You don't know how happy im to see people keep making videos on this series, after all this decades in hopes that one day will get to see it come's back, even though it will never be the same one.
You know, id never considered it. But when you put it all together in one video, the idea of the Hylden being so technologically advanced. And so many aspects of their "magic" being pure arcane tech. Makes sense to me that the "blood curse" was in actuality a sort of engineered virus.
I love how you can see a different side a different story throughout time travel and only the soul reaver has the power to cause a paradox to change history so it would be okay to meet your younger self unless they both have the soul reaver.
The Hylden are one of the elements that have fascinated me the most in this saga. And we have to remember that the Hylden Lord is the only antagonist that has fought against the two main characters.
hey guys 👋🏻⚠️important news!!!!!!!⚠️ there is a survey on crystal dynamics site where they got a form with a lot of questions about legacy of kain and maybe even a future project. I know it sounds crazy and I'm not even sure if I should hope so much because the past haha but it seems Legit!!!! I found out through the channel Strictly Fantasy who also got the link to it
@@RainaAudron I filled it out as soon as I heard about it. It was actually right after I beat SR2 for probably the 20th time and I decided to look up the fan sites like Lost Worlds and stuff for LoK cause I hadn't taken the time to look at them yet. First thing that showed up was an article talking about the survey, pretty fresh too. I'm glad it seemed to be a pretty in depth survey. It bodes well. Was a bit tough though, cause it asks you to pick only 5 core choices for certain questions when it would've been so easy to pick a lot more. But I digress. I'm glad they put the survey out. Gives me a bit of hope for the series, but I won't deny I'm also a bit worried cause this is a series that needs to be handled with a lot of care. Alright, gonna go play Defiance now.
Watching well put together videos like this video really makes me wish for a proper sequel and when I say sequel don't mean an unwanted reboot. The voice actors are not getting any younger and we have already lost the voices of vorador, janos and the elder God.
I always thought the Hylden were great antagonists. In some ways their ire towards vampires is understandable but their desire to enslave the other lesser races also means they’re a threat to Kain’s power and must be stopped
I think Kain would be worse to the lesser races. I mean look at what he ended up doing to Raziel's little wings. The Hylden were the answer. Why be a slave to another's hunger when you can be a slave to another's need for power? Eh? No?
@@ivanidlehand9651 Perhaps, but Kain might be the saviour of all living beings since he might eliminate the Elder God - the parasite that literally enslaves and feeds all the souls in existence!
Very well done! I know it's never been mentioned in the games, but I really like the similarities between the Hylden and the Ancient Vampires, especially in the Hylden's wings/crests. To me, this suggests that both of them are descended from the same ancient race, but it was so long ago that no one even remembers it anymore. Maybe the Elder God was the one who made the Vampires so different, giving them their more noble look. I know this is all headcanon, but it would have been really cool if the games had explored that aspect of the war. It would have reinforced the idea of the Elder God being the ultimate evil, driving a once benevolent race into an internal conflict which ultimately lead to the destruction of Nosgoth. But which also lead to the creation of humanity! So, you win some, you lose some, I guess :D
When I think of it, what if the war between Vampires and Hylden started because of Elder God was afraid of the Hylden? Vampires were more spiritual, so they embraced the Wheel of Fate without question, when Elder spoke to them. They present it to the Hylden, who are more rational, so they tried more logical aproach and due to their technology, they find about Elder God, a parasitic organism attached to the Wheel. They try to present this evidence to the Vampires in good will, but Vampires refuse it as heresy and then it's believable that Elder itself, knowing that Hylden can detect him and (maybe) in time could strike against him, moved Vampires to the war with Hylden. And everything else is history.
Seeing as how the elder sees the hylden as not much of a concern over making sure kain is dead my guess is this theory is probable. Why would he care if the hylden can sense him if they remain banished while he has access to all the vampie souls to feed on but then the human souls. He has no need for souls unbound from the wheell
Add to the fact that the hylden would have been corrupted from their time in the demon world they most likely wouldnt bother with the elder god at this point either because those that knew of it are either so changed or dead that the elder god isnt a factor in their plans/lives
Might be a crap-shoot at this point, but if Embracer Group is really serious about returning to the Legacy of Kain series, I desperately want them to pick Dark Prophecy back up and realize these Hylden concepts. We deserve as much.
Watching these well put together videos really makes me want to play these games again. They are such atmospheric games with great lore. You should do a video on the vampire race, especially in how vampires are made as it was never fully explained. I am certain that there was the traditional method that Vorador and Janos used which I would guess was through the blood, I would guess it involved draining the human of its human blood and then replacing with vampire blood and then there was Kain's method that was kind of explained in the original soul reaver manual.
I like to think the reason why the seer was able to cross over to material realm and stay was because of her vampiric side resisted the binding and therefore allowed her to escape the demon realm for good, possibly with the aid of Vorador.
I like that Defiance used that Hylden possession and transformation thing!!!! It really nicely connects wiht Dark Entity at the end of Blood Omen 1 transforming lfieless body of Mortanius :) that sort of inteconnections and continuity is a nice touch :). Dark Entity form at the end and those Defiance deformed possessed (the Revenants are also interesting in that the revenants that seem to possess the actual old Hylden corpses are the strongest :) obviously hinting at Hylden souls being the most comfortable with the Hylden former bodies).
@@RainaAudron Oh come on! Before we had Lara Croft series and now we have Star wars? When they will devote some time to Legacy of Kain! But anyway it is better to wait and not to rush the next LOK game, and we need her guidance, don't we?
Kain: tell me, how do you think this encounter ends? Raiden: i shall banish you to the never realm in the name of the elder gods Kain: do not be so sure "gaurdian of earth realm!"
You know, over the years I wondered about the Seer seeing as to how she was a hybrid. Here’s my theory: Vorador stated that she was older than him, so she was around during the times before the banishment. I feel the favor she owed Vorador was critical, as was her life when she wanted nothing to do with her race’s plans to wipe out all other life in the world. I feel that she came to Vorador to seek shelter. We see her living outside Meridian like a Hermit undetected in all the years the Sarafan Lord has been there. Why? Because he couldn’t sense her presence due to her blood being tainted… by Vorador It could be that sometime after the Hylden General came through, she managed to break free herself. She sought out Vorador for he was the only Vampire who would know of her species. Vorador wasn’t always the ruthless, decadent, hedonistic Vampire we have come to know. There was a time he had compassion. Although it was overly exaggerated in Blood Omen 2, Vorador may have turned her when she came to him after she was able to escape the demon dimension. By the mixing of the bloods, she would have gone undetected by other Hylden over the coming years. Even Kain was shocked by her appearance (and possibly scent) when he asked “what manner of creature are you? You’re like no vampire I’ve ever seen.” With this in mind, she could have easily went undetected by the Sarafan Lord during his reign. Had he of known of her treachery, her punishment would have been unspeakable! After all, look how he tortured Janos. But, in 400 years of him being in the material realm, the Seer was merely at his doorstep and was never captured. The night Kain came to her, The Sarafan Lord showed up and burned her house to the ground. He didn’t know she was in there, he sensed Kain was, and whatever other “vampire” was in there, but her blood was tainted. Regardless who was in that shack, it was going to burn. She chose to stay behind, and accepted her fate because she knew what would come of her if she stepped out. She had lived her life long enough, and to be able to aid the scion of balance was life fulfilling enough for her. On that night she died, and we the audience could only watch the solemness of her sacrifice, and the life she chose to live. A life in solitude, in hopes for a better future for Nosgoth. And we are left with the rocking chair where she once sat thinking of that bitter taste of that terrible illusion.
