Why The 90s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles HAD To Change
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2022
- The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have been entertainment icons ever since the original comics made their debut. Through countless comics, tv shows, and movies, the Heroes in a Half Shell have seen many different iterations. None more drastic than the tonal change between their first few live action movies. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles continue to push themselves into new territory, but it makes you wonder how they would have been perceived if they followed the tone of the original TMNT movie.
#TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles #TMNT #Nerdstalgic
Written by Chris Teregis
Edited by David Sadvari - Розваги
I still enjoy the first movie. Darker and grittier than any of it's counterparts. Shredder, Raphael and Splinter were great performances. Oh, and Casey Jones too. Great movie.
The movie was actually fairly close to the original comic's story, though it was more lighthearted and Leonardo was the one that got beat up by the Foot
@@ranwolf7650 The other diffrences i seen between the first movie and the original comic by mirage are small things like April O'neil being a TV reporter insted of Baxter Stockman's lab assistant that found out his plans to rab banks with the mousers, Shredder wanting to kill Hamato Yoshi and his wife out of revenge for his older brother's death, Raphael and Casey Jones pauseing there fight in the park to stop a robbery then getting along while kicking some ass
That film is forever burned into my memory. I must have watched it a hundred times as a kid. I still quote Jones and Raph to this day.
@@YuKheThai When I was about 8 years old I wet my hair so I looked like Casey Jones. Ha. Confused my Mum. But yeah, same boat as you. I can remember every bit of music and every word spoken.
@@ranwolf7650 as a kid, I loved all 3 movies. But looking back on it as an adult now the first movie was the only good one
I recently watched the first TMNT movie, gotta say impressed in how good it was. Impressive fight scenes, great characterisation, a unique comic style and not afraid to get dark and mature either. Definitely still holds up to this day.
Now there's a person with integrity
The best one.
@wnc817 You thought the movie was cringe-worthy but not the cartoon?
Yes that's the movie I like not the one with Megan fox on it. I grew up to the first movie movie eventhough it released a decade ago.
Good on set production is nuts in 4k
The costumes and darker visual aesthetic stands the test of time amazingly well for a movie of that era
On movie anyway. The actual prop costumes have famously deteriorated quite spectacularly, and rather scarily. The turtles look like contorted zombies now funny enough.
Quibble: the secret of the ooze in the second film was that it was produced by TGRI-hence the scene of Splinter putting the two pieces of the broken cannister together for the turtles.
It may be underwhelming, but it's there.
So that’s what the 2 means! Your right as quibbles go that was underwhelming
The REAL "Secret of the Ooze" was going to originally be that it was accidentally made by the Utrom at TCRI, with the Professor at the end of the movie revealing he was an Utrom by opening his shirt to the camera while holding the Ooze canister in the club, which would explain why the Professor vanished into thin air for the rest of the film along with the TCRI building after the club scene, because he and the other Utroms teleported back home. This would be far closer to the story in the comics.
But, it was deemed too expensive and technologically impossible to make an Utrom Henson puppet in the stomach of an actor plus there would be no lead up to it leaving the audience in the dark and bewildered about the Utrom reveal, so when they axed the whole Utrom thing, they changed the building from "TCRI" to "TGRI" and made the Professor just a regular human with no real explanation for the Ooze or where the Professor and the building went..
They went wrong when they listened to parents who said the first one was too violent, even though it's extremely mild compared to most MCU movies now.
What’s mind boggling is that it seems they chose to listen to the small handful of outraged parents rather than the multi-millions of them that made it a hit film. I mean kids aren’t buying those VHS tapes.
@@TalentCaldwell this has always been the way its been- for whatever reason people in executive positions listen to these minority outrage groups thinking theyre losing potential income- and then it ruins their next few projects and never learn that theyre hampering their own projects.
@@36inc And guess what? even the parents complain again in the second movie because the ninja turtles are too “annoying” These parents don't know what they want.
This was violent for the 90s but it was cool.
parents in the 90s were sensitive and outraged with anything. was easy to shelter kids before the internet. things are so much more extreme now. 90s parents would go crazy if they even saw the word WEED and would put it in the same group as crack or meth. they thought eminem was the antichrist and boycotted him because of his rap lyrics, which are nothing now lol
Loved these movies as a kid, it’s how I got into the TMNT franchise. Although they dropped in quality with each movie, I still find value in all three of them!
It's like having sex with an ugly chick... it's not the best, but it's still enjoyable !!!
I'm still wondering who were the turtles in the scrolls in the third one where they time travel
@@motelmicrowave They were these 4 turtles... The scroll had them in it because they were the ones who went back in time... Fun fact, Borderlands 2 has a Ninja Turtles mission
@@Haywood-Jablomie so in when those turtles are older they travel even further back in time?
