Warframe | The Declining State of A Great Game.
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Warframe has been around the block for a Long time. I don't see this game suddenly becoming irrelevant but games do naturally loose their "sheen" over time. Dose Warframe still have it's sheen? Or is I loosing it? Or maybe.. it lost it long time ago.
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If you dont like, go fuck your self and uninstall, its free, you dont complain for the free stuff in the world. Its easy, go to play minecraft or buy a game in steam ;)
and you dont have to play a single game 24/7 every day of the year for almost a decade....coming back to play and see new stuff/playing every now and then is just fine if you like and love a game (buy some roombas with plat to support DE you gits! :D)...but yeah the most important message indeed is ITS STILL FUCKING FREE (no premium bs like runescape or "first you have to buy the whole damn game + expansions and then give us more money perioidically like good old World of Activisioncraft)
Metamorfis "Oh BuT iTs FRee" thats such a bullshite argument tho lmfaoo, its still open to criticism because people care anout the game and may dislike the path they're taking. something being free doesn't mean its free from criticism
@@salliemckenna6668 +1
He's allowed to criticize it you know. Just because something is free doesn't mean it can't be criticized. Maybe he wants it to be something better than "Oh, it's free". Maybe he wants it to be something more, like the rest of us.
Sallie McKenna what a noob keep it up cristal girl! 😂 if u dont like it go to program your game.
Wouldn’t it be ironic to catch DE in a theatre for Endgame?
Introgame
Community might roast em live
@Not Drunk James Warframe has no endgame so they're seeking an endgame. Well, that's the gist of it.
@Not Drunk James it was a joke, it wasn't meant to be taken that literally lmao.
@Not Drunk James u gotta get drunk and chillax
I miss the prime trailers, so damn much
Hydroid Prime will remember that !
All limbo master race deserve justice too
@@rpamungkas13 I personally hate limbo but I can't deny how cool a prime trailer for him would be.
Those require actual effort. And seeing how much of that went to those arbitration "changes".
@@rpamungkas13 *Mr Primed Soon* will bring it
Garuda, Baruuk and Hyldrin lore, "Honey, I'm just going down the shops to buy a Warframe, you want anything while I'm there?"
Ive not seen much of garuda but i like hyldrin and baruuk
@@expertoflizardcorrugation3967 ...i think he meant how they "gated" these frames behind rep walls, without much lore or a quest, "forcing" ppl to grind harder or buy for plat... a lot of ppl i played with returned for those frames, saw the grind and then bought them saying " eff the grind" ':/
@@alessandrobaggi6129 Oh...
I mean, warframes with no lore isn't a new thing, Equinox (the standard one) didn't get any on her release, neither did Ivara, Wukong or Nezha
Hildyrn*
I always come back to warframe. I could be gone for a year and I'll still end up coming back
@blunt. Day 1 of the game
I've been gone for a year and a half, I don't think I'll be coming back anytime soon
Lol me 2
@@tazz4425 gotta have hope that de will make a huge comeback. Honestly I'm confident they will since they're so passionate about this game.
Kenneth Lee lol me too, DE handsdown is one of the best developers, i trust them.
It started with deleting dark sectors, which killed clans. Then they killed the void. Then they stopped doing events. Then they removed raids. Then they made big empty open worlds. Then they made long, boring, unrewarding arbitrations.
Then the Itzal became blinkless🤣
This is so accurate and true it hurts, like word for word
I wish I was able to do raids while they were there, by the time I was strong enough they were gone
I mean, raids constantly needed to be fixed and very few players actually played them because they were kind've boring and certainly not the type of scale a raid should be. So I can see why that happened. The open worlds are cool, I guess, but that's just it. Go in- get the few things you want. Never go back to again due to the lack of useful rewards outside of standing for Kitguns and the like. Dark sectors were cool in theory, just not so great in execution but the biggest problem and the one that ABSOLUTELY has needed to be fixed across the board for a long-ass time. Rewards. Arbitration rewards? Useless. Endless missions? Not really endless when it is counter-intuitive to stay past 20mins/waves/whatever.
lol i didn't see that "roadmap" comming... You know what? this comment should be framed and hanged at DE's office at every panel!
again some honest words i very much appreciate and can agree with. only thing left now is to actually hope "sparks" happen this year or next at the latest. i have a hunch tho that they are finally starting to get the message.
Ashisogi Tenno bro stop popping up in the videos I watch XD
I don't know if DE can change stuff for the better. The game mechanics itself are a dead end. Without changing the base of the game we will be in this limbo forever. And I don't think the community will be on board for a heavy game transition ...
Someone shout at Tennocon: DO YOU EVEN CARE ANYMORE?
did this dude get his partnership yet?
PS: he got it which was a surprise
I beg to differ. DE always learns the hard way and it takes them a long time to realize the mistakes they made. Steve has been on Twitter stating he's coasted before. The fact that Clan Jobs, Rail Jack, and other communal content is shelved really says it all.
I gonna say... I already stopped to play Warframe 3 time, and now I'm in the 4th time.
I'm not saying the game is bad, I'm saying the game is becoming boring throughout the time.
I have my main objective that is: get MR 30, have all MODs at Max out, having all scans, those "collection" things that I love.
But the game is getting so bored that I'm stopping playing one more time, launching the game just once per day to get the reward and leaving.
I just read MR 26, I know I could get MR 27 but I'm not in the mood to play Warfram because of it... It's boring, it is boring the hell out of me.
When the next Frame releases, I will join the game, get the Frame, put it in Rank 30 and leave the game again.
We will have now 1 new Frame, 5 new Weapons and 15 new MODs and I'm not excited about it because it's the same thing over and over again.
When Fortuna released with Orb Vallis I did think "it's a new thing, but it's an old thing... It's a new thing to the game, with new stuff to do, but it's Cetus + PoE all over again"
I didn't play Fortune and Orb Vallis for months... In this time I was in the "3rd stop", I saw the releasing and I thought "Nah... One day, when I hype to play again, I'll do it." and that's it.
To play Warframe I need to get hyped about it, I need to get excited to play it because... New stuff isn't new, are just the same thing and this doesn't excite me anymore.
I don't want to leave the game forever because I like the game, and all those years did teach me that I will return to the game one day, I just need to wait the right moment.
Now? No... Nah... Now I'm playing other games... I will get the new Frame, called Wisp, I will get the new weapons, can't say the same about the new MODs, but that's it.
You very clearly don’t have good knowledge on WF, Max MR is 29. Also there’s about 5000 mods.
And MAXED? Hahahahaha
Disgraced dude
Time stamp for this comment was a month ago.
Fucking chill the fuck out
Warframe need endgame that’s the biggest problem for me , I’m new but I see where veterans are coming from and can relate because other games. Warframes content is based on putting as much content to do upfront but that can get eaten up over time and warframe need an endgame like a dungeon maybe , maybe make rewards scale and my no.1 problem Kuva survival really needs to scale Kuva with every capsule. So to give a reason to do longer runs unlike “well you can do it over and over or do it for longer once for a bigger number at the end screen but it’s still the same amount “
Remaster POE, but don't give people any reason to actually play it...
what do you MEAN?! you get new epic enemies that have a 10% of spawning which are a fucking pain in the ass to fight, are terribly designed and have a 2% chance to drop the new AMAZING sparring weapon which brings no new gimmick nor is better than the options we have now!
bow down to your developer overlords!
(just in case, big fat sarcasm note)
They do the remaster then bring back the Thermia event on Orb Valis. Lol
You know I was actually exited over POE, until they fucking shoved it, and rubbed it in my face. I really want to explore on my own which is my thing in video games, I've played tons of games and I look into it. I don't need handholding. Fishing in POE is also obnoxious, the game wants you to fish, but won't let you. You stand there and suddenly fucking Grineers shot you and wont leave you alone. Brilliant game design!
@@metroided34 lmaooo XDDDDD
But it looks like modded Skyrim now
Also, regular frame quests. Getting Harrow, Octavia or Inaros felt amazing. You had a lore drop, some new stuff to play, it left a lasting impression.
Now it's just "throw it in Little Duck rewards, whatever"
harrow and octavia require doing the samme nodes over and over until it's done. I think you mean chroma and mirage (maybe limbo). Where you get a specific part at the end of the story quest. But I guess that was reducing DE's profit since "why pay plat for mirage when i can do the quest and know I'll have all the parts by the end".
Harrow had Chains of Harrow and Octavia had Octavia's Anthem.
@@angius and those only gave main bp. I'm talking about quest that gave ALL FOUR BP.
@Mayan Ruins Nah, Leveling Archwing isn't half as bad. The main thing is, I completed the star chart with all the Dream Quests(never spoil the Dream). The thing is that I could take out enemies WITHOUT my 4th ability even unlocked in Limbo Theorem. The drop chance is not bad for the proofs, but you have KILL things, not just play interception, ya know?
@Mayan Ruins Limbo is one of the easier ones.Farming for Nidus,Octavia or Harrow can mentally break you.
They could just bring old events back every month, that might help...
Exactly
Yep defo. Much better than help conzu. Stratos events repeated cant remember how many there are but could be close to one a month to cover the year.
No, it will turn just as overwatch, they repeat the same event over and over again and call it a day.
I didn't get far enough into Warframe to do all the events so I would absolutely love if they brought it back
I want a solid handful of challenging gamemodes that are interesting to play and always there first, myself.
I reached the same position a few years ago when I quit. It's fun, it's cool, it's my spirit animal aesthetically and themetically. But it's just not thought out mechanically, and fixing stuff I have issues with seems to be their lowest priority.
At this rate, it seems to me that Warframe will always be a revolving door of newbies and vets.
For me the decline started when they made the Void just another location, not the *special* area where you'd get Primes from. Same also goes for Derelict.
Sure the Quests got better and they introduced cutscenes into them, but Warframe is a day-to-day grind game. If you don't have game modes that challenge (in a good way) players that've stuck around for years, you'll lose those people. And for the most part, those dedicated players are the ones that pour money into the game.
this honestly that repetitive noninterupted grind made that game that much better not the whole grind for traces go in hope for the best ect. nah I wanna build a team around the mission and keep going until it gets too difficult to survive or I have to do my adult responsibilities
@@ZachTheZenith i remember the times where nobody really knew how to build frames, they just slapped mods on it and ran to see if it was good or not. why cant we go back to that? why cant we go back to when trading was fun and there weren't rivens that can go for MORE THAN 20K PLATINUM
Ryan Lorden513 rivens arent even worth the hassle. I have a couple that I never use and I still keep up just fine with high level players.
nightwave before rank 30
Let's Do This!😊
after rank 30 who cares😒
I'm at nightwave rank 9 and I cant bring myself to give a shit... I dont have "friends" in the game so I cant even complete those weeklies that were just around...
