Giorno Giovanna is WEAKER than you think | Jojo's Bizarre Adventure!
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2023
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Just want to point out real quick, I see a few comments saying "This is just a copy of Jobber's Video!" Listen, Kratos, Hashi and I were the ones who HELPED him with most of those arguments, hence why our videos are so similar. I've had this video planned since January, Jobber just ended up uploading first. Which mind you, I have no issue with. But please stop saying its a copy when its not. Know the context or just don't comment, thank you.
I do want to add that Jobber at the start of his video credited all of you guys for helping him with creating the script for his video, so I don't see how people can forget about that when its the first thing mentioned in the video.
@@reflex9238 Exactly. I also fail to see the issue with two videos having similar information. If anything it just means more exposure for these arguments to be out there. Thank you for pointing out the credit from his video!
@@KosuSamaYou should scale Benimaru since you scale the Fire Force verse, he's one of the most beloved characters and he's pretty powerful, so I'm sure the vid would do good
Umm ozi maki scale
Diavolo doesn’t mess with people’s perception, HE ACTUALLY ERASES TIME, this is a common misconception from people trying to oversimplify KC’s ability due to it being hard to understand, especially in the manga. Diavolo actually erases time, we see this numerous times, for example in the Risotto Doppio fight, Aerosmith’s bullets went straight through him due to the fact that any actions committed during Time Erasure, IS ERASED HENCE THE NAME. The Anime somewhat mistranslates Diavolo’s ability by having people still move during stopped time, while in actually, in the Manga people during stopped time are not moving, rather the actions they will commit during that specified time are laid out individually like frames in a video, the comparison to this is the painting “Nude descending a staircase”. They don’t actually move because Time is erased, without Time, everything just becomes projections of what will happen, saying that Diavolo just makes people forget the actions they did is like saying Jotaro and DIO doesn’t actually stop time, they just freeze people in place and messes with their perception.
finally someone who explains it properly i see a lot of people either over simplifying or add their own shit
I heavily agree with this, i think the thing that sorta went ignored in this video is that which events Diavolo decides to participate into are selective, while the video assumes are passive and applies to all events. the whole talk about cause and effect happens because inbetween actions theres loads of causes and effects happening, like the bullets shooting and hitting diavolo, and the bullets shooting and traveling through space are two separate events that happen to be the same, just with a different result, Diavolo just edited himself out of those frames
I do have a question though. If he really did erase time. Then why does the quanity of blood droplets increase if the moment of time where the blood droplets inceased was erased
@@olp3850 it erases the time in between, but still keeps the effect
@@olp3850 King Crimson’s ability views time as linear, and not like how we view it
I hate when people trash talk king crimson and say it doesn't actually erase time "coz that's not possible" why are you putting real life logic on a anime character. last I checked the flash running though time or naurot creating clones aint possible irl but no one ever seems to have a problem with that trying to debunk there abilitys.
he literally explained why it isnt time erase
Wtf is there to debunk about cloning
@@bigman5552 i mean but king crimson is literally stated to be similar to stands that use time stop and the fact that ger is said to be the ultimate stand that can rtz everything ofc i wont be able to explain it properly but there is a comment that goes more detail on everything said here its by the user "lucid6484" and i do think he said it much better than i did with more evidence from jojo veller
@@bigman5552do you still believe he doesn't erase time?
@@bigman5552
The explanation is dogshit. It’s literally just nitpicking the fact that Hirohiko Araki is not a theoretical physicist because ‘EEEEEEEEUGH THAT ISNT HOW TIME WORKS IN REAL LIFE’ despite clear evidence that Diavolo isn’t talk.
Was waiting a long time for this, glad its here at last.
Let’s go over these points one by one.
1. "Diavolo doesn't actually erase time. The popular notion behind King Crimson's ability is that he removes event A and only leaves event B. If King Crimson's ability truly eliminates event A and GER's ability reverts the events, then how did Return to Zero even work? How can you revert an event back to its prior state if that prior state no longer exists?"
Unironically, Return to Zero was able to do this simply because it could. It just shows that Return to Zero can work on wacky abilities such as Time Erase. Take Cream for example. Since Cream doesn't physically exist in the universe, logically, Return to Zero shouldn't be able to return him to zero, but we know that Return to Zero could affect Cream as Return to Zero is regarded as the ultimate ability that can bring everything to nothing, which would include the likes of Cream and Time Erase, given that if it wouldn’t, we wouldn’t be able to call it the ultimate ability.
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JJBA is a fictional story about superpowers. Having a supernatural, abstract superpower that doesn’t work like we’d expect it to isn’t uncommon in fiction and is totally normal. Additionally, I doubt Araki gave this any deep consideration when writing the arc. Be honest here, have you ever wondered, "Wait, how is GER reverting erased time when there is no time there in the first place?" while first watching or reading the arc, hell, even the second time? I know I definitely haven’t. Likewise, around 98% of JoJo fans also haven't. It's very likely that Araki just didn't think about this very carefully or, as I’ve said already, just wanted to further portray Return to Zero as being the ultimate ability.
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2. “Another issue with believing King Crimson erases actual time is that tangible things still happen during those apparent erased events, such as King Crimson dodging Mista's bullets and Sticky Fingers' punches, or King Crimson throwing blood on Giorno's face, proving he can still interact with them mid-time erasure."
How do any of these examples prove that tangible events occur within erased time? Let's start with Diavolo dodging Mista's bullets. It serves as a demonstration to emphasize Diavolo's invulnerability, showcasing that no attack can even come close to harming him, and it probably just looked cool from Araki's point of view. And most importantly, it sets up the bullets being Returned to Zero later to clearly show how stuff is reversing rather than having to draw the bullets passing through Diavolo, as that would make the situation less obvious and more confusing. Let’s also ignore how we blatantly saw bullets pass through King Crimson in the King Crimson Vs Metallica arc.
