New sailboat ENERGY SOLUTIONS - Adding the Ecoflow DELTA Power Generator to our setup
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2020
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*Seems like a good solar **Generater.Systems** . I have not had to put it to the test yet in a situation without power but it has seemed to operate fine so far.*
For most people who don't have the skills to electrically engineer their own lithium set up, these power cells are great... I don't have one and I can build my own set. Most of my friends cannot however. What the expert commentators on here, who talk about the individual componantry costs do not comment about, is the cost of hiring an electrical engineer to install the individual component pieces to make up a system to do exactly what this portable unit does in one box. Measuring. safety management, power outlets, charging, etc. I wonder what a marine electrical engineer charges for the hourly rate to install an individual component system. You can take this unit to the beach and run your induction cooker, and most likely a stereo too... Portability is the key for me, as is plug and play. Genius... Alex, you explained this unit really well, especially for those who don't have an electrical engineers background...
Excellent solution. Yes, lithium changes life on a boat. Even 100Ah like this device. I already installed 800Ah on our boat with a 50Ah back up. If I had newn the existence of this great device earlier, I would have definitely made the investment. Thanks for the video
Normally I don't pay much attention to infomercials like this but I have to hand it to you, you did a great job, and I can see myself ordering one of these in the future.
Alex, did a great job of explaining the DELTA ECO FLOW as well as all the ways it can be used. It sounds like the only way it could be better is if you had two of them. Nice video guys and very informative.
Very interesting...
You guys, do a very real presentation of the product in a real sailing world.
Thanks and keep like that.
Hi guys 😀Great video. Love seeing the way different boats tackle the issue of power. This was something new to me and very interesting. It's always nice to get a different perspective. 👍Keep it up.
Thanks Jane! Nice to hear you took something out of it :)
thanks for posting this - looks like a great option and i was wondering if someone had done this sort of device.
This is one channel that I don’t mind watching all the details about the equipment. Y’all do a great video. I loved your warning “AC is not a toy so don’t play around with electricity”. I would add “Electricity will not only kill you but it will hurt the whole time you’re dying”.
Once I found your channel (I think it was Ep 72) I wanted to start from the beginning - which is why this comment is so late. You have very good technical episodes. They are informative and very fun to watch. As a non-sailor I like learning about all the real challenges there are in cruising life. Keep up the great work. (At two videos a day I hope to catch up to you in about three weeks. I am really enjoying the channel. )
Hi Eric, so awesome to hear you enjoy our technical episodes. Hope we can share some more learnings with you in the future :)
This device is much more than just a battery and an inverter. Unlike others here I see it well priced. I have a similar 450W unit (and two 120W peak flexible solar panels). It is very good to take it with you and you can even take it to another place to get some electricity in case your charging options have a problem. And it is easy to take electricity with you when you want to have it a bit away....
Great review - thank you. I hope many other companies send stuff to you to try and review, because you do a good job of demonstrating the benefits, whilst also honestly pointing out a few things worth knowing. I will have a good look at this Ecoflow Delta 1300 as soon as your video is finished. :-)
Thanks, very glad you liked it 😊
Really great video guys. Thank you for sharing. I just bought a used sailboat for the first time and it only has normal lead acid batteries. I would love to have a system like this for the cooking because the boat has the conventional oven with an alcohol stove top style setup. I plan to leave the boat at our local lake and learn to sail it proficiently for the first season or two and then I want to progress to some coastal sailing around southern US & Caribbean. So very very useful information for me I think I'll follow suit. Where can I get your link? Would you guys ever consider coming to Charleston South Carolina? If so I'll buy you guys dinner. Thanks again. I'm just starting to watch all these videos from sailing couples and sailors to learn everything I can and I must say your videos are among the best. Keep up the good work. 😊
Our boat does not have a 12 to 220 inverter either and I was going to install one. I believe this power bank would be a much better solution for our 220 volt needs. Glad you made this presentation, thanks heaps.
Happy to hear :)
I noted that you had a plan for using it as a backup in case of a lightning strike. Brilliant! Do you have a faraday cage for it, or is it immune from the effects?
Just found you tonight, excellent couple of videos I've seen so far. Thank you...
Ooaaw thanks Stephen, that’s amazing to hear. Hope you enjoy the rest too! Welcome aboard 😉
Thank you for this very useful and informative video. Very nicely done as always :)
Very informative episode.....thanks guys.....what should we test next???? Water maker??
