she believes she is in a dream, what she considers real can really just be base if she can conect something to the lightword, thus only Berdly, Kris or Susie cloud make biggest impacts on her.
@@erugurara8235 Welp,in fact only real actual consiquence of Snowgrave... is literally Snowgrave,previous ice shock kills are just for training Noelle so she able cast Snowgrave on Berdly
@@skell6134 Considering how undertale acted on the behalf of killing minor people of the underworld that even if you dint kill any of the main cast, you would get some metion of the lack of the creatures you killed, is very posible that the story does take that in fact whit Noelle still conviced it was only a dream of it was Kris doing good for her so wont know what to belive know, in comparasion to beliveing in Kris or being subservant to him in the normal and snowgrave route. Of course it is only a theory but the original undertale did react to the palyer killing some oponents while striying to be pacifist.
@@erugurara8235 Welp,in fact there is no witness of all those fights tho,since our main party is far away,Berdly and Queen dont give a f**k about what happening with Darkners mostly So duh,i dont think it would have impact on story,maybe much more chapters later probably
@@skell6134 I theory but i cant say you are wrong, then again, whit Berdly posibly returning and Queen seing the plobem she was making they posibly would care about that kinda stuff. Berdly outside figthing the fun gang dint seem have hurt anybody and seem contemp whit them hepling his whims, affer him getting more honest in the end and posibly returning making adknowledge the darkness as real people. Also Queen does what she does on the idea of fun she seems program on, if she dint have anyone to use her fun is very probable that she felt it, in the snowgrave route her dailog shows her being a litte weird out by not having people around. I say that in the stance that she seems to do what she is program to belive it makes for fun and not on actually making harm. Any idea what is gonna happen to the rule card the next chapter by the way i ask.
@@derthevaporeon well i think it was more like "I appreciate the fact that you didn't force my estranged childhood friend into murdering someone, but why him? You could have spared anyone, ANYONE to stop this madness, but why him ?"
Yep I made you murder everyone who lives here, gave you items to increase your power, and almost electrocuted you so that we could skip a puzzle just to make birdly mad
Queen was right - there's nothing wrong with him, he's just annoying. Because beneath his annoying outward persona, there's a good person underneath. A person who is able to admit his insecurities when he feels comfortable doing so. A person brave enough to stand up for his friend, either in this route or normally when pulling that plug off his face. A person able to change. Like Susie became more compassionate. Like Noelle became braver by herself in the Normal Route. And I look forward to Berdly changing more if we see him again.
@WilliamsJLC nah, he's toxic. He's obsessive, possessive, and controlling, desperate to use Noelle to hide his own limits and protect his ego. If Noelle even thinks about working with someone else he insists knowing she is too passive. Berdley is a prick. He improves by the end of the pacifist route and yes, the snowgrave route shows his true care for her, but he is definitely toxic.
@@StrawberryDemon32 it is a nice detail did you also notice that when entering battle Noelle slides in instead of getting startled and jumping into position?
It's not the only animation that's altered, either. Her combat intro animation is changed as well as her combat outro animation. Even her combat idle animation is different. Normally, she stares towards the enemy side. During Snowgrave, she stares towards the ground instead.
Honestly, Birdly's character is pretty annoying, but his reaction to Kris at the start of the battle makes me respect him purely for how he clearly cares for Noelle.
The thing that strikes me the most is the NOISE at the end, presumably to indicate you've aborted the Weird Route. It sounds so full of hope and promise and relief at what you COULD'VE done, all in a little jingle. It makes me shiver, thinking of all the tonal suggestions that you SHOULDN'T do this, despite it being programmed into the game.
Sounds like certain route from a certain game made by the creator of Deltarune, which got really popular due to its certain final boss with a certain theme song lol
Free Will cannot exist without options, and if you keep that in mind there's a striking parallel between Toby Fox and God in this context. This isn't a religious commentary, this is a free will commentary.
@@tallic967 The huge rumors about Kris and the player being different entities, and what YOU do during the game goes against Kris's will, such as denying how they feel about the Spamtom Neo fight, playing the piano at the hospital, and even the snowgrave route, it's your actions and commands, and Kris takes the blame on something you're manipulating them to do, and Kris is forced to follow you. So when Noelle says it seems they were snapped out of it, it's just you stopping in a game, but for them, is like huge change out of the sudden. And it's rumored that Kris is against the genocide route, wanting you to stop using them and Noelle Or at least that's the theory and what I believe
@@ripperded8089 Well, in the very first momment of the game is really stated that Kris is your "vessel", confirming that theory. And even Post-Berdly fight in Snowgrave, when you find Ralsei and Susie, they look at you and ask you if you are ok, Ralsei even says that "if you are hurt, Susie can heal you", indicating that you didn't liked that and was feeling bad about it.
