Using triangle carbide inserts in a homemade cutter was a bad idea. || RotarySMP

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  • Don't do this. Triangle inserts like these TCMT 110202 have two issues:
    1/ being 60°, they always engage, or at least rub on the bottom
    2/ there is only one edge to locate the insert in it's pocket, and that is not rigid enough.
    The inserts come loose after a couple of cuts, as you can see in the video I made when using it. • Unreliable tooling is ...
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    00:00 - Intro
    00:32 - Plan the dovetail cutter
    01:03 - Turn the blank
    06:25 - Grinding 7° wall angle mill
    12:51 - Testing the end mill
    15:11 - Tool holder fell out
    17:31 - I dont have the right tap.
    18:25 - Broken tap
    18:54 - Spring is here.
    19:55 - Test the DIY dovetail cutter
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  • @RickRolling-tc7vb
    @RickRolling-tc7vb Місяць тому +20

    That empty space in the Clarkson box was for a small packet of digestive biscuits, essential acoutrements for British machine tool operators. You may find that the beds on British machine tools are slightly longer, and you'll be pleased to know that it is designed to give you somewhere to set your cup of tea down so you can dunk your bikkie. Great skills as always Mark, thanks for the entertainment/envy paradox.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +4

      I like that. No wonder it was empty. They are nice biscuits :)

  • @kitesquid
    @kitesquid Місяць тому +18

    Clickspring makes EVERYTHING look easy! 😂

  • @kenthesparky178
    @kenthesparky178 Місяць тому +14

    Well that worked dovetail cutter a treat 👍.So now you have to buy 2 sets of 2.5mm taps, one for Fran and one for yourself.😒😁

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +5

      Already ordered. :)

    • @kenthesparky178
      @kenthesparky178 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@RotarySMPon top of the job👍

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +4

      @@kenthesparky178I hate damaging another guys tools.

    • @MikelNaUsaCom
      @MikelNaUsaCom Місяць тому +1

      only two... lol.

    • @wizrom3046
      @wizrom3046 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@MikelNaUsaCom agreed! Little stuff like 3mm or 2.5mm taps, buy them in a pack of 5 at least.
      Think of them more like little disposable endmills than like prized taps that you going to cherish for the rest of your life lol.
      "my PRECIOUS! ... (snap) ... Doh!"

  • @LittleHambre
    @LittleHambre Місяць тому +4

    Love how you can see the change of tool speed, in the color of the chip, when the larger diam ends are cleaned up on the lathe.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      I really need to sort out my spindle control logic to get CSS working.

    • @LittleHambre
      @LittleHambre Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMP you can just excuse it with the cool looking visuals, for UA-cam :D

    • @johnsherborne3245
      @johnsherborne3245 Місяць тому +2

      @@LittleHambre photometric closed loop speed control, that is really cool!

  • @philip_fletcher
    @philip_fletcher Місяць тому +14

    That Shaublin drive train sounds sooooo smooth!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +3

      At higher speeds that large toothed belt is pretty loud. I duck the audio on the machine a lot, as they sound pretty bad in videos.

    • @philip_fletcher
      @philip_fletcher Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP I was comparing it to my Colchester Bantam (which to me, sounds wonderful) but as it was 'all in the edit' I dont feel quite so bad... 😉

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      @@philip_fletcherThe gearbox on the Schaublin only provides he back gear, so it doesn't make too much noise. The huge belt extruding air is probably the loudest bit, and that at highest speed (3000 rpm), I turned this at about 1500 rpm.

    • @steveggca
      @steveggca Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP poly -V belts are so nice, nearly silent and so much more smooth that conventional V or toothed belts

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      @@steveggcaI was tempted to switch, but the wide toothed belt will allow extremely high torque, much more than a poly-Vee (but that is probably academic, as I doubt I will ever need such torque on such a small machine). The main reason I didn't switch was the work. The existing parts were all there and in good condition.

  • @billgilbride7972
    @billgilbride7972 Місяць тому +5

    Thanks for sharing all the sharpening. Between you and Joe Pie I might learn me something!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Our pleasure Bill :)

  • @matthewchastain136
    @matthewchastain136 Місяць тому +7

    No one should be so hard on themselves comparing them to clickspring

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +3

      Thanks Matthew, Chris's videos are really outstanding.

  • @frogandspanner
    @frogandspanner Місяць тому +5

    1:27 _Clickspring_ makes everything look easy. But we, the viewers, aren't, so we look to channels where perfection is merely an aspiration, not an inevitability.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks. I wonder how many errors end up cut in the edit with Chris.

    • @frogandspanner
      @frogandspanner Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP I watch his stuff because it shows what _can_ be achieved with relatively inexpensive kit crammed in a cupboard, but with _infinite_ patience.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      @@frogandspannerYeah, his machine tools are pretty low end. I am kind of surprised he hasn't traded that modern watch makers lathe for a Scahublin 70 or similar. His trade skills and patience are absolutely out of this world.

  • @WillemvanLonden
    @WillemvanLonden Місяць тому +6

    Nice to see you back in the shop again.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks Willem. Nice to be making something.

