Prof. Michael Levitt | Direct | COVID-19: Choices and Consequences
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- Professor Michael Levitt FRS is a globally renowned biophysicist and chemist. He received the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry, together with Martin Karplus and Arieh Warshel, "for the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems." His long record of distinguished research and innate understanding of computer modelling make his insights into the COVID-19 pandemic indispensable.
Professor Levitt is Robert W. and Vivian K. Cahill Professor in Cancer Research in the Stanford University School of Medicine and Professor of Structural Biology and (by courtesy) of Computer Science.
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When my elderly grandmother was moved to assisted living at ~85, her only concern was how unfair it was for her to still be alive after my 49 year old father had died of pneumonia (not covid - this was 20 years ago). With all due respect to the very elderly, who should of course be cherished and better integrated into the rest of the world - the mental health and future of children, and the ability of their parents to support them financially, is a more important consideration than prolonging the lives of people who can't survive a moderate virus.
- If you ask me, governments were all scared into action by the media and pharma lobbyists (I include the Gates Foundation and pharma-funded universities in this), and once they acted had no way of retreating as it would open them up to an avalanche of wrongful death lawsuits. Same way they quietly retreated from using ventilators - they knew it was wrong and the cause of mass death, but couldn't admit it. This has been the stupidest period in human history.
Yes, one has to consider the impact on all facets of society. I like his idea of AI to aid decisiom making. Humans are not good this typemof decision making.
I dont think there was anything deliberately scary. It is just that the media focused on China buildijg a hospital in 5 days. The Chinese feared something like the first SARS, and then there was the images from Italy. They had a big influence. From there it just took off.
Well said🙏🏻
I got lost when you called it moderate virus. As compared to Ebola? We are on our way to losing 200,000 deaths. If our bodies didn't respond so severely and it wasn't causing all age ranges I would agree. I lost a 17 yrs old patient. I lost a 24 yrs old patient. I lost a 43 yrs old patient. My co worker in pediatrics lost a 7 years old patient. Its moderate to you till it happens to you.
@@arezooshaytoon According to WHO, seasonal flu causes 250-500,000 deaths per year. I don't know what country you're in but the US CDC publishes statistics of deaths from seasonal flu, and there are many more deaths of young people each year of seasonal flu than there are of Covid-19. Life is tragic, but you can't lock the world down or everyone goes broke and starves.
My son had a weird cold during the last week of January, and just for grins got tested for antibodies a couple of weeks ago. Turns out he did have the ‘Rona and was probably infecting tons of other people since he serves beer at a microbrewery. All his co-workers and lots of customers were sick during that same period, but everyone recovered without problems. So we’re probably closer to herd immunity than the experts want to admit.
Pissedoff Chica is a dim bulb.
BamBamBatMan Hh
I've been saying it's been around since before Christmas, my sister and her family all had terrible coughs and a temperature that would come down then spike again. We're just coming to the end of the 2nd wave now
MrDandaowen The current reported number of active COVID-19 cases in Australia at May 20 was about 600. And even if we’ve only diagnosed one in every ten people currently infected, this still represents less than 0.03% of the population.
MrDandaowen While we’re still establishing the specificity of tests for SARS-CoV-2 (the coronavirus that causes COVID-19), early evidence suggests an estimate of 99% or greater is reasonable.
However, following the same calculations as in the example above, at a prevalence of 0.03%, even a test with 99.9% specificity would mean only 30% of people who test positive actually have the condition. This means more than two-thirds of positive results would actually be false positives if we were testing asymptomatic people with no increased risk.
He's absolutely right about assigning C-19 as cause of death. Here in the UK it's felt like we're desperate to get to the top of the league table. If C-19 was present at death, even if that's not proven to be the cause, C-19 goes on the death certificate as cause of death. The death toll specifically due to C-19 has been estimated by some to be more like 15k which is well in line with seasonal trends.
"Here in the UK it's felt like we're desperate to get to the top of the league table. " I would doubt that is the case.
