Diesel Vs Gas: Why Is The Gas Engine Becoming More Of An Advantage Over The More Efficient Diesel???
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- Опубліковано 20 лис 2022
- Here are 2 RAM 2500 HD trucks with different engine options. Why Is the gas becoming a better option over the more efficient Diesel engine? || Like || Subscribe || Share || #JBReviews #gasvsdiesel
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Back in the 5.9 Cummins days it was the golden days of diesel, no emissions, no def, the diesel trucks were still affordable, and the price of diesel was less than gasoline. That all went out the window after 2007.
Exactly! I lost over 3 mpg when they switched to ultra low sulfer fuel
I agree the last diesel I bought was a 2004. I refuse to buy a diesel with a DPF on it. Besides times have changed ,automatic transmissions have a lot more gear now and gasoline engines have gotten a lot more powerful.
Please stop suggest them messing with a class 2 vehicle,The Ford and GM are 1 ton trucks With three-quarter ton badges that doesn’t make it a three-quarter ton. Ram is offering you a genuine three-quarter ton truck diesel that doesn’t have to stop at DOT and is not subject to being inspected as long as it’s not Towing. The other trucks are please stop at least one manufacturer has remained smart and kept a class 2 diesel.If you want more payload buy a 3500!
I absolutely loved my 05 3500 with the 5.9. Wish I still had it!
Yeah we can all think Obama for that DEF crap. Glad I got a 2005 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Quad Cab 5.9 Cummins. Just turned 101,000 miles.
I was originally shopping for a 3/4 ton diesel, but I knew I wouldn't be towing very often or heavy. So I was happy to find a 1 ton gas. You really need to work those diesels to treat them right - IMO.
I agree mostly with you. My take on it after recently owning both versions from GM is if you tow a lot OR when you do tow it’s long distances, get the diesel. For everything else the gas is superior. So for the daily drivers who tow occasionally or even a lot but relatively shorter trips the gas will be easier to operate.
However I don’t at all agree with the 4.10 statement. Your own testing proved my point too. You tested a Hemi Ram before with both rear gears and the 3.73 was actually faster to 0-60 and got better fuel mileage. I’m telling you, with these modern transmissions, especially 8 and 10 speeds but even 6 speeds, the rear gears starting with a 4 are a waste for most guys.
This is the dilemma that I am in. My travel trailer is only 5k lbs. This year we've taken 2 long trips towing. Indiana to Colorado and Indiana to Florida Keys. We rented a 2500 w Cummins and drive was excellent. Even had 35 mph crosswinds in Kansas. Then rented a 2500 with Hemi drove from Indiana to Northern Ohio. While it did the job, it wasn't nearly as good of an experience towing. Had a strong headwind on the way back and I swear I could actually see the gas gauge drop while driving 😆
@@JKoolina I understand the dilemma. That’s why I mentioned long trips to just go ahead and get the diesel. I guess I could add as long as you’re ok with the extra maintenance because for a Cummins it is a lot extra. The Duramax I had there’s not a whole lot of difference in maintenance over my new gas Chevy but the Cummins actually is a big difference.
I’d probably still say get the diesel for long towing trips. 5,000 is not a lot of weight but people get too hung up on weight because the size and type of trailer you tow means more than just the weight. 5000 pounds in a box is harder to pull than 10000 pounds on an open trailer.
I didn't realize different diesel engines have different maintenance requirements. I assumed they all had additional oil and fuel filters. I'm debating between the Cummins and Power Stroke.
@@JKoolina Yeap. The L5P Duramax has one fuel filter located under the rear of the cab on the driver side. Takes about 15 minutes to change.
The Powerstroke and a Cummins do have two fuel filters however. And they hold more oil than a Duramax. So they are a little more expensive.
Went 4:10 in my 2020 F350 6.7. No regrets.
