Not as cool as “Al U men tium” but very good. You should come to the southern US and we can teach you lots of words and even how to squeal like a pig. 😂
imo being an old Oil Well Guy, it might be worth digging a cellar around the well, 4 feet below grade, before abandoning the well. That keeps your work below ground level and wont be noticed on surface by lawn mowers and such. Great job. I learned a bunch.
Good thinking. As it gets filled in never to be used again. They could have dug out 2 foot of clay, fill in and cover back with clay. Mower blades live longer
I'm really impressed with the way you clean up the job site, and leave it in the condition you found it. It's a darn shame the knuckle head concrete delivery man wasn't on the same page.
@@devilselbow Did you even watch the video? The complaint was not about cleaning the truck, it was about how the driver did not use the boards they laid and instead made ruts all over the yard.
I had a shallow well that went dry. Part of the job for the new deep well was to fill in the old shallow one. My well driller couldn't find the old well. He followed the water line as far as he could, but it disappeared somewhere underground, and he didn't want to tear up the yard looking for it. I eventually found it, it was right underneath a hand pump in the front yard. We thought it was decorative, but it was the real thing. Later on I found a bunch of half inch holes scattered over the front yard that were all old wells. The neighbor came over and told me the former owner would routinely pull up the point and sink it in another area of the yard, often only going down 10-15 feet. As the area got developed, all the shallow wells eventually went dry. My well driller never came back to fill in any if the holes.
Hi Philip, I’m enjoying watching your well content. But I now have a bone to pick with you. As a concrete driver, the biggest term I hear constantly being misused is the term ‘cement’. Cement is the limestone powder that is mixed with sand, aggregate and water, and others to make concrete. The words concrete and cement are not interchangeable! That would be the equivalent of calling cake/pancake batter as flour!
I agree - I do work at a cement factory. Producing literally shiploads of that stuff. And it's not just a grey powder. There are many types, all depending on what you want to do.
I learn more from youtube than anywhere else anymore. I'm definitely using this trick from here on out. We've used old hammer drills to shake the pipe. Sawzalls with wood attached tona blade then a concrete vibrator from harbor freight, and it always takes forever to get the concrete to drop. Some pvc pipe and problem solved 👌🏽 too damn easy to not have thought of it before! We use the same blue barrels, though. We usually cut them down when the concrete dries. Thanks. Have a good one 👍🏽
Nice. Super exciting. I m a 30 plus years as a heavy truck mechanic and most of those years in the dealerships. I switched to a fleet to wrap up my career and went to a large cement company. The amount of stuff I've learned is insane. I always thought sand rocks water and powder and that's it. Nah it's incredible what goes into it. I find videos like this very interesting because it's the only time I see what they do and how they work. Usually when I see them I'm underneath fixing shit. Or chipping to get to a seized drum roller 👎. Anyway ty for putting this up for people to see. 👍🇨🇦🔧
dang that is close to the house, very cool seeing how old infrastructure is properly abandoned., you hear stories where someone is injured by an abandoned well,
@@2003evodave 4-8". Is plenty large enough for injuries. Especially toddlers. Baby Jessica. Took 56 hours to rescue her from an 8" well outside her home.
Same thing happened to my mother. When the inspectors for the county inspected her new well they said it was too close to the house, by less than a foot. Had perfect water, 8 gpm., moved over and drilled again, got half as much water, and it gets muddy. The only thing I enjoyed, as the co. man leaned over to look down the well, his new Ray Ban aviator sunglasses fell out of his pocket and down with the concrete they went.
I call BS. Who drills a new well and not know the regulations? Also unlikely to produce half the volume. Possible, but wicked unlikely. So stop lying. Less than a foot a person seeks a variance, and usually receives it.
@@Look_What_I_Did government has lots of laws that no one knows about until the government wants to be a tyrant. time to shut down the inspectors. don't let them on your property.
Have you ever tried on of the "bigfoot" sono tube bases as a funnel? We use them on the top of sono tubes all the time to shoot the concrete in. Doesn't leave the extra that you have in the bottom of the barrel. Love watching your videos, great balance of explaining everything and showing the process.
Nicely done. Regulations are different in different states. In Wisconsin, this method is not allowed. We can do this with different grout and use a tremie to pump the grout through the pipe instead of flowing it into the well like this. Also the tremie has to be removed. It cannot remain in the well. For most residential wells we are using bentonite chips to fill the well and put a cement plug at the top.
That was very interesting. In my 40 years in this field, I have never heard of reverse trimmy. I have always pumped grout into the trimmy. Great idea and defiantly a time saver. But I don't think Florida Water Management would go for that.
Florida could care less what happens with old wells. My property in FLA has like 12 water wells on it. None of them were ever permitted, nor have been cemented in. Some are probably 100 years old. I just picked the deepest one close to where I built my home to throw a submersible in to supply my home with water. I have a few more good ones if the casing ever fails in the current one I am using. Heck you can still have a drill rig come to your property and drill a unpermitted "weekend special" if you know who to call.