  • @624Dudley
    @624Dudley Місяць тому +7

    The Schaublin really has become one of the family. 👍
    Crafty project, that dovetail cutter! Really impressive.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thank you very much Doric. It came out pretty well, despite a couple of screw ups.

  • @aaronhammond7297
    @aaronhammond7297 Місяць тому +5

    The milled flats seem quite forward of centerline, and the carbide even moreso. Big tradeoff between relief and rake angle

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, I think I overdid that a bit. Didn't want it rubbing, but could have dropped them down a far bit.

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP I have made a CAD design for a 70.7 deg dovetail cuter a month ago and found that dropping the TCMT11 inserts half it's thickness (center then in the plane in which the rotation axis of the tool is) will give enough rake angle. But this has an effect on the resulting cutting envelope (dovetail angle) and the insert needs to be rotated in its seat to compensate.. thank deity-xy for parametric CAD software!

  • @steveggca
    @steveggca Місяць тому +4

    Nice dovetail cutter !

  • @Rustinox
    @Rustinox Місяць тому +6

    Well, that's quite a journey just to cut a dovetail.
    I use my shaper, much easier :)

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      Hi Michel. Shapers are cool, very hypnotic. Once I get this dialed in, it should chomp through the stack of tool holder blanks pretty fast.

  • @dazaspc
    @dazaspc Місяць тому +4

    MMM M2.5 taps are nearly as strong as a piece of dried spaghetti. I would hate to think of how many I have broken.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      Yeah, and almost not feedback that it is binding up.

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 Місяць тому +23

    Fun fact, Johansen himself was one of three people who was allowed to walk into Henry Ford's office unannounced. The others were his son and if I recall correctly his lawyer.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +7

      Hi Jim, I like that bit of useless info. Thanks :)

    • @stevensmart8868
      @stevensmart8868 Місяць тому

      Nice work on that cutter. My wife does a great rhubarb crumble also.

  • @JohnForst82machine
    @JohnForst82machine Місяць тому +3

    Nice! Schaublin action! Surface finish pretty decent too. Thanks for the vid Mark

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks John. That Schaublin does a nice surface finish over a wide range of F&S, materials and inserts. Makes me look good :)

  • @stragenmitsuko
    @stragenmitsuko Місяць тому +2

    so nice to see a clarkson in action . I have avery rare MKIII .

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Oh nice. That is a very tasty machine.

  • @andrewclarke3750
    @andrewclarke3750 Місяць тому +3

    Nice clip of a VIGV unison ring in your opening clip. Another fantastic video as per usual. I enjoy the commentary with the videos as it feels like the viewer is sat there in the workshop watching progress.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Good spotting Andrew, I was wondering how many people would ID that as a unison ring :)

  • @wmc7870
    @wmc7870 Місяць тому +2

    Acosta is exciting to watch, and to hear binder and miller talk about him the way they do he seems to be the real deal even on the big bike

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      He certainly made Marquez and Bagnaia look pretty ordinary in Portugal

    • @wmc7870
      @wmc7870 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP apparently pecco was having chatter problems in Portugal, maybe Ducati are letting him and Martin share problems out 🙂. I don't like seeing anyone get hurt but it's just not the same if there isn't some excitement from an 'alien' style rider. Nothing more boring than someone doing a disappearing act at the front. I think that aldeguer might bring a good bit of competition for Pedro next year... But it's early days in the season to be wishing for next year's competition!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      @@wmc7870 Yeah, the contrast to F1 couldn't be more extreme. The MotoGP is so tight with three bikes and probably 10 riders who can win on any weekend. Brilliant.

  • @LCalleja
    @LCalleja Місяць тому +4

    Nice cutter!! Glad to see you back in the shop making things. Got to use a few different machines as well

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Hi Luke, and a bit of a Carkson accessory show for you :)

    • @LCalleja
      @LCalleja Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP Yes I need a vice :) I think there was a base to mount the vice directly to the table that's probably what is missing from your box

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      @@LCallejaGood point. Could be. Those vises are pretty rare, but copies of it are made in India. I fine it really hand for lathe tools.

    • @LCalleja
      @LCalleja Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMPwell if it can be copied in India it surely can be copied in Malta. Nothing like a few good photos and some dimensions to copy from ;)

  • @chrismayer8990
    @chrismayer8990 Місяць тому +5

    Great work! I'm looking forward to the rhubarb recipe! 😅🤣😉

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Coming soon Chris :)

  • @mechaform
    @mechaform Місяць тому +2

    Don’t know why I’m only just discovering your channel. Great project. Nice lathe!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Welcome aboard! It really is a dream lathe. I have a whole playlist on my modification to LinuxCNC.

  • @physicsguybrian
    @physicsguybrian Місяць тому +2

    Excellent! Cutter turned out super nice!!! Well done good Sir!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks for the kind feedback Brian.

    • @physicsguybrian
      @physicsguybrian Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMP Most welcome!

  • @MakarovFox
    @MakarovFox Місяць тому

    lovely to see the lathe working so great

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you! Cheers! It is a nice tool.

