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What i really wonna see is 16" M1 PRO vs M1 max 24 GPU - battery life and all test comparison. Because M1 MAX 32 GPU already doesn't do that difference in power but in battery life less efficient. Gets hotter and louder.
Max Tech, please compare memory power draw in powermetrics for both machines (in idle and low/heavy load conditions). This is information a lot of people are waiting for, out of concern of battery life on the m1 Max. Would be really great !
I'm can't choose, between 16" M1 PRO 32/2T and 16" M1max 24 GPU 32/2T What i see is that 8 more gpu can eat some battery seriously. But how much exactly?
I mean, look: if you need 64GB of memory, it's not really for multitasking, it's because you need it for a single app with huge data. Until the application is really thrashing the swap, you can generally rely on the OS to take care of handling resources for you. That's the whole point. Apple's given itself a lot of headroom with the sheer speed of the RAM and cache, and SSDs now are pretty fast, so swapping something out in the background transparently isn't as hard as it used to be. But none of that really matters if you're buying a computer to last more than a year or two. If you can afford 64GB of memory and you plan to keep the machine for 4-5+ years, buy 64GB and never worry about whether you have enough RAM ever again.
This is what I was wondering…but I’ve been running 32GB for 5 years and even with a couple of VMs running plus video editing plus countless chrome tabs, I’ve rarely seen usage above 60% unless there’s a memory leak. If you can afford the extra $400, then by all means go for it. Otherwise IMO you will be totally fine for years to come with 32GB
A huge part of using these machines is running additional external displays. I haven’t seen anyone add that element to any of their tests which seems odd to me.
cause no one is running these on multiple displays lmao, this is a very small use case you are in the minority. if someone using an external display its with the laptop closed and plugged in so its no difference
@@guynumber20 I mean, a 5k monitor is twice the pixel count of the 16” so not the same thing at all. Also I think anyone looking at needing the max is in the minority and more likely to be driving multiple monitors. There are literally dozens of performance videos on these laptops, can you actually not see the value of adding that element to a test?
@Water Jogger like I said you guys are in the minority lol, you think there’s a lot of you but this is a laptop no one’s going to spend this much money on a portable machine just to have it locked to a desktop with 7 displays ur nuts. Part of the reason it costs so much is because it’s portable if they were smart they would wait for the Mac mini in March.
Running my 14 inch max 32 64 2tb on a 4k asus pro art over TB and a viotek 1440p over the HDMI. My main workflow is on average 4k 8 channel multicam projects in davinci as well as mograph and simulations in blender and it doesnt break a sweat. Truly insane
Boys if you are writing music for media and playing with huge orchestral libraries do yourself a favor and just get the 64gb. 👍 I maxed out my 32Gb really fast.
One thing most people forget is that one of the custom silicon blocks on the M1 is on-die compression/decompression, just like all of the video encoders. That and the fast SSD and the memory bandwidth really helps to make the most out of smaller memory footprints.
Photoshop test looks awkward: it's not a typical way everyone is using photoshop - just switch between opened files. Try to open something with a bunch of layers, smart objects, effects, etc, and try to change something. That is the way to catch beachball as far as I know. Anyway, thanks for the testing, and good luck.
This video is very flawed. I bought the 32gb because of this video and filled the ram very quickly using Lightroom and photoshop. I merged a bunch of HDRs and did more editing then got a full ram notification. Too late to return the computer.
I’d really like to see these tests with the MacBooks connected to external 4k and higher displays, to see if that introduces performance hits. Also screensharing.
this is what these guys don't ever test and my 2019 literally comes to a crawling hault with external display connection. Connect 1 to 2 external 4k monitors
I used to "know" that my Macs needed 32 until I was forced by my M1 Pro to go down to 16. I do think there were occasions where 32 would have made a difference, but those might have been once every 2-3 weeks (my work requires pretty extreme multitasking). I could definitely continue living with just 16, although I went back up to 32 just for those unusual occasions where I have 40 different projects open. It's amazing how good macOS is at managing RAM; I'm also a PC builder and I also use PCs for work, and I basically find that whatever the amount of RAM I need on the Mac, I double for the PC and that works out OK.
When I first thought about upgrading from my 15" 2015 MacBook Pro, I wanted to get 32 GB, mostly for it to actually be an upgrade. However, I don't think RAM has been a bottleneck in any way in this one year of using the M1 MBA 16 GB. I wouldn't recommend going for 8 GB even for casual users, but at least right now I don't think non-professionals need anything above 16 GB. I'm so freaking happy about my M1 MBA even now that, while I can appreciate the performance of the new devices, I have no desire to upgrade anytime soon. (However, I would definitely be interested in getting a lighter device with the same performance. Maybe someday...)
@@stefandesu Get real. 8GB on an M1 MBA is perfectly fine for a vast majority of regular 'casual' ultrabook users. Unified memory with Apple Silicon is a different thing. Besides, you've been using a 16GB M1 MBA version instead of an 8GB version so you don't even really know how capable that version is is. This coming from someone who uses a PC everyday with 64GB RAM and also the cheapest M1 MBA.
@@Mamo878 Yeah, you might be right about that. However, if you can afford it I'd still recommend getting 16, even if it's just for future-proofing. That thing is going to last many years (at least that's what I'm hoping for lol).
I have the 64GB M1 Max and just running Chrome, Safari with a bunch of tabs open, Affinity Photo, Mail, and a few other accessory apps I’m at over 32GB usage. So I’m happy to have the extra memory and not have to start using swap files. Worth paying the extra now to have the headroom for the future.
@@p6id I went with 2Tb. I didn’t want to have to deal with external storage and 4Tb was too much of an up charge. Glad I did, it’s great not to have to worry about running out of space.
I really think this obviously boils down to what you plan to use it for, I bought the 14 inch base model and I really love this machine, it’s by far my favorite Mac to date. I upgraded from a 16 inch MBP base model and I really thought I would be missing the sleek body and the Touch Bar and I really did like the Touch Bar (probably one of the few) But, I’m just blown away by how well it performs. I’ve gamed on it shadow of the tomb raider while also watching the new James Bond no time to die in 4k while also having 10 different windows up on safari and chrome for work and it didn’t miss a single beat! That would have NEVER happened on my 16 inch base model. Loving this machine!