@@motelmicrowave Yeah, it's a bit of a plot screw up. There was an interview when one of the producers or writers said that they thought it would be a cool idea to have it look like the Ninja Turtles influenced the past, but then when you look at it from the perspective of the Japanese people already knowing about the kappa that looked like the Ninja Turtles, it kind of falls apart. so I know exactly what you mean, I think it was just a goof on the part of the writers or something.
No, it didnt need to change. I grew up watching it and they were fantastic, i watch them nearly once a year and theyre still amazing and frankly i think stuff like this is needed in the industry.
This should actually serve as a lesson for all studios. Dont pander, dont try to hit all demographics, stick to original source material, and sell it to the fans.
Yeppers
Exactly. Instead of listening to all the pearl clutchers out there, they should have been listening to their fanbase. The people spending money on your creations are the only people who matter.
I totally get it, but the reality is that when I was a child, I MUCH preferred TMNT 2. It wasn't until I went back and watched them last year for the first time since childhood that I realized that the first film is literally a fucking masterpiece of cinema, and Secret Of The Ooze is absolute garbage.
They were selling to kids, and making it kid friendly was a no brainer business decision at the time.
@@BlottaMcTablets And yet it didnt make even half as much money as the first one.
@@ska4dragons of course we know that now, but how were they supposed to predict that back then? Turtles toy sales were into the hundreds of millions and the cartoon was wildly popular.
I mean, it's even in the name. Who thinks teenagers are cool? Not adults. Not teenagers. Kids.
If the IP was ever meant to be marketed towards anything but kids, they went with the wrong name in the first place.
As a kid, I loved Secret of the Ooze more. As an adult, I prefer the first one and think that one aged better.
WTF so you got old.. I'm still a toys r us kid lolzz hmmm
I still thinkTMNT 2 better than the first. Most of the comments on here are people saying that they loved the 2nd movie better (e.g., your comment), but this video seems to suggest the 2nd movie was a flop.
same here!
@@supersayan6318 oh yea, I remember, EVERY time we went to rent movies, I would get it and watch it a bunch.. im surprised my parents just didnt buy it for me. We had the first movie. But yea, literally every week went to the local movie store and rented it.
@@supersayan6318It wasn’t a flop, it was just clearly geared towards children. The Turtles didn’t even really use their weapons in it. The movie opens with Donny pretending to be a toy clown and tickling a dude. I prefer the darker, grittier one for sure.
I was 10 when the original movie came out and LOVED how dark and gritty it was. They made something as absurd as ninja turtles somehow seem realistic and it still had enough of the turtles' character to not be foreign to someone into the cartoon either. It was the perfect balance and I hated the way the turtles looked and acted in the 2nd one. It wasn't necessary to retone it for kids. It still actually holds up fairly well too.
I’m gonna keep it real: As a kid of the 90’s “The Ooze” is my favorite. As an adult, I can honestly say that first film is a better movie but “The Ooze” will always put me in a great mood and take me back to the days of my childhood.
And yes, Tokka and Razor should’ve been Bebop and Rocksteady.
you mean teenage mutant ninja turtles 2 the secret of the ooze. thats its proper name
its not called the ooze
And they should of brought in krang in 2 or 3 if they would of made 3 better
TMNT 2 was funny. It had a decent script full of good laughs. I have to give it that.
Yes part 2 was funny but Leo didn't even use his sword. I mean, C'mon!
Yep. First one was always the best representation period.
The fact that it was also the last film Jim Henson worked on is really crazy too. Splinter looks amazing and is just a puppet, no animatronics used for him
As a kid the original was always my favorite and as an adult I appreciate this film even more. This is the best adaptation of a live action TMNT film. The cast was perfect and it found a middle ground between the cartoon and comic book. I wish the sequels would've maintained the same tone.. we could've explored Krang and the ooze...told a better story.
The up-to-date movie lost me once I saw Megan Fox casted as April O’Neill
The first film by Jim Henson was a true masterpiece. The original comic was brilliant. The original games and cartoon series...it all worked so incredibly well. That first film... We honestly haven't seen them since...and I miss them.
Check out the latest graphic novel, The Last Ronin
The 1st NES game didn't make sense to me. TMNT2 was an amazing game.
In an era of Tobey's Spider-Man and Michael Keaton's Batman coming back, I really think it would work if they just made a straight up sequel to the 90s films, essentially disregarding II and III and keeping the aesthetic of the first film.
You're totally right
Would it be a period piece set in the early nineties after the first film, or a modern day sequel set thirty years later? Because I'm not sure I want to see Middle-aged Mutant Ninja Turtles dealing with adult problems and going through a midlife crisis.
How about a tmnt batman crossover?
