Lots of negatives about Kennedy get posted, but usually when weather, bottlenecks etc. happen, these guys are right on it. They had only one runway available during a snow event and handled it very well. The largest line up and wait line I ever counted amounted to 23 planes waiting their turn. The ones at the end looked all jumbled up as control was trying to find spaces for them.
ATC Internal Monologue: What the ****?!? DUDE, Standard terminology!!! We don't have time for deciphering what the hell 'okay, okay, okay' means: "Okaaaay, yeah, you are..." ATC Rational brain: You know what he means, don't jam up the radio now. Now's not the time to call it out; we've got WAY bigger fish to fry. "...ok" MOVING ON!
You can. Not on THIS day necessarily but there's plenty of Kennedy Steve videos to hear about the typical traffic chaos at JFK (which is so NOT helped by the ramp). XD
RAY: Okay? Wait! stop! You said the two letters after the dash were Oscar-Kilo. ARCHER: Who? What? RAY: O.K.- Oscar-Kilo. ARCHER: No! "Okay"! Like, "Okay, now I'm gonna tell you what they are." RAY: Yeah, and then you didn't! ARCHER: I thought we skipped that part! RAY: Skipped a step in disarming a bomb. ARCHER: Yeah, which I thought was pretty irresponsible on your part! RAY: Why do you always do this? ARCHER: Why do you always not shut up? ARCHER/LANA: Ow. ARCHER: Stop. RAY: On the radio, when we answer in the affirmative, we say "roger." ARCHER: O-Roger. Sorry. Ray.
The controller was out of line with the Caribbean pilot when he said he heard him the first time. The first time the pilot said he was about to establish ILS. Then later he stated he has now established. Not the same thing.
As an ATC, and in that situation, I totally understand the controller. That information is totally irrelevant. If I don't say anything back, don't insist. Pilots should listen to the radio before they pushed and talk
Non-English mind responding to "Are you cleared to the gate?": Internal monologue: "Am I cleared-to-the-gate?" "Wait, why are they clearing the gates?" "Is it something special they do in this airport that I should know about?" "Anyways, I wasn't clearing them, I was just flying the plane" "Wait. Maybe they mean if the gate is free and available" "Maybe I should have called the gate and asked them to clear previous passengers or something" "Or maybe previous aircraft" "Maybe previous aircraft did not get the clearance" "Oooooooh, they mean CLEARANCE to the gate, welp"
I guess it contains the sentence "clear to the gate". Your brain is figuring out who tower is talking to and, when you realize it is you, you just hear the last part...
20 years as a EMS dispatcher and I can confidently say that air traffic control is a job I could not do! And I have A LOT of experience with radio traffic and multi-tasking. Bless them is all I can say! And I'm glad that as a passenger, we mostly remain unaware of the cluster-fuckery around us..🙌😂
Kennedy Steve would have had a good time with this. No matter the situation, he always tried to put a funny spin on things when he could and still got the job done.
I wish Kennedy Steve was still working ground, he would have been epic in a situation like this to hear him at the top of his game, straightening out this mess would have been glorious
@@staystrong8966 That was Steve's special talent. There was no one else who could make you laugh while giving you some instructions you really weren't all that thrilled with.
@@Hubjeep can you please add some more replies to yourself in which you accuse yourself of being a "grammar nazi", and then accuse yourself of being a basement-dweller. thanks.
Thanks VASAviation. I really like the original content you add to the basic ATC recordings in the form of dynamic display, captions, and commentary. I learn a great about aviation from your videos.
Lined up for departure at Tullamarine Melbourne, early evening, only one runway in use for arrivals and departures..was about 5 in the line, and out to the right as far as I could see was a line of lights of incoming flights..it was like watching a really well choreographed dance...with such precise timing, I wondered what would happen if the timing got stuffed up. The answer came a few years later when an aircraft was too slow in clearing the runway, which caused the incoming plane to make a go around, which in turn put him within 1km of another aircraft...it was a great piece of flying..by that pilot..who managed 3 big moments all at once...and 3 plane loads of people all got home safely for dinner.
I dunno why but I can imagine AFP95 going like : "Alright if we don't get a goddamn ounce of communication, i'm going to head out of the tower and you're all gonna end up crashing into each other".
Thank you so much for sharing these videos. I'm not a pilot nor working with traffic, but a deicer/ground controller. I just love this stuff and want to learn new everyday.