[imgur.com/a/QMOkU9g]
Next, we have King Crimson "dodging" Sticky Fingers' punch. If you paid close attention to what was happening in the manga, you'd notice that King Crimson wasn’t actually moving his head out of the way. Rather, it was the force of Sticky Fingers' punch that pushed King Crimson's head forward. This happened due to Sticky Fingers hitting King Crimson's cheek just prior to him erasing time.
[imgur.com/a/Ai2Xj96]
Finally, you argue that Diavolo throwing his own blood at Giorno proves tangibility, but that's a misunderstanding of what is actually going on. In Diamond Is Unbreakable, it was established that once blood leaves someone's body, it becomes separate from them and behaves like an independent object. So, Diavolo's blood after leaving his body wouldn't be affected by his resistance anymore, and it would simply appear as a projection landing on Giorno’s projection, both of which aren't physically real.
[imgur.com/a/FCePUDl]
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3. "And lastly, the blood droplet method. The fact that this is even a viable counter to the ability creates a massive hole in this line of reasoning, as the blood drops increase in quantity after time was erased."
This doesn’t create any holes at all though. In the erased time frame, other people will be unable to experience anything that happened and will retain no memories of it either. After the allotted time frame, they and other objects will suddenly find themselves in the situation they were supposed to be in afterwards. We know this is possible, as in JJBA, the future is already set in stone. This is what helps Epitaph’s ability to work the way it does. After Time Erase ends, everything gets skipped ten seconds into the already known and established future rather than progressing up to it.
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4. "Made in Heaven accelerates time for everyone but himself."
This is just a misinterpretation of how Made in Heaven works. Upon activation, Made in Heaven gradually speeds up the flow of time for everything in the universe, with the exception of living things, which can't catch up. The only ones who can move freely in the accelerated world are it and the user. What this means is that Made in Heaven accelerates non-living things, himself and his Stand. This is what allows him to gradually speed up while the rest of the Stone Ocean crew had their speed unchanged.
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5. "Now let's get into the whole GER stats say "none" stuff that apparently supports the idea that he can't be measured, meaning he's above all Stands. Did you know we have other Stands like Sky High and Rolling Stones that have the same "none" rating, but for one, aren't Requiem Stands, and two, don't have any scaling to support those stats being above other Stands?"
The thing is, they don’t have the same "none" stat. In JJBA, there are two forms of "none" stats. Araki deliberately went out of his way in JOJOVELLER to modify the stats of every Stand who had "none" except GER. Weird, right? No, not at all. It was to show the differences in their stats. The first is "none" because it doesn’t have said stats, while the second is "none" because it exceeds the Stand measuring rod.
[imgur.com/a/CGwhcFZ]
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6. "So what does "none" mean then?"
It can mean one of two things. In the case of GER, its lack of stats indicates that its abilities and power surpass the limits of the standard Stand measuring rod. GER operates on a level beyond what can be quantified or comprehended by conventional means. On the other hand, for all other Stands that lack specific stats, it signifies either that the Stand/ability doesn't possess that particular stat or that the stat itself is not possible to be meassured due to various reasons.
"It could just mean that their stats can't be measured because there isn't a way of measuring these categories in specific or the stats could pertain to their abilities, which also have no way of measuring. This would make sense with GER and his ability to return to zero since it literally does what the name implies."
This would make sense if his stats were to say "なし" rather than "破壊力なし, スピードなし, 射程距離なし, 持続力なし, 精密動作性なし and 成長性なし".
""Well Kosu how do we know they're not just talking about his capabilities like Star Platinum?" Well, because the description literally only talks about his ability, not his physical stats. This is also consistent with the JoJo-A-Go!Go! statement that everyone loves to use, saying the ability of Requiem selected by arrow is impossible to compare with the existing Stand measuring rod. Even Giorno, the main body, doesn't know about the power that makes all willpower go away."
This isn’t fully the case, though. GER’s stats are in reference to Return to Zero, except for his destructive power stat. Return to Zero doesn’t have a destructive power. So what could that stat refer to? Araki, believe it or not, tells us this: "Furthermore, it has an attack power that surpasses that of existing Stands, so it can be said to be a "perfect Stand.". It refers to GER himself rather than any of his abilities.
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"Now let's say it was talking about his physical capabilities. What does that even mean if Sky High also has "none" stat ratings? Does that mean Sky High is then faster than every Stand too?"
As previously mentioned, the "none" stats in JJBA do not have to hold the same meaning. While "none" typically implies a lack of a specific attribute, it's important to note that these stats can have varying interpretations depending on the context.
‼NOTE: I couldn't fit everything in one comment so check the replies for the second part
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7. "GER does not scale above characters in parts that are past part 5. Yes, the translations for JOJO-A-GO!GO! and JOJOVELLER mention him being above existing Stands, but this only relates to parts that he actually appears in and possibly prior. There is no reason to suggest that the release date for a secondary source would dictate what statements apply to which parts. It's more consistent to assume whatever statements they have about certain Stands apply for their appearance within their respective parts, especially when you have statements like this one about Star Platinum having the strongest Stand ability in history and being unrivaled in part 6 straight from the manga, AKA the primary source material, which contradicts the idea that GER is stronger than every Stand in every part."