What about panorama / high megapixels editing in lightroom and photoshop? ArtIsRight tested the 16GB vs 32GB and the performance difference is huge. Export time is just 10% of the workload, we spent most of the time on editing.
I think this was the most exciting review everyone was waiting for! Your reviews are unprecedented and unparalleled! What big companies claim about their products are tested "in ideal and controlled environments" as they clearly mention in their small prints and disclaimers! But guys like you put theses high profile machines into real life and hard tests to see actual performances versus official claims issued by companies!
As someone who has 64 gb of ram in my 2019 27” iMac and regularly my ram usage is around 50gb the extra money for the ram is my only real option. Plus I generally keep my machines for 6 to 8 years it also provides longevity.
"6 to 8 years?" Now that's a real rocknrolla. I tap out between 5 and 6 yrs and I typically max everything out if I can. I think M1 architecture will remain backwards compatible as this is the beginning of the lifecycle. Going from a 2017 fully speced out MBP to the same with M1 Max.
M1 Max 32 core 64GB RAM. Current AE project is using 57GB. Small project. Not even 4k files. Still running out of memory. Buy more RAM than you can afford. If they had 128GB option I would've bought that.
Seriously and I even returned the 32GB model for the 64… I think I would have preferred better battery life even if it meant memory pressure with my workflow.
Buy it nice or buy it twice. I'm doing premiere/lightroom/ae/pts w effects for the next 4, 5 years so Max 64gb is my choice. Thanks Max for your hard work.
It won't last you 5 years. I got the 64GB version and I use After Effects and I ran out of RAM on the first day. "Your system has ran out of application memory" because After Effects was using 57GB of RAM just from my normal workflow. I can only imagine what I'll need in 5 years.
You guys have given us indepth reviews on this Macs and am well educated. Thanks for this education hoping to win this Giveaway for Africa cos we are always left out thanks Max for expanding it to other countries.
Africa being left out and having internet access to post such comment, explain if you don't mind. I wonder what ppl should say in Afganistan, Honduras, Syria, Armenia, Iraq and so many other places about being left out, they won't because they don't have luxuries African life to post such comments. Stop crying wolf Africans. Smh.
Truth doesn't care. Based on what you said you are entitled to receive things for free because you think Africa is oppressed. You probably know that other places have it worse: clean water, safety, and having internet is a dream to post comments like you, but unfortunately you are playing the crying wolf card, the victim card, which is bad. Your choice to do better.
@@thesun5382 You're just rude. No one is diminishing any other place in the world. Nobody said they are entitled to anything. They simply said they were happy to be included. They are showing gratitude, not playing the victim card (in fact, YOU are playing the victim card). Have respect for Africa just like Kofi has respect for wherever you live.
I generally keep my computer for 7-10 years. b/c it makes more sense to me to max out at he purchase and then not need to upgrade everything every couple of years.
Haha. Yes! Someone else out there alike! Still have a 2013 model…needs a new battery now and some keys need to be replaced. So upgrading to these will be a dream!
I’m sure the basic m1 can. I’ve run it on an amd 2700 with a 12 year old gpu. The ps is doing the heavy lifting not the Mac. That’s just taking the input from the capture card. So long as you have a decent capture card you will be fine. I’ve even run obs on an old sell ultra book i7 with 8gb ram.
As long as the CPU and GPU doesn’t throttle, and you have the mac plugged in, it will do just fine. The thermal management is so good and the chips are so powerful that you probably won’t be going above 50 to 60% of usage and it will just take all of that workload and give you perfect performance. You should be happy even with the base model 14in
Very impressive. I just bought the 16" MacBook Pro last year with 64GB of RAM. Watching the M1 videos is very impressive but I'll stick with what I've got for now.
I have a 16” M1 Max 32gb and I was working on a 16 photo project (canon R5 rays) and it froze… have to turn my computer on and off and lost my project. Adobe needs to get their act together and optimize ps and Lr to utilize more than just the ram and cpu. Needs gpu acceleration
Good video, but you did forget resolve and premiere that uses a lot of ram. You also forgot after effects and even Resolve’s fusion. Final cut is optimized for the system so ram wouldn’t be much of an issue. This would have made this test more effective.
To anyone watching, keep in mind if you don't like closing chrome/safari tabs and leaving a lot of tabs open in the background then 32gb will slow down and lag your macbook much faster. In this video he only had 30 tabs open. I often have hundreds of tabs open in the background and they chew through ram like crazy, making other applications lag like crazy.
@@pattybergproductions2625 Everyone has different use case and habits. I am just reminding people who like to open a lot of tabs in safari/chrome to take this video as a grain of salt.
Thanks, i also have hundreds of tabs open. Just upgraded from 8 to 32 GB RAM after 10 years. Had massive performance issues, but hope they are gine even with "just" 32 GB.
You are constatly mistaking megabits with megabytes. The memory bandwidth has incresed 10 times. So on i9 we had 4GB/s, on M1 is 7GB/s on M1 Pro is 20GB/s and on M1 Max this is 40GB/s. I have simplified calculations by dividing with 10 instead of 8 (one byte is 8 bits).
In my workflow in Logic I max out the RAM by loading sampled instruments (the entire symphony orchestra) where each instrument could take 1GB. I’m glad Apple offers 64GB!
Thank you so much you guys. Because of this video I had a chance to cancel my M1Max 14inch 64gb ram 1tb and re-order for M1Max 16inch 32gb ram with 2tb. Only difference in price was $300 but I get a bigger screen, more ssd space, more battery life and no CPU throttling 🔥🔥🎉
There is one major flaw in this comparison: Shame for all the time you put in these tests but comparing the 14 inch with the 16 inch version doesn’t make a lot of sense. It has been shown many times now that’s a 14 inch version does throttle so it’s impossible to properly differentiate this here because you don’t compare the same models!