So when she said her fate lay along a different path than Kain's, what she really meant was My fate is only this cutscene, right here right now, and there is no path involved because I'm not taking another step. (I doubt she died there, unless her fate was to reincarnate as something specific to further the plot. Otherwise, teleportation escape. Which she just managed easily for Kain. The empty rocking chair moving on seemed to say she was moving on too, maybe disappearing again, but only for a little while since in a minute there would be no hylden left to hide from. Assuming her vampire side lets her survive in Nosgoth after BloodOmen2. If it doesn't, that's maybe a good reason for her to die and reincarnate....but then she wastes the cool hybrid body, so I'm not in favor of that.) Great potential there with that character. Tough to write her alternate fate path, though! I think she used to advise Hylden Lord when his plan was still on track, and then she quit and that explains why he's now blind to things like Kain's comeback and the hyldens' defeat. It's impossible to find a time when Vorador could have turned her (he was vamped After the curse, which means after the banishment, which means she wouldn't have been there to vampify). Unless all these events happened gradually and there was a longer overlap period----only then would cursed vamps have the opportunity to interact with (bite) hylden on the nosgoth side of the barrier. Or Has the Seer been here all along, even before the corrupting of the pillars let the BO2 hylden jailbreak happen. It's all fuzzy. On purpose. So the next game could do whatever they wanted to.
@@larrymcmacarroon9529 you gotta great point there! The way I was seeing it, she could have broke free sometime after Kain’s defeat. Amy Henig and others who helped put this series together LOVES the number 500! I mean, despite Blood Omen 2 taking place 400 years after Kain refused the sacrifice, everything else seems to revolve around 500yrs. All of us here know how much can happen in just 1 year alone, so there is definitely plenty that could have happened within even a decade after Kain’s defeat. Her being the former advisor to the Sarafan Lord sounds great as well! After all, the Sarafan Lord was extremely negligent in the end, not having foreseen Kain being able to recover so quickly and thwart all of his long arduous work within such a short amount of time. That was humiliating! I’d like to talk about that, too. I may be straying away from what the developers left us with but was that really the Hylden Lord we see in BO2? The self proclaimed Sarafan Lord? I’m starting to ask this because he appears to look like all the others we encounter in the game, albeit the only distinction is the glowing aurora around his head and eyes appearing to look like a Hylden possessed by another. Going back and revisiting the series, the developers left yet another possibility that we haven’t truly seen the real Hylden Lord. This could also help explain why the Sarafan Lord was so negligent. The leader wearing that armor could have been the right hand to the Hylden Lord. The Hylden Lord could have been coming and going in and out of his conscious. While the Hylden Lord was away trying to make way for his army, this right hand servant could have been making grave errors that caused their catastrophic loss to Kain. I feel that would make for a better explanation than what we have been left with; that that was the Hylden Lord, Sarafan Lord, and General all in one 😅 Blood Omen 2 really hurt the timeline. But, I will defend the steam punk environment because the Hylden were far ahead in technology than the Vampires wanted to conform to, and it heavily reflects how far along we came with our industrial revolution during the 19th century! Kain passed out for 200yrs, the world is definitely going to change! 😂
Blood Omen 2 is fine. Young Kain was whiny, a disappointing portrayal maybe, so players joined in with the whining. Most complaints amount to "our god is missing from this game" (Hennig). But the content was fine, it only fumbled in the execution, lacking those little explanation blurbs that could have smoothed things over with the other games. That's a good take on hylden lord (him being possessed by the real boss, which is why he had more green possession glow than a body possessed by regular hylden. Could be. My way of making the failed invasion "okay" is by saying it succeeded in the way that mattered most, and then the hylden "defeat" covered this up so it won't be discovered until Kain goes to hell ages later to discover the truth. False histories are a theme, so it's possible we haven't seen the true battle of champions yet, and maybe the real Hashakgik will emerge from slumber and be pissed off at the hylden for impersonating him, and at Elder God for "failing to do the one job i gave you!" Mmmm, multiple elder gods. That would have been swell.
The way I see it: the Hyldan found a way to access the demon realm to possibly become immortal. The cost could be sterility and an aftont to the elder God. The vampires are rattled up into a fuss and attack the heretics. In an ironic twist, the vampires banish the hyldan to the dimension the were researching. In return, the Hyldan blasted the vampires with an unfinished product of their research. The vampire curse. The immortality the vampires feared and sterility. Dooming them. This makes sense to me. The hyldan all having been researching the demon realm and all the fall out surrounding the war
That's the thing, neither were right and wrong, even though Ancients started the war, Hylden built a weapon of mass destruction. Hylden, didn't revive Raziel. EG plugged himself into him but he would have risen up anyway.
@charleshastings7260 Sorry, but that's simply wrong. The Mass is not the same thing as EG. We have an original developer confirm that EG resurrected him but Raziel would have risen anyway. These are facts, not speculation.
Hi RainaAudron! Your Legacy of Kain lore is amazing! You must join the developers, that bought the rights (Embracer Group). We need an important person that completely knows and understands the complicated plot so that there are not complications and gaps (like Janos in Blood Omen 2). You must join them, or at least contact them to study your videos!!!
I really have to wonder what the story would have been like in SR2 and Defiance had BO2 not made Amy do damage control. I feel like the Hylden's role in the plot might have instead been filled by the Elder God in some way, or perhaps there was a demon race in mind at first.
One odd omission in your timeline is that you do not mention that the ability of the Hylden to reach out of the demon realm via possession is only possible due to the Pillars having human guardians. As the Pillars were made for the Ancients having humans instead weakened the binding such that the Hylden could regain a small foothold. This is why the Ancients would turn the human guardians into vampires but Mortanius and Moebius' rebellion ended this tradition thereby putting the Pillars wholly under human control. So the rise of the possession cult can only have happened during Mortanius' lifetime as guardian but I don't know of any sources that tell us just how long he and Moebius have lived. The timeline can more clearly be defined as - - the time of the Ancients and Hylden - the time of Vampires controlling the Pillars (no Hylden influence) - the time of Humans controlling the Pillars (and the Hylden able to finally reach out of their binding) - the start of Blood Omen leading to the rise of Kain's empire (and in the latest timeline the brief return of the Hylden in between these two events).
Эй парень я давно бью голову об стену пытаясь найти информацию об этой таинственной загадочной Провидица ну гибрид вампира и хильдена будь любезен пожалуйста сделай ролик о Ней буду весьма признателен и благодарен спасибо
I hever liked how the Hylden the bad guy of the series and the ancient vampires being portrayed as the good guys All of the many characters of varying species are merely convenient tools gwtting involved in a war that is far bigger than them
I had an optimistic thought after watching the Defiance blooper reel again today. I realized that the perfect replacement for Tony Jay in a Soul Reaver Remake might just be Turel's voice actor from Defiance, they have a similar cadence only Turel's voice actor sounds younger, but similar to Tony when he's using his normal speaking voice. Perhaps he could do it.
Did you forget that it was the vampires who started the war, something that the vampires conveniently omit from their own history, much like any "winning" side in a war. The victors of any war write off their opponent as evil so they can put themselves up on a pedestal. Notice the similarities to LoTR, the west is all about nature and Mordor/Orthanc are very much technological.