1986.... JFK... I was on the right side of the plane and could see the planes starting their takeoff run ahead and to our right, but we were getting closer and closer. When we had just a few hundred yards to go to.... the plane turned left and we could see a full 2 miles of airplanes lined up on the other runway....
I appreciate the impossible situation the controllers were in but still that last TWR controller was right on the line of unprofessional conduct with his repeated sarcastic calls. Pilots aren't just sitting there reading a book waiting to talk to ATC, they're very busy updating the company with important information that helps the company get the passengers to their final destination. Remember, many passengers have connecting flights they need to catch at the next stop.
Still though safety has priotity over getting customers on a connecting flight, you can anyways only give certain 100% information about your new arrival time once you're in the air which means if you fly to madrid the ground offices still have 7-9 hours to adjust all the delays and handle them.
@moi paslui he was injecting a little sarcastic humor. Sometimes stressful situations you need to break the ice at some point. The Iberia pilots answer back shows they understood this!
Those weren't run-ways, they were park-ways! ... Or any expressway at rush hour. Thanks for the graphics -- they really helped to explain the situation.
I know this is a year old but if they were 10 minutes from timing out they were probably arrivals waiting to get into the ramp. That 10 minute call was probably them being like "hey, we are legally obligated to get where we need to fast."
@@rylandnewby nope, they were for departure, if they weren't off the ground within 10 min they wouldn't have enough worktime to make the rest of the flight.
I could of watched and listened to this for hours, JKF what an airport, I don't even think EWR could be that calm and relaxed with that much aircraft on two runways
quite nice to see the destination next the plane names, noticed a AMS (The Netherlands, Schiphol). there is usually only 1 flight (sometimes 2) a day for each North-American airport they fly to/from, the flight lands in the morning and leaves a couple hours after.
Yes, there is a language barrier as well. When they use non-standard expressions, it's harder for non-natives to capture the message at that high speed.
@@Dudeisthere When you listen to the way the question is often posed it IS a difficult question because it's just not clear and, as the evidence frequently shows, easily open to misinterpretation. Admittedly less of a problem on the ground than in the air.
Noo, you wanna get right in amongst that lot, throw yourself in the deeps end, you’ll be a better pilot for it 😂 (Not saying you’re not a good pilot already 👍)
Wow. I was (a passenger) in a line with about 17 airplanes ahead of me at JFK a few years ago. We departed four hours late that day. Now I'm a pilot and will likely fly to JFK soon. I can't wait...
Saved Delta’s ass at the end there, wow... that was about to be a LONG day for a few hundred people if that didn’t happen (not just pax but all the gate agents, baggage, transfers, crew, etc)
I was at one of those planes, there where so many parked beside each other. My plane was Delta Airlines, and we where going to GSP, short flight, but at least we where first, and not flying at that time, it was a fun day. We where in Puerto Rico, and flew 4 hours for that, it was fun!!!
It means either their fuel will be too low to perform the flight safely or the crew will go over their allowed working hours so the flight will be cancelled.
Crews have a maximum duty time that they must adhere to, otherwise they are not legal to fly. Usually around 16 hours in a given 24 hour period. This time normally starts on push back.
Air crews are only legally allowed to work a certain amount of time in a day/week/month/quarter/year etc. So likely the delay was so long that if they did the flight they would bust regulations by the time they landed and the company could be fined. See 14 CFR Part 121 crew rest requirements
Based on the flight limitations of the crew on that flight, on that day there is a defined time that the flight must be airborne, or someone will exceed their crew duty limits. Nice way to get to the front of that departure line....
@@Fitz710 same. I'd never get anything done lol. The funny thing is the house I grew up in was next to the airport so I got to see them take off and land all the time and yet I still love watching it.
that is insane... Landing on 31L, departure on 13R...the same runway but from both directions. Only at JFK will you see an arrival coming into the face of a departure and have tower say "its pretty common" So 22L on this particular day was the queue line for departure then... during that entire time no one can get up to pee =D
It's pretty uncommon, I think, that you would clear somebody to land when there's arriving and departing traffic ahead. I think maybe that was the cofusion for him?
