How To NOT Destroy Your Landing Gear
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Avoid destroying your landing gear. Airplanes aren't monster trucks. We'll show you how to land them and go over tips and techniques to help you succeed at keeping your airframes flying in great condition.
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0:00 Everyone Makes Mistakes, but We're Here to Help
0:30 Airplanes Are NOT Monster Trucks
1:07 Stabilized Approaches
2:00 Trade Altitude for Airspeed
4:48 Gyros Do Help
5:53 Slipped Approaches - Розваги
I really appreciate you covering this subject. I'm an old fart who only started RC flying 3 years ago and I still struggle with some landings. Part of this may be that my fleet of aircraft covers a wide spectrum and it's hard to "specialize" in one type of aircraft. But my mind also says that this could be good, as it teaches me skills on how to react to how any plane is flying. That being said, I've been really focusing on left-stick controls and I've also setup a "low rates" landing mode with increased elevator expo to help numb my tendency to over react close to the ground. Just when I think I'm getting better, I'll have a hard landing. But when I compare to even last year, I am getting better and more consistant.
Some day I want to master the slip. We have a scale pilot in our club that does some pretty severe slipping with his giant scale J3 Cub. It's a pleasure to watch.👍👍
Oh, man the slip scares me...I'll watch you guys😊
Almost 2 years in the hobby, crashed many many birds. Crushed, bent, many landing gear, retracts and static. Not a paid user of a certain simulator, I learned to land over many hours on PC. My fear of landing in real life was going too fast and passing my landing zone. I've seen this video and the logic never stuck. Today after many hours of practice, I had my first weekend of butter smooth landings. My RC buddies are happy that I invested in a sim, put in the practice, and applied it to real life. This video really encourages me to keep practicing. You will get better at it.
Happy to help! The more you fly, the better you get - especially when you know the right techniques to employ to improve your piloting. Keep at it and let us know how it goes!
I got 45 years in my belt flying, and a skill 3D pilot, and an advance INAV pilot, and flying with Gyroscope is nice, even do, I do not use the feature often, gyro like the aurora, when tune make the plane look fantastic. Great tips you provided to the community. Love the video.
too bad your sentence structure and spelling arent as good as your "mad skills"
...as an aside to my last comment, i spent about 8yrs flying a Cessna 208 Grand Caravan in South Sudan and the Congo for Save the Children. I was constantly trying to improve my STOL technique but in a full scale aircraft you have so much 'feel' fed back through the controls, seat of the pants and visually cimpared to flying a model.
I agree. I flew RC first before I got my PPL. Flying a real plane helps me tremendously landing a model airplane, somehow I can translate (a.k.a feel) what I see on my RC plane into my fingers and my whole body
I am so impressed with your gyro analysts to all the haters out there way to go man!!! I love the feel of the Admral (Lemon RX) gyro in some planes like the Tundra and my Flite Test Freedom Fox, but I also love the feel of AS3X in the Timbers, and Carbon Z Cessna better. I like how you can use the Aux 3 as a remote gain on some of the Admiral or lemon RX's using the sliders on the NX10. I feel kinda spoiled being able to forward program all the AS3X settings i want and fine tune each axis. Flying your plane with the gyro totally off can be beneficial in how its truly flying and reacting to wind and stick inputs, flaps and flaperons, spoilers, and full span ailerons. Really good to see you break this debate down for some of the idiots that dont know how lucky we are to have the tech we do these days.
Can't say enough- thanks for that - I've been RC flying forever and I always learn (big time) from twobros
Happy to help, Jeff! Consider joining us on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord sometime!
Love your content! TY for covering this subject. I'm probably now about a low level intermediate pilot, but mastering landings is something I need to spend more time doing. Great, professional video and great job!
Glad it was helpful!
Great advice there guys with demonstrated landings
I didn’t use rudder for years except when taxing
Ended up purchasing a glider with no ailerons which then forced me to use rudder inputs and have never looked back
Appreciate the tutorial. I can't wait to try out some of these tips at my challenging spot. Its a nice big field, but the landing area is a tight parking lot with buildings at one end. Once I'm commited to landing, there's no pulling out. I love the challenge- not always the broken props so much 😊
I used to struggle with left stick control quite a bit. It was either throttle OR rudder. Had a hard time controlling both. I found that spending a lot of time taxiing my UMX around like it was an rc car, on a packed dirt patch of a ball field to keep the wing scrape damage down, really helped with left stick control. I did that on windy, or just crappy flying weather days. It helped my slip control a lot.