Even in Lotr it's not so simple but there was undeniably much villainy in the Hylden too. They certainly also sought domination and power. The EG manipulation of Ancients was what drove them to start the war on the religious ground...which makes Elder God responsible for that conflict. The Ancients seemed like a peaceful and powerful civilization, quite enlightened and noble in their own right, Janos as an example of his race seems very compassionate and reasonable, even treating humans with understanding though both of the ancient races were so much 'superior' and so easily could have looked on humans as 'worse' (and Hylden truly did, the imagery of them studying humans like some curious animal on the murals etc. Hylden ultimately see humans as slaves to their will). When it comes to Lotr the 'good side' nature orientation vs evil technological is only a bit of simplification....the evil side is more likely to push into technological advancement due to the power and influence it brings in a way allowing for large scale reshaping of the world to the will of one who...naturally wants all the power. As Tolkien put it: "The story is cast in terms of a good side, and a bad side, beauty against ruthless ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom with consent against compulsion that has long lost any object save mere power, and so on; but both sides in some degree, conservative or destructive, want a measure of control. But if you have, as it were taken 'a vow of poverty', renounced control, and take your delight in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing, and to some extent knowing, then the question of the rights and wrongs of power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of power quite valueless." .... "I do not intend to involve myself in any debate whether 'magic' in any sense is real or really possible in the world. But I suppose that, for the purposes of the tale, some would say that there is a latent distinction such as once was called the distinction between magia and goeteia.1 Galadriel speaks of the 'deceits of the Enemy'. Well enough, but magia could be, was, held good (per se), and goeteia bad. Neither is, in this tale, good or bad (per se), but only by motive or purpose or use. Both sides use both, but with different motives. The supremely bad motive is (for this tale, since it is specially about it) domination of other 'free' wills. The Enemy's operations are by no means all goetic deceits, but 'magic' that produces real effects in the physical world. But his magia he uses to bulldoze both people and things, and his goeteia to terrify and subjugate. Their magia the Elves and Gandalf use (sparingly): a magia, producing real results (like fire in a wet faggot) for specific beneficent purposes. Their goetic effects are entirely artistic and not intended to deceive: they never deceive Elves (but may deceive or bewilder unaware Men) since the difference is to them as clear as the difference to us between fiction, painting, and sculpture, and 'life'. Both sides live mainly by 'ordinary' means. The Enemy, or those who have become like him, go in for 'machinery' - with destructive and evil effects - because 'magicians', who have become chiefly concerned to use magia for their own power, would do so (do do so). The basic motive for magia - quite apart from any philosophic consideration of how it would work - is immediacy: speed, reduction of labour, and reduction also to a minimum (or vanishing point) of the gap between the idea or desire and the result or effect. But the magia may not be easy to come by, and at any rate if you have command of abundant slave-labour or machinery (often only the same thing concealed), it may be as quick or quick enough to push mountains over, wreck forests, or build pyramids by such means. Of course another factor then comes in, a moral or pathological one: the tyrants lose sight of objects, become cruel, and like smashing, hurting, and defiling as such. It would no doubt be possible to defend poor Lotho's introduction of more efficient mills; but not of Sharkey and Sandyman's use of them." J.R.R.Tolkien letters The side of evil in Lotr, Mordor or rather the singular figure behind it, the one tyrant god-king who wants to rule the world and shape it according to HIS will (so Dark Lord Sauron) is indeed an evil that needs to be fought....obviously the difference between the war with him and Ancient war with Hylden in Nosgoth is that in Nosgoth there was that a deceptive tyrant figure (Elder God) manipulated the 'free folk' to fight........much in a way that Sauron deceived the Numenoreans (further corrupting them to evil) so they would wage war upon the gods themselves and try to invade Aman the Blessed Realm :). The spirituality of the Ancients, who valued life itself was taken advantage of and turned to their undoing......in a way this also resembles how the Elves were deceived by Sauron into forging the Rings of Power! Tolkien even called that the 'second fall' of the Elves! In Tolkien's world one also may note that while Elves are indeed more spiritual, nature, peace loving beings, they (or groups of them) too were apt to veer into scientific and technological the Noldor, High Elves were the ones who were always most interested in magic and machines as Tolkien put it! "But at Eregion great work began - and the Elves came their nearest to falling to 'magic' and machinery. With the aid of Sauron's lore they made Rings of Power ('power' is an ominous and sinister word in all these tales, except as applied to the gods)...." ... "Noldor] meant 'the Wise', that is those who have great knowledge and understanding. The Noldor indeed early showed the greatest talents of all the Elves both for intellectual pursuits and technical skills." History of Middle-earth XI The War of the Jewels "Part 4. Quendi and Eldar" Part C: The Clan-names "Noldor" ... "The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men. That is: they have a devoted love of the physical world, and a desire to observe and understand it for its own sake and as ‘other’ - sc. as a reality derived from God in the same degree as themselves - not as a material for use or as a power-platform." In a way both Ancients and Hylden are on almost extreme ends, Ancients though still must have some quite engineering knowledge and technical skills (they must have used some sort of devices and machines, though they seem to be more...magically inclined) but Hylden were the extreme scientists scientists who have purely material science and technology at heart....the Elves are a bit of both :) also depending on specific group. The general similarities between Lotr and Legacy of Kain may be there :). "…Anyway all this stuff is mainly concerned with Fall, Mortality, and the Machine. With Fall inevitably, and that motive occurs in several modes. With Mortality, especially as it affects art and the creative (or as I should say, sub-creative) desire which seems to have no biological function, and to be apart from the satisfactions of plain ordinary biological life, with which, in our world, it is indeed usually at strife. This desire is at once wedded to a passionate love of the real primary world, and hence filled with the sense of mortality, and yet unsatisfied by it. It has various opportunities of ‘Fall’. It may become possessive, clinging to the things made as ‘its own’, the sub-creator wishes to be the Lord and God of his private creation. He will rebel against the laws of the Creator - especially against mortality. Both of these (alone or together) will lead to the desire for Power, for making the will more quickly effective, - and so to the Machine (or Magic). By the last I intend all use of external plans or devices (apparatus) instead of development of the inherent inner powers or talents - or even the use of these talents with the corrupted motive of dominating: bulldozing the real world, or coercing other wills. The Machine is our more obvious modern form though more closely related to Magic than is usually recognised." And Nosgoth sees this fall in practice :), mortality, the life and rebirth, and immortality of the vampires etc. power and domination.
Kind of dumb, but have you done a video on the combat in Soul Reaver 2? I had no idea there were crouched attacks and stuff till I messed with it today. I feel like it's common knowledge but I didn't really know there was more to the combat than in Soul Reaver 1 lol even if just a little bit.
Can someone correct me if I am wrong but Kain is a new type of vampire right? All the other human vampires before Kain was basically coming from the anicent vampire race. Right?
It was stated by one of the designers that the Scion of Balance has some of the powers of all the guardians. So Kain most likely created vampires the same way Mortanius created him.
@@ericstaples7220 kain was reanimated through the heart of darkness. In order for him to bring his favoured sons back to life. He used parts of his own soul
@@ysbryd9779 Yep that was Mortanius's redemption angle because they didn't know that the Pillars were keeping the Hylden away, until the Sarafan/Hylden Lord, the Head Honcho of the Hylden took advantage of this by possessing Mortanius to kill Ariel and establishing the Hash ak' Gik' cult in Avernus due to Azimuth's nefarious shenanigans.
Honestly I would love to see Blood Omen remastered in a isometric style. Crate Entertainment (Grim Dawn developers) immediately come to mind. I feel that they could do a great job if given the opportunity and if the IP wasn’t lost in a holding group. Whose got some money I think Embracer Group might be willing to sell off after all they’re not making any money off of the franchise. 😁
Funny you mention that.. saw user Ceilort making BO into an isometric style yesterday. Embracer only recently purchased the IP, they wouldn't have done so unless they have plans for it.
Thanks guys. It was sexual! Hylden music in the background is great for presentations. Tidbits! .....the Machine was draining Janos to teach the Mass to target vampires. It took the blood of creatures, but must have been filtering out the vampiric essence from that blood to know who to hurt. Steal enough of that essence from Janos and what's left? The curse from hell that's tied to Janos' body. So he looked more like a hellion as his vampiric reserves drained away and the curse became almost all of what remained? Or something similarly worded. Like more exposure to hell tech distorted his body more demonic over time. Whatever. But then his Ancient angelic form snapped back into place right away after the Mass died! Like a soul rubber band. So, ? Based on those physics, there's hope for a quick cure for....all sorts of things. You need a bigger Machine than the pillars working on the cure for vampirism, though, it looks like, since the vampires never managed to reverse the curse with the tools they had. The hylden may have the missing toolkit for that? And/Or all the balance guardian spirits combined and purified. I'll stop now.