Most gates at Kennedy are in non movement areas so they don't control them. Plus companies move planes around all the time. It is probably easier to just ask since half the time the pilots don't even know yet
That's what I'm always wondering when I hear KJFK clips as well. This is a very curious unique feature that I haven't heard in any other airport. Sure, gates are the responsibility of the airport and moving areas are the responsibility of air traffic control, but still there usually is way better coordination. In EDDF for example (biggest airport in germany and second or third in europe) they sit on two adjacent floors of the tower, one litterally directly underneath the other.
@@flyingdaytrader I know, My point it when say American are ready to receive an aircraft they send an electronic message to the controller which says "stand 123 enter via Zulu Zulul" and the controller does it, It would save a load of time and the sort of thing we would do at Heathrow if ATC didnt control everything.
@@QemeH Hi well alot of the big airport in the US have ramps that are controlled in some case by airlines, so not unique as such, just seems to be very antiquated with technology as it is now it really should be differcult for the to controlling freq to alk to eachother with text / ready messages,
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Lots of negatives about Kennedy get posted, but usually when weather, bottlenecks etc. happen, these guys are right on it. They had only one runway available during a snow event and handled it very well. The largest line up and wait line I ever counted amounted to 23 planes waiting their turn. The ones at the end looked all jumbled up as control was trying to find spaces for them.
Wow it’s great to see you are back 😀😀 did UA-cam understood the channel now and grant the monetisation ????
Is there an untrimmed version of this? Or is this just how JFK sounds all the time?
I died laughing at that nonchalant
”Okay...”
“Okay. You understand?”
“Yeah, yeah, yeah”
“Okay, yeah, you are... Okay.”
Both like yeah whatever ...
Yeah
ATC Internal Monologue: What the ****?!? DUDE, Standard terminology!!! We don't have time for deciphering what the hell 'okay, okay, okay' means: "Okaaaay, yeah, you are..."
ATC Rational brain: You know what he means, don't jam up the radio now. Now's not the time to call it out; we've got WAY bigger fish to fry. "...ok" MOVING ON!
man, i came to the comments just looking for this lol uehuehueheuheuheuheu yeah yeah yeah
The most pathetic and unprofessional RT from that driver (not a true pilot).
Wolf radiotelephony is designed to avoid any form of confusion.
Best readback I've heard on freq at a busy airport, "Okay, (...) Yeah, yeah, yeah"
...w/o callsign.
callsign yeah-yeah-yeah say intentions
And at the end with TWR saying "... you ok?"
Callsign Triple Yankee Mike Foxtrot Alpha.
This is tower frequency. I can't even imagine ground frequency
Would seem pretty simple to me, for that night: "Airline 1234, taxi to 22R , snug up to Airline 5678 and please shut down..." lol
AND this was during our construction!
You can. Not on THIS day necessarily but there's plenty of Kennedy Steve videos to hear about the typical traffic chaos at JFK (which is so NOT helped by the ramp). XD
@@nerysghemor5781 I loved Steve's comments about the people at the ramp!
@@MrMiD.Life.Crisis Yeah. 🤣
"... you can shut down"
*Sound of a million engines shutting down*
Lol
*EPA smiles maliciously*
“You can shut down”
Buuuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwww
Ground crew: huh, what a nice day, no sounds whatsoever!
747 likes, nice achievement.
Lots of passive aggressiveness, sounds like a fun day.
behinderteleberwurst Sounds like every New Yorker I know lol
I love it! Fellow NYer 😘
It's really just New York...
Standard day in the twr at JFK
Classic New Yorker
Caribbean 550 should have replied to landing clearance with “I heard you the first time” 🤣
"Tower, Caribbean 550, didn't think readback was required here because you didn't answer my last call"
Yeah I don't think I would have let that pass by...lolol..
Tower was being an ass to caribbean 550!
matt b tower is quite busy, as you can see. There si no need at all to spend any seco de of his precious time to say anything to him
😂
Did I just hear that JetBlue pilot acknowledge a landing clearance by saying “ok”???
RAY: Okay? Wait! stop! You said the two letters after the dash were Oscar-Kilo.
ARCHER: Who? What?
RAY: O.K.- Oscar-Kilo.
ARCHER: No! "Okay"! Like, "Okay, now I'm gonna tell you what they are."
RAY: Yeah, and then you didn't!
ARCHER: I thought we skipped that part!
RAY: Skipped a step in disarming a bomb.
ARCHER: Yeah, which I thought was pretty irresponsible on your part!
RAY: Why do you always do this?
ARCHER: Why do you always not shut up?
ARCHER/LANA: Ow.
