The Truth Behind Pay 2 Win in Throne and Liberty
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- Опубліковано 22 лис 2024
- A huge topic of discussion is always the monetisation in Throne and Liberty and if its pay to win! I really made this video so I can link it in my chat as its something that gets asked very often, but, I'd love to get your take too in the comments!
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That gear progression looks painfully confusing like a mobile game lol
It was supposed to be a mobile game so that makes sense
its really not hard once you get into it, it just looks confusing from an outside perspective
I got some beginner guides coming but yeah, deffo takes a little to get your head around but once you got it, it’s pretty fun -- ish! Haha
It's absolutely gatcha like. Porting it to ps5😂 oohh god damn. It runs pretty ugly. Fun game though. I'll be spending some cash on this one.
@@ImDevs that makes it badly designed lol
yeah this is to much p2w for me, passing on this one (after waiting for a few years). gl bois and gals
Itll be dead in the US within a month anyway. Itll be just like Lost Ark basically, but worse.
@@TheNichq doubt it since it has a console release.
@@NessHypegaming just means it'll take longer to die.
This is basically warframe market system which i actually love it tbh. You grind for stuff people actually wants and sell it as a f2p player i can dig that ill buy cosmetics with what i earn just like i did with warframe cool feature ngl
The difference being that Warframe has a non-existent PvP scene and the whole endgame loop is PvE. This game’s endgame on the contrary, like a lot of Korean MMOs appears to revolve around PvP which becomes problematic soon as some people can swipe to gain a significant advantage over their opponents.
the whales will love you. yum yum
And waste hours and hours of your life only to realize 10yrs down the line that that time could have been spent on your own development, your health, on family members etc
Permanent damage to life
Eventhough in both games the premium currency is tradable, the issue is that they're completely different games. Warframe is entirely PVE focused and PVP is pretty much nonexistent. TL is almost entirely PVP focused and thus any kind of progression advantage is going to have a snowball effect. This goes for the PVE content as well, let's take a look at world bosses. In the peaceful ones, where you don't engage with other players, you're still competing in terms of DPS, because only the top damage dealers get gear drops. The earlier you get a gear advantage, the less competition you'll have for gear drops and thus the more lucent you'll be able to make from selling their traits. By the time that F2P players manage to get fully traited T1 gear, the next content patch and new gear will get released and the cycle is going to keep getting repeated.
@@JoyP09 You could say that about anything.
im loving that thumbnail cover! great job dude!
@@CooliceT 😂😂 thanks bro
Had no idea Rhett from GMM plays Throne.
I mean why did we even strive to work our jobs and earn right?? Lezzgo pay to win!
Ahaha exactly! Work IRL to swipe in game….. 🤩😂
Hi, thanks for the vid, Im still trying to figure out if I invest time into this or not. I don't mind paying for a battle pass, but not if I have to both pay AND grind 8 hours a day.
What's the grind situation? Will there be hours of farming, or just some daily,weekly stuff that I can get done in 20 minutes in days I don't feel like playing? With reasonable hours and reasonable swiping, will a whale kill me just by farting in my general direction? Oh, and does ping affect it much (I might play on a faraway server with friends, so...)?
Am I wrong? I thought tier 2 was not going be in at launch?
thx for the truth! 👍
Good to know what to expect, I don't like p2w, but hopefully I'll manage without swiping/ swiping much
Yh I want the pvp scene to thrive, it's better to have more new player getting involved = new competitions/ strategies/ meeting new people etc
Basically this is warframe which only way to get plat is to buy plat or to sell stuff people wants good to see this have something similar which means f2p players can severely benefit
I've play this game for long hours during 4 days
I can tell you this game could be "Pay2Win" With 2 conditions:
1st- If was seasonal like Path of Exile
2nd- No PVP maps on Main Quest maps
3 months, one season, release a huge path with some changes, everyone migrate to fix server
Wanna test new stuffs? Go to seasonal and start all over again!
Other problem i've seen is the amount of people spamming "Join guild"
I'm really not the kind of Guild guy and all games that forces you to join a Guild/Clan or you will be in Problems in Some maps cause "PVP on " where suppose to be PVE
Other stupid problem is how Easy and unbalanced the game guides you to Late game, This way you will just have "Late game" things to do like PVP bs, Guild Battles and Pay2Win Content
Regarding your first point, a game that includes content updates with new gear, which makes old gear obsolete, is on-par with seasonal games. As to be expected, we'll be getting new gear periodically, so it's kind of like a soft reset, and those that spend money will be able to get it earlier. By the time that a F2P player manages to get fully traited T1 gear, the next content update with T2 gear is going to be right around the corner.
nice vid! is there no pvp item power balancing? or in arenas? or is it just strongest player wins rather than skill?