I think you pretty much nailed it. Basically I would say if you tow a lot get the diesel but if you are towing less than 25% of your miles I would say gas all day long. Get you some nice leather seats instead lol
Towing isn’t just about how often. It’s more about what you are towing, safety and power. Gas doesn’t do well when you start getting big and heavy.
@porn4406 Gas is safer cause it's less likely to be broke down on the highway like the modern diesel.
@@rockie307exactly. I’ll never buy another diesel. Can’t afford to have my truck in the shop for a month with the modern diesel emissions issues
I love diesel and gas, i have a 98 dodge cummins and a 14 ram 1500 hemi. Never been a fan of diesel in the winter unless its using it all day long. The new diesels are nice untill the emissions systems start failing and then it turns into a money pit. Im thinking of getting a 6.4 hemi ram 2500 mega for on the farm. The old 98 just keeps on going though!
Another great video! Keep up the great work!
Loved the laughing added in! I heard the best way to extend emissions equipment life is using sawzall tuning, and a dumpster.
What ppl always fail to mention and is HUGE in my book for a diesel engine is that diesel pumps are set up for big rigs. I HATE pulling into a gas station with a camper and have about a cars width turning radius into and out of a pump. Then add in 15 inconsiderate motorist who don’t care and just want their soda and snack. It sometimes takes an act of God to get out of the pumps. At least with diesel, the turns are wider, the pumps are away from parking stalls,straight drive in drive out pumps.
If you don’t mind paying the premium, go with the diesel even if you don’t tow a lot. Better fuel economy and drivability is more enjoyable. For those that say “you don’t need it” you probably don’t need your $1000+ iPhone, heated seats and steering wheel either. Just my 2 cents. Both are good. Enjoy!
Hey now. I'm older with a bad back. I *need* my heated seats! 😊
You listed just about all the reasons that I had when I bought a new 2500 hemi in 2019.
I don't tow everyday, and when I do, I don't usually go up to the max of 14,500 lbs. I like having more payload as compared to the diesel.
Loved this Video ,great comparison !!
I still wish you’d ask them where the 2023s are. Have they started production or any eta.
Like you said, make sure the numbers are the way you want/set up for towing. The one you showed at the end was set up for max towing. The other two didn't seem like they were.
Thank you for the helpful information. I’ve really been going back and forth between gas and diesel. Have a smaller camper pulling with a F150 but want to get a better truck for pulling the camper. Again, thank you
No problem, glad it was helpful 👍🏾👍🏾
F250, 7.3 gas!
I have a 21' Ram 2500 w/ 6.4 looking in the next 2 years possible upgrading to a 3500 SRW or possible DRW. I am not sure gas or diesel at this time i tow a large bumper pull toy hauler. Plans to upgrade to a fifth wheel toy hauler. One advantage i see for me on the diesel is filling up at gas station normally the diesel pumps you have more room getting in & out. With the hemi when towing I have to pick certain gas pumps to be able to get in and get out since toy hauler is 39ft.
Love my 2500 Ram with the 6.4 Hemi. We tow a 13000 pound fifth wheel and the truck is a beast. I see no advantages to a diesel this day in age. Higher sticker price, higher maintenance costs, less payload… no thank you.
You must not tow in the mountains. There is no comparison. Diesel is king. The maintenance costs aren’t as expensive as you think, if you can change the oil and fuel filters yourself. Plus the Cummins has 15k oil change intervals. To each their own.
I have a question my wife tried to make a Chevy truck gas and when you put tow package on it switches to diesel. Did you have that problem when you ordered yours.
The sunroof and xtra alternator are dead payload robbing weight not to mention the expense. All the cummins at my dealer are parked due to transmission recall.
Great video JB, thanks. I take my 2020 RAM 2500 Cummings to the dealership this week to get the fuel pump replaced. I'm going to look at some 2500 and 3500, I don't think these diesel prices are ever going to drop below $4 and my mindset is I don't tow enough to keep this diesel. Recently towed a 28-foot travel trailer and thought this is way too much truck for a travel trailer!