I always thought the Mass was the Elder God. Kain kills it, sending it to the spirit world, outside of time, where it continues to feed on vampires, and sets up a domino chain of temporal events to ensure its own existence...
greatings from germany to, i like your vids very much and it seams to provide some Pictures and ather stuff that im unabel to see in the german version of the Games, like in a ather vid 2 vampires in the swamps, watching Raziel discover the brutaly hunt in this Biom? ceep your work up :)
I have a direct quote: "we had set up a seer in Nosgoth who was considered an abomination: a Hylden Vampyre hybrid from the old days. She wasn't banished to the Demon Realm, but was afflicted by the curse of the Hylden." Daniel Cabuco
The way I view it (if we're assuming both the Vampyres and Hylden were innocent (also using "Vampyre" to refer to the ancients rather than modern vampires)), both of them helped to develop mankind. The Vampyres provided them spiritual enlightenment and scorcery while the Hylden developed them at a technological level. However, "if God is for us, who could be against us"? Once the Elder God commanded the Vampyres to declare war on the Hylden, the humans sided with the Vampyres since "God was on their side", hence the hatred for both Vampyres and humans. Besides, all we know from the Hylden are the demonisation by the Vampyres, which a thousand years of intergenerational war would do, as well as the few scraps of art and interations with a few individuals, which we're already biased against. Also, for why the Seer escaped banishment, I think it's because she is a hybrid of Hylden and Vampyre that prevented the banishment from affecting her. Both races as a whole couldn't conceive of the thought that any individual members of the respective races could see past the hatred that ran so deep
There isn't really one. Their goals regarding Raziel aligned to give the impression of a grand conspiracy, but it doesn't really exist. Both hate the vampire but aside from that the Hylden and EG don't really get along.
The Mass that the Hylden were using... I'm really beginning to think that it is actually the Elder God in physical form, with Kain's actions sending it to the spirit realm, where it becomes the beast we know today. Time is but a loop. Kain and Raziel are loose stitches The Reaver is the needle.
slowly friend, we see that in defiance when the leder god gets crumbled by the architecture and ascends down. But youre on a path i also went for. BUt for what you describe the times doesnt match up, cause of that 200 years after bo1 thing, we saw the elder god 200 years before, concious. (maybe the hylden captured him?🤔) now i really struggle xD Concerning the lore in BO2 the archictecure in merdian is old, and was only dug up, together with the mass, so i bet, the first time they did that 2000 years ago whatnot, they created something bigger there. So its actually the birth of the elder god (but offscreen, the first time they used the mass), so the mass as we saw it would be the elder god 2 but kain kills it. that, or the elder god is a veeeeeeeery old vampire. I struggle between those two.
@@Dirty_Davos The elder god we meet in Soul Reaver 1 exists outside of time - we meet him at the furthest point in the timeline, yet he's always aware of "current" events in the story without using a chronoplast to move through time, and seems aware of reaver paradoxes without being present. Kain killing him in BO2 sends him to the spirit world, where time does not flow, so he can exist outside of time in some fashion. He's manipulating time travellers to ensure his own existence.
I dunno why there's people making videos about this absolute clusterfuck of incoherent lore full of retcons. The writers never bothered so why should anyone else? Soul Reaver 2 and on should be removed from the lore. I could make up a better ending than the stupid Hylden garbage. Also it was William the Just who killed the balance guardian, unless someone else had giant spikes on their shoulder armour that I'm forgetting from that game.
Mortanius had horns/spikes on his armor. You’re right, why bother? It’s a shame how the writers couldn’t keep up with their own story, and especially a shame how Crystal Dynamics and Silcon Knights couldn’t settle their discrepancies disregarding such a rich story they started
You described 99% of modern video games and movies. So guess we should pnly make videos on a handful of games from the 80s since those will be the only ones without retcons and oddities with the lore.
Then just... Don't watch videos about it? And go and fecking WRITE that better ending. The LOK fanfics sections at AO3 and FFNet are absolutely _anemic_ and if you're so sure you can do better, DO IT.
Kamikaze Because Legacy of Kain has the best lore (that has to do with Vampires) If you do not like Leagacy of Kain then watch those stupid modern western garbage like Twilight etc
Poor Hylden becoming hollows puppets of Hatred and vengeance by the manipulations of the parasitic elder god. Interesting Lore and interpretation of Nosgoth Demons too, i wonder a Arcane Tomé of the Elder God to come? 🦑🐙🕸️🪬🛞
I hope people don't get it twisted thinking the Hylden were the good guys. Let me make it simple, the Ancient Vampires were the religious zealots and the Hylden were the mad scientists. Both treated humans like crap. It's like the Nazis vs the Taliban. Both are terrible....but where's the 🍿 I'm tryna watch!! 🐸🧋
The hylden became monsters but them trying to wipe out the vamps is still wrong 2 wrongs dont make a right yea they got banished but they still lived between their influence and the elder god and his pawn mobius the vamps became an endangered species
as soon as i clicked the video i could hear Kain's voice in my head: "MY GOD! THE HYLDEN! WE'VE WALKED RIGHT INTO THEIR TRAP!"
Raziel... Janos must stay dead.
Love the profile pic
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You don't know how happy im to see people keep making videos on this series, after all this decades in hopes that one day will get to see it come's back, even though it will never be the same one.
Me too thank you sir
You know, id never considered it. But when you put it all together in one video, the idea of the Hylden being so technologically advanced.
And so many aspects of their "magic" being pure arcane tech.
Makes sense to me that the "blood curse" was in actuality a sort of engineered virus.
Perhaps... And technically Moebius was right in soul reaver 2 when said that Kain(with Nupraptor's corruption) is a "cancer" to Nosgoth!
Another spectacular video many thanks forthis outstanding video!😎👍
Baziel & Raina are truly 2 gems in the community
Some pictures of the Hylden and Vampires remind me of the works by H.R. Giger.
I love how you can see a different side a different story throughout time travel and only the soul reaver has the power to cause a paradox to change history so it would be okay to meet your younger self unless they both have the soul reaver.
Such an old game series and the content is still being made today.
Just goes to show what kind of gem this was.
Truly a work of art
Thanks for the video, for the series deep reviews and analysis 🤟
The Hylden are one of the elements that have fascinated me the most in this saga. And we have to remember that the Hylden Lord is the only antagonist that has fought against the two main characters.
Underrated channel!
It's a pretty messed up world when your retreat has eye sockets.
i love BO2, the Hylden and their technology showcased in that game was always fascinating to me, would love to see more of them and it.
Crystal dinamics made a survey about the game, there's hope my friends go go go!!!
what a massive video in length and quality. awesome cut content addition. thanks for all the work put in.
Great work on the video raina.
I love this Chanel ❤️
Vampires: we banish you!
Hylden: Before you do, don't Forget Hyldeez
Vampires: whats Hyldeez?
Hylden: *HYLDEEZ NU-*
Yet another great lore video!! Great work to the both of you! Love to watch these while smoking joints 🙃
What could be more righteous than to take our revenge and your freedom from the same source? Tortured eons of suffering are too good for you, Vampire.
It’s always great to see when these videos pop up.
It's long too
i love seeing concept art from BO2 and the further exploration of the Hylden, they look so cool.
hey guys 👋🏻⚠️important news!!!!!!!⚠️ there is a survey on crystal dynamics site where they got a form with a lot of questions about legacy of kain and maybe even a future project. I know it sounds crazy and I'm not even sure if I should hope so much because the past haha but it seems Legit!!!! I found out through the channel Strictly Fantasy who also got the link to it
Don't worry, we already shared it around👍
@@RainaAudron oh sry then 😅😂well you got my sub now tho 😉
@@RainaAudron I filled it out as soon as I heard about it. It was actually right after I beat SR2 for probably the 20th time and I decided to look up the fan sites like Lost Worlds and stuff for LoK cause I hadn't taken the time to look at them yet. First thing that showed up was an article talking about the survey, pretty fresh too. I'm glad it seemed to be a pretty in depth survey. It bodes well. Was a bit tough though, cause it asks you to pick only 5 core choices for certain questions when it would've been so easy to pick a lot more. But I digress. I'm glad they put the survey out. Gives me a bit of hope for the series, but I won't deny I'm also a bit worried cause this is a series that needs to be handled with a lot of care. Alright, gonna go play Defiance now.
