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I appreciate you mentioning Marc brunet! I wanted to grab his whole course set when it was on sale last Christmas but I got scared 😅, he provides such great content, but I wasn’t sure if the reviews were honest or I’d learn much. I’m sure he’ll have another holiday sale, so I’ll grab it then. Thank you!! I wanted to improve my digital art skills, especially anatomy much more.
@@eraba661 proko had such a great podcast with Marshall vandruff!
I forgot about his classes too, I’ll write that down, I was just worried as they do more traditional art.
Finding valuable art courses, free or otherwise, is becoming increasingly difficult. The market is saturated. You have people teaching animation even though they've barely done any animation, because they figured out having a course is one of the best ways to make money. I'm glad to see a video like this. Beginner artists need to have the utmost discretion when it comes to where they choose to study. Invest wisely, my friends!
This is why I’m so hesitant to buy classes they’re quite expensive and I get it, but how do I know I’ll take value from them? There’s two courses I wanted to take from two youtubers I follow, they provide great free content-one does digital art the other is about marketing and Etsy shops, and they’ve helped me grow but it’s hard to find reviews on their classes and they’re hundreds of dollars.
@@mrs.quills7061 which is the one does digital art if you don’t mind…I have been looking for one since march
@@DallasUzumaki Marc brunet, he has a whole course with different semesters has has discounts around the holidays. His whole course though is hundreds. It’s just called art school and focuses on digital illustration, anatomy, background and 3D stuff.
@@mrs.quills7061 so you recommend I buy it?? I heard he uses photoshop and I use android tab…does it make any difference?
@@DallasUzumaki I haven’t tried it to be honest, but I’ve heard it doesn’t matter what program you use. I don’t use PS either. There’s reviews online of his course on UA-cam and stuff I’ve been looking at.
I think getting lesson from the master from the getgo can be a bit detrimental to the development of new artists. Most of the time you won't be able to follow the lesson from the masters and thus will lose your interest. There's something relatively newer artists can offer beginners since they just been through it all. Hell, I don't think I can mentor myself from 3 years ago or understand his artistic journey. So, my advice for beginners is to learn from artists that are not too high above reach, but base their lesson on fundamentals and those that pique your interest.
This is also very true. Theres nothing like learning from someone who you feel like is within your grasp, not quite impossible to reach.
I think that's more of an issue of self esteem and "those who can do, can't teach". Now if we're talking about complete novices then I agree, but that should be a given.
That's like trying to run before you can crawl.
my first big exposure to art was through jazza, and shortly after I found Ethan Becker, who got me to a level of drawing that art teachers now say I’m the best graphics artist in the COUNTRY !!! This doesn’t work for everyone but it is 100% possible. So I guess it depends on if you are a visual learner or a tactile one.
This. Everything is fundamentals. A lot of "Beginner" courses are just professionals showing their processes, or giving little tips....
What true beginners or people struggling in their early or mid-stages of learning art need are solid principles that work in nearly every scenario they encounter on the picture plane.
I'll just say I haven't watched the entire video yet as I've been incensed by the excellent copy and thumbnail that ErgoJosh used, but I'm glad to see some sense in the comment section!
@@sidjones16 those who can do, WON'T teach, they don't have time to waste in playing a randomize game
I think I know the youtuber he's talking about... Mikeymegamega is definitely the only youtuber I saw who is teaching the fundamentals of anatomy, pose, perspective, and all that good stuff to such degree, he's basically covering every aspect of drawing and shows you the whole process as he's doing it while explaining every step in such an easy to understand way. Onetime I applied some of his tips and process that I can barely remember because I saw the video few weeks before, and my drawings was immediately better... of course I can barely draw but that's the point, applying something I can barely remember helped my drawing so just imagine how much my skills will grow when I follow his tutorials seriously.
Thank you for this comment. I'm just learning to draw and only picked up a pencil a few months ago for the first time. Do you know of any courses I could buy that would help me? I feel very lost right now
@@aso900 don't buy anything at all. Take drawabox first and then lovelife drawing. They will give you the most important fundamentals necessary in art
Not only did he pick a great niche but his teaching and clarity skills are top notch. I'm a female and had no clue how to draw curvy since it's not something you see very often especially in US comic books. I can say without a doubt I'm a lot better at drawing women now.
The one thing I've noticed about Coloso is that the Korean classes are always super in depth but the English ones are usually more barebones.
Coloso is a moneys worth! I found them through their first 2D course and now I buy every 2D animation course that comes out and I’m still buying more because they have been so helpful
Well, I wish a dollar wasn't almost twenty times more valuable than my currency so I could actually consider taking these courses.. I scavenge the internet to find every bits of free information these artists share. I really want to learn from them but there's just no other way.