  • @ogaugeclockwork4407
    @ogaugeclockwork4407 Місяць тому +1

    Nice tool! If you use that cutter and you have the bottom engaged as well as the side, there is a good chance all hell will break loose. Chatter. I have made these before and found that if you want or need to also have the bottom engaged you might need to use a DCMT insert. The commercial versions that use TCMT have the insert at a slight angle to the axis, providing clearance for the inner bottom edge, but this also means that the dovetail face is not quite flat.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      The dovetail slots I need will be roughed out first with and end mill, and also have a relief groove 28mm wide and 0.5mm deep, in the middle which will reduce the rubbing of the dovetail cutter, which will only feed sideways.

  • @hiltonhayward4088
    @hiltonhayward4088 Місяць тому +1

    This was actually a very interesting video to watch...really cool

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Glad you enjoyed it.

    • @hiltonhayward4088
      @hiltonhayward4088 Місяць тому

      All the way from Cape Town South Africa 🌍🇿🇦

  • @MattBaker1965
    @MattBaker1965 Місяць тому +1

    awesome cutter well done !

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thank you very much Matt.

  • @ceesweerheim990
    @ceesweerheim990 Місяць тому +1

    I grew up in the Netherlands in the Mid 70's and a shifting spanner was refered to as a Bacho stil have them

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      I grew up with my Dad calling them Crescents. I think that was a common US brand.

  • @bulletproofpepper2
    @bulletproofpepper2 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks for sharing, nice job.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @seamusbolton215
    @seamusbolton215 Місяць тому +1

    Excellent video, really enjoyable

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Glad you enjoyed it Seamus. Thanks.

  • @ObservationofLimits
    @ObservationofLimits Місяць тому +1

    Very nice tool

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks for the kind feedback.

  • @MikelNaUsaCom
    @MikelNaUsaCom Місяць тому

    Thumbs up! Spectacular.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thank you Mike! Cheers!

  • @somebodyelse6673
    @somebodyelse6673 Місяць тому +1

    Toolmaking is the best!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks, but that is Stefan Gotteswinters channel :)

  • @mike9500
    @mike9500 Місяць тому +1

    nice tool man!

  • @edsmachine93
    @edsmachine93 Місяць тому

    Nice work.
    Good tool.
    I have seen some made with 3 inserts.
    I like the 4 like you did.👍
    Have a good week.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you! Cheers!

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 Місяць тому +3

    Great job on the cutter though, works like a dream.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Hi Jim, yes it does! Really happy with the result. Hope it holds up to all the tool holders.

  • @chadstrand7868
    @chadstrand7868 Місяць тому +1

    great video thanks for sharing

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks for your kind feedback Chad.

  • @TrPrecisionMachining
    @TrPrecisionMachining Місяць тому +1

    very good video RotarySMP

  • @zadabjlil2281
    @zadabjlil2281 Місяць тому

    Amazing and good 👍👍

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thank you so much 😀

  • @freestyla101
    @freestyla101 Місяць тому +1

    Loved this video and I plan to make the same. From memory my tool holder dovetails measure 11mm or so and I wasn’t sure if the 11mm cutting face tcmt would do the job. Next size up is 16mm.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      If your Dovetail height is 11mm, you will need the TCMT16's. The TCMT 11 are about 9.5mm high.
      It has been pointed out that by moving the cutting edge so far forward of the plane through the center (4.4mm), my cutter will actually cut a slight radius on the dovetail face. I was trying to ensure I had enough clearance to prevent rubbing on the rear edge. I screwed up and made it 4.4mm instead of the intended 2mm. Probably not relevant in this static use case, but if you need to meachine a sliding way, keep the cutting edge closer to the center line. The 7° clearance angle on TCMT means you could probably get away with on CL, as long as your cutter diameter is above about 30mm.

    • @freestyla101
      @freestyla101 Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMP I see. Isn’t the tcmt11 cutting face 11mm? Or at least that’s what I’m seeing in the engineers book.

  • @Myrulv
    @Myrulv Місяць тому +1

    Nice video as always. You should try making soup of the rubarb. Cold rubarb soup is really nice. In Norway we still have snow in the garden.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Good idea. I need to try that. We only got a couple of snow days this winter.

  • @sintaxera
    @sintaxera Місяць тому +1

    I have three of those hacksaws, think they were $20 NZD. love them

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      They really are good. Plastic fantastic.

  • @joell439
    @joell439 Місяць тому

    Nice project 👍👍😎👍👍

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thank you! Cheers Joel.

  • @billdoodson4232
    @billdoodson4232 Місяць тому +2

    That EN24 seems to machine a lot better than it cuts with a hacksaw.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks Bill. It is pretty tough steel.

  • @dlstanf2
    @dlstanf2 Місяць тому +1

    One of my nastiest injuries came from parting off with a hacksaw. At the very end of the cut, I realized too late, I tried to keep the blade from going all the way through the cut. But, the hook that was left on the part, and my trying to pull back, grabbed my index nail at the root and yanked the entire nail off. Ouch!! So, get a parting inset.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Ouch. I have cut a lot of metal with a hacksaw, and consider it one of the less dangerous tools in my basement.