The statement that mentions GER being stronger than all existing Stands is only possibly in reference to parts prior to Vento Aureo? Let’s get into the semantics behind the word "existing". I will be using Oxford Languages for this. The definition they gave is: "in existence or operation at the current time.". The keywords here are "at the current time". This would therefore include all alive Stands during Vento Aureo, which would include most of the Stardust Crusaders and Diamond Is Unbreakable Stands as they’d fit into the definition. Saying that it would include only Stands from Vento Aureo would require more evidence, as we would not be taking the definition at its face value. Hell, even Silver Chariot and Echoes Act IV, Stands from Stardust Crusaders and Diamond is Unbreakable, make an appearance in Vento Aureo, so how would that work? Also, there is no rule or even implication that when a Stand is talked about, it only refers to their specific part. Let’s also not ignore the Standology section from JOJO-A-GO!GO!, which has zero problems mentioning multiple Stands from different parts in the same sentence.
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Same thing with JOJOVELLER. At what point does it specify the restriction that when it talks about a Stand, it only talks about it in reference to its specific part? When it mentions Crazy Diamond having high stats, is it just talking about Diamond Is Unbreakable? Obviously not… It means that he has high stats on a general basis among all other Stands.
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Next, you mention the scan from Stone Ocean, which states that Time Stop is the strongest Stand ability ever. By your logic, why wouldn’t we assume that this is only in reference to Stone Ocean? Why the double standard? Also, said statement is a blatant outlier. To start off, Time Stop has not been called the ultimate ability once in either JOJO-A-GO!GO! or JOJOVELLER. The closest we have to an ability being called the ultimate ability except for Return to Zero would be King Crimson’s statement saying that he has an invincible defensive ability (we all know what happened to King Crimson in the end lmao).
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Furthermore, Araki in JOJO-A-GO!GO! makes a direct comparison between Time Erase and Time Stop. Return to Zero affected Time Erase, a time manipulating ability, with ease, so it not being able to affect Time Stop would be nonsensical.
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8. "Another out to the speed problem that GER fans like to try and use is that Return to Zero is passive and not activated. If Return to Zero was actually passive, it would be constantly returning to zero everything around it constantly reversing the causality of everything near it, and it would be a totally and utterly uncontrollable and useless ability."
I doubt most are referring to the definition you are using. Most of the time, when saying "Return to Zero is passive", they mean that it is an automatic ability, as in that it can turn on by itself rather than depending on GER or Giorno’s cognitive input.
In conclusion, GER is still him
This was very well written of a debunk. I'd even say a more sound and accurate analysis of the series. (Which it is)
@@FatherLucidW realised rtz is automatic
@@Inedow_The_Source_of_Racism I’ve been saying that for some time now 🙌
@@FatherLucid people like this youtuber just say it for the interaction and people just buy it idk how and why
Another great video man, always a treat to get to listen to facts and logic. Can't wait to see more from you in the future!
Me who knows nothing about JoJos: I like your funny words, magic man
I think a better explanation is that King Crimson “fast-forwards” time rather than erases
Edit: or you can say that he “erases” the time required for the following sequences to occur
So we not gonna talk about when diavolo skipped time and bullets went through him. GER’s ability revert to zero makes it to where you didn’t even move after the state of zero. Diavolo was even taken back when he realized he didn’t even move after learning of GER’s ability. And back to king crimson… Narancia’s death. King crimson has been stated that he can’t interact with anything during erases time (I.e he can’t attack people unlike say DIO in stopped time) meaning he erased the time where king crimson killed narancia. So the idea that king crimson gets rid of the cause and we are left with only the effect is valid. It’s just GER doesn’t revert more like makes it to where you never even did anything past the point of zero
The part with Dopio is an outlier imo. There is no other instance where that happens. For the rest of what you said, rewatch the video. I’ve already mention how he blatantly throws blood on Giornos face mid “time erasure” so that just proves what you said wrong.
@@KosuSama being the fact that diavolo also had bullets go through him when he was in mista’s body as well I can’t say it’s an outlier. But back to throwing blood at polnareff. If he could interact then he easily could have killed polnareff during earased time. Diavolo cannot directly attack someone in earased time or directly interact with them. I compared it to DIO stopped time where he was shown to easily be able to attack and interact with the people around him. So diavolo earasing time is getting rid of cause.
@@KosuSama plus seeing something done once and never again is so common in Jojo’s. Like GE’s life giver ability to reflect attacks. We only see it done once and then we completely forget about it after the Bruno fight. But we still count it as an ability that Giorno has.
@KosuSama Fun Fact(also a bit of a theory ig): As long as Diavolo is able to touch something before he erases time, he'll be able to bring it into erased time with him. This explains why he's able to keep his clothes on during erased time and that one scene where a maid walked into Doavolos room and he was able to erase time while collecting all the photos and hiding the broken computer.
This would explain why the bloodtrick works. The Blood is no longer connected to Diavolo so it no longer acts or has the effects of erased time...
@@KosuSama any response
Yesss sir W video and what comes next is the benimaru scale 😈
That Surfbone guy sounds like a very informative guy. Anyway, banger video
I don't understand anything about manipulations with time but great video 👍
Thank you!! 🙏🏽
that golden hair fodder is a complet fraud ngl 🤡 i hate how joojo stas overhype him when he isn't even top 5 in the verse and actualy loses to naruto op, db bleach and even mha charatees loll 💀☠
Yknow like he solos them combined right?
Blud he still reliably scales faster than those verses so it'd be a stalemate
Bro is hating on Giorno and he’s a jojo fan. Giorno solos.
@@geekyk4408giorno is definitely overrated
People think he is boundless
I love this - very nice video! Very informative.:)
Thank you!! :D
good video!
As a jojofan
i am still confused ,on which one i should believe, if goirno is strong or weak?
I mean he’s still strong but the point of the video was to explain why he isn’t AS strong a lot of the community makes him out to be. If that makes sense? He’s still very much a powerful character.
He is as strong as people see him as
No one is as bad as Goku stans
Oh no, you be surprised
Except for GER stans.