LOL, you probably bent the frame on that poor TT with all that tq 😂! I don't blame you, manufactures have allowed regulations to hurt the efficiency so gas engines have been catching up 👍🏾
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Lmao cummings
I’m eyeing one of those 2023 silverado with the 3.0l diesels
Man your doing a great job with the videos keep up the good work have a question
Looking for a 2022 2500 ram Hami but I found a2022 3500 standard Cummins with 68 transmission and it's a 169 wheel base very good deal almost 4k under invoice
I will be driving around city for work and play but it's mostly for my camper around the USA hopefully and Snowmobeling / atv trips and fun activities with family I just don't know which one I should get. 3500 ram the diesel option is Almost free with the discount but I'm worried that I'm going to get a lot of problems with all the extra BS emissions and the 6.4 won't be good on gas with the travel trailer or sleds and it's recommended 89 at the pump while that's almost same or more than diesel
You had a ram would you get the Hami or diesel if you were in my shoes
What about getting a 2012 pre def. Dodge Ram with the high output Cummins
I had a 2012 with no DEF and it drank the diesel fuel big time! DEF allows for 5-7 more mpgs! My 2012 got 16 empty and my 2013 got 21 mpgs on highway runs.
I have a 2022 Ram 2500 Laramie with the Cummins, and my towing capacity was listed at 20,000. I wonder what’s different about mine than that red one. Is there a special towing package or something that you are aware of?
3500, gear ratio, dually would all make it higher. Sone packages when ordering it you can select different components to change it
Hey JB. The towing numbers would be the almost the same if the HEMI had the 4.1 towing gears right?
If I'm not mistaken, my 2500 laramie megacab with the 4:10 and the hemi is 16,600 towing.
wrong per my new ford. 7.3 with 4,30 gears is about 4000 lbs more than the 373 gears. see the ford towing guide, plus the 7.3 has no fuel management to fail like the dodge and gm gassers.
Real simple for me. I'm in MN and just a couple weeks ago diesel was $1.90 more per gallon than regular gas. So at that price you're losing money on gas and paying 10k more for the truck. Now this is coming from a guy with a 1 ton Chevy 6.6 gas that needed the bigger chassis but not the diesel engine torque. So unless you haul heavy enough that you need that diesel, or you love diesels and don't care about the cost, the gas option is the way to go these days.
I am waiting for the 2024 sierra 3500 at4 as long as it gets the interior updates... but also planning on a 10k 38ft 5er.. Truck is $74k in gas and getting the 10 speed... I cannot vouch the extra $10k duramax option plus $2.30g more for diesel plus the $17 for 2.5g def...
so unfortunately, as a dailly... I have to go gas. work is 60 miles one way... hope the 10sp helps mgp when not towing...
JB Can you look into oil catch cans for 2022 Ram 2500 6.4L Hemi?
I haven’t seen a catch can available for the HD HEMI’s but I’m sure you can do a custom one 👍🏾
WOW!!!!! Ram must be in financial trouble if they have to charge $100.00 for tow hooks. That was what I saw on the Hemi truck.
It's ridiculous here in Northeast Ohio. Gasoline is running around $3.45, give or take a few cents. Diesel is going for $5.60, or more. The power you can't make up. If you need it, you need it. But the cost of ownership now seems to favor gasoline. In some cases, you'll never make up that difference in cost until either diesel comes down. Or gasoline goes back up. For now, until some of this shakes out, I'm keeping my smaller 5th wheel and my Ecoboost. It tows great, but I'm maxed out. Someday, I would like to upgrade. Nice review, JB.
I ordered a hemi 2500 in January, got it in July. Didn’t want the headache of the Government Juice, higher price fuel, winter additives, $300 oil changes, $110 fuel filters, more payload with gas engine…etc. Not to mention $10,000 less and the diesels are worthless after 150,000 miles (opposite of what they used to be). I got mine with 4.10’s and it tows 16,000+lbs which is all I need without a CDL.
