I loved CB&Q long distance service. Get on at LaGrange Road, get off in Minneapolis. The trip west and then north along the Mississippi River through the Wisconsin Palisades was and still is beautiful. Miss it all very much.
Such beautiful equipment for those trains. We're lucky that some of the Burlington equipment survived into private car service. You certainly have filled us with western train knowledge, which means (drum roll) one of these days you're going have to delve into the lines east of Chicago (wink, wink). Thanks for another great video.
The Chicago Burlington and Quincy really stood out because they Pioneered the Streamline Budd cars beginning with the Pioneer Zephyr and the fleet of Zephyrs. They also Pioneered the Vista Dome Cars. In many ways they really are what I considered to be the Orgiinators of the streamliners.
14:17: This is actually the dome parlor observation car from the Kansas City Zephyr. The CZ observation car's dome was closer to the rear. Also the CZ's letterboard said California Zephyr, not Burlington. You can't really see it from this angle but the car shown here has a flat end while the CZ's was round ended. Because the KCZ was not very successful, its dome parlors were eventually transferred to the Twin Zephyrs because the lengthened schedule made it impossible for a train set to make the round trip in one day. I rode this car back in 77 on Amtrak's pre-Superliner Empire Builder. It had been converted to a lounge and was substituting for the Great Dome, a bit of a disappointment. If CB&Q had a 'flagship" train, it was the Denver Zephyr.
The dome sleeper on the North Coast Limited also had the "Lounge in the Sky" service that replaced the rear-end Rainier lounge. One restored Rainier is at the Lake Superior Museum at the Union Depot in Duluth.
When youi had mentioned the types of dome cars such as only the Union Pacific running dome diners you were correct however you definitely made a mistake when you mentioned dome sleeper and the Milwakee Road. The Milwaukee road never ran with dome sleepers. The only domes the Milwaukee Road owned with 10 Super Domes Lounge Cars which were built iin 1952 and they were the first full dome cars built by Pullman Standard. When it came to domesleepers. The Northern Pacific has several of them that ran on the North Coast Limited that ran both to Seattle and Portland from Chicago. During the Winter Season of most of the 1960s they would lease some of their dome sleepers to the Illinois Central for service on the City of Miami and also to the Pennsylavania Railroad to run on the South Wind which also ran from Chicago to Miami with a section to Tampa and St Petersburg on the west coast of Florida. The Baltimore and Ohio railroad also owned 3 dome sleepers that ran on the Capital Limited and on one of 2 sets of the Shenandoah from Chicago to Washington and Baltimore. The California Zephyr's Vista Dome Observation Lounge car also had a few sleeping car rooms on it. other then that that was it as far as dome sleepers go.
It's really sad that the US doesn't believe in investing in passenger rail but adding 1 more lane is the best use of money. We need bi-daily long distance trains, on upgraded tracks 110/125mph.
Speaking of high-speed rail St. Paul to Chicago: came across a "snooze" paper in St. Paul (Dispatch-Pioneer Press) while visiting in August 1985 and in the news, there was extensive coverage of proposed high-speed rail service. 38 years later and we are still waiting. Mix politics with good passenger rail service and the service always losers. We may never see it return again. Just saying. Not in my lifetime, it would appear.
Back in December 1970 was at St. Paul Union Depot and a red cap was seranading the station announcer's version of Afternoon Zephry stops: "WIN-ona ... LA Crosse .... PRAIRIE du ... (left out the "Chien" of this Wisconsin stop) ,,, EAST Dubuque ..." Miss those days.
I loved CB&Q long distance service. Get on at LaGrange Road, get off in Minneapolis. The trip west and then north along the Mississippi River through the Wisconsin Palisades was and still is beautiful. Miss it all very much.
Such beautiful equipment for those trains. We're lucky that some of the Burlington equipment survived into private car service. You certainly have filled us with western train knowledge, which means (drum roll) one of these days you're going have to delve into the lines east of Chicago (wink, wink). Thanks for another great video.