@@bobbysmith5642 I don't know which district you are in, but in the St. Johns and Southwest districts they are pretty strict. Drilling a unpermitted well will lead to stiff penalty's for the driller. Also those open wells around you are a source of contamination for you.
@@drob5664 SW FLA... The county even asked where my water was coming from for the new building. I told them that I have like 12 wells to choose from. They didn't seem surprised, nor did they care. They had no record of any of them.
Thanks, very informative. FYI the term, although pronounced trimmy, is spelled tremie. In major concrete projects like footings the use of the pipe is reversed. A large pipe is set in the hole and the concrete is poured inside of it. That pipe however is slowly raised as the concrete is placed rather than being left in place.
oh that make sense, the French word "trémie" means "funnel" in an industrial context (in particular in the concrete world, but also the powder world, for example the thing that loads grains in the trucks at the bottom of grain silos). I suppose the meaning got slightly changed to mean the dumping pipe below the funnel when crossing the language barrier.
@@nraynaud Yep. This world has a long history of moving words between languages and butchering the spelling. That's how the US started calling the German immigrants in Pennsylvania the "Pennsylvania Dutch".
Love your channel. Found it about a month ago when I wanted to learn more about my well system. A lot of what you do is different than what they do up here in Wisconsin, but it's still fun to watch and learn. As for the last bit of your video, family first of course!
Seems to me the house owner is missing a trick here... They have a perfectly usable shaft whixh could be used for a ground source heat pump, and yet you're filling it it with concrete.
Also odd that the well is apparently not authorized for lawn watering where proximity to the house would be irrelevant. I bought a home with a freshly drilled "compliance well" (the water tested fine fifty years after it was drilled) installed but not connected. That is now my backup well in case of first well failure. Me being me I keep spare well pumps on small skids I made ready to attach to my steel post mount (I'm lazy and like to have spare everything bought opportunistically) and can also use them on the backup well thanks to farm grade garden hose and fittings.
In our county the geothermal well is under similar location constraints as a water well. So we have to site it minimum disances from property line. structures, septic tanks, drain field and water well. Hard sometimes. The house in the vid would have been too close to the abandoned bore to use for geothermal in my county.
You're lucky to be able to do this, most states require by law that it is pumped from bottom to top and that costs a small fortune... almost as much as drilling the well to begin with
Nice video. Good work. It’s a concrete truck and you are filling the well with concrete. Cement is one of the ingredients in concrete. The others are sand, stone, water and air.
I do not drill wells but have plugged old ones with bentonite clay which is recommended by the health department. I like this method better. On average the wells here are 100' to 120 and since I sit above an a larger aquafer my home well is only 48' deep. NW Ohio. Always learn something new and a Big Thumbs up.
We used to do that, but a old well filled with Bentonite never sets up, a few months later the near by well started to get Bentonite cross over through the water veins. We had inspectors on the job trying to explain the situation, then they watched this method & preferred it (as long as the trimmy pipe is near the bottom, the entire bore will fill up with concrete) the fact gravel even comes up & out is proof the concrete gets to the bottom. We always make sure the inspector "OKs" it, before you do anything.
Dude thats a hell of a pad. Even got a fucking moat to walk over. Loved seeing the abandonment method. When we abandoned our 2 wells they just cut them off and buried them. No cement no nothing. And as you know they did the same with the cistrine. lol. We have also had 2 people rip us off on septic in the last 5 years. 2 bad systems.
I worked in the well service 30 years ago. In Nebraska the abandoned well can be filled with gravel and the top 20’ must be sealed bentinite. Or concrete Most old wells are a tube well 2” that have a air motor and pump rod cylinder and leather cups or neoprene
Well, just for the record, we love the content, and at the same time, we know you have a "day job" . Great topic. I really did not know there was a specific system to abandon a well....
Where I live it is done differently. I do not remember the specifics numbers but we would be required to dig a certain depth into the ground around the well casing and then cut it off, push a plug a certain depth into the casing, put two or more pieces of reinforcement bar through the casing that stuck out a couple of feet out the side, and then fill the casing with concrete and then fill the hole we dug with a foot of concrete to create a pad on top of the well to prevent anything from being able to flow down the outside of the casing. Then the dirt you dug up has to be put back in. That way the well casing is plugged inside and outside, the casing can not ever sink any further into the ground, and it is below the maximum depth that the average trencher can dig if you need to run any sort of water, sewer, or gas plumbing as well as electrical lines.
Not sure where you live, but filling a well with concrete in my state is illegal. You must use native materials or bentonite. In fact, the DNR would makey you drill the concrete out and refill it properly.
It's the same in Denmark, you are required to hired a company approve for closing wells, and they have to use bentonite. It cost me 600$ to get a well closed in 2022
Thank you for the great info. Also thank you for the parts I ordered from you! I haven't been able to drop the pump in yet but thank you so much for the awesome service! 🤘
In the oil and gas industry we call it U-tubing, the cement is heaver then fresh water so basically the cement is pushing the water out. The yield of the cement is probably between 15 and 20 pounds per gallon and fresh water is around 8.3ppg so if you do the math with 300 feet of cement pushing down on fresh water you can actually get some dangerous psi.