Except for saitama stans.
Ah yess
Call others stan or fanboys if you fail to prove them wrong
😂😂😂
Nice vid. Really liked it.
Wha the heck is put willpower to zero anyway?
People cant use stands?
thank you for this
Hey Kosu. Have you seen that comment by that Lucid guy in this comment section? He makes interesting and good points. I think you should give it a read, as it makes good points. It's good to see new perspectives every once in a while. 😊👍
Emperor speed stat refers to the bullets, the bullets count as the stand. In the justice fight enya comments on how hol borse retracted his bullet right before killing him when he was controlling his arm with justice. Plus the bullets cand bend trajectory and come back like boomerangs, thats how abdol was first shot in india in the fight with the hanged man. Not commenting on the video itself, just that this misconception was itching my brain keep it up man
Idk man I’m just getting tired of everyone arguing about this and I’m going to wait till Araki finally gives us a solid answer in 10 years
but what if he's wrong in 10 years?
@@KosuSama Watch Araki make a databook which says Bites the Dust is the ultimate stand ability or smth
He forgor to do it
Yesssiiiir! W Kosu fr
No you W!!
(note im only up to 3:42 on the video so i will be replying to myself to atleast answer and no im not nerdy for all i know i could be sprouting some random ass pulls and i without a doubt know your smarter then but me im just a random guy on the internet giving his opinion and answer)
I know someone will definitely debunk this. But diavolo Skips time and i somewhat have some proof to back it up. Giorno in eps 33 15:50 while running upstairs and when diavolos ability activated Giorno outright states "Time just skipped!".
In the same eps (18:14) Diavolo, after being struck by polanereff also states "You've figured out how to see when time has skipped by counting drops of blood."
I've sorta realized how eps 33 almost basically revolves around explaining Diavolos ability because IN THE SAME EPS (20:20) Giorno again states "I-It happened again! It skipped! Time skipped again!"
there was also another instance where Giorno uses the blood drop method eps (12:25) eps 36.
And for some reason im gonna say some random explanation that in a weird way fits into his ability explanation (at least i think it will🤦♂).
We know that diavolo can't interact or attack while time is being skipped. The blood drop method is a method that somewhat counters time skip but it only works if you are fast enough to react to diavolo attacking after the time skip finishes. This proven when giorno (with ge) couldn't react or avoid Diavolos attack meanwhile polanereff succeeded because he was fast enough to react to him. This is why diavolo blinded polanereff to counter that method (note he did state "I've defeated my past self" possibly hinting towards his mistake when he got hit by polanereff.)
My explanation and thoughts on his ability is that,
Basically when diavolo skips time he is skipping over a "time period" and in that skipped "period" he is able to move freely and reposition himself for his next attack. People only get confused because they didnt know what happened throughout that skipped period. I've also notice this is possibly what the manga and statements about his time erasure is referring to which i believe it is and This is also why GER is able to revert his ability because the "Effect" is there but its just merely being skipped over so GERs rtz reverts the "Effect" back to the "Cause"i really did think of a good argument but im so mad at myself for loosing it and if anyone reads this please do give your thoughts about it because my brain is overheating from the shit i just rambled on about🧠😵
Basically jobbers just less explained and less in depth
But uh, Any chance we get to make giorno more fodder is good
"less explained" has a pretty negative connotation to it. Just because its a shorter video doesn't mean there is less explained about the topic. I just go over what is actually relevant. I don't need to make a 40 min video to cover this stuff lol. Also I helped Jobber with these arguments, along with kratos and hashi. He just posted first.
Big W vid
Pls my man make an vidéo on wander of you and his "logic'' power lamo.
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Didnt think id see a debunk video. Cus most ppl think GER is OP.
There is one translation that says that GER reverts the attacks to zero, i.e. he negates them. Many of us say it is causality manipulation because it can be described like this:
"GER makes it so causes have no effect"
Examples: Diavolo tries to use King Crimson but nothing happens.
Diavolo tries to move but he doesnt. Epitaph confirms that Diavolo will kill Giorno but it never happens.
It can also be described like this: "GER can negate the consecuences or your actions"
That is why you die, but that doesnt do anything, i.e. you dont die.
GER says that his ability is to prevent his opponent to reach the truth, I think "truth" means the outcome of your actions because that consistenly explains what is going on.
Giorno is weaker than you think in your dreams
He is
@@Keith_Norman in your dreams
as a jojo fan i agree with this video
also 5d is crazy
Although you make good points, there is this video:ua-cam.com/video/dqBMrgoNGJQ/v-deo.html, which is a cutscene from eyes of heaven, where he syas he can prevent any reality from happening. And although it is countered by Dio above heaven, i would say that is still pretty powerfull. However, I could see the argument that eyes of heaven isnt really cannon, so it really depends, as well as the fact that Giorno isnt really supposed to know.
Well the reality part IS accurate to the p5
If ur blind it says that goorno ascends ervery stands stats in every point ant here is something named nutorious big wich is faster than made in haven
first of almost every jojo fan agreed on king crimson not erasing time, 2ns diavolo sure erase the cause like you said that for the effect there has to be a casue but you ignorantly left the fate in jojo the fate is destined diavolo remoeved himself from the fated time event but fate is already distined so it continued (the reason why diavolo is in infinite death loop is because of him fking with fate so fate give giorno the ultimate counterattack to king crimson through ger, the same thing happend to pucci he tried to forced everyone's fate but ultimately fate removed him from existence), just because diavolo removed the cause doesnot mean he removed fate is what i wanted to say inshort, the blood which is thrown on giorno's face is an object of its own josuke also commented on these thing in part 4 in josuke vs kira, stands stats are as we already know most of the time inconsistences (i dont know who the f told you that jjojo fans argued with other on the bases of stands stats), and the last , giorno's ger is pasive now the pasive doesnot say it would retrurn everything to zero around him his ability is return to the state of when the person/object try to hit/attack giorno, suppose you werr to attack him through a sniper shot the bullet will reach giorno but wont hit him and then the moment will return back to when the person with the gun(and for youre information gojo's infinity is not passive he can deactivivate it on command)
Gojo vs wonder U(toru),what is your basic take.
