Unfortunately they are sold out now... @ 9:09 you say on DC output it used 1.8 lbs, but 32.2 lbs minus 31.4 lbs is only 0,8 lbs used. Does this mean it is 60 % more fuel efficient in DC output ? Your opinion please... Thanks for the video, now I really want one...😊
I'm watching this video in September 2024, because I'm interested in setting up a power backup system, and looking into purchasing the Ecoflow2 Delta Max to pair up with this generator. I will probably get them to primarily use the propane option and only use the gas for emergencies. Thank you for sharing this review with us.
You're better off starting with propane. Way more capacity in a tank, cheaper than gas, and it's far more shelf stable. You can easily keep one or more propane cylinders around for emergencies, where gasoline goes bad pretty fast.
Another thought: From a practical perspective, if you have the EcoFlow DP (100lbs) set up, it tends to be stationary. I would have to set it up in my basement. Then consider that the dual fuel generator needs to be set up outside or at least vented from an open garage to avoid CO poisoning. So here we go, roll the DP upstairs, etc. The cord is to short to traverse much of a distance so they need to be close. And, I don’t know if they have an outside to inside portal. That is why if I were to use this dual fuel I would get two Delta 2s, weighing less than 30 lbs each and charge one while the other is in use, as needed. At least I could easily carry one out to the garage. Similarly, at my home, which is deeply shaded by large and many trees, I could set up a portable solar panel on my vehicle, park the car and charge it. I am thinking of adding a rigid panel to the top of my Highlander, but it doesn’t seem suited for that. Lots of considerations in this relatively new world of prepping.
Good thought on 'hot swapping' the Delta 2 units for portability and convenience. You could charge one with the DC cable automatically (genny would turn on and off by itself) and then swap them out as needed. Would probably work well for a full sized fridge and a few other small electronics.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for the quick reply. I am actually planning on backing up my furnace and two refrigerators. I have the River 2 for my modem/router and River Pro for small electronics. The Delta 2 connected to the transfer switch will handle the inverter AC wattage, but the duration is limited. I could actually hook up two 12 v 100 ah batteries in series for faster charging or parallel for longer lasting charging. Or, I could alternate powering the two fridges on a 2-4 hour schedule via the manual transfer switch. (Hack for freezers: I keep cooler shocks in our freezer compartments, may be purchased via Amazon, to maintain coldness longer. Also, keeping more in freezer with only necessary openings really helps prolong cold temps).
Frustrating that the DC charge cable is so short. But a Delta Pro or any other unit could be charged on AC by plugging in almost any length heavy duty extension cord. I would use at least 12 gauge, maybe 10.
Jack….I’m shaded here too. I have a DP in my basement. I made a fake air conditioner to house my dual fuel genny. I ran the dc cord down through 1.5’ or 1.25’ ( I forget now) conduit on outside of house. I made all junctions inside conduit not catch on cord so it feeds through and out easy. I kept only the outside cage of the AC . I cut rubber mat to line for sound reduction. I The further away from the earline of those without power the better. I leave the propane tank inside the house but slide the genny in . I def have a couple co2 sensors right there too. I didn’t make a video of the build and wont show mine . Good luck
In the FWIW department... The generator that I use for my RV is also Dual Fuel. It has spent many hours running and keeping me cool in the summer, but it has never had unleaded gasoline in it. I refuse to mess with trying to keep a gasoline carburetor from gunking up when not in use. The ability to avoid that pain makes the slight loss in performance worth it. (to me) Plus, I can get propane at most/many grocery, hardware, and convenience stores which eliminates the need to go to a "gas station".
Absolutely. Tractor supply is a good place to get tanks filled too. If you get their app you can just pull up to the propane tank and they'll come out and take care of you without having to chase someone down.
Great review! This is such an elegant solution, with this unit and two propane tanks you should be good to go for quite a while and have time to fill up the the spare tank when it's empty!
I agree! 20 charges with 2 propane tanks (on the Delta Max). If you only used 1 to 2 cycles per day to run your fridge and basic electronics you could last over a week without issues. Now supplement in some solar panels with the generator and you'd be golden!
Excellent video and very detailed, you answered so many of my questions about this product! Thanks for taking the time to make this video, you put a lot of effort into it.
Great video as always! A couple questions though: How long did it take to charge up the power stations? And you're able to use this as a normal generator correct? (Using the the AC outlet to power anything under the Wattage limits)
It can put out 1500 to 1600 watts on propane, and about 1800 watts using gasoline. That will charge the Delta 2 in less than 1 hour and the Delta 2 Max in about 2 hours. The Delta Pro would take longer. You can also use the generator as a normal generator if you want by using the AC plugs on the front.
The real question is whether it will hold up over time/hours. If you buy a Honda or Yamaha you know it will still be working in a decade if you take reasonable care of it. I wouldn't be as confident this will still be working after 1,000 hours of use. On the other hand, propane is a great idea because it can be stored relatively safely in a shed for years. Storing and maintaining gasoline for a gasoline generator is a hassle.
Great video Jason, as always. For me there really aren't any negatives I can think of for the generator if used to only charge the delta max and pro. Otherwise it falls short on my needs and how I use my two Honda's. During the freeze in Texas I had no power for the week so I was able to charge both my delta max and jackeries faster with two Honda generators hooked in parallel. Also my generator in my Class B would not start in one of the hottest seasons we had this year. Luckily both my Honda's in parallel Hooked up to my 30 amp RV plug had enough oomph to get the A/C going. A feature I do not care about the Ecoflow is that you have to use apps and wifi. Do you know how to operate them without wifi if you are off grid? Otherwise the eco flow generator is pretty spectacular in it self. Again great job on your presentations. Love the kids playing in the yard.
Thank you for making the video! I appreciate the time and effort you put in!! Echoing comments from others… Generators are seldom in high demand when it’s bright and sunny out. I had to start my generator this weekend due power loss in a michigan snow storm ( 10 inches of snow and 5 degrees). How is the IP rating for this generator? Is there an add on to extend the exhaust port so this unit can run inside a garage or basement and vented outside? Is there a shroud or enclosure available to protect against wind, rain, snow? EcoFlow made a nice effort on this first generation generator for sunny days… hoping generation 2 is more rugged to address crappy weather conditions and convenience (running inside an environment).
Pretty interesting idea for a home back would be: delta pro, the smart generator, smart home panel, and solar panels. Five independent sources of power if you include the grid in one ecosystem. Wonder how well it would all actually work together.
Jason, as always you bring the data. The data you provided at the 14:53 mark of your presentation comparing cost of propane and gasoline to grid provided electricity was extremely informative. The feature of this generator outputting DC power to charge DC batteries I was not aware of as a thought it was a pure sign wave AC charging output only generator. Good for EcoFlow to make DC to DC charging the primary plan when charging batteries as converting energy always loses efficiency. People who prepare understand there are going to be bad weather days and this device offers a very good plan B to the bad weather days that must be anticipated. The storage and shelf life of propane vs. gasoline is a serious consideration. The data communication between the EcoFlow generator and EcoFlow batteries as well as the APP between these two devises is very well thought out. Going out in the rain or snow to start a generator or monitor a generator is a task the cell phone APP prevents. I'm going to listen to your presentation a second time as I would like to learn the length of the DC-to-DC charging data transferring cable. Thank you for providing this information.
The length of the DC cable is around 16 feet, I don't think I mentioned it in the video. I put that cost data in there to make sure people are aware grid power is always the most affordable option, BUT if the power is out and solar isn't around gasoline and propane are great options. I will tell you though, now that I have seen a propane generator first hand, I won't use gasoline unless I absolutely have to!
I think I heard one bottle of propane equals 20kw! Cool video, really enjoyed it as Ive wondered about the general efficiency of a dual fuel inverter generator I have
Thanks for the pro tip on the magnetic dipstick. It would have never occurred to me, especially with aluminum. But the rare earth magnet on the dipstick did pull out a fine grind of metal along with some noticeable flakes.
