As always, interesting comments guys. The fact that Mercedes Benz would provide you this flagship EV for review speaks to the credibility that Monroe Assoc has within the automotive industry.
It's that they and the rest of the German legacy guys are scared poopless now and see that Munro has got a lot more ***right*** on electric (and whole body casting, direction of the market, etc. ad infinitum) than what they all thought before. Munro is the best in the biz!
I have literally learned so much just watching your videos, many times over and over, taking notes all time. What a blessing this is! Thank you always!
Cory, Kevin and Munro associates never thought Id see the day my geek out mentality on engineering and vehicles would find a channel devoted to same. Its so enlightening that there are 278,000 of us out there. Wait 278,000 takes us from nerds to mainstream. Keep on doing what you are doing there is 278,000 that look forward to the granular detail on the bleeding edge of automotive transport......EVs
The two metal z shaped brackets hanging from the trunk tub have a purpose. They allow the under panel to flap with the air passing over it and isolating the cabin from the vibration.
I cannot get over the fact that Mercedes gave YOU GUYS a car to look at that was leaking coolant. Incredible that some dealers are marking these up $50k. Looking forward to the Rivian teardown!
@@nononsenseBennett Why? OEM's frequently give away cars for things like this, but always one that have been absolutely destroyed by reviewers and journalists. The phrase "nothing handles like a rental" is especially true when you look at how those press cars are treated.
@@Sidowse Yes, and you know what can cause coolent to leak and seals to fail? Reviewers and Journalists doing things that the car was never intended to do. Simon, have you got any more observations to share about the video that don't actually communicate anything useful?
Yet another great one guys. Interesting to get to peak underneath the EQS. But what I got really excited about is the news about the Rivian tear down and real testing .Do hard core off road testing as well. I so look forward to the Rivian tear downs.
I have learned a lot watching your videos, very addictive and very well explained! Most components are easily accessible !Thank you for this awesome video
Because the Ev is supposed to be the overall solution of our climat problems, it’s a advantage for maintenance not to integrate every function into the MOST expensive component of the car, the HV-battery. If there is a Probleme with a condensator, Switch or relais you can replace that component separately from the battery (600 up to 800 kg weight). I think the decentralization of HV components has disadvantages on the Production cost side, but its a big adavantage for a long life of a vehicle. But I’m very skeptical that Evs will be keep over 20 years on the road as normal combustion vehicles can easily do. Those environmental friendly cars will be electrical scrap as an iPhone after 6 years.
The rotor design you noticed is the same design as is used on the Model 3 Performance. If I'm not mistaken its a Brembo patented design that went unused for a while. There's some benefit to the design over a simple cast part, but a good aftermarket 2 piece rotor either full floating or fixed with an air pump design is stronger, lighter, and performs better on the track in addition to being serviceable with new rotor rings when the originals are worn out.
@@Formula400PontiacThey almost never talk about repair cost, they would integrate the whole car and make it one piece, just because it is easier to assembly and cheaper, but you make it a single use device, a repair means changing super expensive parts.
Best, and only video, on EQS engineering highlights. Well done. Built like a tank. Yes there is extra bracing and insulation on everything, that's why it glides like an isolation vault down the road. NVH and safety are critical operating priorities for a luxury sedan. There is a big difference between a company that has been building cars for over a hundred years and one that has just been around for a decade. The little hanging brackets have a purpose; they are "sacrificial" and allow some "give" to what is a noncritical cover/ aerodynamic fairing which given it position will be in harms way. They avoid damage to more critical and much more expensive components, I'm fairly certain that rear composite material tub is way more expensive that a couple of thin metal strips. Well done! I can't wait for your next instalment.
This car has been in development since 1995. Almost as long as Tesla has been around. They wanted to get it right, on the first round. They wsnted to avoid the Tesla syndrome of handing costumers "beta" vehicles with promises that mostly went unfulfiled. No updates required.
@@fran6897 In fact no. The price of Tesla parts is as high if not higher than most if not all mainsteam manufacturers. Just take a gander at the multiple price shock stories of tesla owners repairing body damage. Even worse, people waiting for months on end for parts. You could expect that from internationally sourced parts but from a US manufacturer? Crazy.
Won't Mercedes be surprised when you send back their car in bits & pieces in crates. Ha ha. Cheers from Northern California!! As always very informative!!
Looks good. Hope they can use the same platform and integrate the bolted appendices. The serviceability access seems to be well tought. price must go down. Great to see this eletric compelling Mercedes. Waiting for the Rivian test and tear down.
Nothing about Mercedes is quality. When my 1 year old Mercedes squirtet hydraulic oil on me and my interior I went to Lexus and got myself a LS460, still not one problem since 2013.
My model Y spent nearly 4 of the 7 months I owned it at the shop. I know this is a vastly different price point but issues aren’t exclusive to any manufacturers
AC charger is there because this platform will be used for 7-Seater SUV with sliding seats and many other cars. Meaning the battery pack has to be flat. Audi (VW) PPE platform has the charger integrated in the battery pack but the MEB (VW) platform doesn't. That's because MEB is used for Vans (ID Buzz Cargo) - the battery needs to be flat.
T also makes the whole car much more serviceable than any tesla in case of problems. Tesla is basically copying apple and reducing the accès to their cars more and more which is a crime tbh!