  • @voltairegoethe
    @voltairegoethe Місяць тому +1

    Moto GP??? I'm concerned about that DoAll Bandsaw's comeback!
    Pray without ceasing says the GoodBook.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Yes, I still need to pull the gearbox apart again, but there are other projects I need to do first.

  • @MyMiniHomeWorkshop
    @MyMiniHomeWorkshop Місяць тому +2

    Nice tool, I have a draw full of chipped end mills that need sharpening and I don't have a Tool & Cutter Grinder and can't afford to buy one, so I guess I'll have to try and build one. 😜 I built my Mill and Lathe, so how hard can a Tool and Cutter grinder be. I would give them to a Toolmaker to do, but I can't find one around here. 👍

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      I guess you already now of the Tinker or the Quorn T&C grinders? Both can do as much or more than the Clarkson. They are very flexible machines.

    • @MyMiniHomeWorkshop
      @MyMiniHomeWorkshop Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMPI knew about the Quorn, because Matty from Matty's workshop built one, but I have a very tight budget and I tend to try to get around that by just building stuff myself. I'm always up for a challenge. I recently finished building a Spin Indexer which came out pretty well. 👍

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      @@MyMiniHomeWorkshopThere are plans floating around the internet for a Quorn style, but without castings. You dont really need a kitset, the parts can be hogged out of plate, and bar.

    • @MyMiniHomeWorkshop
      @MyMiniHomeWorkshop Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMPI make my own Aluminium castings anyway using the Lost Foam method, so that isn't an issue. 👍

  • @stretchhfab7315
    @stretchhfab7315 Місяць тому +1

    With labor rate at 150$ an hour in my shop, it's cheaper to just buy the right tool I need. I make plenty of custom tooling for myself, but they make dovetails in the size you want.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      This is just a hobby for me, and learning what to do right or wrong is just as important as the result in many cases.

  • @GeoffTV2
    @GeoffTV2 Місяць тому +1

    That worked great, a really nice looking cutter too. The lathe made a fab job of the turning work. When you chose a 60 degree insert at the beginning I did wonder if that would be OK. I was thinking that a more acute angle (e.g. 55) would be needed - mounted to provide a 5 degree relief at the bottom. In my mind this would mean the cutter wouldn't rub at the bottom but clearly it worked no problem. - Heather

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      When I make the tool holders, Schaublin put a wide relief groove down the center, so the cutter will not be rubbing over it's whole diameter. I am surprised my cutter survived it's first contact with me :)

    • @GeoffTV2
      @GeoffTV2 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP Oh yes I saw that relief. Your tool not only survived it survived while doing a massive cut and did even seem to make any horrid sounds..

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      @@GeoffTV2The Maho is a real beast. I only push it by mistake :)

  • @user-bp2xq7qd2b
    @user-bp2xq7qd2b Місяць тому +1

    Good man

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks for watching it.

  • @darkmann12
    @darkmann12 Місяць тому +2

    Maybe you could mill a couple flats into the Clarkson's spindle?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      Yeah, that needs to go on the to-do list.

  • @pgjuzek
    @pgjuzek Місяць тому +1

    that was a one shy cutter! good job though!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks! I am happy how it came out.

  • @SELG88
    @SELG88 Місяць тому +1

    man you went to vacations recently right? and you also visited some shops? how do you manage dude i gotta know cause you are a rockstar on my eyes

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks for you kind words. After the video is before the video. As soon as one is finished, I am straight into working on the next one. You kind of get into a rythym of it, but year, I don't do a lot other than work and this.

  • @SirHackaL0t.
    @SirHackaL0t. Місяць тому +1

    The mains hum is strong in this one. It must drive you nuts.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      You noticed it well Clint, I nomally put on my ear defenders, as much for the hum, as for the cutting noise.

  • @car9167
    @car9167 Місяць тому +1

    your live center is wobbling like crazy. Not sure what precision you can accomplish with that...

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      The center is fine. A three jaw chuck is not a precision work holding device, so remounting a turned part in it will always have runout.

    • @car9167
      @car9167 Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMP So you're saying the three jaw chuck has the part not centered and is forcing the live center out of round and wobbling? I understand that but what I'm saying is your turning on the right side is not concentric with the center on the right. Not sure if it matters in your application though

  • @purpleidea
    @purpleidea Місяць тому +2

    Don't you have a mill? Add a wrench flat onto your clarkson! =D

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Yeah, that needs to go on the to-do list.

  • @JanneRanta
    @JanneRanta Місяць тому +1

    Dont have flats for wrench? Sounds like a good excuse for a project to me 🙂

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, I need that on the Clarkson to-do list.

  • @rogerrascal8632
    @rogerrascal8632 Місяць тому +1

    Just thought I heard you say Peter Acosta? It's Pedro Acosta FYI if if heard wrong apologies. Nice work BTW !!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Hi Roger, I thought I said Pedro, but am not the clearest speaker :) He sure made Pekko and Marquez look pretty ordinary on sunday didn't he.