Edit: To be clear, I'm also an intermediate level artist and a college student who's just trying to level up to a semi-professional level but it's so hard. There's so much information and so many ways of practicing needed to get all the different results in specific styles. I enjoy the Asian painterly style a lot so I keep researching any techniques they show here and there. That's why I care about these specific courses. Of course you don't have to buy a course to improve if you're a good self learner, still they're a really nice source of information and technique from the artists you want to analyze.
Let me know anything you need help with, ill make a tutorial video
In my country is 4 times our currency, but since learning about what are adopts and doing them, now I can purchase courses with the money I win selling my designs. Everything is posible brooo (i live in Perú)
I'm no master but I've only used free online resources and I have seen significant improvement, as long as you can get a pencil and paper I believe in you. If our ancients could do it without tutorials we can too 😉
Real
In my country a dollar is almost 300 times worth my currency, i feel you my friend
As someone who's been doing art literally their entire life, I will say the benefits of taking a thorough and well structured course on specific topics will improve your growth exponentially. Trust me. I'm always looking for ways to improve after 29 years and still take courses sporadically. It's much faster than trying to navigate on my own where I tend to get complacent sometimes.
Do you have any suggestions on good courses to check out? I find it hard to ducks from geese.......
Rule of thumb: don’t seek perfection just because some teachers expect you to, that’s an unobtainable illusion that many fall for. Instead seek to improve consistent function in all areas of your craft. That’s what a skill is, a function. Actually good teachers understand this.
I feel like this is exactly what ive been thinking about lately. I feel like intermediate and advanced things are much fewer and farther between because its the "Beginner" stuff that gets picked up and used by every art teacher under the sun because lets face it, there are so many people who want to begin, but much less make it through to the intermediate phase. So the demand is much lower on a more difficult to discuss topic. Seems like a no brainer It makes it difficult when trying to find courses and things like that to know whats genuinely going to help or seem like it will be be a rehash of the same basic lessons in someone elses terms.
Yep. The demand for beginner content is so high - you can already find it for free on youtube for example.
I agree.... every course under the sun, seems to be geerd towards beginners.
Same with languages, music and pretty much every other skill. 99% of the audience will give up without ever leaving the beginner stage.
From the perspective of a somewhat older learner who took a total of one course when they were, like, 10, and is coming up on that kind of intermediate skill level, where I can work pretty well from reference...I agree.
Because what I actually did when I was young wasn't just "draw a lot and get better". Instead it was "get a book" (the only real alternative to live instruction at the time) and then...I got the books, read through them...but I didn't know how to study out of them. Or, rather, I did sort of understand that there was a more intensive way of studying than just flipping through the text and then immediately going back and trying to draw the same way I had been before but I didn't know how to access it within myself. And I know for sure that that is the kind of experience that a lot of people taking courses have.
However, the knowledge in the books did gradually accumulate in my head. Certain things stuck. And now that I'm actually progressing quickly I know what changed. It's basically three simple things:
1. Respect "Monkey see, monkey do". When the instruction contains text or spoken words, that engages the language part of the brain, and distracts from the physical-skills part of it. But the act of drawing isn't language, it's more like the mouth trying to form sounds - it starts with physical control. A football team doesn't learn to play well in the classroom, they have to go out and drill it, and then they add some strategy on top of that. So when the book or the course has something that *could* be copied, you copy it. Then you try to understand it.
2. Keep going backwards in time until you're accessing the original sources and copying from those. Bridgman and Loomis are long gone now, yet we keep referencing them and their specific philosophies about drawing, anatomy, and illustration in a sort of game of telephone. But if you get the originals and then copy those, you don't need a video course to explain them. You can go even farther back and copy the Bargue plates, which were originally presented with *no accompanying text*. Those are still being used in atelier schools today. And then go back even farther and you are getting into studies of old masters.
3. Investment in a physical setup. While you can get by and still learn with almost no equipment - it sucks! It costs a little bit more than most art books, and a little bit less than many courses, to get yourself a little folding floor desk or easel, plastic pencil bins, a collection of pens and pencils, some sketchbooks, binder clips, a bookstand, a ruler, and a small lamp. And the advantage of doing this is, again, in awareness of the physical components of drawing: what do different papers feel like? What do different types of pens feel like, and how does my grip change? How does light impact me? What height and angle do I prefer working with? These are questions that can be answered with small, incremental investments, most of them in the $10-20 range, and even if your focus is digital, it is not a big jump to try working in a sketchbook from time to time.
Doing this puts almost all your effort into engagement with the fundamental techniques and to have some intimate awareness of the equipment, which is really the foundation for everything after. Art skills become much more philosophical in nature after that, and that's where the course knowledge actually can result in a big change, and a little trick like the ones I often see in influencer content becomes applicable. But you want basic control and confidence in lines, shapes and forms before that, and that's all done by continually reviewing the most basic things of how to hold the pen, how to draw from observation, and so on.