@@alanmay7929 Exactly those environmental friendly technology which will be solution for all our climat problems will be electronic scrap like an 6 year old iPhone.
@@visionmodernclassics3062 lol….. there is basically no waste in todays electric cars! The used batteries can e repurposed and used as energy storage at home or in an RV, the charger/ inverters and other parts can be repurposed and reprogrammed/ modified to convert other cars to EV…. And having less Integrated parts makes it even better for second hand use.
thanks Father Stuttgart and thanks Kevin/Cory. i was definitely NOT expecting one of these brutes to go up on the lift (saves me the trouble) so this is a nice bonus going into the weekend. 👍 22:33 - "Hey what about this". yes i am one of the guys who thought you just totally ignored that rear EPS unit. Merc's RWS implementation (to see if it was single or double) was the primary reason why I wanted to get a look underneath an EQS. Stuttgart Cousins Porsche I believe use a double set up (separate L/R actuators) on the rear of 911's so i'm guessing they've kept that layout on the Taycan...? maybe you can talk them into giving you a loaner next (with RWS).
For a fixed connection, there is no need to use stranded cables. Weight for weight, aluminium is more conductive than copper. It could be stranded, but a solid pure aluminium busbar (with suitable electrical insulation over the top) is the least cost and most effective.
16:15 - can't comment for all manufacturers, but the front and rear ride height sensors are usually for the headlight leveling systems required on HID's. You're probably correct that with the air suspension they have additional sensors for suspension monitoring.
One if the basic things you learn in engineering is to design also having in mind that parts do break and in that case you want to have some cheap, simple part that breaks and not the big, complicated, expensive one. So, if an integrated bracket breaks because there is a piece of wood or some stone on the road, you are do to what, change the complex expensive part for such a common, basic unfortune? No, you change the 0.5 cents piece and thats it.
Exactly, sandy Munro has already brainwashed people about vertical integration that everything has to be in one giant part, Teslas are already the most expensive cars to repair imagine if Mercedes’ did the same stupid design!? They can vertically integrate some parts but not everything tbh!
@@alanmay7929 Vertical integration is bringing as much as possible of the supply chain in house, not simplifying assembly. Making the front and rear underbody from one part is not stupid.
I suspect that the brackets are intended to be flexible and to maintain an airgap between the undertray and whatever's above it so that it can flex a bit when something hits it.
I remember a few weeks ago, Sandy was complaining about the necessity in the automobile industry to have physical steering column connections (steer by wire is not allowed). it seems to be possible for the rear axle though.
Can't wait for the Rivian off road test with Sandy driving and Sue as a passenger! Also will be interesting to see what's under the "bonnet" of the Merc.
Can't wait to see the rivian towing can you dig into the range effects while towing please. Been considering an electric pickup but not a lot of info on range while towing out there.
I'd like to see a complete tear-down of this vehicle to determine where it's weak links are (the 50 cent hidden o-ring that totals some ICE cars for example) and in particular, the motor. I'd also like to know if the motor was designed in-house or by another company (like Magna).
Can you guys do a Lucid Air GT tear down? Start a crowd funding if needed. It’s the most direct comparison to what you have done with Tesla, as only Lucid and Tesla design and produce in house their powertrain.
Because the Ev is supposed to be the overall solution of our climat problems, it’s a advantage for maintenance not to integrate every function into the MOST expensive component of the car, the HV-battery. If there is a problem with a condensator, switch or relais you can replace that component separately from the battery (600 up to 800 kg weight). I think the decentralization of HV components has disadvantages on the Production cost side, but its a big adavantage for a long life of a vehicle. But I’m very skeptical that Evs will be keep over 20 years on the road as normal combustion vehicles can easily do. Those environmental friendly cars will be electrical scrap as an iPhone after 6 years.
Exactly. I'd happily trade a frunk i'll never use to have access to more components in an "Engine Bay". Serviceability is so important, and something that some EV only manufacturers just refuse to engineer into their vehicles.
Keeping ICE cars 20 years on the road is far from easy. It involves a lot of maintenance and repairs. Just look at the car wizard or whatever repair channel. BEVs will be much more easier to keep on the road that long. They may lose some battery capacity, but they will break down a lot less than an ICE.
@@computercrack we will see 😉...nobody will invest over 10.000 Dollar or more for a replacement battery in a 10 year old EV which has market value of maybe 8000 to 9000 dollar. There are already many expamples on the market were this decision has already to be made: - BMW i3 60Ah first generation - Smart 451 ev (=> replacement battery costs over 15.000 Euro, if you are lucky to get one) - Tesla Roadster (look at the valves of used cars 😂, the isolation of the IGBTs at the power electronic aged rapidity, the event of short circuit is high , worst case: the howl car burn down because the main fuse is not able to cut the short circuit current ) Those cars will be scrapped....it’s all about the money. A BEV might have less „turning“ parts compaired to an ICE but if something fails (relais, hv switches, condensator) the repair costs are in most cases higher than the value of the car. Compaired to an BEV the repair costs of an combustion engine are cheap.