Great comparison - it seems that 32GB is a good enough workhorse - you can always use the saved money from upgrading to 64GB to get more storage (to absorb the swapped memory) - eg. buy 2TB storage instead of 1TB and keep 200-300GB storage free. Another video idea - test the battery life in both the 14" and 16" models at *low performance mode* and have a _looped_ "office" type workflow or movie watching to see how close it would match the M1 Air / M1 13" MacBook Pro models. That way, you can test to see if the 14" model is close to the M1 models, but has a better screen, faster SSD etc.
On the spectrum of quality in testing / benchmark content, there’s absolute scientific rigor on one extreme; comprehensibility and consistency for laypeople in the middle; and then MaxTech on the other end. Nowhere else do I see content that is as lacking in technical acumen, English language mechanics, or as overly confident as this channel. This video helped me a little, but mainly by creating more questions than answers. I feel like I just watched 30 minutes of reality television where 90% va of the dialog is garbage.
There is one conclusion for most of video creators using MacBooks: M1Pro will be enough. You’ve saved a bunch of people a lot of money as I wanted myself the M1Max 👍🏻 cheers buddy
super cool. turned the fans on in this test? and u don’t know if there were dropouts (soundwise) in Logic when playing the track… just rendering is a complete another thing ….that would have been very important to know 🤔
I went with the 14" 10/16 with 32 gb memory and 2 tb ssd storage. I did the in between because I never go max as I never need it and I never go low. I am psychotic like that. Pro works fine for FCP.
Powermetrics on a m1 Max with 64gb vs 32gb, show a difference of approx 50% more dram power draw for the 64gb model when idling (just after rebooting the machine). This is information from two single measurements. It would be nice to see further tests confirming these differences (or not) in low to heavy load conditions. This could have consequences for battery life, maybe (probably?) bigger then the gpu difference between the max and the pro would amount to…
Unpopular opinion incoming... I’m going with 64GB of RAM, even though I know I unequivocally don’t need it today... it’s not like I was on the fence, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that 32GB would’ve been plenty for me.. TODAY. However, with the outrageous performance and capabilities of these machines, developers will take advantage of that and I fully expect that the 64GB will pay for itself in terms of performance within two years. If I’m wrong, I’ll still have a great machine with no regrets. Just one mans opinion! Either way, thanks for this awesome and extremely informative video, and congrats to all of you who are fortunate enough to get your hands on one of these magnificent machines.
Insane!! Can't believe how well it runs on 32GBs! Thanks for doing this benchmark! I use Adobe After Effects, not sure if you would want to do a benchmark test difference between the 32GB and 64GB in AE with playback and render times.
Thanks man! I was debating whether 64gb would be worth it for me, but considering the first 5 min is pretty much how I run my day (yes, with 30 chrome tabs open, haha) and 32GB ran without sweat, this saves me a cool $400, haha.
If you really want to see a difference between the 32GB and 64GB, try a few After Effects benchmarks. Still, it makes total sense that in the vast majority of use cases the 64GB is overkill.
When the "mac mini pro" finally comes out with the M1 Max processor I may still go for 64GB of RAM. I do drawings at 10,000px by 10,000px with a ton of layers in Photoshop once in a while. I feel "safe" to have more headroom.
@@Cryo837 because it's based on the m1 but more powerful. It's like the A14 and A12X (or A12Z which is even more powerful) on iPads. A12Z is a more powerful A12. It has more cores than the A14. It does not have some new things added but is more powerful than the newer A14.
@@Cryo837 It's only 3 Chips, dude. M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max. If you can't memorize just these 3 names, I'm sure you don't have enough brain power to use all of these chips effectively and efficiently on these machines. So, you don't need that.
The thing about RAM is that you don't need it until you need it. A solid Mac is a five-to-six-year machine - easy. I'm still rocking a fully pimped 2017 MacBook Pro. Maxing out your RAM (no pun intended) is not a bad idea as sysreqs on popular titles could creep up on you. And there is no "upgrading" when the machine starts to feel sluggish three years into your five-year timeline. And let's be honest, as a UA-camr, you're way more likely to ditch this unit in a year or two when Apple replaces it with a new spec. It makes sense for you to be as economical as you can be based on your turnover. If you can swing it, get 64 and sleep better because you've got the headroom. You'll also get a better trade-in value if you're a platform loyalist who doesn't think about jumping ship every time a competitor adds half of a core to their latest offering.
Im very excited the launching of the new macbook pro, I think they take productivity to the next level, a level we didnt knew! and I desperatly want to win one
Smart choice. The new CPU is so powerful that saving a bit of money going for the lower CPU and putting that into the RAM is a better choice if budget is an issue.
Excellent work pushing both to the max based on really world usage 👏🏻 Think you guys would do the which is best for you video just like the previous years, can't wait to see them!
its not real world usage, he do nothing in any of projects... just open and render... and he open in Final Cut :D where is near no effects and hard things in project... for real usage of memory he need to open Premiere, spent near 30 min in project, with texts, mogrts, linking to AE and do some good effects, have 2-3 audio tracks of voices, have 2-3 multicameras and so one. This will be the real test... but anyway, for this usages, m1 m2 m3 max ofc will be too good, and difference will be just couple minutes on render or seconds in work, so its not a big deal) but it will shows difference, cos here he dont show it at all, clicking on safari tabs.... facepalm)
Great video! My development workflow with 3 external monitors (1 5K, 2 4K) would push 32GB , but it would work. My concern is with SSD churn because of swap when the workload gets close to the 32GB limit. For a professional machine, that will be used for 3-4 years, the cost to get extra RAM, is relatively minor considering you cannot add more later on (the same goes for SSD space). Plus, I do not know what my next development workflow may look like…so I believe if in doubt, go up to the next level.
my thoughts exactly. In a few years having 8K displays will be the norm, and I don't see any review done while using external displays. My maxed out 2014 macbook pro runs quite well all on its own, but when I connect a 5K display I push it way beyond its limit. I agree with you, when in doubt, go to the new level. No one ever complained about having too much ram.
I haven't seen anyone really testing these machines on UA-cam running external displays. I don't worry so much about if it would affect RAM use but I definitely do worry if driving external displays all day will make the fans ramp up to loud levels. That's always been one of the worst things about Intel MacBook Pros... so it would be nice to know if this problem is solved.