I cant say disregard 2, its good enough on its own steam. 3 yeah... yeah we can... we can all get by without 3
@@lanceturley7745 I mean, that might not be the worst thing. In the comics, the side story The Last Ronin, is one of the more popular stories going on right now and they're in their 40s at least.
Apart from the first film I have to give credit to one other special TMNT moment on the big screen. That being the rooftop fight between Leo and Raph in the 2007 CGI film. It perfectly captured the relationship between the two. The film wasn't much as a whole, but that interaction & fight sequence really hit home.
In all honesty as a kid I loved TMNT 2. In fact I watched the original film in me late teens or something. So if you keep in mind that the 2nd film was made for kids, they pretty much did their job… critics and adult audience aside. Of course it’s not comparable to the original but I still love “the secret of the ooze” for nostalgia sake
I still enjoy the movies and the practical effects of them. Would love to see these kinds of effects make a return in films instead of straight CGI all the time.
Just digitally remove the faces from the inside of the mouth! XD
It can be both CGI and practical, it doesn't have to be either/or.
@@realityshifter3399 Or why not use CGI on comic book accuracy in suits?
Practical effects aren't always practical, nor are they superior.
Josh Pais has gone on record in multiple interviews saying that he didn’t return to the second movie because he didn’t want to get pigeon holed as a “costume/creature actor”
He also stated that he does not suffer from claustrophobia. The suits were uncomfortable and challenging to everyone that wore them.
Thank you. It was frustrating to see all the inaccuracies in this.
Judith Hoag was fired because she complained about the horrible conditions for the costume actors. She very freely states this.
I was 7 years old when the movie came out and words cannot describe how excited we were. It was the only thing on every boys mind. My family was kind of struggling for money at the time but I still was able to get 2 of the action figures to play with. It makes me cry a little because I still remember how happy I was to play with them.
the original was the first movie i saw in a theatre as a kid and still to this day im a movie goer but nothing compares to the original 1990 turtles. avatar and the matrix are my 2nd and 3rd favorite
As a kid, I loved the 2nd movie so much! Now in my thirties, I find that I love the gritty atmosphere, acting and costumes of the first one a lot more!
Same but you can’t deny when you hear ninja rap you still know the words lol.
I liked the 3rd as kid because I loved the whole samurai thing they did. But now I really love and appreciate the original a lot more.
Same. As a kid, didn’t care for the first one but loved the second one. As an adult, I still love the second one but now I enjoy the first one given it’s atmosphere.
"Thirties" isn't in age group. There's late 20s/early 30s, mid 30s, late 30s/early 40s.
Gosh mister you old
The original TMNT still stands up. That bathtub scene 😭😭😭
I love the first movie but I really love the second movie too. I think the humor is hilarious actually. Even the opening scene where he tries a pickup like and she shoots him down with a “in your dreams player” he has the perfect response “ok but when I do I will dream of someone a little bit thinner.” Is hilarious but would never happen in a movie today haha. Then my favorite joke is the combat cold cuts and “next time I’ll use mustard.” I get it I love the darker grittier stuff too and prefer real weapons to this dance cinematography and choreography but it’s still my favorite joke in the entire movie. Even splinter is funny at the end of the movie, “where you seen?” “Of course not master as ninja we practice the art of invisibility.” And he pulls out the newspaper with them on it, “practice harder.” Is funny. And the ninja rap is a cult classic and a one hit wonder. Great memories
If they kept the second movie a little bit darker and more cinematic, and kept the funny jokes and music it might have been the ultimate masterpiece
The first movie was and still is the best. As a kid I loved the fact that the film was more rel and gritty.
TMNT 1990 is honestly in my Top 10 favorite movies I love everything about that film and can rewatch it anytime.
Secret of the ooze is more a nostalgic fun ride, with knockoff Bebop & Rocksteady and of course the Ninja Rap which me and friends will always get hype to just for old times sake lmao
TMNT 3 tho, oof
Ok i agree with everything except for your opinion on the 3rd film. I grew up binging that movie. The setting was so epic. . .the staff was an awesome idea and spoke to my imagination as a kid. I think i also related to that kid they were friends with in the village.
Bro, same feelings with TMNT 1990. Literally the first film I ever saw in the theatre, and it still holds up today
me too i watched it 10 times
am i the only one who hates tmnt 4 more than 3
@@gamedrop3262 3 was great. Only movie I didn't like was 1. Bored me
Nothing beats the first movie! It will always be one of my favorites. Watched it when I was a kid, and it did not disturb me at all as the media claimed. I loved the characterization and the dark and mature tones of the movie.