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I looked at the Chevy/GMC trucks which are currently less expensive than Ram (hasn’t been that way until this year) but the GM gas trucks aren’t rated to tow much at all. I’ve had a few bad experiences with Ford recently so I didn’t even look at them this time around.
I think with the GM trucks it depends on the tire pkg because I’ve noticed if they are not 20” the tow capacity drops 👍🏾
I was comparing base model trucks so that makes sense and that made it more cost effective to stay with Ram. Plus at that time, I was still able to get Ramboxes in the Tradesman.
Lol diesels are worthless after 150k. Dumbest thing I have ever heard.
JB, it would be great if you could actually do a video of you towing your fiver with a new gasser. Have the audio on to get a feeling of the engine sound while climbing and how often it shifts. One of the things I love about the diesel is how powerful it is at low RPM -- and I can pass tractor trailers going up mountains without having my engine sound like it is going to explode at 4000+ RPM like my gasser used to do.
Another thing I found when I switched to the diesel is that I am a lot less fatigued from towing long distances with it. Sounds strange, but it is true.
It's great not worried when a semi wants to pass another semi going 26 MPH (1 MPH faster than the slow one) while going over a pass.
I know I can pass that semi and quickly get up to my adaptive cruise control speed of 63 MPH, without worrying if the engine will explode as it it sits at 4800 rpm and if I'm very luck get to 40 MPH at the summit.
Wow that hemi truck has almost the same payload and towing as my 19 Laramie 2941 payload 14230 towing
Best 3/4 or bigger gas truck for towing 12k lbs +- all year
I’ve had the 6.4 and now the Cummins. I get better mpg towing with the Cummins than I did empty with the 6.4. Power is not even comparable.
There's a reason why the 2500s are capped at 10K it's to keep you from having to get a class A license when pulling a trailer that have GTWR over 10K. You can get a 3500 srw if you want a GVWR over 10K.
What gets me is you talk about how the hemi 2500 is better for towing because of the increased cargi capacity. Then explain why the cummings is better for towing.
I also get how *YOU* feel the night edition is worth about $2300 (for 2024 $3940 which insane). Then you pick trucks without the towing packages. You are recommending what you feel is the best looking truck for daily driving with occasional towing.
What you should be recommending is putting the night edition cost towards a cummings 3500 and tow packages.
2024 - 2500 crew cab, 4x2, short bed Laramie
6.7L Cummins
Laramie Level 1, Towing Technology group, 5th Wheel prep
Chrome steps, Bed Utility Group
Trailer Tire Pressure Monitoring
$81,655 +$3940
2024 - 3500 crew cab, 4x2 short bed Laramie
Same options
$85,660
That means the 3500 is $4005 more than the 2500. Giving you the cargo capacity for towing. Amazingly the upgrade to 3500 is only $65 more than the night edition upgrade.
Plus the 3500 has options not available on the 2500
6.7L Cummings HO which includes the Aisin transmision. +$2800
Auto Leveling Air rear suspension. +$1705
Dual rear wheels (if you pick an 8 foot bed or mega cab) +$1495 (+205 for 8 foot bed)
50 gallon tank upgrade +$295
I have a 2019 3500 Laramie Longhorn 4x4 Crew Cab Longhorn that I bought with 24k miles. For reasons I can't comprehend it was ordered with Aux switches (never used), safety package, towing package, 5th wheel prep and HO engine but without auto leveling rear suspension or 50 gallon tank.
In order to tow my 5th wheel with a 2500 I would have had to get the 6.4L hemi. Losing the engine power and engine brake wss a deal breaker. Losing the stabilty of rear leaf springs wouldn't have been fun and losing the ability to get a bigger 5th wheel (not a huge 5th wheel requiring a dually) in the future didn't make much sense.
While the night edition looks nice, I don't see almost $4000 in value. The blacked out badges and other parts can't cost much more, the rims are nice and the regular 20 inch wheel upgrade is $1695. IMHO a towing platform has higher priority options than $4000 that adds no functionality. If money isn't an issue get a 5500 Chasis Cab with custom bed from Luxe for about $150,000.