I knew going into this video 99% that for my needs the 32GB should do me fine for some years. Now I'm getting curious about 16GB...well, I forget now if that is even an option with the Pro Max (which I just barely "need" and have decided on, though probably just the 24-core GPU version much more than OK for me).
This is the video I needed, now I can make a firm decision on what to buy. Thanks to everyone at MaxTech for the hard work that was put into these videos
@@karenann5187 I chose the 14inch for the portability and the lighter weight, also chose the 2TB hard drive and 64GB Ram with the M1 Max 32 core GPU. I would recommend if you are a video editor to get an external display for longer periods of work to reduce eye strain. Hope this helps
@@richardh995 I would have loved to get what you have! I wanted it so bad, but I don't do a lot of Video editing. I do use VM's a lot in Cybersecurity so I opted on 16" 32GB Ram and 1TB storage. Those specs probably would last me a good 3 years of use, or even more. Thank you for the advise! I wish I had more money to spare or I'd buy your specs in a heartbeat! Single parent here so needed to save. Enjoy! I am sure you bought the best there is! I envy you. :-)
As a beginner the more I watch the more I learn...understanding all the terminology will take some time yet though...thank you for your comparisons...regards.
Great video, loved the comparison! One tip: When switching between tabs, use control + tab, it will be easier to do at the same time than looking where to click. :)
Well, since I didn't win the giveaway lol I went ahead and ordered a 16" with 32GB of RAM. I'm glad you put out this video because I was concerned on whether I made the correct decision. I upgraded to the MAX processor but the binned 24 version and went with a 2TB drive. With my military discount it ended up still being a whopping $3500.....it will take awhile for it to pay for itself lol
The question I'm most curious about is, how much do you need to restrict the cpu performance of the 14" 10 core M1 pro by to get similar battery life and fan rpms as the 16" base model. Thanks!
@@foreheadgod14 I got the M1 Max 16” 32 Core GPU, 64GB & 1TB SSD. Sadly BH will be delivering by end of DEC. However I did get a $200 discount on the $3899
You should open davinci Then color grade 5 clips. Then put a transition between each of them. And then put some noise reduction on them. This, in my opinion is the ultimate test.
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What i really wonna see is 16" M1 PRO vs M1 max 24 GPU - battery life and all test comparison.
Because M1 MAX 32 GPU already doesn't do that difference in power but in battery life less efficient.
Gets hotter and louder.
Max Tech, please compare memory power draw in powermetrics for both machines (in idle and low/heavy load conditions). This is information a lot of people are waiting for, out of concern of battery life on the m1 Max. Would be really great !
I'm can't choose, between 16" M1 PRO 32/2T and 16" M1max 24 GPU 32/2T
What i see is that 8 more gpu can eat some battery seriously.
But how much exactly?
This is the video I was expecting for! thanks, looks like 32 for me.
Thanks for the comprehensive review.
You guys should summarise all the videos in the launch week and show stats in tabular format or a nice visual format!!
It would be good to also see the 24 core against the 16 core 14”. That will show which is the first one they throttle
Honestly the 14inch M1 Pro with 32GB RAM Seems like a good purchase.
How do you think they make money lol
@@antoniomayers1655 As is the 16 inch
Nah, comparative reviews until Christmas.
Max from Max Tech, taking bout M1 Max, comparing 2 Mac’s. 🤯
I mean, look: if you need 64GB of memory, it's not really for multitasking, it's because you need it for a single app with huge data. Until the application is really thrashing the swap, you can generally rely on the OS to take care of handling resources for you. That's the whole point. Apple's given itself a lot of headroom with the sheer speed of the RAM and cache, and SSDs now are pretty fast, so swapping something out in the background transparently isn't as hard as it used to be.
But none of that really matters if you're buying a computer to last more than a year or two. If you can afford 64GB of memory and you plan to keep the machine for 4-5+ years, buy 64GB and never worry about whether you have enough RAM ever again.
exactly! Set it and forget it.
well said, thank you
Or you are a developer that needs to start more virtual machines/docker instances that will fit into 32gb
Exactly my thoughts...I still use my mid 2012 retina MacBook Pro. I'm going with the 64gb in hopes of it doing right by me for about 10 years.
This is what I was wondering…but I’ve been running 32GB for 5 years and even with a couple of VMs running plus video editing plus countless chrome tabs, I’ve rarely seen usage above 60% unless there’s a memory leak. If you can afford the extra $400, then by all means go for it. Otherwise IMO you will be totally fine for years to come with 32GB
A huge part of using these machines is running additional external displays. I haven’t seen anyone add that element to any of their tests which seems odd to me.
cause no one is running these on multiple displays lmao, this is a very small use case you are in the minority. if someone using an external display its with the laptop closed and plugged in so its no difference
@@guynumber20 I mean, a 5k monitor is twice the pixel count of the 16” so not the same thing at all. Also I think anyone looking at needing the max is in the minority and more likely to be driving multiple monitors. There are literally dozens of performance videos on these laptops, can you actually not see the value of adding that element to a test?
@Water Jogger like I said you guys are in the minority lol, you think there’s a lot of you but this is a laptop no one’s going to spend this much money on a portable machine just to have it locked to a desktop with 7 displays ur nuts. Part of the reason it costs so much is because it’s portable if they were smart they would wait for the Mac mini in March.
@@guynumber20 actually from business perspective its preferred. Can just move workstation home. And people are WAY more productive with 2 monitors
Running my 14 inch max 32 64 2tb on a 4k asus pro art over TB and a viotek 1440p over the HDMI. My main workflow is on average 4k 8 channel multicam projects in davinci as well as mograph and simulations in blender and it doesnt break a sweat. Truly insane
Boys if you are writing music for media and playing with huge orchestral libraries do yourself a favor and just get the 64gb. 👍 I maxed out my 32Gb really fast.
One thing most people forget is that one of the custom silicon blocks on the M1 is on-die compression/decompression, just like all of the video encoders. That and the fast SSD and the memory bandwidth really helps to make the most out of smaller memory footprints.