@@FinalFullMetalGamer Which makes me believe the theory that Kris and us are different entities, and that Kris doesn't accept our actions during SW, controlling them against their will
Unlike the snowgrave jingle which actually creeps me out / gives me an eerie feeling. Call me a weirdo but those kinda noises just give me a bad feelings
with how many moments of overworld sprites matching emotion with the dialogue emotes, part of me really wished there was a less humorous animation for Berdly summoning his halberd in this much more serious route
What’s funny is that in my game I did the opposite of this. Was pacifist throughout the whole game but then attacked Birdly cuz I had enough of his shit
It must have something. You can only get the Twisted Sword by fusing the ThornRing with another item, and if you succeed in a SnowGrave route she takes the ring with her. Literally you can only get that item in an aborted SnowGrave route.
@@VampLovr54 Absolutely correct. Maybe that PureCrystal may be achieved by aborting another route in a future chapter? That would be so cool! But it also could have something to do with the 2 Glowshards we got in these 2 chapters. Perhaps as the number of chapters increase will also the number of Glowshards? Only time will tell.
@@kriscubas4495 Guys! I think you might get the ThornRing by KILLING Noelle in a future chapter. I don't think she's gonna give it back. Either someone else kills her, or she gets injured and it falls off.
Funny aside, but this is the first time I noticed that when Birdly goes into defense mode for Noelle, he exclusively targets Kris. A small, but nice touch.
Argh, don't you hate when your dumb classmate causes mass murder just to get to annoy you? Dude, like, I'm sick of that happening every f$cking day, really!
@@dylanzlol7293 Or use Glare until he's at the point where the next one would 100% his mercy bar. Then use Wake until either Snowgrave is primed, or you're bored of ramping up Noelle.
Actually that might seriously be a thing. It's possible the scouter can read a person's Level of Violence. But knowing berdly it's most likely just nerd memorabilia.
The game calls it a Smart Scouter at one point (while also referencing Vegeta crushing his), so I had the impression it measured intelligence. Or more likely, it rings up as 0 for everyone except Noelle to appease Berdly's fragile ego.
@@ryanhernandez8324 it's a reference to the minecraft mob poll that happened about a month or 2 ago. The choices for the new creature were Copper Golem, some useless plant with big ol bloodshot eyes called a Glare, and some fairy thing that was admittedly adorable and collects stuff for you. The fairy thing one by a landslide but I'm surprised the Copper Golem got so few votes. I've been aching for more Golems. But the fairy thing is pretty neat
I love how the Berdly Genocide fight has no text below the battle which kinda signifies how serious it is. Also I just noticed the little sound que that plays when you abort the route that’s really interesting and cool honestly.
@@fragrantwinter8233 the entire point of the snowgrave route is to show how easy it is to manipulate noelle into doing horrible things and to have her repress it just because you tell her to
@@fragrantwinter8233 I believe the reason the alternate route was even possible at all was because of Noelle's unique susceptibility to our influence. Noelle's inability to refuse others was brought up quite a bit for a reason in ch 2. In the normal route she starts off with negative "boldness" stats until she finally gets up the courage to stand up for herself, while in Snowgrave we take advantage of her more concerning traits and basically make her into our servant who would kill for us with a whisper of her name. Compare this to someone like Susie who has high "Guts" and is shown to outright disregard the player on multiple occasions. Ex: Learning S-Action on her own, ignoring every dialogue option during the ferris wheel scene, running off with Ralsei without letting Kris choose, attacking enemies without command in ch 1, etc. Another thing that stood out is how Noelle's attachment to things that frighten or can harm her is brought up on multiple occasions in chapter 2 as well. She mentions how frightening things such as getting lost, scary movies, and even Susie make her feel safe. She lags behind during the firework projectiles because she was frightened and fascinated by them (like Rudy said in ch1, she freezes like a "deer in headlights" completely captivated in the fear). In snowgrave, she's creeped out by Spamton's shop, but also states how it's nostalgic. She's terrified of the queen, but states before the Berdly fight that "she couldn't help it" when commanded to be the Queen's peon. Let's also not forget how the prospect of Susie getting physical with her (shoving her against a locker/pushing her down and laughing) excites Noelle in ways that resemble a kink. There's other moments too, but I think I've made my point. The snowgrave route abuses Noelle's "traits" and fully takes advantage of them. The player immediately uses controlling language, saying things like "Noelle will ride with me", "proceed", "get it", etc. As we command Noelle to freeze enemies, she gets stronger and bolder and her intrusive thoughts begin influencing her actions like when she almost stepped off the switch to electrocute Kris. At first she copes by "blacking out", subconsciously shielding herself from the guilt. After a while however, Noelle rationalizes her actions by saying it's fine as long as she "gets stronger" and follows commands even though she's clearly terrified by "Kris" which, as stated before, only increases her attachment to the player. Another thing to note is how Noelle's attachment to the player skyrockets after the thorn ring that actively drains her health from pain is equipped on her. We're really just taking advantage of Noelle's most concerning qualities and making her into our pet. It's so fucked up. After a while, Noelle begins to freeze puzzles without even being commanded and happily asks to hunt more enemies. She doesn't even suspect anything is wrong until Berdly points it out and snaps her out of her trance (if you check Noelle's stats prior, it will actually say that she's entranced). Despite how terrified Noelle is of Kris by the end of the snowgrave route, the player's actions have clearly influenced her (as seen in Noelle's talk with her dad) and the player has her wrapped around their finger which is why all it took was a simple whisper of Noelle's name to one-shot Spamton at the end of Snowgrave. One more important thing to add is how often Noelle focuses exclusively on Susie in chapter 2 even when the others are around, but in the snowgrave route, Noelle never mentions her once. Even in the hospital, Noelle was only supposed to mention that Susie was in the room with her dad when we walk in, but in Snowgrave she's only focused on Kris and asks what they're doing there. We've completely taken over any thoughts Noelle had about Susie at that point by completely dominating all of her attachment "quirks", and the *abusive relationship* undertones aren't lost on Spamton either as he mentions how we're "using" Noelle and calling her Kris' "Hochi Mama"/"side chick" after we bought rings for Noelle from him and the Addison.