Thanks again for the helpful videos 👍
Thanks for another great video that will help the community out. Looking forward too upcoming content!!
Just wanted to say that your presentation style is extraordinary my friend .... You convey information in a way that a person like myself who is contemplating entry into th RC plane world....want to take the step and buy an RC plane ...... thank You for sharing your knowledge with us all
Happy to help out! Feel free to join Discord and ask around for help as well: bit.ly/TBRCDiscord
Good advice for anyone.
Thanks so much for the demonstrations.
THANKS!! your advice helps a lot
Good Info ! Thanks
Another great video!!!! Thanks!!!!
Thank you 👍. Is very helpful
What a coincidence. I went out today to a Tarmac airfield just to practice my landings with my P51d Cripes. Landing on grass was so hard without a nose-over. I thought it was bad technique. Today couldn't have gone better and I've regained my confidence. Great tutorials. I've found them invaluable since I started 👍
Happy to help!
This guy! Very nice tutorial!
Great video. Took a few yearsoff from the hobby, but Im getting back into it. I bought the Eflite Eratix to start with since it floats well and I wanted to make sure my thumbs still knew what they are doing. I love that plane. Thought Id be horrible flying since I hadnt done it in a while, but I guess its like riding a bike. Keep up the great work. Really enjoying your channel.
Happy to help, and thanks for checking us out! We'll be taking the Eratix up again for a one year review pretty soon.
Thanks again for this video. Please educate me on expo input. Cheers. Leo.
Expo softens the stick feel around the center. It's primarily used to create a 1-1 servo response when working with servos that have big throws.
Thanks for this. While watching flying is fun, these instructional videos are excellent. My FW-190a is still my Eleanor when try to prevent a tail spin once the tail wheel touches down.
Holding some up elevator when the tail settles can help prevent it from ground looping, but you'll find that keeping it controlled with rudder will do a lot more for it.
Thank you for covering the SLIP, I will practice this on my channel ! Over the English channel ! RC Over Dover.. cheers!
No problem 👍
Cubs are my favorite planes to slip in. The just look so good compared to anything else I have slipped in.
Great video as usual. Hang around any FB groups and all the complaining is about landing gear breaking and what new model they are coming out with, LoLz.
Great video. I really like the tip of slowing the video down to see the stick inputs. I’d be interested to know if you advocate for the use of simulators to build confidence.
Simulators are great for stick movements, but not confidence. The only thing that will give you confidence is learning to appreciate being uncomfortable and being willing to push your own limits.
Díky!
Cheers, thank you!
Know your landmarks and visual cues. Judge both your ground speed decent rate by determining what spots to look for in your flying field. Do this consistently until it becomes routine.
Hi Jon, When you say Gyro, are you meaning AS3X or SAFE. I have found landing in SAFE to be difficult because it has been setup, out of the box, to stop you diving into the ground and the only way to descend is by reducing throttle. Therefore i always extend the roll amd pitch angles possible through Forward Programming. Are you doing the same. I also increase the gains in both AS3X and SAFE substantially for the landing phase and when flying with high AoA. I'm currently trying to improve STOL landing with my Draco but it doesn't seem to like slow flight! I'm experimenting with deflecting the ailerons upwards with full flap and downwards with takeoff flap but one has to be careful not to run out of aileron authority and differential seems to be particularly noticeable on the Draco. All of the above compared to the Skynetic Bison XT which I dont think you have tried yet - it has the complication of variable slats and it seens to be important not let them move too much. I have got through several sets of wings on my Bison! On all of them I've had to dismantle the slats to free up the hinges, otherwise the servo struggles to move them. Poor QC at the factory. If you have a moment, I'd be interested on your thoughts about Gyro in particular. Tommy
When we say "gyro", we're talking about the AS3X rate gyro system. If we say SAFE or self-leveling gyro, we're talking about SAFE. Definitely talking about a rate gyro here. We generally don't mess with SAFE, it's only activated momentarily if needed.
