Before Bumrah became regular in recent times in home tests for India, Umesh Yadav, Shami and Ishant Sharma were taking a lot of wickets for India in the Indian conditions. My point is India is not a one trick pony at home anymore.
I never imagined as kid that India would have such depth in fast bowling that ppl like Ishant and Umesh would disappear and no one would care. In the 90s Umesh would play every match just for his pace even of he bowled badly.
As much as I like Ishant and Umesh their stats just aren't very convincing. both of them average over 30 which honestly just isn't very good. I was a fan of Ishant especially kinda his later years under kohli
@@paramtageja6891 he's talking about home tests, Umesh was a beast with the old ball in India, he averages around 25 in India IIRC. Ishant 2.0 was good everywhere home and away
Tbh 1950s England is indeed imho the best bet, Lock and Laker as two fantastic spinners, Truman, Statham, and Tyson as fast bowling battery, plus Bedsar as the tight bowler in occasional dicey pitches, Barrington and Hutton as legendary batsmen, hardly any lefties. Fits the bill.
The 2010 India side with 1. Gambhir (averaging a quiet 50+), Sehwag (was coming off Galle and now in the best batting year of his career) and Sachin (1500+ runs at 80+, one of the best years any batsman has ever had) were all trading the No.1 batsman ranking over the year, 2. Laxman played 4 clutch match winning innings (SL home 3rd test 4th innings, Aus home 2nd test 4th innings from 120/8 to 198 on a bad back Vs 1:30 odds, NZ home 1st test 1st innings from 17/5 and SA away 2nd test, led all scorers with both his innings on either team). The 2nd and 4th were especially unreal. 3. Older Rahul F’in Dravid the weak link of that top 6 averaging 43 with 3 centuries in 12 innings and Dhoni who averaged 46 at home (while weak away) over a long career. 4. Nearly all of them were top tier players against spin too with SRT and Sehwag being possibly top 3-4 ever so playing at home would only help them. 5. Zaheer coming of leading NZ and Eng tour wins in the last 2 years (not achieved by current side), in the form of his life, taking 60 wickets in 12 tests @ 22 in 2010 and 2011, trading back and forth the second best bowler in the world after Steyn spot with Anderson. The modern side is mid/unsure to a man against swing so old ball Zak would be very rough for them. Its weird because I think the current side is a better side than that side in terms of beating the average team at home but there’s no way due to batting strength reasons that the current side would match up well at all with a broken batting line up of virtuoso spin players nearly all humming in perfect form like that. That team would work harder to eke out every possible win due to flat pitches and bowling quality/depth but it would be nearly possible to actually beat them at home with a spin attack. The more favourable you make the pitch to spin, the more the gap between harbhajan and Ashwin/Jadeja decreases while the batting gap remains large. In a 5 match series, there is very hard to find a situation 2010 No.1 side India loses to any version of Kohli India at home even though Kohli India is better suited to whitewashing lineups weaker to spin.
India lost 4 games since that 2012-13 Home Test Series against England. And here are those 4 matches with eventual test series result. 1) Border Gavaskar Trophy 2017, India lost to Australia in first test itself on a raging turner. Eventual series result: India 2-1 (4 tests) 2) Anthony de Mello Trophy (India vs England) 2021 England beat India in 1st test at Chennai, Thanks to Joe Root's brilliant double hundred. Eventual series result: India 3-1 (4 tests) 3) Border Gavaskar Trophy 2023 Australia beat India in Indore again on a raging turner on a low scoring encounter. Eventual Series Result: India 2-1 (4 tests). 4) Anthony de Mello Trophy (Ind vs Eng) England won the first test against India thanks to brilliant performance by Ollie Pope and rookie spinners. Eventual Series result: Ind 4-1 (5 tests).
If I could remember, BGT 2017 was not that one-sided as it may seem. Specially in second test, Australia only needed something around 180, and that could have actually awarded India a series loss, India could win it only because of Ashwin's brilliance, giving us his signature "headshot" clip. He took fifer I think in that match.
Australia and England have challenged India a lot in the last 7 years especially at home. Mostly it's because our batters are struggling to score big runs (150+) even at home which is a sign of concern..