Same I was 3 when the first movie came out lol... Loved it the 2nd one came out and I wasn't a big fan... and the 3rd movie couldn't stand it. Love the turtles tho sadly we only ever got 1 good movie with the 2nd one being OK IMO.
the original karen must have complained about the movie
@@tommykaira8775ZACTLY, SAME PRIMORDIAL KAREN DID A NUMBER ON TIM BURTON'S 3RD BATMAN
Same. I did like the 2nd movie as well but I was just a kid when these movies came out. Looking back on the two movies now it's obvious that the 1st is a cinematic cult classic. a masterwork and the second movie is fun and entertaining at least.
I still enjoy the first movie. I saw in theaters when I was 6 years old and I am glad my parents weren't the psycho's who boycott it. It was the first movie I ever saw in theaters. Good times. Also, you are right about the current line of Turtle comics. Since the current run started about 10 years ago, it's been a great read!
I was 8. This movie was not disturbing at all I loved it !! I didn’t see it as violent and mother did my parents.
My mom took me when I was 3 lol fell asleep but she got it for me on VHS and I watched it literally 24/7 hell my mom got me Sega with mortal kombat 1 and 2 when I was like 4-5 my mom didn't care because she knew I knew they were just movies and games. A lot of my friends parents wouldn't let them play MK but we did when they came to my house lmao. Growing up in the 90s was seriously the best decaded for tv, toys and movies for kids.
Same here, I was a Turtles fanatic and when I saw the first commercial for the movie on TV I turned to my dad who was sitting behind me and just said "We're going to go see that." There was no question, there was no negotiating it was just a known fact.
Agreed on thoughts of first film. I remember seeing it debut in the theater when I was 7 years old. I immediately fell in love with it. And, even when rewatching it as an adult, I am struck by how much I can still enjoy it. That is not necessarily the case for every film enjoyed as a child. That speaks to the quality of the film. It was truly a timeless classic.
My dad told me he hated the cartoon, because he said the comic was really raw and hard-core (idk for a fact, never read it). And he said he remembers waiting for it to come out, to see it on a Saturday morning, where at the end, he turned off the TV in silence, because he felt like they sold out. Idk how true it was to the comics or not, but it always makes me laugh thinking about it.
oh trust me. . its not even close broski
The 2000's cartoon was pretty cool, but your dad is right. The comic version has literally never been adapted in any other media form, not even any sort of shorts or animated movies
Oh it's absolutely true, if I recall right not even the creators cared for it, but it was doing the job in introducing an audience to the TMNT especially because of the catchy intro song. But yeah if you haven't you ought to introduce to him if he hasn't already the 2003 TMNT as that is the one the creators do feel like matches their vision of the turtles the closest. It's on Paramount+.
@@SonicLegends huh, I have paramount+. Maybe I'll show it to him. Thanks!
@@SicSemperBeats actually the TMNT cartoon from 2003 matches pretty well with the comics, It’s the best animated adaptation of TMNT in my opinion :)
The first movie is a classic, made by people who were serious about adapting the early Mirage comics. Steve Barron pulled most of the scenes directly from the comics, often nearly verbatim. While they worked in elements of the cartoon, they didn't overdo the silliness, and even made creative use of the cartoon elements, such as April's stories as a reporter making her a target of the Foot Clan. For the most part, it's a serious comic book adaptation, and it's shot in appropriately gritty style. After that, they started making movies strictly for kids, that felt WAY more like the cartoon.
By the second movie, it doesn't even feel like the same New York. It genuinely looks like a pizza commercial...not the dirty, crime infested NYC we saw in the first movie. Honestly, Secret of the Ooze was so rushed that it just copies most of the beats from the original...but badly. Like Keno. Ernie was great as Don's fight double, but they gave him nothing to work with aa Keno. Danny had a great arc throughout the first movie, where he learned important lessons. Keno has no arc at all...he's a twerp who doesn't listen to anyone, talks back to Splinter, learns NOTHING, then pretends to have learned some undefined lesson at the end. The Turtles are essentially not allowed to use their weapons, which they carry around just for show, I guess. Add a dash of Vanilla Ice, and you've got a sequel that ages like milk.
The third movie is an abomination. The de-evolution of the Turtle suits speaks for itself, and Splinter is basically a glorified hand puppet with a horrifically clapping Chucky Cheese mouth. When Casey enters the lair, the whole thing looks so much like a sitcom that I expect to hear the studio audience cheering. And that's just the start of the movie. It goes on...and on...and gets worse...and worse.
Incredible that they captured lightning in a bottle the very first time out, and made a perfect TMNT film that stands the year of time, and have never even come close in the three decades since.
I will never understand people who write full on essays for a comment.. Like why? Who actually reads it? 😂😂 Anyway sorry not trying to hate, just had to say something loll
The first live action movie was the only iteration of TMNT that took itself seriously as adult entertainment.
There have been other examples that did their best to remain true to the source material, but always were handicaped as childrens entertainment.
It would be nice to get a true live action adaptation movie, that both took itself serious, was faithful to the source material and was not aimed strictly at children.