ARCHER: Stop.
RAY: On the radio, when we answer in the affirmative, we say "roger."
ARCHER: O-Roger. Sorry. Ray.
This makes me miss Kennedy Steve
6:00 The new Kennedy Steve?
@@ThePorkypete51 Ha Ha my thoughts EXACTLY. If you didn't make this comments I surely would have. Happy Holidays
Who's Kennedy Steve?
@@aleccross3535 If that's not a joke, use the youtube search, you're in for a treat.
@@aleccross3535 The best ATC controller (now retired) of all times. You can find clips on youtube. Look him up, sit back and enjoy.
Okay, yeah yeah yeah. Pretty sure that’s standard vocabulary
That's JetBlue standard for ya lol
ICAO standard ;)
The controller was out of line with the Caribbean pilot when he said he heard him the first time. The first time the pilot said he was about to establish ILS. Then later he stated he has now established. Not the same thing.
I'd say it's to let them know to keep the no. of messages down with that much traffic
He would have said to keep radio traffic to a minimum. He was a smart ass to them and not only to them.
seekerp67 you don’t have to tell people to keep it to a minimum it’s protocol
I don't know why I even commented. What the hell do I know?
As an ATC, and in that situation, I totally understand the controller. That information is totally irrelevant. If I don't say anything back, don't insist. Pilots should listen to the radio before they pushed and talk
"Are you cleared to the gate" is a question that seems to confound every non english-speaking pilot...
I think they just hear cleared to the gate in their minds.
Because that expression is generally only used at some US airports.
Non-English mind responding to "Are you cleared to the gate?":
Internal monologue:
"Am I cleared-to-the-gate?"
"Wait, why are they clearing the gates?"
"Is it something special they do in this airport that I should know about?"
"Anyways, I wasn't clearing them, I was just flying the plane"
"Wait. Maybe they mean if the gate is free and available"
"Maybe I should have called the gate and asked them to clear previous passengers or something"
"Or maybe previous aircraft"
"Maybe previous aircraft did not get the clearance"
"Oooooooh, they mean CLEARANCE to the gate, welp"
I guess it contains the sentence "clear to the gate". Your brain is figuring out who tower is talking to and, when you realize it is you, you just hear the last part...
IKR
Captain: “But I just started up”
Twr: “Yeah well, I think she shuts down the same way, just kinda in reverse order? Anyhow...Just shut em down, boys”
20 years as a EMS dispatcher and I can confidently say that air traffic control is a job I could not do! And I have A LOT of experience with radio traffic and multi-tasking. Bless them is all I can say! And I'm glad that as a passenger, we mostly remain unaware of the cluster-fuckery around us..🙌😂
Thank you for your service. 💖
"You better be ready." Hahaha 6:12
"You promise"?
ah.. the stereotype of the spanish pilot going for la siesta while lined up.
The emojis made me laugh
Nice to hear that )
Needed a laugh anyways
They catch me every time
Kennedy Steve would have had a good time with this. No matter the situation, he always tried to put a funny spin on things when he could and still got the job done.
Kennedy Steve would have a fucking field day with this
I wish Kennedy Steve was still working ground, he would have been epic in a situation like this to hear him at the top of his game, straightening out this mess would have been glorious
@@arnoldsherrill6305 At least we can still enjoy him on YT. What a great guy. I'm sure a lot of pilots are still missing him too.
Oh god Steve would have either:
1. had it all cleared in 14 minutes or
2. had them pissing themselves laughing while they waited.
@@staystrong8966 That was Steve's special talent. There was no one else who could make you laugh while giving you some instructions you really weren't all that thrilled with.
6:53 That's a smooth/cool way to ask if they're is going to be a big delay without ruffling feathers!
Correction: *there
@@Hubjeep can you please add some more replies to yourself in which you accuse yourself of being a "grammar nazi", and then accuse yourself of being a basement-dweller. thanks.
@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 yea lol
"Delta 474 Caution on landing you have traffic all over the airport"
Kyline Gudy kind a was
1:30
ATC: "OK, do you understand?
JB: "Oh, yeah,yeahhhh, yeah...! 🤣🤣😂😂😂
Thanks VASAviation. I really like the original content you add to the basic ATC recordings in the form of dynamic display, captions, and commentary. I learn a great about aviation from your videos.