Been trying to learn a stable sideslip; it’s harder that it looks!
I would 100% agree with you up to the landing gear of the V1200..ive greased that gear multiple times and had to replace it.
Absolutely the worst landing gear.. ever
I kid you not - my V1200 landing gear was damaged/bent from having the plane use them by keeping the plane for a week on its gear on the ground instead of on its belly and that alone was enough to bend the gear LMFAO . Horizon should pay us a rebate for having to deal with that garbage landing gear
Good video
Comments like "any landing you can walk away from is a good landing " contributes to this. As well as foam planes forgiving nature.
Contributes to what?
Is the dx6e with receiver a good setup to get for PNP and BNF planes? Will be my first TX and RX in this hobby
It's an OK setup. You'll want to move to something like an NX6 if you plan to get further into the hobby and want to fly more Spektrum-equipped airframes.
@TwoBrosRC many thanks, do you recommend to get the TX and RX bundle?
I now have crossfire headtracking working. Time to take off the gloves.
Do you have a vid on how to do slips?
Cheers
You just watched it.
One more thing , can you try a ww1 fighter once. I just love those. Thanks 😊
We might someday!
spad XIII please :-)@@TwoBrosRC
How about usage of gyro on gasoline warbird? Do you have any experiences? I do agree using gyro can save you from landing disaster which can be happen with single mistake on landing manually
No idea, but it should be doable.
Irl my instructor always said “pitch for speed,power for altitude” when i was learning to land before i soloed. Same rules apply to rc
Yup!
Love this! Another killer video! The stuff about gyro bitching is so damn true - it’s like laughing at a full scale Air Force F22 pilot because he uses fly by wire with input assist instead of flying with zero control assist like a douche bag bouncing around the sky twitchy as hell with any wind thinking they are better or more skilled than everyone else while they act like 5mph winds are too much. When I now hear someone at the field say something to me while bitching about my gyro use especially when they they have a modern scale like a Euro, I say “oh, so you must be new to flying scale/RC! Welcome! Considering flying without a Gyro is only letting you reach a small part of the possible full potential from your airframe and wind conditions, and considering the full size airplane is fly by wire, gyro assisted, and computer controlled inputs, it is a no brainer if you want to be more scale and push your currently basic skills to new heights- to get yourself a gyro - but welcome to the hobby and let me know if you need any lessons on how to fly like a scale aircraft instead of a toy..” Lol
Low wing should be about a 40% throttle on landing approach. High wing and/or byplanes can land with dead stick throttle. Keep elevator flared on landing and gg.
Wing location doesn't really determine landing characteristics.
I disagree. I can land flying wing/delta wing and high wing planes at dead stick as where low wing mono/fighter planes I cannot.@@TwoBrosRC
As a beginner with warbirds flying them FPV with INAV I appreciate your tutorial.
As for FPV only the perspective differs.
Gonna try that slip more for the confined space i fly.
thanks bro❤
1:04 Arrest the descent with throttle? Please explain.
That's what it means. If it descends too much, add throttle to prevent it.
@@TwoBrosRC so, it’s a corrective measure rather than standard landing technique?
Not sure I agree with the "trade altitude for airspeed" advice for the final approach. To me, a stabilized approach means maintaining a constant airspeed and sink rate throughout the entire approach until over the threshold.
The technique works I've been training with @twobrosrc and found my landings have improved a lot from when I 1st started. Anyone can fly but landing has a technique and with that, you can build your skills.
You can get a stabilized approach by keeping the nose pointed at the ground and gaining airspeed from letting the aircraft descend. Holding throttle isn't always advisable as it can cause an overshoot easily. But that's the beauty of aviation, there's many ways to approach it. So long as you're bringing the model down in one piece and aren't busting it up, use whatever approach works for you!
Trading the right amount of altitude for airspeed gives you constant airspeed and sink rate..
Turning potential energy into kinetic energy is very common in aviation. Does that strike you better? 😃
Stable approach......it is defined as maintaining a constant approach speed+descent rate+configuration.....to the landing touchdown point....ergo.....gaining speed is not a stable approach......