There are still plenty of things to cover West of the Mississippi. I haven't even touched Texas yet or some of the trains around St. Paul.
@@thetrainhopper8992 I know. I just thought I'd give you some goof. Cheers.
The CNW and MILW route through Milwaukee was shorter than going through Aurora as the Zephyr did.
The Chicago Burlington and Quincy really stood out because they Pioneered the Streamline Budd cars beginning with the Pioneer Zephyr and the fleet of Zephyrs. They also Pioneered the Vista Dome Cars. In many ways they really are what I considered to be the Orgiinators of the streamliners.
Thanks for these amazing lectures!
14:17: This is actually the dome parlor observation car from the Kansas City Zephyr. The CZ observation car's dome was closer to the rear. Also the CZ's letterboard said California Zephyr, not Burlington. You can't really see it from this angle but the car shown here has a flat end while the CZ's was round ended. Because the KCZ was not very successful, its dome parlors were eventually transferred to the Twin Zephyrs because the lengthened schedule made it impossible for a train set to make the round trip in one day. I rode this car back in 77 on Amtrak's pre-Superliner Empire Builder. It had been converted to a lounge and was substituting for the Great Dome, a bit of a disappointment. If CB&Q had a 'flagship" train, it was the Denver Zephyr.
True, the DZ survived in Burlington Northern and Amtrak.
Milwaukee Road did NOT have dome sleepers. The North Coast Limited during the summer had 1 dome sleeper to Seattle and 1 dome sleeper to Portland.
The dome sleeper on the North Coast Limited also had the "Lounge in the Sky" service that replaced the rear-end Rainier lounge. One restored Rainier is at the Lake Superior Museum at the Union Depot in Duluth.
Forgot to mention the Lounge in the Sky went to Seattle.
The silver view car is in Oregon il
When youi had mentioned the types of dome cars such as only the Union Pacific running dome diners you were correct however you definitely made a mistake when you mentioned dome sleeper and the Milwakee Road. The Milwaukee road never ran with dome sleepers. The only domes the Milwaukee Road owned with 10 Super Domes Lounge Cars which were built iin 1952 and they were the first full dome cars built by Pullman Standard. When it came to domesleepers. The Northern Pacific has several of them that ran on the North Coast Limited that ran both to Seattle and Portland from Chicago. During the Winter Season of most of the 1960s they would lease some of their dome sleepers to the Illinois Central for service on the City of Miami and also to the Pennsylavania Railroad to run on the South Wind which also ran from Chicago to Miami with a section to Tampa and St Petersburg on the west coast of Florida. The Baltimore and Ohio railroad also owned 3 dome sleepers that ran on the Capital Limited and on one of 2 sets of the Shenandoah from Chicago to Washington and Baltimore.
The California Zephyr's Vista Dome Observation Lounge car also had a few sleeping car rooms on it. other then that that was it as far as dome sleepers go.
It's really sad that the US doesn't believe in investing in passenger rail but adding 1 more lane is the best use of money. We need bi-daily long distance trains, on upgraded tracks 110/125mph.
Speaking of high-speed rail St. Paul to Chicago: came across a "snooze" paper in St. Paul (Dispatch-Pioneer Press) while visiting in August 1985 and in the news, there was extensive coverage of proposed high-speed rail service. 38 years later and we are still waiting. Mix politics with good passenger rail service and the service always losers. We may never see it return again. Just saying. Not in my lifetime, it would appear.
You did pronounce Dubuque correctly. Heard enough of dub- uh-kyoo or duh--boo-key
If there is one thing I've learned in this business it's that people get really offended if someone "mispronounces" something. Lol
Back in December 1970 was at St. Paul Union Depot and a red cap was seranading the station announcer's version of Afternoon Zephry stops: "WIN-ona ... LA Crosse .... PRAIRIE du ... (left out the "Chien" of this Wisconsin stop) ,,, EAST Dubuque ..." Miss those days.