Like your videos. Still wondering when yiu actually review the hoist, which seems outdated design, wire?? since you mess around with supports, lol. Here we use spindles with non loaded safety nut since my wife was young, no locking mechanism ect, so looking forward to your take on those OEM design grade hoists:)
@@SpaceReportNews Mercedes does sell itself as a luxury car company, I've owned five and Tesla's quality hasn't caught up to Mercedes in some ways, but it's close enough that my wife and I are about to buy our first Tesla over a Mercedes. Those Tesla marshmallow seats are to die for! Though I'm going to miss having the seat controls in the upper door area. I'm going to miss the little red triangles in the Mercedes rear view mirrors and where Tesla put the video display of its cameras in the center console doesn't help me any where near what those triangles in the mirrors accomplish and yet Tesla can change that with a software update, truly amazing! Where Tesla puts their rear view camera in the model 3, I've seen it ice over, get covered with snow on lots of occasions. On my Mercedes...N E V E R. If you're going to say it's an easy fix just to wipe off, why should I have to even do that, isn't that but a part of the definition of luxury. I don't mean this as a diss towards Tesla I actually mean it as a compliment, but Honda in the 80's with their 1.6 liter engines were a model of efficiency, especially compared to American cars of that era, and for their time they were fast enough and didn't kill you at the gas station, AND they had double wishbone suspensions on all 4 wheels. You got efficiency and awesome handling and a smile on your face. So Tesla is to me is a Honda in it's efficiency especially compared to Honda's 80's cars, and the fact the model three has a wishbone suspension in the front and a multilink in the back along with much lower center of gravity that ICE cars can mostly wish for, for me is a no brainer. What goes into the Tesla battery and Motor, is the stuff of science fiction, for me that's the most important part of a car because that's the heart of the car and if you can't get that right well, doesn't matter type of car company you call yourself. So as you can see in my long see saw writing of this is that I agree with you but just not 100% 🙂
@@marksherman2862 I agree with you 100% I also want to add that Tesla’s mission was never to make luxurious EV’s it’s always been to accelerate the transition to sustainable energy and transport. I wish more well-off people recognized this. Also enjoy your Tesla when you get it!
Great seeing you have a look at the first purpose platform EV from Mercedes! Very interesting video, as always! Too bad that 1) there's a coolant leak already, 2) you don't do a full teardown. I'd love to see how the body in white is done.
Just want to give a shout out to Kevin for without his great skill in photography of zooming in and covering all of what everyone says when discussing stuff this channel would not be as meaningful.
I bought a new Model X in 2017 with a 19 kw on board charger. I own a model 3 base model which I did not realize came with 7kw on board charger. The dual motors and all the other Teslas offer only the 11 kw on board charger. In the USA you pay your electric company on kwh’s not volts. 220 Volt circuit charge faster. So less time means less kwh’s. Many of the Leaf’s and Bolts only offer 3-6 kw on board chargers. I would of paid the dual motor option with the 11 kw on board charger. 7 vs 11 kw makes a huge difference in speed and cost of your monthly electricity. I live in Hawaii where electricity is 37 cents/kwh, day or night. You need solar and a battery if you want the benefit of gas over EV cost. Many people work during the day and must wait to charge at night but rates are still 37cents/ kwh. You must charge during the day with solar and use you battery storage and some grid if need to charge at night.
The underside of this EQ looks just like an ICE car, with an electric motor added. The ICE design team, didn't seem to think that any NEW design/interpretation, was necessary !
In fact its completely different skateboard architecture. However, given that they already have some of the best suspension and brake components in the industry, they simply grafted them to the skateboard. The suspension is almost pure S class, calibrated to work with a much heavier car. The brakes calipers are completely different. As expected from a company with 100 years of building cars for roads without a speed limit, the rotors are enormous all around. The AMG has even bigger rotors up front, or if you wish optional carbon ceramic rotors for repeated perfect braking performance in track conditions. The carbon ceramics don't brake any better but they can high speed brake time and time again without fade.
@@abraxastulammo9940 In Europe almost all cars rated for towing plus many have a nifty, self deploying, towing ball with a hidden hitch. In the US the regulations are ancient and geared for trucks. Most european manufacturers simply don't want to go through the process of certifying their sedans to tow. The only alternative is to go after market and use part that hang below the car and look horrible.
@@Wised1000 allmost all ICE cars yes, PHEV and BEV's not so much below 40k price point. Leaf, Zoe, Ioniq, ID.3, e-208, corsa-e, etc etc all no tow rating with sometimes just a towing ball option to support a bicycle carrier. Even the Model 3 has to be ordered with actual towing capacity otherwise it's rated at 0 kg.
On board charger. The control wires are not protected at all where they enter the unit/plug. There should be a strain relief device and a water resistant boot or molded plug or something to protect them. Unless you folks removed something, this is a problem waiting to happen.
@@Wised1000 if you see how it was done on the plaid the tesla is a pos...built by idiots...but the tesla physicians make claims that tesla is so automated..blah blah blah...benz,audi,vw all are,obviously tesla still has paint brushes touches up mis applying sealants...tesla will never be the build quality of Benz porsche audi...details matter according to munro,and the details in a tesla is horrible...you tube of porsche factory show perfectly applied sealants after dipping...the tesla looks like a high school shop class effort
Hmm I remember Tesla using the same underbody material on the early Model 3 builds and that did not go well at all. Surprised MB would use the same materials even if there is a weight savings compared to plastic.