Did Ram increase the gas tank capacity for the gas engine trucks? That 31 gallon tank is too much a limitation on range.
You can option a 50 gallon tank
Thanks for the information. Is the 50 gallon tank an option on the short bed gas truck?
@@Jbennyho long bed Cummins as far I know because that’s all I’ve configured on rams website
@@dustinbelknap9207 also long bed Gas trucks too, not just diesel.
pick your favorite full-size truck with no motor or transmission in it bring it home build your favorite big block gasser if you're just going to drive local around town put it in there with a sniper Holly EFI system or if you want a diesel put in a 5 9 Cummins with an edge tuner and those two options are better and more reliable than this new garbage that is under the hood of every truck anywhere..
Do you have a super good solid honest contact at that miller dealer? I think you live somewhere by me based on your vids. I need your advice 😂. Fix my problems lol . I may need a great salesman there
$62,000 for a Hemi? How come on KBB they say base price is $51,000? I just looked at getting a new PW and base price was $51,000.
Great point. I’d take gas burner all day
Just got the Hemi! I wanted the diesel but I only tow about 5K lbs twice a month. I was told the same thing you said about I could do more harm then good if the Cummings is not running for a long time constantly.
Yeah, for 5000 pounds a few times a month there is zero need for a diesel. Good choice on the gasser.
Or delete your diesel and boom way better then gas
Cummins*
The biggest drawback on the Hemi is the gas tank size. It’s a real drag in my 2018. Would love a 36+ gallon tank. Alas.
I agree, GM offers a 36 gallon and I’m loving it 👍🏾
Our truck has already been ordered. But I have to tell you this information on these Rams and their choices are extraordinary. There is something for everyone. I agree with Matthew. Recently we went tent camping at about 8500 elevation in the month of October (What were we thinking, to old for that crap) anyways the majority of the trucks up there were Rams all diesel. Some Fords. We have learned much from your channel. Looking forward to your weight watchers edition on 5th wheels. ✌️ out.
3500 Flatbed. 6.7 Cummins. 4wd Quad-Cab. 2007.5
I don’t think gas engines are becoming the better option. I think people are settling for a gasser, for a multitude of reasons.
Well consider the Ford 7.3L, that engine optioned with a 4.30 will probably out tow a diesel from the early 2010's... I think they are becoming the better option when you consider most people are not hooked up to a trailer frequently 👍🏾
Gas trucks have been doing work in America for many, many years and they were not near as strong as todays gas trucks.
@@JB_WhoWork We just got new brush pumpers with the 7.3 V8 gas. The old 11 6.7 Powerstrokes has so much more power and you feel it. There is no comparison.
They are more expensive to fix. And for quite a while now, it costs more at the pump. It makes no sense because it takes way less refining than gasoline. It should be WAY less per gallon, but greed always wins out.
Newer diesels have so many problems with the DEF systems, they won't last as long as they used to!
If you're towing short distances with not a lot of hills, the gas truck does fine. Anything over 3 hours and you'll wish you had the diesel. There's a perfect setup for everyone depending on their needs.
Advantage I don't think so..but gas engines are becoming very powerful but can't compare to diesel
Not bad gas engine 6.4 but issue MSD. If Cummins 6.7 gas engine be will best durability than 6.4.
I hearing rumor hemi 7.0 V8 HD truck I don't know wait see
How does the gas hemi compare to 7.3 Godzilla
I had a new 2020 ram 2500 with the 6.4 gas and I hated the mds. Would not buy another. I'm back in a 2021 ram 2500 diesel now but my next truck will more than likely be the Ford 7.3 gas with the 4.30 rear end.
@@treeamigo8447you could have deleted it with a tune if it bothered you that much or leave the truck in 8th gear so it doesn’t come on. I have it on my truck, never notice it even when towing.