Photoshop test looks awkward: it's not a typical way everyone is using photoshop - just switch between opened files. Try to open something with a bunch of layers, smart objects, effects, etc, and try to change something. That is the way to catch beachball as far as I know.
Anyway, thanks for the testing, and good luck.
Couldn’t agree more would love to see this
This video is very flawed. I bought the 32gb because of this video and filled the ram very quickly using Lightroom and photoshop. I merged a bunch of HDRs and did more editing then got a full ram notification. Too late to return the computer.
I want a MAXed out M1 MAX from MAX Tech with a drawing of MAX on it saying "...aaaand BAM!!"
I’d really like to see these tests with the MacBooks connected to external 4k and higher displays, to see if that introduces performance hits. Also screensharing.
this is what these guys don't ever test and my 2019 literally comes to a crawling hault with external display connection. Connect 1 to 2 external 4k monitors
I used to "know" that my Macs needed 32 until I was forced by my M1 Pro to go down to 16. I do think there were occasions where 32 would have made a difference, but those might have been once every 2-3 weeks (my work requires pretty extreme multitasking). I could definitely continue living with just 16, although I went back up to 32 just for those unusual occasions where I have 40 different projects open. It's amazing how good macOS is at managing RAM; I'm also a PC builder and I also use PCs for work, and I basically find that whatever the amount of RAM I need on the Mac, I double for the PC and that works out OK.
When I first thought about upgrading from my 15" 2015 MacBook Pro, I wanted to get 32 GB, mostly for it to actually be an upgrade. However, I don't think RAM has been a bottleneck in any way in this one year of using the M1 MBA 16 GB. I wouldn't recommend going for 8 GB even for casual users, but at least right now I don't think non-professionals need anything above 16 GB. I'm so freaking happy about my M1 MBA even now that, while I can appreciate the performance of the new devices, I have no desire to upgrade anytime soon. (However, I would definitely be interested in getting a lighter device with the same performance. Maybe someday...)
@@stefandesu the M1 MBA is probably objectively (all things considered, including price), the best laptop in the world even now
@@elenchus Totally agree!
@@stefandesu
Get real. 8GB on an M1 MBA is perfectly fine for a vast majority of regular 'casual' ultrabook users. Unified memory with Apple Silicon is a different thing. Besides, you've been using a 16GB M1 MBA version instead of an 8GB version so you don't even really know how capable that version is is.
This coming from someone who uses a PC everyday with 64GB RAM and also the cheapest M1 MBA.
@@Mamo878 Yeah, you might be right about that. However, if you can afford it I'd still recommend getting 16, even if it's just for future-proofing. That thing is going to last many years (at least that's what I'm hoping for lol).
Can you do a video on external displays especially for those that plan on buying the 14 inch macbook pro.
waiting for the 24core GPU one!
I have the 64GB M1 Max and just running Chrome, Safari with a bunch of tabs open, Affinity Photo, Mail, and a few other accessory apps I’m at over 32GB usage. So I’m happy to have the extra memory and not have to start using swap files. Worth paying the extra now to have the headroom for the future.
How much ssd storage did u go with?
@@p6id I went with 2Tb. I didn’t want to have to deal with external storage and 4Tb was too much of an up charge. Glad I did, it’s great not to have to worry about running out of space.
Thank you, Max! This video helped me a lot to decide that I don't really need 64GB for what I do daily, which is mostly music production.
I really think this obviously boils down to what you plan to use it for, I bought the 14 inch base model and I really love this machine, it’s by far my favorite Mac to date. I upgraded from a 16 inch MBP base model and I really thought I would be missing the sleek body and the Touch Bar and I really did like the Touch Bar (probably one of the few) But, I’m just blown away by how well it performs. I’ve gamed on it shadow of the tomb raider while also watching the new James Bond no time to die in 4k while also having 10 different windows up on safari and chrome for work and it didn’t miss a single beat! That would have NEVER happened on my 16 inch base model. Loving this machine!
What about panorama / high megapixels editing in lightroom and photoshop? ArtIsRight tested the 16GB vs 32GB and the performance difference is huge. Export time is just 10% of the workload, we spent most of the time on editing.
16" M1 Pro 16 GPU VS M1 MAX 24 GPU full performance test, battery life and comparison pls Max
This is what I’m waiting for
I think this was the most exciting review everyone was waiting for!
Your reviews are unprecedented and unparalleled!
What big companies claim about their products are tested "in ideal and controlled environments" as they clearly mention in their small prints and disclaimers!
But guys like you put theses high profile machines into real life and hard tests to see actual performances versus official claims issued by companies!
You really should do a complete battery test for light use (netflix UA-cam web browsing light gaming like LoL). 14 Pro and max/16 pro and Max.
Give the ppl what they want
As someone who has 64 gb of ram in my 2019 27” iMac and regularly my ram usage is around 50gb the extra money for the ram is my only real option. Plus I generally keep my machines for 6 to 8 years it also provides longevity.
Yes, exactly! Product longevity FTW.
"6 to 8 years?" Now that's a real rocknrolla. I tap out between 5 and 6 yrs and I typically max everything out if I can. I think M1 architecture will remain backwards compatible as this is the beginning of the lifecycle. Going from a 2017 fully speced out MBP to the same with M1 Max.
Good job! Thanks for going to that extreme effort to show what those laptops could handle when filling up their RAM.
M1 Max 32 core 64GB RAM. Current AE project is using 57GB. Small project. Not even 4k files. Still running out of memory. Buy more RAM than you can afford. If they had 128GB option I would've bought that.
Thanks for making me regret getting 64 gigs… 😅 love the content guys!
Seriously and I even returned the 32GB model for the 64… I think I would have preferred better battery life even if it meant memory pressure with my workflow.
I just got the MacBook Pro 16" 32gb, 1tb, M1 Max, 10 core CPU, 24 core GPU... YES... its a beast!
I would love to see RAM tests with 4K After Effects projects with lots of effects. My PC (3950X, 2070super, 128GB RAM) struggles with that.
Buy it nice or buy it twice. I'm doing premiere/lightroom/ae/pts w effects for the next 4, 5 years so Max 64gb is my choice. Thanks Max for your hard work.