This was such an over hyped episode - NZ are almost beating India now. I think India has become a bit weaker since many young players are transitioning into the team and Jaddu has become a bit less potent etc. Can be a bit more level headed tbh
That 2005 Australia victory is a lot of luck and the struggle for power in Indian administration. Luck: Sachin just coming back from career threatening injury. It rained in the last test that saved Australia. Administration in-flight: Shashank Manohar at that was undermining Ganguly and Dalmiya. He gave green seamer to Australia in his association that was like handing a test victory on plate to Aussies.
If I could remember, BGT 2017 was not that one-sided as it may seem. Specially in second test, Australia only needed something around 180, and that could have actually awarded India a series loss, India could win it only because of Ashwin's brilliance, giving us his signature "headshot" clip. He took fifer I think in that match. Eventually India won the series 2-1.
19:10 Jerrord did raised a valid point regarding Tim Bresnan or for that matter having an allrounder. And yes in that series against India in 2012, England didn't had any genuine allrounder. Instead their top order batters compwnsated for that by scoring tonnsbof runs. One more thing is, the lower order of England did contributed decently and one can not forget about the contribution made by Swann, Samit Patel, Matt Prior etc through which England added valuable runs. One more interesting thing which Jerrod raised was for India to loose a series in India Indian batters have to perform quite poorly. This happend in 2004 against Australia, 2012-13 against England and even though India didn't lost a series against SA, England or Australia in recent times there were odd games which were won by these teamsbin various series. Interestingly in all such series the main reason for India to lose those games were the failure of batters.
Fair to say that England too weren't had any chance in the 2024 tour of India even though they played on much better pitches than what they got in 2021 series. Not to mention the emerge of English team under this new reign of Bazball. Still they were completely tharashed by a spirited Indian team through good cricket only (Thanks to Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja and others) on good batting surfaces. 😅😅😅
Not having Harry Brook was a big setback for them. India too didn't have Virat, Pant, Rahul but we expect India to win at home since we have a big talent pool atleast in batting..
A Chopra, V Sehwag, R Dravid, S tendulkar, S Ganguly, VVS Laxman, P Patel, A Kumble, H singh, Z Khan and J Srinath. Not sure if this team ever played together but could at some point in 2002. This team can probably beat current India if you consider the players at their respective peaks
great batting lineup but in bowling kumble and ashwin are the only one playing on same sort of level, with due respect to zaheer, srinath and bhaji they might be close to Ishant, Siraj, shami, kuldeep/Axar you add to that Jadeja with his batting abilities and the best bowler in the world Jaspreet Bumrah, they are head and shoulders above the 2002 team
Australia got pretty close in the last tour. They had one bad session in the second test. Had they built a good total it could have given them a series win
The 1999 Pakistan team is the obvious choice for me. Not familiar with the teams from the 1930s and 1960s. But this lineup will give a tough fight(most likely lose, but still) - Saeed Anwar, Afridi, Md. Yusuf, Inzy, Salim Malik, Azhar Mahmood, Moin Khan, Wasim, Saqlain, Shoaib, Waqar. You've got a medium pace allrounder, a fast leg spinning allrounder (both young at this point, so not as established but the talent was there - Mahmood had made 100s against SA around this time, and Afridi had made a century against india too). World class fast bowling and spinner (put aside the chucking allegations) and 3 top tier batters otherwise - Anwar, Inzy, Yusuf. The obvious weak link is Malik at 5
The below team would be the ideal eleven to take on & challenge current team in India: . Cook Hayden Root Lara KP Gilchrist (w) Imran C) Wasim Murali Warne McGrath Saqlain (12th)
The England's 2012 team can compete but can't win against this Indian Team. In 2012 they faced an Indian team which was not pushing for victories. That Indian team had a safe playing style. But current Indian team (especially after Kohli became captain) are pushing for victories in every match.
I would say - Beyond the 1st layer of backups - Axar and Kuldeep - there are quite a few young spinners coming through who should be getting chances post the border gavaskar trophy. Tanush Kotian is one - off spinner with batting ability and a Manav Suthar who is in the Jadeja mould again with aggressive left hand batting and left arm spin - both around 25 years of age. So the shed isn't empty!