Shutting down engines on the taxiway was like every other day when I was based there. :)
They were sitting on runways dude.22 left and right were full of planes just sitting there
Demonslayer20111 I know. That’s happened to me too.
@@saxmanb777 Are you a pilot?
@@vojta4045 yes
True dat! I fly out of JFK regularly, and a decent percentage of my departures we taxi out on one engine because the conga line is so long.
Lined up for departure at Tullamarine Melbourne, early evening, only one runway in use for arrivals and departures..was about 5 in the line, and out to the right as far as I could see was a line of lights of incoming flights..it was like watching a really well choreographed dance...with such precise timing, I wondered what would happen if the timing got stuffed up. The answer came a few years later when an aircraft was too slow in clearing the runway, which caused the incoming plane to make a go around, which in turn put him within 1km of another aircraft...it was a great piece of flying..by that pilot..who managed 3 big moments all at once...and 3 plane loads of people all got home safely for dinner.
I dunno why but I can imagine AFP95 going like :
"Alright if we don't get a goddamn ounce of communication, i'm going to head out of the tower and you're all gonna end up crashing into each other".
yeah
Thank you so much for sharing these videos. I'm not a pilot nor working with traffic, but a deicer/ground controller. I just love this stuff and want to learn new everyday.
I love that this guy has fun with his job, while having tons of responsibility on his hands. Nice job!
Timelapse of that whole event would be EPIC...loads of work, but EPIC.
1986.... JFK... I was on the right side of the plane and could see the planes starting their takeoff run ahead and to our right, but we were getting closer and closer. When we had just a few hundred yards to go to.... the plane turned left and we could see a full 2 miles of airplanes lined up on the other runway....
This is one of those situations where a member of the airport chaplain's office needs to be up in the tower in order to bless this mess
I thought it was to give last rites to smooth traffic flow.
@@bryceleinan haha I like urs better
Pinky promise emoji had me 💀😂
Kennedy Steve is the man !!!!! He is just naturally gifted at this !!!
I appreciate the impossible situation the controllers were in but still that last TWR controller was right on the line of unprofessional conduct with his repeated sarcastic calls. Pilots aren't just sitting there reading a book waiting to talk to ATC, they're very busy updating the company with important information that helps the company get the passengers to their final destination. Remember, many passengers have connecting flights they need to catch at the next stop.
That ATC earned his money. Pilots also earned theirs. A Christmas bonus should be paid. That was multitasking big time.
Still though safety has priotity over getting customers on a connecting flight, you can anyways only give certain 100% information about your new arrival time once you're in the air which means if you fly to madrid the ground offices still have 7-9 hours to adjust all the delays and handle them.
@moi paslui he was injecting a little sarcastic humor. Sometimes stressful situations you need to break the ice at some point. The Iberia pilots answer back shows they understood this!
Meh didn't sound too rude. I'd have replied "pinky swear" haha
@@gatechecked Haha, Happy New Year, pinky swear!
5:32 prompted thoughts of Air China 981 hahahahaha
Those weren't run-ways, they were park-ways! ... Or any expressway at rush hour.
Thanks for the graphics -- they really helped to explain the situation.
This Controller was the right amount of tough when necessary while also keeping things as light as possible. Enjoyed listening to him!
Thank you VASAviation. This is good fun to listen to
Oh this ATC is hilarious. Love him! "We will, we will!"
"Promise?"
That ATC trained with Steve. I’d bet a pay check on it.
You’re videos are always spot on! Thanks for all of the awesome uploads.
Thank you Alex!
So much sass in those NY controllers 😂
This guy was probably trained, or, at the very least, worked with Kennedy Steve. Good stuff man!
Aeroflot: I am on November Bravo!
ATC: Yep.. Exactly my point!!
Wonder if that Delta close to timing out took off in time, or had to return to terminal and face pissed off passengers, while a backup crew was found?
I know this is a year old but if they were 10 minutes from timing out they were probably arrivals waiting to get into the ramp. That 10 minute call was probably them being like "hey, we are legally obligated to get where we need to fast."
@@rylandnewby nope, they were for departure, if they weren't off the ground within 10 min they wouldn't have enough worktime to make the rest of the flight.
I could of watched and listened to this for hours, JKF what an airport, I don't even think EWR could be that calm and relaxed with that much aircraft on two runways
JFK ATC never fail to humor us lol. Great upload keep them coming especially from JFK.