We have one in the boat for like a year now. Need to find the courage and time to take on the project of installing 😂
Heldere uitleg!
Slimme oplossing ook.
Thnx!!!!!
I am glad to hear it called a power station instead of a generator.
A battery bank called a generator is something I just can’t wrap my head around. To me a generator has something that generates electricity to fill the battery.
Thanks for the information
Interesting - a non integrated but mobile solution. How does the charging with the engine's alternator work? How many amps or watts are you feeding from the alternator into the Delta when charging?
Neat solution. Looks quality too.
Regrettably several comments tried to turn this into a 'mine is bigger than yours' contest. I see no intention to mislead and the presentation was obviously on the basis of "this works for us, the why and how, check it out". Nothing more nothing less. Unfortunately far too often in most forums when the discussion turns to power and / or electrical matters people avail the opportunity to demonstrate their substantial knowledge, accurate or not, to the point where the views of we mortals are so disparaged that "why bother" is the result - we all lose! Has tarnished my enjoyment of a great video.
Good job guys.
Any thoughts on using ecoflow’s 5kw Independence “power kit” to replace a sailboats electrical system? They seem to be mostly targeted towards RVs and vans.
Great video! How is the system going three years later?
Still going strong. We’ve been using it on a 12v charge from the house bank to top up for high current applications. Being gentle on the agm house bank not using an inverter directly is a good buffer
Good for you for having a company to recognize your influential power with us UA-cam watchers/consumers... ;)
I have heard good things about this product from other folks, so it is definitely going on the short list when my wife and I start our boat search in earnest.
Good to hear :) glad you got something out of the video !
Wow - great product! A must have. Good job Alex and nice touch showing off Mandy's wonderful galley foods... Cheers!
Thanks 😊
Awesome thx for sharing
You said you plug it in and fully charge , at what % was it down to , ie 70% 60% , ?
And underway you charge it from the house batteries , you then need to charge them,
And the house batteries take longer , lithium are a fast charge system, ?
Interesting, thanks!
Great video. Very I interesting.
I really like the idea but reading up on it I realise it doesn't seem to have ANY IP-classing. The manual says right off the bat that it might catch fire or explode if exposed to water. On a boat, the last thing I would want to worry about if I had a hull breach is for some device to start a chemical fire or explode.
Very good presentation Sir/Mam. 👍🙂 Much more enjoyable than listening to numbers, adding and subtracting same. 👍🙂
Good info.
Hi, I can’t find the link to EcoFlow, can you send it as if I buy one I would like you to get the commission. Thanks.
Great video as well.
Hi Alan! Thanks that’s so sweet of you. The link should be in the description. It’s
shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=1537905&u=2423928&m=97298&urllink=&afftrack=
Make sure you use the code EF-LITTLETHINGS for a 3% discount. Happy you liked the vid!
@see the little things *_ BTW, when using your Shore Power cable NEVER keep it COILED (Lay it our snake-like) as this causing an INDUCTION and you loose watts etc due to this _*
Do you have a gray water tank? If not will you install one? Would be an interessting project? Don’t you think? Something for a handy man 😉
We actually do have one! So lucky for us we don't have to put that on our very long list of boat projects 😬
This does not use LiFePo4 batteries. Which means that it very much can spontaneously ignite.
It's very important that you keep away from water. As in well above the waterline.
Cool 😎
nice solution but do you really need an electrical toothbrush on a boat?
They use like 15watts to charge and last 2 weeks on a battery. You could even do it with the led acid batteries and a cheap converter. Love my electric toothbrush! But personal preference right ;)
Interesting - thanks for that video. We're currently thinking about upgrading our system to lithium…but as you mentioned, the cost is giving us headaches 😳 I saw that you can charge the international version only with 220-240V…I imagine you're thinking about crossing the pond - do you have a 100-120V version aboard too? Oh - and another question…could you post a link to your induction cooker? Looking for one too 🙃 Thanks, Philipp (@svamae)
Thanks for asking about the induction cooker.
I was going to ask.
I look forward to the reply.
IKEA sell a small one but the website does not say how much power it uses.
Hey Philipp and Davy, it is indeed the IKEA plate. It was about 50€/$ and we bought it to use in the marina during winter. Gas bottles would have cost us the same so it was an easy choice. Now it comes in even handier. In our case it takes about 1000-1500 W depending on the size of pan and setting.