It won't last you 5 years. I got the 64GB version and I use After Effects and I ran out of RAM on the first day. "Your system has ran out of application memory" because After Effects was using 57GB of RAM just from my normal workflow. I can only imagine what I'll need in 5 years.
You guys are in beast mode🔥🔥
Your welcome! I tried to push these as much as possible!
@@MaxTechOfficial bro is there a video coming of maxed out m1 macbook pro m1 chi vs the base m1 max/pro
@@vadish8304 there’s already a video for M1 Pro
Vadim: What else can I do?
MacBook: Fights with one hand behind back like Neo in the Matrix.
If anyone needs the 64gb ram, I would question your OCD behaviors more than your workflow 😂
You guys have given us indepth reviews on this Macs and am well educated. Thanks for this education hoping to win this Giveaway for Africa cos we are always left out thanks Max for expanding it to other countries.
Africa being left out and having internet access to post such comment, explain if you don't mind. I wonder what ppl should say in Afganistan, Honduras, Syria, Armenia, Iraq and so many other places about being left out, they won't because they don't have luxuries African life to post such comments. Stop crying wolf Africans. Smh.
Thanks anyways everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. But am shocked u guys are attacking me for speaking for Africa 🌍
Truth doesn't care. Based on what you said you are entitled to receive things for free because you think Africa is oppressed. You probably know that other places have it worse: clean water, safety, and having internet is a dream to post comments like you, but unfortunately you are playing the crying wolf card, the victim card, which is bad. Your choice to do better.
@@thesun5382 You're just rude. No one is diminishing any other place in the world. Nobody said they are entitled to anything. They simply said they were happy to be included. They are showing gratitude, not playing the victim card (in fact, YOU are playing the victim card). Have respect for Africa just like Kofi has respect for wherever you live.
Am speaking for my self let the other countries speak for themselves Y are attacking me
I generally keep my computer for 7-10 years. b/c it makes more sense to me to max out at he purchase and then not need to upgrade everything every couple of years.
Haha. Yes! Someone else out there alike! Still have a 2013 model…needs a new battery now and some keys need to be replaced. So upgrading to these will be a dream!
Yeah I also have a late 2013 15'', and prefer to get a top model and keep it for as long as it lasts and is useable! Great value this way!
This makes me wonder if the 32GB can handle recording PS5 video on OBS for 8-24 hours in a row with little to no frame drops.
I'm pretty sure the base model 14" can with no problems. So no doubt that higher spec models can.
Can’t wait to start streaming in December with my MAX
It has to be a pretty poor recording software if it requires that much memory to record video. The recording should go pretty much straight to disc.
I’m sure the basic m1 can. I’ve run it on an amd 2700 with a 12 year old gpu. The ps is doing the heavy lifting not the Mac. That’s just taking the input from the capture card. So long as you have a decent capture card you will be fine. I’ve even run obs on an old sell ultra book i7 with 8gb ram.
As long as the CPU and GPU doesn’t throttle, and you have the mac plugged in, it will do just fine. The thermal management is so good and the chips are so powerful that you probably won’t be going above 50 to 60% of usage and it will just take all of that workload and give you perfect performance. You should be happy even with the base model 14in
Very impressive. I just bought the 16" MacBook Pro last year with 64GB of RAM. Watching the M1 videos is very impressive but I'll stick with what I've got for now.
I have a 16” M1 Max 32gb and I was working on a 16 photo project (canon R5 rays) and it froze… have to turn my computer on and off and lost my project. Adobe needs to get their act together and optimize ps and Lr to utilize more than just the ram and cpu. Needs gpu acceleration
There’s no way a M1 pro could handle my work flow apparently
Good video, but you did forget resolve and premiere that uses a lot of ram. You also forgot after effects and even Resolve’s fusion. Final cut is optimized for the system so ram wouldn’t be much of an issue. This would have made this test more effective.
Was waiting for this test. Thanks! I also agree, though. I'd like to see a test with Premiere and Resolve. Pretty please ;)
Consider for future test using Logic Pro with Kontakt instrument libraries and RAM will make a difference.
To anyone watching, keep in mind if you don't like closing chrome/safari tabs and leaving a lot of tabs open in the background then 32gb will slow down and lag your macbook much faster. In this video he only had 30 tabs open. I often have hundreds of tabs open in the background and they chew through ram like crazy, making other applications lag like crazy.
@@pattybergproductions2625 Everyone has different use case and habits. I am just reminding people who like to open a lot of tabs in safari/chrome to take this video as a grain of salt.
Thanks, i also have hundreds of tabs open. Just upgraded from 8 to 32 GB RAM after 10 years. Had massive performance issues, but hope they are gine even with "just" 32 GB.
You are constatly mistaking megabits with megabytes. The memory bandwidth has incresed 10 times. So on i9 we had 4GB/s, on M1 is 7GB/s on M1 Pro is 20GB/s and on M1 Max this is 40GB/s. I have simplified calculations by dividing with 10 instead of 8 (one byte is 8 bits).
In my workflow in Logic I max out the RAM by loading sampled instruments (the entire symphony orchestra) where each instrument could take 1GB. I’m glad Apple offers 64GB!
Thank you so much you guys. Because of this video I had a chance to cancel my M1Max 14inch 64gb ram 1tb and re-order for M1Max 16inch 32gb ram with 2tb. Only difference in price was $300 but I get a bigger screen, more ssd space, more battery life and no CPU throttling 🔥🔥🎉
And also a much faster SSD drive
There is one major flaw in this comparison:
Shame for all the time you put in these tests but comparing the 14 inch with the 16 inch version doesn’t make a lot of sense. It has been shown many times now that’s a 14 inch version does throttle so it’s impossible to properly differentiate this here because you don’t compare the same models!
One thing exceptional with Max is that you will always learn new thing. I keep looking up for the next...
Great comparison - it seems that 32GB is a good enough workhorse - you can always use the saved money from upgrading to 64GB to get more storage (to absorb the swapped memory) - eg. buy 2TB storage instead of 1TB and keep 200-300GB storage free.