I abandoned two wells inside of a old missile Silo from the 60s each well took 22 cement trucks full of neet cement pressure pumped from bottom up.They did allow the trim pipe to stay in well.
Interesting, so when we abandon Wells we actually use a pump truck or a drill rig. We still send the PVC down sc40 with coupler then we use a grout pump to sent cement to the bottom. Pump a batch then pull 40-60 ft at a time rinse as you go and you can use that grout pipe 20-30 times easy. Some applications you can get away with a lay flat hose also.
That’s pretty amazing. Somebody taught you that years ago. I’m sure any Joe Schuck would just try to keep filling that hole all day. Long bubbling up air pockets that’s just the cats ass with that 1 inch pipe going right down just above the waterline.
That doesn't contaminate the aquifer? I would have run the septic towards the shop building, away from the house and well. Enjoying your videos! Yrs ago went down my 3 ft diameter farm well that had not been used for many yrs to clean it out. Interesting experience! Gotta have someone you Really Trust up topside. Produced good water for many yrs.
And the new well is 90 feet shallower than the old one...probably the same water, just closer to the septic field lines. Go figure. My grandparents had a 30' shallow well located 20 ' from the outhouse. Nobody told them what they had to do and they lived to be 80+. Nowadays, it's not YOUR field drain that endangers you & others but government & industry.
This reminds me of a house back in the 1940's. The kitchen sink had a hand pump which we used to get our water. I assume the kitchen was directly over the well or a cistern that was filled by a spring. We've come a long way baby. Water is necessary for life but we (the general public) give it too little attention.
I am a lifelong resident of Texas on the coast. I have owned property and water wells, I do not understand why you have to do anything to the old well. Cap it, leave it be. Water table decides our water wells depth. We have to have the sand blown out at the foot valve at the screen at the bottom, but never heard of doing the cement deal
In the 1970s and 80s I worked as Petroleum Geologist an the switched to Environmental Geologist in the early 90s and was surprised how poorly water wells were regulated. The completion design was poor and abandonment was worse, leaving lots areas for contamination into the well bore. It is nice to see how much better it has become since I left the industry in the mid. 90s. I do have question about the logic in using the gravel. In the oil fields and water wells, neat cement was used for cementing in casing and well abandonment. I cannot think of an advantage of the gravel other than saving cost on cement. Oh back then some water well folks would mix bentonite with the cement thinking that it would help with the seal. I would not let them because in the oil fields bentonite would be mix into cement that was to be drilled out later because it weakened the cement. Oh very nice work and clean jobsite.
I would guess that the bottom couple of meters of the well in this procedure would be only aggregate. The sand and cement would be washed up the tremie and run out over the grass. Not a big problem for the grass but may be a problem for some plants and certainly bad next to a water course. The aggregate would quickly be held in place by friction so then hold up the column of concrete until it sets. If neat cement was used there would be a lot less friction at the bottom of the well stopping it coming back up the tremie with the water. I would guess that you would have a lot more cement coming up the tremie maybe in enough volume to cause a problem on a residential property. You would grout the tremie as well as the rest of the well which is something you would want on an oil well. There would be some cost saving with the use of aggregate but it may not be so big compared with all the other costs including part load charge because the truck only had 3yds (I think). You can transport grout in the back of ready mix trucks but you can only half fill them, not a problem in this case but would be if the pipe was bigger.
I viewed till the end to hear you explain the reasoning behind filling the well. But I am still sad that the well had to be decommissioned. After all of the time, effort and expense to create the well, couldn't the owner use that particular water from the well for other purposes like watering that immense yard?
If it were my well, I'd have had you put the last 20ft or more as galvanized steal pipe and then use the concrete pad for a flag pole base. If it were further from the house, I'd use it for a small wind generator.
Wish i had known about this, when i filled the well on ym old property. Old well was hand dug, and when they put the septic in, they put the leach field less than 20 feet from the well.
We found a well dug out by hand about 300 ft deep and 6 foot in diameter it was a very old well but what the contractor who was tearing down the house did and it was what the codes said had to be done was fill it with sand just sand. It took about 2 or 3 large long dump trucks of river sand to fill it. Nice thing about sand is it filters out anything going down to the ground water, and in that area everyone was on city water anyway. And that system was so old the main lines had to be replaced. Were talking a well that was dug out about 1865 the city water went in in the 1920s or so the street main was closed about 75% by that time. With the sand you didn't need a purge pipe to bleed off the air. Gravel would work also. But cement go ahead and put in a flag pole that sucker is never going to move.
My old well was betonite filled too. The casing was cut off about 10' down and pulled out. Sadly there was no way I could dodge it. I wanted to use it for lrrigation and livestock. But State know about is so required it plugged.