The Australian system of generating and guiding, developing and blooding, cricketers, is the envy of the world. From tots in the back yard, to walking out with a baggy green at Lords or the G, there is not a single country, even India, which does it as well as Australia does it. The system might need some tweaking atm, and I reckon there are some people at CA who need to F off right good, and I also think there is some cultural elements creeping in at the administrative level, not the developmental one, that can also get EFFED and WOULD NOT have happened back when say The Don ran the show...... but all in all... these are small blips, related to specific people, who cannot change the over all system too much anyway, and will not be there forever.... .....because of this, Australia IS ALWAYS a threat. They can turn it around in an instant. They can. Forget all the little stats, all the specifics of the environmental factors, all the atypicals and little moments of luck on their side or not the oppositions, forget what on paper says.... stepping back, and looking at how they roll, Australia are always there in that conversation. Any Australia. Australia could lose the BGT at home, FIVE NIL, in an absolute HUMILIATING SMASHING.... then go on and lose the next three test series, the Ashes included, every ODI, and wash out of the CT, look like they learnt their Cricket in Moldova the next ten T20i series... but still arrive in India next time for the next Tests series, against INDIA, in INDIA, and from nothing... WIN. Not just win. Destroy. It makes no sense. It cannot be true. Everyone would dispute it, looking at it logically, and statistically, and scientifically, and biomechanically in the actual art of the beautiful game of Cricket.... but if you watch Cricket, you know, it just is. I doubt any serious, and experienced Indian fan, at least any over say 25, would contest this. Everyone knows it. That should be a CREDIT to India, because it sounded a little at first like in the that initial discussion about how close the next best to a dominant team of any era was, in this case Aussies of the 90s, and Windies of the 80s....that their dominance was at a time when they had to FIGHT for it, because there was another heir to the crown of the best.... but India somehow, have not, because there is no one. Not true. There is ALWAYS Australia, and that is just facts. So for India to be so good, especially do dominant at home, in world where Australia like playing cricket, and what that has yielded, is a big up for India and Indian cricket.
In 2012, Indian batting was also on the brink of transition. Ashwin and Jadeja couldn't bat like they can now. Sachin,Sehwag were passed their prime. Virat was still struggling to score in test cricket.
If u go all time..may be a 1996-2000 srilanka or a 1991-2000 pakistan may have a chance to beat this team.....i repeat "may have a chance "...no sureity at all ....this opinion is from the frame of mind that srilanka had good spinners and above decent pacers that era..also ghey were pretty great aganist spin....but still bumrah stands out.....pakiatan also hd quality spinners in khadir and saqlain also imran ,wasim waqar who are really good with reverse swing in their armory....
There probably might be riots here in India lol, considering that 1) India and NZ have faced off 35 times (somewhere around that number, not too sure), and the Kiwis have only managed to pull off a series win twice against us, the last one coming in the 90s if I remember correctly 2) The current team is riding a massive wave of goodwill, partly due to the hype generated by our media, and partly due to the good performances in ICC knockouts recently. We are a commonwealth nation after all, so naturally we inherited English media's biggest flaw - "build you up, break you down". Case in point being our women's cricket team, before the t20 WC ongoing right now, people were hyped up about them, now there's a lot of revisionism going on about the quality of our team lol 3) If India get no wins in this series, they have to whitewash (yes, I'm not kidding) Aus in the Border-Gavaskar trophy to qualify for the WTC without relying on SA/SL to screw up their tests. If India get a win (NZ win the series 2-1), they have to win 4 out of 5 in the BGT. These are extreme scenarios tbh, which will happen if either SA or SL win all their remaining tests (not impossible considering their current form and level of opposition). Considering how the WTC mace is the only missing trophy in the cabinet, us Indians are desperate to win it this time, since the last 2 times have been a fiasco to say the least (neither finals being at least a competition from our side) There's gonna be an even bigger backlash than post-2023 WC final if India screw up this series
For some of us who grew up watching test cricket in the 90s it feels incredibly amazing to live in an era of one sided indian domination, and i say this with utmost humility because we have seen and felt the humiliation that was at most times overt on and off the field with dollops of racism involved, i will never forget the image of Aussie players shoving aside an old Sharad Pawar who came to give them a cup.
No way you're saying Aussies were in the wrong for the Sharad Pawar incident. He was there to give them the cup not celebrate with them. And he wasn't leaving when he had already handed the trophy
@@paramtageja6891 I saw that happening on live TV and even for my young eyes then I wondered what was the need to shove him aside so disrespectfully as if he was going to take the cup with him home, if you can find the video here on YT you can clearly see they didn't even give him a minute and it became a huge issue in the media afterwards following that incident, but India didn't have the clout back then, I dare any international player to pull something like that today on Indian soil much less a aussie and see what happens afterwards, you know it as well as I do, no has the guts to Try something like that today.