There's something about Kris refusing to look at Noelle during the entire sequence...that's so sad. The awkward teasing and the tension. How guilty does Kris feels about not intervening? Can they even *do* something? Besides moving for a few seconds
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Noelle: "You were just trying to make Berdly mad weren't you?"
Yes Noelle. We just froze everyone to death just to trigger an arrogant chicken.
he does kind of deserve it...
...not like any of the other enemies did, though.
like 40 lives for one chiken i can abuse sounds good.
@@champagnesupernova1839 they are being unfrozen if you abort snowgrave route, so, worth it
@@CoolGirlAyden really?? Awesome!
“arrogant chicken.”
LMAO
"sometimes I can't believe how cool I am..."
Berdly, trust me, you were a few turns away from becoming a LOT cooler.
This is the best comment ever.
-God
LMAO
WITTLE BIT QUITE LITERALLY UWU
even if he did get snowgraved
There's no way he could be even close to the Great Papyrus in coolness.
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Like this?
It's like the game itself is breathing a sigh of relief when you do an abort to the route
Thats what the sound at 4:14 is
@@ruinhunter2281 yeah.
Hahaha, yeah just messing with you, Noelle. Calm down, can't you take a joke?
That's a really great way to put it
Literally
"Oh i see you were just trolling Berdley werent you? Hahaha thats not nice"
All the massacred and iced enemies behind them: "Bruh"
Noelle and Kris got a particular sense of humor it seems lmao
Noelle: Maybe we should've gone easier on him
Kris: All I fucking did was stare at him
Tbh i kinda understand berdy here imagine fighting someone and loosing by them just freaking looking at you
Sigma stare utterly vaporized berdly
Noelle: Kris we should of gone easier on him.
Kris: I literally just looked at him.
@Funny Man someone should animate that,but instead of kris ,its raslei when Susie takes his glasses
@@TheMultiverseJumper no
@@lucasrodriguez550 *_yes_*
@@lucasrodriguez550 nah fam, gotta be yes a million times.
You know eye to eye contact is a gamer's biggest weakness
lmao
**Angry Enderman Noises**
"Haha we both just got carried away I guess"
"People are dead Noelle"
":3"
she believes she is in a dream, what she considers real can really just be base if she can conect something to the lightword, thus only Berdly, Kris or Susie cloud make biggest impacts on her.
@@erugurara8235 Welp,in fact only real actual consiquence of Snowgrave... is literally Snowgrave,previous ice shock kills are just for training Noelle so she able cast Snowgrave on Berdly
@@skell6134 Considering how undertale acted on the behalf of killing minor people of the underworld that even if you dint kill any of the main cast, you would get some metion of the lack of the creatures you killed, is very posible that the story does take that in fact whit Noelle still conviced it was only a dream of it was Kris doing good for her so wont know what to belive know, in comparasion to beliveing in Kris or being subservant to him in the normal and snowgrave route.
Of course it is only a theory but the original undertale did react to the palyer killing some oponents while striying to be pacifist.
@@erugurara8235 Welp,in fact there is no witness of all those fights tho,since our main party is far away,Berdly and Queen dont give a f**k about what happening with Darkners mostly
So duh,i dont think it would have impact on story,maybe much more chapters later probably
@@skell6134 I theory but i cant say you are wrong, then again, whit Berdly posibly returning and Queen seing the plobem she was making they posibly would care about that kinda stuff.
Berdly outside figthing the fun gang dint seem have hurt anybody and seem contemp whit them hepling his whims, affer him getting more honest in the end and posibly returning making adknowledge the darkness as real people.
Also Queen does what she does on the idea of fun she seems program on, if she dint have anyone to use her fun is very probable that she felt it, in the snowgrave route her dailog shows her being a litte weird out by not having people around.