Anyone else notice how the hylden resemble all the devolved vampires and devolved vampire lords
Absolutely amazing work man. I'm so glad you exist and your efforts are insane and greatly appreciated. Thank you!! ♥️
Thanks for explaining everything. Really enjoyed the video.
Your videos are a godsend for filling in gaps of knowledge.
This was incredible ! So we’ll crafted and interesting….
A hundred thanks
Watching well put together videos like this video really makes me wish for a proper sequel and when I say sequel don't mean an unwanted reboot. The voice actors are not getting any younger and we have already lost the voices of vorador, janos and the elder God.
I always thought the Hylden were great antagonists. In some ways their ire towards vampires is understandable but their desire to enslave the other lesser races also means they’re a threat to Kain’s power and must be stopped
I think Kain would be worse to the lesser races. I mean look at what he ended up doing to Raziel's little wings.
The Hylden were the answer. Why be a slave to another's hunger when you can be a slave to another's need for power? Eh? No?
@@ivanidlehand9651 Found the Hylden guys
@@ivanidlehand9651 Perhaps, but Kain might be the saviour of all living beings since he might eliminate the Elder God - the parasite that literally enslaves and feeds all the souls in existence!
The lore of this series is *incredible*
Thank you for another great vid!
Very well done! I know it's never been mentioned in the games, but I really like the similarities between the Hylden and the Ancient Vampires, especially in the Hylden's wings/crests.
To me, this suggests that both of them are descended from the same ancient race, but it was so long ago that no one even remembers it anymore. Maybe the Elder God was the one who made the Vampires so different, giving them their more noble look.
I know this is all headcanon, but it would have been really cool if the games had explored that aspect of the war.
It would have reinforced the idea of the Elder God being the ultimate evil, driving a once benevolent race into an internal conflict which ultimately lead to the destruction of Nosgoth. But which also lead to the creation of humanity! So, you win some, you lose some, I guess :D
Alas, poor Nupraptor, I knew him well.
Well, not really 🤷
By far the best explanation I've ever heard. Well done
When I think of it, what if the war between Vampires and Hylden started because of Elder God was afraid of the Hylden? Vampires were more spiritual, so they embraced the Wheel of Fate without question, when Elder spoke to them. They present it to the Hylden, who are more rational, so they tried more logical aproach and due to their technology, they find about Elder God, a parasitic organism attached to the Wheel. They try to present this evidence to the Vampires in good will, but Vampires refuse it as heresy and then it's believable that Elder itself, knowing that Hylden can detect him and (maybe) in time could strike against him, moved Vampires to the war with Hylden. And everything else is history.
Seeing as how the elder sees the hylden as not much of a concern over making sure kain is dead my guess is this theory is probable. Why would he care if the hylden can sense him if they remain banished while he has access to all the vampie souls to feed on but then the human souls. He has no need for souls unbound from the wheell
Add to the fact that the hylden would have been corrupted from their time in the demon world they most likely wouldnt bother with the elder god at this point either because those that knew of it are either so changed or dead that the elder god isnt a factor in their plans/lives
The Patriots... We walked into their trap.
The Soul Reaver a weapon to surpass Metal Gear
The Hylden infected the vampires with Nano machine son
Might be a crap-shoot at this point, but if Embracer Group is really serious about returning to the Legacy of Kain series, I desperately want them to pick Dark Prophecy back up and realize these Hylden concepts. We deserve as much.
Watching these well put together videos really makes me want to play these games again. They are such atmospheric games with great lore. You should do a video on the vampire race, especially in how vampires are made as it was never fully explained. I am certain that there was the traditional method that Vorador and Janos used which I would guess was through the blood, I would guess it involved draining the human of its human blood and then replacing with vampire blood and then there was Kain's method that was kind of explained in the original soul reaver manual.
kain was created with the heart of darkness
The Seer is one of my favourite characters.
Man, I subscribed for the remaster but this 1000% gold content.
Greetings from Germany!
I love this playlist for bedtime!
Now I am not only upset Dark Prophercy was cancelled but I also mourn the cancellation of Sirens and Chakan 2...
I like to think the reason why the seer was able to cross over to material realm and stay was because of her vampiric side resisted the binding and therefore allowed her to escape the demon realm for good, possibly with the aid of Vorador.
I like that Defiance used that Hylden possession and transformation thing!!!! It really nicely connects wiht Dark Entity at the end of Blood Omen 1 transforming lfieless body of Mortanius :) that sort of inteconnections and continuity is a nice touch :). Dark Entity form at the end and those Defiance deformed possessed (the Revenants are also interesting in that the revenants that seem to possess the actual old Hylden corpses are the strongest :) obviously hinting at Hylden souls being the most comfortable with the Hylden former bodies).
And we also need to persuade Amy Hennig (the director-writer) to continue working for the series!
As far as I know she quit. Correct me if I am wrong!
She is working at Skydance at the moment.
@@RainaAudron Oh come on! Before we had Lara Croft series and now we have Star wars? When they will devote some time to Legacy of Kain!
But anyway it is better to wait and not to rush the next LOK game, and we need her guidance, don't we?
Kain: tell me, how do you think this encounter ends?
Raiden: i shall banish you to the never realm in the name of the elder gods
Kain: do not be so sure "gaurdian of earth realm!"
i like the Seer, she is a cool looking character and would have loved to see more of her, even though i didnt really like her voice acting.
Impeccable. Great video.
You know, over the years I wondered about the Seer seeing as to how she was a hybrid. Here’s my theory:
Vorador stated that she was older than him, so she was around during the times before the banishment. I feel the favor she owed Vorador was critical, as was her life when she wanted nothing to do with her race’s plans to wipe out all other life in the world.
I feel that she came to Vorador to seek shelter. We see her living outside Meridian like a Hermit undetected in all the years the Sarafan Lord has been there. Why? Because he couldn’t sense her presence due to her blood being tainted… by Vorador
It could be that sometime after the Hylden General came through, she managed to break free herself. She sought out Vorador for he was the only Vampire who would know of her species. Vorador wasn’t always the ruthless, decadent, hedonistic Vampire we have come to know. There was a time he had compassion. Although it was overly exaggerated in Blood Omen 2, Vorador may have turned her when she came to him after she was able to escape the demon dimension.
By the mixing of the bloods, she would have gone undetected by other Hylden over the coming years. Even Kain was shocked by her appearance (and possibly scent) when he asked “what manner of creature are you? You’re like no vampire I’ve ever seen.” With this in mind, she could have easily went undetected by the Sarafan Lord during his reign. Had he of known of her treachery, her punishment would have been unspeakable! After all, look how he tortured Janos. But, in 400 years of him being in the material realm, the Seer was merely at his doorstep and was never captured.
The night Kain came to her, The Sarafan Lord showed up and burned her house to the ground. He didn’t know she was in there, he sensed Kain was, and whatever other “vampire” was in there, but her blood was tainted. Regardless who was in that shack, it was going to burn. She chose to stay behind, and accepted her fate because she knew what would come of her if she stepped out. She had lived her life long enough, and to be able to aid the scion of balance was life fulfilling enough for her.
On that night she died, and we the audience could only watch the solemness of her sacrifice, and the life she chose to live. A life in solitude, in hopes for a better future for Nosgoth. And we are left with the rocking chair where she once sat thinking of that bitter taste of that terrible illusion.
So when she said her fate lay along a different path than Kain's, what she really meant was My fate is only this cutscene, right here right now, and there is no path involved because I'm not taking another step. (I doubt she died there, unless her fate was to reincarnate as something specific to further the plot. Otherwise, teleportation escape. Which she just managed easily for Kain. The empty rocking chair moving on seemed to say she was moving on too, maybe disappearing again, but only for a little while since in a minute there would be no hylden left to hide from. Assuming her vampire side lets her survive in Nosgoth after BloodOmen2. If it doesn't, that's maybe a good reason for her to die and reincarnate....but then she wastes the cool hybrid body, so I'm not in favor of that.)