Different countries count deaths differently and it would be good to have a global standard. It's consistency that we want, not necessarily an absolute exact number. And it is not an exact science. Counting patients with C-19 even if it hasn't been proven to be the cause of death probably paints a more accurate picture than not because there is no way to prove any cause of death, but it is reasonable to assume that C-19 played a role in the death. This may not always be the case, but on balance will get a more accurate number. Not counting such cases or not testing for C-19 would result in an undercounting.
@@johnforde7735 We should also be told which countries or areas paid extra money for treating Covid patients and Covid deaths.
John Forde that is certainly not reasonable..it's malfeasance of the highest order you lunatic!
Its there everyday in the government breifing. The wording says x amount of people have died WITH covid 19. It doesn’t say how many people died OF covid 19
When I listen to discussions like this I think why bother watching TV.
I stopped watching TV 10 years ago. It's no loss. Just like Radio it was cool when it was new.
But we need to find a way to get more video platforms. UA-cam is a little to powerful especially since it's one company with Google.
@@chris_sndw Me too, never looked back.
Because it then becomes so clear and blatant how the MSM have been ordered to frighten the life out of the public with manipulating figures and nonsense
I am not a doctor but I was predicting this stuff in March. People screamed at me that I didn't know what I was talking about and they were right. I was applying logic but I had no expertise. Now expertise has been found to be highly overrated.
Me too
Yeah same here
Excellent interview John. Very impressed with your courteous manner, allowing your guest to speak. He was so clearly very well informed and for me absolutely spot on.
Coming back here after all this time, I have to say Micheal Levitt saved my life. I don’t know if I would have woken up so abruptly without hearing him speak. I owe you a great debt sir.
This needs decent audio quality
Probably something to do with that incredibly high speed internet in Australia :/
First THEY said: “You don’t need a mask!”
Now THEY say: “You MUST wear a mask!”
Sorry guys- NO CREDIBILITY!!!
They told us we don’t need masks because they didn’t have enough for everyone at the time. Why criticize officials if they change the directives as they discover more about the virus? I distrust anyone who refuses to change their opinion.
@@HoustonHoney Its not the case of refusing to change our opinion, but because governments and medias do not explain why they change their minds regarding masks. We are treated like children. This is what frustrates people the most. Personally i have not been convinced by the science behind masks. There are too many scientific studies that state that the masks are totally ineffective. So to force a whole population to wear masks when science is so divided by it is criminal.
So do you suggest that experts form an opinion with very little data and then refuse to change that opinion if the data suggests they are wrong? That is not how science works.
A brilliant analysis based on direct observation of the data. Thank you Prof. Levitt.
Ferguson's was a bit busy with his lover.......
Mr. Levitt you are basically saying almost the exact same things that I was saying in March as my own predictions almost word for word. I find it so amazing that I managed to get to the same conclusions as you and I had no idea you were doing it. One day I will create the world that you wish to see sir. I am a writer and I will inspire the world with truth and justice.
This is a very good overview of Covid. There needs to be an inquiry as to the handling, different strategies and their effect or lack of same. People like this professor need to be on the board of inquiry. Covid has shown up problems with Goverment response and the multi facets of science and the part media plays.
Ah that's not how government works..
51:37 "...in the same way we don't question Google Maps..."
I can tell you from personal experience that you should question it sometimes.
With all due respect to Dr. Levitt, a brilliant scientist, his number analysis does add insights into the death rate analysis. HOWEVER, he has shown little analysis of the medical, social, and economic impacts of those that in fact do survive after lengthy, costly and disruptive hospital visits. His analysis is incomplete without it.
One of the best impartial interviews looking at., the numbers only without the media generated hysteria...
..narrative!@!?😉😎
Thank you John.
Mr. Prof. Michael Levitt you are a truly brilliant mind, love your analytical way and thinking and also your metaphor with the trees. Keep up the good work, the truth will always prevail eventually.
Michael Levitt is adorable! and he obviously sees data in the same way that Mozart saw music.
Though I think he's hopelessly naive when he says he'd like to see a world government. Most of us aren't as brilliant as Professor Levitt, but we can jolly well see what would happen if they started publishing global deaths like the Stock Market, every time there was the hint of a crash the politicians would start running about like headless chickens, as they have done on this occasion (and as John obviously thinks in that point in the interview!)