I say that in the stance that she seems to do what she is program to belive it makes for fun and not on actually making harm.
Any idea what is gonna happen to the rule card the next chapter by the way i ask.
"Maybe we should've gone easier on him.."
*All you did is stare at the man*
Lmao fr
Berdly’s a gamer, prolonged eye contact is his biggest weakness
@@cyberneticsquid Speaking from experience, this is true
@@cyberneticsquid relatable
I like how at the end of every cutscene kris turns towards us... As if judging our choices
"What are you planning?"
And it hits differently based on what you did
Not using SnowGrave has him basically go like "I'm proud of what you did back there."
@@derthevaporeon well i think it was more like
"I appreciate the fact that you didn't force my estranged childhood friend into murdering someone, but why him? You could have spared anyone, ANYONE to stop this madness, but why him ?"
"Now what, nerd?"
"Maybe we shouldve gone easier on him."
Damn, you think I stared at him too hard?
Berdly : He just standing there... M E N A C I N G L Y
-_-
With Red Eyes.
@@dannybeane2069 *external gasping* WEE WOO WEE WOO WEE WOO WEE WOO WEE-
@@ZeoZephyr I mean, if some red-eyed kid was giving me a death stare, I'd slowly panic too
0:45. Berdly wouldn’t misgender Kris.
Pranking Noelle like a gamer by making her commit war crimes in the dark world 😎💥
that is true and i want to do genocide in like all games
In Minecraft
Yep I made you murder everyone who lives here, gave you items to increase your power, and almost electrocuted you so that we could skip a puzzle just to make birdly mad
Thats the point
And also made you wear a ring that almost stung you to death, we were just joking around
Yep
Sure
Jk
All that murder just to scare a chicken...
Worth it
It's worth it
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Noelle: Kris..I think we should have gone easier on him!
Kris in the battle: *casually just GLARING at Berdly,not even attacking*
He’s just standing there… menacingly…
"You were just trying to make Berdly mad."
Yes, by... Kill- I mean freezing all these other people that Berdly doesn't even know...
"Kris you made me commit murder for a prank."
just a prank bro
It's called we do a little trolling
Not murder...
"It was just a prank Haaaan..."
(If anyone gets the reference lol)
Snowgrave Kris in canon: Proceed.
Snowgrave Kris in headcanon: we do a little trolling
Kris: PROLONGED EYE CONTACT (Prolonged eye contact) PROLONGED EYE CONTACT (Prolonged eye contact) -
P R O L O N G E D E Y E C O N T A C T-
Berdly: I’m a brave bird!
Kris: *stares into berdly’s soul*
Berdly: NOT BRAVE ENOUGH FOR THIS (cartoon running sounds)
A gamer doesn’t give up
They ragequit
69th like!!!
berdly lost the staring contest. therefore, he lost the battle.
"maybe we should have gone easier on him"
Noelle all we did was stare at him.
We stared... MENACINGLY!!!
Well you did stare as a sign of being a jerk...
*MENACINGLY*
"Sometimes I can't believe how cool I am"
And he was about to get cooler
BROOOO STOPPPP 😂
Chilling when you think about it
@@swords5358 thats not cool
Kris: yo imma put that shit on ice
@@TJ__Ghost why did you edit it
I like the detail that during a snowgrave run, he ONLY targets Kris.
"Kris, maybe we should have gone easier on him..."
Girl literally we just stared at him.
For real
Maibe she meant that ominous staring
3:37 “I can’t believe how cool i am”
Only if you knew what was supposed to happen Berdly...
"HAH, wait till you find out how cool you were gonna be"
Underrated comment
@@audreygeorge5110 indeed
Kris: *glares menacingly*
Berdly: *gives up*
Noelle: "Maybe we should have gone easier"
Yeah im sure there was an icer way of doing things
Noelle is too nice to Berdly, this is well-established.
“Sometimes I can’t believe how cool I am.” Ha, he was almost TOO cool.
Too soon 💀
Almost
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Too cold
Kris : And No Harm was done!
*They all start Laughing Hysterically as the Camera Zooms out to the frozen Darkeners*
Let's freeze some more now :)
oh no
New route dropped: Trollgrave
There's no troll involved it should be called snowtroll
for when youre pissed at berdly, but not THAT pissed
Killing people just for intimidation factor.
*Glare him into submission, assert dominance, show 'em who's boss*
3:35 "Sometimes I can't believe how cool I am..." Berdly you have no idea how cool you were about to get!
Yeah
no
*vietnam flashbacks*
Haha remember that time we trolled Berdly to death
hey is it cold in here or is it just me
@@suffolk4418 no it’s just his HIGH GAMER iq
Kris just looked at this man and got told “maybe we should have gone easier”
A true testament to Berdly's power
Kris sigma stare hurt berdly both phisically and mentally
@@LostSoulSilver what, zero?
You've heard of the Snowgrave route, now get ready for the _Snowglare route_ !
