey 3
As someone who plays HI3rd religiosly since 2019 and considers it the best game of all time I would love male characters in HI3rd.
I love that Hoyo is listening to the Honkai community but they are doing it too much imo. Honkai is still very popular in China so it's not surprising that they have a lot of influence. Heck they are also the reason that some Charakter animations were changed. Like HoT riding the dragon in her Ult (good change) or the combo atk animations for HoFi (bad change).
Honkai along with GGZ is also Hoyos baby so of course Hoyo will do anything to keep this games going for years to come and if it means changing their vision so be it. I honestly like the changes they made over the years. I don't miss that "grope" feature at all and I am glad this game became more mature over the years.
I feel like Hoyo is still trying to ease the players in and slowly add playable males into the game. We could play as Siegfried and Kevin in the finale of part 1 and the new MC of part 2 is a fully voiced character that can change genders (support character). As far as I remember people didn't like the part 2 MC not because you could switch genders but because we didn't know if it would be just another self-insert like in their other games. After it was confirmed that they would be in fact a fully voiced actual character everyone was pretty chill for the most part at least on GLB. So there is a chance we will get more males as support characters in the future.
" everyone was pretty chill for the most part at least on GLB" - GLB isn't the one that makes me sweat, it's the nutjobs on CN side.
@@aeso3555**new survey starts**
GLB and SEA to CN: Excuse me what the actual f-ck are you doing?
@@nn-cv9jq I remember that certain incident with Scaramouche.
@@aeso3555 ah yes, "cat incident"
If anyone who reads this didn't hear of it
Don't search it up, it's for your own good
@@nn-cv9jq i searched it up holy shit i shouldnt have 💀
the thing is, the game has always been female only playable character for 6 years (until 2022) it's a waifu game, the lore of the game literally explains why we only have female valkyries, to add a male playable character definitely isn't a great move, so i can see why the rejection, but it's new to me that they hate adam, like that should be a self insert character, you literally can name the character whatever you like, and the other character never call him adam either, i thought adam was just a code name, any sane man in waifu game would love that.
so i can see why the rejection, but in no way i support CN fans, still f*cking remember what they took from us SEA and EN fans.
mujin, you are so funny and informative at the same time, great video!
As someone who joined the game 5 years ago, I can acknowledge that people want a playable male character. But ofc with the main theming of the game being Valkyries, I can see why they don’t have them but it would be cool, it sucks to see so many people still fighting over this. Honestly the CN community is just too badshit insane that from a HI3 player and fan, I can say they don’t represent us.
You wouldn't want a male character in game with yuri vibe
Yuri vibe? That's just... gunky.
Young Dawei looks so cute.
The fact that the HI3rd community hates HSR AND GI for the males they have and anyone who wants MORE male playables to be a thing is also insane.
Watching this while playing Honkai: Star Rail made me physically stop mindnumblessly playing and just open my mouth in pure shock at 12:40 AFTER THE FACT THAT THE GAME RELEASED WITHIN A YEAR LATER OF THE SURVEY WHAT