Hilary Wade WHO did act like and was followed like a world government for this covid19 crisis. A lesson for people who want world government/bureaucracy.
Agree. At a certain point Academia fails.. you end up making assumptions which are unjustified just to get a solution.
Asking for a world government is essentially asking for no experimentation in how governing is done - it's a very odd stance, and yet a seemingly quite common one, for a scientist to have.
After covid 19 ,all those like Neil Ferguson should be held accountable for the deleterious effect the lockdown has caused.Proff Levitt should get another Nobel prize for this work.
"I feel a little bit sorry for Neil Ferguson, because probably people listened to him too much" (from 15:45). That's probably the best joke you will hear from a Nobel price winner this year and at the same time says it all!
I hope that nothing will happen to dr. Levitt after this interview... thank you dr. Levitt.
Kaway kaway sa mga kaklase ko dyan..👋👋
Think may be we drop the term, " going viral", after corona.
“Going rona”
In one word - brilliant and I've listened to many others with similar thoughts.
Love every minute I get to listen to Mr. Levitt.
He makes so much sense. Thanks so much for making this video happen.
A real splendid scientist ! Thank you for your YT and for this valued information. Politics should be more careful and ask real experts .
Saturation at 20% could be occurring because our innate immune system is able to prevent detectable infection without ever getting the adaptive immune system involved. If this is the case then indeed we would not expect to see a second wave in those areas that reached 20% but we will in an area that didn’t. In fact in those areas where far less than 20% was reached we would be seeing a first rather than second wave.
Thats a possibility. We have two immune systems, an active one and an innate one. The active one sort of kicks out the virus before it reaches the lungs.
In France the death rate is steadily increasing year on year, currently 9.3% per 1000 population. In the month of May, 2020 there were 400 more deaths than May 2019 for the whole of France, not really a pandemic and fits with the normal increase expected.
I bet i never see this man on the BBC
Diamond Princess wasnt it 7 deaths out of 750 infected.
Ferguson totally useless look at his pass record. Just think that if we had had someone far better than him with his ridiculous figures. We wouldn't have these disastrous consequences.
His Mother 105 years old amazing
No way am I having a vaccine especially one funded by Gates and his cronies. I had a flu vaccine once pushed by my employers and I was seriously ill. One of the Doctors in our medical centre told me on the QT not to have any flu vaccines and gave me advice on herbal medicines and vitamins to take. A Dr with a difference. I am 70 and have had flu twice in my life which included H1N1 in 2009.
Here is the real truth about Fauci and Gates @t
Fergusons model was used to get the lockdown by design Imperial college funded by Gates The social credit system coming soon
the age demographic on the ship is massively weighted by much older people than any normal population by a factor of 10 or more I believe. On the other hand Gates knows his viruses and his vaccines
This was an excellent discussion. Speaking as a fellow chemist and from what I can see (Germany's Chancellor, Angela Merkel and Margaret Thatcher) the professional politician's should make way for the Professional Chemists to lead the country!
I hope we learn lessons from this pandemic. Yes, the virus is bad, but it seems that it is not that bad, and seems to burn itself out.
Agree. It's a man made virus made in China, funded with US dollars by Dr Fauci (since gain-of-function research was shutdown because it was too dangerous). As expected with many things man-made the wheels are falling off C19 as many reports coming in from around the globe that it is becoming less deadly. Australia with just 0.22 days death to C19, whereas influenza last season saw 2.2 death days (and that is with a vaccine and tamiflu). But instead of looking at excess mortality - the 24/7 news cycle is focused on cases. Why? The Australian goverment should have followed Sweden's approach- instead we have cut off both legs to remove a tumour from our big left toe.
Very important information but the microphones, especially John's, could be better, please. English is not my first language and it may be the case of many people here. Thanks for bringing relevant information tho.
Great time spent here
Thanks guys. Enjoyed your intelligent no nonsense&common sense conversation. Keep them coming🙌
Great video, but can you get a proper lavalier mic so that you don't sound so tinny with all the low frequencies cut off?