You're assuming that water only comes out of the well and possible contamination from the septic system can't go down. The old well needed to be filled to prevent any possible leakage from the septic system from contaminating the ground water below which in turn is pumped up by the new well and consumed.
Bentonite does a better job of sealing the shaft than concrete. You don't have to worry about the water because the bentonite absorbs the water and that cause it to expand against the sides of the shaft while still staying flexible. The concrete is rigid and water can pipe along it contaminating other aquifers. In my state an abandoned well casing must be cut off at least 12" below the surface.
in Highway construction they have a product called select flowable fill. If it was allowed it would flow done the pipe anc could bet topped off with Sakrete.
Why would you need to fill it in? Most modern wells are not large enough for even a child to fall into and as long as they are capped I don't see a problem with them as is. If you did need to concrete them in why not just wedge something say ten feet down and stick some rebar through the casing walls to prevent the concrete from slipping down then fill the rest with concrete, I see no real reason to fill the entire well in with concrete. What am I missing?
The well hole can take in ground water and contaminents. In some states this isn't allowed, and they request grout instead, I had a dead well and it wasn't capped but still had water at the bottom due to seepage, I took a sample of this as curiosity and it was disgusting foul and stagnant and the smell was horrid, I filled the well with dry clay and I'm not sure if this was legal or correct but it did work, I did try to pull up the casing to use as fence posts but it broke about 15 foot down and stayed that way lol
I've seen Haliburton Co.. do this with a pumper truck and a support truck and about five guys. They got to the well about 10 AM and were leaving before 11.
Dann, I life in a country where we are forbidden to generate our own drinking water, but I am addicted to your videos, and I must say, man you really know what you do! Keep it up
As an English person, I love the way you say SEEment.
Americans made cement, so we can call it whatevrr you want
@@dac518 WRONG
@@morton228 americans are always right
Not as cool as “Al U men tium” but very good. You should come to the southern US and we can teach you lots of words and even how to squeal like a pig. 😂
As an American, thank you for Triumph motorcycles and Kate Beckinsale.
imo being an old Oil Well Guy, it might be worth digging a cellar around the well, 4 feet below grade, before abandoning the well.
That keeps your work below ground level and wont be noticed on surface by lawn mowers and such.
Great job. I learned a bunch.
Good thinking. As it gets filled in never to be used again. They could have dug out 2 foot of clay, fill in and cover back with clay. Mower blades live longer
I love the way you clean up behind yourself. Very professional!.
I really love your attention to the customer's property. Thanks for sharing your work and expertise.
I'm really impressed with the way you clean up the job site, and leave it in the condition you found it. It's a darn shame the knuckle head concrete delivery man wasn't on the same page.
Walk a Mile in his Shoes .
@@devilselbow Did you even watch the video? The complaint was not about cleaning the truck, it was about how the driver did not use the boards they laid and instead made ruts all over the yard.
@@devilselbow they had a ready made path to the well for the truck who instead went and got stuck in the dirt
@@devilselbow If you deliver concrete I'd hope you know the importance of laying out a path and following it so you don't squash the homeowner's lawn.
Another reason to video job proof of who screwed up!
I didn't ask the question on how to abandon a well. You learn something everyday. Worth a subscribe
Whenever I abandon a well I just tell it I am going out for milk and cigarettes and will be back in an hour.
This is why I love the internet. I enjoyed learning something interesting that I never even knew I wanted to know about. 👍
I totally dug watching this video. Well oiled machine on how that works. Thanks for sharing 😊
I had a shallow well that went dry. Part of the job for the new deep well was to fill in the old shallow one. My well driller couldn't find the old well. He followed the water line as far as he could, but it disappeared somewhere underground, and he didn't want to tear up the yard looking for it. I eventually found it, it was right underneath a hand pump in the front yard. We thought it was decorative, but it was the real thing. Later on I found a bunch of half inch holes scattered over the front yard that were all old wells. The neighbor came over and told me the former owner would routinely pull up the point and sink it in another area of the yard, often only going down 10-15 feet. As the area got developed, all the shallow wells eventually went dry. My well driller never came back to fill in any if the holes.
You should, having holes in the ground like that provide really quick pathways for contaminants to get into the ground water.
Maybe you should pay your well driller, and I bet he'll come back to do the extra work. 😉
Hi Philip, I’m enjoying watching your well content. But I now have a bone to pick with you.
As a concrete driver, the biggest term I hear constantly being misused is the term ‘cement’. Cement is the limestone powder that is mixed with sand, aggregate and water, and others to make concrete.
The words concrete and cement are not interchangeable!
That would be the equivalent of calling cake/pancake batter as flour!
Kinda like a loaf of flour.
C-ment??? C-Oncrete.
Oddly enough, the dry bulk semi tractor and trailor that delivers that grey powder ingredient to the batch plant is called a cement truck. 😂
I agree - I do work at a cement factory. Producing literally shiploads of that stuff. And it's not just a grey powder. There are many types, all depending on what you want to do.
@@lownslowav8r Semen?
