Union Pacific OVERLAND - Brass Steam 4-10-2 Locomotive
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Today we're taking a fairly brief look at a Westside Model Co. brass model, specifically a UP 4-10-2 3-cylinder locomotive also known as the Overland type. WMC models are generally regarded as a good value with moderate detail and robust mechanisms, and this example certainly has those qualities.
This will eventually be painted as 8000 in its early paint scheme, with UNION PACIFIC on the cab and the locomotive number on the tender with the UP shield.
Thanks for checking out the video!
Beautiful model of a very large and rare steam locomotive.
Please update us with the painted/DCC model when complete. Always found the FTT type fascinating., make sure to read “Three Barrels of Steam” sometime if you haven’t checked it out.
Definitely plan on a follow up once progress begins! Three Barrels is on my list, but I had to get copies of both volumes of 'The Union Pacific Type' before adding any others to the library.
Georgeous model
Great find! 👍😉 And it is indeed a handsome steam engine. For a brass model with an open-frame motor it runs smooth, fast and quiet as shown in your test run. I think Westside Model Company brass model trains has decent detail. 0:55. I have four HOn3 brass K-27 "Mudhens", a Southern Pacific P-4 steam engine and a few New York Central Hudson steamers...and I am really impressed with their level of detail. I agree with you that WMC brass steam engines are robust. I am really pleased with the WMC brass models in my collection. If you do decide to paint and upgrade your WMC model with a can motor and DCC operation, I hope you post a new video of the model so we can all see it. Thanks for showing us your latest acquisition! 👍
Thank you! I certainly plan on showcasing this one once it has been painted and upgraded. It may be a while as I'm considering having it professionally painted which will likely take time, both in saving up for and for the actual painting to be done. I do not have a lot of brass but what I've seen of WMC I really think it's a great value. Thanks for watching!
That type of locomotive was also built for Southern Pacific, I hope to get a model of it in SP's scheme sometime.
Nice find! I actually just bought a Westside MT-73 for just over $180. Was in pretty rough shape cosmetically but it ran almost perfect out of the box. I got it cleaned up and looking decent in preparation for DCC and paint.
Thank you! WMC brass is some of my favorite, and their gearboxes are bomb proof. I've gone back and forth on whether or not to paint this one, but ultimately I think it'll look good with the Harriman-era scheme.
@@yardsounds90 Good luck! I’m currently stuck as to where I’m putting the decoder in mine because I can’t get inside the tender period, I’ve got the oil version and I’m not keen on trying to unsolder everything to get inside.
HOW HAS THAT *NOT* GOTTEN A TRAINZ MODEL YET?!
Overland model in a West Side model box? From the grade of detail exspecially inside the cab) it is an older West Side Model from the early 1970ies. After 1972 they replaced the open frame motor with a Sagsmi can motor.
Correct, Overland in this specific case refers to the class name the UP gave to their small fleet of 4-10-2s rather than the company that made the brass model.
Thanks for the review. I was recently looking at one and your review was extremely helpful. I'm guessing from your comment, it would require a 32 degree radius? Do you know the actual vintage of the midel ... what year it was manufactured?
The item im looking at has been painted and slightly weathered. It looks great. Seems to be a good puller as well.
Hi there, thank you for watching! I cannot specifically say what the minimum radius is, but it is likely 32" or larger. I could not get it around the 28" radius oval I have. These were imported by WMC in 1971. hoseeker.net has a lot of literature on brass (and other manufacturers) including the pamphlet for the WMC UP 4-10-2.
I need to get mine painted, but I really do enjoy owning it even if she doesn't get taken out of the box very often.
I bought a brass overland steam engine yrs ago and it's DC and I'd like to put a ESU sound decoder in it and paint it olive green 💚 and gold lettering
Nice
very very cool🥰
Question: Do you think it would be a good idea to ditch the gresley valve gear and to replace it with joy's valve gear? (on a real locomotive)
Being a ridged frame, its minimum turn radius must be very wide turns. Whats the minimum turn radius on the model?
I haven't tested it, but it will likely need 32" or greater. It does not like my 28" radius curves, that much is true.
@@yardsounds90 Appreciate the response I was thinking of getting one, but was wondering it's radius as I doubt it can do the BLI 4-12-2 min. Of 22". Love to hear what you find after you test it.
I can clearly see why it is having hiccups at slow speed!!! The radius rod is lifting out of the valve shaft!!! Take a set of needle nose and gently pinch the carrier so that radius rod will not lift out. She'll run like factory new if you do this!!!
I'll see about that next time I have it out of the box, thanks for the tip!
Yes; could be because an out of quarter wheelset/s is stressing it. Enjoyed the comment.
you have an issue with the valve, it's lifting the reversing bar up an down
That is something I have been unable to really fix, but I haven't taken the rods off to fully diagnose the issue. Hopefully before it gets paint I'll be able to figure it out!
This a not uncommon problem, the trick to fixing seems to be to carefully (using pliers) pinch the brass fork at rear of valve cylinder to retain the radius bar at the pivot point rivet. Not perfect as a real radius bar would protrude up slightly in real life but it does prevent that unpleasant looking vertical displacement of the radius bar.
Are you going to get it painted?
I'd definitely like to, in the Harriman scheme with the UP shield and road number on the tender, the grey boiler, and 'union Pacific' on the cab sides
Thats not an union pacific its an #5021 southern pacific
I'm afraid you are mistaken. SP definitely had the most 4-10-2s, but this model is an example of the ten or so UP purchased as an experiment with the three-cylinder concept before ultimately going with the 4-12-2. These were the 8000 class on UPs roster.
Some examples here: www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=144525
Not really Union Pacific fan, but deffinitely racy looking 5 coupled steamer.
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