@@Caleldir First of all you didn't have to do all challenges to complete nightwave at rank 30, also you don't need friends in the game. You can literally find ppl in recruiting chat that will "befriend" you just so you can do the "with friends" challenges. Easy peasy
@@ridl1900
Which brings the criticism to those Nightwave Quests in the first place. lol
@@ridl1900 you have to do everything if you werent playing until halfway into the nightwave genius.
@@Caleldir Well that's your problem then, sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But otherwise it wasn't even that hard or grindy, there was enough of time to get to rank 30 doing all the easy challenges, sometimes even completing 2-3 at once in one mission.
i really wanted scaling rewards for missions, its so sad to like, do a hour of defense-survival to get 100 endo-molten impact
Worst part is that is all this game needs but devs are so stubborn on not adding scaling rewards.
Completely true. Sortie rewards need a HUGE rework. Sculptures/endo/loot you can get anywhere else has to go. Arbitration rewards need a treatment as well. Have an MR 27 founder buddy, still no rolling guard or adaptation and feels like their is no motivation to even try for em. Eidolon meta is a massive turnoff as well. At least I can use my loki for exploiter orb, but Profit taker and eidolons pretty much being frame locked is an issue.
Trade chat would be destroyed if rewards were scaled properly.
There are way too many daily caps, i'm fine with the time gating on builds since you can just build more stuff so you have something in there to pick up. but all the standing caps and focus caps.. eh it takes a fair amount of time to do them all and it's capped. either make it quick and cap or keep it the way it is and uncap imo.
Fortuna's time gating was a piss take. I wanted to murder someone for locking crafting reqs for the frame behind rank.
Big reason for why i dont really return to the game anymore, everytime i comeback there is new stuff but to do that new cool stuff id need to grind 1 month of 30mins a day bounties to unlock whatever asinine requirement DE put infront of it. I could handle that when poe came out but fortuna and nightwave can fuck off
And don't forget that every time a new area is launched, it also comes with a bunch of new materials that are required to build all the new stuff you want, just to make sure you have to restart your material grind from zero rather than using the millions you already have.
Would be nice being able to buy parts using Platinum, mining and fishing are just boring activities at least for me. Right now the Steam charts are showing that the amount of players is declining slowly but nothing to set alarms. I have around 3,500 hours of gameplay and there is nothing much for me to do around but farm kuva which is also painful, boring and after 5 hours of constant farming you can feel stressed, tired and finally broken at the end of the day. Fortunately I stopped playing Warframe months ago and the Kuva changes were the last pierce I needed to decide giving Warframe a rest.
Content not lasting for long has been my biggest problem with Warframe.
On Paper, the game does have A LOT of content. its admirable to see the sheer amount of it, BUT a lot of that same content is just absolutly obsolete stuff where you either only stick around there until you got like the rarest mods or crafting parts out of it, or its not worth to go there to begin with. I would say atleast 70% of the game feels like you can do a few times and then just skip it.
Replay value just gets lost and in my opinion, makes new content difficult to be excited about knowing that it'll be fun for a few weeks and then we go back to prime farming and making some plat.
The game just really lacks replay value of the content it provides, especially in the stuff designed as endless missions. We got all these powerful frames and weapons, but so rarely do we find reason to survive in a defence mission for more than 20 waves. The lootpool repeats itself and at that point and we're back to square 1, except the enemies are tougher and the loot stays the same.
I wished DE would find the time to look at what the game has in terms of content right now and works on what is already there, improve it and refresh excisting content , making it be more interesting to play and more valuable for both old and new players alike.
my biggest Problem is about having found builds to survive "high Level" shit arent in any kind used cause i dont have the time to sit somewhere 3h+ why dont just give ppl the Ability to start a mission at a higher level from the get go so you do 20min survival anyway but you can have the Thrill of surviving with the Builds you Achived instead of NEtflix and Chill till you reach any point of interest.
@@ItsNightmar3 yupp. I agree there as well. You got the high level stuff offered to you, but for one its a boring time waste to get there in the first place and for the other, the rewards aren't even there for you to make it worth it. Playing a regular defence for more than 20 waves is pointless , because the rewards repeat themselfs at the same quality and quantity but the enemies are harder. Most publics just dip out for good reason.
Same with survival and anything else. Why not make loot scale the longer you stay, so you get more out of it like double-tripple drops? Why not provide solid reasons for the average player to go to wave 100?
Also the infinite missions in my opinion to be sped up a notch. 5 minutes for 1 reward drop in survival is just not reasonable considering the rewards you can get. DE should implement a kill-count that you could reach as an alternative to make it count a full rotation. So you can choose to either survive 5 minutes or you kill X-amount of enemies. That would speed things up properly and you don't sit there for half and hour being mentally AFK or legit Netflix and Chill.
completely agree, and when you first decide to get the game after looking at tons of videos/your friend said it was a good FTP game, you'll see how gated everything is very fast. leveling/mastery is extremely tedious
NO lie I started to play Warframe after I bumped into the Vauban Prime trailer I didnt know whats going on but I wanted to be a part of it.
Absolute the same but it was the Valk one for me, which then made me look them all up and watch them one after the other, and DL the game while I watched. Those trailers were fucking HYPE.
DE is surely not lazy, but they need to get their priorities right. They are reworking New player experience yet again and focus on stuff that wont come after Tennocon, while we are in dire need of endgame. Rewarding, replayable, fun, challenging endgame. Scaling Kuva would be nice first step to get veterans back, so they could fight highlevel enemies to get a rare, but also needed resource.
Perhaps the word "inefficient" would be better suited to them.
The only utility of Kuva is riven rolls. Rivens meh.
I’ll go with PathOfExile gems and uniques and crafting any day.
@@teacup755 Who wouldnt, DE would need to introduce a new "Improve yourself, get stronger" system and Im talking about the stuff we have for now. Rivens can upgrade your gear a lot, so thats why I proposed scaling Kuva for a bandaid addition. Later we would really need a huge system that allows you to get even more powerful.
DE/Warframe: A wonderful game but a terrible mess. lol
Yeah but what's Endgame tho 🤣
Am I the only one that wants void runs back?!
Those where the days
You are not alone, my cousin left Warframe when void relics were added and he never came back. I dearly miss t3-t4 survival runs
Yeah.. I miss that so much
Honestly my biggest problem with warframe is theres no break between repetitive now. (void runs helped alittle back when void rewards) now they just consistantly going back reworking things that dont need it instead of any form of changing it up. (arch wings dead, scaling dead, stale game modes) only thing im looking forward to now is the ship battles. Which will probly stop being interesting after a couple months... Dno what happend to the new rooms
what do you mean? you can go to void anytime.
The more you play the less you have to do... Its not decline, its completion
It'S fREe StOp ComPLaiNinG.
Doesnt matter if its free thats the problem warframes a decent game its our job to help DE with the direction of the game. In the past 4 years we have lost all competetive game modes from clan events to alliance events so it hasnt got as much to do so because we love the game we want to continue playing it but for players playing for years youve done everything and played every mission a million times lol so getting more content that is actually finished and complete and worthy of playing.
my main issue with this game is that a pve game needs rebalancing often and drastically to keep players interested just look at path of exile and you will see what i mean if people log in to the same game everyday intead of balancing the content they have they just bloat the game with more and more weapons and warframes that are better and make old ones look like trash instead of rebalancing them they make new things wich take way longer and offer allmost no content the balance team is a joke how the hell does mod cards have exactly the same values on them for 6 + years is it perfect or are they just lazy and have no idea to balance their game ?
Making a game free don't mean anything
How u say stop complaining,but u make a vid doing it tho.
@@yomama8391 /wooosh
I agree with you. The biggest point for me are those prime trailers. I remember watching Nekros primes trailer and sitting in my seat thinking "WOW. So coool!" I didnt even know equinox prime appeared until I saw her the next day.
this is a perfect summary of what i've been feeling for the last year and couldn't put into words. i really hope DE watches this video and understands this underlining issue.
Got the same angle as well, only thing I feel bad out is leaving a clan with good and cool people.
But even if DE watches this then they won't do shit about it, they got a cash cow to milk dry.
I played for 3 years and had a blast. I just got sick of doing the same thing over and over amd over.
That my only problem with the game
I love it to death but the repetitiveness is killing me
It’s a f2p game what do u expect
@@duowithng1969 I expect steady content on a steady basis. The game is free but not only is it not free from criticism, But people are throwing THOUSANDS of dollars at purely cosmetic items and you want to sit here and tell me not to judge DE because they cant release something besides warframes besides once every 6 to 9 months? Bullshit
Lol that is ANY video game you could possibly play. People here smacking their head against the wall over and over asking eachother why the wall is rough while complaining about sore foreheads.
Coming here after brozime's video....and you both have really just articulated what the fuck i've been thinking and feeling as well these past few months with warframe. It's therapeutic almost. I'm so close to falling out of love with this game.
You will. I was there, and you try to hold tight to that thread. But that thread will break...
I already fell but every now and again I think about playing it but the urge isn't all that strong
Augment Mods = Cut content made to be for DLC. lol
I did. For like 1.5 to 2 years. Don't remember when but it was around Nezha being added. Got back in at the start of 2018 and loved how much has changed and all that there was do for being gone for so long. But that's the thing...I had stuff to do because I was gone for so long and I loved it. Now that I've caught up I find myself wanting to login less and less, I'm not excited to grind the new carrot.
Seriously? No ones heard of lifeofrio who’s been covering this stuff for like a year now?
God I still hate the build foundary.
"oh you spent days to weeks farming primes? Lemme add 3 days of waiting hur hur"
Ikr it's so unnecessary
Even building rooms and placing decorations in a clan dojo has a time gate...
Hmmm... I dont know, i use those three days to rest from the grind.
@@andresmireles914 yeah but why timegate building decor and rooms for clan dojo's? Pointless
PuzZlIn not pointless it’s so you spend money to get it faster like damn near every item in this game
This is so sad.
Alexa, can I get 100 Forma on every Warframe?