Wou vs ger is a mess that SHOULDNT be debated
As we dont know if rtz blocks only living beings or anything
So its a dumpster fire
on equalised speed, wou would destroy gojo
@@sirjoesphjoestar8361 no need lmao gojo dies the second fight begins
king crimson does erase time that why he can do anything in that time
You can't really compare Sky High's null stats to GER null stats since Sky High is literally an OBJECT while GER is a humanoid stand, GER's strength would be at most equally as strong as Star Platinum
Also Diavolo can actually erase time, it literally shows the effects in the anime where since he completely removed the past 10 seconds he was able to avoid Aerosmith's bullets (literallly passes through him because then again he's in a space where time does not exist anymore)
Time to debunk the comment on strength star platinum and G.E.R aren’t the same strength star platinum is way stronger physically Araki confirmed star platinum is the strongest stand physically not tied at all
@@JohnTendency
Nah Star Platinum was the strongest stand years ago, now it's Wonder of U, it was never specified on what category was Star Platinum the strongest at, and obviously stands like GER, Tusk, WoU, and Go Beyond contradict the "Star Platinum is the strongest stand" statement
Star Platinum is also tied with The World for having the most destructive power
"GER's strength would be at most equally as strong as Star Platinum"
Blatantly false. GER has a better AP feat and a better AP statement
How I scale Giorno pre watching this vid (I’ll edit after vid)
Ap: Mountain+
Durability: Not known most likely mountain-island
Speed: Infinite-Immeasurable
Overall tier: Universal+- low multiversal thanks to Hax
After Vid
Ap: unknown most likely low town
Durability:unknown most likely above GE
Speed: Either MFTL+ (compared to KC) or Infinite
Hax: RTZ is a semi passive it activates immediately when Giorno is in danger and either is causality manipulation or literally hitting backspace on whatever you did
Overall: 4D thanks to RTZ most likely the 5-6th strongest stand
He is like 5D
@@Inedow_The_Source_of_Racism
No being 5D is being above infinity literally only 1 maybe two jjba characters get that being S&W GB and WoU
@@Inedow_The_Source_of_Racism agreeed, 5D via being above space time
we can discuss it if you are willing to
@@sirjoesphjoestar8361
There’s no way GER is 5D as he doesn’t transcend space or time because RTZ isn’t time manipulation and neither is time erase
Showa Godzilla slams also w video
So basically goku soloes the verse?
Maybe? Depends on how some stands works, for example if bohemian rhapsody summons a character that is stronger than goku
@@user153xhzbso8e comics and mangas exist in the jojoverse, that's how bohemian rhapsody works, it brings to life fictional characters
@@user153xhzbso8e why they wouldn't scale the same? I mean I haven't watched Hokuto no Ken, but does he scales higher than city level?
Nah
Goku solo's everyone besides Wonder of U for pretty reasonable ground.
I'm here to laugh at the salt, where is the salt!!!!!!
Oh it’s coming lol
This makes me hate power scaling more but like one youtuber once said (maybe Metas 🤔) when it comes to jojo don't think of power think of intelligence
I agree with the speed but it is a passive ability after an attack happens it reverse back to zero and I know this because king crimson can see 10 seconds in the future and will you look at that it didn't happen witch me it has some fate power as well and that's why people argue it's 5d that mostly because Fate has such a big part in JoJo I not saying it is but it could be.
Unfortunately there's like one character that can actually be scaled to 5D and that's Wonder of u, soft and wet and D4 love train. Ger isn't on the same level as them
It's about time! Let the salt COMMENCE!
Yea jojo fans do be willin ,in a “debate” I had I said Altair was 4-6D and he said and I quote “and 6D is nothing when lowballed novel kars should be at least 37D”
yeah thats wild.
@@KosuSama just out of curiosity the shinra video you made still holds up right?
@@midnight-envy yeah it does but there are a few things in it that I clarify further in the Arthur video in regards to adolla. I'm also planning on making a separate video just talking about Adolla itself.
@@KosuSama k thanks the imaginative force sounds damn near identical to the one in re:creators so I wanted to know if it was more or less up to date
you compared GER’s none stat with ‘sky high’ , ‘burning down the house’ but everything you told were had no attack potency and enable to damage their own power
-Sky high
control creature called ‘rod’ which can steal temperature
He can’t damage(hit or slash) people
-Burning down the house
This stand is just a ghost room
Can’t fight or harm people
And ger the ultimate stand statement was stated at 2014
(Jojoveller)
The latest information of stand informations, you can’t just ignore that
Yes ger is stated with the ulitmate stand in jojoveller but in the same vein. In part 6. Its stated that star platinum is the ultimate stand. And this statment should be more valid than jojoveller since it came from the manga itself
@@olp3850 dude jojoveller is whole summary explanation of jojo seires on detail
Also 'the ultimate star platinum ' was debunked by MIH and past information than jojoveller
@jianha5718 if i recall correctly. The ger is the ultiamte stand was stated in jojo a gogo. Which was all the way back in 2000. Not jojoveller
@@olp3850 jojo a gogo and jojoveller both of them stated ger is the ultimate stand
@@jianha5718Crazy how Jotaro's Star platinum is stated to be the strongest ability as well.