Korean game… what did you expect
@@oddy5868 never played Korean game , was expecting/hoping for some element of skill. I can understand wars being gear based but what if arenas? Also are there any rewards for doing dungeon PVP at night ?
im the type of person that constantly plays, which i plan to do on this game. after work, i play. during the weekend, i play. majority of the time im playing the game. so what’s your take on somebody like me? how fast would i progress, do you think? would i be behind or kind of in the middle.
If you want to PvP, competitively, you are going to be a bit behind the curve I f you do not swipe - but grab yourself the battle pass and a couple of traits if you don’t get the ones you need dropped and you will feel much better
@@Danneh noted! thank you. i don’t mind swiping from time to time too. so ill definitely get the bp. i appreciate the information. gave you a sub as well. can’t wait for the guide videos 😎
@@curlblue7529 Man, that's my point too... you pay 15$ a month to play WoW and still buy the expansions at the price of a full game... so if you buy an expansion too you spend 240$ in that year to play every day... so let's say you spend 10$ on the battle pass and swipe for another 20$ on the store to buy other stuff you need... that's 30$ which will get you to endgame faster and you start selling your shit to other players and buy the next Battle pass for free and keep making lucent until you literally are paying with other people's money for you shit...
So you spent 30$ on a game to play for a whole year with that? How the fuck is that expensive compared to WoW???
@@Dannehgood thing we are at early access there will be 0 reason to swipe won't be worth it but I won't tell others that so I can take advantage of auction house as a f2p player just like warframe
youre just plankton for the whales lmfaoo
so in your honest opinion, how soloable is this mmo? im more the type that likes the aspect of them i just prefer to play solo in the company of others. ive heard its really guild oriented and i just dont wanna waste my time playing if i have to constantly converse w people. thoughts?
@@skellingten3675 this is a guild PvP focused mmorpg… you can contribute to a guilds level but smashing all the events and stuff absolutely but you’re gonna need to play with people for dungeons etc
@@Danneh ahh okok. thats fine. so are they like matchmaking dungeons or dungeons w guilds? ive just seen so many different things upon doing research ab the game im just not sure.
@@skellingten3675 Just get in a guild... you can switch a few in the beginning until you find one you mesh well with but being in a guild is THE most fun thing in MMOs... nothing beats clearing an end game dungeon or raid while shit-talking the whole way and making fun of each other every time you wipe against a boss... just make sure to find a guild that is kinda serious about doing things and at the same time they're not toxic sweatlords that become whining 5 year olds every time the team wipes in a dungeon cause you are "wasting their time with your noob shit build"... these guilds do exist and it's so much fun to be in one... going into a big PvP event while shit-talking on discord is fucking awesome...
@@sportschool3537 Battle is nice, Joining to a raid is fine, But when they put "PVP on" maps makes everything frustrating and forces the "P2W" when you cap 50
@@Deus_Te_Ama_Muito So PvP makes it P2W... hmmm... yeah... that makes no sense at all since all you gotta do is gear up by playing the game... the game has a ton of mechanics that reward you with stuff to help you progress... I've already gotten several Epic drops and have sold stuff on the market easily to make lucent and I'm not a no-lifer.
So chill... this is an MMO, it's a marathon, not a sprint... the game is out 3 days and people think they are behind because they don't already have maxed Epic gear... newsflash, nobody does... I haven't been one shot even once in all the PvP I've done and I barely have upgraded blue gear...
I agree with you. People just go with play more grind harder remember guys you want new people to join and have fun if you don't the game you love will die so if you want the game to survive especially this game that is even more affected by player number might want to look at the bigger picture than just I grinding more so f u get one shot.
@@Cjbreezey I read all that without breathing! Thanks for your comment 🫡
@Danneh phone commenting for me means zedd proper pronunciation and Grammar 🤣 I'll keep my brain cells for work emails, not exactly gushing with them.
At the end of the day the game is free. Im going to feel it out for about 90 days and see if its manageable or not. The problem that I'm seeing is the fact that this was started as a gacha game. The game play has moved away from that thankfully, but the monetization has not which is worrisome. People need to feel like they are progressing. Money based progression stifles games, and in the end based on what i know. This game will not last. So even if i decide to drop hundreds of dollars on the game its a temporary fix to the elephant in the room. The game needs high player counts. people will quit if its pay to win. the whales will be left over which means any f2p players still sticking around out of copium will be dogshit compared to the rest of the server. Like i said they've got me for 90 days. if whales start pulling away and average player counts drop more than 30-40% I'm out. i wont invest in a dying game. Oh and (its doing okay in Korea) means nothing. Koreans are roach level when it comes to MMOs. They can play without sunlight, sleep, food, anything, its a well known social issue in Korea. that shit wont translate the same in the US. Trust.
100% true. I have preordered this because of the mmo drought. But if it does indeed turn out to be p2w, it will die. And quickly.
Rightly said xdmguy
if you get a bonus for the Amitoi's do you have to keep it out for the bonus or can you put it away & still get the bonus?