    • @rogerrascal8632
      @rogerrascal8632 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP No worries mate, yes Acosta will make a big impression this year, I think he may even be up in the top 3 at the end of the season. He is very young and talented!! Great work on the video too, love how you leave the 'mistakes' in the post, with the cussing as well , funny because we all do it! Cheers

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      @@rogerrascal8632 Thanks a lot Roger. Acosta reminds a lot of a young Marquez or Dani Pedrosa. Wonder whether he will become a serial world champion, or just a nearly champion.

  • @camillosteuss
    @camillosteuss Місяць тому +1

    You really should make a way cover solution for that Schaublin lathe... A great little machine, but Schaublin really has some mental people in the design and details department... I`ve been watching Stefan`s videos for quite a while, and those compound slides by Schau that he worked on are also made in a stupid way in regards to oil grooves... To be precise, the grooves are made in such a way that they leave a high spot over time in a section, which then galls the rest of the slide should you actuate it towards the more extreme ends of the travel... I really can`t see as to why would such a reputable company make such design faults and oversights with one of the most fundamental parts of the machine - the lubrication setup...
    Otherwise, a nice project! This type of cutter has been in mind for quite a while now, but i never got to making it as i am atm just sitting in my car and waiting for my girl... I mean, doing other shit and preparing for building of a new shop to actually fit all my machines...
    All the best and kind regards!
    Steuss
    Edit- speaking of that mill that your friend has got, i commented on your last video, those machines by Prvomajska are supposedly of extremely good quality, at least material-wise... Tho, i was referring to a 90degree head for Luke, rather than this machine specifically... Who knew, i speak of them one day and the other day, there is one that you run into...

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Hi Steuss. I clean and lubricate a lot, especially to have little my machines have to work.

    • @camillosteuss
      @camillosteuss Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMP I get that, but nothing beats a proper cover set... You just rely on the one shot oiler sys and the covers take care of everything else for at least a couple of years, just be sure to cover the machined surfaces with some rust inhibitor agent like the boeshield t9 or similar to prevent any crap developing away from sight... It also then allows you to use grinders and similar terrors near the machines without any chance of it causing issues in any way...
      And once again, i`m in love with that 4 end massive toolpost... Such a majestic piece... I quite like the other smaller single ended toolholder you got there... Some quite nice components...

  • @peterhadfield873
    @peterhadfield873 Місяць тому +2

    Having done the head scratching trying to make a smaller diameter insert dovetail cutter I realised that if the cutting edge of the insert isn't on the centre line of the cutter then you don't get a 60 degree cone, you get a slightly curved face of slightly more than 60 degrees... have you found yours to be close enough? I ask as the geometry of yours is a whole lot easier to make.
    thanks for sharing.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      I moved the cutting edge forward of the centerline to ensure back clearance. Might have overdone that. Then again, this is a static tool holder, rather than a guide way, so I expect less than perfect area contact to still perform okay.

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 Місяць тому

      as per my other comment.. the most simple solution (to avoid the curved resulting face) would probably be to put the inserts cutting edge plane onto the rotation axis (milling geometry then is pretty simple as well), create the cutter, install the inserts and use a tool&cutter grinder to grind off any spots of the inserts in the upper area that would otherwise rub?!

    • @peterhadfield873
      @peterhadfield873 Місяць тому +1

      @@joansparky4439 simple if youve got a tcg , less so if not! :-)

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 Місяць тому

      @@peterhadfield873
      I'm aware.. but with the outcome being flat dovetails (and not curved ones) it might be worthwhile? I mean, even that small d-bit grinder from CHN I got should be able to do this.. price wise on-par with my 180x300 mini-lathe. I'm sure a lot of people who are able to make their own dovetail-insert cutters rock much heavier metal than this?

  • @chrisfairbrother9197
    @chrisfairbrother9197 Місяць тому +1

    The finger on your cutter grinder looks too thick. It won’t help you have enough feel on smaller cutters as it is too rigid. We used broken hacksaw blades as fingers. The tap wrench was way too big for the tap. You need to use a small “t” type tap wrench for those tiny taps. (Trying to be helpful comments) . The dovetail cutter worked very well. I bet you were pleased 😊

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Thanks Chris. You are right, that finger came with it, and was made from power hacksaw blade. I even have a worn out hand hacksaw blade sitting next to the Clarkson ready to be reshaped.
      That was the smallest tap wrench on hand. The first cutter had some feel to it. The second one I got to confident, and turned to fast and the inertia hid the feel. Dumb mistake.
      But I am pretty happy with the result.

  • @joansparky4439
    @joansparky4439 Місяць тому +1

    Have u checked the dovetail angle after cutting it?
    If the TCMT11 insert's cutting blade plane is on the rotation axis the insert will rub on the dovetail that is being cut in the upper part, but the dovetail angle will be correct.
    To prevent rubbing the insert is better placed half its thickness above that plane (it's center plane then contains the rotation axis), but this affects the cutting envelope and subsequently the resulting dovetail angle, so the insert needs to be rotated in its seat to compensate.. it's a bit tricky.

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 Місяць тому +1

      PS: if the inserts back plane contains the rotation axis to prevent rubbing (or it's even further ahead as is visible in 16:55 , plane of back of opposite inserts are like 5mm apart) then the cutting envelope will NOT create a 60 deg dovetail..