But I doubt that will ever come to pass in my lifetime.
Who knows, maybe when it goes public domain in the distant future though?
Great video
Entertaining analysis!
I think the best part of TMNT is how there is a version each and every single generation can enjoy
Exactly, I would love it if a new version of TMNT was seamless combination of 2012 TMNT, Rise of the TMNT, IDW TMNT comics, 1987 TMNT, and original black and white TMNT comics making as universal as possible.
@@realityshifter3399 2003 turtles: What about us?
@@sonicmanic2556 Isn't the 2003 Turtles an extension to the original black and white comics?
@@realityshifter3399 Not really sure. I haven't really read the comics but based on how they were in turtles forever, the '03 turtles don't seem to be exactly like the mirage group. They're like inspired by them while still feeling like their own variations.
@@sonicmanic2556 No, they aren't exactly alike but 03 Turtles was produced by Mirage studios and Peter Laird was heavily involved in the show.
Fun fact: Ernie Reyes Jr., who played Keno in Turtles 2, was the suit actor for Donatello's fight scenes in Turtles 1.
I'm still astonished by how overlooked the original comics are in the whole TMNT phenomenon. "Violent & gritty," definitely, & some of the best comics of the late 80's.
When I was a kid, seeing the 2nd film, I was just glad to see them all back on the big screen again and even with enhanced costumes that had better facial animatronics. The orginal is the original though. Nothing replaces it's realness! It's like the original Star Wars Trilogy vs the Prequels.
The first film is a classic and perfect portrayal. They didn't need to change, they just needed better writers 💯
still Num chuk Sausages
@@AMPProf OK kid
They listened to the vocal minority sadly. It's not much different today shockingly.
@@crystalwater505 yup a minority of progressive, privileged, upper-class white women.. as usual.
We will probably never get a movie as good as the 1990 movie again for one simple reason, it was already perfect. It had the perfect storyline, the perfect atmosphere, the perfect soundtrack, the perfect casting. There is almost nothing to improve upon. Maybe they could do another darker more grounded take, but it's going to be difficult, and now that Nickelodeon owns the rights it is extremely unlikely that they ever go into this direction again, unfortunately.
That being said, despite its shortcomings, Secret of the Ooze is still the second best TMNT movie and I still think it's a lot of fun when you take it for what it is. That intro sequence with the Turtles arriving and jumping into the air, I still get goosebumps.
And yes, as a kid, it was my favorite movie. As an adult, I obviously see how the first one is way better. But there is still a lot of stuff I like in the second one. (I also should mention that I watched these dubbed into German when I was a kid, and they got all the voice actors back in the German version, so it's probably less jarring compared to the original)
The third movie however is just terrible.
TMNT 1990 was perfect, because it combined best parts of comics and cartoons. Cartoons were really good - but only the first season. TMNT 1990 followed the dark atmosphere of that first season, without going caricaturely grim dark version of the comics, and without going cheesy & campy version of the later seasons.
If they actually went back and adapted more elements of the comics the movies haven't touched yet (April being a scientist under Baxter, Purple Dragons, and Mousers) then it could be surpassed. But instead they either don't introduce elements well like the 2007 movie or introduce too many too soon like the reboots
I liked the the first one as a kid a lot more. I didnt like the turlte costumes in the 2nd ones, I dint like the voice changes, I didnt like the new April Oniell and lack of Casey Jones.. I HATED the fact that Leo and Raph NEVER used their weapons, not even once. And I really just thought the 2nd one was super cheesy. I still liked it, but even as a kid at 8 years old, I could tell how much better the 1st one was. I remember just how cool I thought that Foot Clan warehouse was with the skate ramps and arcade and also how cool it was to have an underground sewer bunker. The only part of the 2nd one I really liked was them finding the abandoned subway station and living there.
They could improve it by fixing Splinter's origin story. He wasn't a rat that learned ninjutsu, he was a human that was a part of the Foot clan before it became criminal. He turned into a rat because he was forced to live in the sewers when he came into contact with the Ooze.
@@leebard9335 But in the original comics, yes he was a pet rat that learned ninjitsu from mimicking Hamato Yoshi before being mutated. But most of the cartoons aside from the 4Kids one use the backstory of Yoshi being transformed into a mutant rat and most people prefer that backstory because it makes more sense
Nice! Well said 💚
Both 1 and 2 were great. The characters looked so realistic.
The original 1990 will forever be one of my favourite comic book movies, Top 10 for sure just so nostalgic and awesome 🍕🐢
After reading the original storyline, I figured the first TMNT movie has got to be the best comic adaptation ever, still today. They really used the source material well, all the way down to Donatello and Casey jones repairing the van and calling each other names alphabetically. Gackface, hosebrain!!
Great scene.