@@magnusrex579 will any australian cricketers now do it obviously not that's because there not as big of a personalities anymore. If any of the Australian personalities who play rugby league and Afl who are huge and jacked to the core were in cricket they wouldn't give a flying F. And finally Sharad Pawar was the one in the wrong in that incident he was supposed to give them the cup not celebrate with them. If you also look at the world cup 2023 trophy presentation that's now how presentations work and it was a failure on the administrations part. It just looked bitter and disrespectful from us
@@paramtageja6891 Are You saying a Aussie Afl player because he is jacked can come here and pull of a disrespectful stunt like that today on Indian soil and still have a career left of any kind, you know it very well they only got away doing those shenanigans because there was an element of intense disrespect and racism involved towards Indians, just because they hide it well these days doesnt mean it doesn't exist, case in point was Mohhamed Siraj in BGT a few years ago, like I said none of these punks have the guts to Try that today.
@@magnusrex579 bruh I'm not saying there isn't racism in the sport. It's just the incident you are mentioning was not disrespectful to Sharad Pawar it was a very much valid response to an individual who was over staying his welcome and as was the trophy presentation in the 2023 world cup. It is an interesting view for me though how good would australia actually be if there best athletes played cricket instead of afl nrl and rugby. Especially in the last 15 years where cricket has become a secondary thought for most Australians in both playing and watching.
Amazing how wrong this analysis has turned out. You said no slow spinners and Mitch Santner wins the series. No left handers because of Ashwin and Latham, Conway and Ravindra out bat india 😂😂 Cricket can be a funny game.
@@KICK839 that is a great problem to have. But there are people in the this who doesn't get out easily, Ultimately tiring every bowler in current squad. Not much left handers in this squad and all the batsman here plays spin better than current corp.
Not sure what you are smoking but last time one of their guys took all 10 wickets and they still Lost, and Williamson has always been good but Rachin come on, even a recovering Sri Lanka bend them over backwards.
Just wait till Both Home track bullies Ashwin and Jadeja retire. The percentage of wickets these guys have taken over the last decade is very high. Also Bumrah wont be free from injuries as he ages with that high risk bowling action. Also, in couple of years, both Virat and Rohit will retire .
"Home track bullies" such a stupid term. If it was that easy to win every series at home, why hasn't every team dominated at home like India since 2012?
@@SpecificDietPlans India have won in a few different conditions in this period. Even on flat pitches, India have won and in a few games, they have also won with seam bowling. So just stop cribbing and accept how dominant India are.
Also do one "Time traveller who could lose a test series in Pakistan"
Pre Nasser England
😂😂😂
Time traveler from 11 days into the future here. I can’t believe you didn’t choose the current NZ side
Before Bumrah became regular in recent times in home tests for India, Umesh Yadav, Shami and Ishant Sharma were taking a lot of wickets for India in the Indian conditions. My point is India is not a one trick pony at home anymore.
I never imagined as kid that India would have such depth in fast bowling that ppl like Ishant and Umesh would disappear and no one would care. In the 90s Umesh would play every match just for his pace even of he bowled badly.
As much as I like Ishant and Umesh their stats just aren't very convincing. both of them average over 30 which honestly just isn't very good. I was a fan of Ishant especially kinda his later years under kohli
@@paramtageja6891 he's talking about home tests, Umesh was a beast with the old ball in India, he averages around 25 in India IIRC. Ishant 2.0 was good everywhere home and away
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@@sushantgulati you got it bro 💯 that's what my point is
Tbh 1950s England is indeed imho the best bet, Lock and Laker as two fantastic spinners, Truman, Statham, and Tyson as fast bowling battery, plus Bedsar as the tight bowler in occasional dicey pitches, Barrington and Hutton as legendary batsmen, hardly any lefties. Fits the bill.
I love both Behram and Jarrod! Excellent discussion.
The 2010 India side with
1. Gambhir (averaging a quiet 50+), Sehwag (was coming off Galle and now in the best batting year of his career) and Sachin (1500+ runs at 80+, one of the best years any batsman has ever had) were all trading the No.1 batsman ranking over the year,
2. Laxman played 4 clutch match winning innings (SL home 3rd test 4th innings, Aus home 2nd test 4th innings from 120/8 to 198 on a bad back Vs 1:30 odds, NZ home 1st test 1st innings from 17/5 and SA away 2nd test, led all scorers with both his innings on either team). The 2nd and 4th were especially unreal.