Eyyyy
That’s a cool joke
Berdly: Heh! Sometimes I can’t believe how cool I am…
Kris: Just be glad you’re “cool” and not “cold”
Berdly: what
Kris: what
Yikes... XD
LMAO
LMAOO
*"The comedian got away. Failure."*
Best line in Genocide
*No Chocolate*
Queen was right - there's nothing wrong with him, he's just annoying. Because beneath his annoying outward persona, there's a good person underneath. A person who is able to admit his insecurities when he feels comfortable doing so. A person brave enough to stand up for his friend, either in this route or normally when pulling that plug off his face. A person able to change. Like Susie became more compassionate. Like Noelle became braver by herself in the Normal Route. And I look forward to Berdly changing more if we see him again.
Or toby could kill him off in later chapters to maintain the only one ending thing, but i hope he doesnt do that because it just seems lazy.
Normal route Berdly: *toxic friend*
Snowgrave route Berdly: *tragic hero*
*Snowgrave route Berdly: forbidden popsicle
@WilliamsJLC I agree there’s a difference between annoying and toxic
@WilliamsJLC nah, he's toxic. He's obsessive, possessive, and controlling, desperate to use Noelle to hide his own limits and protect his ego. If Noelle even thinks about working with someone else he insists knowing she is too passive.
Berdley is a prick. He improves by the end of the pacifist route and yes, the snowgrave route shows his true care for her, but he is definitely toxic.
@@Grimfang999 but he's so inoffensive about it that i guess he's just annoying
Normal route Berdly: That school jackass you just want to beat the shit out of
“That’s not nice Kris” I made you freeze people to death do you want that route or something
Imagine Kris doing most of the snowgrave just to pull a joke on Berdly and Noelle
in-character i'd say
its funny but all those darkners are still frozen and presumabely dead
"That's just a prank bro!"
Or maybe its the player pranking Kris
Queen: Bro Why Did You Killed My Peons
Kris: "Manipulate my childhood friend and make a massacre in a whole town? Funniest shit I've ever did"
Noelle: is forced by Kris into freezing dozens of enemies
Kris: "it was just a prank bro"
Kris: *(motionlessly stares at berdly until he leaves)* "we do a little trolling"
Berdly: "I'll stop you from hurting Noelle, even if I have to do it by force!"
Kris: _
Berdly: "... Dammit! I'll save you later, Noelle!"
Huh. It's interesting that Noelle's Defend sprite changes from her hiding her face to actually making a shield of ice in this route
well if she can permafreeze enemies she can definitely defend herself better
she got stronger
@@shaquilleeurope2600 True. I just think it's a nice detail is all
@@StrawberryDemon32 it is a nice detail
did you also notice that when entering battle Noelle slides in instead of getting startled and jumping into position?
@@shaquilleeurope2600 oh hey, you're right! That's so cool :]
It's not the only animation that's altered, either. Her combat intro animation is changed as well as her combat outro animation. Even her combat idle animation is different. Normally, she stares towards the enemy side. During Snowgrave, she stares towards the ground instead.
dude imagine fighting an enemy and it proceeds to stare into your soul while dodging all your attacks
*sans noises*
Damn I’m too late
*sans theme in the backround*
Don't need to imagine,
*undertale already did that*
Michael Myers
Honestly, Birdly's character is pretty annoying, but his reaction to Kris at the start of the battle makes me respect him purely for how he clearly cares for Noelle.
it makes sense that he’s annoying though, considering they’re all intended to be slimy high schoolers in here
@@critiasdetested4749 grrr teenagers
Yeah, he’s definitely an egotistical smug snob
but once he suspects somethings wrong, he drops the shit and legitimately worries about Noelle’s safety
yeah in neutral route he is just bruh
That's not the feeling I get from him.
"sometimes i can't believe how cool i am"
Bro you just got glared into submission, you could not possibly be LESS cool than that
Berdly wants to be cooler
@@youreadthisinyourmindright2604 Noelle can do that for him then.
@@MamaTrixxieAsmr man
"Bro you just got glared into submission" I'm crying
Noelle: maybe we should’ve gone easier on him
Kris: stood there menacingly
Nice pfp
Berdly: W-Well, it's not working!
Narrator: It absolutely was working.
Noel says we probably should have gone easier on him you literally just stared at them until they stop fighting
Dodged his attacks so well he got tired and gave up lmao
Ok but like you REAAAALLY stared at them
I feel like in a world where the soul didn’t exist, this would be Kris refusing to kill their friend, as if glaring is a “warning”
The thing that strikes me the most is the NOISE at the end, presumably to indicate you've aborted the Weird Route. It sounds so full of hope and promise and relief at what you COULD'VE done, all in a little jingle. It makes me shiver, thinking of all the tonal suggestions that you SHOULDN'T do this, despite it being programmed into the game.
Sounds like certain route from a certain game made by the creator of Deltarune, which got really popular due to its certain final boss with a certain theme song
lol
@@ARandomMinecraftVillager i like sand
Free Will cannot exist without options, and if you keep that in mind there's a striking parallel between Toby Fox and God in this context.