Legit, GER is overrated and confusing asf, no wonder Jobber made a crazy debunk on GER.
I am SO glad you mentioned stand stats and how fallible they really are.
Anyways, good stuff.
Thanks! Yeah I’ve grown tired of hearing stands stats be this “end all be all” thing when they’re nonsensical at times lol. I appreciate the support!
@@KosuSama Absolutely, man.
@@KosuSama stats were done after araki writes the arc
Well some stands had none states on many category .
But GER statistics pannel had the spin theory .
Well GER just get strong enough to beat his opponents full potential .
And some other stands like echoes and spice girl had a own characteristics (even most stands could have).but they introduce themselves ,explain the condition and express their abilities on their own.
In GER,s ability field.
Giorno was in unconscious and GER was fights diavolo on it's own.
I disagree he was too weak.
Because he had the combined personality of jonathan and dio .
You feel it in the story .
Technically that is the reason i like giorno more than jotaro.
Not for he was too powerful.
And Dragon balls and one punch man was not accurate as jojo.
Ok.....but like where's the fire force Content?
and I hate the agreement where ppl say they can return to 0 saitma when he never got his powers yet
Sure Giorno can't do that but Saitama still ain't hurting Giorno and Giorno can't hurt Saitama
its not just power based you know that right? its will power which is what saitama mainly attacks with
Facts people keep forgetting that tistand users are still human bro.....
I think Goku is faster than Giorno and stronger because he fought Hit Hit is just a better diavolo
Stop saying this !!
GER does not manipulate causality or things related to time, he just REVERSES the actions or what led Giorno to his end, then reversing the situation.
Regarding Perfect Stand; Ultimate stands are not suitable for this. Ultimate Stand is a more powerful ability than other stands, such as Star Platinum. This is why in fact the stand is perfect, it is extremely powerful and you will understand after I finish.
Regarding Stats: Well, it's simply easy to see that GER's statistics show that it is not a COMMON stand, as it can attack and act even though it has no stats. In addition to the quote that says he is incomparable and his stats cannot be measured with STAND stats. And at this point in the story, infinity was already a classification, and it was little to classify GER with infinity, as powers go beyond that.
And MIH couldn't do anything, as it was stopped at TS and RTZ>TE>Timestop.
GER is not only above stands below part 5, but also all subsequent ones as no skill has come to compare. In addition to the stats that are NORMAL, even for Tusk or SAW.
The point is what I'm going to say now: GER will only reverse Giorno's death. And this is shown when he just reverses the fate predicted by Epitaph.
And you can say that supposedly the GER doesn't have speed HAX because the TE is a fake, but that's not true!
Diavolo erases everything within 10m, which means he erases existence and people. So people who were erased (because we couldn't see the horizon), ceased to exist and returned later to where they would have been in 10 seconds in time, understand? Anyone who is not erased is FORCED to do what they would do for Fate. Diavolo erases all reality to benefit HIMSELF, and even though it has no such effect on people, the ability is better for himself, transcending space-time, allowing him to transcend the future. And GER reverted him to this state and the STATE of a place where the temporal DIMENSION did NOT exist.
This is very good to show that GER does have speed stats and feats, which are above most stands.
It is worth mentioning that it is so powerful that it can make a person revert forever and affect even their deaths, making Diavolo die infinitely in parallel UNIVERSES, which gives a HAX multiversal range of great power.
I saw the video but I don't remember everything, so this is what I could remember.
Go Beyond possible to be >> RTZ, butIt's not proven and also, Gappy has difficulty hitting Go Beyond, so it would be difficult for him to do so, which is why he would still lose, and would also be defeated by several other characters.
Go Beyond bubble is op but Josuke has to be extremely close to his enemy in order to the bubble hit perfectly. Because josuke can't control or even see the bubble.
In 1v1 cases with GER realistically, probably already blitzed Josuke before he use any ability or reset his will to harm giorno to 0.
Soft&wet definitely is the deadliest in terms of ability, it can't be stopped by anything. But it has many flaws. That's why people prefer bring Giorno to the debate with any character in fiction, If rtz doesn't work GER can blitz it with his speed. And if Giorno too weak he can reflect any damage and pain sense manipulation. Literally negate any strong durability even though he's weak in AP.
Uhhh Nuh uh
Damn so jotaro negs?
Based take
U have genuinely angered me
Everything was good except your argument against passive rtz. You literally mentioned Gojo whos passive ability, infinity, works similarly to RTZ by only blocking threats from touching him at all times. Same thing applies to RTZ it doesnt just revert every single action around him but instead reverts threats or attacks againsts Giorno.
No no, that’s not what I said. Infinity is a passive ability because he always has an infinite space around him that constantly slows down anything that approaches. RTZ is something that needs to be activated in response to something every time. There’s a huge difference.
RTZ is passive. We know this cause
1. Diavolo confirms he didn't even resume time yet. The anime misinterpreted this scene. In the manga, Diavolo states "only I can move within erased time", Implying he never ended the ability
2. In the data books, it's confirmed TE negs reaction. It puts people in a state of confusion. Meaning GERcould not have activated RTZ manually. It is passive...
@@LAZYCRAAAZYGAMER death of the author also the blood. if rtz was really passive it would rtz's the moment diavolo activated te or threw blood at diavolo. quit huffing giorno's asshole. giorno a kiryu victim
@bigman5552 no reason for it to be a death of author
RTZ didnt work during TE or blood cause it wasn't necessarily an "attack" or something that "harms" Giorno.
@@KosuSama But thats not even how infinity works. Gojo literally explains that it works by sensing the shape, mass, speed, and cursed energy of an object that is coming near him to determine the danger level and blocks it accordingly. This means that infinity is not blocking everything at all times but blocking all threats. Regardless the point is that just because RTZ is not passive in the same was as infinity doesnt mean its not passive. All I mean when I say its passive is that is can be activated without giorno being aware or even involved, not that is always on or someting.