@@vr4787
Yeah can put it in 8th gear every time you get in it. At the time when I bought it, I couldn't find a tune for the truck to delete it because the truck was too new. Regardless, ram has the least desirable gas engine at the moment and that's coming from a huge fan of ram trucks. This coming year gm is putting an Allison behind their gas engine and no afm/mds and ford has much more power and no cylinder deaction. Cummins is talking about building a gas engine that is based on the 6.7 diesel block and comparable power. When that happens I'll change my mind but as it stands, ram needs a new hd gas option.
It actually accelerates faster with 4.10 gearing. I’ve smoked my Dads 7.3 Ford many times!
I haven't tried the 7.3 but had a 2018 3500 with 6.4. Great power but way too many "normal" noises for me. Lots make a weird chirping noise that resonates down through the cats on cold starts year round and mine sounded like a sewing machine under acceleration. Dealers all told me it was normal. I could still hear it even after I straight piped it. Tons of these trucks have this issue. Worried me as I approached the end of my warranty. So for those reasons alone I would go with the 7.3 and I'm not a Ford guy.
The only benefit to a diesel is the power if it’s actually needed, which isn’t the case for the vast majority of HD drivers. Gassers are much stronger than they used to be, last just as long as a diesel now thanks to all the DPF crap, are $10K cheaper, get only 2-3 less mpg with much cheaper fuel and save so much money on maintenance and are basically less of a headache. I’d have to be pulling at least 12K on a daily basis before I ever bought another diesel. Loving the simplicity and savings with my current gasser.
The spot at what you’re getting the payload capacity I don’t think it’s correct because I typed in my Vin number and your Vin number on that truck and from the ram website the payloads don’t match with what you’re showing
Because your truck isnt the same as his😂😂. Not one truck will probably have the same payload number
That is correct, the trucks will have different payloads unless the options are identical and built within the same model year 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork On a side note, I suspect the rumors of the 6.7 i6 gas turbo for the HD’s a rumor after all
@@Thirty-OughtSick the 6.7L part is incorrect but the Ram HD’s will be getting a 3L straight six twin turbo Gas motor for 2024 that will be replacing the HEMI.
@@noosh8316 no way it will be a 3L in an HD truck
I wanted more payload and went to a 3500 srw! Its the way to go for more payload.
Payload with a 3/4 ton diesel just doesn't make sense to me if you're pulling a bigger trailer. Even with my travel trailer (not a 5th wheel), I would be out of payload with the diesel option. With the Hemi , I can tow it well within the safety margins and still afford to put items in back like a generator and extra water. Just food for thought if anyone has same circumstance. Heavy towing and you want the diesel, just go with a 1 ton. No towing or light trailer - sure, a 3/4 ton diesel makes sense.
Good comparison, BTW.
My 2011 old 6.7 diesel got 400K no issues and got much better mileage than any pre emission 5.9 Cummings I owned. 6.7 was much more powerful as well.
Sorry don't miss them.
Diesel torque is just addictive
Right now gm has the best motor with the 3.0 duramax in the 1/2 ton segment hands down with power, torque and the fuel mileage it gets is crazy good. Nothing beats it there even with the diesel prices right now. But diesels have never been as popular especially now with all the restrictions on emissions!
Another thing is average trip length. I only drive like 15 miles a day... those short trips would kill a diesel, and it wouldn't even get to temp
Opinion based upon personal experience. If you tow enough to need diesel, you need a 3500 DRW. In a 2022 2500 go hemi all day long. IMO
I went gas because I can’t afford the diesel, first of all. Second, I only tow 4-5k lbs and diesel is overkill for that. Third, too many emissions issues even if I did have the money.
I couldn’t afford to buy a 2023 RAM which is why I picked up my GMC👍🏾
After 40 plus years of gas trucks bought my first DMAX will never go back.
Even though the horsepower and torque numbers for gas/diesel look somewhat comparable on paper, those diesels are in a league of their own.