Actually you do not need to change to Lithium batteries, you just need to buy a more powerful inverter, which are not cheap, and of course increase your battery bank to have enough energy stored. Thanks for your videos.
So a quick look, The second page of the manual says ->
1. DO NOT allow the batteries to come into contact with any kind of liquid. DO NOT leave the batteries out
in the rain or near a source of moisture. DO NOT drop the batteries into water. If the Inside of a battery
comes into contact with water, chemical decomposition may occur, potentially resulting in the battery
catching on fire, and possibly leading to an explosion.
I know that manuals are written to protect the company, but anyone that has seen a lithium fire would be keen to avoid it especially on a boat just saying ....
True that, I believe that counts for every lithium battery installation. I hope no one keeps it outside 🥴
Question. Is it possible to charge the ecoflow delta with a wind turbine??
You guys see any corrosion from salt?
We store it inside just like our phones and computers, no
SHIT ..
I HAD TO BUY MINE
The way your using it will burn through the charge cycles of the battery in less than 2yrs also your getting less out of the battery plugging it in directly to the between the conversion just a heads up and after 500 charge cycles your at 80% of the battery then at 800 cycles your at 60% capacity and need to replace the battery.
Decent Li-ion will last for 8.000 cycles.
Yes lithium is expensive. The Ecoflow must be very helpful. You could plug it into your shore power cable and power the whole boat couldn't you? It is 230 volts correct? Oh i don't know if there is a built in protection mechanism for the Ecoflow for low battery state, but typically going below 10% will make the Ecoflow not last as long for you over the years. If you can keep lithium batteries between 30% and 70% then they will last 4 times as long as the manufacturer says they will last. The number of cycles. So 3000 cycles can become 12000 cycles. Do not charge the battery if the temperature is below 0C. Below freezing charging will destroy them permanently. Also you can get lithium batteries very cheaply. Ebay Europe is a great place to buy used batteries. In the US sites like Battery Hookup and others sell cheap lithium batteries all day long. Lithium Titanate is what I am switching to...my grandkids will get working batteries. 20000 normal cycles maybe 80000 if I do the 30-70 charge thing. The think is you only get 85% or so of the charge out after charging them up. So they don't discharge as efficiently as other forms of lithium batteries. No biggie when you can use the whole cell consistently without having to worry about the battery never working again.
For the same price as this device I can have over 300 amp hours (3x this device) of BMS protected lithium batteries with a marine inverter. This device is only good as a portable or backup solution (an overpriced one) but for a cruising boat it makes little sense cost wise.
Hi Guys. Thanks for sharing the content. The EcoFlow DELTA certainly looks interesting, and its all-in-one/integrated invertor approach appears to be working well for you.
A couple of things for you:
You may want to check out Will Prowse's review of the DELTA as he gives it a very good going over and lists his pros/cons.
ua-cam.com/video/xjl3s1CdYII/v-deo.html
You also may want to think about upgrading your engine's alternator. I believe you said that it was a 30Ah unit, and this is relatively low/slow. You can check out Sailing Faire Isle's video, which discusses this very issue.
ua-cam.com/video/_FVaF1AcCXk/v-deo.html
And finally, I wouldn't poo-poo a general upgrade to Lithium-Ion, based simply on cost. You may want to review the market again, as the prices are coming down all the time, and it's now common to find quality 100Ah LiFePO4 chemistry drop-in replacements for much less than €/$1,000. Given their much deeper DoD and much increase cycle life, they easily deliver better value than AGM. Obviously, you'll want to do a full review of your electrical system before doing anything rash. Still, you may want to consider what a genuine 400-600Ah domestic battery bank would mean for off-grid living.
Power and water are two things that a live-abroad cruiser can never have too much of, and if you can renewably generate and reliably store sufficient of the former, then you can make as much as you want of the latter. Anyway, have fun.
Please notice: I was not able to verify that these Akkus are LiFePO4. The seller doesn't answer the question or answer that the Akkus are 18650-Akkus (which is according to Wikipedia the form factor, not the chemical type) So: If these Akkus are not LiFePO4 you are not able to fight the fire in case they inflame themself. The chemistry will produce its own oxygen in case of a fire. And that makes them for me unacceptable on an offshore boat.