Great vid! I just bought the Eco dual fuel gennie and am deciding on which power station to pick up, the Max + extra battery or the Pro. Keep up the great vids!
Ecoflow will be coming out with a new Delta 2 Max soon, I'd wait to see that one first before buying. It will have LFP batteries so quite the upgrade over the original Delta Max.
This is informative and helpful, but there seems to be a mistake in your captions when you weigh the propane after your DC to DC test. The caption that flashes on the screen shows the starting weight at 32.2 pounds instead of 33.2, which would make a difference of 0.8 pounds, not the 1.8 listed. This won't throw anyone off if they were paying close attention earlier and have a good memory for numbers, but did confuse me while I tried to decide whether to trust the voiceover or the numbers I was seeing on the screen.
Great review. This is the 1st time I bump into one of your videos. If you have reviewed other comparable inverter generators like Yamaha, Ryobi, Honda, Firman, Predator, etc. Can you create a comparison table and do a video about your findings?
1.6 kW is around the continuous needs of a standard American home I think. So the gas/prop generator would be running almost all the time. This is great for camp sites, tailgates, boats, work sights, etc. You could deploy the battery putting it in use and then chose to deploy the generator when you realize its running out. They need to make a larger generator on two wheels with auto turn-on support to keep filling the battery. 5 kW to 7 kW could get fill that battery while keeping up with the demands of a house and charge. Run 1/4 of the time.
It would not be smart to run your normal household 'load' during a power outage. You run critical loads and keep the power usage to a minimum, not host a party for the whole neighborhood. Keep some lights powered, run your fridges, keep the internet modem powered on for communication. Nothing fancy.
So I bought myself one of these but there is one big issue I have noticed with it. When you are using the automatic start when the battery gets below lets say 10% its starts the generator right. But when this happens the generator will start and immediately run wide open. There is no way that this is good for a generator to run wide open just after starting and its a cold engine. It would be like starting your car and immediately getting onto a freeway and doing 120+. I believe they need to do and update where if its connected to a battery and is doing a auto start its will have a warm up period before putting a load onto it. Maybe add a section that you can select your warm up time you desire. But anyway yeah I don't feel like this will be good long term for this generator and it might need big repairs due to this if you use that feature in colder places. I'm going to be using this in Glamis mostly where it can get to low 40s high 30s. Might just have to manually start it at night and then during the day it can use the auto start feature when its in the 70 degree range.
i can see this being useful if you are already in the ecoflow eco system and are off grid with clowdy days and need power, but it would have to be in a location that would be tollerant of having a loud gas genny running. when i first saw this, i was like why are you reviewing a gas genny on a solar channel, but later in the video it kinda makes sense with the integration of their solar generators. also the 0.2lbs of propain at least some of it can be from the cold start, having never been primed to run on propain before, but it at least shows that there is some effency running direct DC vs AC conversions. i dont have a gas genny at my current place, but i did in previous locations where storms would take out the power for days, out apartments dont let us keep any flamible fuels on the property. ie gasoline/propain/charcoal. and we have no cng either. only electric. hope you have a happy thanksgiving.
I agree PM, if grid power is consistent where someone is living, I don't see a need for something like this. It does make sense for people who have constant power outages or who are completely off-grid. It also works best with the EcoFlow ecosystem so someone with another product line wouldn't see quite the benefits (app connectivity and DC to DC charging, auto start and stop). I learned a lot from this video since this was my first propane genny I have ever used. Propane is definitely the way to go with generators if they are permitted in your location. (for you, that's not the case). Happy Thanksgiving PM! ( I might do a late night live stream Friday)
How can you compare the AC output with the DC input. Also it is not a reserve that made it last so long but only the inaccuracy of the fuel gauge on the generator fuel gauge. Come on please. Also, trying to find ethanol free gas is next to impossible in a lot of places.
I have the Ecoflow batteries in my storeroom at the rear of my house,would like to purchase this generator to top up batteries so doesn't have to be mobile,will be using LPG gas. So my two questions are. Is it possible to get an exhaust extension pipe to go through the wall,and can it run off Natural gas supply? Cheers for good review .
I recently had 6 days of very little sun in the middle of Texas. Looks like I’m going to need a generator to power my generator 🤣 seriously love my EcoFlow delta pro though. Thank you for this great demo 👍👍
I'm pretty high elevation @4600 ft above sea level. It's mixed results. Sometimes it auto starts and sometimes it doesn't auto start on propane. It will always start on the first pull with the pull start though.
Strange that in all of the UA-cam review of this generator, the generator do not start itself with the electric start on propane... Did you figure out why or did Ecoflow provided you the solution?
I'm high elevation so the autostart on propare wasn't working all the time. It starts on the first pull though so maybe it just needs a little more cranking speed? Hard to tell since I'm at 4700ft above sea level.
That generator and a pro would be perfect. batteries alone, no mater the capacity will run out eventually. A generator alone will need to run even when power is not needed.
This is the second review for the dual fuel, where the smart generator won't auto start on propane... wish you would have addressed this issue further. This could be a big issue for those who buy the unit expecting it to auto start on propane. It feels like you brushed this under the rug in order to not upset Ecoflow. If it actually started later automatically, it should have been shown.
Thanks for bringing that up, that was the first start for the generator ever, it started on propane later automatically. It also started just fine off gasoline. I would have mentioned it in the video if it was an issue.
New Subscriber needing some advice Please! In June we are doing a two month trip sleeping in our Suburban in Canada’s backcountry. I just ordered a Vevor 12V, 53qt dual zone car fridge and a Acopower 100W 12V monocrystalline solar panel that will installed on top of our Suburban. That’s all the room for solar panels because of the two thule roof cargo boxes. The power unite I just ordered is a Bluetti EB55. Will this be enough solar for it keep up running that fridge?(nothing else). If not would you use a AC inverter plugged into my cigarette plug into the Bluetti (we do drive a lot on our trips) or should I also add a narrow flexible solar panel (say 50watt) on one my cargo boxes? Problem is I hear nothing but bad about those. Thank for any insight or ideas!
Can you charge the power bank with Solar and keep the generator plugged in, to auto start when there no sunlight and the power bank is low? Basically hands off back up power?
Yes, if you have the generator connected via the DC cable and the power station gets to a set low percentage, you can have the smart generator automatically turn on to charge the battery. Say you set it to 20%, if you weren't getting enough solar to charge it up and the battery dropped to 20% the smart genny would start up and start charging.
I really appreciate your thoroughness, expository clarity and video work. I have a Delta 2 with a 100 ah LiFePO4 backup battery for my gas furnace with an EZ Generator Switch (works great, but needs to be set up on floating neutral) and I will be adding a Reliance 306A manual transfer switch for six additional circuits, using them judiciously-depending on priorities. I may add a 12-24 DC converter to better keep up with charging of the Delta 2 during a grid failure. Any thought here? Also, I am considering a backup propane generator, but have not yet decided on a product. This review is helpful in my decision making. I am curious how the EcoFlow would start if left sheltered outside in Wisconsin winters, and weather it could be hooked up to an input port on the outside of the house to the transfer switch. The sound level is not as quiet as the Champion dual fuel models (53 db at 23’) and I would like to be as stealth as possible with regard to emergency preparedness. Again, your reviews are great!
Hey Jack, you are putting together an awesome setup! I think you will really enjoy the 6 circuit transfer switch once you get that installed. The 12v to 24v booster will help you get power into the Delta 2 a little faster from that 100ah battery. Sounds like you are on the right path to being more power independent! Just FYI, the Delta 2 will support the this smart generator in the future, but it only has one expansion port so to DC charge you'd have to disconnect the extra battery if you had one. If you decide to go with any generator, I'd recommend sticking to propane as it's cleaner, cost effective, and much safer/longer to store than gasoline!
@@jacksherman7445 12v to 36volt will get you more power: check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/dTTneUtz4Jk/v-deo.html I have a 12v to 24v in the video description as well.
