The expert doesn't appear to be talking about the basic knowledge that's available online, if you know where to look. I'll suggest the following two individuals who have been pilots and have flown a Boeing 737-800. Neither one is coming to a conclusive answer, but for anyone interested in the protocols involved with incidents like the S.Korea aircraft, the procedures for landing safely, they're both well experienced. Pilot Blog (Denys Davydov) and blancolirio (Juan Brown) both on UA-cam. Some may recognise Denys from his reporting on the war in Ukraine, where he was a pilot who flew Boeing 737 passenger airliners.
A concrete wall just beyond the end of the runway? Everyone in the plane was alive until the plane hit the concrete block. Who decided to build the concrete block there? The (wheel-up) landing looked sound.
They were coming in the opposite way on the runway, but either way, it shouldn’t have been there. Question is why such and uncontrolled landing in the first place also
I say the birds struck the engine but ALSO STRUCK the windshield pearcing it and hitting both pilots and blood and gore over the controls. The co pilot was unconscious and the captain also injured struggled to handle the plane by himself and simply forgot or did not have the time to release the gear while also making a tight turn. Injured and with controls covered with gore he did not have time to release the gear and also caused him to land in the middle of the runway
I'm not a pilot, but could it be that the runway is too short for flights in rural areas or provinces? Or perhaps the pilot wasn't aware of the concrete wall at the end of the runway?
It almost seems like a perfect landing. I can’t believe the airplane is intact and skidding along the runway. If it had been more of a bad landing perhaps it would have stopped quicker? However, the speed was too fast so maybe that wouldn’t have helped. Condolences to all.
No emergency preparations were evident as the plane moved to land without landing gear down. I presume the pilot went for second landing attempt with the landing gears down but halfway engine 2 encountered bird strike and disable the engine as well as the hydraulic system which retracted the landing gesrs . Thus the plane had to land on its belly with all systems down as the plane glided helplessly towards its final faith😊
If both engines were out during a bird strike the plane couldn`t have attempted to land,turn around and do it again.From Mayday until landing was 6-7 minutes flying from a low altitude,the palne couldn`t stay up in the air that long.Two bad engines? No way. One bad engine? they could have got the landing gear down. I say it was fatigue,panic and not going through the emergency check list or not a whole lot of training on a simulator.
So 1st, landing gear did not work, then 2nd, bird strike on go around, 3rd, let's quickly land before something else goes wrong, better than safely flying around up here!
All birds should carry transponders so they are visible on tcas , that should be the law.. We all have to report to traffic control but birds don't have to.. They dont have more rights than people
Someone who couldn't do proper research at all and why wasn't the ceo present when the other person had to address the situation to the families of their loved ones being killed in that plane crash that doesn't make sense
I don't think so. While we need a full investigation to be sure, from what I have seen so far, the most likely cause of this crash will be the pilots who made a hasty and irresponsible landing after getting panicked by a bird strike and the main cause of casualties is that dumb concrete design. There was no hydraulic system failure that couldn't have been handled. I am 90% sure it will be a case of a mishandled emergency.
@@davidblurton7158 You are assuming someone tried it. The standard procedure is to go for a holding pattern to sort things out (i.e., configure the systems). My guess is they rushed through and took a teardrop approach to immediately land again giving them very little time to go through the procedures or prepare the plane for landing configuration. The lack of time resulted in many pilot errors.
والله ماتكلمت الا من الجوع والفقر وضيق الحال سِالُتتكِ بّالُلُُه انَ تْنَقًذَنَا قًبّلُ انَ نَمٌوَتْ مٌنَ شِدِتْ الُجْوَع انَتٌْخيَكِ انَيَ دٌِخلُةِ ْعلُى الُلُُه تْمٌ ْعلُيَكِ انَيَ فَيَ وَجُْهك انَـيَ اخـتْكِ انَـيَ اتْرَجْـاكِ اتْـوَسِـلُ الُـيَـكِ انَـقًـذَنَا لُـوَجُْـه الُـلُُـه. يَــشِــُهدِ الُــلُــُه يَاٌخـيَ انَ مٌنَ الُــصّــبّاحُ حُـتْا الُـانَ يَــحُــرَمٌ ْعـــلُيَـنَـا الاكل غير الماء ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه من اليمن نازحين من انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب 500 ريال يمني مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967713342392 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا>^€>^>€^>€>^¢^
The expert doesn't appear to be talking about the basic knowledge that's available online, if you know where to look. I'll suggest the following two individuals who have been pilots and have flown a Boeing 737-800. Neither one is coming to a conclusive answer, but for anyone interested in the protocols involved with incidents like the S.Korea aircraft, the procedures for landing safely, they're both well experienced. Pilot Blog (Denys Davydov) and blancolirio (Juan Brown) both on UA-cam. Some may recognise Denys from his reporting on the war in Ukraine, where he was a pilot who flew Boeing 737 passenger airliners.
That tall easily accessible for removal dead grass on airport property is another safety related no - no.
A concrete wall just beyond the end of the runway? Everyone in the plane was alive until the plane hit the concrete block. Who decided to build the concrete block there? The (wheel-up) landing looked sound.
Dirt berm, not concrete wall...was the problem.
More like a reinforced concrete foundation pad in a dirt berm.
How close was the water?
They were coming in the opposite way on the runway, but either way, it shouldn’t have been there. Question is why such and uncontrolled landing in the first place also
All of these stories are premature assumptions until Black Box data analysis are done.