GOAT comment
the way you always post exactly what i need and when i need it.. thank you for all of your advice josh🙌
I'm really glad you opened up this conversation! I've been thinking about how it's so difficult to find quality courses for artists who aren't really beginners anymore, but still need guidance to get their art to the next level. I've unfortunately been burned buying courses from some of my favorite artists. In the courses I bought, I didn't really feel like I got much more out of the youtube tutorials to make them worth it. Also, a lot of times the courses have felt more like an extension of their entertainment content. I think this is great if you want to be part of a community and support your favorite creators, but I don't think it's the greatest for educational material. When I'm making sure I take time to draw outside of my busy schedule, I get a little frustrated having to sift through the extra stuff that isn't relevant to the tutorial/class. I think this video has finally convinced me to give Coloso a try.
It makes me relieved to find out I'm not the only one. Worse is when people call you toxic for not liking a course. It's the same with books as well, better off just going to a library and finding art books that click with you. As for videos thank goodness for YT.
I found it a little confusing and contradictory that you mentioned the video player "never really had any stuttering or buffering issues" (10:09), but then you listed one of the cons is the "player for the actual course on the website can be pretty slow and laggy" (13:55)
Glad you made this video. 😄
Used to draw horror like art for years, and after a lot practice it showed, i wanted to draw dark fantasy comic as detailed as berserk. But then lockdowns happened, i almost failed my college, and i was in a really dark place.
Since then i did pass my college, but i decided to take a break from that style and since 2020, I've been drawing stuff in style of genshin, azur lane and alike, more anime style with some fanservice here and there.
But i was starting from scratch, took me a long time to get my mind set, even now i feel like i will never reach even close to level of artists I admire. But i did surpass the old me, even 1 year back, I've learned so much.
I considered taking classes, but after few youtube vids i decided i need to take it slow, try few things out, learn from ppl around and not too above my level, and this slow approach has been helpful.
I still intend to get those lessons, but not for few more months at least.
I literally have this course open in a tab, debating whether to get it. Coloso better give you that good sponsor $$ as I'm about to buy it.
1. I'm a perpetual beginner with no aspirations to becoming a professional YET I want to attain those skills. So beginner courses are a slog yet intermediate ones frustrate me.
2. I wish artists did more videos like this! Even though this was sponsored, I found it helpful to have someone's take on it. I feel like it's taboo to talk about artist courses.
3. I've been following you for a while and your content AND skills have improved so much. You truly are an inspiration ✨️
I just got this course and lets just say this course is the only one i'll put full faith in with anatomy and just creating courses as a whole. The only thing i have to do now is put in the time and repetition to understand and master these things
@@lunarex2731 how is the course going i am also thinking of getting it not now but in a couple of months i ve taken quite a bit of anatomy course and i did not get anywhere currently i am doing DRAWA BOX after that i'll move to anatomy
I'm mostly on Domestika since the classes are more inexpensive and still professional than say Schoolism & Coloso. However, what gets me sometimes is how the teachers barely come back to respond when new students join, and I really rely on their critiques and help if I'm getting something wrong or right.
That's what I want with these online courses. I want the feel of a teacher helping out instead of leaving me hanging, and some of these online course feel empty without it. I did well in the course I've completed, but I don't want to spend money on lessons where I'm not getting any feedback.
classes with teacher/artist feedback are much more expensive due to having to pay the teacher for the time they spend on each student's feedback. for your needs it would be cheaper and better to pursue a 1 on 1 mentorship with an artist you want to learn from. a good place to look is patreon or even email or DM the artist and ask if they offer it. Usually you have an assignment and meet once a week at an agreed time/on an agreed day and there you can get feedback. sometimes the artist will also do paintovers and/or video critiques. never hurts to ask. good luck on your art journey.
I feel the same, the only one with critiques that i enjoyed and was cheap enough that i founnd is the one with paintable ifi program
Ayyy I recently been considering checking out coloso and now another great artist recommending it so I’m super grateful for the chance
After college, I bought a couple of online classes (including wingfox, class101, domestika and schoolism) but one of the important ones that I really learned a lot from (despite already working as an artist fulltime) is Sungmoo Heo's class in Coloso.
Hey, do you remember the best online art courses you have taken ? I am trying to find some but there are so many of them and I am kinda lost, it would really help me, thanks !!
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When I saw this comment, I was like...this isn’t another Coloso advertisement is it? Welp. I don’t think their courses are that bad but it’s tiresome seeing everyone doing entire video sponsors
Have you heard of Draw a Box? I feel like ppl are talking enough about how good of a Course it is. Not only it is free, but it goes on the fundamentals of how to learn and create things on your own, (Is a lot like Scott Robertson book but goes a lot indeep) plus, they actually critique your homework for free and there is a lot of content to help you along the way. Is a course made for Beginners, helping them develop the crucial skills needed to start their art path in the right direction, super usefull stuff.
I'm impressed by Coloso's catalogue, the backgrounds course looks especially neat.
I bought marc brunets course he has a very technical kind of teaching style but honestly im loving it so far
I've been debating trying this exact course for the last week, so this video came out at the perfect time for me. Thank you for the insights!