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 Місяць тому +1

      PPS: one naturally can compensate for this wrong angle by rotating the work slightly so the correct angle is being cut.. so not all is lost.

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 Місяць тому +1

      PPPS: thinking even further about this I wonder if the cutting edge of inserts that are very far ahead of the plane that contains the rotation axis are actually still cutting a planar dovetail or if the resulting face actually has a curve to it?!

    • @joansparky4439
      @joansparky4439 Місяць тому +1

      hm.. the best and easiest approach for hobby is probably to put the cutting blade plane on the rotation axis, mill the whole thing, install the blades and then go to a cutter/grinder and take off the parts of the inserts that stick out in the upper part of the cutter?!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      Thanks Joan. good point. Given this is not a sliding way, but a static clamping condition, time will tell whether the deviation affects use.

  • @bobmac9070
    @bobmac9070 Місяць тому +1

    There are a number of companies that have these as a stock item of the shelf, why make it when you can have one tomorrow?
    Dorian Tool , Penn Tool,
    You can also buy them on line for 40-$50.00 what s your time worth vs just buying it!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Not sure that you can get an insert cutter like this in Europe for €40-50, or tomorrow, but this is a hobby, so I am happy to learn how to make one, and make a video of it. I took a look, and it seem an insert dovetail cutter is more like €500.

  • @larryschweitzer4904
    @larryschweitzer4904 Місяць тому +1

    I'd like to have your cutter grinder. I've got a Chinese knock off of a Dekle that sort of works. but I find frustrating.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      The Clarkson can also be pretty frustrating. I guess it is the nature of cutter grinders with their multiple degrees of freedom, that they are not that easy to set up.

  • @johnsherborne3245
    @johnsherborne3245 Місяць тому +1

    What about drilling two radial holes in the Clarkson shaft for a C spanner?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      Good idea John. I need to put something on the Clarkson to-do list.

    • @johnsherborne3245
      @johnsherborne3245 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP ironically I have only the bits you are missing. Inherited with my lathe, but I had hopes of creating a slide and using it with ER collets as you do. Dopey bought a 25mm shaft not 1”!

    • @johnsherborne3245
      @johnsherborne3245 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP are you short of things to do? I doubt it!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      @@johnsherborne3245Not really. As fast as things get worked off my to-do list white board, other things are added.

  • @ozgurgulderen
    @ozgurgulderen Місяць тому +2

    It seems that your tool has high negative rake angle from video. Draw a line from tip of th insert to the center of the cutter at the bottom and check the angle. Zero rake would work better as insert has a profile with positive rake.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Yes, I overdid it a bit, avoiding insufficient clearance but reduced rake. Seems to work fine wiht this geometry, as the Maho is pretty stiff.

  • @cooperised
    @cooperised Місяць тому +2

    If the cutting edge is not precisely on the centreline (and it looks like it isn't, for clearance I assume) won't that affect the dovetail angle? I wouldn't be surprised to find that it didn't cut a 60º dovetail.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, it was for clearance, although I screwed up and gave it more clearance (4.4mm ahead of the CL) than I planned (2mm). It will cut a curved surface. I need to see whether it will make much difference on a static clamping surface like this. On a sliding way, it would cause more scraping.

    • @cooperised
      @cooperised Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP Thanks for the reply! (Love your channel btw.) I'm not sure it'll cut a curved surface... effectively the insert is rotated relative to a line through the axis of the tool's rotation, and taken to its limit with the cutter at 90º that would produce a vertical surface (if it still cut, which of course it wouldn't). So I think it'll still be straight, but not 60º. But then again the geometry of this kind of stuff ties my brain in knots so who knows.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      @@cooperised Yeah me too. Another viewer was talking about it being a curved surface. Your description sounds more plausible. I how this similar to a cosine error where the initial deviation is very minor and I can ignore it :)

    • @cooperised
      @cooperised Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMP Fingers crossed eh! If I wasn't on holiday with the family I'd fire up the ol' CAD and model it to see what the effect of that offset was. But I am so I won't. I'm interested though.
      Shame you can't just use the same cutter for both mating parts, and then the angle wouldn't matter anyway!

  • @claeswikberg8958
    @claeswikberg8958 Місяць тому +1

    is that an effect of the camera shutter, or did you have that much throwout on the revolving center at 2:21?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      It was runout Claes. It was only chucked up in the three jaw, and they are never that precise.

  • @kristofpucejdl
    @kristofpucejdl Місяць тому +1

    1:26 Chris might have the lead in the graphics but I prefer your sound effects! Btw is there any chance I could reach out to Franz regarding the Prvomajska? We have a similar, possibly a gen older mill at the university in not so good condition and I am trying to make it usable again. Insights from the pro would be very much appreciated.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Hi Kris, thanks. Drop me a line (Email address on the channel start page), and I will put you in touch with Franz.

    • @kristofpucejdl
      @kristofpucejdl Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP I might be slow Mark but could you point me once more to the email? I browsed your channel tabs and cant see any but patreon links. Or maybe thats a way of letting me I should donate (I totally should and will btw haha).