That was nice of you to tell US ALL that fact. Thank you too
Great video I learned something new today.
The well digger; another unsung hero of modern times.
I learn more from youtube than anywhere else anymore. I'm definitely using this trick from here on out. We've used old hammer drills to shake the pipe. Sawzalls with wood attached tona blade then a concrete vibrator from harbor freight, and it always takes forever to get the concrete to drop. Some pvc pipe and problem solved 👌🏽 too damn easy to not have thought of it before! We use the same blue barrels, though. We usually cut them down when the concrete dries. Thanks. Have a good one 👍🏽
Nice. Super exciting. I m a 30 plus years as a heavy truck mechanic and most of those years in the dealerships. I switched to a fleet to wrap up my career and went to a large cement company. The amount of stuff I've learned is insane. I always thought sand rocks water and powder and that's it. Nah it's incredible what goes into it. I find videos like this very interesting because it's the only time I see what they do and how they work. Usually when I see them I'm underneath fixing shit. Or chipping to get to a seized drum roller 👎. Anyway ty for putting this up for people to see. 👍🇨🇦🔧
dang that is close to the house, very cool seeing how old infrastructure is properly abandoned., you hear stories where someone is injured by an abandoned well,
Those are large diameter, usually hand dug wells not these 4-8” diameter wells.
@@2003evodave 4-8". Is plenty large enough for injuries. Especially toddlers.
Baby Jessica. Took 56 hours to rescue her from an 8" well outside her home.
I have no idea why this was recommended for me but it was very interesting.
Same thing happened to my mother. When the inspectors for the county inspected her new well they said it was too close to the house, by less than a foot. Had perfect water, 8 gpm.,
moved over and drilled again, got half as much water, and it gets muddy. The only thing I enjoyed, as the co. man leaned over to look down the well, his new Ray Ban aviator sunglasses fell out of his pocket and down with the concrete they went.
I call BS. Who drills a new well and not know the regulations? Also unlikely to produce half the volume. Possible, but wicked unlikely. So stop lying. Less than a foot a person seeks a variance, and usually receives it.
@@Look_What_I_Did Not everyone doe their job properly. I've worked behind some utter morons!
I would have never let the inspector on the property in the first place.
@@Look_What_I_Did government has lots of laws that no one knows about until the government wants to be a tyrant. time to shut down the inspectors. don't let them on your property.
@@Look_What_I_DidYou need mental fucking help.
Now you just have to find a cement company that has the same care and professionalism that ya'll have.
I have a feeling there isn't one that exists in the US.
Find one that films youtube video, it help boost their professionalism usually...
Have you ever tried on of the "bigfoot" sono tube bases as a funnel? We use them on the top of sono tubes all the time to shoot the concrete in. Doesn't leave the extra that you have in the bottom of the barrel. Love watching your videos, great balance of explaining everything and showing the process.
Nicely done. Regulations are different in different states. In Wisconsin, this method is not allowed. We can do this with different grout and use a tremie to pump the grout through the pipe instead of flowing it into the well like this. Also the tremie has to be removed. It cannot remain in the well. For most residential wells we are using bentonite chips to fill the well and put a cement plug at the top.
yup, bentonite chips capped with a foot or two of concrete is my preferred choice. I hated doing the portand cement method.
Love the red, white and blue buckets.
That was very interesting. In my 40 years in this field, I have never heard of reverse trimmy. I have always pumped grout into the trimmy. Great idea and defiantly a time saver. But I don't think Florida Water Management would go for that.
It is TREMIE, not "Trimmy". It is a man's name, the guy who invented the Tremie tube.
What ever dude, you got me good.@@curlydave7689
Florida could care less what happens with old wells. My property in FLA has like 12 water wells on it. None of them were ever permitted, nor have been cemented in. Some are probably 100 years old. I just picked the deepest one close to where I built my home to throw a submersible in to supply my home with water. I have a few more good ones if the casing ever fails in the current one I am using. Heck you can still have a drill rig come to your property and drill a unpermitted "weekend special" if you know who to call.
@@bobbysmith5642 I don't know which district you are in, but in the St. Johns and Southwest districts they are pretty strict. Drilling a unpermitted well will lead to stiff penalty's for the driller. Also those open wells around you are a source of contamination for you.
@@drob5664 SW FLA... The county even asked where my water was coming from for the new building. I told them that I have like 12 wells to choose from. They didn't seem surprised, nor did they care. They had no record of any of them.
Thanks, very informative.
FYI the term, although pronounced trimmy, is spelled tremie.
In major concrete projects like footings the use of the pipe is reversed. A large pipe is set in the hole and the concrete is poured inside of it. That pipe however is slowly raised as the concrete is placed rather than being left in place.
oh that make sense, the French word "trémie" means "funnel" in an industrial context (in particular in the concrete world, but also the powder world, for example the thing that loads grains in the trucks at the bottom of grain silos). I suppose the meaning got slightly changed to mean the dumping pipe below the funnel when crossing the language barrier.