Giorno is staight up ligma. Overrated jojo and Worst son of Dio. Worst of all it, all this crap fanwanking for the last 10+ years when he hasn't been the strongest in the franchise since the beginning arc of stone ocean.
Debunk him properly then
The dude lost credability the fucking second he said rtz isnt passive
Giorno Fans: GER is the strongest stand!!!11!!
My Brother in Christ
Tusk Act 4
Wonder of U>>>
@@epic-gamer57 *Inhales*
Josuke beat Wonder of U and Tooru about 10 seconds after learning spin. All he did was spin the bubbles in a certain way. It's pretty safe to assume Tusk Act 4 could do the exact same, given how Soft and Wet could do it pretty easily despite it not being in touch with the spin at all. Tusk could (probably) beat Wonder of U at ACT 1 if Johnny knew how to spin his bullets right. Johnny wasn't even killed by WoU. He was weakened by him via the rock disease. I'm partly not even sure that Wonder of U caused that, but I can barely understand Jojolion so (for the sake of the argument) Wonder of U did put the rock disease on Johnny. Even THEN Wonder of U didn't kill him, Les Feuilles did, by teleporting the boulder onto Johnny's head shortly after it's creation. Wonder of U is *almost* invincible, but spin counters him completely, with Tusk Act 4 being the MOST INTERTWINED WITH SPIN A STAND COULD BE (excluding Ball Breaker).
TLDR: That's not how that works, read better.
@@minecraftperson8412 im not reading allat fr
@@epic-gamer57 expected as much
@@minecraftperson8412I think star platinum is the strongest stand
The logic in ger makes sense imo because he reverts time to the point where diavolo never gets to erase time which is an action, and therefore ger can revert it
I really like your content keep it up
Debunk the over wank bleach characters
Mfs really think they are 5D and that normal soul reapers are 4D. Also are the bleach light novels canon bc thats were most ppl get their scaling/arguments from
Bleach is like 4 to 5d at best
And the novels ARE Absolute
Bruh Giorno is op af believe it. My man beating goku
Abilities
Gold Experience Requiem is a close-range Requiem Stand that boasts an incredible increase in both speed and power compared to its previous form and it can't be compared to normal stand stats. Created by the Arrow and born from Giorno's intense desire to defeat King Crimson and exact revenge on Diavolo, it wields the arcane power of reverting anything to "zero", effectively undoing their actions; a power that even triumphs over the time erasure/nullification ability of King Crimson.
Gold Experience Requiem is powerful enough as a Stand that it permits Giorno to levitate with it.
Due to its increased power, Gold Experience Requiem has the ability to fire a stone fast enough that it ceases to be visible to the human eye, and has enough power behind it to penetrate through a hand and destroy part of a building. However, in the manga, GER generated a beam made of pure life energy.
Death Loop
If the opponent is killed by Gold Experience Requiem, then they will continuously experience death, as they will die but repeatedly return to point "zero"; the point immediately before the process of death (i.e Diavolo's infinite death loops). Through this ability, GER creates a new "reality", as it calls it, for Diavolo as a form of poetic justice for the multiple times the mob boss has manipulated reality to his advantage with King Crimson.
Return To Zero
Gold Experience Requiem's ultimate ability is to revert all actions and willpower back to the state of "zero", completely nullifying them and preventing them from becoming "real". For simplicity’s sake, it’s comparable to performing Ctrl-Z (undo), completely denying any causality. This can be seen as a direct opposite to King Crimson. As instead of undoing the act and leaving the effect like King Crimson does, Gold Experience Requiem removes the effect from the cause.
*"This is Requiem. What you're seeing is indeed the truth. You are seeing the comments created by your video, but you will never arrive at the truth that is going to happen. None who stand before me shall ever get there, regardless of their abilities This is the power of Gold Experience Requiem. This is unknown even to Giorno Giovanna, who controls me."*
Finally someone who understands that Giorno ain't that big of a deal
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Nah he’s still up there just not as much as we thought
He is a fraud bro
Gojo’s victim
Tf is a Gojo
@@geekyk4408Jujutsu Kaisen character
@@MayIHoldThem giorno negs
@@geekyk4408 fax
Tbh base Giorno is Dio victim but still shinra solos the verse tho 🐿️
so this ultimately means The World and Star Platinum can defeat GER with ease because it's a reactive ability, and only defeated King Crimson because "time erasure" still makes the time flow except no one remembers what happened during the "time erasure"
Giorno was fated TO die there
That in itself debunks the reactive bullshit
@@Inedow_The_Source_of_Racism that doesnt debunk anything, epitaph doesn't account the abilities that can change your movements or will, if diavolo didn't get RTZ'd he WOULD have had ripped Giorno's heart as shown in the epitaph
@@boki2597 Thats never stated headcanon
Epitaph Sees whats fated TO happen and ger defied and said Fuck you to fate
@@Inedow_The_Source_of_Racism very well then, lets see if he can defy fate when he cant frickin function in ts
@@boki2597 *Gilgamesh laughter*
He will revert them after ts ends
Bro i hate to breake it to u but diavolo doesnt make giorno immesurable but pucci
King crimson does erase time… he’s erasing time that actions exist…it’s how Bruno punched himself and why he was confused on how he punched himself because the action(the time it took placed)of him walking around the pillar and attacking diavolo was erased..this it self doesn’t just happens to diavolo or the target but the world around diavolo and the target as well…meaning it’s a universal skip in time…example: mista bullets being redirected within the time erase…
Also you mentioned that king crimson doesn’t erase time because of ger still being able to revert an action even though it was erased… jojo is an anime meaning it makes up its own logic like how time is a man made concept… if you were to travel back into the past let’s say a 1min the past version of yourself will travel back into the past creating loop..now if the current you travel into the future right after you traveled to the past the past you who traveled to the past will still travel to the future..why is that?because it’s fated
If you were fated to do those actions no matter what point in time it is you are still going to do those actions…there’s to much to explain and I’m finna eat so💀I’ll just leave it at that
Oddly enough no one is talking about this and how time in a lot if not most anime including jojo works like a physical force/concept like gravity and magnetism.