3. Older Rahul F’in Dravid the weak link of that top 6 averaging 43 with 3 centuries in 12 innings and Dhoni who averaged 46 at home (while weak away) over a long career.
4. Nearly all of them were top tier players against spin too with SRT and Sehwag being possibly top 3-4 ever so playing at home would only help them.
5. Zaheer coming of leading NZ and Eng tour wins in the last 2 years (not achieved by current side), in the form of his life, taking 60 wickets in 12 tests @ 22 in 2010 and 2011, trading back and forth the second best bowler in the world after Steyn spot with Anderson. The modern side is mid/unsure to a man against swing so old ball Zak would be very rough for them.
Its weird because I think the current side is a better side than that side in terms of beating the average team at home but there’s no way due to batting strength reasons that the current side would match up well at all with a broken batting line up of virtuoso spin players nearly all humming in perfect form like that. That team would work harder to eke out every possible win due to flat pitches and bowling quality/depth but it would be nearly possible to actually beat them at home with a spin attack. The more favourable you make the pitch to spin, the more the gap between harbhajan and Ashwin/Jadeja decreases while the batting gap remains large.
In a 5 match series, there is very hard to find a situation 2010 No.1 side India loses to any version of Kohli India at home even though Kohli India is better suited to whitewashing lineups weaker to spin.
India lost 4 games since that 2012-13 Home Test Series against England.
And here are those 4 matches with eventual test series result.
1) Border Gavaskar Trophy 2017, India lost to Australia in first test itself on a raging turner.
Eventual series result: India 2-1 (4 tests)
2) Anthony de Mello Trophy (India vs England) 2021
England beat India in 1st test at Chennai, Thanks to Joe Root's brilliant double hundred.
Eventual series result: India 3-1 (4 tests)
3) Border Gavaskar Trophy 2023
Australia beat India in Indore again on a raging turner on a low scoring encounter.
Eventual Series Result: India 2-1 (4 tests).
4) Anthony de Mello Trophy (Ind vs Eng)
England won the first test against India thanks to brilliant performance by Ollie Pope and rookie spinners.
Eventual Series result: Ind 4-1 (5 tests).
If I could remember, BGT 2017 was not that one-sided as it may seem. Specially in second test, Australia only needed something around 180, and that could have actually awarded India a series loss, India could win it only because of Ashwin's brilliance, giving us his signature "headshot" clip. He took fifer I think in that match.
Australia and England have challenged India a lot in the last 7 years especially at home. Mostly it's because our batters are struggling to score big runs (150+) even at home which is a sign of concern..
This was such an over hyped episode - NZ are almost beating India now. I think India has become a bit weaker since many young players are transitioning into the team and Jaddu has become a bit less potent etc. Can be a bit more level headed tbh
That 2005 Australia victory is a lot of luck and the struggle for power in Indian administration.
Luck: Sachin just coming back from career threatening injury.
It rained in the last test that saved Australia.
Administration in-flight: Shashank Manohar at that was undermining Ganguly and Dalmiya. He gave green seamer to Australia in his association that was like handing a test victory on plate to Aussies.
same story with 2000 SA series, iirc Sachin was captain so it's clear what the team was going through.
A conversation like this is what required to celebrate the 18 win series.
If I could remember, BGT 2017 was not that one-sided as it may seem. Specially in second test, Australia only needed something around 180, and that could have actually awarded India a series loss, India could win it only because of Ashwin's brilliance, giving us his signature "headshot" clip. He took fifer I think in that match.
Eventually India won the series 2-1.
19:10 Jerrord did raised a valid point regarding Tim Bresnan or for that matter having an allrounder. And yes in that series against India in 2012, England didn't had any genuine allrounder. Instead their top order batters compwnsated for that by scoring tonnsbof runs. One more thing is, the lower order of England did contributed decently and one can not forget about the contribution made by Swann, Samit Patel, Matt Prior etc through which England added valuable runs.