Nah they stay “in your inventory” to get the bonus
@@Danneh ok cool TYVM for replying much appreciated!!!
The morphs are not that concerning in regards to p2w. The ones you get from the playing the game gives you 15 exp, but the ones you get from shop gives you only 3 exp. You are pretty limited on how many of them you can purchases in shop. (3 flying, 2 swimming, 1 dash - currently in KR). SO pretty much nothing.
The rest i totally agree. The above is just something I would like to add :)
I am hoping that they will provide non p2w players with enough features how to catch up to p2w players. Changes to the drops not being trade able and limiting extraction stones, so you are unable to sell things, is pretty good overally.
The time it's going to take for players to gear up to PvP is going to come down to early access servers that older players cannot access. And vice versa.
I thought I saw a scaling feature added for lower level folks in pvp or no?
There is scaling, but if a geared player comes into a lower level zone vs the player already at that level. The geared guy still gonna kick sss
@@Danneh Oh I am sure of that.
If there was ranked pvp that might be great or lvl based match making where only certain lvls can pvp each other
I would like to see cashing out of loose, so if you make a whole lot by farming that you can cash it out for real money like a job
lol no, no video game company will ever hand you money for playing their game unless its esports
Hahaha I’d love that!
@@Danneh No you wouldn't... people would be 100 times more toxic if they could make real money... seriously... you'd have actual all out fights in every dungeon run about who gets what... it would be unplayable... you DON'T want to give these fucktards the option to make real money... they're toxic enough as it is...
I’m an English speaker living in Korea and I wanna start playing t&l in English with an English speaking guild. Do you recommend waiting for the global release or would it be fine to play on kr? I’m worried the English community will disappear once global releases and I heard some things aren’t translated like some skill descriptions.
@@davidsuzuki5136 KR is awesome you would be fine there but Global release is in a few days so not long to wait if you wanted to try that first
What lvl are we able to buy from the auction house?
I think they just changed it to 40
@@Danneh dang I was hoping that's the lvl u need to be able to sell. Welp mad dash to 40 😂
How are you playing the game isnt it closed or the beta closed i just found out about the game so i dont know
Launched in KR 9 months ago mate
I've already seen someone selling a weapon for 1.5 million lucent. Some people are greedy af
after lost ark i learned my lesson also korean games are hardcore cash grab...
good luck guys and enjoy!
that's it finally this is the game spend of lot of time grind(4-6)Hours a day to get somewhere in 7-9 months maybe and finaly u get there a new update coming out and start over or swipe a lot another dead game in EU :D (Me personal i will not spend a dime i will play until i get stuck and move over same like majority )
DUDE! You look like Johan Hegg ( Vocalist ) from Amon Amarth! That by itself earns you a damn like! Keep on rocking, my brother! THROW those horns up!!!!! \m/
New world is the game eveyone ask for but shits on , no pay to win , no mods ,no sub
Officially, correct, unofficialy I don’t think I’ve seen so many rich gamers in a game for a while. Gold selling in that game is a serious business 😂
@@Danneh prove it , if that were true , the economy trading post would be a disaster and it absolutely fine ...
@@jamesleonard4126 Just ask most people's G2G history - trust me
Spent 100€ on g2g to get some bis bows so yeah new world can be p2w af and you obviously didn't play it seriously if you contest that fact.
@@jamesleonard4126 But it's "fine" only because the game is literally dead, most of the ones who has millions of duped gold have quit the game, since whats the point showing all that gold when no one to show it to? The duping bugs since launch several times happened and that gold did not all never leave the game, it happened several times. Economy was total disaster at those times when there were the dupings and people trolling whole market with it. It's a dead game, let it die with dignity. :)
Big ups to you for telling the truth Danneh. Its Zlix the leader of blood rose, we did some rifts and boons together with clappin cheeks for a bit when we had the NA alliance on kazar/asota, before the server transferring. It's a hard pill to swallow, but the game at its core is P2W we cannot deny that to the new players. But that's not the worse part brother, the worse part will be the bots and scripting happening in the west. Amazon is terrible at having bot control. Because the game is good, if the bots didn't destroy market boards like they do and have done, which effectively kills the free players lucent making potential the game would without a doubt do well. Its p2w isn't as aggressive because of the early caps on how far you can actually gear up by milestones. But because these issues exist its hard to say how it will do.
Yeah, I’ll keep going to work and I’ll just pay to win since I’m not going to play 24/7. Lol.
So basically the AH that D3, which essentially killed that game and Blizzard was forced to change it. Sounds like a winning formula here in the West lol.
Warframe has had the same monetization system for ages.
Warframe is PvE 4 man coop game, also the weapons are pointless without upgraded mods. comepltley diffirent monetization
@@MrBalrogos Sounds like same monetization, different game category.
@@jamzbraz Weapons in WF are pointless but still you need credits and endo to upgrade mods which you will use on weapons and any PvE game just simply cannot be P2W. You also dont have limits on farming like T&L so you farm as long as many times you want you are not limited like in T&L to encourage using of premium shop and buying pass for more dungs perk week.