Surely in the beginning you’re referring to the slow ultra stick. Folks are “landing” it at a 30 degree nose down attitude that would rip the whole bottom out of a balsa plane and then saying thr landing gear is “weak”. Lol.
Unless you’re Mike Paty, with Draco, or scrappy
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It's funny how everyone always calls gyro users "bad".
Funny how i treat my carbon cub like a warbird in landings
You should, considering it's a taildragger and needs some rudder work to do wheel landings properly.
yep......"landings" is where the rubber meets the pavement as far as being a good pilot goes.
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My apologies, let me re word my question, is it my impression or you are using tons of expo, judging by your hand movements. I use 30 % on most of my models (don't know why ) except on a fast wing where I use 60 %. Thanks.
50% expo on this airframe using 150% rates and full throws on the surfaces.
Pilot induced oscillations......PIO......not PO......think u mean forward slip.....not slip......otherwise rlly enjoyed it.......
Lol, we did say PIO. Listen again. 😉
Thank you for trying to correct Jon on the EXACT verbiage down to the micron level like I am sure you do with all the peasants below you (everyone in hobby with less than 70 years of experience in your opinion to include full scale active duty Air Force F22 pilots). I look forward to seeing you at the airfield sitting on the bleachers judging and correcting everyone for just trying to have fun and using general terms like stall instead of “plasma induction hyper pressure under cytokine left degree wing reduction in pressure lift unbalance of the 6th dimension,” all while only flying yourself when no one is there to see how you make the same mistakes you are calling everyone else out for. I applaud you for this contribution to this video - how DARE he use Slip instead of Forward Slip. Jon I guess you should just quit flying now if you are going to make such a catastrophic mistake like this lmfaoooo
If you like Gyros, more power to you but I like flying the plane myself. Where’s the fun in not learning how to do it on your own? Just saying.
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Feel free to tell the Blue Angels that they're not really flying the plane themselves because their stick inputs are translated by a flight computer, which itself is nothing more than a really fancy gyro.
You’re talking about a much more sophisticated plane than a rc plane. There were no fly by wire on a WW2 airplane. Just the pilot and his skills 😊 I think Captain Sully who landed the plane in the Hudson said he could have softened the landing if not for the limitation of the fly by wire system.
This isn't a WW2 airplane. It's foam beads shaped like a WW2 airplane that was created in the late 2010s. Technology evolves. Don't be obstinate.
I think the point you’re missing is technology fails. People should learn how to fly planes without the gyros. It can be done. Find the ugliest plane you can find like a ugly stick. Fly it on windy days, fly it on calm days and days you’re not so sharp on the sticks. That will improve your flying skills. Gyros decrease your flying skills because you become use to them and when it fails to work then what? I travel the country for work and you would not believe the amount of people who can’t do general math when I’m trying to pay for something. I’m sure they learned general math in school but don’t know how now because the computer in front of them does it for them all the time. Yes things change and technology advances but not always for the better.
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Thank you for this amazing contribution to the hobby, the video, and the industry @slange455. I will build a statue in your honor tomorrow
I used to know a girl who had PO.....
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People who hate Gyros are like climate activists!😂 please don’t harass us. Can’t we just live in harmony?
A well built and properly setup model does not require a gyro, they seem to be great training wheels for toy planes though 😂
@@BillCranford well depends on multiple factors like where you live! Where I live there’s a lot if wind throughout the day and it’s almost impossible to fly without a gyro.
For stuff that Two Brothers RC makes, it’s also often impossible to fly without a gyro. With the CG so far back, the plane just doesn’t want to fly!
@@BillCranford and by the way that way you’re commenting is exactly what I meant… we like to fly planes with gyros you don’t let’s just appreciate that we all found this hobby and have a good time!
By "properly set up", surely you mean excessively nose heavy. Any aircraft benefits from using a gyro to stabilize for turbulence, and all model fighter jets fly demonstrably better with a gyro compensating for neutral or tail heaviness.
@BillCranford please tell me the car you drive is a manual transmission, with without power brakes or power steering. That you still use the big maps on road trips and don’t take advantage of GPS. Or that you have air bakes, anti lock brakes, backup cameras or lance assist sensors. If you do, then you are not a real driver
too bad that AI took over this video....robots suck
What's with you weirdos calling people AI?