/!\ Rahetalius want to know your location /!\
How do formas work? Aren't there only like 6 slots for mods . I believe forma changes the polarity of the mod slot right? So how you put 100 on there?
@@staz_korragg7746 you keep switching the slots polarity, that's how
I feel like because of the droughts and lack of content hype the clan communities are dying with it. I run a clan and they're all great but every time I try to organize an event or tournament it's like no one cares. People are tired of being let down from the content releases. They hype it up and then it turns out to be a very short story with just excessive grinding for gear. Same shit .. different toilet. DE needs to reign themselves in and get their budget on track and focus resources and time on more specific things instead of being all over the place. Bring quality back to the game instead of focusing on quantity
Lmao dude i joined the 1# clan in warframe remnants of the void, and the last events i remember them doing is dye farming for the dojo and polymer,oxium farming.
Yeeeah. Never understood why DE still focuses on new players when they’ve pretty much gotten all the new players they’re ever going to get.
All the “new players” these days are just alt accounts.
new players can only come in for so long
Which is weird because if they did shakeup the game in a grand way veterans will get excited, new players will get excited and see something new, people could reanalyze Warframe. When I have people ask me about Warframe I'm honest with them. It's in for the long haul and collecting all the stuff. They try to relate it to other looters like Borderlands or Path of Exile/Diable or Destiny and I have to cut them short that no, it's not going to be like that. I tell them you won't be getting random stats juggling through your loot to min/max builds. I tell them it's going to be a working man's grind to get your power. They ask what's after that. I'm honest and tell them you move on to the next or the next mod or item you don't have. I still explain the cool world, it's cinematic quests how enjoyable I find the base controls and gameplay but the loot loop is not enticing for them. Even when I play with them to help so they aren't lost but they don't find the game exciting to work on their badge collection. When they ask what I do at the time, I basically have to say I'm working on the new carrot they dropped because I don't have much else because I don't care about conclave. I play it for enjoying the gameplay and before Feb. I could just enjoy it for that but 2018 was kinda meh for Warframe.
Uncle Daniel yeah not born into adults lol
Well they cant guess the difference so statistics just say "game is growing". Still, i agree on that the reach of the game is at its peak. Everyone that likes the game style has already heard of it. And more so, a lot of the people that used to jam with it are getting bored or burned out and just go away.
I'm a new player and I'm enjoying the experience very much.
And I think a few thinks about the new player experience could be tweaked indeed
What the game needs right now is something like Trials or Raids. Eidolon fights are a thing but not many do it. Profit taker and Exploiter Orb fights are behind standing and thermia. And Tbh without a clear focus on what's to come, it's more of a 'stick around the sidelines and wait for how it resolves'. And to those who say Arbies are a endgame, they're not. They're part of an endgame. But not the true endgame
True endgame is fashion frame and standing around your orbiter thinking of what to do.. lol
Beowulf Alex I find the issue with eidolons is that its a cycle and a lot of people cant catch the time its up
And Eidolons are behind a time wall.
Problem is that "trials or raids" do not fix or create endgame. They are in every game out there, just more of the same old stuff. What is "endgame"? What is to you now? What is it to you on monday?
The problem with trials is that even if they were implemented NOW, they will not be some magic bullet that fixes all the issues. Just like Sorties and Arbitrations weren't. Just like Eidolons and the Orbs weren't. The closest we got to what I understand as the classic "endgame mission" are Sorties and I honestly can't be bothered to play them because they are, just the same old stuff with some damn near meaningless twist to it.
There is no such thing as "true endgame" because what is "endgame" is entirely subjective to the individual that can and will change rapidly.
In my opinion, general power creep is the biggest problem that Warframe is currently facing, which was then multiplied when they introduced Rivens. What was planned to be a mechanic to make non-meta weapons viable, made meta ones even stronger, the trading market is skewered by thousands-plat Riven prices, and DE has to continually add more and more weird(or dare I say, bad) mechanics/immunities to enemies so that not everything gets obliterated by a single shot of a Kitgun with a Riven.
And then they added Umbra mods, and recently, Umbral Forma, so that particular Saryn can wipe more of the map when spamming abilities standing on the defense pod.
I knew if I kept reading comments someone would deliver this message.
Every time my eyes see arguments like this video my mind's eye sees "we want more power creep rewards" clearly overlaid. Requests for more lore? Sure, I can get behind that. Requests for "an end game"? I always want to ask: If they provided an end game with no additional power creep, would that actually satiate (you)? If people answered honestly it would be a resounding "No." But at some point a ceiling must be met where warframe/operator strength finds their apex to reach an "end game".
Of course at this point I want to ask, with Warframe in perspective: What is an end game? What manner of content can be added to Warframe that solidifies it's "end game" to all of the veterans satisfaction?
I've hit the 700 hour milestone and the 250 day login milestone, at MR21.. half the time I open warframe I spend 30-40 minutes in my orbiter talking in region chat.. because what am I going to do?
1. Arbitrations that introduce very annoying artificial difficulty, time-gated rewards, and headaches for how poorly thought out it was to begin with.
2. opening relics, that are so commonplace that even after having opened nearly 800 relics.. I have twice that across all the relic era's
3. running eidolon hunts that after the 10th tricap feel like even more of a grind than 60 minute survival runs as nekros in on taveuni..
4. run the daily Sorties, that give debuff's in higher level content that never actually provide any real challenge
5. Do farming runs for what ever I, or my clan needs for resources. Pigments (boss or enemy specific with low drop counts), Rare resources, Mutagen samples(of which my total count is only in the low 300's)
6. decorate the dojo (of a clan where nobody plays because the game has lost interest for them)
7. help new players learn and progress, get better at the game, get certain things they want or need.
8. trade stuff from unlocked relics for platinum to feed the over-monetization of cosmetics, forma, reactor/catalyst/exilus,
9. Grind reputation for a faction
10. grind reputation for a syndicate
11. grind reputation for a "special faction"
12. Profit taker..
13. Look at my codex for 3 hours
14. Look blankly at nightwave for the nth time
15. Grind the battlepass "It's content" but not really system known as nightwave..
This is just a small list, i've left out acquiring weapons, frames, pets, equipment items, archwings, archwing weapons, ship parts, money, endo, mods, rivens, platinum, the derelict, the void, most mission *types*, the events, the prime releases, the prime unvaults, the "you must play with people" mentality, the controversies around DE, their actions, their moderators, their systems, most of their game mechanics, and sometimes other players..
No, I like warframe..
But after 1 year and a hand full of months I can say that i've done everything warframe has to offer and I may come back for new content, which will probably only hold my interest for 2 weeks.. I've played long enough to know that there's a very drastic downward trend here.. Fortuna is a prime example of this, with a few in the list above being related directly to this.. but worst of all, the rest I might even be able to forgive, if they didn't try to shove the artificial difficulty down my throat.. I've done sorties with unmodded frames, I've done entire sorties with just a dagger and 1 or 2 abilities.. None of it's hard, it's just got the illusion of being hard the earlier in the game you are.. the longest boss fight i've ever had was a 18 minute Final-stage sortie lephantis at level 80-100.. solo, because I didn't bring a weapon that did the 5-10-100k damage that i'm used to seeing now, and I still did it with an unmodified warframe
RAGED3FENCE can youu carry me?
And that's only 700 hours, a lot of vets have 2-3k+, just waiting for anything to happen, still have hope
Grinding gear games (company that made path of exile) had presentation when game developers gathred. Chris was saying how they keep their game alive for so long, and giving tips to those in looter cathegory. Id say its a very good watch for snyone who is interesting, altho i will have to warn it 1h presentation. Name of the video is: Designing path of exile to beplayed forever. Gdc 2019. Some very good points were made there and DE could use em
Link?
@@switchiro5262 ua-cam.com/video/pM_5S55jUzk/v-deo.html
Watched that one too, thought I was like 15 minutes in and was at 40 minutes, highly recommend it
Someone link that to Steve please.
A good way to make a game be played forever is to make the game easy and modular in nature to add content to, and then update it regularly.
DE needs to improve a lot of things. But, it is ok to stingy with prime trailers when they have a lot of things on their plate. I wish they would take a step back from the updates, and say: "What are we trying to build here?" Nightwave was a sort of battle pass, Lunaro was definitely a meme, K-drives are a joke. Warframe is spread over in a lot of directions: Events, Nightwave, Normal Missions, Arbitrations, Lunaro, PoE and Fortuna, and Conclave. Conclave itself means that each new frame requires twice the effort as the abilities have to be programmed differently for it, Nightwave requires weekly or bi-weekly high quality dioramas with new challenges and rewards.
Some things become a staple like: Eidolon hunting, relic farming, vault runs and Lunaro(joking). Others don't stick as much, like Conclave, Arbitrations, etc. And you know why? Some provide unique rewards which offer a significant reward which helps us MASSIVELY. The other, not so much. Arbitrations literally give vitus essence, which can be used for ....*drumroll*.... Mediocre Cosmetics, Archwing rivens(lol) and Ephemera, the MOST PREMIUM ITEM IN THE GAME. That is the problem. Sure, arbitration can be regarded as endo farm, but we have Ayatan Hunts to give us our weekly supplement. And remember, each new thing they release requires reworks, maintenance and splits the playerbase. The ones doing Eidolons before are now Eidolon OR Profit-Taker.
In short, DE needs to think what they want to do, what their vision is, and not constantly focus on new content which either undermines the old content, or splits the playerbase thin and requires more maintenace. The new content should be wholesome, and have a place in the game. Sure, railjack sounds fun, but I really don't think it will have a good place in the game outside of an event. Nightwave was a step in the right direction, but requires WAY too much effort to acquire standing for wolf-creds, which can be spent of items swapped every week, so either I have to meticulously track the rotation, or rush to gather the wolf creds to buy corrosive projection. Again, this problem is somewhat remedied by more frequent reappearance of the essential auras and/or weapon parts, but still can be improved.
They need to stop time-locking the essential things, and time-lock/rework/remove the non-essential ones. Arbitrations are a diversion, which have the same enemies, just MUCH more bullet spongy, and no significant rewards that improve the gameplay fun factor or value. Arbitration drones, well, all I can say is "La Nuisance". They don't even look cool. They completely strip away your lethality as a warframe, and are often times very frustrating to deal with. And I still don't know what the Corpus Scrambuses actually do. They definitely need to be more visible.