@@Jasonoid I did go with the ALP propane generator, works adequately. I purchased a D2 Max last month during the Black Friday sale and with two 12v 100 ah batteries I am able to input each via the EcoFlow XT60i connectors and get about 350 watts input. This really adds usable capacity. I have been using the D2s when camping and really like their size and capacity. The D2 Max will stay in the basement, unless there is SERIOUS reason to move it. I did set up the 6 circuit transfer switch with an inside connection to the Deltas and an outside one for the ALP or other generator as needed. Thanks for the great suggestions.
Any of these power stations can charge by the AC output of a generator. You just connect the power stations AC charging cable to the generator. However, the benefit of the Ecoflow smart generator is the fact it puts out high DC power to charge more efficiently. It also connects to the Ecoflow units so it can communicate and turn on and off automatically. A regular generator doesn't have the DC output or smart capabilities.
I may have missed this, but how long did it take to recharge the unit using propane? Thanks for an excellent demo. I have two DP units and the HUB. Now looking at alternate ways to recharge the Pro. I like solar but the speed is questionable for me. May take the generator route.
it charged at 1400 to 1500 watts with propane, but I'm at high elevation (4500 ft above sea level). You'll see closer to 1600 watts if you live lower in altitude. The DeltaPro units have 3600 watt hours of capacity meaning the generator would have to run for 4.5 hours to fully charge them.
Hobtech did a review on this Ecoflow generator and on propane he could get the engine to start in auto start mode you couldnt either. I wonder if there is a bug in the system in the propane mode?
That was the first time the generator was ever started so it did struggle to prime. It successfully auto started after that on propane. I should have shown that in the video!
The generator puts out AC power and DC power (around 48volts). In order to charge your 12v 100ah batteries you'll need to connect a battery charger to the AC outlet. A charger like this would work well. amzn.to/3MuMnai
Thanks for your video. I feel there is not much value buying this dual fuel generator. Only 1800 w, kind of noisy and you have to change oil often, etc. I think the Westinghouse iGen 4500 DF seems a better choice, eventhough I already have the Delta Pro. Is the ecoflow dual fuel really the best choice? I would like to know what are your thoughts.Thanks.
This has a few cool features (the auto start and smart app). They might not be worth it, each person has a different use case. This genny is pretty large vs my other 2000w genny, it's also very expensive.
@@Jasonoidi called customer service today and they said you can add 1 expansion pack to charge since there are two ports - 1 for the generator dc cable and one to the expansion pack . 👍
Forgot to ask about the dc to dc cable. Does it work with any power station or only Ecoflow units? I know I can use the ac to charge any of them. But wondering if the dc to dc cable is for ecoflow only units like the ecoflow pro. I am guessing it is due to the communication to automatically turn on at preset power levels.
Very cool. Yeah you can get one for less money, but being able to automatically charge back up is pretty convenient. I've got a Bluetti AC 200 max with two B230 batteries. It would take 15 hours to charge from 0 with my champion 2500 dual fuel. My current plan is to flip the transfer switch to the grid when the batteries get low. If the grid is down, unplug the Bluetti and use the inverter generator and wait for the sun to charge the batteries back up.
One other thought so you can get your batteries charged faster, you should look into getting another Bluetti T500 wall charging brick so you can dual charge from your generator / grid power if needed. Instead of getting just 460 watts input, you can get about 900 watts and it will double your wall charging speeds. You could also find an AC / DC converter that puts out 60 volts / 10 amps and it would also plug into the MPPT charging port. Whichever is cheaper I suppose. Lots of options :)
@@Jasonoid Yeah, I've thought of that. 6 KW hours of battery doesn't last long running the central heat all night. I'll be down to around 15% when I leave at 5:00 in the morning. I've learned a lot, I'll probably step up to a bigger system next year and maybe sell or give my setup away to someone with a cabin or a trailer.
10% more efficient than using AC to charge the DC batteries, but it is not 10% more efficient at providing power to the house because it still needs to be converted to AC somehow.
But at least you aren't going from DC to AC, then from DC back to AC again... The less conversions in the entire process means the more power you save.
@@Jasonoid yes, i'm saying that if you're just using this as a generator, it is no more or less efficient than any other generator(at least not because of the DC connection) Assuming a second competitor has the same engine and AC inverter. Probably more efficient to use the inverter on the generator than on the battery, assuming its within the efficient load range. Under the efficient load range it would probably be better to charge the battery internitently.
Today it was 100% cloudy and my batteries hit 0% by 4pm, I had to swap back to grid power. If grid power wasn't available, my only option would be running a generator. Solar isn't a complete solution so it's good to have backup options just in case.
Obviously a standard inverter generator is going to be cheaper but honestly if this generator is dc to dc connected then having the ability to charge under bad conditions is a great option! I think your numbers were spot on and great comparisons. Also alot of people don't know that eceflow powerstaions should NOT be charged with non inverter generators. That dc and ac charging comparison is great to see!
I bought the pulsar and it only ran for 4 hours and died technical support and myself cannot get it started again I only ran it on propane. I have saved and collected things for 6 years for this time of my life to be fully independent and off-grid. My only income is disability, but I scraped and I saved everything. So then I went to the Eco Flow dual generator I only run it on propane and it is fantastic. I have the ecoflow : River 2 Delta 2 Delta Max Wave two 110 foldable solar panel 160 foldable solar panel And now the duel generator My favorite solar panel of all is the all powers 200 w I just get tired of trying to chase the Sun. I live full time in the mountains in Montana in my sprinter. The only negative I can find is that The cord from the batteries to the generator is way too short. As I have my generator outside of my sprinter and have to run the cords through the window to the battery. The cord from the generator to the propane tank is way too short. I would like the generator away from the propane a little farther. Out here in Montana wilderness I have no Wi-Fi
Just picked up the Delta 2 with the 220W solar panel. I recently came across that the generator exists. Seems like a great backup for being entirely off the grid. Thank you for your most excellent review.
Just had one delivered along with 2 delta pro power stations with the link cable for 240v! Your evaluation was excellent! Thanks! I did lots of research before I took the plunge! After seeing this video....I made the right choice! I also purchased 400w solar panels and 400w wind turbine! Wanted to cover all the bases! Just waiting on a couple of cables and I'm set! Working on purchasing 2 delta pro add on batteries! Thanks again for an extremely informative video! Happy New Year to all! 😊
For a home backup generator I have the Westinghouse WGen9500DF Dual Fuel Portable Generator and only run it on propane (100# vertical or horizontal capable propane tank) with the Generlink added to the electrical panel to charge the panel instead of running multiple extension cords. Great video as always, Thanks
I'm looking into dual fuel generators as hurricane season in Florida is upon us and I have to keep the house cool for my elderly parents. Would you recommend the Westinghouse? Has it been reliable on propane?
Just a comment on those exchange tanks. You are better to get them refilled and not exchange them. I have found that the exchange tanks are not as full as if you would go to a propane bulk place and have them refilled.
Thanks for the tip Kevin! I usually pick out the newest tank I can find, then I end up refilling it afterwards at a local Propane place. The exchange tanks are cheaper to buy up front than standard empty tanks.
Great job.. I prefer gasoline, for its simplicity, but the dual fuel option is a game changer.. having either option is awesome.. my micro MH has 2 x 20 propanes, and having that option out of my grill output hose is nice.. I also wonder about having external gas tank of generator such as the external tanks we use on the Hondas.. Im sure it could be done. but the auto start, DC charging, and features of this generator look very attractive as a replacement for the Honda 2000, as well as the companion for the EPD.. nice work.. subscribed.. PS, I am not sure But I think there is a length limitation on the DC charge cord? I would like to see a longer option for that to let the Pro sit inside, and move the genny away.. thoughts?
