built a 7600x/7900xtx build at xmas and loving it , game at uw1440p so gpu probably at bit overkill (got a good ebay deal risky but paid off pheww) but should see me good for 3-4 yrs
Ich habe einen R5 7600 und bin am überlegen ein Upgrade auf den R7 7800x3d zu machen ... nach diesem Test hier macht das allerdings wenig Sinn ... werde wohl meinen 7600 behalten 😊 ... Danke für den Test 👍🏻
Its interesing, i think it depends on the budget and the games that you gonna play. Some games really like the L3 cache and others really dont care about that much
Well, it depends a lot on the GPU qnd resolution you are playing at. The better the GPU, the more powerful the CPU is needed to push the GPU to their limits. I think it's safe to say that from every new GPU generation, you don't need the best CPU to push the latest GPUs to their full potential.
Hello sir. The following comment may sound bad but please consider the following advice/criticism: Your voice audio too strong. Bass is too strong. Your voice at the beginning is killing my ears (during the intro). The video clips are fine in terms of sound and video. Have a great YT career, thank you for the vid and the benchmark overall, all the best :)
I will try to adjust the audio. To be honest I check evertine my audio before posting the video and I didn't find that it was so loud. Thanks for the tip regarding the base
@@casuallygamin9 It's your voice. It sound very boomy, making what you say harder to understand. To me, It sound like you speak too close to your mic or/and too much bass.
Even 7800X3D CPU can dip below 60fps in RT games like Hogwarts Legacy or the witcher 3, not to mention unoptimized games like fragon dogma 2. In my country the 7800X3D cost twice as much compared to 7600 CPU, but if you really think about it 350$ is not that expensive compared to GPUs. I bought the 7800X3D simply because it's more powerful and more futureproof CPU and I have no regrets.
More powerful in what? The video just showed that in games, it's not that much of an improvement in performance. And that's the use case you buy X3D CPUs for anyway.
@@guyfawkes0511 An 8 core CPU is obviously more powerful compared to 6 core, not to mention the 3D cache helps a lot in CPU limited situations. In this video, all the games were GPU limited because they were running at very high resolutions. When not GPU-limited (720p), the 7800X3D is quite a bit faster, and as more games push 8-core CPUs, that difference will only grow. Battlefield 5 720p techpowerup benchmark 7600 - 263fps 7800X3D - 381fps Borderlands 3 720p 7600 - 98fps 7800X3D - 160fps Far Cry 6 720p 7600 - 130fps 7800X3D - 200fps In raster games, even the 7600 offers a very high framerate, but RT games (like The Witcher 3, Hogwarts Legacy, or especially UE5 games) increase the CPU demand so much that even the 7800X3D has trouble keeping over 60fps regardless of resolution. Slower CPU would dip to 40fps instead of 60fps and it makes a difference in CPU limited situations.
@@PabloB888 CPU is irrelevant in higher resolutions. If you paid attention the the whole point of the video, it is comparing both CPUs in 4K resolution. It's irrelevant that you're bringing up results in 720p because NOBODY buys the 7800X3D so they can play games at 720p. You completely misunderstand the concept which is why you wasted money on your CPU.
@KabuteGaming For raster games more poweful CPU is not relevant at higher resolutions (except for games that used different LOD settings at higher resolutions), but RT changed everything. In RT games higher resolution puts more demand on the CPU because you need to shoot more rays. In RT heavy games 7800X3D is able to deliver over 60fps where previous generation AMD and Intel CPU dip to around 40fps and that's noticeable difference. The whole point of testing CPUs at lower resolutions (like 720p) is to show RELATIVE DIFFERENCE in CPU performance, because at higher resolutions you are mainly testing GPU (except for RT games). Benchmarks from techpowerup show that the 7800X3D is much faster (up to 60%) compared to the 7600 in CPU-limited situations, so if you game on 240Hz screen, or play with RT, the 7800X3D offers massive performance gains over 7600. I can tell the difference between 98fps and 160fps (that's the difference between 7600 vs 7800X3D in borderlands 3 according to techpowerup review) and not to mention 7800X3D is also faster at rendering and office tasks. I bought a more powerful and future-proof CPU, so no, I do not feel like I wasted my money. If the 7800X3D was much more expensive (like $800) then I might think twice about buying it, but at $340 it was a steal. However, if I were to buy the 7600 without knowing how much slower it is in CPU-limited situations compared to the 7800X3D (like you guys who watch CPU benchmarks in GPU limited tests), I would definitely regret my purchase.
Running games at 4K max settings is going to make your GPU the bottleneck, not the CPU. So yeah, in most cases if you're gaming at 4K max settings, you'll not really see much difference between 7600 and 7800X3D. Now try running Counter Strike 2 at 1080p low settings, as competitive players will, and see if you can achieve the same FPS between the two CPU. A gap will open up as you're now CPU limted, not GPU limited. I'd expect the 7800X3D to be 15% faster, so if you're wanting to power a 360Hz / 540hz monitor then the 7800X3D wll give you extra performance to leverage your monitor's abilities.