Zip neck
Atomic mouth
Barfarooni
Camel breath
Dome head
Elf lips
Funkoid
And the two you mentioned.
That first movie is still one of the best movies I’ve ever seen. It’s soooooo good. “Freak?!?!! Freak!?!?” “Come back here! I’m not finished with you! DAMMMMMMMMMNNN!!!” I still get goosebumps. Rafael’s voice acting is TOP NOTCH. TMNT is my childhood.
The first movie is still one of my top 3 all time favorites. Instantly loved it when I was a kid. The sequels seemed so low brow and weird.
That first TMNT movie is a really good balance between being a film for kids and a film for teens/adults. It’s basically a movie for adults that doesn’t exclude kids from its audience.
Never ceases to amaze me that they got more out of a shoestring budget and rubber suits than Michael bay did with a modern blockbuster budget and cutting edge cgi
I remember seeing it on cable back in the day. Seeing the live action turtles in the early 90s as a kid was incredible, pure movie magic.
I love the New York in the first one. It looks run down, trash everywhere and an overall dark feeling. In the second one it just looked like regular New York.
Another big issue is that, for TMNT2, the turtles weren't allowed to use their weapons, which was the main issue for a lot of parent groups' criticisms after its release. When it was released in the UK, they actually edited out the use of nunchucks, including Mike's stand off in the apartment. From my understanding, Judith Hoag was also very vocal about the use of weapons, demanding they be removed, which influenced the studio's decision to replace her. Then they eliminated fighting with weapons anyway.
I thought I was the only one who remembered all of that....yeah there was a steady diet of sensorship after the first movie....that's why they used yo-yo's and balloons and other things around the area.... the weapons never left their shells
@@kirkmcra3- funny enough. using yo-yos and found objects as weapons is actually a WORSE example for kids.
Secret of the Ooze is goofy but it's still a pretty fun watch. Third one sucks though. Not sure why you thought the secret wasn't explained in Secret of the Ooze, isn't the secret that it mutated the turtles and Splinter?
That's actually explained in a flashback in the first movie when Splinter is detailing the turtles' origins to April. The only thing you learn about the ooze in the sequel is who made it and where it came from, which was a dude in a lab and from some generic company. The movie should have been called Origin of The Ooze. A secret entails some sort of grand revelation, like it came from Dimension X or something.
Everyone already knew that.
…. which would have been a perfect segway into a third movie featuring Krang
The secret was supposed to be that the ooze was created by an alien race, just as it was in the comics. And while the third film is not exactly better than the second one, it's really not any worse, either. It tried to adapt the time travel scepter storyline from the comics, but it took out all of the more fantastical characters and elements associated with that arc. It's as if the sequels were afraid to get as "comic booky" as the source material demanded, even as they desperately tried (and failed) to capture the wackier tone of the animated series.
@@MAMoreno the second film was supposed to end on a cliffhanger and it was going to be revealed that David Warner’s character was an utrom and Krang was to make his debut in the third film.
As a fan of the original cartoon series, I quite enjoyed the recent TMNT films. Seeing Beebop, Rocksteady, and Krang in a live-action TMNT movie after 26 years of patiently waiting was a childhood wish of mine come true.
Despite it's flaws, I LOVE Secret of the Ooze. All the clips you used made me laugh and want to watch it again.
I remember me and my brother used to play the video game at the arcade.
TMNT 2007 actually feels like a proper follow up to the 1990 film. Its gritty and lived in yet fun and it expands upon the relationship between raph and leo that was set up
I think that's the sequel to the 2003 show. I'm just guessing though.
@@astarteswillum5259 don't think it is. TMNT has references to the live action 90s films and continuity wise it wouldnt fit in 2003s timeline
Agreed. I didn't care much for the overarching story of the monster catching and all that, but I very much enjoyed the personal dynamics in the movie and the rooftop fight scene was great.
The 2014 TMNT also had a bit of fun too, despite being shit
I didn't hate 2007 TMNT but I didn't exactly love it either.
At 5:21 that seems to be Savage Dragon merchandise. They had a crossover before but still from different companies.
Do you have a link for background song starting at 2:35 please ..?
No one talks about the 2007 TMNT movie, tho. Chris Evan, James Arnold Taylor, and THE Nolan North all did an excellent job.
It a meh movie. Not the worst, not the best just mostly forgettable.
@@brandonspain12345 Yeah, I literally forget what happened. All I remember is some cool scenes jumping from rooftops. Visually cool, but nothing memorable aside from that.
@@charliericker274 Right. I mostly remember them jumping on rooftops and the end credit songs for being so damn catchy. I think maybe because it had ugly colors. Greys, greens, teals, yellows, and browns colors. (The 1990 movie was stylistically dark but it still had color.) The human characters looked ugly as hell, and the villains were so bland. Like you have a huge series of great villains from the show, toys and comics and we get bland stone soldiers and generic 13 monsters. Yay?