The length of the DC cable is limited due to high amperage and voltage drop if it was longer. It's 15 feet long so it's not too short. I love having both fuel options, I have been converted over to Propane! Haha
Excellent test! You should do a follow up charge test on gas, you could charge 0% to 80% to make sure the battery is charging at full rate (charge current drops off above about 80%) and then see how many times overall % you can charge on a full tank of fuel. You can program the battery to stop the generator at 80% charge too, which is super convenient.
clear and concise explanation. You're a gifted teacher, Jason. Happy New Year! I have the Delta Pro and would like to add this generator to my lineup. Blessings.
It's crazy how an everyday consumer can buy a redundant plug and play power system now. If you want to use solar to charge the Delta pro, that takes a little more knowledge but redundant power system used to be a cool hospital, military, bunker thing only talked about in movies. Can't wait to see this in 10 years as this gets more popular.
@Jasonoid , 1.If you have the gasoline tank full and propane connected, which one would run first? Is there a switch? Would it automatically switch if one fuel source is depletead? 2. If the generator is on stand-by, waiting to recharge a Delta Pro, how long would its battery last? Would it have to automatically turn on to recharge its battery, if not triggered by the Dekta Pro? Would you have to remotely start it with the app, if monitored through wifi? Thank you for your review, very informative.
1) If you have the fuel switch turned on, it will run on gasoline. Propane doesn't need the fuel switch open. 2) It's quite a large battery inside in the generator so I'm guessing it would last a long time without running. It doesn't turn on automatically to charge the internal battery. You can start the generator multiple ways, the pull start, the wifi app, or automatic start settings from the Delta series.
Use propane. Less engine wear and engines last longer. When you change the oil, the old oil looks almost as clean as the new oil, therefore less wear, and less carbon deposits left over in the engine, also less clogging up of the muffler/spark arrestor. I have a duel fuel generator and it is always ran on propane.
I like the dual fuel and smart features of ecoflow generator but in my opinion it's a little underpowered at 1600 and 1800 watts especially at there price point i wish it was at least 2500 or more watts so you can charge at faster rates on larger battery systems that would make it more cost effective so in my opinion it's a little underpowered it would have been a great idea if it was more powerful.
Great review again love the videos. To the question of the advantages of dual fuel or gas vs propane for me is , I have a Honda EU 2200 with the hutch mountain tri-fuel kit. Which does gas, propane, and natural gas. How I use it for when we ride side by side for 3-4 days is I power the camp sight for charging batteries, coffee maker tools, water pump etc and the portable a/c the reason why I installed the tri-fuel kit is for during the day I use gas because when it runs out of fuel I can just fill it up easily. But at night I use a 40lb tank of propane for the smell of fumes at night when were at camp but mostly because when it runs the portable a/c during the night I don’t have to worry about waking up in the middle of the night to add gasoline because it ran out gasoline vs with propane I don’t have that issue it runs constantly threw the night. I run it 6-7hrs per night for 3 nights with the 40lbs tank of propane but have never stayed more than 3 nights to see how far I can last with that 40lbs tank.
You provided a lot of good information in the video, thank you.The fuel usage and cost comparison is nice to see. I bought the Ecoflow gas generator from Costco before the dual fuel generator came out. I will get the dual fuel generator the next time it goes on sale. I prefer propane over gas for all the reasons you mention here and if the reason I'm using my Delta Pro to power tha house is due to a large power outage then gas may be hard or impossible to find. Also propane can provide several unattended charge cycles of the Delta Pro whereas gasoline would require refueling between Delta Pro charges.
Do you have the length on the DC to DC cord. I have the Delta Pro for my RV and am looking at the placement possibilities for both if I go with the "smart gen". I can't find it listed anywhere. TY - Al
There are a few propane refill stations located around me but you always have to tell someone at the register you want to refill a propane bottle, then you have to wait for an employee to be available, then you have to both walk out to the large propane tank and have the employee fill it up, once it's done you walk back inside the store and have pay them for the total amount of the propane. The propane bottles also sit outside where I feel someone could just walk away with it. It's just a lengthy process waiting around for someone to be available to help (it's like the least important thing for them at the store LOL).
Have you seen those cool DIY generator sheds that are insulated so that they dampen the noise of the generator? There's a bunch of videos about them on UA-cam. Fun easy project to accomplish what you are looking for.
This is interesting!!.... So.... 1 gallon of propane weighs 4.11 lb. Here in my area as of today, propane is $3.80 / gallon (plus tax)..... Doing all the math (and I may be a little off.....) It costed you about $1.00 to $1.20 to charge your Delta Max from your smart generator. Basically, it costed you bubble-gum money to charge your Delta Max using propane.... NICE!
Thank you for this. I LOVE the integration but is it worth it? I have a Champion Dual Fuel 3400 Inverter that I want to use to charge my future EcoFlow Delta Pro :-) Hopefully soon when the newer model comes out.
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@ 9:09 you say on DC output it used 1.8 lbs, but 32.2 lbs minus 31.4 lbs is only 0,8 lbs used. Does this mean it is 60 % more fuel efficient in DC output ? Your opinion please...
Thanks for the video, now I really want one...😊
I'm watching this video in September 2024, because I'm interested in setting up a power backup system, and looking into purchasing the Ecoflow2 Delta Max to pair up with this generator. I will probably get them to primarily use the propane option and only use the gas for emergencies. Thank you for sharing this review with us.
This is a pretty good proposition by Ecoflow. This actually makes sense. If ever I run out of gasoline I can switch to propane and still have power.
You're better off starting with propane. Way more capacity in a tank, cheaper than gas, and it's far more shelf stable. You can easily keep one or more propane cylinders around for emergencies, where gasoline goes bad pretty fast.
@@guspaz Propane will also keep you from gumming up the carburetor and other engine parts.
Another thought: From a practical perspective, if you have the EcoFlow DP (100lbs) set up, it tends to be stationary. I would have to set it up in my basement. Then consider that the dual fuel generator needs to be set up outside or at least vented from an open garage to avoid CO poisoning. So here we go, roll the DP upstairs, etc. The cord is to short to traverse much of a distance so they need to be close. And, I don’t know if they have an outside to inside portal. That is why if I were to use this dual fuel I would get two Delta 2s, weighing less than 30 lbs each and charge one while the other is in use, as needed. At least I could easily carry one out to the garage. Similarly, at my home, which is deeply shaded by large and many trees, I could set up a portable solar panel on my vehicle, park the car and charge it. I am thinking of adding a rigid panel to the top of my Highlander, but it doesn’t seem suited for that. Lots of considerations in this relatively new world of prepping.
Good thought on 'hot swapping' the Delta 2 units for portability and convenience. You could charge one with the DC cable automatically (genny would turn on and off by itself) and then swap them out as needed. Would probably work well for a full sized fridge and a few other small electronics.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for the quick reply. I am actually planning on backing up my furnace and two refrigerators. I have the River 2 for my modem/router and River Pro for small electronics. The Delta 2 connected to the transfer switch will handle the inverter AC wattage, but the duration is limited. I could actually hook up two 12 v 100 ah batteries in series for faster charging or parallel for longer lasting charging. Or, I could alternate powering the two fridges on a 2-4 hour schedule via the manual transfer switch. (Hack for freezers: I keep cooler shocks in our freezer compartments, may be purchased via Amazon, to maintain coldness longer. Also, keeping more in freezer with only necessary openings really helps prolong cold temps).
Frustrating that the DC charge cable is so short. But a Delta Pro or any other unit could be charged on AC by plugging in almost any length heavy duty extension cord. I would use at least 12 gauge, maybe 10.
@@jacksherman7445 Never heard of Cooler Shocks
Jack….I’m shaded here too. I have a DP in my basement. I made a fake air conditioner to house my dual fuel genny. I ran the dc cord down through 1.5’ or 1.25’ ( I forget now) conduit on outside of house. I made all junctions inside conduit not catch on cord so it feeds through and out easy.
I kept only the outside cage of the AC . I cut rubber mat to line for sound reduction. I
The further away from the earline of those without power the better. I leave the propane tank inside the house but slide the genny in . I def have a couple co2 sensors right there too. I didn’t make a video of the build and wont show mine . Good luck
In the FWIW department...