Totally agree, and this I mentioned in the video. But this goes to show that you don't need the most expensive CPU from the current generation to push the GPUs to their full potential. On lower resolution and low settings the CPU that is more powerful will always win
Damned i just upgraded from a 7600 to a 7800x3d, paired with 7900 XT. hope it has a purpose. for 1080p gaming, and when i'll change the screen, probably to buy newer gpu's. then 7800x3d would make sense ? we'll see Excellent review 😊
For anyone confused, the greatest difference between CPUs will be seen at 1080p. I'm not sure why that resolution wasn't tested, but I'm sure you can easily find a comparison video if you need one.
Because if you go for 4080S you won't be playing in 1080p. And if you do care about CPU performance outside of gaming you wouldn't check video about performance in games
These results are very misleading. If you look at the gpu utilisation, you will see the gpu is at 100% for most benchmarks. It is true that if all you want to play are the latest games at high fidelity you should invest in your gpu and monitor before your cpu as that is going to be most likely the bottleneck. However, in the future when games become even more demanding or titles that are more cpu intensive than gpu, then these results will stray from what you could experience. You can see the performance difference in that the results are within margin of error while cpu utilisation is significantly lower on the 7800x3d. This is why you should also benchmark 1080p medium/high(benchmark rt seperately and remove settings that are too intensive) to show actual cpu performance difference, not just 1440p/4k max settings.
It's not misleading at all. It shows you that if you're playing at 1440p/4k with maxed out settings, it doesn't matter whether you have the fastest gaming CPU or not because you're entirely GPU bound (hence the 100% utilisation). The CPU starts to matter if you lower settings on 1440p or go into lower resolutions like 1080p.
What CPU are you rocking and on what resolution are you gaming? Let me know in the comments bellow...
7800x3D, good CPU and low power consumption
built a 7600x/7900xtx build at xmas and loving it , game at uw1440p so gpu probably at bit overkill (got a good ebay deal risky but paid off pheww) but should see me good for 3-4 yrs
@@AntonyP1970 good setup, enjoy it
Great video! Two things I was looking for in one video. :)
Appreciate the video man. Great stuff and we'll presented
Just picked up a 7600x and a 4080 so let's so how that combo goes
Amazing video, glad I did go 7600.
I game at ultrawide, so basically GPU bound on my set up.
Yep, at high resolution with mid to high resolution you are GPU bound, so you are good :)
Thanks man i will buy a 7600!
Ich habe einen R5 7600 und bin am überlegen ein Upgrade auf den R7 7800x3d zu machen ... nach diesem Test hier macht das allerdings wenig Sinn ... werde wohl meinen 7600 behalten 😊 ... Danke für den Test 👍🏻
Its interesing, i think it depends on the budget and the games that you gonna play. Some games really like the L3 cache and others really dont care about that much
Yes, not all games benefit from the large L3 cache
Most games don't benefit either from more cores or L3, cpu is not rly a question for gaming.
Well, it depends a lot on the GPU qnd resolution you are playing at. The better the GPU, the more powerful the CPU is needed to push the GPU to their limits. I think it's safe to say that from every new GPU generation, you don't need the best CPU to push the latest GPUs to their full potential.
Hello sir. The following comment may sound bad but please consider the following advice/criticism:
Your voice audio too strong. Bass is too strong. Your voice at the beginning is killing my ears (during the intro). The video clips are fine in terms of sound and video. Have a great YT career, thank you for the vid and the benchmark overall, all the best :)
Interesting. Is is because of the music or my voice?
I will try to adjust the audio. To be honest I check evertine my audio before posting the video and I didn't find that it was so loud. Thanks for the tip regarding the base
@@casuallygamin9 It's your voice. It sound very boomy, making what you say harder to understand. To me, It sound like you speak too close to your mic or/and too much bass.
Thanks for the info
Even 7800X3D CPU can dip below 60fps in RT games like Hogwarts Legacy or the witcher 3, not to mention unoptimized games like fragon dogma 2. In my country the 7800X3D cost twice as much compared to 7600 CPU, but if you really think about it 350$ is not that expensive compared to GPUs. I bought the 7800X3D simply because it's more powerful and more futureproof CPU and I have no regrets.
More powerful in what? The video just showed that in games, it's not that much of an improvement in performance. And that's the use case you buy X3D CPUs for anyway.
@@guyfawkes0511 An 8 core CPU is obviously more powerful compared to 6 core, not to mention the 3D cache helps a lot in CPU limited situations. In this video, all the games were GPU limited because they were running at very high resolutions. When not GPU-limited (720p), the 7800X3D is quite a bit faster, and as more games push 8-core CPUs, that difference will only grow.