@@nraynaud Yep. This world has a long history of moving words between languages and butchering the spelling. That's how the US started calling the German immigrants in Pennsylvania the "Pennsylvania Dutch".
Every one has their ways of doing things.
Very good video. love how you explain things to us that don't work in your industry.
Love your channel. Found it about a month ago when I wanted to learn more about my well system. A lot of what you do is different than what they do up here in Wisconsin, but it's still fun to watch and learn. As for the last bit of your video, family first of course!
Absolutely! Taking them to the fair today!
I'm in training to supervise the drillers' work, so this is very informative content. Thank you.
That has got to suck paying to get that drilled only to have to pay to fill it with cement and repeat the process all over again lol.
8:50 Catch all the heavy stuff in the bucket ? Sounds like a Gold Miner 😂😂
Never seen this procedure.
Thanks
I have no idea how I found your channel but it's so interesting. Just watched the drill truck video and it's an amazing machine!
I never knew there was such a process let alone what it's called; Now I do. Thank you for the education.
Seems to me the house owner is missing a trick here...
They have a perfectly usable shaft whixh could be used for a ground source heat pump, and yet you're filling it it with concrete.
Also odd that the well is apparently not authorized for lawn watering where proximity to the house would be irrelevant. I bought a home with a freshly drilled "compliance well" (the water tested fine fifty years after it was drilled) installed but not connected. That is now my backup well in case of first well failure. Me being me I keep spare well pumps on small skids I made ready to attach to my steel post mount (I'm lazy and like to have spare everything bought opportunistically) and can also use them on the backup well thanks to farm grade garden hose and fittings.
In our county the geothermal well is under similar location constraints as a water well. So we have to site it minimum disances from property line. structures, septic tanks, drain field and water well. Hard sometimes. The house in the vid would have been too close to the abandoned bore to use for geothermal in my county.
@@JoeKubinec Plenty of wells are in the basement of houses. Why does proximity to a structure matter?
You're lucky to be able to do this, most states require by law that it is pumped from bottom to top and that costs a small fortune... almost as much as drilling the well to begin with
Great
Great to learn something new. My local township is coming through with public water and I was curious what I should do with the current drilled well
If the well liner is good why not keep the well.
That's not a beam it's a post. Very good video! Glad to see you are doing such a good job on sealing that well up, helps protect the aquifer.
I appreciate your hard work and taking the time to explain the operation. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
That was cool. this was a new one on me, after 35 years of driving a mixer. thank you.
Nice video. Good work. It’s a concrete truck and you are filling the well with concrete. Cement is one of the ingredients in concrete. The others are sand, stone, water and air.
I do not drill wells but have plugged old ones with bentonite clay which is recommended by the health department. I like this method better. On average the wells here are 100' to 120 and since I sit above an a larger aquafer my home well is only 48' deep. NW Ohio. Always learn something new and a Big Thumbs up.
We used to do that, but a old well filled with Bentonite never sets up, a few months later the near by well started to get Bentonite cross over through the water veins. We had inspectors on the job trying to explain the situation, then they watched this method & preferred it (as long as the trimmy pipe is near the bottom, the entire bore will fill up with concrete) the fact gravel even comes up & out is proof the concrete gets to the bottom. We always make sure the inspector "OKs" it, before you do anything.
Sorry, Cement is the powder glue you add to sand and gravel to make Concrete
We ALL know that. It's all in the context.
@@GilmerJohnMost people DON’T know.
That's one of the darndest thing I've ever seen. Kool beans.
Good explanation! It is actually a Tremie pipe rather then a Trimmy pipe.
Dude thats a hell of a pad. Even got a fucking moat to walk over. Loved seeing the abandonment method. When we abandoned our 2 wells they just cut them off and buried them. No cement no nothing. And as you know they did the same with the cistrine. lol.
We have also had 2 people rip us off on septic in the last 5 years. 2 bad systems.
@@Tanks_In_Space Im city now. dont care about groundwater. hence why we abandoned 2 wells and a cistrine.
Thanks for the great video I learned a lot from in and it was absolutely interesting to watch.
I learn something new ! Thank you
Never seen this done before… cool
I worked in the well service 30 years ago. In Nebraska the abandoned well can be filled with gravel and the top 20’ must be sealed bentinite. Or concrete Most old wells are a tube well 2” that have a air motor and pump rod cylinder and leather cups or neoprene
Felton bros really had their head up their arse driving the cement truck all over the lawn without coordinating
Well, just for the record, we love the content, and at the same time, we know you have a "day job" .
Great topic. I really did not know there was a specific system to abandon a well....
Where I live it is done differently. I do not remember the specifics numbers but we would be required to dig a certain depth into the ground around the well casing and then cut it off, push a plug a certain depth into the casing, put two or more pieces of reinforcement bar through the casing that stuck out a couple of feet out the side, and then fill the casing with concrete and then fill the hole we dug with a foot of concrete to create a pad on top of the well to prevent anything from being able to flow down the outside of the casing. Then the dirt you dug up has to be put back in.