Love love your artwork
Just signed up for RinoTuna’s course last night and this definitely made me feel better about my purchase. They’re an awesome artist but didn’t know if those Instagram ads fro Coloso were peddling something ya know? Hard to tell these days. I can’t wait to dive into the course when it releases!!
Also, your growth has been huge man 💪🏼
I was also thinking about buying Rinotunas course! but I’m not sure😅. Have you used Coloso before?
Yo, been awhile since I stopped by, your art is crazy improved, make me want to pick up my pen again
I've been learning for 5 years, I'd say I'm in the intermediate level. I bought Mogoon's course, and quite literally the course introduction video alone made me reflect on myself, I'm currently halfway into it now and I have to say I love that he frames his course in a way that you can "optimize making good art" so you could stop figuring out what's "good" and focus on making it better.
Definitely not a beginner course, wouldn't recommend it to me 5 years ago. But I would recommend it to someone who's atleast got a few years in
This is JUST what I need. Everything you said about beginner artists is something I am struggling with right now.
I always enjoy your content Ergojosh. ♥ Thank you for being a voice of reason while maintaining such a calm demeanor. 🥰
Awesome as allways Josh!
It definitely is so hard to find intermediate level courses. The only course I bought was Marshall Vandruff's old perspective course (which helped me immensely). I also tend to lean heavily into asian/anime art by veteran artists which like you said, don't have a lot of accessible courses in the internet. It's mostly anime art for beginners which I already know of. What I want is something like schoolism but with focus on anime/asian style art, because schoolism is more on western style/semi-realism art.
Once again you come out with the right video at the right time. A good character drawing course is exactly what I'm looking for at the moment and this one has certainly piqued my interest. Sadly I can't afford it at this time, so I'll have to look at it again maybe at the end of the year. If it goes on discount again I might just get it then.
Thanks for the info
Please make a video on all the art books you use to study !
I've got some experience as a 3d artist but I'm total beginner in drawing. I've got an iPad. Do I take traditional pencil courses first or can I straight up start digital? I've had a lot of feedback about this as I can't seem to be patient enough to take pencil courses knowing that my iPad is right there but I wanted to know what you thought.
This is exactly what I want to know. My brother gave me his drawing tablet because he got a better one so I decided to start learning art but I don't know if I need to wait. And yeah it's hard for me to be patient too when I have this sitting at my desk.
Just draw, both of you all, as long as you're drawing, making new goals and working towards them, practising different fundamentals and stuff l, you will improve, it's easy to think there's some extremely specific way to go about this stuff otherwise you don't learn, but it's really not that serious from personal experience, use what you have at your disposal and use what's fun to you, it's not as scary as it seems
@@axserwz5022 Thank you for this I was to scared to use my tablet in case I was practicing wrong
@@GoodOnAccident there is a right way to practice, but you really don't need to be stressing about that right now, the best you can do right now, is to just draw whatever you want to draw, until you get to a point where you feel you're ready to take it more seriously. For that a great resource is Marc Brunet on UA-cam, he's an amazing teacher
The biggest problem you face right now for the younger generation is you have too many options. It really doesn't matter. Focus on getting that milage, you have years of experience left to get. I'd say to do both, because traditional forces you to understand certain concepts that people rarely teach digitally. Like layering and building up values for example.
I dunno I have taken art courses at my local community college, and I learned soo much from that class. Granted, I didn't learn anything about human anatomy. But I did learn the basics of art and I got better just by practicing(Which is mostly what we did) and drawing for three hours every day on shading, real life drawing. etc.
I actually got better. I think I got lucky because I had a couple of really good art teachers that helped me out. Not all of their tips were amazing tho. They're the kind of people that say "don't use photo references" and things like that, but besides that. I did learn a lot from my peers as well on how to draw and I did improve because of that.
Learning online can be good as well, but that social interaction makes art classes worth it for me. And you meet very interesting people too! Ahem, and very weird people(Including me 🤣) I wish I had the money to spend on online courses. Maybe I should look into that, but the courses are just as expensive if not more expensive than college courses.
Thank you so much for your thoughts on this idea, Josh! I have a personal hobby of watching different artists of wide backgrounds, contexts or communities sharing their processes or ideas, journal entries maybe, about their progress with the journey of art and if there's one consistent idea I've taken away regardless of field or level of technical details in the works created? Clarity!
The people I consider to be very "good" at what they do, regardless of genre, niche, style or market involved are those who observe, adjust and understand how to keep their works presented in a matter that is simple enough to understand an artwork at a glance for their target audiences and forms of expression but also makes the most out of it and challenging the expectations of what's involved and done before. I fell in love again with what makes strong fundamental skills important even if more amateur creatives try to forget about it thanks to good mentors out there like say, Krenz Cushart and his colleague of art teachers or folks like you on UA-cam making art learning more accessible out there: like grammar rules, the important part is being able to understand and be understood and art is a language as well!