One more interesting thing which Jerrod raised was for India to loose a series in India Indian batters have to perform quite poorly. This happend in 2004 against Australia, 2012-13 against England and even though India didn't lost a series against SA, England or Australia in recent times there were odd games which were won by these teamsbin various series. Interestingly in all such series the main reason for India to lose those games were the failure of batters.
Jarrod should write a book on this.
Fair to say that England too weren't had any chance in the 2024 tour of India even though they played on much better pitches than what they got in 2021 series. Not to mention the emerge of English team under this new reign of Bazball. Still they were completely tharashed by a spirited Indian team through good cricket only (Thanks to Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja and others) on good batting surfaces.
😅😅😅
Not having Harry Brook was a big setback for them.
India too didn't have Virat, Pant, Rahul but we expect India to win at home since we have a big talent pool atleast in batting..
Too good man.. Wow
Cool episode. Didn't the Bradman team have Neil Harvey as an all rounder?
You missed Bob Appleyard from the 50s England team, he could have been lethal in India
2012 england was a fantastic team. KP was out of this world in that series.
A Chopra, V Sehwag, R Dravid, S tendulkar, S Ganguly, VVS Laxman, P Patel, A Kumble, H singh, Z Khan and J Srinath. Not sure if this team ever played together but could at some point in 2002. This team can probably beat current India if you consider the players at their respective peaks
great batting lineup but in bowling kumble and ashwin are the only one playing on same sort of level, with due respect to zaheer, srinath and bhaji they might be close to Ishant, Siraj, shami, kuldeep/Axar you add to that Jadeja with his batting abilities and the best bowler in the world Jaspreet Bumrah, they are head and shoulders above the 2002 team
Australia got pretty close in the last tour. They had one bad session in the second test. Had they built a good total it could have given them a series win
Talking about a South African team from 1905 as if Jarrod has seen them in live action. 💀😂
What about a team (11/12 for cricpicks) of players across all countries to beat India in India today
Cricpicks idea - Pick an all time XI which can beat the current Indian team in test cricket
The 1999 Pakistan team is the obvious choice for me. Not familiar with the teams from the 1930s and 1960s. But this lineup will give a tough fight(most likely lose, but still) - Saeed Anwar, Afridi, Md. Yusuf, Inzy, Salim Malik, Azhar Mahmood, Moin Khan, Wasim, Saqlain, Shoaib, Waqar.
You've got a medium pace allrounder, a fast leg spinning allrounder (both young at this point, so not as established but the talent was there - Mahmood had made 100s against SA around this time, and Afridi had made a century against india too). World class fast bowling and spinner (put aside the chucking allegations) and 3 top tier batters otherwise - Anwar, Inzy, Yusuf.
The obvious weak link is Malik at 5
The below team would be the ideal eleven to take on & challenge current team in India:
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Cook
Hayden
Root
Lara
KP
Gilchrist (w)
Imran C)
Wasim
Murali
Warne
McGrath
Saqlain (12th)
Too many left hander in batting line up
Ashwin and Bumrah will Rip Apart with soo many left hander in the team.. 😅😂😂
My india all time team
Gavaskar
Shewag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Pant
Dev
Ashwin
Kumble
Shami
Bhumrah
12th jadeja
Murali and Warne had been always trash
The England's 2012 team can compete but can't win against this Indian Team. In 2012 they faced an Indian team which was not pushing for victories. That Indian team had a safe playing style. But current Indian team (especially after Kohli became captain) are pushing for victories in every match.
I would say - Beyond the 1st layer of backups - Axar and Kuldeep - there are quite a few young spinners coming through who should be getting chances post the border gavaskar trophy. Tanush Kotian is one - off spinner with batting ability and a Manav Suthar who is in the Jadeja mould again with aggressive left hand batting and left arm spin - both around 25 years of age. So the shed isn't empty!
If there was a series similar to Australia vs Rest of the world, for India vs Rest of the world for tests in India who would you guys pick?
The Sri Lankan team with Murali, Ajantha Mendis, Sangakkara, Jayawardena, would be a good match against the current Indian Team
To win in India, you'll need Aravinda, Cook, Kallis, Wasim and Saqlain..