I would love to be able to see the METAR and NOTAMS in the ATIS during this time frame. What a mess. ATC surely earned their nickel for the day!
Honestly would love to see a longer video of this. Now this is really interesting stuff to watch and learn about
This has to be the most tense job in the world. Great job by the controller keeping everyone safe.
This can't be real. Tower is hilarious 🤣. I would be laughing my ass off hearing this!
1:23
Cant stop laughing
Are you guys forgetting these people in ATC are NEW YORKERS !!! 😂😂😂 I wouldn’t expect anything less from my hometown.
LOL jetBlue: “we have traffic departing in front of us”
Tower: “Yea that’s pretty common”
🤣🤣
I'd imagine sassyness is probably the best way they have to deal with the stress
"we can get to hotel and maybe we can do something" (7:18) .... uhuh ;-)
rm5 😂😂
Go to hotel and stay the night. :)
"And let me know when you're there!" 😏
quite nice to see the destination next the plane names, noticed a AMS (The Netherlands, Schiphol). there is usually only 1 flight (sometimes 2) a day for each North-American airport they fly to/from, the flight lands in the morning and leaves a couple hours after.
This phrase "are you cleared to the gate" always causes trouble. Should probably have it revised.
Yes, there is a language barrier as well. When they use non-standard expressions, it's harder for non-natives to capture the message at that high speed.
Or tower should get that that information, not the pilot.
"Gate clearance confirmation requested. Please confirm."
@@thomasdahl3083 To be honest though, thats not exactly a difficult question.
@@Dudeisthere When you listen to the way the question is often posed it IS a difficult question because it's just not clear and, as the evidence frequently shows, easily open to misinterpretation. Admittedly less of a problem on the ground than in the air.
That day when 31R was closed and you had high winds straight down the 31s (winds are at 300 and the runway is at a 301 heading).
2:54 I would've laughed _hard_ if carribean would'Ve said "I heard you the first time"
As a private pilot with only 130 hours this is why I avoid class bravo airports like the plague.
Noo, you wanna get right in amongst that lot, throw yourself in the deeps end, you’ll be a better pilot for it 😂
(Not saying you’re not a good pilot already 👍)
Wow. I was (a passenger) in a line with about 17 airplanes ahead of me at JFK a few years ago. We departed four hours late that day.
Now I'm a pilot and will likely fly to JFK soon. I can't wait...
Saved Delta’s ass at the end there, wow... that was about to be a LONG day for a few hundred people if that didn’t happen (not just pax but all the gate agents, baggage, transfers, crew, etc)
I'm sorry all the little planes packed into every inch of the tarmac like that made me burst out laughing it looks ridiculous 😂
6:16 "Punch It on my call mister Sulu"
We willy, we willy, love the spaniards!!
I was stressed just listening to that lol
I remeber that day well. I was in swiss lx15 going to zürich and we was on the ground for 2 hours. It felt so stupid. Good video!
4:00 Love that Russian accent!
and spanish at 6:07
Fantastic video. Great editing, Kennedy providing great content as always, just very well done.
Listening to this makes me miss Kennedy Steve.
What a mess. 10/10 to all controllers keeping above the mess.
I know nothing else is so famous as JFK chatter, but these wonderful maestros in the control towers are also comedians!
Love listening to the ATC people at JFK but wow - always with the attitude! OK, difficult circumstances but as I say, ALWAYS with the attitude.
I was at one of those planes, there where so many parked beside each other. My plane was Delta Airlines, and we where going to GSP, short flight, but at least we where first, and not flying at that time, it was a fun day. We where in Puerto Rico, and flew 4 hours for that, it was fun!!!
Ha ha ha... Now, this situation is not a nightmare. It’s a gorgeous dream.
Its very good that you're back!!!
6:16 "Both the Romping and the Rolling lights are green, standing by! Iberia 6252."
"Go to Hotel and maybe we can do something."
Oooh, kinky.
Aeroflot pulled a air China on that gate question.
I love these ATC transcripts 😂😂😂😂
We 2 or 3 tower controllers shuffling out every 40 minutes so we don’t see this level of stress. This guy here is close to hyperventilating
The female atc was amazing, so clear speaking...
Lol rip delta 747’s, but that was pretty funny when jfk twr said Delta 474 heavy
So they were using 22L and 22R as taxiways? I assume that the single runway that was open was either 31R or 31L.