Another video idea - test the battery life in both the 14" and 16" models at *low performance mode* and have a _looped_ "office" type workflow or movie watching to see how close it would match the M1 Air / M1 13" MacBook Pro models. That way, you can test to see if the 14" model is close to the M1 models, but has a better screen, faster SSD etc.
On the spectrum of quality in testing / benchmark content, there’s absolute scientific rigor on one extreme; comprehensibility and consistency for laypeople in the middle; and then MaxTech on the other end. Nowhere else do I see content that is as lacking in technical acumen, English language mechanics, or as overly confident as this channel. This video helped me a little, but mainly by creating more questions than answers. I feel like I just watched 30 minutes of reality television where 90% va of the dialog is garbage.
An extensive test that I was waiting to see.Good job guys!
There is one conclusion for most of video creators using MacBooks: M1Pro will be enough. You’ve saved a bunch of people a lot of money as I wanted myself the M1Max 👍🏻 cheers buddy
these laptops are mind-blowing!
I don't think I have ever seen so many videos on Macbook Pro 🤣 Love it
You need to pull all out all of the BAMs for this. 🤣
Please do one with two 16“ macbook pros one 16GB and the other with 64GB ram
Sweet, one of the test we all wanted to see. Feeling great about getting the 32 for future proofing
super cool. turned the fans on in this test? and u don’t know if there were dropouts (soundwise) in Logic when playing the track… just rendering is a complete another thing ….that would have been very important to know 🤔
I went with the 14" 10/16 with 32 gb memory and 2 tb ssd storage. I did the in between because I never go max as I never need it and I never go low. I am psychotic like that. Pro works fine for FCP.
Powermetrics on a m1 Max with 64gb vs 32gb, show a difference of approx 50% more dram power draw for the 64gb model when idling (just after rebooting the machine). This is information from two single measurements. It would be nice to see further tests confirming these differences (or not) in low to heavy load conditions. This could have consequences for battery life, maybe (probably?) bigger then the gpu difference between the max and the pro would amount to…
I thought we don’t need 32GB and 16GB is enough. Now it’s 32GB that’s perfect for 99% of us ^^
Unpopular opinion incoming... I’m going with 64GB of RAM, even though I know I unequivocally don’t need it today... it’s not like I was on the fence, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that 32GB would’ve been plenty for me.. TODAY.
However, with the outrageous performance and capabilities of these machines, developers will take advantage of that and I fully expect that the 64GB will pay for itself in terms of performance within two years. If I’m wrong, I’ll still have a great machine with no regrets. Just one mans opinion!
Either way, thanks for this awesome and extremely informative video, and congrats to all of you who are fortunate enough to get your hands on one of these magnificent machines.
You might consider getting Capture One for ram use tests. That program uses a ton of ram. I had it using almost 50GB ram on my 64GB Mac max this week.
Is there aby way to check TBW on Mac? Using swap more frequent ssd will live shorter, I Wonder how shorter....
Insane!! Can't believe how well it runs on 32GBs! Thanks for doing this benchmark! I use Adobe After Effects, not sure if you would want to do a benchmark test difference between the 32GB and 64GB in AE with playback and render times.
Same here! I watched disappointing ae tests on youtube and I wonder if the 64gigs mode make any difference. If no then I will probably go for a PC.
So I’ve read that because ae is cpu based, the unified memory won’t make a difference.
These break downs are so great
I think 3D artists with heavy scenes and the new after effects mult rendering will benefit from the 64gb ram.
Wow so many comparisons and tests and still going. Great work.
Thanks man! I was debating whether 64gb would be worth it for me, but considering the first 5 min is pretty much how I run my day (yes, with 30 chrome tabs open, haha) and 32GB ran without sweat, this saves me a cool $400, haha.
After Effects.
we want the 24-core comparison!
Yes!!
But what about memory leaks?
If you really want to see a difference between the 32GB and 64GB, try a few After Effects benchmarks. Still, it makes total sense that in the vast majority of use cases the 64GB is overkill.
wow i remember your Logic test but adding it to THIS test....Jeez the memory management is insane even on the 32
When the "mac mini pro" finally comes out with the M1 Max processor I may still go for 64GB of RAM. I do drawings at 10,000px by 10,000px with a ton of layers in Photoshop once in a while. I feel "safe" to have more headroom.
@@Cryo837 It's Apple's version of Core i3, i5, and i7 (Intel's naming scheme).
@@Cryo837 because it's based on the m1 but more powerful. It's like the A14 and A12X (or A12Z which is even more powerful) on iPads. A12Z is a more powerful A12. It has more cores than the A14. It does not have some new things added but is more powerful than the newer A14.
@@Cryo837 It's only 3 Chips, dude. M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max. If you can't memorize just these 3 names, I'm sure you don't have enough brain power to use all of these chips effectively and efficiently on these machines. So, you don't need that.
More is usually better, but only up to a point. I just worked on a 4000x4000 photoshop file that has 165 layers and it worked fine on a 8gb M1 Air ☺️
Pro audio will utilize a lot of ram. You need to load sample based instruments. Orchestral mockups.
The thing about RAM is that you don't need it until you need it. A solid Mac is a five-to-six-year machine - easy. I'm still rocking a fully pimped 2017 MacBook Pro. Maxing out your RAM (no pun intended) is not a bad idea as sysreqs on popular titles could creep up on you.
And there is no "upgrading" when the machine starts to feel sluggish three years into your five-year timeline.
And let's be honest, as a UA-camr, you're way more likely to ditch this unit in a year or two when Apple replaces it with a new spec. It makes sense for you to be as economical as you can be based on your turnover.
If you can swing it, get 64 and sleep better because you've got the headroom. You'll also get a better trade-in value if you're a platform loyalist who doesn't think about jumping ship every time a competitor adds half of a core to their latest offering.
Im very excited the launching of the new macbook pro, I think they take productivity to the next level, a level we didnt knew! and I desperatly want to win one
I went with the 64GB version and the 24 Core GPU on the 14”. Best Setup Ever! 💯👍💪
Smart choice. The new CPU is so powerful that saving a bit of money going for the lower CPU and putting that into the RAM is a better choice if budget is an issue.