@@brandonspain12345 It might not be the most well written movie, but it is very entertaining nonetheless.
Been a long time viewer and I can’t express how perfectly you nailed this video! I’m a tmnt super fan, currently binge reading the idw run. Thanks this made my day
The thing that I realised recently, was how much this movie achieved in 90mins and it didn't feel rushed. I think that may have been typical for a lot of 90s movies.
compared to the 2-3+hour blockbusters now..
I liked the sequel enough as a kid, but the first one is a masterpiece.
10yr old me was confused why the film was so dark and serious like Batman 89 but I dug it! It got better with rewatches as I got older. Its a genuinely good film. Even as a Kid, I could tell the next 2 were poor, but I didn't notice they didn't use their weapons!!
Secret of The Ooze isn't poor.
Same here, as a Kid I could tell the 2nd and 3rd movies were a huge downgrade from the first.
Clear example of don't fix what ain't broke. Children get older & will appreciate it if the film was kept more serious.
All 3 films had it's perks, and I enjoyed them for different reasons. The reason I think #2 was more child-friendly was because I figured the turtles were less concerned about being exposed. They Foot were defeated and they could relax. It was just a, shall I say, happier time for them, and it showed in their character. They could let loose, goof off, and have fun for once.
Steve Barron was a damn hero for the first film. It's so grounded that the turtles feel like real people.
Second movie was fun, but more cartoonish
I remember buying a new TMNT action figure every weekend as allowance.. the good old days ❤️ the kids these days just don't understand how huge TMNT was and actually play outside with your action figures lol.
The first TMNT live action film has always been one of my all time favorite movies, all the raw emotion portrayed and the excellent action scenes make me come back to it ever so often.
Never did see the sequels or any of the reboots, and from what I hear I made the right choice.
The first TMNT film is definitely the best, but with that being said I have seen better interpretation of the TMNT franchise. The 2012 TMNT is still one best incarnations of the turtles in recent years.
The game, Shredder’s Revenge is the best thing to happen to TMNT since the original movie.
I liked the first 2 movies. I have seen them many times over the years as a teen and as an adult. I think I saw the 3rd one only once. I liked the new ones as well. But I like any movie that takes me out of normal life, and they all did. Sure the later ones are not great movie telling, but I still enjoy them for their action.
One of my favorite movies of all time is the first tmnt movie
It's amazing
I was a big fan of TMNT as a kid in the 90's. I had most of the cartoons on VHS, all three movies on VHS, lots of action figures, and an NES game. I rewatched the three movies with my wife about half a year ago and still enjoyed them, though perhaps part of the reason for that is the nostalgia it has for me. As far as all the new TMNT movies out there, based on the clips I've seen I hate how they made them look and don't consider them a genuine representation of how the turtles should actually be. I haven't watched any of the new stuff nor do I plan to. I think that the original three movies nailed their appearance perfectly.
I loved those movies still watch them every so often
The sound track was my first cd.
TMNT never went wrong. Those films were HUGE in the 90s. Nothing lasts forever, everything goes through phases.
I held this trilogy in high regard for a long time, but I made the mistake of watching them as an adult and the nostalgia goggles flew right off.
Ha!
I'd still say that the first holds up just fine. Pre MCU, I'd even say it's the best film adaptation of a comics property. 2 is fine, if goofy. 3 is JUST goofy.
The first one is still great especially that first scene with Raphael and Casey Jones
The first one is still a freaking masterpiece. The cinematography and score alone, man. Still holds up.
First two are freaking amazing! Even today I still watch them every now and then can’t say the same about the new ones.
Spot on!
Form a kickstarter for me as Director of the new franchise. I'll make it look like Sin City in black & white & have them all in Red Bandanas & make it Rated R. The only color you'll see is the Bandana's & the blood, with SOME of the special effects popping off from the combat (like sparks from the swords).
7:44 Yes it does.
Professor Perry (David Warner) explains it to the Turtles, right before he praises them. Fantastic 🙏🏽
But like where did the mutagen ooze came from? Early drafts explained that Professor Perry was actually a Utron in disguise with a brain creature controlling a robot (A la Kraang.) And it would've furthered explore the turtles being partly aliens where the third movie would've developed into more of that concept. (and there's even a brain in the middle of the lab scene. Further proving they were close to making that happen.) But now that was all taken out, we still don't know how the Ooze was produced and leaves a it a blank plot hole.
I recently watched the first movie with my nephews, who are 9 and 6.
We talked about the violence, and whether or not we thought the characters made the right decisions.
For example - when Raph got the ladies purse back, was it right for Casey Jones to keep following the thieves or should he have just called the cops?