The generator that I use for my RV is also Dual Fuel. It has spent many hours running and keeping me cool in the summer, but it has never had unleaded gasoline in it.
I refuse to mess with trying to keep a gasoline carburetor from gunking up when not in use. The ability to avoid that pain makes the slight loss in performance worth it. (to me) Plus, I can get propane at most/many grocery, hardware, and convenience stores which eliminates the need to go to a "gas station".
Absolutely. Tractor supply is a good place to get tanks filled too. If you get their app you can just pull up to the propane tank and they'll come out and take care of you without having to chase someone down.
Excellent tip
Great review! This is such an elegant solution, with this unit and two propane tanks you should be good to go for quite a while and have time to fill up the the spare tank when it's empty!
I agree! 20 charges with 2 propane tanks (on the Delta Max). If you only used 1 to 2 cycles per day to run your fridge and basic electronics you could last over a week without issues. Now supplement in some solar panels with the generator and you'd be golden!
Excellent video and very detailed, you answered so many of my questions about this product! Thanks for taking the time to make this video, you put a lot of effort into it.
Great video as always! A couple questions though:
How long did it take to charge up the power stations?
And you're able to use this as a normal generator correct? (Using the the AC outlet to power anything under the Wattage limits)
It can put out 1500 to 1600 watts on propane, and about 1800 watts using gasoline. That will charge the Delta 2 in less than 1 hour and the Delta 2 Max in about 2 hours. The Delta Pro would take longer. You can also use the generator as a normal generator if you want by using the AC plugs on the front.
I'm very glad you can adjust the start/stop % to elongate the battery life. It's a great system, and an awesome review, Thanks!
The real question is whether it will hold up over time/hours. If you buy a Honda or Yamaha you know it will still be working in a decade if you take reasonable care of it. I wouldn't be as confident this will still be working after 1,000 hours of use. On the other hand, propane is a great idea because it can be stored relatively safely in a shed for years. Storing and maintaining gasoline for a gasoline generator is a hassle.
Great video Jason, as always. For me there really aren't any negatives I can think of for the generator if used to only charge the delta max and pro. Otherwise it falls short on my needs and how I use my two Honda's. During the freeze in Texas I had no power for the week so I was able to charge both my delta max and jackeries faster with two Honda generators hooked in parallel. Also my generator in my Class B would not start in one of the hottest seasons we had this year. Luckily both my Honda's in parallel Hooked up to my 30 amp RV plug had enough oomph to get the A/C going. A feature I do not care about the Ecoflow is that you have to use apps and wifi. Do you know how to operate them without wifi if you are off grid? Otherwise the eco flow generator is pretty spectacular in it self. Again great job on your presentations. Love the kids playing in the yard.
They also operate with Bluetooth.
Thank you for making the video! I appreciate the time and effort you put in!! Echoing comments from others… Generators are seldom in high demand when it’s bright and sunny out. I had to start my generator this weekend due power loss in a michigan snow storm ( 10 inches of snow and 5 degrees). How is the IP rating for this generator? Is there an add on to extend the exhaust port so this unit can run inside a garage or basement and vented outside? Is there a shroud or enclosure available to protect against wind, rain, snow? EcoFlow made a nice effort on this first generation generator for sunny days… hoping generation 2 is more rugged to address crappy weather conditions and convenience (running inside an environment).
Happy 🦃 Thanksgiving Jason to you and your beautiful family 🙏🏻
You as well! Happy Thanksgiving!
Pretty interesting idea for a home back would be: delta pro, the smart generator, smart home panel, and solar panels. Five independent sources of power if you include the grid in one ecosystem. Wonder how well it would all actually work together.
Jason, as always you bring the data. The data you provided at the 14:53 mark of your presentation comparing cost of propane and gasoline to grid provided electricity was extremely informative. The feature of this generator outputting DC power to charge DC batteries I was not aware of as a thought it was a pure sign wave AC charging output only generator. Good for EcoFlow to make DC to DC charging the primary plan when charging batteries as converting energy always loses efficiency. People who prepare understand there are going to be bad weather days and this device offers a very good plan B to the bad weather days that must be anticipated. The storage and shelf life of propane vs. gasoline is a serious consideration. The data communication between the EcoFlow generator and EcoFlow batteries as well as the APP between these two devises is very well thought out. Going out in the rain or snow to start a generator or monitor a generator is a task the cell phone APP prevents. I'm going to listen to your presentation a second time as I would like to learn the length of the DC-to-DC charging data transferring cable. Thank you for providing this information.
The length of the DC cable is around 16 feet, I don't think I mentioned it in the video. I put that cost data in there to make sure people are aware grid power is always the most affordable option, BUT if the power is out and solar isn't around gasoline and propane are great options. I will tell you though, now that I have seen a propane generator first hand, I won't use gasoline unless I absolutely have to!
The Smart Generator is pretty good since I can auto start it and monitor it by using the Ecoflow App.
I agree, pretty unique feature set!
You could weight the generator with a full tank, make it charge the battery and then weight it again to see how much gasoline it used.
I think I heard one bottle of propane equals 20kw! Cool video, really enjoyed it as Ive wondered about the general efficiency of a dual fuel inverter generator I have
Thanks for the pro tip on the magnetic dipstick. It would have never occurred to me, especially with aluminum. But the rare earth magnet on the dipstick did pull out a fine grind of metal along with some noticeable flakes.
I'm glad that helped! While the engine is aluminum, there are still steel components inside that can be caught by the magnet.
they make magnetic oil drain plugs for cars..
How long did it take to charge from zero to 100%
It does make the Smart Generator more capable and practical.
did you say how long hour take the charge from 0% to 100% ? its to measure the efficence of the both delta 2 1Khw and generator
How long did it take (in hours) to use the generator on gas and propane (each) to charge the solar powered generator?
Great vid! I just bought the Eco dual fuel gennie and am deciding on which power station to pick up, the Max + extra battery or the Pro. Keep up the great vids!
Ecoflow will be coming out with a new Delta 2 Max soon, I'd wait to see that one first before buying. It will have LFP batteries so quite the upgrade over the original Delta Max.
This is informative and helpful, but there seems to be a mistake in your captions when you weigh the propane after your DC to DC test. The caption that flashes on the screen shows the starting weight at 32.2 pounds instead of 33.2, which would make a difference of 0.8 pounds, not the 1.8 listed. This won't throw anyone off if they were paying close attention earlier and have a good memory for numbers, but did confuse me while I tried to decide whether to trust the voiceover or the numbers I was seeing on the screen.
Great review. This is the 1st time I bump into one of your videos. If you have reviewed other comparable inverter generators like Yamaha, Ryobi, Honda, Firman, Predator, etc. Can you create a comparison table and do a video about your findings?
Check out the channel "Johnny's weekends" on youtube. He is the gas generator king! I met up with him last year at CES 2023, he's a really cool guy!
1.6 kW is around the continuous needs of a standard American home I think. So the gas/prop generator would be running almost all the time.
This is great for camp sites, tailgates, boats, work sights, etc. You could deploy the battery putting it in use and then chose to deploy the generator when you realize its running out.
They need to make a larger generator on two wheels with auto turn-on support to keep filling the battery. 5 kW to 7 kW could get fill that battery while keeping up with the demands of a house and charge. Run 1/4 of the time.
It would not be smart to run your normal household 'load' during a power outage. You run critical loads and keep the power usage to a minimum, not host a party for the whole neighborhood. Keep some lights powered, run your fridges, keep the internet modem powered on for communication. Nothing fancy.