I used to feel bad about struggling a lot more blindly when I was starting out with art as a journey but now that these days we have the equivalent of more updated GPS map systems to help us navigate the world around us, no matter the changes, like a handy compass, effective resources to learn from will be a source of strength as you keep rising to challenge your ideas and executions of your ideas in a field you want to reach into! These days I feel so humbled and in awe of how much more accessible these ideas are and hope "stuck" artists don't feel discouraged, if a clear system and idea helps a lot of people, it's worth committing to! I've also experienced in college my handful of both very good and also really discouraging professors and I hope younger artists aren't discouraged or lose their drive and desire to make what they want to make due to a faulty GPS system! It's refreshing to find good teachers out there and it's always an opportunity to learn, even if you think you know what basics are involved.
I’m still so early in the learning process I feel like my ambition superceeds my skill level. My general design/finished line art stage I’m often satisfied with. But then I try to color and shade and it all goes wrong and turns to bad piece lol. I guess I need to take a step back and build up shading first.
Either way you give inspiration every time man and I appreciate your content heaps
Keep making the bad finished products but also spend time getting the shading up! Trust me you will regret it if you train for 5 years and have no finished artwork to show for your growth.
@@ergojosh will do my best man. Thank you again! I got a bit of a late start being in my early 20s but never too late and better late than never.
Josh! Wow, what a channel.
Subbed and watching them all. Question: what are you using when you sheesh a figure but then move just the legs or head, adjusting for position? Are these all layers? In what platforms?
Thanks!
Man Sungmoo Heo's coloso class was SO GOOD that I'm low-key scared that more and more people are finding out about it 😂. It was that good guys. It's not the hidden gem that only a few pple know about anymore. I've gone through almost all the lectures in his course, and out of all the art courses I've taken from different artists, I would recommend this first without a doubt!
Hey do you remember the best courses you have taken online ? I am searching good art courses online but there are soooo many of them that it is overwhelming lol
Thanks 😆!
😨 a-are you a sponsored comment? Huhu just kidding tho pls ping me im tryna find courses too lol
@@gebbygeb3547 not sponsored lol :) Just try looking around coloso, more kinds of courses are up. Popular ones from Sungmoo Heo’s and Mogoon are nice choices depending on your goals. The Framed series by Marcos Mateu Maestre is AMAZING as well.
@@grey__knight270 any discord or art community where u can tall about coloso courses ?
Is it English?
I appreciate you sharing this because what you said about sharing their knowledge beyond just the skill and craft is so important!! You can’t make money if you don’t know how to market or have confidence and that’s something they totally fail to teach also in high school.
Money is tough right now I know for many, but I’ll invest in this around the holidays because I’m sure there will be a sale. I’ve improved a lot on my own and from free content, but I want to push my anatomy and light rendering. I’d love to learn how to quickly render complex backgrounds without adding insane amounts of detail too.
Ooooh people need to try the beginning drawing- by Juliette Aristides! Its very good!
This was a really insightful video! It is especially hard to learn eastern art practices in any structured or understandable way here in the west due to the obvious language barrier. On that note I love that Coloso has such a nice curated list, and I plan on taking courses from them as well.
It's no secret that I have a vested interest in the topic of courses though. The title and thumbnail hit my emotional centers as an artist (a working artist - living off the craft for the last 7 years) who designed their course specifically to teach people the basics in a digestible and progressive format.
I have a massive admission, however...I'm weak at marketing. Bad at clickbait. Not great at branding either....Which has certainly harmed my business in the long run...But one thing I can say for certain is that I've helped artists evolve from the ground up. That I know to be true-- even if my teaching style or art style(s) aren't for every artist. I have distilled all of the principles I learned from Loomis, Speed, Vandepoel, Bridgman, and others into my courses and content.
Still, It's always great seeing how others teach, and actually learning the mindsets from artists work I deeply admire, and have seen great success as artists. I love to see how they apply basics too, not just how their workflow is showcased.
Keep up the great content and artistic improvement, Josh!
I basically learned how to draw from people like Frank Frazetta, Boris Vallejo and a whole host of comic book artists from the '60s and '70s.
That and studying anatomy books.
Yes, I eventually took several college courses, but by the time I got to them, I already had the basics down and was well into the more advanced stuff.
I understood perspective proportions and color, but the classes did help fine-tune what I already had learned.
Also. don't fall into the trap of just drawing one style, like anime, which is an exaggerated way of presenting anatomy. You need to learn how to draw it correctly so you'll better understand what it is you're altering to get a particular look.
( This very thing that causes most art teachers to have a fit when they see you copying your favorite anime or manga. )
I failed an entire 6 weeks for copying a Frazetta painting rather than doing the simple stuff that was the actual lesson for that term. I simply had no interest in that simplistic crap that I had learned years before. So remember, if you're going to take a class to learn a particular thing... pay attention to the teacher, or simply don't waste your time and money.