@@MrBalrogos spending tons of money in warframe is still an advantage though. I actually love Warframes monetization and Thrones.
@@ddfstar7588 the only advantage is you spend less time when grinding
I mean, if you can trade items foor the currency you can buy with rl money. its basicly only buying gold. the pass is just regular these days..
Yup, free to play players can earn by selling
Then Theres really no problem... i mean if you want to scroll past the fun part of the game, and skip to pvp. You learn alot more by grinding have lots more fun and will probably be better late game. As long as its not "premium" like you cant get a hold of it from base game I see no issues woth this😊
@@SiicHeadshotkills Exactly... that's my point... and btw, in WoW you can buy gold from the game and buy the best gear day 1 and at the same time they're charging you 180$ per year plus the expansions to play... and somehow this F2P game that lets you earn things by playing is P2W and WoW is the game you should play instead... you really can't make this shit up... big MMO UA-camrs are probably literally being paid by the big studios at this point cause there's no way they're all that fucking dumb...
@@sportschool3537 i played eso for 11 years and I loved until end game. I think we need something new, and I think everyone agree. Old games fade out, its ofc fun but its the same as allways and we need a big new game to reach the top.
@@SiicHeadshotkills ESO has great story telling but I could never get over the absolute dogshit that is the combat system and also the fact that the open world is so tediously underpowered and easy that you literally never feel threatened... I mean a good story is great but the moment to moment fun in this game is a fucking insult the the art of video gaming design...
Plus it's mad expensive cause playing without paying for all the "pay for convenience" shit they have is torture...
Is this like platinum on Warframe?
Yes
Reading the comments on james' thoughts, I'm not sure if everyone was living under a rock, but there has been no content in New World cause they have been working on consoles. Now that it is done,be nothing but content. I think James got everyone. He wins with most likes.
Its a pay to win for the whales, the hint to that is in game.
Damn theyre taxing the already taxed money, Amazon is banking hard this time around.
Or dangeons have dmg board?;D
You grind for months for that gear then a expansion comes out or battle pass with new gear, you keep grinding... and end up grinding and not having fun.
I don’t think I like the pay to win stuff, but game looks cool. I will play early access but all that pay to win stuff will probably break the game for me. I know a lot of game have a version of pay to win, but this looks to much. Free to play though, can’t complain about it.
Yeah deffo try it out at launch as it should be super fun!
Yes, you can. There is no such thing, as a free lunch. Someone or somebody is paying for it somewhere. And, chances are that it's you without you even realizing it. It's simple; When something is "Free" YOU are the Product.
T1 is easy and possible to get fast as f2p player who play a lot, how ever T2 equipment at current state is pay to progress faster , even if you play a lot this is impossible to catch up spenders at T2 state as free to play without any spending you gonna struggle or gearing up very slow. This is situation on KR servers atm.
And people still think it's easy to gear... I told them we will see in few weeks.
Thanks for the insight mate!
@@VinJow Fun fact... T2 gear is not coming at launch... so at launch you can be fully geared super easy the people that will struggle will be F2P players that will start playing the game a long while after it releases and after the T2 gear is released in our version... but if you're a day 1 player you're gonna progress just fine cause you're gonna be at the power limit and you'll be making lucent by selling your stuff so when the next update comes out you can spend on powering up yourself without swiping...
But of course that's such a complex thought for you geniuses on UA-cam comments... meanwhile you go pay Blizzard 180$ per year only to play and they still charge you 60$ for the expansion while also letting swipers buy everything on day 1 with real money by buying gold... but that's a "fair non P2W game", right? Cause that shit has over 1mil players playing...
@@sportschool3537 people come to a vid like this to figure out if the p2w mechanic is bearable for their taste, but then lots of ppl like you say like "oh but this other game is p2w because bla bla". This clearly does not address the question, so the only possible explanation for saying it is... a coping mechanism of some kind? Is it helping you somehow?
@@edumazieri You want an MMO with zero P2W? FFXIV is the only one I know of and it's not an MMO cause 99% of the time you play solo... also it's not F2P and you have to fork up 180$ a year plus 60$ every time an expansion comes out...
In this game if you spend 240$ in a year and play it a lot you'll be the king of the world... so no, it's not P2W, plus you can earn everything (including tons of lucent) by PLAYING THE GAME
We're just telling you that the morons that say "it's P2W, don't play" either are trolling or they're telling you to not play MMOs whatsoever... plus this game is F2P and for a F2P game that has to make a lot of money (cause sustaining an MMO costs way more than a regular video game) their monetization is very player friendly... you can get to max gear pretty quickly by simply playing the game 15-20 hours a week and you'll be competitive with every whale out there... and btw, whales can ONLY buy from the Auction House... so they have to pay YOU and not get shit from a cash shop like in other Korean MMOs...