So I bought myself one of these but there is one big issue I have noticed with it. When you are using the automatic start when the battery gets below lets say 10% its starts the generator right. But when this happens the generator will start and immediately run wide open. There is no way that this is good for a generator to run wide open just after starting and its a cold engine. It would be like starting your car and immediately getting onto a freeway and doing 120+. I believe they need to do and update where if its connected to a battery and is doing a auto start its will have a warm up period before putting a load onto it. Maybe add a section that you can select your warm up time you desire. But anyway yeah I don't feel like this will be good long term for this generator and it might need big repairs due to this if you use that feature in colder places. I'm going to be using this in Glamis mostly where it can get to low 40s high 30s. Might just have to manually start it at night and then during the day it can use the auto start feature when its in the 70 degree range.
May I ask you don’t use the “fade to black” for each shot/angle. It makes the video hard to watch. Great content btw
I've since stopped using that editing technique in my latest videos. Thanks for the feedback.
You need to run a test while the delta max is on a load. Example. Have it running a fridge and fill up the delta and see how long can everything run.
Can I use gasoline and propane, does it switch itself over from gas to propane
Great review and learned a lot, thank you!
i can see this being useful if you are already in the ecoflow eco system and are off grid with clowdy days and need power, but it would have to be in a location that would be tollerant of having a loud gas genny running.
when i first saw this, i was like why are you reviewing a gas genny on a solar channel, but later in the video it kinda makes sense with the integration of their solar generators.
also the 0.2lbs of propain at least some of it can be from the cold start, having never been primed to run on propain before, but it at least shows that there is some effency running direct DC vs AC conversions.
i dont have a gas genny at my current place, but i did in previous locations where storms would take out the power for days, out apartments dont let us keep any flamible fuels on the property. ie gasoline/propain/charcoal. and we have no cng either. only electric.
hope you have a happy thanksgiving.
I agree PM, if grid power is consistent where someone is living, I don't see a need for something like this. It does make sense for people who have constant power outages or who are completely off-grid. It also works best with the EcoFlow ecosystem so someone with another product line wouldn't see quite the benefits (app connectivity and DC to DC charging, auto start and stop). I learned a lot from this video since this was my first propane genny I have ever used. Propane is definitely the way to go with generators if they are permitted in your location. (for you, that's not the case).
Happy Thanksgiving PM! ( I might do a late night live stream Friday)
I notice no one uses the earthing / ground wire while operation of the generators ? Why not ?
How can you compare the AC output with the DC input. Also it is not a reserve that made it last so long but only the inaccuracy of the fuel gauge on the generator fuel gauge. Come on please. Also, trying to find ethanol free gas is next to impossible in a lot of places.
I was told that the W in oil stands for winter, not weight!
I think you are correct, thanks for the heads up!
I have the Ecoflow batteries in my storeroom at the rear of my house,would like to purchase this generator to top up batteries so doesn't have to be mobile,will be using LPG gas.
So my two questions are.
Is it possible to get an exhaust extension pipe to go through the wall,and can it run off Natural gas supply?
Cheers for good review .
How does the smart generator know which to use if it's conneected to propane and gas tank is full?
With propane the 'gas gauge' doesn't work. It only works with gasoline 👍
Can you use the extra battery with this one ? Is this expelled best or is there a better one ?
I recently had 6 days of very little sun in the middle of Texas. Looks like I’m going to need a generator to power my generator 🤣 seriously love my EcoFlow delta pro though. Thank you for this great demo 👍👍
Watched another review and their generator didn't auto-start on propane either.....wonder what's up with that.
I'm pretty high elevation @4600 ft above sea level. It's mixed results. Sometimes it auto starts and sometimes it doesn't auto start on propane. It will always start on the first pull with the pull start though.
Strange that in all of the UA-cam review of this generator, the generator do not start itself with the electric start on propane... Did you figure out why or did Ecoflow provided you the solution?
I'm high elevation so the autostart on propare wasn't working all the time. It starts on the first pull though so maybe it just needs a little more cranking speed? Hard to tell since I'm at 4700ft above sea level.
@@Jasonoidthink some propane jennies need priming..little priming button on regulator and yes , high altitude adjustment..
That generator and a pro would be perfect. batteries alone, no mater the capacity will run out eventually. A generator alone will need to run even when power is not needed.
This is the second review for the dual fuel, where the smart generator won't auto start on propane... wish you would have addressed this issue further. This could be a big issue for those who buy the unit expecting it to auto start on propane. It feels like you brushed this under the rug in order to not upset Ecoflow. If it actually started later automatically, it should have been shown.
Thanks for bringing that up, that was the first start for the generator ever, it started on propane later automatically. It also started just fine off gasoline. I would have mentioned it in the video if it was an issue.
Can you use one generator to recharge two Delta Pros?
If you set the custom AC charging speed in the app to be under 1800 watts peak, you should be able to charge each Ecoflow DP at 800 watts or so.
New Subscriber needing some advice Please! In June we are doing a two month trip sleeping in our Suburban in Canada’s backcountry. I just ordered a Vevor 12V, 53qt dual zone car fridge and a Acopower 100W 12V monocrystalline solar panel that will installed on top of our Suburban. That’s all the room for solar panels because of the two thule roof cargo boxes. The power unite I just ordered is a Bluetti EB55. Will this be enough solar for it keep up running that fridge?(nothing else). If not would you use a AC inverter plugged into my cigarette plug into the Bluetti (we do drive a lot on our trips) or should I also add a narrow flexible solar panel (say 50watt) on one my cargo boxes? Problem is I hear nothing but bad about those. Thank for any insight or ideas!
Can you charge the power bank with Solar and keep the generator plugged in, to auto start when there no sunlight and the power bank is low? Basically hands off back up power?
Yes, if you have the generator connected via the DC cable and the power station gets to a set low percentage, you can have the smart generator automatically turn on to charge the battery. Say you set it to 20%, if you weren't getting enough solar to charge it up and the battery dropped to 20% the smart genny would start up and start charging.
I really appreciate your thoroughness, expository clarity and video work. I have a Delta 2 with a 100 ah LiFePO4 backup battery for my gas furnace with an EZ Generator Switch (works great, but needs to be set up on floating neutral) and I will be adding a Reliance 306A manual transfer switch for six additional circuits, using them judiciously-depending on priorities. I may add a 12-24 DC converter to better keep up with charging of the Delta 2 during a grid failure. Any thought here? Also, I am considering a backup propane generator, but have not yet decided on a product. This review is helpful in my decision making. I am curious how the EcoFlow would start if left sheltered outside in Wisconsin winters, and weather it could be hooked up to an input port on the outside of the house to the transfer switch. The sound level is not as quiet as the Champion dual fuel models (53 db at 23’) and I would like to be as stealth as possible with regard to emergency preparedness. Again, your reviews are great!
Hey Jack, you are putting together an awesome setup! I think you will really enjoy the 6 circuit transfer switch once you get that installed. The 12v to 24v booster will help you get power into the Delta 2 a little faster from that 100ah battery. Sounds like you are on the right path to being more power independent! Just FYI, the Delta 2 will support the this smart generator in the future, but it only has one expansion port so to DC charge you'd have to disconnect the extra battery if you had one. If you decide to go with any generator, I'd recommend sticking to propane as it's cleaner, cost effective, and much safer/longer to store than gasoline!
@@Jasonoid Thank you Jason. I believe you have used DC to DC converters in your videos, can you readily provide a preferred product recommendation?
@@jacksherman7445 12v to 36volt will get you more power: check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/dTTneUtz4Jk/v-deo.html
I have a 12v to 24v in the video description as well.
@@Jasonoid I did go with the ALP propane generator, works adequately. I purchased a D2 Max last month during the Black Friday sale and with two 12v 100 ah batteries I am able to input each via the EcoFlow XT60i connectors and get about 350 watts input. This really adds usable capacity. I have been using the D2s when camping and really like their size and capacity. The D2 Max will stay in the basement, unless there is SERIOUS reason to move it. I did set up the 6 circuit transfer switch with an inside connection to the Deltas and an outside one for the ALP or other generator as needed. Thanks for the great suggestions.