Many manufacturers use this material, one of the first was Acura. Its preferred because it is much quieter than simple plastic, thus you get the same amount of protection and wear resistance plus, its a noise dampener all in one.
Modern cars are still such a rat's Nest of pipes and fittings and bolts and wires I'd love to see how aliens construct their UFOs. How do we eliminate much of this while still maintaining a safe capable vehicle that's also repairable? I love watching these videos because it reminds me of playing with Legos as a kid and trying to construct something that not only looked great but was actually very durable.
It’s Mercedes after all 🤷♂️ that’s not even crazy, what till you see their bouncing suspensions that even moves the car in corners to the opposite side.
I always find Munro's videos amusing. They're excellent engineers but they really miss the point that all products need to be built for usability. What may not be the best choice from a packaging point of view of a charger for example, results in better seat room etc. The a vehicle like this it's all about passenger comfort, whereas with a car in the price bracket of a Model 3 it makes more sense to raise the rear seat and make it less comfortable in order to get the charger into a better location.
As always, interesting comments guys. The fact that Mercedes Benz would provide you this flagship EV for review speaks to the credibility that Monroe Assoc has within the automotive industry.
It's that they and the rest of the German legacy guys are scared poopless now and see that Munro has got a lot more ***right*** on electric (and whole body casting, direction of the market, etc. ad infinitum) than what they all thought before. Munro is the best in the biz!
I have literally learned so much just watching your videos, many times over and over, taking notes all time. What a blessing this is! Thank you always!
Thanks for watching!
More great stuff. Suggestion. Consider using a laser pointer when you’re showing us suspension bits?
Thank you Cory and Kevin for an excellent engineering analysis!
Thanks!
Cory, Kevin and Munro associates never thought Id see the day my geek out mentality on engineering and vehicles would find a channel devoted to same. Its so enlightening that there are 278,000 of us out there. Wait 278,000 takes us from nerds to mainstream. Keep on doing what you are doing there is 278,000 that look forward to the granular detail on the bleeding edge of automotive transport......EVs
Thanks Sandy for having your engineering pros diagnose the Mercedes EQS on a hoist. I am impressed that Mercedes leant you the car to review.
The two metal z shaped brackets hanging from the trunk tub have a purpose. They allow the under panel to flap with the air passing over it and isolating the cabin from the vibration.
Yeah and also some flex when people drive over things scrape the under side which otherwise would break the plastic.
@@mrm1885
I'd sack my chauffeur.
I cannot get over the fact that Mercedes gave YOU GUYS a car to look at that was leaking coolant. Incredible that some dealers are marking these up $50k. Looking forward to the Rivian teardown!
Indeed, very embarrassing to the manufacturer!
@@nononsenseBennett Why? OEM's frequently give away cars for things like this, but always one that have been absolutely destroyed by reviewers and journalists. The phrase "nothing handles like a rental" is especially true when you look at how those press cars are treated.
@@Sidowse Yes, and you know what can cause coolent to leak and seals to fail? Reviewers and Journalists doing things that the car was never intended to do. Simon, have you got any more observations to share about the video that don't actually communicate anything useful?
They're not going to tear down the Rivian. Sandy and his wife both like it alot, so they decided to keep it.
@@charlesball6519 they have another rivian that they’re using for tear down. Already have a couple videos posted… go check them out
🤗👍THANKS CORY AND KEVIN FOR GIVING US A PEEK 🫣 UNDERNEATH THE CAR
AND WE THANK ERIC…WHO IS GETTING A REAL WORKOUT 😅😍😍😍
Eric needs it! 💪
best video for the eqs online yet.....SO MANY reviews without substance all over youtube
Another hoist review
m.ua-cam.com/video/Qiz4tXCSWpA/v-deo.html
From 6 Months ago. ;-)
Yet another great one guys. Interesting to get to peak underneath the EQS. But what I got really excited about is the news about the Rivian tear down and real testing .Do hard core off road testing as well. I so look forward to the Rivian tear downs.
Thanks for uploading all this knowledge to UA-cam for free. You guys are amazing and driving all of us to a better world.
I have learned a lot watching your videos, very addictive and very well explained! Most components are easily accessible !Thank you for this awesome video
Very good walk through. Find the detail sublime. Thanks
I’ve seen you refer to the portion of the battery that sticks up under the rear seat as a penthouse. Great show!
Because the Ev is supposed to be the overall solution of our climat problems, it’s a advantage for maintenance not to integrate every function into the MOST expensive component of the car, the HV-battery.
If there is a Probleme with a condensator, Switch or relais you can replace that component separately from the battery (600 up to 800 kg weight). I think the decentralization of HV components has disadvantages on the Production cost side, but its a big adavantage for a long life of a vehicle. But I’m very skeptical that Evs will be keep over 20 years on the road as normal combustion vehicles can easily do.
Those environmental friendly cars will be electrical scrap as an iPhone after 6 years.
The rotor design you noticed is the same design as is used on the Model 3 Performance. If I'm not mistaken its a Brembo patented design that went unused for a while. There's some benefit to the design over a simple cast part, but a good aftermarket 2 piece rotor either full floating or fixed with an air pump design is stronger, lighter, and performs better on the track in addition to being serviceable with new rotor rings when the originals are worn out.
The pure joy of engineering rings loud!