Fate in itself is defined as a development of events.
Time defined as a progress of existence and events through points of time.
Destiny being events that are necessary to happen.
Yet fate/destiny remains unchanged even with the manipulation/alteration of time.Hell,not even the reset of the universe changed it,nor did knowledge of the future.
King crimson itself only delayed it with time erasure/skip.And every other stand/individual that tried changing fate had a negative outcome and it still came true,both as a technicality and in actuality.
Yet ger over here completely deviates from epitaph's prediction without a technicality occuring nor delaying it(diavolo was shown in the vision and he's dead/bfr'd)
So ger does have some form of fate nullification/transcendence.Which is also consistent narratively since ger is the polar opposite of kc,kc having the ability to remove the cause from the effect(through time,not in actuality) and to see the future/set in stone fate(thematically).So the opposite would be to remove the effect from cause on the conceptual level/higher level(It overrided time erase).And to be unbound by fate.
This also makes sense in terms of mechanics since Rtz clashing with epitaph would simply cause a loop as he reverts his actions only to have it happen again and again due to fate.
@@helpicantfindanotheruserna8035 your not completely wrong..the whole part 5 was built around fate… and how king crimson had the power to see into the future which showed what was fate… if fate like you say stayed unchanged then Giorno dying shown by king crimson would of been true..since it’s a cannon event it was fated but ger goes above time…. And Fate itself…it’s completely unaffected..and you can’t say that it’s because he used revert to zero when reading the future doesn’t cause harm to a person but the action itself
@@helpicantfindanotheruserna8035 what I am saying is that time erase actually erases time because of the fact that time is actually being erased in a universal range…the guy in this video completely ignores the fact that to get to point b you have to travel through point A there’s going to be space between…King crimson completely erases that space between with interacting with other objects…like I said it’s why Bruno was so confused when he first fought diavolo because his actions where fated to happen but diavolo have the ability to erase the course of what happens in between he’s just erasing the arrival time of when it will happen…and we also know that king crimson time erase is a infinite void which only king crimson can move and be aware in…the fact that ger is able to activate an ability in that void that diavolo is only to move in also proves that ger has these speeds…also remember that ger rtz only activates when in harms way… time erase doesn’t harm him
GER? More like Stinky ayoooo
Still solos DB verse 😌
I didn’t know the DB verse was less than building level.
Since his credibility goes out the window after the ger isnt passive statement debunk is pretty bad
So yeah he dlams dbs
@@Inedow_The_Source_of_Racism I didn't know Db characters were building lvl
YES THE GIORNO AGENDA STOPS THIS YEAR
We need more Jorno or GER hater, so JJBA dumb community could stop saying GER is the strongest
Trust me, only anime only or jojotards say that bs, basically 40% of the community or less
Jjba community is kind of smart if we exclude the so called ger "debunks"
@@pulverizator293 what makes it bs?
Gers cool and all but he ain't all that
Bro brought up goku fans but didn’t bring up opm Stan’s💀 they are terrible
As crazy as they are, they’re still not as bad surprisingly. You should see the stuff I have to deal with in regards to Goku fans lol
@@KosuSama lol although opm Stan’s tend to take something out of nothing such as jumping around a small moon makes him have infinite speed💀 same with his power which is infinite potential not infinite all stats it gets tiring debating with them cuz all they say is opm negs verse cuz infinite everything💀
@@needacharger3054 tbh thats still better than using a sticker book to say goku is outerversal 🤣
Quite literally anything saitama stans come up with ...goku stans have already done it and then some
@@onenationarmy3964 wait… what Sticker book?
@@user153xhzbso8e I do believe goku beats saitama for the soul basis of saitama having zero feats and knowing how his power works, goku is a complex multi being at least that’s what I believe he is via daizenshu scans of universe 7.
Thank god i hated all the giorno meat riders like giorno himself was their daddy
many false info in this video
No bro, thats so dumb
This is amazing facts
Also
Goku fans and saitama are both annoying fans but jojo fans take it to the max
Joker, goku, saitama > all jojo
D4C - Love Train
@@JustGoldy77what?
Look the ability up
@@JustGoldy77 I know what the ability does, I just want your reasoning.
Yknow like even valentine who is like 7th on verse beats goku times saitama
Soo… Jotaro time stops and one shots.
Absolutely not. Return to Zero do be a thing lmfao
@@FatherLucid Why would GER have the capacity to be aware and activate it during time stop? On top of that, with Time Stop being stated the strongest ability in history after part 5, why would RTZ even overcome?
@@koolio_tt
1. Return to Zero isn't contigent on GER's conscious imput so that is irrelevant
2. If you want to use that reasoning, in JOJOVELLER, which came after part 7, Return to Zero was called the ultimate ability
3. Time Stop objectively isn't the ultimate ability as other time stop users and gravity manipulators can easily bypass it, therefore making this an outlier statement
Fax, Giorno is fodder
Absolutely not lmfao
fun ffact: most of us jojo fans says that giorno is that and this just piss the dbz, naruto and one piece fans (and it works most of the times youre the prove)
L take
L comment
Major W comment he lost credability the second he said rtz is not passive