Unfortunately, the high school I was in didn't offer an advanced class, or that's where I'd have gone. ( Had to take one art class and that was the only choice. )
Another issue I found was that the third party app for the player on the pc may not work at all. If the video fails to load, you have to change your DNS settings in your browser and you should be good!
Was the one youtuber who narrates his live drawing you had in mind steven zapata? Cuz he is so good with that
If someone sees this, a perfect free version of what josh is talking about is cristophe young, here on youtube.
he makes full hours long process videos fully narrated in real time explaining what hes doing as he's doing for various topics.
Just got into it and it has helped tremendously already
This is my biggest issue. I'm already an intermediate level artist, so I'm not interested in generic "beginner" level courses. I want an experienced artist to give me specific feedback on MY art, to help me figure out how to improve.
I've been looking into taking classes at CGMA and Swatches - does anybody have experience with those two schools? Are they good for this kind of thing?
i almost got mad because i really like heo sung moo, the thumbnailing and title picking always get me dfsbfsfdlk
I took the peter han dynamic sketching g course I very much reccomend that one its pretty intensive but it was great for me starting and just being aimless for the longest time
I haven't watched this video yet but I already agree. I've been drawing seriously for 4 years so I'm far from being a complete beginner. Most tutorials both paid and free teach the same things over and over. Unless you literally just started learning art, they are a waste of money. You can find some gems but it's much harder. I'm broke so I can't afford a 400+ art course so I'm stuck with these beginner courses.
i recommend the 270$ course by ahmed aldoori- its a little less pricy but has some good stuff
@@pluet_2003 I've been following him fow a couple of years but I didn't know he had a course! Thanks a lot
Well there is another method when your broke, look for obscure knowledge for many art websites like deviantart. Eventually you bound to find some useful tips.
Love those type of vidéos bro🔥🔥...observation and imagination help thé artist in thé long run...i drew for like 25 years comics ,manga,...but in the last 5 years i shifted my focus into the animation field..and wow bro...everyday im learning something New....NOTE i have no art studies .
I was expecting this to be a commentary style video from you possibly about more popular art courses or social media curated art courses. But maybe an idea for a future video?
Can't get the course, seems its not available in my country(?)
Hey Ergo! Just a technical question. Do you use ipad with cellular or stay with wifi?
From my experience as a complete and utter art noob besides some design experience, Marc Brunets course is very helpful
I'm self thought. I mainly learned from copying other works and keep it personal.
And found amazing roleplay community who also has amazing artists that gives many tips about drawings etc is what help me the most to improving myself.
Also jealousy. To spark my motivation a bit.
A recommendation I have is new masters academy, once I found them, I dropped every book and course out there. Nma is taught by some of the biggest names in the art industry like Steve Huston, Peter Han, and Ryan Benjamin. They have plenty of beginner friendly content but where I notice they truly shine is their intermediate and advanced content. They are incredibly Thorough and detailed, they also have a discord where you can speak with then and other students directly along with work critiques.
The teachers there are really preparing you and even giving advice for working at high-level Industry positions.
They also have classes on almost all styles of art
thanks for the coupon used it on a diff course though, does this course also dive into color theory?
Looking to start Ahmed Aldoori's course soon, his yt channel clips show that he's able to explain things in a way that suits me. Perhaps if anyone that has completed or is currently taking his course can offer some insights on it, that would be greatly appreciated as well.
most classes feel spiritual more than technical also same for UA-cam video and i hate that, but will Weston's class is definitely great
Doing course from illustrator Erak Note! adore his art and happy that can learn from him
nobody needs art courses for art. Its just a motivational sport, like going with a friend into a gym because it can be boring and hard to get into.
Learning anatomy and perspective will take you so much time even fully motivated, it will take years of perfection and you will do great jumps in skill at the beginning if you stick to it and own your mistakes. I can nowadays finish a comic panel in one day, coloured. 2-3 Days if i want to go for crazy shots or more details. I am aware how fast i am, and i know my quality is top notch for that speed, i also know that its by far not the best art you will ever see but for hour spend, definitely worth.
Then there is the business side of Art, getting faster to meet deadlines and whatnot. This made me burnout and depressed all the time, and all i see is just the negative side sometimes, like...i know i want to make a short story 30 pages or something, but all i see is the work and how long i have to actively work on it until its finished, i stop in the middle and instead do some fun shit, like concept art or illustration.
I recently formed this unhealty economy wise habit, of working on diffrent storys, like 4 at a time, when i get sick of one, i continue the other.
I would not say that i reached the sealing of what a master artist can do, but i pretty much mastered the basics and i know what im doing. Its just a routine now that i strictly follow to get the same quality on every page. Maybe my mind is bored or is it my depression that is getting worse?
I can not explain but i have art block of posting finished art of any of my series for nearly 2 years now.
I enjoy writing the story and dialogue, when it comes to the art, i am not productive at all, like a literall blockade.