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      @@kristofpucejdlUA-cam keeps changing that. If you click on the "... and one more" after the paypal link, then the page with the email address comes up.

    • @kristofpucejdl
      @kristofpucejdl Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP email sent :)

  • @Velespitnet
    @Velespitnet День тому

    ECE Nohut Haşlama mı? :D 01:35 A canned chickpea from Turkey.

  • @istasyonninsani
    @istasyonninsani Місяць тому +1

    Nohut Haşlama ? Afiyet olsun :)

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      I like chick peas and hummus :)

  • @Quagmire0815
    @Quagmire0815 Місяць тому +1

    hier in Hessen hats geschneit heute..... und in Österreich blühen die Blumen 😳

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Es war wieder ein recht milde Winter heuer.

  • @Kyran31
    @Kyran31 Місяць тому +1

    Any reason you didn’t just 3D mill the insert pocket using fusion? Using a tip rad cutter?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Since I monetised my channel, I can't use the hobby license of Fusion, but dont generate anywhere near enough revenue to justify a commerical license. I have a 20 year seat of FeatureCam. Not the most productive tool paths, but it is a hobby, and I am patient.

    • @Kyran31
      @Kyran31 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP ahh makes sense, didn’t even cross my mind you couldn’t use fusion

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      @@Kyran31That is also why I use FreeCAD for modelling.

  • @martinmaurach300
    @martinmaurach300 Місяць тому +1

    VGV linkage inspection @ intro?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Good spotting Martin :)

  • @kiwishamoo6494
    @kiwishamoo6494 Місяць тому +2

    Kia Ora bro, where are you in Europe?

  • @rycudas
    @rycudas Місяць тому +1

    I'm assuming the answer is "Because it'll rip your arm off" but is there a reason no-one uses the lathe under power with a hacksaw when using one to part off?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Good point, safety note taken. Turn off machine first. Thanks.

  • @timhatch1299
    @timhatch1299 Місяць тому +1

    2:28 is that a camera artifact or is your tailstock wiggling?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      three jaw chucks are not precise tools, so there is some run out when you grip an existing part like this.

    • @timhatch1299
      @timhatch1299 Місяць тому

      Sure, but shouldn't a preloaded and locked tailstock force that end to be centered?

  • @julias-shed
    @julias-shed Місяць тому +1

    Seems to like the abuse 😀 nicely done

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Thank Julia. Surprisingly robust this one :)

  • @LongnoseRob
    @LongnoseRob Місяць тому +1

    So was that angle now right or not?
    Or will the be the cliffhanger for next episode?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      Nope. I only set 3.5°. But the inserts are snug and held firmly, so that was lucky.

    • @624Dudley
      @624Dudley Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMPY’know, I was wondering about that…looked like 1° per division on that scale rather than 2°. Must re-watch 🧐

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      @@624DudleyI only noticed when editing that I cant read a simple scale. Duh! :)

  • @antongyrt4814
    @antongyrt4814 Місяць тому +1

    Это если ласт хвост 60°, а если ласт хвост 55°, какую пластину можно использовать?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Я думаю, вы могли бы сделать его со вставкой VCMT?

  • @filopat67
    @filopat67 Місяць тому +1

    5:24 It almost bite you there.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      It looks like it from that camera angle, but I was careful to have the force guiding my hand well past the blade.

  • @ObservationofLimits
    @ObservationofLimits Місяць тому +1

    Question: Why not drill the screw hole all the way through?
    Granted, I know you'll be the only one using it and *probably* not leaving it lying around with no anvil or screw in it. I just worked a place where we had to machine many of our own parts and features for old machines, and *someone* would always lose anvils for the tool holders, so swapping between a LH RH Center he'd take the anvil off another one, leave it on the carriage, then pack it full of chips (we had to machine metal, epoxy resin, other non-ferrous materials that make nasty dust that cements when wet/oiled). So many of our tooling bars we wasted time picking clean that we eventually through drilled them all. This also let us use any length screw since the different holders sometimes had a screw 1mm different and well, you guessed it, if he was losing anvils he was losing screws and then F@#$king the next guy over because the inserts wouldn't actually be clamped tight.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Good point, I didn't think of that. I was more concerned with that little 2.1mm drill breaking off in the hole as it exited on the sloped surface.

  • @cho4d
    @cho4d Місяць тому +1

    wow, that's a big cut... heh maho doesn't care at all :D

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, I miscalculated, and the Maho was like, "steel, what steel?"

  • @michaelwillis1832
    @michaelwillis1832 Місяць тому +1

    Why don't you bolt a spare tripod to your ceiling or better yet a nice bracket and quick release so you can hace your camera up out of the way?

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Hi Micheal. I have some nato rail bolted like that, but had a light mounted on it. I really need to redo the who lighting and camera mount set up around the mill, as it is a bit of a PITA.