Battlefield 5 720p techpowerup benchmark
7600 - 263fps
7800X3D - 381fps
Borderlands 3 720p
7600 - 98fps
7800X3D - 160fps
Far Cry 6 720p
7600 - 130fps
7800X3D - 200fps
In raster games, even the 7600 offers a very high framerate, but RT games (like The Witcher 3, Hogwarts Legacy, or especially UE5 games) increase the CPU demand so much that even the 7800X3D has trouble keeping over 60fps regardless of resolution. Slower CPU would dip to 40fps instead of 60fps and it makes a difference in CPU limited situations.
@@PabloB888 CPU is irrelevant in higher resolutions. If you paid attention the the whole point of the video, it is comparing both CPUs in 4K resolution. It's irrelevant that you're bringing up results in 720p because NOBODY buys the 7800X3D so they can play games at 720p. You completely misunderstand the concept which is why you wasted money on your CPU.
@KabuteGaming For raster games more poweful CPU is not relevant at higher resolutions (except for games that used different LOD settings at higher resolutions), but RT changed everything. In RT games higher resolution puts more demand on the CPU because you need to shoot more rays. In RT heavy games 7800X3D is able to deliver over 60fps where previous generation AMD and Intel CPU dip to around 40fps and that's noticeable difference.
The whole point of testing CPUs at lower resolutions (like 720p) is to show RELATIVE DIFFERENCE in CPU performance, because at higher resolutions you are mainly testing GPU (except for RT games). Benchmarks from techpowerup show that the 7800X3D is much faster (up to 60%) compared to the 7600 in CPU-limited situations, so if you game on 240Hz screen, or play with RT, the 7800X3D offers massive performance gains over 7600.
I can tell the difference between 98fps and 160fps (that's the difference between 7600 vs 7800X3D in borderlands 3 according to techpowerup review) and not to mention 7800X3D is also faster at rendering and office tasks. I bought a more powerful and future-proof CPU, so no, I do not feel like I wasted my money. If the 7800X3D was much more expensive (like $800) then I might think twice about buying it, but at $340 it was a steal. However, if I were to buy the 7600 without knowing how much slower it is in CPU-limited situations compared to the 7800X3D (like you guys who watch CPU benchmarks in GPU limited tests), I would definitely regret my purchase.
@@PabloB888 All this and you still don't understand the concept xD
Running games at 4K max settings is going to make your GPU the bottleneck, not the CPU. So yeah, in most cases if you're gaming at 4K max settings, you'll not really see much difference between 7600 and 7800X3D. Now try running Counter Strike 2 at 1080p low settings, as competitive players will, and see if you can achieve the same FPS between the two CPU. A gap will open up as you're now CPU limted, not GPU limited. I'd expect the 7800X3D to be 15% faster, so if you're wanting to power a 360Hz / 540hz monitor then the 7800X3D wll give you extra performance to leverage your monitor's abilities.
Totally agree, and this I mentioned in the video. But this goes to show that you don't need the most expensive CPU from the current generation to push the GPUs to their full potential. On lower resolution and low settings the CPU that is more powerful will always win
i mean the 7800x3d isnt losing in any catagory against the 7600 apart from price
True
Lol
Damned i just upgraded from a 7600 to a 7800x3d, paired with 7900 XT. hope it has a purpose. for 1080p gaming, and when i'll change the screen, probably to buy newer gpu's.
then 7800x3d would make sense ? we'll see
Excellent review 😊
Glad it was helpful
Why in cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 FPS is so low?
Well, without upscaling it's normal
I know! lol These Cyberpunk numbers are SO much lower than my own tests with my 7600+7900xtx. There must have been a problem
For anyone confused, the greatest difference between CPUs will be seen at 1080p. I'm not sure why that resolution wasn't tested, but I'm sure you can easily find a comparison video if you need one.
It's just to show that you don't need to invest in the most expensive CPU if you aim to play at high settings at 1440p and 4k.
Because if you go for 4080S you won't be playing in 1080p. And if you do care about CPU performance outside of gaming you wouldn't check video about performance in games
decent game choices
Thanks
These results are very misleading. If you look at the gpu utilisation, you will see the gpu is at 100% for most benchmarks. It is true that if all you want to play are the latest games at high fidelity you should invest in your gpu and monitor before your cpu as that is going to be most likely the bottleneck. However, in the future when games become even more demanding or titles that are more cpu intensive than gpu, then these results will stray from what you could experience. You can see the performance difference in that the results are within margin of error while cpu utilisation is significantly lower on the 7800x3d. This is why you should also benchmark 1080p medium/high(benchmark rt seperately and remove settings that are too intensive) to show actual cpu performance difference, not just 1440p/4k max settings.
Well, this is my conclusion at the end and this is why I state that I would not pare the 7600 with a 4090.
It's not misleading at all. It shows you that if you're playing at 1440p/4k with maxed out settings, it doesn't matter whether you have the fastest gaming CPU or not because you're entirely GPU bound (hence the 100% utilisation). The CPU starts to matter if you lower settings on 1440p or go into lower resolutions like 1080p.
@happyts-00 tf do you mean
@@Mayeloski Simply put, he gives cpu advice when the limiting factor for the fps is the gpu.