So, if you're going to whine about the 10$ battle pass being very useful for progress then yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit...
I'm really angry about the early access pack. It has already divided our group because they didn't understand and bought it
@@Kymss-j9z main thing is that those who don’t buy it, can join the EA server on the 1st
Even though they bought EA, doesn't mean they have to start on EA servers. If your group wants to stay a group they will all start at the same time. If not, maybe find a better group 🤷🏼♂️
Swipey Mc Swiperson is back at it again
@@Hellpriesto 😂 get that wallet out!!!
Swiper no swiping!!
Did it in lost ark don’t really wanna do it again
You can buy all your gear with real money, its as p2W as it gets, simple.
compared to other games this p2w is more like pay to progress slightly faster until you hit a content wall then the f2p players catch up a couple weeks later then new content drops and you are ahead a couple weeks again. its really not that bad.
Until T2 and you can notice it quite drastically - it’s why it’s important everyone tries the game at launch as it’s so super fun 🤩
@@Danneh well i hope everyone gets as hooked on the game as I will because even if the traits and stuff are somewhat p2w i will still play. game looks amazing
pay to progress is just copium rephrasing of pay to win.
its what companies wants you to say.
@@tevlar when did we say that? I agree pay to progress is just p2w. But if you’re the type who goes “PAY TO WIN!? OH HELL NO IM NEVER GONNA PLAY THAT” and you don’t even dig a little deeper to find out what kind of pay to win it is or how bad the pay to win is, then don’t bother responding to this, the conversation can just end here. But if you are open minded enough to learn about the game you should check out Kanons new video about the games pay to win and you might realize it’s really not that bad.
@@ImDevs PAY TO WIN!? OH HELL NO IM NEVER GONNA PLAY THAT
the only problem i have now is bots, hahaha i played hyperboost and the amount of bot running around, getting stuck in places are abysmal, imagine in global. it happened in lost ark, i doubt it wouldnt be a mess in TnL as well.
On P2W topic to me it all comes down to how much 1h grinding is equal to? If 1h of grinding is worth 2$ in the cash shop i am gonna p2w or more likely not play at all because value my time higher then 2$ a hour. In BDO 1h of grinding is around 30$ worth of cash which is high enough that i dont mind grinding. ON PvP topic, no matter how good the PvP is over time some people will leave and they need to get replaced by new players. But if new player have to grind for 1000h so they don't get one shot almost no one would do that and its unreasonable to ask them to. BDO try to fix this by adding gear cap tier content, but overtime Uncapped PvP pretty much die and majority of players are in lowest gear cap tier. They need to do some serious new player catch up mechanics to get them been viable in PvP in reasonable amount of time. Ofc strongest players are always gonna be veterans who played longer.
I think you got one thing wrong. People sitting in lowest gear cap is not because they have no better. It is because for each winner, there is loser. And people perceive loss as stronger than win. So even if someone sits exactly at 50% win rate, they think they are not winning enough. And who do they blame? Not their lack of skill, right?
So in the end, they end up in place where they objectively can't lie to themselves as they greatly exceeded that gear cap. And if they still do not feel it is fair, they quit.
I used to play PvP MMO game which has very unfair, pay to win and random luck based gearing. But that was not problem, or reason why community hated the game. They hated it due to very bad matchmaking (on top of extremely unbalanced classes). Better you were, worse team mates it gave you. (Good match making would put you in match where you meet players of your skill.) And as such, 15 vs 15 match was always decided by which team had 1~2 extra good players. Because in each team top 2~4 players did more work than remaining 10+ together. And gear had nothing to do with it, only decision making.
For me, effort (time) based gearing is rather great approach to player power scaling. Because no matter how much time bad player invest, they'll still be bad.
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As for P2W and time to cash equation. Best case is no equation at all. In-game results should not be translatable to real-world cash. That's most fair. While I get your sentiment, it is double edged sword.
If 1h grind gives you something equal $2 and toping up takes 1,000 hours, you'll see lot of people willing to pay $2,000 gets top gear instantly.
But $30 per hour just changes number of people who are willing to get that top gear instantly, there will still be those willing to pay $30,000. And those willing to pay $2,000 will still do so.
2nd best approach to P2W is that benefits are really minimal. $10 for season pass and next one comes in few months. Reducing achievable P2W benefit rate. In that case you can say: "Took me 10 hours to get same rewards. That means $1 per hour." Your perspective has it as bad, not worth it.
But then you forgot you played entire month and invested not just those 10 hours, but 120 (4 hours a day is quite average time for MMO players). While P2W player used to pave his way with cash played only 30 hours. And you left him in dust.