The new player experience does need to be reworked, but not in the way of more manuals, or training sections in the codex. Even an occasional nudge from Ordis to buy and craft a new weapon, or to remember to mod your weapon after some rank ups would be helpful in giving the TRUE sense of POWER Warframe is known to provide. Otherwise, new players are left wondering why enemies aren't dying as easily as before, or scratch their head at no damage buffs at level up. Warframe is a different game, different than any other in the market, but it needs it's new players to know that.
Here were my two cents, or rather 10 bucks on Warframe. Remember to thank DE each time you click play on the launcher.
Peace.
After playing Path of Exile for a month, I’d classify warframe as a stingy third person space ninja lite play on it.
K
Honestly conclave needs a rework or removed from the game altogether. Does anyone even play it outside of grinding for its rewards?
Tldr
Agree with most expect the "splits the playerbase" lol I hope you are joking because that makes no sense, eidolons and orbs can be played by the same players one after another as the eidolons have a schedule to be fought. Also imagine playing a game with only one boss fight worth of farming.
Not sure youll see this message as you have thousands of messages. But this is my experience as a new user
1. Over complicated with hardly anything explained - this game needs handholding at the beggining
2. No sense of direction at the start. game needs to be linear and encompassing at the start to get the player invested
3. It takes forever to get to the point where the story actually starts to matter (War Within and Second Dream) - I played i thought long enough before stopping and giving up. Never did get there
4. Missions that have control points - these solo are insanely difficult for newbies, especially the archwing ones and with no help your stranded for ages without the ability to progress (i was stuck on one mission for over 6 months)
Ultimately the game is not new player friendly and doesnt do no where near enough to retain players that do give it a chance. Sure if you have a guru friend that explains everything you MAY be fine but thats not something thats evailable to everyone and as such, more and more people miss out on Warframe.
Not disputing your points, they are more end game related but the above is a reason why nrew players are in such short supply. You need to be engrossed and captivated by the story. the gameplay isnt enough and Warframe fails in this department is suuch a spectacular way, it amazes even me when you consider how much they actually got right.
Well thats my view and points on this. Thanks for the video. Was very well put.
When I started it wasn't too complicated for me,the mods were a little complicated but I figured it out pretty quick.The rest of the stuff like farming for resources and warframe parts I figured out from UA-cam vids and the warframe wiki. I do believe they have improved the new player experience recently tho so it should be a little bit easier to get into.
In all honesty, after I complete Nightwave, going to put my kavat in hypersleep, and wait until Railjack/The New War
Shout out to all my 2013 space ninjas.
I miss the community from back then.
I barely missed that cut-off line. Started in early 2014 on PS4. My starter was loki. It was hard to start it in 2013 because PS4s sold out for months in advance on black friday over here
Shit was different at that time. People were figuring out builds to one shot Phorid with Fragor Charge Attack and Clan weapons dominated the scene. Also I still have blisters from zoren copter. I miss that time
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Never forget the April 2013 "Speedrunning is bad"-fix;
I for one have not, and will also never forgive...
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Amen
Ya'll remember Ember's original WOF? I miss that shit.
I think they fell into the trap that free to play devs so often easily fall into. They feel like they have to put content out but because they don't trust the playerbase to stick around while they iron out the kinks they just keep letting problems pile on top of each other only addressing the absolute mandatory ones. This on top of a weird stubbornness about taking any ideas or meaningful feedback from their community creates a game that just starts to fester and rot from the inside. Every game needs to eventually go back and fix the problems that have been building up and the longer that gets put off the more likely it won't matter because it'll be too late.
To be fair they have data to prove that this mentality is justified. The nearest solution they're taking, however, is something we can discuss and criticize.
I think whats happening is that they are working in too much different stuff at the same time:
Think about: Railjack/Empirean, Melee 3.0, The New War... Prime Warframes, New Warframes, the UI Revamp, NightWave, who the hell knows if there is even more that they havent released yet.
They have to divide the manpower, and thus all content goes slower, but the thing is..possibly, if they release everything in a big big wave at the same time, we will have shit tons of things to do.
But the point is to not do it all at the same time because we eat it up
Also, It's good to release content separately so that they can possible resolve more problems before newly awaited content comes out
I really think bringing Dark Sectors back would make a lot of vets return and introduce newer players to the real 'community' side of WF. It used to be extremely positive but these days something is just off. Clan Wars were so good for the simple fact it had everyone engaged whether you were 20 hrs in or 1000 hrs deep.
Its really depressing seeing no one interact like the old days. All i saw when i logged back on after 2 years were trolls and hydron runs. I feel sry for the people playing this game now. Especially knowing what the community was like 3, 4, even 5 years ago.
But i guess thats what happens when you ignore your hardcore player base for years. Eventually they'll just get over asking and move on, changing the community forever.
To be honest, none of those systems felt polished. They felt like what was expected from a ftp game. They need to figure out how to tie railjack and the new raids together. So they could kill two birds with one stone instead of going all over the damn place.
@@afabuloussentientbeing8112 To be fair tho it felt like they never really tried.
As a new player this video is interesting to me. I may only have scratched the surface of what the game currently has to offer, but hearing about veterans talking about what the game lacks rewarding endgame content is something us newer players have witnessed. There is something really depressing watching an MR 25 farming materials in a low level zone, because it is the most efficient way for them to gather these mats.
Hopefully your voices are heard, so I can have something to look forward to whenever I hit the same wall as you all do.
If you're new enough I wouldn't worry too too much about that. There's enough content there to keep you occupied until de either drops the ball or addresses the issue.
It's highly possible you will never get to the same level of disappointment as the older players, because they have seen many of their loved features dropped, and replaced by less fun and more tiresome things. prime's could sell for 1000 plat or more if they'd been vaulted. The void was once the most visited spot in the game. and idk about everyone's opinion but free roam maps like poe were a huge disappointment to me. and they are something you have to do to reach max potential as were rivens. playing this game since it came out has been like watching the game die slowly in my eyes but still playing in hopes it could be saved.
@@mikeybostock7151 this ^
As a new player you have enough content to keep you occupied a year or two tbh, dont worry too much about issues veterans have
@@mikeybostock7151 I played a while when I first got my ps4 on launch day then stopped for a good while. Came back when poe launched because of all the hype. And while I did enjoy it for a while, I did get burned out on it and realized it wasn't quite what I hooped for.
Haha I was literally thinking, "I dont really play Warframe anymore but I still follow it pretty closely on UA-cam" and then Reaper Hunter basically says exactly that.
I'll come back when New War drops probably. Play New War and then leave again.
Same nere
the problem with DE is they are using the communities' sense of end game. they embraced the fashionframe idea and just let the people decide that it is the end game content. it is good that they gave voice to the players but giving them too much is not healthy.
Warframe players: *complains about DE being slow and content droughts and not caring about their players*
Me: *laughs in Valve*
Man i felt that "People who have claimed to have quit warframe still watch videos and keep up with it so see what happens" (or something like that you said)
Holy shit legit me
I haven't even farmed the primes i'm missing and it's not even fun anymore
Fortuna was nice
Profit taker was nice
But fissures are tedious and boring af so.
I'm just waiting to see if they'll ever give a damn and stop taking shortcuts like you said
Yea, i recently came back. Quited around 2015. And i saw that 100 fissure thing. Welp, im not wasting my time on that shit
Tru. I watch tons of vids by many creators, sorry reaper though you are one of them i watch and i still learn o' tonne. Then i go and try some new build or a new approach and bango, i got a smile on my old face again. #freegame
Yall are just bunch of people who is bored of something... If you want something new to entertain, a looter-shooter is not the game need to be played... But if the way how you grind the drop is why yall are whining, just make a constructive comments, don't just spread your personnal dislike experience without thought on how to improve the general ...
I play the game casually, took some pause every 3month and comeback playing and doing random things and its fun.
Yeah there are so many things wrong in warframe right now and we are trying to explain to them what is wrong and showing them solutions and they are ignoring player feedback and giving us trash we don't want and didn't ask for
So many little problems which stack up into a monster. lol
albie071 even dealing with symptoms wouldn’t be good enough as they need to attend to the main issues that causing those symptoms
Shugo Pendragon that’s a little harsh man. I mean they’ve supported this game for over 6 years now and given everyone hundreds of hours of content. It seems like you guys want this game to last forever but no game can keep going forever. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were working on a completely new game at this point because I think no matter what they do you guys won’t be happy with it. It may sound like I’m blaming us the fans but I’m not I’m just saying that I think we should all move on and show them that we are ready for something new. We can’t just play the same game forever we’ve all gotten as much out of this as we can. I commend DE for making a game like this last for so long.
@@jeremyroberts8822 Everyone admits Warframe has no real end-game, we'd be satisfied if Warframe got one, that's a thing these kinds of games do to keep players.
I mean, it's certainly impressive it came so far without one, but it just starts to feel like a wasteland full of filler-content and artificially stretched grinds with little to no design that mitigates the impact of the repetitive nature of it, that is not captivating at all.
"Primes, just another thing." Damn that hit hard. Well over a thousand gameplay hours later, and I cannot agree more with everything mentioned. Great video. I hope DE may act as your voice is added to the numerous clamoring for change.
Founder here, never stopped playing. Just don’t play the same game for 12h a day every day and you won’t get saturated or bored. Weird right?
Exactly.
I... I might want to actually remember that myself.
_cries in getting burnt out after playing Warframe all day every day for half a month_
As a former WoW player, I'll never do that same mistake ever again. It's good to get done with one game, then move to another.
@@thinkon2127 Only 7 hours?! *THESE A ROOKIE NUMBERS! GET THOSE NUMBERS UP, TENNO!*
[jk i really wouldnt recommend it]
Underrated comment.
remember when a new warframe comes out and you get a quest for it? i miss that
Thats umbra oh wait it came out 10 month ago
As I am afraid of, Anthem Failure really impacts DE productivity.
You mean that it hurt the genre, or do you mean that since they have no competition, they dont have incentives to think creatively.
@@artypyrec4186 The second part most likely.
@@artypyrec4186 The latter. After all, the ones who benefits the most from competence are the customers
@@artypyrec4186 they have no notable competitor in the same genre to boost their morale.
Warframe's at the point where despite they're old, they're still competing and being compared to every new game that gets released of that genre... and beating them all, to the point where they're no longer really getting worthy competition. Sure games like Anthem meant to compete, but Warframe rather indirectly shat all over it and the hype train for Anthem went to WF...