Great potential there with that character. Tough to write her alternate fate path, though! I think she used to advise Hylden Lord when his plan was still on track, and then she quit and that explains why he's now blind to things like Kain's comeback and the hyldens' defeat. It's impossible to find a time when Vorador could have turned her (he was vamped After the curse, which means after the banishment, which means she wouldn't have been there to vampify). Unless all these events happened gradually and there was a longer overlap period----only then would cursed vamps have the opportunity to interact with (bite) hylden on the nosgoth side of the barrier. Or Has the Seer been here all along, even before the corrupting of the pillars let the BO2 hylden jailbreak happen. It's all fuzzy. On purpose. So the next game could do whatever they wanted to.
@@larrymcmacarroon9529 you gotta great point there! The way I was seeing it, she could have broke free sometime after Kain’s defeat. Amy Henig and others who helped put this series together LOVES the number 500! I mean, despite Blood Omen 2 taking place 400 years after Kain refused the sacrifice, everything else seems to revolve around 500yrs. All of us here know how much can happen in just 1 year alone, so there is definitely plenty that could have happened within even a decade after Kain’s defeat.
Her being the former advisor to the Sarafan Lord sounds great as well! After all, the Sarafan Lord was extremely negligent in the end, not having foreseen Kain being able to recover so quickly and thwart all of his long arduous work within such a short amount of time. That was humiliating!
I’d like to talk about that, too. I may be straying away from what the developers left us with but was that really the Hylden Lord we see in BO2? The self proclaimed Sarafan Lord? I’m starting to ask this because he appears to look like all the others we encounter in the game, albeit the only distinction is the glowing aurora around his head and eyes appearing to look like a Hylden possessed by another. Going back and revisiting the series, the developers left yet another possibility that we haven’t truly seen the real Hylden Lord. This could also help explain why the Sarafan Lord was so negligent. The leader wearing that armor could have been the right hand to the Hylden Lord. The Hylden Lord could have been coming and going in and out of his conscious. While the Hylden Lord was away trying to make way for his army, this right hand servant could have been making grave errors that caused their catastrophic loss to Kain. I feel that would make for a better explanation than what we have been left with; that that was the Hylden Lord, Sarafan Lord, and General all in one 😅
Blood Omen 2 really hurt the timeline. But, I will defend the steam punk environment because the Hylden were far ahead in technology than the Vampires wanted to conform to, and it heavily reflects how far along we came with our industrial revolution during the 19th century! Kain passed out for 200yrs, the world is definitely going to change! 😂
Blood Omen 2 is fine. Young Kain was whiny, a disappointing portrayal maybe, so players joined in with the whining. Most complaints amount to "our god is missing from this game" (Hennig). But the content was fine, it only fumbled in the execution, lacking those little explanation blurbs that could have smoothed things over with the other games.
That's a good take on hylden lord (him being possessed by the real boss, which is why he had more green possession glow than a body possessed by regular hylden. Could be.
My way of making the failed invasion "okay" is by saying it succeeded in the way that mattered most, and then the hylden "defeat" covered this up so it won't be discovered until Kain goes to hell ages later to discover the truth.
False histories are a theme, so it's possible we haven't seen the true battle of champions yet, and maybe the real Hashakgik will emerge from slumber and be pissed off at the hylden for impersonating him, and at Elder God for "failing to do the one job i gave you!"
Mmmm, multiple elder gods. That would have been swell.
The way I see it: the Hyldan found a way to access the demon realm to possibly become immortal. The cost could be sterility and an aftont to the elder God.
The vampires are rattled up into a fuss and attack the heretics. In an ironic twist, the vampires banish the hyldan to the dimension the were researching. In return, the Hyldan blasted the vampires with an unfinished product of their research. The vampire curse. The immortality the vampires feared and sterility. Dooming them.
This makes sense to me. The hyldan all having been researching the demon realm and all the fall out surrounding the war
If the hilden Lord was just a general of a hilden guild, myabe Hash'ak'gik was the name of the guild.
Very well made and fun video! Thank you
Hylden were actually right in the end. They refused to worship a parasitic god.
My understanding was Hylden played the role of resurrecting Raziel
That's the thing, neither were right and wrong, even though Ancients started the war, Hylden built a weapon of mass destruction. Hylden, didn't revive Raziel. EG plugged himself into him but he would have risen up anyway.
Nah, most likely he awakened just like any other vampire wraith
@charleshastings7260 Sorry, but that's simply wrong. The Mass is not the same thing as EG. We have an original developer confirm that EG resurrected him but Raziel would have risen anyway. These are facts, not speculation.
You should do videos where you upload voice clips compilations of the characters.
A wonderfull video of the arcane tomes, nice job friend.
40:00 It wouldn't be bad if Melchahims looked similar.
Love the Akuji music in the beginning lol
The vibe that Jim hedges goes for is always on point.
Hi RainaAudron! Your Legacy of Kain lore is amazing! You must join the developers, that bought the rights (Embracer Group). We need an important person that completely knows and understands the complicated plot so that there are not complications and gaps (like Janos in Blood Omen 2).
You must join them, or at least contact them to study your videos!!!
Not only that. Crystal dynamics has published a survey for fans about what would they want for the future of the series.
Thank you! We will see what happens!
@@Niyucuatro I know, thank you. I have already completed the survey.
@@RainaAudron I even mentioned your name in the survey, so they will see your videos! 🙂
@@ΠάνοςΒασιλειάδης-ω7φ Aww, I appreciate that ❤️
I know blood omen 2 was easily the weakest in the series but it had a lot of good stuff that it brought to the lore
I TERIED THE TRENSLATOR
AND IT IS FROM THE DANISH LANGUAGE TRANSLATED AS
""""Haschak left """"
WHICH COULD MEAN THE BANNISHED ONE
Wow! Interesting finding! 👍
Legacy of Kain? I'm in!
I sometimes wonder if kain ever found out hash ak gik was his vampire son turel
I really have to wonder what the story would have been like in SR2 and Defiance had BO2 not made Amy do damage control. I feel like the Hylden's role in the plot might have instead been filled by the Elder God in some way, or perhaps there was a demon race in mind at first.
Hands down best game ever storytelling puzzles. I need them to remaster this game no reboot just update
One odd omission in your timeline is that you do not mention that the ability of the Hylden to reach out of the demon realm via possession is only possible due to the Pillars having human guardians. As the Pillars were made for the Ancients having humans instead weakened the binding such that the Hylden could regain a small foothold. This is why the Ancients would turn the human guardians into vampires but Mortanius and Moebius' rebellion ended this tradition thereby putting the Pillars wholly under human control. So the rise of the possession cult can only have happened during Mortanius' lifetime as guardian but I don't know of any sources that tell us just how long he and Moebius have lived.
The timeline can more clearly be defined as -
- the time of the Ancients and Hylden
- the time of Vampires controlling the Pillars (no Hylden influence)
- the time of Humans controlling the Pillars (and the Hylden able to finally reach out of their binding)
- the start of Blood Omen leading to the rise of Kain's empire (and in the latest timeline the brief return of the Hylden in between these two events).
Nosghot have so many mysteries.
Epic.
Эй парень я давно бью голову об стену пытаясь найти информацию об этой таинственной загадочной Провидица ну гибрид вампира и хильдена будь любезен пожалуйста сделай ролик о Ней буду весьма признателен и благодарен спасибо
11:52 Hot damn!
woaah i had no idea yanos was in blood omen 2. i have the game but never played it xD
I hever liked how the Hylden the bad guy of the series and the ancient vampires being portrayed as the good guys
All of the many characters of varying species are merely convenient tools gwtting involved in a war that is far bigger than them
Weirdest thing is...... I've never seen a transformed Hylden. Not once.
god bless, fantastic videos
I had an optimistic thought after watching the Defiance blooper reel again today. I realized that the perfect replacement for Tony Jay in a Soul Reaver Remake might just be Turel's voice actor from Defiance, they have a similar cadence only Turel's voice actor sounds younger, but similar to Tony when he's using his normal speaking voice.