Hey Carsten, according to the manual, the cell chemistry is lithium ion, the cell type is 18650.
If you don’t want lithium on a boat for cooking, your alternative source of energy is butane/propane. We currently reap the benefits of both
@@seethelittlethings Lithium-Ion comes in many ways. For a boat, LiFePO4 is absolutely OK. BUT! It has to be LiFePO4. This kind of Lithium-ion battery does not produce its own oxygen in case of fire. All other kinds of Lithium-Ion do! For example, the AC200P from Kirron or Bluetti are LiFEPo4 and therefore absolute OK on a boat. If you have (for example) a LiCoO2 you can't fight the fire and it will burn through the hull. That makes this question so important to me. But the support does not answer.
Good video again. Good explanations. The commercials were a little over done. I try to let them run usually but I don't have black toenails (thank God) so I stopped one as well as the political ad...ekks.
Omg please tell me what they advertise for in the US!!
Sorry about the mid roll ad amount. Couldn’t change it on my mobile when publishing... gone now.
@@seethelittlethings cures for my black toe nails (not my issue thank God). Presidential election I think it was a Biden ad. I really have good toe nails I can send photos 🤓 if needed. Much positive vibe for you two. Is there a reason we don't see your toenails in the video?
Yes, they are black 🥴
Guys, just to clarify. You have a LiFePo4 battery. Rated at 105 Ah @ 12 volts or 1260W/h with a Pure sine wave inverter rated at 1.8Kw max output continuous that cost €1400.00 in its basic form and is only good for 800 cycles at 60% not rated at 80% or greater? Which your recommending as a good solution? Sorry, you probably won't answer or just restrict or comments but come on we thought better of you....
Hey guys. A victron 100ah lithium battery costs about 900€, a pure sine at about 1200w costs about 400€. This is a bulky solution with more wiring and less outlet variety. So yes, we like this autonomous extra battery, decoupled from a house bank that otherwise would need to be full lithium upgraded to handle these loads. Which would require more than one lithium battery. Up to you what to think about it
@@seethelittlethings Guys. Go to our website and look at our technical section. "lithium the facts". Quality LiFePo4 batteries are currently available at circa €670.00 per 100Ah. Including the BMS. AGM Spiral cells are available at circa €0.97 per 100 Ah .Quality full sine wave inverters are available at €240.00 for 2.5Kw peek and 2.2 Kw continuous. Both with reputable companies and equivalent or better warranties. Please guys, a lot folks look at you for guidance and a way to escape the bonds. At the very least give them some comparisons based on fact. €1400.00 could be better spent! Sail Safe Guys, Ant, Cid & the pooch crew.
We didn’t find a LifePo4 lithium battery for less than 950€ (for 100ah) in Europe. If you do, please give me a link! So for us this is a neat solution. People are still free to do their own research and not take our word for it. We clearly stated that in the video. Besides we are no experts, we are just sharing what we experience. And our experience with this product is positive :) we are truly happy with it! Just personal preference right?
@@seethelittlethings Guys we love your vids, but just think you are doing yourselves a diserviveice and those that follow you. 10 Minutes on google will find you LiFePo4 @ €650-750 per Ah including BMS from reputable companies other much bigger sailing channels have used. Read the facts on our website we took a lot of time and trouble to provide, for free. Oh and BTW Ant is a electrical engineer and a member of the IET so its qualifications and experience, over 35 years industry related. Not just personal preference that we pass on. It's fact. We are not going to comment further but perhaps, just perhaps you may want to think about what's best for your followers or those that may be influenced by you. Sail Safe Guys, Ant, Cid & the pooch crew. We will keep watching :-)
For £230 you can get a pure sine wave inverter 4000w 8000w that will power 99% of what you want on a boat, straight from your batt bank, think you said last video you have a small amp hour bank work on that with deep cell acid batts thay last yonks if you look after them, i can see free stuff is cool, but i feel your problems lie in your bank, if it works for you it works for you👍
Almost to the 6:30 minute mark before we see Mandy! editing tip for the future, put Mandy in there a lot sooner : ) btw those were some really cool wooden bowls.
Thirsty much?
@@KeithCarmichaelInFL I believe the correct term for Gene is 'simp'
i dont know why people keep calling a battery banks a power generators. they do not generate power. they store it. nothing wrong with them per say, its just a terminology misleading.