Is that 17:18 ? :P
The S shaped brackets are they to allow to bumps without breaking or damaging expensive large parts. Cheaper repairs?
I was thinking the same thing.
Pretty obvious to any technicians. How did they miss that?!
That is exactly right. The engineers at Mercedes are just smarter.
The guys are engineers and focused on cost and assembly.
@@Formula400PontiacThey almost never talk about repair cost, they would integrate the whole car and make it one piece, just because it is easier to assembly and cheaper, but you make it a single use device, a repair means changing super expensive parts.
Best and most thorough review of the EQS
Best, and only video, on EQS engineering highlights. Well done. Built like a tank. Yes there is extra bracing and insulation on everything, that's why it glides like an isolation vault down the road. NVH and safety are critical operating priorities for a luxury sedan. There is a big difference between a company that has been building cars for over a hundred years and one that has just been around for a decade. The little hanging brackets have a purpose; they are "sacrificial" and allow some "give" to what is a noncritical cover/ aerodynamic fairing which given it position will be in harms way. They avoid damage to more critical and much more expensive components, I'm fairly certain that rear composite material tub is way more expensive that a couple of thin metal strips. Well done! I can't wait for your next instalment.
This car has been in development since 1995. Almost as long as Tesla has been around. They wanted to get it right, on the first round. They wsnted to avoid the Tesla syndrome of handing costumers "beta" vehicles with promises that mostly went unfulfiled. No updates required.
But … Tesla parts are more often than not cheaper than from those other manufacturers mentioned.
@@fran6897 In fact no. The price of Tesla parts is as high if not higher than most if not all mainsteam manufacturers. Just take a gander at the multiple price shock stories of tesla owners repairing body damage. Even worse, people waiting for months on end for parts. You could expect that from internationally sourced parts but from a US manufacturer? Crazy.
21:55 consistent with typical German cars, start leaking soon after leaving factory
@@oodlespring ever check under your car?
Won't Mercedes be surprised when you send back their car in bits & pieces in crates. Ha ha. Cheers from Northern California!! As always very informative!!
Excellent. Your insights much appreciated
Looks good. Hope they can use the same platform and integrate the bolted appendices. The serviceability access seems to be well tought. price must go down. Great to see this eletric compelling Mercedes.
Waiting for the Rivian test and tear down.
EQE is the "cheap" variant. I think it starts at 60.000
What a nicely engineered vehicle!
That leak you found is interesting. I would not have expected a low-mileage, top-of-the-line Merc to have a leak like that.
Nothing about Mercedes is quality. When my 1 year old Mercedes squirtet hydraulic oil on me and my interior I went to Lexus and got myself a LS460, still not one problem since 2013.
My model Y spent nearly 4 of the 7 months I owned it at the shop. I know this is a vastly different price point but issues aren’t exclusive to any manufacturers
Yeah I’ve also seen a tesla plaid from Will Prouse with a catastrophic failure of the front drive unit/motor and door handles too lol….
Never thought I'd hear a Doom reference in one of these vids! Nicely done.
Wow! Glad they are pushing and doing unique things.
AC charger is there because this platform will be used for 7-Seater SUV with sliding seats and many other cars. Meaning the battery pack has to be flat. Audi (VW) PPE platform has the charger integrated in the battery pack but the MEB (VW) platform doesn't. That's because MEB is used for Vans (ID Buzz Cargo) - the battery needs to be flat.
T also makes the whole car much more serviceable than any tesla in case of problems. Tesla is basically copying apple and reducing the accès to their cars more and more which is a crime tbh!
@@alanmay7929 Exactly those environmental friendly technology which will be solution for all our climat problems will be electronic scrap like an 6 year old iPhone.
@@visionmodernclassics3062 lol….. there is basically no waste in todays electric cars! The used batteries can e repurposed and used as energy storage at home or in an RV, the charger/ inverters and other parts can be repurposed and reprogrammed/ modified to convert other cars to EV…. And having less Integrated parts makes it even better for second hand use.
@@visionmodernclassics3062 6 years old iPhones are still supported by apple for the records those aren’t scrap at all.
@@visionmodernclassics3062 thé iPhones 6 and 7 are still perfectly well usable even in 2022 with 16Gb of storage
thanks Father Stuttgart and thanks Kevin/Cory. i was definitely NOT expecting one of these brutes to go up on the lift (saves me the trouble) so this is a nice bonus going into the weekend. 👍 22:33 - "Hey what about this". yes i am one of the guys who thought you just totally ignored that rear EPS unit. Merc's RWS implementation (to see if it was single or double) was the primary reason why I wanted to get a look underneath an EQS. Stuttgart Cousins Porsche I believe use a double set up (separate L/R actuators) on the rear of 911's so i'm guessing they've kept that layout on the Taycan...? maybe you can talk them into giving you a loaner next (with RWS).
No Taycan has the same concept like eqs. 911 was because of the engine being in the wrong place for the steering rack you know.
@@computercrack ah okay, thanks. 👍
For a fixed connection, there is no need to use stranded cables. Weight for weight, aluminium is more conductive than copper. It could be stranded, but a solid pure aluminium busbar (with suitable electrical insulation over the top) is the least cost and most effective.