52:11 - Mo Yo? Who.. i guess you mean Yousuf Youhana.. who then became Mohammed Yousuf.. back then he was Yousuf Youhana guys
The Australian system of generating and guiding, developing and blooding, cricketers, is the envy of the world. From tots in the back yard, to walking out with a baggy green at Lords or the G, there is not a single country, even India, which does it as well as Australia does it. The system might need some tweaking atm, and I reckon there are some people at CA who need to F off right good, and I also think there is some cultural elements creeping in at the administrative level, not the developmental one, that can also get EFFED and WOULD NOT have happened back when say The Don ran the show...... but all in all... these are small blips, related to specific people, who cannot change the over all system too much anyway, and will not be there forever....
.....because of this, Australia IS ALWAYS a threat. They can turn it around in an instant. They can. Forget all the little stats, all the specifics of the environmental factors, all the atypicals and little moments of luck on their side or not the oppositions, forget what on paper says.... stepping back, and looking at how they roll, Australia are always there in that conversation. Any Australia.
Australia could lose the BGT at home, FIVE NIL, in an absolute HUMILIATING SMASHING.... then go on and lose the next three test series, the Ashes included, every ODI, and wash out of the CT, look like they learnt their Cricket in Moldova the next ten T20i series... but still arrive in India next time for the next Tests series, against INDIA, in INDIA, and from nothing... WIN. Not just win. Destroy.
It makes no sense. It cannot be true. Everyone would dispute it, looking at it logically, and statistically, and scientifically, and biomechanically in the actual art of the beautiful game of Cricket.... but if you watch Cricket, you know, it just is. I doubt any serious, and experienced Indian fan, at least any over say 25, would contest this. Everyone knows it.
That should be a CREDIT to India, because it sounded a little at first like in the that initial discussion about how close the next best to a dominant team of any era was, in this case Aussies of the 90s, and Windies of the 80s....that their dominance was at a time when they had to FIGHT for it, because there was another heir to the crown of the best.... but India somehow, have not, because there is no one.
Not true. There is ALWAYS Australia, and that is just facts. So for India to be so good, especially do dominant at home, in world where Australia like playing cricket, and what that has yielded, is a big up for India and Indian cricket.
Why are they not considering srilanka...Sangakkara, mahela with chaminda
In 2012, Indian batting was also on the brink of transition.
Ashwin and Jadeja couldn't bat like they can now.
Sachin,Sehwag were passed their prime.
Virat was still struggling to score in test cricket.
If u go all time..may be a 1996-2000 srilanka or a 1991-2000 pakistan may have a chance to beat this team.....i repeat "may have a chance "...no sureity at all ....this opinion is from the frame of mind that srilanka had good spinners and above decent pacers that era..also ghey were pretty great aganist spin....but still bumrah stands out.....pakiatan also hd quality spinners in khadir and saqlain also imran ,wasim waqar who are really good with reverse swing in their armory....
decode the 2012 eng win series
what about pre fixing pakistan with amir asif saeed ajmal
Too much chat about Bumrah at home and not enough mention of Shami and Umesh
Imagine new zealand actually beat them this series damn
There probably might be riots here in India lol, considering that
1) India and NZ have faced off 35 times (somewhere around that number, not too sure), and the Kiwis have only managed to pull off a series win twice against us, the last one coming in the 90s if I remember correctly
2) The current team is riding a massive wave of goodwill, partly due to the hype generated by our media, and partly due to the good performances in ICC knockouts recently. We are a commonwealth nation after all, so naturally we inherited English media's biggest flaw - "build you up, break you down". Case in point being our women's cricket team, before the t20 WC ongoing right now, people were hyped up about them, now there's a lot of revisionism going on about the quality of our team lol
3) If India get no wins in this series, they have to whitewash (yes, I'm not kidding) Aus in the Border-Gavaskar trophy to qualify for the WTC without relying on SA/SL to screw up their tests. If India get a win (NZ win the series 2-1), they have to win 4 out of 5 in the BGT. These are extreme scenarios tbh, which will happen if either SA or SL win all their remaining tests (not impossible considering their current form and level of opposition). Considering how the WTC mace is the only missing trophy in the cabinet, us Indians are desperate to win it this time, since the last 2 times have been a fiasco to say the least (neither finals being at least a competition from our side)
There's gonna be an even bigger backlash than post-2023 WC final if India screw up this series
For some of us who grew up watching test cricket in the 90s it feels incredibly amazing to live in an era of one sided indian domination, and i say this with utmost humility because we have seen and felt the humiliation that was at most times overt on and off the field with dollops of racism involved, i will never forget the image of Aussie players shoving aside an old Sharad Pawar who came to give them a cup.