The lack of proper balancing will be the death of this game one day.
Balancing doesn't matter as much in PvE games like Warframe. It's an issue when you're pointing it at other players.
Player who milked the game dry after 3000 hours: why isn't this fun anymore
The point was not that players expierence burnout. Rather it was about the new content lacking in replayability . You get the rewards you've actually wanted and just stop playing. That is if you even wanted those rewards in the 1st place.
For example, Profit Taker fight has such meaningless rewards that I've played it only 2 times. When it 1st came out and when I needed to complete Nightwave challange. Yet in every devstream DE said it will be an awesome fight. Hell, they've even made a press release for PC Gamer to hype this content comparing it to 'Ocean's 11'! And then it turned out to be absolutely soulless and pointless.
But, yeah, sure, we all just play the game too much. Just play it for 200 hundred hours and leave the game. Devs gonna get less and less profits to keep the game alive? The game is f2p and therefore actually *needs* to be always engaging? Eh, who cares. Thanks for the good times and goodbye!
@@Mistalleks Why does every game has to have infinite content? Why is it such an unforgivable cardinal sin that you can eventually "finish" Warframe and play other games while you wait for more stuff?
@@Vafthrudnir It's not about every game, however. I don't think even DE would be happy if you could just finish Warframe. It's not in the nature of the game and it's not in the business strategy for such games.
And it's also about DE saying 'Hey, stick around! We've got more to come!". And this 'more' turning out to be really underwhelming.
I think the problem is people are expecting stuff that warframe just really isn't about, People asked for Endgame content and DE provided that with the raids, look how underused that content got and the time and resources it wasted trying to stay updated.
DE have added new bosses with special gimmicks in an attempt to be challenging but just like everything else there is a meta for it that makes it a joke, Tricap and the Orb Mother come to mind.
Then they add something like the Wolf which ended up becoming a bullet sponge requiring ammo pizza's and riven weapons just to beat him and the community complains without offering an alternative that doesn't end up making him cheeseable.
All DE can do with warframe is what they've always done, try a new mission variable with new weapons and frames and maybe include a bit of lore and background to certain concepts if they can weave a story, end of the day Warframe is not a Triple A game being backed by tycoon publishers and it likely never will be.
I say this as someone who has been burned out by nightwave after reaching rank 30 I haven't been on in a week, but am I boycotting the game? Hell no, I'll be back later when I feel the need to rush and slaughter a legion of grunts to bits as I have been doing for the past 6 years.
Cuz its not rewarding. Why ppl do sorties? The chance of getting something worthy ma man. Rubico riven, unrolled with garbo statu, BAM 900 plats!
Actually I have beaten the wolf twice without any Rivens and I’m only MR10 who just started this game a month and half ago. The wolf I’ll admit is a bullet sponge but with the right mods he is actually a cake walk. I find soloing him a fun challenge and have spent days racking up my death marks just to challenge him again!
Exactly, THANK YOU! All this incessant, unbearable 'veteran whining' is becoming a constant buzzing drone of shit.
SORTIES were added as lategame, people didn't care, metashmucks have shit that mows down lvl100 enemies everywhere, and after grinding their asses off 'tHe ReWaRdS ArE BaD' started sounding for the first time. Raids were an awful joke done in 15 minutes by someone with the right build.
Then Teralyst (oh yeah, he was supposed to be a good endgame boss for farming focus ALONE), but everyone minmaxed and complained that unfair, cookiecutter cheese is BoRiNg tO PlAy. Tridolons came and started being hunted in packs of five per night.
There is NO pleasing the whining veterans who don't know what they want. If they get a hard enough gamemode they'll whine that it doesn't reward their DIVINE GRACE enough for them to BOTHER to play. If the task is too easy, it will be minmaxed and obliterated, resulting in whining that it's too easy and "not engame".
Nightwave, for example. People got a flavorful, INCREDIBLY FUCKING GENEROUS and F R E E battlepass-like system that offered snippets of story, varied tasks, rewards. Half the people cant shut the fuck up about how it was TOO GRINDY (despite the fact that you can do all tasks in a week in 2-3 hours. 3 hours PER WEEK), another half of the people can't shut the fuck up about it being OH SO LAME AND UNREWARDING. Trying to please these awful people will never be a good idea.
They'll never EVER appreciate the tons of good things that DE has done, instead constantly nitpicking and whining because they either are too lazy to play or gorge themselves like fucking pigs on meta builds and do content until they can't look at it anymore. There is no 'endgame' for them.
@@angryKleiner Thank you.
The grind and drop chance is getting worse. DE keep adding enemies that is immune to everything.
Really want to add a nully bobble to arbitrition drones cuz we just want to see world burns
@@wangruochuan And an Energy Leech effect
@@monchete9934 nah mana leech mob is all good at the moment. We just need them to spawn at even further glitchy place. Too easy to find them nowadays
you guys need to choose if you wanna loot fast or have a challenge. every day people complain that the game is too easy but at same time they don't wanna fight strong mobs like high level corpus and etc.
@@wangruochuan Arbritrations are really too simple now
I'm going to try and formulate my opinion on this as best I can here. No guarantees it will make sense.
But, the biggest issues with warframe are, at least for me, twofold.
First, complete lack of any challenge, essentially every mission becomes move from A to B left clicking while things around you explode, which works as you've said for 3-4 months after a long break, creating mission structure that would provide challenge to stop people from playing in the most often seen sonic-esque way. If DE gave us a reason to think about our equipment, most of us have wide arsenals full of various types of weaponry out of which we use... what? Like 3-5 guns since they allow one thing again, mindless often AoE attack that you don't even have to aim. I'm not even talking about melee, since there is literally no reason to use anything but something that allows you to move while spamming basic attack and has the largest range possible. There is talks about fixing it in the whole Melee 3.0, but at the time of writing this, it is a problem. Imagine the difference it would have been if you had missions that would be made in a way, where if you'd try this, you would almost certainly die, so even in a party of randoms, there would be mission sections where stealth and careful approach would be more appropriate. Imagine the difference if you had to stick together and actually work like a team instead of it being 4 teams of one.
Second problem is complacency. Warframe has reached a place where it feels is comfortable, problem is, that place has only so much to offer and DE is, what it seems like, afraid to take massive steps forward. Yes, that is considering updates like Fortuna, which was as mentioned in the video Plains of Irrelevance 2.0 and Railjack, the way DE approaches this game is not long term and they seem afraid to make anything long term, instead they go for immediate gratification that lasts for all of 5 seconds. The thing what Warframe is missing is something DE is so afraid to seemingly make, a solid late game, since when you think about it, what exactly do we have as a late game? Tridolon? Orb? Sorties? Arbitrations? Those are not endgame options, they are distractions at best, daily chores at worst. In a looter shooter you want to pursue challenge in hopes of getting powerful rewards. And I'm sad to say, there is nothing like that in Warframe, Rivens would be a far shot in that direction, but DE is so reserved it they allow you to only get a handful a week, where you would legitimately need maybe a dozen a day and still probably get not much more than a pile of endo. Simply put, there is very little to pursue late game in warframe and most of the things you do end up doing are pretty much just chores.
Well, talk about a rant, I'm sure there are tons of typos everywhere, but I can't be bothered proof reading this mess.
For real tho... i was banging my head on the wall that it was capping how much standing you can gain in a day. Like wha??
The devs are terrified that if they let you progress too much in one day, you won't come back the next day. But sometimes they overcorrect...
They stated that they needed to cap standing because players where reaching max rank within a day.
Damn, Reaper....it’s like you looked into my mind and soul with this vid 😔
I second this
I think more and more players just feel this desert.
I minute this
Nightwave is the worst thing added to this damn game, it forces you to play it doing uninteresting bounties because you think of missing out even though the rewards are meh, Instead of an actual interesting end game. Warframe updates comes out so far between (console have to wait double the time) and completed within couple days.
Also my main problem with de is why are they working on pointless stuff like Cetus remaster, like no-one has asked for it. Whats next? Fortune remastered? While railjack gets pushed back and back.
Also regarding Prime access, some people be getting 5-6 sets in an a 1hr-2hrs from release by saving up medallions and syndicate rep and buying the packs. I still remember how pain in the ass it used to be back in the day and now access has become another normal set.
I love warframe but there are so many flaws mainly looking at players with with a massive amount of hours in game, if you just started then you have so much content to get through and i know DE gear towards the casual side more which is understandable since there are more casual players but we deserve some content and not have to wait an eternity. Nowadays when I’m on warframe I just sitting in my shop looking at trade chat buying and selling stuff (mainly rivens)...sigh.
Yeah, I'd say Nightwave is my least favorite addition. It's special because it isn't just ''whatever, I'll do that and get the stuff slowly'', it's ''Do I really have to fceger do this shfdgeg RIGHT now?''. It honestly feels like a desperate attempt to manipulate people into playing, now people say it's not rewarding enough now that it's FINALLY over and we only get 15 creds, as if that's the problem.
This just feels like trashy mobile games/EA/MMO tactics to me, I hope they're just naive to it like a lot of the player-base seems to be.
うずまき ナルト (Naruto Uzumaki) agreed, but it feels as if people want Nightwave scrapped (maybe I’m wrong). Solution: just make the missions stick around for the entire season. That way you can get them done whenever is viable to you. I just don’t want alerts back.
@@arihytti5134 I hate this kind of system fundamentally, but if it can be dialed down to a point where that kind of pressure actually isn't there anymore, I might be fine with it.
No game is ever immortal.
World Of Warcraft is popular, but by the day everyone starts to speak of it as a "Oh, it's World of Warcraft" instead of "Yay World of Warcraft!".
Team Fortress 2 is the same as World of Warcraft in this regard.
Countless games were lauched, became popular, and died eventually.
This is not a bad thing. It's a reminder that we should never consider something eternal, but rather look foward to new things.
Warframe...
Warframe was an awesome game, as you said, and is still awesome, as you said.
But like I said, no game is immortal. There comes a time when every game must meet it's end, and give way to new generations.
With all the things we've seen recently... Warframe has begun that descent into death. It has broken the lock which sealed the door blocking new things from arising.
Now all that is left is to open that door.
What, are we supposed to play Anthem now?
@@rhapzodyk541 Great way to pick up my comment and distort it into something completely unrelated, dipshit. When did I even mention Anthem?