  • @RB-yq7qv
    @RB-yq7qv Місяць тому +1

  • @iteerrex8166
    @iteerrex8166 Місяць тому +1

    What that 11:30 a joke? Convert it to 7 metric degrees 😂

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Either that, or I am an idiot who cant read a scale :/

    • @iteerrex8166
      @iteerrex8166 Місяць тому +1

      Oh I didn’t notice the mistake. I was laughing at the conversion comment, cause metric and imperial degrees are the same, and thought you were making a joke.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      @@iteerrex8166Glad you enjoyed that. :)

    • @iteerrex8166
      @iteerrex8166 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP It seems like you didn’t intend for a joke, so I’m not sure what you meant there then. But anyways, great cutter. Looking forward to making the parts. Cheers 👍

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      @@iteerrex8166I only worked out in the edit that I had screwed up and set only half the angle I wanted.

  • @antongyrt4814
    @antongyrt4814 Місяць тому +1

    18:19 я маленькие метчики всегда зажимаю в маленький патрон и кручу пальцами.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Хороший совет. Спасибо Anton.

  • @johannesfiftyeight9287
    @johannesfiftyeight9287 Місяць тому +1

    15:11 #@*&!!! Still not as bad as a broken tap... Doch!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      There was no warning sign, normally on larger ones you can feel it nipping up, but here the resistance was minimal.

  • @wyohman00
    @wyohman00 Місяць тому +1

    Clickspring makes everything look easy....argh!

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      He sure does. Wonderful workmanship.

  • @cyrusramsey4741
    @cyrusramsey4741 Місяць тому +1

    My hacksaw got replaced by a reciprocating saw.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Mine was supposed to be replaced by the band saw, but that bit was small enough that it was done in no time with the hack saw.

    • @cyrusramsey4741
      @cyrusramsey4741 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP Band saws can't always hold onto what you want to cut, which reminds me of another thing I need to make 😆

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      @@cyrusramsey4741 Did you see last weeks video? Luke did a nice mod on his cut off saw to improve clamping of small parts.

    • @cyrusramsey4741
      @cyrusramsey4741 Місяць тому

      @@RotarySMP Oh great, I'll have to check it out, thanks 😄

  • @jamierussell6051
    @jamierussell6051 Місяць тому

    Slipkaw parallel pliers Nice! We call them Channel Locks . Great show brother!
    MACHINISTS FOR TRUMP 🇺🇲
    WWG1WGA 🇺🇲

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Those Knippex slip jaws are really handy.

  • @clubdjmarcus
    @clubdjmarcus Місяць тому +1

    Yeah ... That cutter will not cut a real straight angle. It might look 60 degree but it will be somewhat bowed because of that huge off center cutting flutes. If the cutting edges are straight on a rotating tool they need to be on center, if you need them to be off center for whatever reason then they need to be set at a compound angle or helical. It's just maths ... But nice try. You could still salvage it I guess

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Yep...
      ua-cam.com/video/QcRovVJXnSk/v-deo.html

  • @user-ale7723
    @user-ale7723 Місяць тому +1

    😂😂😂 الجاحض المفتهن

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      Google translates that to "the ignorant and the slanderer". I am not sure what that means in this context.

    • @user-ale7723
      @user-ale7723 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP No, on the contrary, you are an artist, but you like elegance and slowness in your work

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +2

      @@user-ale7723Thanks for your kind feedback.
      I have never used google translate from Arabic before. Between English-and German it is pretty good.

    • @user-ale7723
      @user-ale7723 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMP It's okay, my friend, I wish you success and success always

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Thank you. I wish you great success as well.

  • @nilzlima3027
    @nilzlima3027 Місяць тому +1

    might you be interested in making another one for someone else? that person being me...

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Sorry, I already moved on to the next video, and am so busy I will not be able to revisit that.

    • @nilzlima3027
      @nilzlima3027 Місяць тому +1

      @@RotarySMPis that next video by chance how you set up production for those fancy cutters on your sweet cnc setup? that would be interesting too..... just sayin'.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      @@nilzlima3027On it :)

  • @hk74654
    @hk74654 Місяць тому +1

    I'd have loved to watch MotoGP, but ServusTV stopped broadcasting in Germany, so F'in Sky TV of all scumbag companies scooped up the exclusive rights to broadcast MotoGP in Germany, meaning I also can't just go to ServusTVs streaming site, since that just tells me it's not available in my country. So I guess I'll just watch the highlights this season since I'm not about to burn 30€ a month on Sky just to watch a few hours on a few weekends. Screw 'em.

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

      Or use a VPN to set your country to Austria? They are still broad casting it here on TV and live streaming online.

  • @ll6261
    @ll6261 Місяць тому +1

    Unmöglich. Erst mal Ausrichten.

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 Місяць тому +1

    G'day mate! Regarding the Hacksaw, I'll be in England in April so might try to snag one while I'm there. I know it's a false economy considering how much the plane ticket was
    The new lathe is running beautifully. It's weird not seeing you tinkering with it!
    [edit] The hacksaw in the UK is 15 pounds on Amazon. I think I'll get a couple and prepare to be stopped by customs and "bOrDEr sECuriTy" on the way back to the states 🤔

    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому

      Hi Vince, I still have plenty of tinkering to do, but it is much more usable than it was before I made the control panel.

  • @pawekowalski7469
    @pawekowalski7469 Місяць тому +1

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    • @RotarySMP
      @RotarySMP  Місяць тому +1

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