This isn't a religious commentary, this is a free will commentary.
For as much shit as I give Berdley, I gotta admit, he really was attempting to help Noelle out.
I See... So You Torture Your Frozen Chicken With Psychological Methods Before Freezing, Smart.
berdly you were a minute away from freezer aisle half-off special, my dude...
Freezer chicken nugs
[freezer aisle half-off special]
*commits genocide'
Noelle: fahaha we were in such a silly mood
Or as gaymers call it “a little trolling”.
Felt rather silly
Mood!
😈♥️🖤
@@Poltard a funny gamer moment
(Seems like whatever was happening, they snapped themselves out of it... proceed... What was I thinking?)
I see what you did there Toby
*visible confusion*
Could you please explain to my stupid ass
@@tallic967 The huge rumors about Kris and the player being different entities, and what YOU do during the game goes against Kris's will, such as denying how they feel about the Spamtom Neo fight, playing the piano at the hospital, and even the snowgrave route, it's your actions and commands, and Kris takes the blame on something you're manipulating them to do, and Kris is forced to follow you. So when Noelle says it seems they were snapped out of it, it's just you stopping in a game, but for them, is like huge change out of the sudden. And it's rumored that Kris is against the genocide route, wanting you to stop using them and Noelle
Or at least that's the theory and what I believe
@@ripperded8089 Well, in the very first momment of the game is really stated that Kris is your "vessel", confirming that theory.
And even Post-Berdly fight in Snowgrave, when you find Ralsei and Susie, they look at you and ask you if you are ok, Ralsei even says that "if you are hurt, Susie can heal you", indicating that you didn't liked that and was feeling bad about it.
@@FinalFullMetalGamer Which makes me believe the theory that Kris and us are different entities, and that Kris doesn't accept our actions during SW, controlling them against their will
I like how there is a "you fucked up" jingle every time you mess up Snowgrave
“and thats good”
yeah its gonna be really helpful for the next few chapters if toby does make more fked up routes like this
What jingle? I don't think I hear any difference-
@@lovelypink_20054:13
Noelle: Maybe we should have gone easier on him...
BERDLY GOT ROASTED SO HARD
Now I think that Noelle even better at roasting than Sans.
Forget frozen chicken,
Roasted chickens on the menu!
It's interesting how Berdly's attacks are stronger and faster here than in the normal route. He realizes what's at stake.
It also shows that he really was going easy on ya normally.
@@raphaelsanchez7386 as shown in chapter 1 emotions increase/ decrease damage so i think he was breaking his limits to try to save noelle
@@theultimatehomiegsenior3058 where was this shown?
@@yarinoi8662 Chapter 1, Susie vs Lancer
I'm so glad it's an aborted run but jeez is it dark with Noelle believing the whole proceed thing was a joke they got carried away with
Of course, telling Berdly (a true gamer) that you're voting for the Glare, would definitely make him angry.
xD
Vote for copper golem
vote for allay i want funny vexes and by extension magic further added to the lore
@@haja. you want a flying hopper
@@theintensecowtrio7099 and you want a finite golem theorem with like 2 uses for a normal survival world
That little sound, the sound of you aborting snowgrave, its such a lovely thing to hear.
Unlike the snowgrave jingle which actually creeps me out / gives me an eerie feeling. Call me a weirdo but those kinda noises just give me a bad feelings
sound effect? when?
@@zeeb2190 4:14
I like how when you fail a weird route a happy sound plays and the opposite for when you actually do stuff right in the weird route
Kris: -_-
Berdly: I'm too weak
actually its
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how to cancel snowgrave: _stare_
kris: *stares*
noelle: “Maybe we should’ve gone easier on him...”
with how many moments of overworld sprites matching emotion with the dialogue emotes, part of me really wished there was a less humorous animation for Berdly summoning his halberd in this much more serious route
Honestly almost ruined the moment for me
halbird
Berdly:
Kris: >:I
*battle won*
more like
Kris: > |
Noelle: Whoah slow down there Kris!
What’s funny is that in my game I did the opposite of this. Was pacifist throughout the whole game but then attacked Birdly cuz I had enough of his shit
GG
enough of his shit?????
Facts man I was pacifist until I got to this fight.
Then after some deep thought I realized that he's actually the best character in the game and restarted chapter 2 save.
i literally did that and ruined my entire pacifist run, i did not like how i needed to friend nerdly
"Noelle: Maybe we should have gone easier on him..."
Kris just glared at him wdym?
Next time he should glare at him less hard smh my head
He was just standing there... menacingly!
Eye contact is an extremely powerful attack against gamers.
Kris commits several war crimes to make friend mad.
Kris just killed 3/4 of the city whats so bad into it?
Player manipulates teenager to manipulate another teenager to do a massacre so it could do a little trolling
@@user-cm9kx9nf8p the Sigma Player Snowset.