Make sure all physicians, clinic and hospitals in your state have access to the two drugs and zinc supplements needed to administer the French protocol developed by Dr. Didier Raoult in France. This protocol is most effective if the physician can start you on the treatment for those early-stage days when you first notice symptoms.
Finally someone important on the centre stage
Fantastic interview,what I have been thinking all along but put more eloquently than I could have.
Also listened to professor Gupta and others that have no voice on mainstream television.
Fantastic conversation unfortunately the audio quality was very very bad.
Best part of this video was the advert for the "lawnmower" by landscaping. "We are manscape, we save balls". Hilarious advert
Mr. Prime Minister , again, excellent discussion. Science informed variables which we must understand. Look forward to hearing your voice as it relates to the Debacle here in the states.
Thank you for a very informative interview. You asked intelligent questions. I also like it that you did not interrupt the professor.
SARS-CoV-2 does not care about his modeling. Stay safe all!
thank you for this interview, but if I might say, the sound quality is really bad.
Thanks for this video. Great stuff from Michael Levitt but really a struggle to listen with the poor audio. I think it may be on his end though as I have seen other interviews with him where the issue is the same. Maybe his internet connection is poor.
Good interview very informative - worth the watch. Hope a lot of Australian's get to see this video.
A lot of Australians are following Dr. Rashid Buttar, he has brought truth & hope to people. I find Dr. Kaufman the most informative.
He seems to contradict himself when he praises China's lock down, and praises Sweden's no lock down.
Well, not exactly. He disagrees with LD in principle but he is impressed that China managed to limit the spread of the virus to Hubei province for the most part by locking down.
How is he contradicting himself? It was only the Hubei Province and several other cities in the south of China that locked down, not the whole country like almost every other country in the western world has done.
two different points in time, two different objectives...
AI is to a great extent still untestable.
Listening to it without question is an extremely stupid thing to do.
Levitt thinks Sweden deaths will plateau at 6.5k as stated in another video on R number. I really doubt this will happen if you look at the case count. deaths are between 5-100 per day. It cannot plateau until herd immunity is reached which will take years.
I'm not sure why we're interviewing this bloke. My background in data analytics is equivalent to his and I also lived in Asia during SARS, but I don't declare myself an expert. If I had a Nobel prize in Chemistry, it wouldn't be relevant to epidemiology.
He calls excel modelling
The reliance on excess death data is based on an assumption that diagnosing the cause of death as reported on the Death Certificate is a precise science.
Strange that the CDC and the NY Public health dept STOPPED reporting deaths statistics starting in April 2019. Not sure if it was scrubbed out recently or just coincidentally stopped, but strange nontheless.
The whole discussion about costs of the Measures is missing focus on their efficacy.
Well, 500 for every million is 165,000 for the US. We are closing in on that in 5 months! I doubt it won’t stop there.
Fascinating but the the sound is really difficult.
It's almost like Ferguson was paid to be chicken little and take the hit for being TOTALLY wrong?
'It's it'?
Agreed
@@spundam Typo-please forgive.
I believe they will think twice about lockdowns the next time this happens.
Prof Levitt, what is your opinion regarding the theory that the BCG vaccine contributes to some degree of resistance to Covid19?
Excellent interview! Common sense and logic.
Too many unsabstatiated assumptions.
Yes finally truth what a relief.
July 5th, and his predictions are proven WAY wrong!
I wince when I see the word 'expert' now.
Politicians, 'experts' etc backed themselves into a corner and refuse to admit they were wrong.
We are seeing that in Australia now .... politicians cowing before social media and spewing the word 'expert' to dodge any responsibility.
The audio is not good
Great talk. I hope governments and advisors look at this discussion. I teach judgement and decision making. The best decisions are made after consulting a wide sample of views.
I recommend Dr. Kaufman, he knows his stuff!
If you go against the grain on twatter you'll soon be taken down
Wow, these guys are COLD. Wonder if they had a vent stuck down their throats they would be so glib about this virus. Let’s get to next January and see what the actual toll is. Add to the consequences the permanent damage done to the “survivors”.
great interview, thank you...