GAMING IS GONEEEEEE STOP BUY THESE KIND OF MILK MONEY GAME, ARE YOU GUYS DUMP, THEY DONT CARE ABOUT GAMEPLAY THEY DONT CARE ABOUT COPY PASTE ASSETS, THEY JUST WANT YOU TO UPGRADE YOUR GEAR USING REAL CASH. STOP BUY VIDEOGAMES COMPETITIVE IS GONE LONG TIME AGO.
yeah but like i will pay and i will win
9 months and not a full geard character ? hell yeaa finally... i fcking hate games where u get everything instantly. Let the grind begin !
That's his 100th alt... the dude has put insane hours in the game and he could easily be fully geared if he wants... get on with the program
You have clearly not seen a lot of the game it seems lol
Free or not, i really don´t like this system.
See you guys in Aeternum 🎉
See you aeternum! Let's go !
If buying a battle pass is pay to win than I’m a whale 🐋
We love whales 🐋 🐳
Can you make money from the game though? Hehe
Ima swipe swipe swipe 😂
get that lucent
How much?
@@Sorry-Buddy yes
Koreas version of this game lose exp when dieing kinda like in lienage 2 eq1 daoc. But people cry so much cause leveiin is hard and they dont learn to play there char. Down side is u got a bunch of players who are horrible playin there class. If u lose exp when u die believe me u learn to play or ya never hit max level. Koreans just not scared of hard games and dont cry about hard levelin
No you were right. It is a recipe for disaster. In fact, the game will surely die very quickly if what you are describing remains true. Really blows my mind how it's possible to release something in the west with these types of p2w mechanics. Especially when you actually have the foundation for what could have been a fantastic game.
I’m sorry,lemme get this straight, my guy you aren’t event max lvl. Which takes like 5 hours? And you’re making a video on p2w?
@@narkoka my guy im max level on 69 characters
@@Danneh Danneh, quick question... WHY? This game is made to be played with one character... maaaaybe 2... why are you wasting so much time and effort to level up so many?
@@sportschool3537 you literally have 3 character slots. Do yourself a favor and block this guys content like I did lol. Waste of time. Go find an actual creator
@@narkoka Maybe you can buy more slots? I mean in most games you can, not sure why this dude would buy so many though...
Anyway, I've played over 1500hrs of Warframe and I know exactly how the economy works which is the exact same as Throne and Liberty as players in Warframe sell and buy things with premium currency from each other and I've literally bought every prime warframe (equal to best loot in the game in an MMO) without spending a fucking dime...
So no, Throne and Liberty is NOT P2W at all... but it is very very heavily catering to the players that will keep playing the game religiously and I see nothing wrong with that... if you wanna be a super sweaty PvP end game guy, you have to either play the game religiously or spend a fortune while buying everything from other players literally allowing them to progress in the game with your money...
Hmm wondering if we will enjoy the game at all not paying lol
@@Kymss-j9z it’s possible, you just can’t take that “competitive” mindset unless you really put the hours in of course
A very large amount of the top players on Korea are F2P
@@dreadfiend1554 that is good to hear
THE SAD REALITY OF PAY 2 WIN
😂 the sad reality of swooping in 2024
The thumbnail LUL
😂😂 that’s all my lucent
If it launch's like this its going to be dead in 6 months or less look with just the battle pass or the auction house it would have been pay to win enough but with both plus the leveling pass its just a game designed to milk the players like a casino game. this will be a game anyone with a little bit of since we'll play till end game or level cap then quit playing because there is know real way to catch up to a pay to win player unless using massive amounts of bots even then it will be more or less impossible to catch up with the super whales for a free to play player this is a game you would turn and burn and let the wallet Warriors fight it out
Whole system seems to be designed to minimize the impact and effectiveness of gold farms. Those who run bot farms and sell in-game currency in 3rd party websites essentially have a very difficult time in Throne and Liberty due to player-to-player trade restrictions and taxes. Its not non-existent but in other MMOs all the whales pay this $ to gold farms to get ahead.
In throne, whaling is built into the game. People who are going to pay to gain an advantage regardless can dump money into the game to assist with development instead of dumping it into 3rd party bot farms. Is this P2W? Absolutely but MMOs have evolved in the last 30-40 yrs and this is where we're at.
Totally agree with Danneh. There should be PvP gear accessible for new players to participate in PvP events without getting 1-shot.
Set gear is a good idea, they could also introduce additional PvP methods that are more equalized to balance for those that feel underpowered. I like the idea of skill based PvP being available as well as P2W types.
if pay to win is so necessary and it means "evolving" then why Final Fantasy 14 has 0% paytowin/RMT and still is the most/one of the most successful MMORPGs?
P2w not so bad... spits tea...£500
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Let the whales buy lucent. Then they can afford my auction house postings.
Yesss, good mindset!
skill issue
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Everything in this game is RNG, except one thing - p2w :D.
How is it RNG? BDO is RNG... in this game you always progress just have the chance to progress further if you're a bit lucky... but if you think this system is bad you clearly have never played a Korean MMO... this is BY FAR the most player friendly progress system ever made in Korea
lol. No thanks. Play ff14. They respect their player base.