I hope the Aborted Snowgrave Route will have a specific evolution in the next chapters like the others two.
It must have something. You can only get the Twisted Sword by fusing the ThornRing with another item, and if you succeed in a SnowGrave route she takes the ring with her. Literally you can only get that item in an aborted SnowGrave route.
well since the other item is an unobtainable "pure crystal" its sadly still impossible to make
@@VampLovr54 Absolutely correct. Maybe that PureCrystal may be achieved by aborting another route in a future chapter? That would be so cool! But it also could have something to do with the 2 Glowshards we got in these 2 chapters. Perhaps as the number of chapters increase will also the number of Glowshards? Only time will tell.
@@VampLovr54 he didn't remove the item entry, that means it's an item we are able to get later on.
@@kriscubas4495 Guys! I think you might get the ThornRing by KILLING Noelle in a future chapter. I don't think she's gonna give it back. Either someone else kills her, or she gets injured and it falls off.
Berdly calls it harassment
We call it doing a little trolling
Kind of ironic since he likes to call himself a gamer so much
Funny aside, but this is the first time I noticed that when Birdly goes into defense mode for Noelle, he exclusively targets Kris. A small, but nice touch.
He also won't attack if Kris is downed and instead say: "Noelle, are you okay?"
@@penitente3337 my heart
@@leonardorestrepo5196 also noelle says "i can still hear their voice..."
:)))))
@@penitente3337 That ain't Kris she hears. It's the player.
Argh, don't you hate when your dumb classmate causes mass murder just to get to annoy you? Dude, like, I'm sick of that happening every f$cking day, really!
Si suele pasar mí amigo el gringo le pasó
to be fair noelle and berdly also? thought it was just a dream or soemthing like that
Damn it Bergles. I just wanted your defense as low as possible so the snow that would become your tomb would be extra painful
So you wanted his defense to be...
Absolute zero?
Use Wake then
@@dylanzlol7293 Or use Glare until he's at the point where the next one would 100% his mercy bar. Then use Wake until either Snowgrave is primed, or you're bored of ramping up Noelle.
@@HESHRocketWarhead And remember to equip Jevilstail on Noelle
berdly can read kris's and noelle's battle power with his scouter thats why hes so scared
Over 9000?
(Also btw I thinks it’s actually just what Falco in star fox wears)
Actually that might seriously be a thing.
It's possible the scouter can read a person's Level of Violence.
But knowing berdly it's most likely just nerd memorabilia.
The game calls it a Smart Scouter at one point (while also referencing Vegeta crushing his), so I had the impression it measured intelligence. Or more likely, it rings up as 0 for everyone except Noelle to appease Berdly's fragile ego.
Berdly doesn’t want us to vote for glare
You know that the voting is finished and that Allay won right?
@@Grzmichuj2137 you're fact is almost useless at this situation, sorry
GOOD, BERDLY IS ALPHA MALE COPPER GOLEM
Sadly the alpha male failed his mission and Allay won now
@@NATONIOZ copper golem should've won
3:30 “Kris! Go ahead and train your strength values.”
*Proceeds to murder the Blue Twitter Bird*
This has some real "Chuck Norris stares a man to death" energy.
Berdy got glared to death lmao.
Snowgrave route but the jingle at the end makes life better again.
*Freezes the entire dark world*
Noelle: Ah I see it was just a P R A N K
Noelle: *About to use Snowgrave*
Me: _abortabortabortabortabortabortabortabortabortabortabortabort_
Even berdly upset by kris choose glare not copper golem
it's because berdly is a true gamer
Am I having a stroke or does this comment just not make sense
@@ryanhernandez8324 it's a reference to the minecraft mob poll that happened about a month or 2 ago. The choices for the new creature were Copper Golem, some useless plant with big ol bloodshot eyes called a Glare, and some fairy thing that was admittedly adorable and collects stuff for you. The fairy thing one by a landslide but I'm surprised the Copper Golem got so few votes. I've been aching for more Golems. But the fairy thing is pretty neat
xD
@@NoBop2000 epic minecraft reference reddit wholesome keanu chungus moment 100
"Kris, maybe we should have gone easier on him" and berdly says that noelle is smart
She's in denial
Kris: ...
Berdly: ...
Kris: ...
Berdly: ...
Kris: ...
Berdly: ...
Kris: ...
Berdly: ...
Kris: ...
Berdly: I give up
I love how the Berdly Genocide fight has no text below the battle which kinda signifies how serious it is. Also I just noticed the little sound que that plays when you abort the route that’s really interesting and cool honestly.
PROFILE.
It's like the games relieve because you aborted that route
He also exclusively targets Kris- Noelle never takes damage during the encounter.
Weird how the snowgrave thing is just simply brushed off and forgotten because of a few choices…
Seems like she kind of repressed the worst of it. But yes… It’s strange how disturbingly easy it is to convince her to do that.