@@treeamigo8447 and at 2400 rpm
@@treeamigo8447 horsepower # yes but at twice or more rpm. Torque not close at 18-2300
@@techs1smh13
Yeah it's not even close. Torque in those gas engines is way up in the ram range and even then, no where close to a new diesel in the real world.
Just bought a new GMC 2500 AT4 with the Duramax and my first diesel and I can’t believe how much torque and how good it rides. I have a new Mercedes and the GMC rides better. It’s quieter. It’s a pleasure to drive. Gas is more expensive but the wow factor more than makes up for the price. 36 gal tank lasts me a while.
Gas is around 280 here snd diesel is $4 so prices have gone down for me
Bro I’m in Willard utah! I’ve been trying to contact u so I can ask u some questions on my truck! 2020 ram 2500 6.7 hmu
Listen to this man. Gas engines need more gear to compensate for the lack of torque. First thing most of us do is install oversize tires. It will like the gear. 4.10s all the way!
From the thumbnail, I thought this was going to be a pull contest.
Gas will be cheaper, more reliable, better on front suspension components since its lighter and also better off road since its lighter, better in the cold. Modern gas with 8 or 10 speeds pull good enough but if your pulling 15,000 pounds everyday get a diesel. Oh yeah insurance is cheaper on a gas truck also something overlooked alot. In the long run diesel is a pain in the ass and always cost much more in the long run not even counting shop time when its down and your not making money because of it.
You Live in UTAH?????
I own a 2022 Ram with the 6.4 Henry and 4:10 gears. I tow a 15k gooseneck dump trailer A LOT... even pull a a 25' deck over. Then i also pull my 33' 5 th wheel. Next truck will be a 1 ton gasser. New diesels are so unreliable. Cost to much to run and maintain.
Resale value on diesels is still far higher than gas in our market, real world MPG is much better in the Diesels, if you are able to do your own maintenance or have a skilled mechanic to save on dealer maintenance costs IMHO diesel is still definitely the better drivetrain in just about any truck unless you are idling in traffic all day long.
Diesel engines in cars and vans were a popular choice for consumers for decades in Europe until the government decided to go full electric . Once they became turbo charged everyone wanted to buy one and that was a time the government lowered the tax on diesel fuel. The save at the pump is significant . Usually the diesel is very reliable depending on the manufacturer of course. The DEF system kind of ruins its good reputation. I've seen quite a few cars with engine lights on and it wasn't always an easy fix for the mechanic when the DEF system didn't work properly. They hate it. If the price for a diesel wouldn't be that high I would choose a diesel over gas any time. There's nothing better than having max torque at low rpms . Imagine to get the gas mileage of a Mazda 3 Turbo in your 3/4 ton pick up truck .
100% diesel is not worth the hassle for me. It's just me, my wife, and my son, we dont need a 12K+ trailer/5th wheel.
6.6 chevy or 7.3 ford is way to go. ram are so out date for years
JB it only illegal if u get cought lol
Ive put 2 million miles on diesel trucks. The issue especially on the consumer grade diesels is the pursuit of power. The high pressure fuel system is a major contributor to reliability issues. Add the govt mandated emmissions and the entire DPF system and there are way too many liabilities on a consumer grade diesel. Your likely hood of ever being ahead vs the gas counterpart is extremely small. All that being said, the Ford 7.3 is clearly the winner in the gas segment. There isnt 1 area where it isnt superior
Well when you restrict diesel more and more of course gas is gonna step up
90 % of the diesel pickups are owned by people that don't need one.
Just wait till that hemi hits 100k and the motor starts falling apart.
Sadly a new gas motor is typically cheaper than diesel injectors, fuel pump, turbo, exhaust..... the diesel engine last forever the Associated components do not.
@cliffordmorgan4222 I've had multiple cummins and I've never replaced any of those things. My 2nd gen had over 400k all original and tuned for over the last 100k before I sold it.