Ecoflow can only operate with Ecoflow products right? The Delta can be charged by the Smart Generator, but not by a Honda generator, right?
Any of these power stations can charge by the AC output of a generator. You just connect the power stations AC charging cable to the generator. However, the benefit of the Ecoflow smart generator is the fact it puts out high DC power to charge more efficiently. It also connects to the Ecoflow units so it can communicate and turn on and off automatically. A regular generator doesn't have the DC output or smart capabilities.
I may have missed this, but how long did it take to recharge the unit using propane? Thanks for an excellent demo. I have two DP units and the HUB. Now looking at alternate ways to recharge the Pro. I like solar but the speed is questionable for me. May take the generator route.
it charged at 1400 to 1500 watts with propane, but I'm at high elevation (4500 ft above sea level). You'll see closer to 1600 watts if you live lower in altitude. The DeltaPro units have 3600 watt hours of capacity meaning the generator would have to run for 4.5 hours to fully charge them.
Is there a way to run natural gas?
You'd have to bypass the internal regulator for it to work with NG. You can do something like this: ua-cam.com/video/9GMMBxrkGeo/v-deo.html
I wonder if you Can use the generator or the Delta pro battery to power equipment at the same time you are charging the Delta pro battery
Yes, it accepts charging and discharging at the same time, even while using the gas generator.
@@Jasonoid can't wait till mine gets here
Hobtech did a review on this Ecoflow generator and on propane he could get the engine to start in auto start mode you couldnt either. I wonder if there is a bug in the system in the propane mode?
That was the first time the generator was ever started so it did struggle to prime. It successfully auto started after that on propane. I should have shown that in the video!
Can I charge two Litime 100mah batteries on this unit or would have to purchase another ECOFLOW like the River Pro2 gen to connect batteries?
The generator puts out AC power and DC power (around 48volts). In order to charge your 12v 100ah batteries you'll need to connect a battery charger to the AC outlet. A charger like this would work well. amzn.to/3MuMnai
Thanks for your video.
I feel there is not much value buying this dual fuel generator. Only 1800 w, kind of noisy and you have to change oil often, etc. I think the Westinghouse iGen 4500 DF seems a better choice, eventhough I already have the Delta Pro. Is the ecoflow dual fuel really the best choice? I would like to know what are your thoughts.Thanks.
This has a few cool features (the auto start and smart app). They might not be worth it, each person has a different use case. This genny is pretty large vs my other 2000w genny, it's also very expensive.
can you have multiple delta maxs tied together for charging with the generator is in dc mode ?
I haven't tried that, I only have one delta max and no delta expansion batteries.
@@Jasonoidi called customer service today and they said you can add 1 expansion pack to charge since there are two ports - 1 for the generator dc cable and one to the expansion pack . 👍
Forgot to ask about the dc to dc cable. Does it work with any power station or only Ecoflow units? I know I can use the ac to charge any of them. But wondering if the dc to dc cable is for ecoflow only units like the ecoflow pro. I am guessing it is due to the communication to automatically turn on at preset power levels.
rewatched the video and found out you answered it at the beginning of the video.
Yeah, it's a proprietary cable for Ecoflow power stations.
Very cool. Yeah you can get one for less money, but being able to automatically charge back up is pretty convenient. I've got a Bluetti AC 200 max with two B230 batteries. It would take 15 hours to charge from 0 with my champion 2500 dual fuel. My current plan is to flip the transfer switch to the grid when the batteries get low. If the grid is down, unplug the Bluetti and use the inverter generator and wait for the sun to charge the batteries back up.
One other thought so you can get your batteries charged faster, you should look into getting another Bluetti T500 wall charging brick so you can dual charge from your generator / grid power if needed. Instead of getting just 460 watts input, you can get about 900 watts and it will double your wall charging speeds.
You could also find an AC / DC converter that puts out 60 volts / 10 amps and it would also plug into the MPPT charging port. Whichever is cheaper I suppose. Lots of options :)
@@Jasonoid Yeah, I've thought of that. 6 KW hours of battery doesn't last long running the central heat all night. I'll be down to around 15% when I leave at 5:00 in the morning. I've learned a lot, I'll probably step up to a bigger system next year and maybe sell or give my setup away to someone with a cabin or a trailer.
È possibile averlo a metano?
No wheels?
Nope, no wheels.
😎 thanks Jason🌷
:) You're welcome!
Is it loud❓
It's much more quiet than a non inverter generator, the external frame models. I showed multiple sound tests throughout the video.
10% more efficient than using AC to charge the DC batteries, but it is not 10% more efficient at providing power to the house because it still needs to be converted to AC somehow.
But at least you aren't going from DC to AC, then from DC back to AC again... The less conversions in the entire process means the more power you save.
@@Jasonoid yes, i'm saying that if you're just using this as a generator, it is no more or less efficient than any other generator(at least not because of the DC connection)
Assuming a second competitor has the same engine and AC inverter.
Probably more efficient to use the inverter on the generator than on the battery, assuming its within the efficient load range.
Under the efficient load range it would probably be better to charge the battery internitently.
It's kind of loud.
This is such a silly machine.
Get back to LFP and PV, no fossil fuel nonsense! 😜
Today it was 100% cloudy and my batteries hit 0% by 4pm, I had to swap back to grid power. If grid power wasn't available, my only option would be running a generator. Solar isn't a complete solution so it's good to have backup options just in case.
Obviously a standard inverter generator is going to be cheaper but honestly if this generator is dc to dc connected then having the ability to charge under bad conditions is a great option! I think your numbers were spot on and great comparisons. Also alot of people don't know that eceflow powerstaions should NOT be charged with non inverter generators. That dc and ac charging comparison is great to see!
im glad u said that , i didnt know that
Me too...
In the UK we have LPG cars at the garage ( gas station) where we fill up the LPG, We can also fill the LPG bottles using a special valve connector.
Our box trucks have lpg in the U.S.
Great review as always Jason! It’s so interesting to see how elevation impacts the fuel use compared to sea level. This thing is really great
Yeah, you all at sea level get more wattage, lucky! Haha
I find this video electrifying. You definitely fuelled my interest. I generated a much better understanding.
HAHA
It was actually smart of Ecoflow to do this. Kinda makes sense. If gas is not around I can use propane or both.
I have a battery powered variable speed gas can pump that makes it easy to fill mine even while running.
That's cool!
I bought the pulsar and it only ran for 4 hours and died technical support and myself cannot get it started again I only ran it on propane.
I have saved and collected things for 6 years for this time of my life to be fully independent and off-grid.
My only income is disability, but I scraped and I saved everything.
So then I went to the Eco Flow dual generator I only run it on propane and it is fantastic.
I have the ecoflow :
River 2
Delta 2
Delta Max
Wave two
110 foldable solar panel
160 foldable solar panel
And now the duel generator
My favorite solar panel of all is the all powers 200 w
I just get tired of trying to chase the Sun.
I live full time in the mountains in Montana in my sprinter.
The only negative I can find is that
The cord from the batteries to the generator is way too short.
As I have my generator outside of my sprinter and have to run the cords through the window to the battery.
The cord from the generator to the propane tank is way too short.
I would like the generator away from the propane a little farther.
Out here in Montana wilderness I have no Wi-Fi
It's cool to that this Smart Generator can be integrated and used in tandem with my Delta Pro. I am pretty happy about it.
What was the time to charge from 0-100% for each test?
Just picked up the Delta 2 with the 220W solar panel. I recently came across that the generator exists. Seems like a great backup for being entirely off the grid. Thank you for your most excellent review.
Just had one delivered along with 2 delta pro power stations with the link cable for 240v! Your evaluation was excellent! Thanks! I did lots of research before I took the plunge! After seeing this video....I made the right choice! I also purchased 400w solar panels and 400w wind turbine! Wanted to cover all the bases! Just waiting on a couple of cables and I'm set! Working on purchasing 2 delta pro add on batteries! Thanks again for an extremely informative video! Happy New Year to all! 😊
Glad the video was helpful, I find the smart app integration one of the best features!