16:15 - can't comment for all manufacturers, but the front and rear ride height sensors are usually for the headlight leveling systems required on HID's. You're probably correct that with the air suspension they have additional sensors for suspension monitoring.
Automatic headlight leveling requirements is an European/UNECE specific issue. Nhtsa doesn't care.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
My buddies and I once caught over 2 feet of air in a 1985 Bronco II .
One if the basic things you learn in engineering is to design also having in mind that parts do break and in that case you want to have some cheap, simple part that breaks and not the big, complicated, expensive one. So, if an integrated bracket breaks because there is a piece of wood or some stone on the road, you are do to what, change the complex expensive part for such a common, basic unfortune? No, you change the 0.5 cents piece and thats it.
Exactly, sandy Munro has already brainwashed people about vertical integration that everything has to be in one giant part, Teslas are already the most expensive cars to repair imagine if Mercedes’ did the same stupid design!? They can vertically integrate some parts but not everything tbh!
@@alanmay7929 Vertical integration is bringing as much as possible of the supply chain in house, not simplifying assembly. Making the front and rear underbody from one part is not stupid.
@@alanmay7929 please cite a source for that claim of 'most expensive to repair'
@@bluetoad2668 How about the dude who was quoted $16k cos one of the coolant hose barbs snapped off the battery pack?
I suspect that the brackets are intended to be flexible and to maintain an airgap between the undertray and whatever's above it so that it can flex a bit when something hits it.
This must be my fastest click ever after seeing this video went live
I remember a few weeks ago, Sandy was complaining about the necessity in the automobile industry to have physical steering column connections (steer by wire is not allowed). it seems to be possible for the rear axle though.
Looking forward to the Rivian BOLTR.
I think that X member at 15:41 is for a compressive load during a turning event.
Excellent - again!
Can't wait for the Rivian off road test with Sandy driving and Sue as a passenger! Also will be interesting to see what's under the "bonnet" of the Merc.
I hope it has a giant and silent hepa system there.
Hope under the hood it's rodent proof, round here they get into everything!
Those are some beefy struts!
Can't wait to see the rivian towing can you dig into the range effects while towing please. Been considering an electric pickup but not a lot of info on range while towing out there.
When are you going to start dismantling the Skywell Imperium SUV I would like to know if this vehicle is well built.
Thanks to all the teams!
Maybe after we teardown our 2nd Rivian we just got.
Wow Cory rockin twin Glocks
Great Video !!!!
Thanks for watching!
I'd like to see a complete tear-down of this vehicle to determine where it's weak links are (the 50 cent hidden o-ring that totals some ICE cars for example) and in particular, the motor. I'd also like to know if the motor was designed in-house or by another company (like Magna).
I feel like Jordan's way of speaking and personality comes off like Winston Wolf from Pulp Fiction.
Thanks
Welcome
Surprised that coolant line at the front in front of the battery is free to move and knock around.
Mercedes is just amazing mindblowing an gamechanging!
Just what the 🌎 needs - another millionaires BEV. Still waiting for a 30k !!
try looking at TCO over 5 years.
Thanks Well Done
Putting the onboard charger at the corner edge of any vehicle is the kiss of death. Ask any Chevy volt owner, or insurance adjuster.
captivating video, TY
Can you guys do a Lucid Air GT tear down? Start a crowd funding if needed. It’s the most direct comparison to what you have done with Tesla, as only Lucid and Tesla design and produce in house their powertrain.
Do stiff integrated parts and electric lines handle an impact better than the soft and flexible ones?
The rear axle looks mighty thin compared to the front axle.
Because the Ev is supposed to be the overall solution of our climat problems, it’s a advantage for maintenance not to integrate every function into the MOST expensive component of the car, the HV-battery.
If there is a problem with a condensator, switch or relais you can replace that component separately from the battery (600 up to 800 kg weight).
I think the decentralization of HV components has disadvantages on the Production cost side, but its a big adavantage for a long life of a vehicle. But I’m very skeptical that Evs will be keep over 20 years on the road as normal combustion vehicles can easily do.
Those environmental friendly cars will be electrical scrap as an iPhone after 6 years.
Wise comment, in my opinion.
These guys have a real focus on production, not repairability, which is barely a concern of the OEMs anyway.
Exactly. I'd happily trade a frunk i'll never use to have access to more components in an "Engine Bay". Serviceability is so important, and something that some EV only manufacturers just refuse to engineer into their vehicles.
Keeping ICE cars 20 years on the road is far from easy. It involves a lot of maintenance and repairs. Just look at the car wizard or whatever repair channel. BEVs will be much more easier to keep on the road that long. They may lose some battery capacity, but they will break down a lot less than an ICE.
@@computercrack we will see 😉...nobody will invest over 10.000 Dollar or more for a replacement battery in a 10 year old EV which has market value of maybe 8000 to 9000 dollar. There are already many expamples on the market were this decision has already to be made:
- BMW i3 60Ah first generation
- Smart 451 ev (=> replacement battery costs over 15.000 Euro, if you are lucky to get one)
- Tesla Roadster (look at the valves of used cars 😂, the isolation of the IGBTs at the power electronic aged rapidity, the event of short circuit is high , worst case: the howl car burn down because the main fuse is not able to cut the short circuit current )
Those cars will be scrapped....it’s all about the money.