I said no game is immortal and people need to stop crying over spilled milk and move on.
@@zap3231 someone got triggered real fast
You're wrong, they got the most amount of new players after Tennocon 2018.
@@satanael431 Too bad those players will very soon quit.
Think long term, mate. And don't just assume I'm wrong: I've checked the statistics.
Thank you.
Literally no words can top what you said.
My main issue is just the lack of things to do. The lack of dark sectors, raids, and events makes it so boring.
I farmed for a prime and then never touched the game again until a new weapon came out. And since then its been rinse and repeat.
In general. After 3 years with this game on and off.
I think I quit. Good luck to everyone else still here.
I hate to say i agree with everything you've pointed out. De dosent care about vets. I miss the tower keys system, the raids, the thrill of doing a survival mission. As another user commented here, the old key system was a blessing that we took for granted until it was gone. For those that dont know what im talking about or just screech that the relic system is better: the old tower system was simple and effective. 4 tiers of difficulty and 6 mission types. One guy choses one of the keys he has and everyone in his party simply starts the mission. While the system was not that good when it came to non endless missions, the endless misions were the reason people played back then. I remember losing hours upon hours, doing a t3/t4 survival with a friend of mine, chatting about life and generally having a blast for at least 40 minutes. Now we dont have anything like that. Eso is 20 mins until zone 8. Arbitration is the most tideous thing to ever exist in warframe as it takes eons and kuva survival forces you to use a defensive warframe if you want to go far as well as forces you in one of the worst tilesets in the game. De removed everything we could do as endgame and gave us missions with shitty loot. And once you get said loot. There is no point in doing it again. I really wish they implement a new endless ideea just like the tower MCGamerCZ suggested. But that would probably never happen.
DE loses as much as they gain... Which is worst in most cases. lol
What DE fail to realize is that with proper endgame they can EASILY be #1 on steam. They are always in top 10 with just a bunch of people who stick to the game, so imagine their numbers when they give those who left due to no reason to go on, an actual reason to constantly play again. Their numbers would likely multiply, 2, maybe 3 times, and stay constant, if the content gives you a reason to be constantly on the game again.
Why the hell are they fixing the new player experience, when there is no loyal player experience anymore? What's the use of making it good for new players when in the end those new players will leave due to no actual reason to stay anymore???
Please, there are plenty of games on steam without endgame content that are ranked lower than warframe. Moot point.
This game has so many passionate fans that I seriously do think this would be a good move even just from a business perspective, whether it's activity or monetization. It's just a no-brainer with games like these, it's like World of Warcraft, people (including myself) would basically live inside the game if we could, but it needs to hold us over.
Fashionframe is endgame IMO
@@bluffy-38 Ideally we'd have stuff to do, while looking cool and being powerful
@@Gnurklesquimp Exactly. Kind of why I like PoE. This is my opinion anyway
been playing Warframe for 4 years still love it.
The game went downhill when void keys stopped being a thing and rivens were added imo
Personally, void keys no but rivens yes. Moving to the relic system added a layer of control (not a very good one mind) to RNG getting parts, but rivens just dumped a ton of RNG onto the market that turned optimisation into having either good riven rolls or enough platinum to buy a good riven.
I miss the clean trade chat where you only see mods, arcanes, primed parts being sold. Now you only see "godly" riven spam.
AGrumpyPanda yeah you have a point
Kyle Tyler I totally agree, it’s so hard to sell and buy with all the riven spam
👀 deja Vu. Hey at least, we got a vauban prime trailer. Great perspective man.
Man i'm still stalking you 🤫
@@yukon9565 stalking? I don't understand.
I replied at like 10 or 20 of your comments 😂
I don't know why but i allways see you 🖐
@@yukon9565 😂🤣now, I'll start looking for you... lol. If you still play warframe, send me an invite. I hop in every now and then.
- Game's graphics engine becomes dated, combat and builds are the only saving grace
- Game decides to put everything on skins, prime stuff, fancy gear, fancy open world
- Game decides to stop making challenging new content, in which combat and builds could be played with.
Warframe should be renamed: "Hail Hydron - Noobs Leveling For Years"
By new content I don't mean just new game modes.
I am sorry to spoil Railjack for all of us, but it will be just another game mode, with the same mediocre dated AI and scaling, grinding out fancy new gear and cosmetics and emotes.
The graphics are the reason I don't play anymore. After looking at other games, WF always looks ugly to me. Too much like a PS3 game.
@@theshapetv9203 Almost no-one mentions this, but it is a big deal. After playing with the Division 2 (almost on max graphics with a good, not OP pc), I am literally ashamed of myself, that I'm playing Warframe.
Warframe earns incredible amounts of money. They have to start to act like a proper game, not as a cheap game for cheap players.
Imo graphics is a really shallow reason to not play a game. If you want something that looks pretty go look through a photography album or go watch a movie or documentary.
@@wolfiemcfox7080 It is not, if the game starts to focus on skins, new fancy gear, fancy warframes, fancy open worlds, fancy emotes, fancy cosmetic "endgame" rewards.
All of these rewards and "new content" is a joke now. Maybe 6 years earlier they were cool enough to actually play the game for.
The only thing still not dated in Warframe is the actual combat and the build variety. They should give us challenging scenarios, real content, to actually utilize all this. Right now, there are only 3 challenging content, eidolons, arbitrations and elite onslaught. But all 3 require specific builds and they funnel the player into a very narrow spectrum of play.
A real endgame, like raids in other games, utlizie the whole spectrum of the game.
THEN, graphics would not matter that much.
I love how the warframe community seems to actually be coming together to voice how important these things are to DE. I love warframe and all but honestly there is no point to play it seems like and I don’t want to sit around for hours waiting on harder enemies to just get some mat that isn’t really used anymore.
I started playing Warframe about 2 or so years after it was released. Back when there was a stamina bar and no double jump unless you were Excalibur. Then I had some issues with my computer, ended up resetting the whole, losing everything I had on it, and just never got around to putting Warframe back on it. Granted when I started playing it I was like 13 and did really get too attached to it. I thought it was just another shooter game. I never really noticed the lore or story. Back then there wasn't really any QUESTS like we have now. There was a tutorial quest line which was replaced by VOR'S PRIZE later, and then you were just left to explore the solar system chopping up enemies. But when they released PoE, they seemed to have started over in a sense. The plains were directed at the people who had never played Warframe. It was a way to draw in new players with a brand new open world to explore, while at the same time giving experienced players something new to explore and enjoy until the next major drop. I remember getting super hyped for PoE open world.
I think I started Warframe again a few months before the plains were announced. What I can say is I enjoyed the plains when it was first released. It had easy enemies during the day for newbies to learn the game on and feel accomplished when killing. But the Teralysts gave experienced players a challenge while also introducing them to the newest game play mechanics. But after that I feel is when Warframe hit that decline that it is in now. To sum it up from what I have seen and experienced is the new audience. You can't fault DE for wanting to bring in more players, and for giving new players a way to come up in the game. But it forced DE into a corner where now veteran players are demanding lore and game play fixes to make more original and give it that glory day challenge, while new players are demanding more of what they started with. It's one the biggest nostalgia battles in gaming. Of course I think everyone is hyped for the New War, everyone wants to just slap Space Mama in the face after becoming Natah again (personally I wanted more Hunhow but I'm cool with Natah).
What I'm trying to say is DE is being torn in multiple different directions by the fan base. They can't please everyone, someone is always going to be upset with what comes next. But it is still THEIR game. They can very well do what they please with. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I'll play Warframe no matter what they do with the game, and I hope they realize that they are in a make or break stage right now. Their next move will either make a large majority of the fan base happy and give them that desire to play again, or it will drive away long time veterans and even some newbies. The best solution for them is to do whatever they can to make the most players happy as possible. But given their current situation, it'll probably take some time. If we all have some patience and they make the right moves in near future updates, I genuinely believe that Warfram will hit a new peak.
mr 26, 2k+ hours, still having fun every time i boot it up.
my endgame is achieving goals, as in doing challenges, farm stuff to better dojo or sell, help people ...
while content would be nice, the framework for late game fun the game gives me is unmatched in the market imo. it's the only game i've been playing for a while now and solo i might add.
but i'm very cheap f* so it could be i have very low standars, don't know.
Lol ur very cheap? Biiii'ch, jk ^^
@PioneerShark the only way they are seeing any more of my money is if they DO add content, don't worry XD I'm just lucky to find dojo-managing and challenges worth my time.
For how amazing a game is, there will be both people that will enjoy it for a couple of hours and others that will take the game to its limits (houndreds or thousands of hours) ... hopefully DE starts catering to veterans more than just one time per year, despite the first one being the majority :/
Back when 100 waves of T3 def was sooooo much fun LOL
They're just nostalgic about the past, and salty cause they can't make any new videos on warframe to get their paycheck. They all scream in this echochamber where their fans and fellow youtuber friends jerk each other off about the "lack of content" and they think that's the whole community's opinion. But in reality they are a minority, the minority that plays for 12 hours a day and reaches that content wall and really does get bored of the game, the vast majority of people can't play this game for 12 hours a day years on end to reach that same status so we have stuff to do. A more accurate title for this video would be "warframe | the declining state of a warframe channel"
👆👆perfect example of info going through one ear and out the other.
@@WarHawk215 what's the excuse for people who agree with this content drought but don't do UA-cam videos or streams??
@@andrewjackson5295 I already said, they're all people who've reached the content wall. Because they've been playing an unhealthy amount of time. It's impossible for a casual player who doesn't put more than 4 hours a day into the game to have reached that content wall thus this is a complain only affecting a very small minority of players and the solution is to pull an epic games and make the devs work 100 hours a week.
lul you don't need to be the "minority of players" to reach that content wall dude. You'll realize pretty quickly that the majority of "content" your talking about is basically just doing the same thing over and over again w/ most of the rewards being obsolete. "I grinded all these new and strong weapons, warframes and mods, what's next?" Nothing, cuz this game doesn't have an end goal for players to use the stuff they grind on. There are no leaderboards, no pvp, no in-game community events and no actual endgame content that has good rewards. It's just mindless grinding for the same-new sht every update and people are getting tired of it. Also no, they don't need to pull an epic to solve this, they just need to actually make an effort on making quality content instead of pumping out that new but obsolete content nearly every update.