Execpt the wall that killed everyone, everything else inside the black box
Rear-facing crew seats with shoulder harnesses
"Jeju Air crash mystery soon to be revealed says Aviation expert". "A new dawn soon to be revealed say Sleeping expert".
No mention of the big concrete structure the plane disintegrated into, not far from the end of the runway?
Pray for them full stop May their souls rest in peace.
I say the birds struck the engine but ALSO STRUCK the windshield pearcing it and hitting both pilots and blood and gore over the controls. The co pilot was unconscious and the captain also injured struggled to handle the plane by himself and simply forgot or did not have the time to release the gear while also making a tight turn. Injured and with controls covered with gore he did not have time to release the gear and also caused him to land in the middle of the runway
I'm not a pilot, but could it be that the runway is too short for flights in rural areas or provinces? Or perhaps the pilot wasn't aware of the concrete wall at the end of the runway?
The elevated poured concrete base hiding under the ILS array, which was conveniently disguised to appear as a simple earth berm , that one ?
It almost seems like a perfect landing. I can’t believe the airplane is intact and skidding along the runway. If it had been more of a bad landing perhaps it would have stopped quicker? However, the speed was too fast so maybe that wouldn’t have helped. Condolences to all.
Maby there whould be maximum 2 dead if that conkret wall didn't exists.
@@juliustomtejaveln I think a lot of airports have fairly short runways and if not concrete walls then buildings, roads or some other hazards.
@@infostudy101 Brazilian airport (VIX VITORIA AIRPORT) has concrete wall too, near beach.
Evidently, the same aircraft put out a Mayday some days before.
I read that was a medical emergency.
What a bad angle to bring up Boeing. What does that have to do w/ anything?
Band wagon.
incompetent pilot shut another engine by mistake
How do you know?
@@fireflyrobertVery good question 👍....... SPECULATION!
@@fireflyrobert you will see
Looking like the wrong engine was shut down the aircraft became a glider a rushed landing too fast and a daft wall at end of the runway
No emergency preparations were evident as the plane moved to land without landing gear down. I presume the pilot went for second landing attempt with the landing gears down but halfway engine 2 encountered bird strike and disable the engine as well as the hydraulic system which retracted the landing gesrs . Thus the plane had to land on its belly with all systems down as the plane glided helplessly towards its final faith😊
If both engines were out during a bird strike the plane couldn`t have attempted to land,turn around and do it again.From Mayday until landing was 6-7 minutes flying from a low altitude,the palne couldn`t stay up in the air that long.Two bad engines? No way. One bad engine? they could have got the landing gear down.
I say it was fatigue,panic and not going through the emergency check list or not a whole lot of training on a simulator.
So 1st, landing gear did not work, then 2nd, bird strike on go around, 3rd, let's quickly land before something else goes wrong, better than safely flying around up here!
All birds should carry transponders so they are visible on tcas , that should be the law.. We all have to report to traffic control but birds don't have to.. They dont have more rights than people
One engine was in reverse.
Just sad.
Not a good idea to speculate before the CVR and the FDR have been inspected.
They have ATC to give some clues right away!
Anyone know who this aviation expert is?
Someone who couldn't do proper research at all and why wasn't the ceo present when the other person had to address the situation to the families of their loved ones being killed in that plane crash that doesn't make sense
They may have shut off the good engine
But as U can see engine sound while on the landing n it's with high speed means... engine aren't completely shuts....
at least free fall the landing gear,,,,,
@@davidblurton7158Probably made no difference the aircraft was travelling too fast.
There are various factors being mentioned, such as a bird strike, but the main cause is likely a failure in the hydraulic system.
I don't think so.
While we need a full investigation to be sure, from what I have seen so far, the most likely cause of this crash will be the pilots who made a hasty and irresponsible landing after getting panicked by a bird strike and the main cause of casualties is that dumb concrete design. There was no hydraulic system failure that couldn't have been handled. I am 90% sure it will be a case of a mishandled emergency.
@@kbboy101 cant understand why the landing gear not at least free falled
@@davidblurton7158 You are assuming someone tried it.
The standard procedure is to go for a holding pattern to sort things out (i.e., configure the systems). My guess is they rushed through and took a teardrop approach to immediately land again giving them very little time to go through the procedures or prepare the plane for landing configuration. The lack of time resulted in many pilot errors.
@@kbboy101 no read what i said no assumptions made just dont understand why the landing gear not free falled
"the hydraulic system" The 737 is an old design and has two. Modern aircraft have three. But it's complicated...
Pilot confused?
panicked.
Or with bad intentions
Rip
What about the Russian angle?
Blame it on Ukraine 😂
You have to search your bottox for that one.
Empty fuel
والله ماتكلمت الا من الجوع والفقر وضيق الحال سِالُتتكِ بّالُلُُه انَ تْنَقًذَنَا قًبّلُ انَ نَمٌوَتْ مٌنَ شِدِتْ الُجْوَع انَتٌْخيَكِ انَيَ دٌِخلُةِ ْعلُى الُلُُه تْمٌ ْعلُيَكِ انَيَ فَيَ وَجُْهك انَـيَ اخـتْكِ انَـيَ اتْرَجْـاكِ اتْـوَسِـلُ الُـيَـكِ انَـقًـذَنَا لُـوَجُْـه الُـلُُـه. يَــشِــُهدِ الُــلُــُه يَاٌخـيَ انَ مٌنَ الُــصّــبّاحُ حُـتْا الُـانَ يَــحُــرَمٌ ْعـــلُيَـنَـا الاكل غير الماء ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه من اليمن نازحين من انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب 500 ريال يمني مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967713342392 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا>^€>^>€^>€>^¢^
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