@@fragrantwinter8233 It's not strange, but rather literally the point of her character.
@@NRobbi42 Elaborate please.
@@fragrantwinter8233 the entire point of the snowgrave route is to show how easy it is to manipulate noelle into doing horrible things and to have her repress it just because you tell her to
@@fragrantwinter8233 I believe the reason the alternate route was even possible at all was because of Noelle's unique susceptibility to our influence. Noelle's inability to refuse others was brought up quite a bit for a reason in ch 2. In the normal route she starts off with negative "boldness" stats until she finally gets up the courage to stand up for herself, while in Snowgrave we take advantage of her more concerning traits and basically make her into our servant who would kill for us with a whisper of her name. Compare this to someone like Susie who has high "Guts" and is shown to outright disregard the player on multiple occasions. Ex: Learning S-Action on her own, ignoring every dialogue option during the ferris wheel scene, running off with Ralsei without letting Kris choose, attacking enemies without command in ch 1, etc.
Another thing that stood out is how Noelle's attachment to things that frighten or can harm her is brought up on multiple occasions in chapter 2 as well. She mentions how frightening things such as getting lost, scary movies, and even Susie make her feel safe. She lags behind during the firework projectiles because she was frightened and fascinated by them (like Rudy said in ch1, she freezes like a "deer in headlights" completely captivated in the fear). In snowgrave, she's creeped out by Spamton's shop, but also states how it's nostalgic. She's terrified of the queen, but states before the Berdly fight that "she couldn't help it" when commanded to be the Queen's peon. Let's also not forget how the prospect of Susie getting physical with her (shoving her against a locker/pushing her down and laughing) excites Noelle in ways that resemble a kink. There's other moments too, but I think I've made my point.
The snowgrave route abuses Noelle's "traits" and fully takes advantage of them. The player immediately uses controlling language, saying things like "Noelle will ride with me", "proceed", "get it", etc. As we command Noelle to freeze enemies, she gets stronger and bolder and her intrusive thoughts begin influencing her actions like when she almost stepped off the switch to electrocute Kris. At first she copes by "blacking out", subconsciously shielding herself from the guilt. After a while however, Noelle rationalizes her actions by saying it's fine as long as she "gets stronger" and follows commands even though she's clearly terrified by "Kris" which, as stated before, only increases her attachment to the player. Another thing to note is how Noelle's attachment to the player skyrockets after the thorn ring that actively drains her health from pain is equipped on her. We're really just taking advantage of Noelle's most concerning qualities and making her into our pet. It's so fucked up.
After a while, Noelle begins to freeze puzzles without even being commanded and happily asks to hunt more enemies. She doesn't even suspect anything is wrong until Berdly points it out and snaps her out of her trance (if you check Noelle's stats prior, it will actually say that she's entranced). Despite how terrified Noelle is of Kris by the end of the snowgrave route, the player's actions have clearly influenced her (as seen in Noelle's talk with her dad) and the player has her wrapped around their finger which is why all it took was a simple whisper of Noelle's name to one-shot Spamton at the end of Snowgrave.
One more important thing to add is how often Noelle focuses exclusively on Susie in chapter 2 even when the others are around, but in the snowgrave route, Noelle never mentions her once. Even in the hospital, Noelle was only supposed to mention that Susie was in the room with her dad when we walk in, but in Snowgrave she's only focused on Kris and asks what they're doing there. We've completely taken over any thoughts Noelle had about Susie at that point by completely dominating all of her attachment "quirks", and the *abusive relationship* undertones aren't lost on Spamton either as he mentions how we're "using" Noelle and calling her Kris' "Hochi Mama"/"side chick" after we bought rings for Noelle from him and the Addison.
There's something about Kris refusing to look at Noelle during the entire sequence...that's so sad. The awkward teasing and the tension. How guilty does Kris feels about not intervening? Can they even *do* something? Besides moving for a few seconds
3:35 bro u just got beaten by ur classmates because they STARED at you
“Man that was so cool of him”… MY MAN
To be fair it was Kris/Us staring at him
Kris: I made my friend commit multiple felonies to piss off a bird
And several murders
I think murder is a felony
@@pyrrhuloxia53 Darkners are not really people tho
@@skell6134
We aren’t starting that argument, let’s just make funny aha jokes for now
@@sugarpapaelmo2004 I havent been starting any argument tho
"Proceed."
K-Kris?
"Proceed."
W-What are you doing?
"Oh I'm trying to sound like Queen do I sound scary"
Pff-
But the queen doesn't sound like this, She Sounds Like This
"Noelle Sweety Honey Gravy Go Ahead And Crush This Simpleton Lmao"
@@arminius1453 well yes but a computer is more likely to say "Proceed" than "Yes"
@@ninolloydbandiola5581 But since this specific computer actually says "yes" why not do that ?
"Umm... you do sound scary Kris, quit joking around."
Kill everyone in a cruel way and do not kill Berdly, perfect