Disclaimer: before you complain I'm one of those "very small minority of players" you mentioned, I've pretty much stopped playing this game since a year+ ago. It's honestly disappointing for me to try and come back to this game, only to find out that the same problems still persist over the years. Also just because veteran players are the minority of the player base, doesn't mean it's right to ignore those players criticism and feedback. You should be rewarded for supporting the game for so long, not get treated like they are now.
I think a fascinating idea would be modes where players make their own kind of missions in Simularicum, similar to obstacle courses in Dojos, BUT with players imputing the mobs they've scanned for players to go against, capture, rescue, etc. Adding in a timer and you got clans, training to make themselves faster and more efficient for missions.
-DO YOU ALL WANT A FUCKING CONTENT?
-DO YOU?
-HERE ANOTHER PRIME VERSION AND A NEW MESSED FRAME THAT WE WILL FIX IN 2 YEARS.
I looove Warframe, but when they removed alerts (they didint, but they appear soooo rare) its so hard to get orokin catalyst/reactor. I mean i still love it, its just, its Like DE just Quit. But they didint. Like if u miss quests
KID FRIENDLY MEMES man i thought i was the dame with that problem! I cant find any reactor!
You're wrong by stating that WoW and Runescape have fun endgame and have retained players because of it. The sheer amount of content, and due to time gating, or just grinding for levels and armor is what have brought those games success, and continue to retain players. For WoW, a huge expansion comes out every 2 years, while progression is time gated so that you'd be doing dungeons and raids for months to get a full set of BiS gear. Runescape you sell your soul and grind currency hours and hours a day to get the gear you need. It would take you years to get 99 everything, and that's playing every day.
Warframe has always been easy to get into, and do well. You can get the best mods and weapons for a warframe in just a few days, or if you already have them, ranking up the warframe to 30 takes a few hours (while applying forma). It's always been easy to get to the best build possible for Warframe. When I picked Loki as my starter frame years ago around patch 10.0, it only took me about a month to deck him out with maxed out mods and BiS mods, completing him basically forever.
People find themselves bored in Warframe because they have a very strong build and can't find a reason to keep playing for the sake of playing, due to no improvement, or the somewhat stale gameplay. Warframe has content and tons of it, but it's useless content, seeing as the rewards aren't there for players who've reached "endgame", or the gameplay remains the same, but just reskinned.
I agree with most of what you said but I just wanna point out Loki isn't a starting frame.
@@wolfiemcfox7080 It definitely was back in the past. When did you start playing?
@@OMGEVISCERATE my mistake, you're right. I forgot he was the one that volt replaced in the starter frames
You're absolutely spot on. Let me just say this:
I've been playing this game for about 4 years consistently, even with a potato PC I used to have. I barely even visit the game now, once a month, just to see what it looks like, and I don't even run a single mission. Feel so wasted, and a place that used to be my refuge is now a big mess of "you need to do this in plains so you could get this in Fortuna so you could get a BP for this thing that is actually gonna be one of the 5 things needed for you to unlock that thing with archwing guns but you need to farm another component in a mission where you need to do... ".
Seriously, this is ridiculous and it has absolutely killed that little will I had left for playing Warframe, and I'm talking thousands of hours, and a full completionist mode at that.
Now I just look what I'm missing and feel like, meh, not worth it, even buying with plat, nothing anymore. It's sad but there's no helping it.
We need more quests. Excalibur Umbra was fun. It was more than cracking relics for the parts. I'm just wondering if DE wants us to hunt Umbra Forma for all of our frames now, like "That'll keep them busy". The one Umbra Forma we got as a reward in Nightwave is useless. Keep on grinding Tennos, I am.
Ok, here's my view on your points (Warning: lot of text)
1) More exposure = more potential players = more potential revenue.
For as long as it can be afforded, I don't see the problem with the exposure.
Of course people will stop coming at somepoint but you know the say "Resources aren't infinite", which translates into "the game can't attract new people forever", which is... kinda normal, not just for Warframe but for every game in existence.
Of course the game is also not gonna keep people engaged forever, but that's just how things are, and again not just with Warframe, and not just with videogames.
2) four things about the second point:
A) Sustainable content... you mean, like the endless missions ? The enemies scaling give the challenge, the rewards rotations give a small reward scaling, and the fact you can come back to play it again to improve your record as a replay value? To me that feels like sustainable content. One can say "but I feel bored from this", well, that has to be expected at somepoint, no game keeps people engaged forever, no matter how many gamemodes and how much content it has.
Also, people talk about "sustainable content" but never say WHAT KIND of sustainable content, and that kinda makes this critique fall flat and unconstructive.
B) I said it before in another video of yours and I'm gonna say it again:
Content takes time, the bigger and more gamechanging, the longer it takes to be made, and that's how it is not just with Warframe but with every game and everything outside the videogames world as well.
Not to mention the fact that new content can "interfere" with older content too, so there is the size of the game as well to count as a factor for the updates taking longer, just remember the Raids being removed because "kept breaking" with the updates, that is a perfect example of this.
If you think otherwise, just remember Anthem... you know, that one game certain people (and certain Warframe content creators) were praising like the second coming of Gesus on Earth, that was cobbled together in... 18 months ? Yeah, we all see how that ended up.
C) If you obtained all the Fortuna content in one month... well, congrats, because a lot of people (me included) did not until one or two months ago (and only thanks to the Exploiter toroids)... come to think of it, I still have a few things to do or get (some costumes and that damn "Race ace" achievement for the K-Drive)
D) Speaking of events, we have Nightwave now, which is kinda the same as old events except instead of doing a thing within a certain timeframe, we do a certain amount of tasks, which to me feels the same, just done differently (not to mention it improved the alert system).
Sorry if I say this, but rather than beating a dead horse, this point feels like trying to hit a piñata blindfolded while walking in the opposite direction.
3) The game was more flourish of ideas before because it was new and not all of the ideas were made.
I can talk about this point from a personal experience: I am an artist, and back when I started, I had LOTS of ideas for pictures and comics and things to do art-wise, but as time goes on and years pass, it also gets a bit harder and harder to find new ideas that haven't been done already.
This is yet another thing to be expected, also because, obviousely, the more you play, the more things you have done, and the more you have "unlocked".
Of course, at somepoint you are going to hit a "wall" and you can either A) wait for the wall to move on, or B) get back on your steps and try to walk on one leg... or on your hands... or just walk the same road again.
If you can't do either, maybe is time you walk another path.
4) People saying they don't like a change =/= people are tired of the game
5) Some primes did have a cinematic intros, but there are many earlier ones that didn't have any... yes, we didn't have anymore after Mirage, but we also didn't have any at all before Saryn so, can be that considered really as a "cut" ? Besides, I don't know you but i can live without a trailer showcase (is cool to see, but is it really that important ?), i mean, is not because of the trailers that I play Warframe or get the primes.
6) I don't get what is wrong about primes being "cheap" in the market, it only means they are more accessible, and... I honestly don't see the issue here... other than the baby argument "Reeeeee, I buy prime access/farm for hundred hours but other people don't and get them cheap for trading, tis makes me mad" (and sorry if I say it like that)... which, if you think about it, is the equivalent of going mad over Nintendo games for having an "Easy mode", and i don't see a possible reason for that beyond the "elitism".
To me, you and some other people just sound tired, and i can understand that, all veterans get tired of games at somepoint, and I know it because I also got tired of Team Fortress 2 when i reached 3000 hours... and you know what I did ? I just left. And you know what I did after ? I came back to play some more later and... I was happy again, rocket jumping, building sentryguns in absurd spots, dancing with teammates and enemyes off a cliff, you name it.
So, if you are so tired and feel "unhappy/bored" about Warframe, why don't you just take a break from it ? Rahetalius also did it (although for "serious" reasons) so why don't you do the same ? Play something else and come back later, you'll see the game with different eyes, i know it, i'm been thorough that too.
@Otakuwolf I really like what you said because I feel the same. I took a break of couple months and the game was like a new one. And the real problem are the "vets", i don't know what they are doing but i always have something to do. I don't rush until i have everything in 3 months. I'm at 2000 hours and I have plenty of stuff i wanna do or try out. The vets just rush within 2 weeks to have everything a new update as to offer. There is plenty of content, if you feel bored, leave and don't complain about lack of content. I know the game have many problems but, they are doing their best to solve things.
@@benny609 Not even ALL the vets, i'm at 4686 hours as I'm writing this comment and I still have stuff to get and do in the game, and I belive that's because, unlike many other vets, the only times i spend money in Warframe is to buy inventory slots or cosmetics.
Referring to another comment from another video, which says the exact same thing I always keep saying too, the only people having so many problems with Warframe are:
1) Content creators who get the stuff quick and cheap for review purpouse
2) People who spend money to skip the grind
3) Super hardcores that don't play anything else and "can't find" anything else to play
If you are going to pay to skip the grind and literally not play the game, then yes, you may obviousely have potential problems with the game, and it wouldn't be an issue on it's own (more power to you, it's your money, you decide how to spend it, etc.), but at least it would be "good taste" to not complain there is nothing to do when you have literally spent money to not have anything to do in the first place.
Funny enough, i still remember some Warframe "content creator" complaining about "not having anything to do in Fortuna" less than a month after it's release, while also saying to have bought his K-Drive, kitgun materials, and Operator suits... Gee, i wonder why he had nothing to do (sorry for the sarcasm).
And if they play the game so much to burn out... that's on them, nobody is forcing them to only and exclusively play Warframe, and nobody is forcing them to only make gameplay videos either, look at Quiette Shy, she makes Warframe ART and manages to do related content even without playing the game, so why can't those burned out veterans try something similar ? I even saw some guys making an OCTAVIA BAND playing actual musics using Octavia's manachord ! Is almost like Warframe is more than just a looter-shooter game and many vets can't see it.
@@animewolfOtakuwolf I was more talking about the vets that complain all the time. You are suppose to play a game you like and to have fun, to main thing some of them don't seems to have.
@@benny609 Imo they will never have fun anymore at all.
It doesen't matter what DE will bring up to the table, it will never be enough, these vets don't know what they want themselves, so, of course they will never be happy and will always complain, and they can't expect DE to live in their minds and find the solution out of nowhere.
All they have are "vague" complaints about "sustainable content" but either never say what kind of, or say something that resembles what the game offers already (or did offer but didn't bother to play when it was around), and that's why i think they'll never be happy.