That way the well casing is plugged inside and outside, the casing can not ever sink any further into the ground, and it is below the maximum depth that the average trencher can dig if you need to run any sort of water, sewer, or gas plumbing as well as electrical lines.
Not sure where you live, but filling a well with concrete in my state is illegal. You must use native materials or bentonite. In fact, the DNR would makey you drill the concrete out and refill it properly.
Interesting and sounds less expensive.
It's the same in Denmark, you are required to hired a company approve for closing wells, and they have to use bentonite. It cost me 600$ to get a well closed in 2022
Cool. Great idea.
Love it when I learn something new thank you.😎
So, you could re-use the original drop pipe for the filling -- assuming you didn't move it to your new well casing. 😉👍
Thank you for the great info. Also thank you for the parts I ordered from you! I haven't been able to drop the pump in yet but thank you so much for the awesome service! 🤘
In the oil and gas industry we call it U-tubing, the cement is heaver then fresh water so basically the cement is pushing the water out. The yield of the cement is probably between 15 and 20 pounds per gallon and fresh water is around 8.3ppg so if you do the math with 300 feet of cement pushing down on fresh water you can actually get some dangerous psi.
Put a U-bent rebar into the buckets of concrete to make an anchor for small tents and sunshades.
That was interesting, and I had no idea of such a process. Clever. Thank you for showing this.
I abandoned two wells inside of a old missile Silo from the 60s each well took 22 cement trucks full of neet cement pressure pumped from bottom up.They did allow the trim pipe to stay in well.
Interesting, so when we abandon Wells we actually use a pump truck or a drill rig.
We still send the PVC down sc40 with coupler then we use a grout pump to sent cement to the bottom. Pump a batch then pull 40-60 ft at a time rinse as you go and you can use that grout pipe 20-30 times easy. Some applications you can get away with a lay flat hose also.
I learn a lot from your videos. I hope to see more from you soon. Thanks for all you do ❤
That’s pretty amazing. Somebody taught you that years ago. I’m sure any Joe Schuck would just try to keep filling that hole all day. Long bubbling up air pockets that’s just the cats ass with that 1 inch pipe going right down just above the waterline.
That doesn't contaminate the aquifer? I would have run the septic towards the shop building, away from the house and well. Enjoying your videos! Yrs ago went down my 3 ft diameter farm well that had not been used for many yrs to clean it out. Interesting experience! Gotta have someone you Really Trust up topside. Produced good water for many yrs.
And the new well is 90 feet shallower than the old one...probably the same water, just closer to the septic field lines. Go figure. My grandparents had a 30' shallow well located 20 ' from the outhouse. Nobody told them what they had to do and they lived to be 80+. Nowadays, it's not YOUR field drain that endangers you & others but government & industry.
Contaminate the aquifer how? Concrete solidifies into rock, just like all the other rock down there.
This reminds me of a house back in the 1940's. The kitchen sink had a hand pump which we used to get our water. I assume the kitchen was directly over the well or a cistern that was filled by a spring. We've come a long way baby. Water is necessary for life but we (the general public) give it too little attention.
Pretty neat!! Did you think about using pipe with bell ends? Might have been better than couplings
I am a lifelong resident of Texas on the coast. I have owned property and water wells, I do not understand why you have to do anything to the old well. Cap it, leave it be. Water table decides our water wells depth. We have to have the sand blown out at the foot valve at the screen at the bottom, but never heard of doing the cement deal
In the 1970s and 80s I worked as Petroleum Geologist an the switched to Environmental Geologist in the early 90s and was surprised how poorly water wells were regulated. The completion design was poor and abandonment was worse, leaving lots areas for contamination into the well bore. It is nice to see how much better it has become since I left the industry in the mid. 90s. I do have question about the logic in using the gravel. In the oil fields and water wells, neat cement was used for cementing in casing and well abandonment. I cannot think of an advantage of the gravel other than saving cost on cement. Oh back then some water well folks would mix bentonite with the cement thinking that it would help with the seal. I would not let them because in the oil fields bentonite would be mix into cement that was to be drilled out later because it weakened the cement.
Oh very nice work and clean jobsite.
I would guess that the bottom couple of meters of the well in this procedure would be only aggregate. The sand and cement would be washed up the tremie and run out over the grass. Not a big problem for the grass but may be a problem for some plants and certainly bad next to a water course. The aggregate would quickly be held in place by friction so then hold up the column of concrete until it sets.
If neat cement was used there would be a lot less friction at the bottom of the well stopping it coming back up the tremie with the water. I would guess that you would have a lot more cement coming up the tremie maybe in enough volume to cause a problem on a residential property. You would grout the tremie as well as the rest of the well which is something you would want on an oil well.
There would be some cost saving with the use of aggregate but it may not be so big compared with all the other costs including part load charge because the truck only had 3yds (I think). You can transport grout in the back of ready mix trucks but you can only half fill them, not a problem in this case but would be if the pipe was bigger.
On the west coast we pull out the casing before back filling the well.