Dude. FF14 has better combat anyway. TnL combat felt like slower FF14. Had me wanting to re sub.
XIV has its fair share of problems too, and I've been playing since beta, but it doesn't scratch a lot of itches. I wouldn't say they respect their player base 100%, but they sure do it better than most. The community used to be better as well, but I'm not going to get into that.
We just really need a good MMO with good PVP and XIV doesn't really have good PVP. Throne & Liberty was heading in the right direction, but then it became P2W so screw that. Last time I had any fun with PVP in an MMO was probably DAoC or EvE, but rather not go back to EvE, and DAoC is just a former shell of what it once was anymore.
@@silvera-00 ff14 slow ass combat for daun syndrom ppl ain't better ,but it's atleast not pay to win
@@MegaHorop TnL combat is literally a slower FF14 combat. If you played FF14 rn and thought it was slower than TnLs, you were doing something wrong.
Yeah. At least it ain't p2w.
@@silvera-00 ffxiv is literally only fast if you play savage or ults on patch/early weeks, 99% of content outside of sav/ult u can literally click 1,1,1,1 and outdps 80% of the community the games skill floor is for literally 4 year olds. And even then the only fast thing is you doing your rota. Cause the mechanics you don't have to think at all even in TOP which is considered "hardest mmo content". You just learn mechanics like a poem/dance, they are static asf
wouldnt even trust this game on my hard drive
Every mmorpg are kinda Pay to win... World of Warcraft you can buy gold , you can buy run to get gear , you buy peoples out to carry you in arena etc... ESO you can pay to get currency that you trade for in game stuff and you can buy full set of armors!!! MOSTLY ALL mmorpg got a pay to win side...Albion, Black desert online, Lost Ark, New World...name it... they mostly are all pay to win or pay to advance fast Nothing new ! Most mobile games or online games got microtransaction and battle pass peoples need to get out of their hole. Go play Offline game like Skyrim or whatever if you wanna play relax and were you dont need to be competitive....
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I was gonna say the same thing essentially any mmo has pay to win
@@joss6663 take away p2w and people will just complain that people have an advantage cause they play more. Lost cause either way.
Guild wars 2
WoW unironically has turned into the most p2w game of them all. That said, gear in WoW is not as important in pvp as in these korean grinders.
Sooo.... TLDR: every aspect or progression system in the game has some form of pay to win work around and only the whales or no life dungeon grinder communities get the loyalty coins, cosmetics and treasures and the opportunity to be competitive in the pvp scene.
The mile stones do create a cap for the swipe but all that will mean is they will have more capital to be ahead on the next mile stone release and they will skyrocket once it is released
Basically this tells me the drop rates are the only thing saving the game, if at any point rates for gear or rng gear rolls get a buff the market is cooked and whoever is part of arbitrage in the market and will have access to top content or the best market patterns will control the flow of income in this game
gonna swipe as hard on global as I did on KR why grind when I can pay
Omg...you are going to attract a shitstorm of players now saying TL is not p2w and u dont need to swipe for nothing xD
Joke's aside. Yes there is p2w, but imo the most broken thing is the evasion mate.
Any primers in the chat??? I need money to swipe!!! 😂😂😂
"Competitive player" in this game bahahahaha
once u paid and get the best gear possible, a new patch show up after 3 month and u have to pay again , but during three month u allowed to be good and kill everybody on the server.
the cycle continue until u uninstall the game
LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE MMO u just pointed out. U make no sense
If they won't listen to community .. the game will literally lose everything within months... for real stop the pay2win FIESTA... and worst of it???? GEAR counts in ARENA.. did you know that too? :) YUP they do... DIABLO IMMORTAL ALL THE WAY #2
Every Korean PvP game is like this is pay2win, like black desert ect
This is literally the least p2w f2p game I've ever seen. You can not buy a fully upgraded item, you can not use the Auction House until level 40, you can just sell loot to make Lucent, the best weapons won't be sold because people want to use them, people have to get the items as loot to sell in the auction house.
@@MatthewGarbett Denial grown ass man
@@MatthewGarbett They're just brain washed by Peon and MMOByte man... no chance of saving them from being sheep... they're just brainless morons that will blindly follow what their favorite UA-camr will say without even trying to understand the system for themselves cause that requires brain activity and that's too much for them... we wouldn't want them overheating now...
Games that locks a part of gameplay, gear or ability that is very important and without it you cannot play PVE/PVP is a Pay to win game.
But if free players can get things with time that money players get with money, then the game is free to play.
There is a reason Gacha games are the top trending and money making game with the highest amount of player count right now.
if this game didnt have p2w it would probably be the 2nd biggest mmo in the west. now it wont even come close.
another cash grab bag of shite then
Bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad ! This is horrible it is clearly pay to win !!!