Perhaps he could do it.
Did you forget that it was the vampires who started the war, something that the vampires conveniently omit from their own history, much like any "winning" side in a war. The victors of any war write off their opponent as evil so they can put themselves up on a pedestal.
Notice the similarities to LoTR, the west is all about nature and Mordor/Orthanc are very much technological.
The Elder God probably influence tỷ Ancients to go to war with Hyldens.
Even in Lotr it's not so simple but there was undeniably much villainy in the Hylden too. They certainly also sought domination and power. The EG manipulation of Ancients was what drove them to start the war on the religious ground...which makes Elder God responsible for that conflict. The Ancients seemed like a peaceful and powerful civilization, quite enlightened and noble in their own right, Janos as an example of his race seems very compassionate and reasonable, even treating humans with understanding though both of the ancient races were so much 'superior' and so easily could have looked on humans as 'worse' (and Hylden truly did, the imagery of them studying humans like some curious animal on the murals etc. Hylden ultimately see humans as slaves to their will).
When it comes to Lotr the 'good side' nature orientation vs evil technological is only a bit of simplification....the evil side is more likely to push into technological advancement due to the power and influence it brings in a way allowing for large scale reshaping of the world to the will of one who...naturally wants all the power. As Tolkien put it:
"The story is cast in terms of a good side, and a bad side, beauty against ruthless ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom with consent against compulsion that has long lost any object save mere power, and so on; but both sides in some degree, conservative or destructive, want a measure of control. But if you have, as it were taken 'a vow of poverty', renounced control, and take your delight in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing, and to some extent knowing, then the question of the rights and wrongs of power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of power quite valueless."
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"I do not intend to involve myself in any debate whether 'magic' in any sense is real or really possible in the world. But I suppose that, for the purposes of the tale, some would say that there is a latent distinction such as once was called the distinction between magia and goeteia.1 Galadriel speaks of the 'deceits of the Enemy'. Well enough, but magia could be, was, held good (per se), and goeteia bad. Neither is, in this tale, good or bad (per se), but only by motive or purpose or use. Both sides use both, but with different motives. The supremely bad motive is (for this tale, since it is specially about it) domination of other 'free' wills. The Enemy's operations are by no means all goetic deceits, but 'magic' that produces real effects in the physical world. But his magia he uses to bulldoze both people and things, and his goeteia to terrify and subjugate. Their magia the Elves and Gandalf use (sparingly): a magia, producing real results (like fire in a wet faggot) for specific beneficent purposes. Their goetic effects are entirely artistic and not intended to deceive: they never deceive Elves (but may deceive or bewilder unaware Men) since the difference is to them as clear as the difference to us between fiction, painting, and sculpture, and 'life'.
Both sides live mainly by 'ordinary' means. The Enemy, or those who have become like him, go in for 'machinery' - with destructive and evil effects - because 'magicians', who have become chiefly concerned to use magia for their own power, would do so (do do so). The basic motive for magia - quite apart from any philosophic consideration of how it would work - is immediacy: speed, reduction of labour, and reduction also to a minimum (or vanishing point) of the gap between the idea or desire and the result or effect. But the magia may not be easy to come by, and at any rate if you have command of abundant slave-labour or machinery (often only the same thing concealed), it may be as quick or quick enough to push mountains over, wreck forests, or build pyramids by such means. Of course another factor then comes in, a moral or pathological one: the tyrants lose sight of objects, become cruel, and like smashing, hurting, and defiling as such. It would no doubt be possible to defend poor Lotho's introduction of more efficient mills; but not of Sharkey and Sandyman's use of them." J.R.R.Tolkien letters
The side of evil in Lotr, Mordor or rather the singular figure behind it, the one tyrant god-king who wants to rule the world and shape it according to HIS will (so Dark Lord Sauron) is indeed an evil that needs to be fought....obviously the difference between the war with him and Ancient war with Hylden in Nosgoth is that in Nosgoth there was that a deceptive tyrant figure (Elder God) manipulated the 'free folk' to fight........much in a way that Sauron deceived the Numenoreans (further corrupting them to evil) so they would wage war upon the gods themselves and try to invade Aman the Blessed Realm :).
The spirituality of the Ancients, who valued life itself was taken advantage of and turned to their undoing......in a way this also resembles how the Elves were deceived by Sauron into forging the Rings of Power! Tolkien even called that the 'second fall' of the Elves!
In Tolkien's world one also may note that while Elves are indeed more spiritual, nature, peace loving beings, they (or groups of them) too were apt to veer into scientific and technological the Noldor, High Elves were the ones who were always most interested in magic and machines as Tolkien put it!
"But at Eregion great work began - and the Elves came their nearest to falling to 'magic' and machinery. With the aid of Sauron's lore they made Rings of Power ('power' is an ominous and sinister word in all these tales, except as applied to the gods)...."
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"Noldor] meant 'the Wise', that is those who have great knowledge and understanding. The Noldor indeed early showed the greatest talents of all the Elves both for intellectual pursuits and technical skills."
History of Middle-earth XI The War of the Jewels "Part 4. Quendi and Eldar" Part C: The Clan-names "Noldor"
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"The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men. That is: they have a devoted love of the physical world, and a desire to observe and understand it for its own sake and as ‘other’ - sc. as a reality derived from God in the same degree as themselves - not as a material for use or as a power-platform."
In a way both Ancients and Hylden are on almost extreme ends, Ancients though still must have some quite engineering knowledge and technical skills (they must have used some sort of devices and machines, though they seem to be more...magically inclined) but Hylden were the extreme scientists scientists who have purely material science and technology at heart....the Elves are a bit of both :) also depending on specific group.
The general similarities between Lotr and Legacy of Kain may be there :).
"…Anyway all this stuff is mainly concerned with Fall, Mortality, and the Machine. With Fall inevitably, and that motive occurs in several modes. With Mortality, especially as it affects art and the creative (or as I should say, sub-creative) desire which seems to have no biological function, and to be apart from the satisfactions of plain ordinary biological life, with which, in our world, it is indeed usually at strife. This desire is at once wedded to a passionate love of the real primary world, and hence filled with the sense of mortality, and yet unsatisfied by it. It has various opportunities of ‘Fall’. It may become possessive, clinging to the things made as ‘its own’, the sub-creator wishes to be the Lord and God of his private creation. He will rebel against the laws of the Creator - especially against mortality. Both of these (alone or together) will lead to the desire for Power, for making the will more quickly effective, - and so to the Machine (or Magic). By the last I intend all use of external plans or devices (apparatus) instead of development of the inherent inner powers or talents - or even the use of these talents with the corrupted motive of dominating: bulldozing the real world, or coercing other wills. The Machine is our more obvious modern form though more closely related to Magic than is usually recognised."
And Nosgoth sees this fall in practice :), mortality, the life and rebirth, and immortality of the vampires etc. power and domination.
Kind of dumb, but have you done a video on the combat in Soul Reaver 2?
I had no idea there were crouched attacks and stuff till I messed with it today.
I feel like it's common knowledge but I didn't really know there was more to the combat than in Soul Reaver 1 lol even if just a little bit.
No, but when the game came out, it was all described in the manual 😜
@@RainaAudron Still surprised me lol
Can someone correct me if I am wrong but Kain is a new type of vampire right? All the other human vampires before Kain was basically coming from the anicent vampire race. Right?
Correct, Kain is a special case, raised by necromancy/HOD thus he can only create more vampires via necromancy by using part of his soul.
It was stated by one of the designers that the Scion of Balance has some of the powers of all the guardians. So Kain most likely created vampires the same way Mortanius created him.