Delta 2321 had 2 options at that time, go to HOTEL and think of something, or go to hotel.
Absolutely loved the Iberia interaction
What Delta 2321 mean when he says "about 10 mn before we time out" ? At 7:06
It means either their fuel will be too low to perform the flight safely or the crew will go over their allowed working hours so the flight will be cancelled.
Crews have a maximum duty time that they must adhere to, otherwise they are not legal to fly. Usually around 16 hours in a given 24 hour period. This time normally starts on push back.
Air crews are only legally allowed to work a certain amount of time in a day/week/month/quarter/year etc. So likely the delay was so long that if they did the flight they would bust regulations by the time they landed and the company could be fined. See 14 CFR Part 121 crew rest requirements
Based on the flight limitations of the crew on that flight, on that day there is a defined time that the flight must be airborne, or someone will exceed their crew duty limits. Nice way to get to the front of that departure line....
@@mduralia right, thanks :)
Why 31R was not available at that time?
Construction for most of the summer. Opened back in November.
Merov00 id get fired for watching planes land / take off if I worked on that construction site
Tom Fizz / Well I imagine stopping to look at every takeoff from jfk would mean you would never get anything done :)
@@mlarta Yup, I remember that. The runway, among other things, was widened and expanded. Can't remember the cost but it was humongous.
@@Fitz710 same. I'd never get anything done lol. The funny thing is the house I grew up in was next to the airport so I got to see them take off and land all the time and yet I still love watching it.
6:03 You must be ready to Gooooooo
that is insane... Landing on 31L, departure on 13R...the same runway but from both directions. Only at JFK will you see an arrival coming into the face of a departure and have tower say "its pretty common"
So 22L on this particular day was the queue line for departure then... during that entire time no one can get up to pee =D
They were both taking off and landing on 31L. Otherwise they couldn't line up on 22L, they'd need the other end of the runway.
4:55 Reminds me to Air China
Love these guys. ; )
Steve retires and all hell breaks out.
So many controllers trying to be Kennedy Steve :)
You say that like it's a bad thing…
Being Kennedy I was surprised that the first controller could be understood and didn't have an attitude but they fixed that right away didn't they.
JB1901 ffs be professional! Yeah, yeah yeah... Okay?
Thinks the whole airport revolves around him.
It's pretty uncommon, I think, that you would clear somebody to land when there's arriving and departing traffic ahead. I think maybe that was the cofusion for him?
That’s a valid concern but a sarcastic “okayy” isn’t the way to respond. On ATC frequency, that means nothing.
@@andyhui01 For sure, I agree. That controller could totally have had a better attitude though, let's be honest.
I have so many questions where 22l and 22r all waiting to depart? #2 why so many at once?
What does crew time out mean
- Affirm
- only one runway open
- crew duty time exceeded
@@VASAviation i appreciate you responding
I’m Sporean so to have a Spore Airline plane in the line up there sounds cool to hear😉👌🏻
"Delta 117 you'll have to wait on 22R, I've just had a nervous breakdown."
@3:55 You mean there is a while other line on 22L?
As a student pilot who lives in the NYC area. The only good thing about training here is you get used to people talking fast over the radio
They really need to sort out how they clear things into gate, surely theres a better way for ATC to know other than asking the crew.
Most gates at Kennedy are in non movement areas so they don't control them. Plus companies move planes around all the time. It is probably easier to just ask since half the time the pilots don't even know yet
That's what I'm always wondering when I hear KJFK clips as well. This is a very curious unique feature that I haven't heard in any other airport. Sure, gates are the responsibility of the airport and moving areas are the responsibility of air traffic control, but still there usually is way better coordination. In EDDF for example (biggest airport in germany and second or third in europe) they sit on two adjacent floors of the tower, one litterally directly underneath the other.
@@flyingdaytrader I know, My point it when say American are ready to receive an aircraft they send an electronic message to the controller which says "stand 123 enter via Zulu Zulul" and the controller does it, It would save a load of time and the sort of thing we would do at Heathrow if ATC didnt control everything.
@@QemeH Hi well alot of the big airport in the US have ramps that are controlled in some case by airlines, so not unique as such, just seems to be very antiquated with technology as it is now it really should be differcult for the to controlling freq to alk to eachother with text / ready messages,
@@QemeH I think Frankfurt is 4th or 5th ^^
Edit: it looks like it is 4th actually.