No way you're saying Aussies were in the wrong for the Sharad Pawar incident. He was there to give them the cup not celebrate with them. And he wasn't leaving when he had already handed the trophy
@@paramtageja6891 I saw that happening on live TV and even for my young eyes then I wondered what was the need to shove him aside so disrespectfully as if he was going to take the cup with him home, if you can find the video here on YT you can clearly see they didn't even give him a minute and it became a huge issue in the media afterwards following that incident, but India didn't have the clout back then, I dare any international player to pull something like that today on Indian soil much less a aussie and see what happens afterwards, you know it as well as I do, no has the guts to Try something like that today.
@@magnusrex579 will any australian cricketers now do it obviously not that's because there not as big of a personalities anymore. If any of the Australian personalities who play rugby league and Afl who are huge and jacked to the core were in cricket they wouldn't give a flying F. And finally Sharad Pawar was the one in the wrong in that incident he was supposed to give them the cup not celebrate with them. If you also look at the world cup 2023 trophy presentation that's now how presentations work and it was a failure on the administrations part. It just looked bitter and disrespectful from us
@@paramtageja6891 Are You saying a Aussie Afl player because he is jacked can come here and pull of a disrespectful stunt like that today on Indian soil and still have a career left of any kind, you know it very well they only got away doing those shenanigans because there was an element of intense disrespect and racism involved towards Indians, just because they hide it well these days doesnt mean it doesn't exist, case in point was Mohhamed Siraj in BGT a few years ago, like I said none of these punks have the guts to Try that today.
@@magnusrex579 bruh I'm not saying there isn't racism in the sport. It's just the incident you are mentioning was not disrespectful to Sharad Pawar it was a very much valid response to an individual who was over staying his welcome and as was the trophy presentation in the 2023 world cup. It is an interesting view for me though how good would australia actually be if there best athletes played cricket instead of afl nrl and rugby. Especially in the last 15 years where cricket has become a secondary thought for most Australians in both playing and watching.
Newzealand have done it 🇳🇿2-0
Pakistan Team from 1998-99 can probably stand a chance.
Amazing how wrong this analysis has turned out. You said no slow spinners and Mitch Santner wins the series. No left handers because of Ashwin and Latham, Conway and Ravindra out bat india 😂😂 Cricket can be a funny game.
Interesting discussion, but please, Behram, stop referencing Elon Musk…
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How old are you? 10?
@@Bhavik630 na..just born ...now typing after learn to know how to
@@pitambarnayak2801 seems to be so
Time waste
Earlier indian team could have beaten India.
Sehwag
Gambhir
Rahul
Sachin
Ganguly
Laxman
Dhoni
Harbhajan
Kumble
Zaheer
Ishant
The problem is jadeja-ashwin who can hit century plus take fifer
@@KICK839 that is a great problem to have. But there are people in the this who doesn't get out easily, Ultimately tiring every bowler in current squad. Not much left handers in this squad and all the batsman here plays spin better than current corp.
i THINK NZ HAS GOOD CHANCE TO WIN THIS SERIES IF WILLIAMSON AND RACHIN RAVINDRA WORKS VERY HARD
Lol
If NZ doesn't lose 2 matches by innings, I will be surprised.
Not sure what you are smoking but last time one of their guys took all 10 wickets and they still Lost, and Williamson has always been good but Rachin come on, even a recovering Sri Lanka bend them over backwards.
"work very hard" lmaooo
Those two can have a good series but what about the rest.
Let's see your assumption after this series😂
Just wait till Both Home track bullies Ashwin and Jadeja retire. The percentage of wickets these guys have taken over the last decade is very high. Also Bumrah wont be free from injuries as he ages with that high risk bowling action. Also, in couple of years, both Virat and Rohit will retire .
Axar, Kuldeep and Washington. I know they aren't all time greats like Ashwin and Jadeja but they are no muck either.
India will keep producing talents in cricket
"Home track bullies" such a stupid term. If it was that easy to win every series at home, why hasn't every team dominated at home like India since 2012?
@@rahulsrinivas3224 Not every team prepares "extreme" home friendly pitches like India that turns from day 1.
@@SpecificDietPlans India have won in a few different conditions in this period. Even on flat pitches, India have won and in a few games, they have also won with seam bowling. So just stop cribbing and accept how dominant India are.