Again we should never take the words of men as absolute truth. It's amazing how so many people just don't get it.
Very very informative.
I think Ferguson should have had classes with Levitt. Ferguson was wrong many times with his schoolboy code... 🙈
Agree with a lot he says but using the term Global warming kind of demeans his credibility, as in my opinion I view global warming in the same way as I do Covid1984
Great discussion, but what the f*** is wrong with the sound?
Spot on!
Kudos
5:05-5:41 Is this what happened in Russia to explain its low mortality rate?
At 47:50 he's wrong on face masks as shown by the Danish study that was out in November 2020
Perhaps the outcome will show that medicine has hijacked our health concerns and that most people heal anyway so that in the future people will take more responsibility for their health leaving medical establishments free to treat those who truly need medical intervention.
The best part of this was when he addressed the un fairness of saving himself. I’m only 52 and couldn’t agree more!!! Young people got hosed. Sorry.
There are counter examples to his theory: Israel, New York, so he gives various explanations that don't add up.
Of course there is some truth to what he says, but somehow it is not the whole picture.
There are many many questions.
If you cannot figure out why places like New York and London would be exceptions, I don’t know what to tell you.
Why is nobody in MSM questioning why the results are 100 times different in NYC than in the rest of Asia? ..... Crickets!
Sound is terrible!!
Say what you mean and mean what you say
Whats about the Hammer and the Dance ? Is´nt it time to debunk this theory ?
Love Levitt buy he needs to work on his internet connection at home ;) ... this is the second interview that I saw with some video lag etc
What a splendid chap, well done excellent talk.
Interesting thanks
If only Michael was our Government's source as opposed to those absolute b*stards at Imperial College.
audio poor
He looks really like Don Hector.
So I am probably immune... Asthmatic, diabetic, asplenic and old, but probably already exposed and immune. Nice.
I would be interested in hearing if Professor Levitt has some opinion on how Norway and Sweden can be so different. Have they simply managed to avoid reaching 500 deaths per million? And correct, face masks as is common curtesy in Asia, is surely the way to avoid lockdown hysteria.
Gustav Skans Norway managed to avoid 500/million because they took distancing measures seriously. Sweden has, so far, because some people took distancing measures seriously, but they will soon pass 500/million and continue upward because of their failure as a country as a whole to take distancing measures seriously enough. Sweden at this point is having more deaths than it's nordic neighbours combined are having new cases. Norway is in an okay position economically and a fantastic position going forward with minimal suffering and death. Sweden is in an okay position economically and a poor position going forward with a large amount of suffering and death. By every measure, Sweden's handling of this pandemic has been an abject failure.
Play at 1.25 speed
This man said Covid-19 "had a different name back then, SARS". This man has zero credibility in virology, immunology, and epidemiology. That is tantamount to saying an aardwolf and a chihuahua are the same thing. Please don't listen to a thing he says. If he does say something accurate it will only be coincidental. Get your information from respected virologist, immunologists, and epidemiologists.
Sorry, but I'd like to listen but for the audio.
Yes, not good enough.
Its not that bad
22:10 ? The lockdown didn't work in countries like UK and US that had non-unified leadership, didn't close the border. In other words people didn't "allow" government to control society for a short period. In all other countries however it worked well, Denmark is better off than Sweden for a far better public health outcome, despite the fact Sweden is further north and more geographically isolated from mainland EU.
Open your eyes and look at the face.
Please watch Spiro Skouras channel on youtube - the great reset plan revealed. . . . . . .
Definitely a gates mate .
So how many deaths per dollar is an acceptable economic price to pay?
So should we stay in lockdown until people start to starve? And how many do we let starve? What’s an acceptable number to you?
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I do think this professor has a good grasp on the finances of the effect of Covid. I do feel that Covid has killed people with limited lifespan. And I hope that this will reflect in a lack of deaths for elderly next year. I think that the ventilator issue should be ignored as ventilation is a do or die action. Think of it as saving 25% if you can do it and pay for the aftercare, so be it.