We also talked about how the punching and kicking is just "dancing" and how no one got hurt.
Talk to your kids, people.
I assume if he called the cops they’d just go “So you got the stolen property back? Cool, why are you calling us? *click*”
Omg that sounded like a psa at the end of every mighty Morphin power rangers episode when i was growing up...i always assumed they had it for kids who were "special" or had parents who aren't raising their kids because who didn't know it was pretend. How society has devolved in the 30 yrs obv it was the the latter even then🥤👀
I always like to remind people that in real life everything Batman does is against the law. So don’t be like Batman.
LMAO
@@TalentCaldwell Such concerns during the Adam west’s era were dealt with with Batman and robin getting deputized in addition to the famous cliché camp jump cuts.
nice video.
The first one had the best intros of all of them too. I wasnt an adult at the time but I think that first one could be watched by both kids and adults
I feel like Michael Bay just wants to keep putting in Megan Fox into his films to attract an adult audience because of her appearance
She looks way different in real life than I thought she would, but not in a bad way.
Honestly it might just be nostalgia talking, but I absolutely love the 1990 TMNT movie. It’s by far the best adaptation we’ve gotten of the characters outside of the cartoons, and despite being quite goofy and filled to the brim with 90s cheese and references, it’s also quite gritty and grounded as well due to knowing when to be serious. And at its core it’s a story about the importance of family and why you shouldn’t take it for granted. It’s just a shame that due to the complaints of parents, they made the second film, while still enjoyable, far sillier and goofier in comparison. Compare the brutal beatdown between the Turtles and Shredder in the first film, where he dies at the end by falling into and being crushed from a trash compactor, to the sequel, where he turns into a giant version of himself and has somehow lost enough brain cells to make a bridge collapse onto him.
And then the third movie came along where it just felt like they stopped trying due to a dumb time travel plot.
I’m not a big fan of the Michael Bay TMNT movies either for reasons that’ve already been talked to death, so I’m just entirely hoping that the future Seth Rogen TMNT movie can finally do the Turtles justice again.
While filming the first movie, Donatello's stunt suit actor died while filming in Wilminton, NC. My father was working at the hosptial (Onslow Memorial) was working the night the actor was brought in for care. There was also an article about this in the Jacksonville Daily News. I remember being sad as hell.
1990's Ninja Turtles are SUPERIOR and PEAK TURTLES
Honestly I'd love to see an interview with the director of the third film, get his thoughts on all of this years later.
These are still nostalgic for me!
I watched that first movie as a kid on repeat. Over 30 years later, now my son has watched the new movie about 15 times already.
Loved part 1 and 2. My kids now love both.
So parents destroyed tmnt live action sequels... typical
And the original Batman movies too.
The 2012 Nickelodeon tmnt had some amazing stories. If they took the main plot of that show they could easily make 2-3 wonderful movies. The story of splinter being a man who lost his wife and child turning Into a rat to raise turtles was fabulous.
I always preferred the "once human" story of Splinter over the ones where he was always a rat. That's where they screwed up the 1990 movie for me. Although still a great movie.
@@jaym5118 Splinter was originally a rat though, who transformed from the ooze just like the Turtles...
i loved both films so much as a child and even now!
Man I was 12 when the first movie came out, don't know how many times we watched it. Was so awesome.
big fan of the channel keep it up
Appreciate this!
Ironically I watched these films over the weekend and thought, “Nerdstalgic should do a video on this.” Another interesting thought. It seemed like they tried to back track and make the third movie like the first. Bringing Donnie’s original voice actor back and bringing back Casey Jones. Which made the trilogy even more of a mess.
Another great video!
Honestly, seeing Casey back was probably the best part, just too bad he doesn't contribute to the story whatsoever
the first movie was so iconic that the 2012 cartoon took some references from it, like that one scene where Shredder falls to a garbage truck, just to be crushed by a lever pulled by Casey Jones
All I remember from those days is that Leonardo was my fav and I had a huge crush on April. Also playing the game with friends, back when a lot of games were couch co-op and online multiplayer wasn’t a thing yet.
Still a lot of nostalgia
1 and 2 are perfect movies. We just forget that 3 exists.
I get that 2 was more childish, but it was still a good movie. The 3rd movie... we don't talk about the third movie.
@@jonmayer
Right. And can we really hold its childishness against it when it was literally intended to be a family movie anyway? That's like mocking Disney/Pixar for having kid humor.
Wow the hockey guy was my favorite as a child
If they kept the dark tone of the original 1990 movie the franchise wouldn't of gone as downhill in terms of quality, give us a movie in the spirit of the 1990 Turtles movie with the same Turtle designs, the same tone, but it has to have heart to it and Splinter should be that for the new movie like he was in the 1990 movie, don't give us CGI abominations and just deliver a good movie.