Also, making drama videos is apparently easier than talking about actual game content (devstreams breakdown as an example) or make "side content" like Shy or Better Name Pending do (or Rahetalius when he made his "concept checkup" videos), so there you have another reason why these vets won't stop complaining anytime soon.
@@animewolfOtakuwolf It's totally true and I really like your point of view!
Ok so imma preface this by saying that I'm not a "veteran" but i've been playing the game off and on since the first day Plains dropped 1 and a half years ago and have over 1200 hours in the game, so it's not like I downloaded the game yesterday, either. And while I haven't personally experienced Old Warframe(tm), I've heard a lot about it, and I was following the game since its reveal trailer in 2012, it just didn't interest me personally until Plains. And it seems that Plains marked a key point in Warframe's development. DE is at a point where they're constantly trying to reinvent the game, and it's working. New content every 6 months or so such as Plains and Railjack, in addition to giant boss fights, all that stuff is great. It's just, it's not really sustainable for a game like Warframe. DE needs to realize that they're a mid-sized studio, not a triple A studio, and these new and exciting things take way too much of their resources. They realized that when they shut down the other game they were working on, and they need to realize it now with things like Railjack and open worlds that are essentially making a new game alongside Warframe.
Warframe's development is becoming _scarily_ similar to that of Team Fortress 2. It's not quite that bad, as the developers still visibly care about the game they're making, but the solution to their problem of lack of major updates is similar, and they obviously want to make more updates but simply can't. Why not outsource the big projects like Railjack and open worlds to another studio, while working on smaller stuff like new frames, events, and the gas city rework in-house? They're making another game entirely anyways with all the new modes that keep being added, and while they usually get a positive reception, the downside is how fast the community burns through the content and how there's usually nothing else for months afterwards. Is it a money thing? I dunno, I think the risk vs reward would be worth it.
side note, a side effect of this is that the plot of the game is just stale, which isn't good at all for people who care about it. Due to the Fortuna previews, it's apparent that things happen on the Warframe timeline as they're added, so that means canonically we've gone an entire year without seeing Lotus and Crackly Lotus has performed just as good as regular Lotus, in some cases even better as new voicelines have been added since. So why should I even care what happens to her? The last story quest left on a cliffhanger, as if it was about to continue, but it's just been stuck in limbo for a year with no sign of continuing. What's really odd to me is that open worlds don't even advance the plot, they're just localized side plots, which are fun, but you'd think that after all that time making them, they'd have something to do with the main story, right?
and hooo boy dont get me started on steven universe, that show _wishes_ it was warframe, if it was more comparable to wf it would at least still be good
I refuse to believe that they lack the funds to hire a boat load of new developers. The game is very popular and from what I've gathered, a sizable chunk of the player base spends money on it. I'm under the impression that they make money like a triple-A studio even if they aren't one.
@@andrewmoldovan717 Yeah i would honestly love to see a comparison between Destiny and Warframe's revenue stream
The years between 2013-2016 was the best time of my teenage years. Warframe has given me more joy than any other game.
I don’t think it’s declining, i think “stagnating “is a better term. There’s really only so much you can do in a given area for games, and i feel like they’ve done it...
google account not really, there’s still so much they can tap into we’ve only have like 3 major lore missions.
Video's geared towards veteran players, you say? Closed beta vet here and I've been amused for years whenever one of these vids drop 😁
Mark Arandjus what do you mean?
@@gangsta_pigeon8023 people have been saying for years the game is declining when in reality it has ever more content and players and imporovement.
I played this game when rhino prime was barely coming out this game was so addicting and fun at that time everyone would jump into the void for new prime frames and it was hype all around the chat rooms amazing times honestly.came back to it like a month ago and got bored fairly quickly i feel like devs are just becoming lazy and dont know what they want for the game.
I miss the dark sector conflicts. The pride in taking a rail. The clan / alliance having to work together to defend, being able to adjust taxes, getting rid of clans having high tax (on ps4 at least) and the background drama among clans made it so unpredictable, which made it all the more interesting
As a relatively new player, I really enjoy that there are quests to get frames. It makes it feel a little less grindy. But in regards to where this game was a few years ago it is so so so much better.
its definitely not in decline, but there is a need for a true endgame.
@@warriorfellainias8122 I dont think we are talking about the same game, but ill leave ya to it.
That absolutely was NOT your opinion. You stated facts and presented as facts. The only thing about this that was subjective was how you feel about it. There's nothing wrong with saying you are right about this if you can (and did) demonstrate that what you're saying is accurate.
I think the core of this game of completing all the story missions, finishing the galaxy map, putting favorite builds together fashion framing, and standing for ranks at any of the open worlds is about 300-500 hours right there. Anything after that and it becomes riven hunting, making random fun builds to get a higher master rank etc etc etc is what can make it feel like it is out of content. Because it is a dead game for me after 500 + hours until new content comes out. I play it in moderation now it is not an every day for 6 years game as a veteran I knew this and took 6months off each year to see what other games there are. And it can be really enjoyable at a once a week sort of thing to do a sortie and visit your clan to talk to people. Not a bad social platform to chill on a friday night. So with that formula, it doesnt feel dry bones or like I need to complain about how it is boring and DE needs to fix more of what the players of 4000 hours are asking for. Honestly they are one of the best developers in the industry right now and this free live service game is better than half of the shit that dies out in a few weeks time. Hats off for this amazing product and like I said if you are ever feeling like it is turning into a dead end when you log in, treat it like a vice you have and take some time off and come back when youre ready to absorb new gameplay. Decreasing your hours you get on and playing sparingly will help tremendously with how you feel about it. I clocked only 550 hours in it and I can say that I will not put my self through a grind to be a completionist or perfectionist and unlock everything to reach thousands of hours. Thats me though I get some people are like that but save yourself from overdoing it if I have any more advice to give.
I stopped playing for about a solid 2 months by now, I still sign in every now and then and I can just say that I can no longer have the interest to play a single mission. It's just doesn't do it for me, and that saddens me somewhat because I poured hours of my life on to a game that a genuinely enjoyed and wholeheartedly got excited for. Farming and building stuff just doesn't feel the same anymore ...
Ya see, not playing the game 24/7 is a good way to avoid burnout.
Lol why don't more people get this. People love regurgitating the opinions of "content creators" who play the game all fucking day.
@@DreadedLad88 content creators rush everything primarly to have stuff to record, and once they record everything and theres no more content, the only thing they can do are rants like this.
Tbh yea wf needs more updates, but playin 24/7 is retarted.
Warframe: *exist*
The Reaper Hunter: “It’s free real-estate”
One thing that just makes Warframe’s content dull or just uninteresting is that DE doesn’t even bother to explain anything at all. Fortuna is huge but what the hell do I do with it? I researched about Warframe online more than I ever did on my degree.
As addition to the video I'm also missing the importance of CC (crowd control).
Back in the old days having a CC in your group was pretty much mandatory, but these days with those updated warframes and powerful mods you don't need CC anymore, because everything dies instantly anyway.
I prefer challenge over cakewalk and currently Warframe doesn't offer any of that challenge. Saryn is a fine example for what I mean with this.
Saryn used to be my main warframe, because it was a really good dps warframe for the end game, but only if you knew what you were doing. You had to use different types of weapons and status effects to build up your Spore damage before you consumed it with Miasma. This playstyle was challenging, because you had to be aware of how and when to spread the Spores.
But then DE went and buffed the Miasma so that instead of it consuming the Spores, it spreads them instead. This increased Saryn's damage astronomically and you no longer had to worry about spreading the Spores yourself. This change also removed the enjoyment of playing this warframe, at least for me.
My point is that it feels like DE's main goal for each warframe's design is to make them as simple as possible so that they're easily accessible for everyone.
Warframe is a decent F2P game, but I can't help but miss the old days.
I really miss the quests, i like the lore but they just don't give a crap about it. Many new Warframes laterly that just exist, we learn nothing about them, they just exist now.
What about Baruuk the "pacifist" Warframe sounds cool right?, a killing machine that has taken to being that and we learn nothing he just exists now as a rep grind.
New War and Railjack better be worth it all i'm saying, because that's where all their effort is apparently.
i get burnt out just by watching this gameplay footage
I feel that there’s nothing that compelled me to continue playing after Mars(heck, even after earth). I joined pretty recently and I can say that there’s absolutely nothing for new players to look forwards to after getting to Mars and getting stumped about the cephalon fragments (since the game gives no tell of what those were until you searched it up). It feels like an empty game that once had a big impact with many fun things yet I wasn’t there to experience it which is so disappointing for a game I heard was the greatest f2p game.
I just started playing the game a few months ago and I feel like there is so much to do I feel like I'll never get to it all. And I feel like from talking to new players they feel the same way. It seems that, like many games that have a hardcore player-base, the veterans forget that new players is what support a lot of the cash influx in games, along with players who are time constrained, as they are who spend money. For people who only have a few hours a week to play, end game is plentiful, as is the walk their. Just my two cents, I know every game is more complicated than that, but the people who have been on the forums and Reddits for ages aren't necessarily who is financially supporting the game, though they may be supporting it in a community sense, and even if they do spend money, they are usually a minority compared to new or "still working towards/just getting to endgame" players. Looking at the game through their eyes usually gives a better idea of the health of a game like Warframe or other multiplayer/looter-shooter/MMO style games.
I'll be honest. Seems like veterans are bitter that the game gives time to newcomers to catch up with them.
Which is why I hold judgement until I am actually at the point when I can decide for myself. I don't believe that a few loud voices necessarily represent the interests of the whole nor are they necessarily right.
Agreed.
Just make an endless tower with increasing difficulty and tons of bosses.
Husky HMMMMMmm
As someone who began playing in 2013 and did so regularly for 2-3 more years and then quit and returned a few times, I agree. At the same time I find it a little sad that every year I see this realization about the state of the game, It means the issues we have been having since 2013 are still here and thats another thing, some think this is a recent or a "now" issue when in reality it has always been this way, DE didn't provide proper end game for years and when they did it was mediocre at best, ended up ruining it or outright removed it:
Raids were nice but we only ever had two of them and it took what felt like forever to get the second one and then they were forgotten, they had nice "puzzles" or challenges which got clanmates to try and organize groups to do more than just shot at trash
Sorties were alright, one needed lvl 30 warframes and had special conditions then they just made the rewards not rotate giving you less incentive to play them and limiting their longetivity