I viewed till the end to hear you explain the reasoning behind filling the well. But I am still sad that the well had to be decommissioned. After all of the
time, effort and expense to create the well, couldn't the owner use that particular water from the well for other purposes like watering that immense yard?
Would you really want to water your garden if you know it might contains your fecal?
It could have been used for a heat pump circuit.
If it were my well, I'd have had you put the last 20ft or more as galvanized steal pipe and then use the concrete pad for a flag pole base. If it were further from the house, I'd use it for a small wind generator.
He could use the old well for geothermal.
Too close to house in my county. And may have been too close to septic.
Good work ethic for your clean up on jobs.
You're probably 1 out of 10 that keeps the work area clean and leaves the job clean or cleaner than it was when you arrived.
I was really waiting for the truck
What are the benefits of filling the well vs just abandoning it and drilling a new one?
@MarcoAggressor - it is to prevent contamination of the underground water.
Man realing that tape measure I'd have hooked an electric drill on it 😂
Wish i had known about this, when i filled the well on ym old property.
Old well was hand dug, and when they put the septic in, they put the leach field less than 20 feet from the well.
Here in Aridzona they put a minimal poured pad with rusty hardware or, just stuff a rock in it and walk away; we got a lot of rocks! 🤠
We had 5 wells on our farm that the state made us fill with concrete.
Interesting. Good quality work
SEEment? Like the Beverly Hillbillies and their SEEment pond?
We found a well dug out by hand about 300 ft deep and 6 foot in diameter it was a very old well but what the contractor who was tearing down the house did and it was what the codes said had to be done was fill it with sand just sand.
It took about 2 or 3 large long dump trucks of river sand to fill it.
Nice thing about sand is it filters out anything going down to the ground water, and in that area everyone was on city water anyway.
And that system was so old the main lines had to be replaced.
Were talking a well that was dug out about 1865 the city water went in in the 1920s or so the street main was closed about 75% by that time. With the sand you didn't need a purge pipe to bleed off the air. Gravel would work also.
But cement go ahead and put in a flag pole that sucker is never going to move.
Good vid ! very good info. Now I’m a Pro ! 😂.
Why was cement used rather than bentonite? Was it requires by code, or based on site considerations?
My old well was betonite filled too. The casing was cut off about 10' down and pulled out.
Sadly there was no way I could dodge it. I wanted to use it for lrrigation and livestock. But State know about is so required it plugged.
@@benjurqunov Yep. cant use the water under your dirt! go blue!
Great job sir! Like it.
I didn't know there was a process for getting rid of old wells. Reverse trimming does make sense, though.
Interesting, I would have kept the well and used it for irrigation.
You're assuming that water only comes out of the well and possible contamination from the septic system can't go down. The old well needed to be filled to prevent any possible leakage from the septic system from contaminating the ground water below which in turn is pumped up by the new well and consumed.
@@johncochran8497I was wondering why it had to be filled with cement. Thanks for answering my question.
Bentonite does a better job of sealing the shaft than concrete.
You don't have to worry about the water because the bentonite absorbs the water and that cause it to expand against the sides of the shaft while still staying flexible.
The concrete is rigid and water can pipe along it contaminating other aquifers.
In my state an abandoned well casing must be cut off at least 12" below the surface.
Now that's pretty cool
in Highway construction they have a product called select flowable fill. If it was allowed it would flow done the pipe anc could bet topped off with Sakrete.
I think the Trimmy pipe got plugged but the gravel that was bigger than ordered but enough went in there, it's all good!
Interesting action for a well being to close to the septic system. I understand why. Poor planning suspect.
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Great work brother!
Why would you need to fill it in? Most modern wells are not large enough for even a child to fall into and as long as they are capped I don't see a problem with them as is. If you did need to concrete them in why not just wedge something say ten feet down and stick some rebar through the casing walls to prevent the concrete from slipping down then fill the rest with concrete, I see no real reason to fill the entire well in with concrete. What am I missing?
The well hole can take in ground water and contaminents. In some states this isn't allowed, and they request grout instead, I had a dead well and it wasn't capped but still had water at the bottom due to seepage, I took a sample of this as curiosity and it was disgusting foul and stagnant and the smell was horrid, I filled the well with dry clay and I'm not sure if this was legal or correct but it did work, I did try to pull up the casing to use as fence posts but it broke about 15 foot down and stayed that way lol
Regulations/code probably. We are subjected to regulations in every aspect of life.
Stops groundwater contamination. Don't want dog poop runoff in your drinking water.
I've seen Haliburton Co.. do this with a pumper truck and a support truck and about five guys. They got to the well about 10 AM and were leaving before 11.
You said a well but my mind wasn't ready for a hole through the mantle.
Way easier than drilling the well
Dann, I life in a country where we are forbidden to generate our own drinking water, but I am addicted to your videos, and I must say, man you really know what you do! Keep it up
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Glad I don't live where freedom is so restricted.
6:37 our definitions of cool are drastically different.
7:15 once again.