Not really, I’m not gonna spend much time on this, you have to learn the rules of something to do it well and get the most out of it and achieve your goals faster, if you go to the gym or do physical exercise incorrectly, you will spend years or maybe you will never achieve your goals, the same with drawing, and art, the courses are necessary for people who do not know what to do or what to study. Just thinking about what you wrote makes me very angry, honestly what kind of stupid you are. Anyway sorry for the offense but man…..u have to think with your head, not with your butt
is this course only for digital art or also for learning normal drawing?
For Beginners Teachers like Mark Crilley Borodante and Proko are amazing.
I have recently gotten back into art again after 4 years! i I lost motivation due to everyone including me getting a U (ungraded) in our Art course for which we were never given a reason. I personal feel that I need someone to help guide me and critique me when I practice which is why I find beginners courses to be hard to follow on my own and they are always really expensive!
Wow that’s rough! Really no reason? Was it a team project? My first though is plagiarism or cheating to get a U without explanation!
@@icecake1463 They never said, we all did our own piece so no group work, but everyone got a U grade. The grade itself doesn't bother me now but it completely put me off pursing art as a career as I intend.
Ive been thinking about Marc Brunet art school program, just thinking tho, I dont have the money at the moment.
is Sungmoo course good for someone that wanna start learning illustration? wanna buy either this or rinotuna's
Do you get to keep the lessons and can you go back to watch them
Damn, there's also a sale on that very course right now! With your code, we can get more than half off the original price, so it's only about $217 CAD. I'm gonna grab it, hopefully I'll get around to it after Med's Map
theres always a sale going on just take your time
Another huge benefit to this site is that the course is unlimited access, it's not like class101 where it expires after a certain period of time. Which in my opinion makes sense for you to keep what you have bought
Funny. When I discovered Coloso a few years ago because I was looking for art education in Japanese ( I speak the language) the page wasn't even translated into English. Didnt know that it was a Korean page though :,D
non-beginner here. anyone know any good courses for intermediate level artists?
Hey there!
Loved your video! I've been browsing through some courses on Colosso, but most seem to be aimed at folks with a bit of experience already. Got any suggestions for a total newbie looking to get into drawing?
Thanks a bunch!
I think Proko
new master academy (NMA) it's give you clear path what you want to aim for drawing, and it's very good fundamentals.
yeah but even with the discount $200 is like a lot alot for example college students (nigh percentage group of people interested or that are studying art and are looking to level up) is still a bit much for people sadly, so theyre prone to using everything they can find for free on the internet or some cheaper courses, cheaper doesnt always mean worse or less valuable, he just knows that hes a master so he can price his 30 vids for $300 a set that thousands of people buy since hes more known, than some smaller less famous artists can(because why would you buy an expensive course from an unknown artist when you can get it from a more known and more renowned artist) but then again this is the platform for courses so everyone should look into their free demos and decide for themselves at the end, i personally recommend doing everything you can to try to level up by yourself(learning anatomy etc) which you can do for free rather than immediately start an expensive course for highly advanced art which you wont be able to follow that well as you would if you just tried to best yourself as much as you can on your own, figuring out your own limits and ceilings is important in art, especially the acceptance part of it because you then know what to focus on specifically rather than trying to learn everything from everyone at the same time, do it piece by piece, little by little, practice makes perfect, stay safe yall and good luck
Josh, I've been watching you for 4 years (subscribed for 3). I can't believe it. Look at how well you're doing. I'm so proud of you. Thank you for not changing who you are despite the growing fame! 🖤
some courses are def not worth it, which is why people really need to do their research into the classes/school they are thinking of attending before they attend the course and [possible waste their time and money. of course most of the things you would learn at a course/school you could learn yourself if some is really committed
Sungmomoo is a beast, one of my favourite illustrators
If I want to learn the animation than which one is the best software
I been in so many courses like 30 and I think I got value from like 2 of them... and one was a small gumroad course that was a companion piece to a drawing book lol. The second was drawabox which is free and amazing. Prokos figure drawing course was good at showing how to completely draw a figure with basic anatomy but it lacked thorough explanation and application, he kind of just tells you what everything is and a very basic way to draw and then says now go nuts. Basically the practical part of his course is not structured well enough for beginners.
The best thing that I used to improve my skills was youtube videos, honestly there is no course I've found that teaches you something that you cant learn for free on youtube or somewhere else online.
I don’t think so, to draw like erak note u have to watch his course.
yeah, Proko courses are mediocre, lack of content, very incomplete, I mean don't get me wrong, he is a very good artist, but his courses are not for beginners, I purchased all of his courses, and I feel like I lost a lot of money, you will definitely learn more buying books. and when you upload your drawings to their webpage to get feedback the admins of their webpage shadowban your artwork if doesn't look good enough.