Every single popular MMO, GW2, FFXIV, WoW, or games like WARFRAME etc. (u get my point) has a p2w method in them. GW2, buy Gems convert to gold buy gear and other useful items. FFXIV, buy packages which skips levels and even gives u GIL which u then buy gear from auction house or other useful items. WoW, buy wow token to get gold which u then buy gear with and other useful items. (me saying useful items are for those players who know what items im talking about). Warframe, u buy Platinum (WHICH IS THE MAIN CURRENCY IN THE GAME PEOPLE) trade them with other players to buy Prime gear, upgrades, pets WHATEVER basically. So i do not understand why ppl complain about this game when its as much P2W as the rest of the MMOs out there. Instead try the game out and see if u like it, simple as.
How is GW2 a P2W game? 😂. You have no idea what you are talking about. There is so many ways to earn gold in this game that you can buy all you want. GW2 is B2P game.
The problem is how much of a difference it makes, in GW2 even if you can buy some legendary weapons in the BL, you can not get more than 5% in stats compared to exotics, which are extremely easy to get for every character, GW2 is not really p2w, its p2c (pay 2 convenience). In most Korean mmos the p2w makes it impossible to compete with someone dumping 900 per month
It’s p2w trash honestly
Lol I hired someone to do 15k of dungeons points, so yeah you can P2W everything if you find a way to
😂 that’s a new angle!!
The thing in the KR server, these "some" koreans are gatekeeping newbies.
How can a new player be welcomed with these kind of community in the game? Yes there was a Hyperboost before but that wasn't enough to increase the number of players or should we say "catch-up" to the pace of the game.
1. Most koreans already have the upperhand in the game. They already geared their way up with their 2nd or 3rd set of equipments + resources like growthstones, etc.
2. Most koreans doesn't want "foreigners" in their party during dungeons which is because they are likely F2P, or low geared (which transferred from Hyperboost Servers).
3. Most koreans ONLY want high dps players, yes, I know right. This really comes with the DPS Check thing to run dungeons as fast as we can BUT the problem is, there is a large number of NEW players coming in the from Hyperboost to the main servers. What do they want to expect?
4. Most koreans only focuses on one to two classes, specifically for Bow/Xbow or Bow/Staff users. Potentially, some other DPS classes like GS/Dagger, Staff/Dagger or other DPS classes tend to deal more damage than the two said weapon sets. I mean, this is a skill-based game as well by knowing the mechanics.
5. Most koreans isn't that friendly in the community. For PVE, they want to run dungeons so fast, faster than a speed of light and of course they know the game well while other players still catching up to their pace. If you get left behind or just die once in a dungeon, especially in a rune dungeon(challenge dimension) you get kicked out right away. They want a one-run dungeon.
6. Most koreans during siege wars are like doing a 1 vs 7-15 guild. The alliance is okay, but having an alliance outside the alliance is kinda s*cks. Imagine your group planning to play in the siege to have fun of course but there was a 70/70 guild + alliance + other alliance coming at you. This was a massacre all along. I see new players standing outside the gates just waiting to it to be finished while kroeans just enjoying bullying new players.
Anyway, these points are only saying that if the korean community doesn't turn into a "friendly community" well, it's their lost. Global TL is coming very soon and i'm expecting that half or more than a half of the community from what they call "foreigners" will be leaving the KR servers. This Throne and Liberty is most likely a P2W game. If you don't purchase lucents then of course you're under-geared and can't catch up to the koreans. It's very late to play in the korean server.
If you are planning to go HARD in TnL, getting the BP is a no-brainer. Leveling Pass is 'mid' but again; if you going hard you already planning to get it, aint'cha?
Also: IF you are getting HUNDREDS of hours of FUN out of a 'F2P' game; throw $20 at it every now and then!
Get you a BP if you really like the rewards.
Buy that cosmetic outfit you really like.
Buy that LAST Trait you need to finish your Off Hand weapon!
Yup, it’s not tooo bad once you get into it, but I wanted to try and show people exactly how it all works and a bit of the impact to help them make a choice ☺️
Exactly... sorry but if I spend 60$ a year in this game I'm still a massive winner over the 180$ I need to pay Blizzard for WoW for a year and they still fucking charge me another 60$ for every expansion cause paying them 180$ per year is apparently too cheap...
The people who fall for these Korean MMO P2W games have to be the saddest people around. How can you have fun on a game that you have to pump your own hard earned money into to exist 😂 MMOs in general need to go man.
stfu and go back to COD LMFAOOOOO
P2W in T&L is Disgusting, game dead on arrival
@@MrBalrogos 😭 it’s there… you can’t miss it!
diablo immortal is a massive p2w game but yet still living
Thanks for the video. I wont be playing this cash grab shit. Its just going to be another New World at this point.
@danneh
how you feel should be this is the worst p2w trash ever and should not be touched by any sane person.
awful mobile like monetization, no wonder the steam numbers are really bad compared to Lost Ark at release, game gonna die faster as in korea if they dont change the p2w garbage.