@@ericstaples7220 kain was reanimated through the heart of darkness. In order for him to bring his favoured sons back to life. He used parts of his own soul
@@ysbryd9779 Yep that was Mortanius's redemption angle because they didn't know that the Pillars were keeping the Hylden away, until the Sarafan/Hylden Lord, the Head Honcho of the Hylden took advantage of this by possessing Mortanius to kill Ariel and establishing the Hash ak' Gik' cult in Avernus due to Azimuth's nefarious shenanigans.
Honestly I would love to see Blood Omen remastered in a isometric style. Crate Entertainment (Grim Dawn developers) immediately come to mind. I feel that they could do a great job if given the opportunity and if the IP wasn’t lost in a holding group.
Whose got some money I think Embracer Group might be willing to sell off after all they’re not making any money off of the franchise. 😁
Funny you mention that.. saw user Ceilort making BO into an isometric style yesterday. Embracer only recently purchased the IP, they wouldn't have done so unless they have plans for it.
Thanks guys. It was sexual! Hylden music in the background is great for presentations.
Tidbits! .....the Machine was draining Janos to teach the Mass to target vampires. It took the blood of creatures, but must have been filtering out the vampiric essence from that blood to know who to hurt. Steal enough of that essence from Janos and what's left? The curse from hell that's tied to Janos' body. So he looked more like a hellion as his vampiric reserves drained away and the curse became almost all of what remained? Or something similarly worded. Like more exposure to hell tech distorted his body more demonic over time. Whatever. But then his Ancient angelic form snapped back into place right away after the Mass died! Like a soul rubber band. So, ? Based on those physics, there's hope for a quick cure for....all sorts of things. You need a bigger Machine than the pillars working on the cure for vampirism, though, it looks like, since the vampires never managed to reverse the curse with the tools they had. The hylden may have the missing toolkit for that? And/Or all the balance guardian spirits combined and purified. I'll stop now.
I always thought the Mass was the Elder God. Kain kills it, sending it to the spirit world, outside of time, where it continues to feed on vampires, and sets up a domino chain of temporal events to ensure its own existence...
greatings from germany to, i like your vids very much and it seams to provide some Pictures and ather stuff that im unabel to see in the german version of the Games, like in a ather vid 2 vampires in the swamps, watching Raziel discover the brutaly hunt in this Biom? ceep your work up :)
How did the Hylden become so powerful? I mean possessing a vampire like Janos Audron and demons must have been difficult.
They built machines for possession in the demon realm. They are described as scientists without morals.
I'm very happy that the remakes are underway for next year :)
Sorry? Nothing has been confirmed yet.
wish this was true...
What is the first song in the video?
If you do not meant the intro, that is the BO2 theme.
I don't think the seer hilden was a vampire. She didn't have fangs.
She is a vampire/Hylden hybrid, that was already confirmed.
I have a direct quote: "we had set up a seer in Nosgoth who was considered an abomination: a Hylden Vampyre hybrid from the old days. She wasn't banished to the Demon Realm, but was afflicted by the curse of the Hylden." Daniel Cabuco
@@RainaAudron What? She's both vampire and Hylden!?😱
Could the term "Hash ak Gik" just mean "Leader" in Hylden language?
Or "God" and its variations. Turrell was worshipped as a God, not a spiritual leader.
Legacy of kain, prolly one of the first know soulslike game? why not revamp and make it a gem again?
The way I view it (if we're assuming both the Vampyres and Hylden were innocent (also using "Vampyre" to refer to the ancients rather than modern vampires)), both of them helped to develop mankind. The Vampyres provided them spiritual enlightenment and scorcery while the Hylden developed them at a technological level. However, "if God is for us, who could be against us"? Once the Elder God commanded the Vampyres to declare war on the Hylden, the humans sided with the Vampyres since "God was on their side", hence the hatred for both Vampyres and humans. Besides, all we know from the Hylden are the demonisation by the Vampyres, which a thousand years of intergenerational war would do, as well as the few scraps of art and interations with a few individuals, which we're already biased against.
Also, for why the Seer escaped banishment, I think it's because she is a hybrid of Hylden and Vampyre that prevented the banishment from affecting her. Both races as a whole couldn't conceive of the thought that any individual members of the respective races could see past the hatred that ran so deep
Wait. What is the relationship between the Elder God and the Hylden?
There isn't really one. Their goals regarding Raziel aligned to give the impression of a grand conspiracy, but it doesn't really exist. Both hate the vampire but aside from that the Hylden and EG don't really get along.
@@bazlmoon ah, makes sense. It would be nice to see the supposed rumored sequel had them interact with each other.
Lets just say... if kain and raziel hate elder god, the hylden are the og haters from millenias past
Last I checked, vorador killed them though. Right?
.....What?
No Snape killed Dumbledore
The Hylden on preview looks like vojak meme.
The Mass that the Hylden were using...
I'm really beginning to think that it is actually the Elder God in physical form, with Kain's actions sending it to the spirit realm, where it becomes the beast we know today.
Time is but a loop.
Kain and Raziel are loose stitches
The Reaver is the needle.
slowly friend, we see that in defiance when the leder god gets crumbled by the architecture and ascends down. But youre on a path i also went for. BUt for what you describe the times doesnt match up, cause of that 200 years after bo1 thing, we saw the elder god 200 years before, concious. (maybe the hylden captured him?🤔) now i really struggle xD
Concerning the lore in BO2 the archictecure in merdian is old, and was only dug up, together with the mass, so i bet, the first time they did that 2000 years ago whatnot, they created something bigger there. So its actually the birth of the elder god (but offscreen, the first time they used the mass), so the mass as we saw it would be the elder god 2 but kain kills it.
that, or the elder god is a veeeeeeeery old vampire. I struggle between those two.
@@Dirty_Davos The elder god we meet in Soul Reaver 1 exists outside of time - we meet him at the furthest point in the timeline, yet he's always aware of "current" events in the story without using a chronoplast to move through time, and seems aware of reaver paradoxes without being present.
Kain killing him in BO2 sends him to the spirit world, where time does not flow, so he can exist outside of time in some fashion. He's manipulating time travellers to ensure his own existence.
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I dunno why there's people making videos about this absolute clusterfuck of incoherent lore full of retcons. The writers never bothered so why should anyone else? Soul Reaver 2 and on should be removed from the lore. I could make up a better ending than the stupid Hylden garbage. Also it was William the Just who killed the balance guardian, unless someone else had giant spikes on their shoulder armour that I'm forgetting from that game.
Mortanius had horns/spikes on his armor. You’re right, why bother? It’s a shame how the writers couldn’t keep up with their own story, and especially a shame how Crystal Dynamics and Silcon Knights couldn’t settle their discrepancies disregarding such a rich story they started
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You described 99% of modern video games and movies. So guess we should pnly make videos on a handful of games from the 80s since those will be the only ones without retcons and oddities with the lore.
Then just... Don't watch videos about it?
And go and fecking WRITE that better ending. The LOK fanfics sections at AO3 and FFNet are absolutely _anemic_ and if you're so sure you can do better, DO IT.
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Because Legacy of Kain has the best lore (that has to do with Vampires)
If you do not like Leagacy of Kain then watch those stupid modern western garbage like Twilight etc
Poor Hylden becoming hollows puppets of Hatred and vengeance by the manipulations of the parasitic elder god. Interesting Lore and interpretation of Nosgoth Demons too, i wonder a Arcane Tomé of the Elder God to come? 🦑🐙🕸️🪬🛞
I hope people don't get it twisted thinking the Hylden were the good guys. Let me make it simple, the Ancient Vampires were the religious zealots and the Hylden were the mad scientists. Both treated humans like crap. It's like the Nazis vs the Taliban. Both are terrible....but where's the 🍿 I'm tryna watch!! 🐸🧋
The franchise, though, has seemed to defer more to taking the sides of the vampires and making the Hylden the only bad guys
_The Hylden did nothing wrong_
Well, they were forced into a desperate situation by the Elder God and the ancient vampires.
The hylden became monsters but them trying to wipe out the vamps is still wrong 2 wrongs dont make a right yea they got banished but they still lived between their influence and the elder god and his pawn mobius the vamps became an endangered species