@@JustStarcraft2 Exactly! The M1 Mac Mini only had 8 Cores, so going up to the 24 Core was already a big jump for major improvements. 👍💪
@@---sg9zj I think it is too. The 32GB is a great choice as well, things should be very smooth and fast.
I have a question guys where can I find 8k games to play on the macbook pro m1 max I got the 64gb ram model, I would love to push this baby to limits
Excellent work pushing both to the max based on really world usage 👏🏻
Think you guys would do the which is best for you video just like the previous years, can't wait to see them!
its not real world usage, he do nothing in any of projects... just open and render... and he open in Final Cut :D where is near no effects and hard things in project... for real usage of memory he need to open Premiere, spent near 30 min in project, with texts, mogrts, linking to AE and do some good effects, have 2-3 audio tracks of voices, have 2-3 multicameras and so one. This will be the real test... but anyway, for this usages, m1 m2 m3 max ofc will be too good, and difference will be just couple minutes on render or seconds in work, so its not a big deal) but it will shows difference, cos here he dont show it at all, clicking on safari tabs.... facepalm)
I wish you would do an After Effects Test with the Ram..
Great video! My development workflow with 3 external monitors (1 5K, 2 4K) would push 32GB , but it would work. My concern is with SSD churn because of swap when the workload gets close to the 32GB limit. For a professional machine, that will be used for 3-4 years, the cost to get extra RAM, is relatively minor considering you cannot add more later on (the same goes for SSD space). Plus, I do not know what my next development workflow may look like…so I believe if in doubt, go up to the next level.
my thoughts exactly. In a few years having 8K displays will be the norm, and I don't see any review done while using external displays. My maxed out 2014 macbook pro runs quite well all on its own, but when I connect a 5K display I push it way beyond its limit. I agree with you, when in doubt, go to the new level. No one ever complained about having too much ram.
It's just bonkers how much you threw at those Macs and they barely flinched. Great test!
It would be interesting to see this same test redone with 16G vs. 32G. Thanks!
They did that on benchmark testings etc. Unfortunately, not as much real-world testing.
This is a great channel! I only caught sight of you folks in recent times, but it’s now among my favourite channels.❤
MacBook Pro here we go 🔥
How do external displays affect RAM usage?
I’m wondering the same thing.
a lot, especially with high resolution, still easily handled by this machines.
I haven't seen anyone really testing these machines on UA-cam running external displays. I don't worry so much about if it would affect RAM use but I definitely do worry if driving external displays all day will make the fans ramp up to loud levels. That's always been one of the worst things about Intel MacBook Pros... so it would be nice to know if this problem is solved.
i don't know who got tortured more. The machines with all these stress tests or you, Max, by trying to find an end in this bottomless pit.
I knew going into this video 99% that for my needs the 32GB should do me fine for some years. Now I'm getting curious about 16GB...well, I forget now if that is even an option with the Pro Max (which I just barely "need" and have decided on, though probably just the 24-core GPU version much more than OK for me).
Get 32 if you are into games
Is there battery life comparison between 64GB and 32GB RAM buried somewhere in the video?
Failed to find it in Timestamps.
This is the video I needed, now I can make a firm decision on what to buy. Thanks to everyone at MaxTech for the hard work that was put into these videos
So, what did you buy? Or what will you buy?
@@karenann5187 I chose the 14inch for the portability and the lighter weight, also chose the 2TB hard drive and 64GB Ram with the M1 Max 32 core GPU. I would recommend if you are a video editor to get an external display for longer periods of work to reduce eye strain. Hope this helps
@@richardh995 I would have loved to get what you have! I wanted it so bad, but I don't do a lot of Video editing. I do use VM's a lot in Cybersecurity so I opted on 16" 32GB Ram and 1TB storage. Those specs probably would last me a good 3 years of use, or even more. Thank you for the advise! I wish I had more money to spare or I'd buy your specs in a heartbeat! Single parent here so needed to save. Enjoy! I am sure you bought the best there is! I envy you. :-)
As a beginner the more I watch the more I learn...understanding all the terminology will take some time yet though...thank you for your comparisons...regards.
Great video, loved the comparison!
One tip: When switching between tabs, use control + tab, it will be easier to do at the same time than looking where to click. :)
@maxtech are you seeing memory leak on any of these MacBook pros 💻?
Well, since I didn't win the giveaway lol I went ahead and ordered a 16" with 32GB of RAM. I'm glad you put out this video because I was concerned on whether I made the correct decision. I upgraded to the MAX processor but the binned 24 version and went with a 2TB drive. With my military discount it ended up still being a whopping $3500.....it will take awhile for it to pay for itself lol
I got the M1 Max 16” 32 Core GPU, 64GB & 1TB SSD.
Sadly BH will be delivering by end of DEC. However I did get a $200 discount on the $3899
This is the video I have waited for and I just love how much effort you put into this. 😃 My M1 Max 32 GB RAM will arrive on friday. 😍
How much ssd
2 TB because of video editing. :)
You included Logic Pro. I salute you!
32 gb!!!!!!!! Value for money
No one’s making better comparisons with these new M1 Pro and M1 Max MacBooks than you guys! Nixes job! It’s been really helpful
The question I'm most curious about is, how much do you need to restrict the cpu performance of the 14" 10 core M1 pro by to get similar battery life and fan rpms as the 16" base model. Thanks!
I always like how you guys test everything
damn the performance of the 32 gig is 🔥. Can’t wait for my 16 inch M1 Max 32GB MacBook Pro!
I’m hyped for the 64gb. Both are really good but I video edit and I need a lot of effects.
You are a naive person period
@@foreheadgod14 I got the M1 Max 16” 32 Core GPU, 64GB & 1TB SSD.
Sadly BH will be delivering by end of DEC. However I did get a $200 discount on the $3899
@@---sg9zj are you sure? In 5 years it will be your worst nightmare
@@---sg9zj most apple products get seven years update
You should open davinci
Then color grade 5 clips.
Then put a transition between each of them.
And then put some noise reduction on them.
This, in my opinion is the ultimate test.