A BEV might have less „turning“ parts compaired to an ICE but if something fails (relais, hv switches, condensator) the repair costs are in most cases higher than the value of the car.
Compaired to an BEV the repair costs of an combustion engine are cheap.
Flexible cables can be related to easier repair and replacement. As MB has 100+ years of experience so they sometimes tend to think things like that.
What pops out is the rear steering!
Like your videos. Still wondering when yiu actually review the hoist, which seems outdated design, wire?? since you mess around with supports, lol.
Here we use spindles with non loaded safety nut since my wife was young, no locking mechanism ect, so looking forward to your take on those OEM design grade hoists:)
Thanks!!! Good to see what the luxury car makers are trying to do with EV's.
Complete nonsense. look at the interior quality, it’s lightyears ahead for the same price of a Plaid.
@@SpaceReportNews Even 2 times Roadster 2 account holders go EQS these days.
@@SpaceReportNews Mercedes does sell itself as a luxury car company, I've owned five and Tesla's quality hasn't caught up to Mercedes in some ways, but it's close enough that my wife and I are about to buy our first Tesla over a Mercedes.
Those Tesla marshmallow seats are to die for! Though I'm going to miss having the seat controls in the upper door area. I'm going to miss the little red triangles in the Mercedes rear view mirrors and where Tesla put the video display of its cameras in the center console doesn't help me any where near what those triangles in the mirrors accomplish and yet Tesla can change that with a software update, truly amazing!
Where Tesla puts their rear view camera in the model 3, I've seen it ice over, get covered with snow on lots of occasions. On my Mercedes...N E V E R. If you're going to say it's an easy fix just to wipe off, why should I have to even do that, isn't that but a part of the definition of luxury.
I don't mean this as a diss towards Tesla I actually mean it as a compliment, but Honda in the 80's with their 1.6 liter engines were a model of efficiency, especially compared to American cars of that era, and for their time they were fast enough and didn't kill you at the gas station, AND they had double wishbone suspensions on all 4 wheels. You got efficiency and awesome handling and a smile on your face.
So Tesla is to me is a Honda in it's efficiency especially compared to Honda's 80's cars, and the fact the model three has a wishbone suspension in the front and a multilink in the back along with much lower center of gravity that ICE cars can mostly wish for, for me is a no brainer.
What goes into the Tesla battery and Motor, is the stuff of science fiction, for me that's the most important part of a car because that's the heart of the car and if you can't get that right well, doesn't matter type of car company you call yourself.
So as you can see in my long see saw writing of this is that I agree with you but just not 100% 🙂
@@marksherman2862 I agree with you 100% I also want to add that Tesla’s mission was never to make luxurious EV’s it’s always been to accelerate the transition to sustainable energy and transport. I wish more well-off people recognized this. Also enjoy your Tesla when you get it!
@@andreavenaa , Thanks Dude!!
Awesome content!
Glad you enjoyed it, Pedro!
BTW what about taking those wheels off? I still don't know if the front calipers are 4 or six piston
Great seeing you have a look at the first purpose platform EV from Mercedes! Very interesting video, as always!
Too bad that 1) there's a coolant leak already, 2) you don't do a full teardown. I'd love to see how the body in white is done.
Those things happens no need to worry here, it’s not locking fuel, Tesla plaid are also having total motor failure too.
Rich Rebuilds also had a leaky Plaid. 😂
And more than likely this car being a press car it has been beaten pretty hard.
@@alanmay7929 Haha. In Europe Lexus has replaced 4 electric engines and 2 CVT electric motors of 1000000 cars. This cars are just build bad.
@@epoxy1710 that’s a false info lol….. stop lying to the public!
Just want to give a shout out to Kevin for without his great skill in photography of zooming in and covering all of what everyone says when discussing stuff this channel would not be as meaningful.
Concur in the awesome videography capturing the video while listening to the engineering comments spoken near him.
We have a great team at Munro
I wonder if I can swap that rear subframe into my W124 300e???
Very cool
also from below, perfect technology and design. Thanks. Going to teardown that beauty?
No tear down… it’s Mercedes’ press vehicle
How precise can designers get re noise? How much noise a component will make, and how much which types of sound deadening will work?
That's all worked out during development with the nvh department
Why are you guys using bolts and screws interchangeably?
I like it’s charger design. More serviceability .
I bought a new Model X in 2017 with a 19 kw on board charger. I own a model 3 base model which I did not realize came with 7kw on board charger. The dual motors and all the other Teslas offer only the 11 kw on board charger. In the USA you pay your electric company on kwh’s not volts. 220 Volt circuit charge faster. So less time means less kwh’s. Many of the Leaf’s and Bolts only offer 3-6 kw on board chargers. I would of paid the dual motor option with the 11 kw on board charger. 7 vs 11 kw makes a huge difference in speed and cost of your monthly electricity. I live in Hawaii where electricity is 37 cents/kwh, day or night. You need solar and a battery if you want the benefit of gas over EV cost. Many people work during the day and must wait to charge at night but rates are still 37cents/ kwh. You must charge during the day with solar and use you battery storage and some grid if need to charge at night.
I still save $400/month on gas and electricity with my solar and powerwall battery
Charging speed has next to no impact on cost. The battery holds the same kWh either way.
The underside of this EQ looks just like an ICE car, with an electric motor added.