For a home backup generator I have the Westinghouse WGen9500DF Dual Fuel Portable Generator and only run it on propane (100# vertical or horizontal capable propane tank) with the Generlink added to the electrical panel to charge the panel instead of running multiple extension cords.
Great video as always, Thanks
Sounds like a great propane generator!
I'm looking into dual fuel generators as hurricane season in Florida is upon us and I have to keep the house cool for my elderly parents. Would you recommend the Westinghouse? Has it been reliable on propane?
Just a comment on those exchange tanks. You are better to get them refilled and not exchange them. I have found that the exchange tanks are not as full as if you would go to a propane bulk place and have them refilled.
Thanks for the tip Kevin! I usually pick out the newest tank I can find, then I end up refilling it afterwards at a local Propane place. The exchange tanks are cheaper to buy up front than standard empty tanks.
Great job.. I prefer gasoline, for its simplicity, but the dual fuel option is a game changer.. having either option is awesome.. my micro MH has 2 x 20 propanes, and having that option out of my grill output hose is nice.. I also wonder about having external gas tank of generator such as the external tanks we use on the Hondas.. Im sure it could be done. but the auto start, DC charging, and features of this generator look very attractive as a replacement for the Honda 2000, as well as the companion for the EPD.. nice work.. subscribed.. PS, I am not sure But I think there is a length limitation on the DC charge cord? I would like to see a longer option for that to let the Pro sit inside, and move the genny away.. thoughts?
The length of the DC cable is limited due to high amperage and voltage drop if it was longer. It's 15 feet long so it's not too short. I love having both fuel options, I have been converted over to Propane! Haha
@@Jasonoid thank you! makes sense.. Im heading this way..
Excellent test! You should do a follow up charge test on gas, you could charge 0% to 80% to make sure the battery is charging at full rate (charge current drops off above about 80%) and then see how many times overall % you can charge on a full tank of fuel. You can program the battery to stop the generator at 80% charge too, which is super convenient.
clear and concise explanation. You're a gifted teacher, Jason. Happy New Year! I have the Delta Pro and would like to add this generator to my lineup. Blessings.
It's crazy how an everyday consumer can buy a redundant plug and play power system now. If you want to use solar to charge the Delta pro, that takes a little more knowledge but redundant power system used to be a cool hospital, military, bunker thing only talked about in movies. Can't wait to see this in 10 years as this gets more popular.
@Jasonoid ,
1.If you have the gasoline tank full and propane connected, which one would run first? Is there a switch?
Would it automatically switch if one fuel source is depletead?
2. If the generator is on stand-by, waiting to recharge a Delta Pro, how long would its battery last? Would it have to automatically turn on to recharge its battery, if not triggered by the Dekta Pro? Would you have to remotely start it with the app, if monitored through wifi?
Thank you for your review, very informative.
1) If you have the fuel switch turned on, it will run on gasoline. Propane doesn't need the fuel switch open.
2) It's quite a large battery inside in the generator so I'm guessing it would last a long time without running. It doesn't turn on automatically to charge the internal battery. You can start the generator multiple ways, the pull start, the wifi app, or automatic start settings from the Delta series.
@@Jasonoid , thank you, appreciate the response.
Do you think it would automatically switch to propane if gasoline run out?
@@GardenPadawan I don't think so, the app will let you know when the fuel is running close to empty, it's nice to have that on the app.
Use propane. Less engine wear and engines last longer. When you change the oil, the old oil looks almost as clean as the new oil, therefore less wear, and less carbon deposits left over in the engine, also less clogging up of the muffler/spark arrestor. I have a duel fuel generator and it is always ran on propane.
I like the dual fuel and smart features of ecoflow generator but in my opinion it's a little underpowered at 1600 and 1800 watts especially at there price point i wish it was at least 2500 or more watts so you can charge at faster rates on larger battery systems that would make it more cost effective so in my opinion it's a little underpowered it would have been a great idea if it was more powerful.
Great job man! I'm new to your channel and loving your content.
Excellent presentation. Job well done. Very informative. Thank you.
Jason, What are thoughts on the EcoFlow 5kWh Power Kit?
Jason what are thoughts about the EcoFlow 5kH power kit?
Great review & thanks. Before watching, I’d picked one up for $1099, which was hard to pass up.
Great review again love the videos. To the question of the advantages of dual fuel or gas vs propane for me is , I have a Honda EU 2200 with the hutch mountain tri-fuel kit. Which does gas, propane, and natural gas. How I use it for when we ride side by side for 3-4 days is I power the camp sight for charging batteries, coffee maker tools, water pump etc and the portable a/c the reason why I installed the tri-fuel kit is for during the day I use gas because when it runs out of fuel I can just fill it up easily. But at night I use a 40lb tank of propane for the smell of fumes at night when were at camp but mostly because when it runs the portable a/c during the night I don’t have to worry about waking up in the middle of the night to add gasoline because it ran out gasoline vs with propane I don’t have that issue it runs constantly threw the night. I run it 6-7hrs per night for 3 nights with the 40lbs tank of propane but have never stayed more than 3 nights to see how far I can last with that 40lbs tank.
Thanks Lexus! Great feedback on different fuel types and how you use them! That makes tons of sense 👍
You provided a lot of good information in the video, thank you.The fuel usage and cost comparison is nice to see. I bought the Ecoflow gas generator from Costco before the dual fuel generator came out. I will get the dual fuel generator the next time it goes on sale. I prefer propane over gas for all the reasons you mention here and if the reason I'm using my Delta Pro to power tha house is due to a large power outage then gas may be hard or impossible to find. Also propane can provide several unattended charge cycles of the Delta Pro whereas gasoline would require refueling between Delta Pro charges.
You make great points! I just powered mine up off propane to make sure everything was good still after winter. Worked great! Love the propane setup
8% off Discount?! Thats a TOTAL JOKE!
I wish it was a better discount too.
You gotta update your name to CallMeAdam2024, though
Fantastic video Jason. I will definitely be adding this to my ecoflo collection
I've been impressed!
Do you have the length on the DC to DC cord. I have the Delta Pro for my RV and am looking at the placement possibilities for both if I go with the "smart gen". I can't find it listed anywhere. TY - Al
Good test. Next time you could weigh the generator before and after you run it to tell you exactly how much gas you used
Good feedback, I'll have to do that measurement next time I do a test like this.
how is propane refill not common for y'all?
in Europe it's basically our equivalent of home Depot or Walmart that does refills, so really common.
There are a few propane refill stations located around me but you always have to tell someone at the register you want to refill a propane bottle, then you have to wait for an employee to be available, then you have to both walk out to the large propane tank and have the employee fill it up, once it's done you walk back inside the store and have pay them for the total amount of the propane. The propane bottles also sit outside where I feel someone could just walk away with it. It's just a lengthy process waiting around for someone to be available to help (it's like the least important thing for them at the store LOL).
The manufacturers of such propane or diesel/gasoline generators need to find a way to cancel the noisy sound. These are good but too noisy in city.
Have you seen those cool DIY generator sheds that are insulated so that they dampen the noise of the generator? There's a bunch of videos about them on UA-cam. Fun easy project to accomplish what you are looking for.
Steep price just for the integration with your other EF devices.
The extra price definitely comes from the high DC output (only generator I've see with that), the smart app connectivity and the dual fuel capability.
This is interesting!!.... So.... 1 gallon of propane weighs 4.11 lb. Here in my area as of today, propane is $3.80 / gallon (plus tax)..... Doing all the math (and I may be a little off.....) It costed you about $1.00 to $1.20 to charge your Delta Max from your smart generator. Basically, it costed you bubble-gum money to charge your Delta Max using propane.... NICE!
Thank you for this. I LOVE the integration but is it worth it? I have a Champion Dual Fuel 3400 Inverter that I want to use to charge my future EcoFlow Delta Pro :-) Hopefully soon when the newer model comes out.