I felt similarly about Proko's figure drawing course. Brent Eviston's figure drawing course on Udemy was a very good start. I like his teaching style as he really walks you through why and what you're drawing. Udemy also has sales literally all the time so I got the course (never buy the course at full price) when it was £12.00 and I use it constantly.
I watch this on my as I'm sitting in my $3000 tuition paid spot in an art course on my 2nd week of college
Hello, what do you draw on?
I’m still not convinced I’m ready to move on from coloring books.
I know that much of what sungmoo heo teaches can be self taught but im gonna buy his course someday to save myself some learning time BTW Josh nice illustrations looks like you've improved quiet a bit yeah true though pick the right courses because cheap and easy courses won't do much for you im just being honest and you need the right teacher because digital illustration is hard and time consuming
Who’s the artist for the thumbnail
Hi, for someone who doesn't understand English, are there any subtitles other than English?
Hardy Fowlers Lessons Are Really Helpful + They Are Very Cheap
new master's academy does all the positives
Project City had great courses
for a non art major doing this for hobby, here's what I found helpful.
if you don't know where to start: mec brunet have a lot of beginner friendly tutorials on foundational skills like perspective, composition and anatomy, go check him out
for things you know you don't know: look it up on youtube...
for things you don't know you don't know: watch art process videos where the artist walkthrough their thought process. You'll pick up on many skills you didn't even know you need.
for motivation and fresh perspective: don't be shy. join some art community and post your art online for people to critique.
Great artist are not (always) great teacher. Be careful with huge audience channel who want you to enroll in their stuff. It's better to get a preview, free version before buy something. And if there is no free preview, then it's your choice to spend money or not.
Also got attracted by Coloso after accidentally hearing it from Kuya Jaypi. It's like the second course site that went global after Class101 and also features expensive courses. I bought Mogoon14's Stylized Character Art course while also bought Chyan's character design and artwork course since i am very inspired by Japanese/Korean/Chinese artwork. I feel impressed, BUT this started like months ago, and right now after reaching Chapter 11 of Mogoon14's course i felt like it lacked something, or it could be just me. The thing about taking courses is that they are NOT fully meant to have you become a full fledged artist, but give you the overall idea of how to begin studying a specific topic.
This video did actually tease me enough of what Sungmoo Heo's course has to offer even if i actually am also interested taking on his course as well, hoping for me to find more information on how to properly study and get self discipline to build up my foundamentals a bit per day because i'm still in a "premature" phase in trying to find a proper studying habit, and it feels like i'm still in a bird's nest awaiting to know how to really fly like a bird.
I want to ask a question: Since i am very interested in trying to develop my skills to be able to draw Japanese manga styled artwork like Chyan and Mogoon does, will Sungmoo Heo's course suit me to be able to work with stylized characters?
Any good app to use for android tabs? I made a mistake not buying an iPad Air for procreate
Infinite Painter
And it's about the artist, not the tool
As a really beginner with an art tool like photoshop and art in a general, it would be easier if Photoshop and the tools used was in English. I am not a native English speaker, but It would be much easier to pay attention and the subtitiles and fast understand where I am cliking, how the files are been named (learn some standards).
This is one of things that prevent me from starting a such quality course.
Thanks for the video, it was pretty illustrative.
They are in English, all of them even the tools are translated from professional translators
Make it make sense
PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON ART BOOKS!!!! I saw your 2022 desk tour the other day, and now plan on buying Stonehouse's Anatomy. Books and youtube are how I've learned everything I know. And I've always progressed more rapidly with a book to reference. But I'm ignorant of what I don't know, so showing us some resources like that would be a god send. As always, love your videos. And I hope to see you at lightbox next year!
Instead of buying that book, why don’t buy the course of the artist that created that book? He has a course on coloso, the creator of stone house where he yeach to draw from 0, and he explains everything in the book and how to draw it and even more than the book teach
You are so good with explaining things. ありがとうございます。
By the time you want to start paying for courses you'll likely be beyond a beginner. Honestly if you are really new to drawing or trying to improve your drawing, then free tutorials are probably good enough for you to do (and lots of practice of what you learn). Just learn what tutorials you get stuff out of and what ones you don't. Short form (tik tok style) art tips probably aren't worth learning from unless you are looking for something super specific. Most professional lecturers worth knowing about tend to give away their basic advice for free as marketing for their paid for courses.
Best to think of courses or tutorials like a multiplier. Sure it can speed up your art progress two times until you reach the next plateau but 2x0 is 0. You got to put the practice in, both for that aspect itself and also incorporating that aspect into your 'for fun' art or various projects you do. If you aren't internalising through work then you can watch all the tutorials in the world and not improve (how I spent my first year 'learning' art).
What tutorials/channels do you recommend for people like me who want to learn how to draw anime characters with 0 knowledge?
Hi everyone, I’m interested about Erak note course, anyone here who has a review about it?
I really love his art style but I’m a bit sceptical about the course itself.
Is really amazing, but at least u should know about drawing basics to be able to take him
Anybody have experience with Wingfox courses?