The ICE design team, didn't seem to think that any NEW design/interpretation, was necessary !
Drivetrain is decoupled in a cage since EQC and EQS has a completely covered floor for aero.
In fact its completely different skateboard architecture. However, given that they already have some of the best suspension and brake components in the industry, they simply grafted them to the skateboard. The suspension is almost pure S class, calibrated to work with a much heavier car. The brakes calipers are completely different. As expected from a company with 100 years of building cars for roads without a speed limit, the rotors are enormous all around. The AMG has even bigger rotors up front, or if you wish optional carbon ceramic rotors for repeated perfect braking performance in track conditions. The carbon ceramics don't brake any better but they can high speed brake time and time again without fade.
Can’t wait for the tear down, will be interesting to see inside some of the components and compare to Tesla
Have they said they are tearing this down?
They said its not theirs to tear down. I assume its a rental.
@@TrevelyanOO6 Better to ask for forgiveness than permission: Right? :)
@@TrevelyanOO6 It's a loaner from Mercedes. Hence why they were thanking Mercedes at the end of the video for letting them use the car. .
@@clinton8432 absolutely not. They don’t own this
3:20 but the brackets are cheap to replace for the customer ift they hit something
Exactly they are sacrificial brackets.
Can we get a review of the eqs suv?
Nice!
Thanks for this program. Does this car have a towing ability? Do you know what the limit is? And can you see where they would mount them?
No. The car is not rated nor recommended for towing.
750 kg in Europe.
@@abraxastulammo9940 In Europe almost all cars rated for towing plus many have a nifty, self deploying, towing ball with a hidden hitch. In the US the regulations are ancient and geared for trucks. Most european manufacturers simply don't want to go through the process of certifying their sedans to tow. The only alternative is to go after market and use part that hang below the car and look horrible.
@@Wised1000 allmost all ICE cars yes, PHEV and BEV's not so much below 40k price point. Leaf, Zoe, Ioniq, ID.3, e-208, corsa-e, etc etc all no tow rating with sometimes just a towing ball option to support a bicycle carrier. Even the Model 3 has to be ordered with actual towing capacity otherwise it's rated at 0 kg.
@@Wised1000 REALLY?! NO TOWING!! Then it’s definitely Tesla Model Y for me then.
Sorry Eric. I meant to say Eric not Kevin.
On board charger. The control wires are not protected at all where they enter the unit/plug. There should be a strain relief device and a water resistant boot or molded plug or something to protect them. Unless you folks removed something, this is a problem waiting to happen.
Wrong!!!!! Everything is super well protected and there is a cover that they unbolted to have acces to those things unde the car lol…. Grow up!
@@alanmay7929 I covered that if you read the whole post.
Did the eqs have an SORB?
did I miss it? looks like it has rear steering??
the fasteners are replaceable, cant replace a tub easily. servicing is kept in mind
My #1 Questions are Does the interior still crunch & squeak ? & will the bumper stay on
It’s built like a Mercedes’ what do you expect!? Lol…
What is the engine model? Valeo-Siemens?
Will you guys have a hoist review of a Lyriq or Hummer EV?
Yes, eventually
And look how the seam sealant looks like it's put on by quality design not a dink with a paint brush
All that sealant is robot applied, that's why its so consistent.
@@Wised1000 if you see how it was done on the plaid the tesla is a pos...built by idiots...but the tesla physicians make claims that tesla is so automated..blah blah blah...benz,audi,vw all are,obviously tesla still has paint brushes touches up mis applying sealants...tesla will never be the build quality of Benz porsche audi...details matter according to munro,and the details in a tesla is horrible...you tube of porsche factory show perfectly applied sealants after dipping...the tesla looks like a high school shop class effort
You guys need a dedicated pointer so your hands/finger stay out of the shot especially in tight spaces
It looks like the castings on the rear are already corroding doesn't it?
nice!
Hmm I remember Tesla using the same underbody material on the early Model 3 builds and that did not go well at all. Surprised MB would use the same materials even if there is a weight savings compared to plastic.
Many manufacturers use this material, one of the first was Acura. Its preferred because it is much quieter than simple plastic, thus you get the same amount of protection and wear resistance plus, its a noise dampener all in one.
EQS is not equipped or available with heat pump.
Modern cars are still such a rat's Nest of pipes and fittings and bolts and wires I'd love to see how aliens construct their UFOs. How do we eliminate much of this while still maintaining a safe capable vehicle that's also repairable? I love watching these videos because it reminds me of playing with Legos as a kid and trying to construct something that not only looked great but was actually very durable.
MB are not confident in that changing module. That’s why it’s hanging halfway to replacement.
looks expensive underneath too!
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It’s Mercedes after all 🤷♂️ that’s not even crazy, what till you see their bouncing suspensions that even moves the car in corners to the opposite side.
I always find Munro's videos amusing. They're excellent engineers but they really miss the point that all products need to be built for usability. What may not be the best choice from a packaging point of view of a charger for example, results in better seat room etc. The a vehicle like this it's all about passenger comfort, whereas with a car in the price bracket of a Model 3 it makes more sense to raise the rear seat and make it less comfortable in order to get the charger into a better location.
That oil leak is very disturbing!
These hoist reviews don't mention the hoist at all
They won't integrate O.B. charger till know it won't go faulty