Diesel fuel cost is way up
Diesel motors 10,000 to 12,000 $
Emissions def crap
The extra costs that you'll Incure with a diesel are negated by fuel savings and engine componant life span. Diesel fuel acts as a lubricant extending engine life Where's gas washes cylinder walls. The diesel is just better in every category in these trucks. Also the ZF8 trans in the hemi isn't as strong as the Allison.
Well the Cummins doesn’t have an Allison so…
Theres 3 big issues about a diesel truck dont matter if its old or new
1 the prices i dont have to explain because we've seen the market for a used diesel and these people are delusional that need to come back to reality i dont not give a sht what anyone thinks i will die on this hill
2 the repair/maintenance cost its expensive to maintain a diesel and when something breaks its going to cost a fortune even if you fix it yourself its still going to cost alot
3 the insurance depending on your insurance you going to be paying alot of money a month plus depending where you live you have pay registration once a month or once a year so all the money you spent on a diesel will add up more throughout the years of ownership then how much you paid for it
So in my opinion gas trucks are obviously financially better then diesel because you still going to get same reliability and durability and there cheaper to fix there cheaper to add on your insurance cheaper registration cheaper to maintain cheaper to fill up
dont get me wrong there are diesels out there for 3 to 5k that run and drive you just gotta be patient and better have the money in hand because a diesel for 3k sell fast as hell
Buddy just called the 68rfe reliable🤣
Because of these emissions control systems mandated since 2010
Except if you live in a state where you can get a delete done.
@@UnravelingMysteriesX nice, I thought these rules/regs were federal. Unfortunately where I live, no deletes of anything.
@@cnoyes72 it is a federal crime to delete any factory installed emissions equipment. Doesn’t matter what state you live in.
@@UnravelingMysteriesX it’s illegal in every state to remove factory installed emissions equipment. A lot of people do it, but it’s still illegal.
@@XploreAz lol, OK, that was my original understanding.
I sold my ram with the Cummins, it’s a love hate. The resale value is crazy right now. I owned the truck for four years performed all my own maintenance. Oil, fuel filters, oil crank case filter, front rear axle, transmission, transfer case. I babied this truck (paint/maintenance wise) I took it firewood cutting I towed our 12,000 pound fifth wheel. I’m just finally over the EPA push back on diesels it’s just not worth it. You have to be some software engineer to make any major repairs. The DEF is a pain in the ass. Plus the quality of these new and extremely expensive vehicles it’s just horrible. I can’t believe in just for short years my third brake light was leaking sunroof leaking. Front part of engine, crank case oil cover dumping oil. Driver side window rattle would make buttons intermittently work. I could seriously go on damaged, headliner, water stains. I know it’s my fault. I bought all the bells and whistles and put it in a work truck. So this time I went a different approach I purchased a Ford F250 super crew FX4 long bed with a 7.3 v8 gas it has only clearance lights on the top cab. No DEF no more paying $7.49 a gallon for diesel. I made the right choice for my fifth wheel and my daily commuter. We have a shop on our property and we perform all our own maintenance on our vehicles. I can do anything I need on this truck. I’m extremely happy with my purchase, and I am not looking back at diesel.
The 7.3 is clearly the most powerful, overbuilt and simplest design right now in the gas segment. Its literally the recipe for longevity. You did good
The hell with that gas hemi. Especially with its MDS.
Take cummins all day whether i pull anything or not.
And that nonsense about diesel costing more in maitenance is bs. I drive powerstroke and wife drives ecoboost expedition. At the end of a year ecoboost maitenance costs have surpassed the f250….and i do all the work myself.
Hemi 👎
Cummins 👍
Simple answer……the Hemi is $10k cheaper vs. the Cummins! The only thing the Cummins does better is tow. Overall these Rams are so overpriced for a 13 year old design!
One of the biggest advantages of the Cummins setup is the best-in-class exhaust brake. It's not just a safety benefit, it will all but guarantee your payback on the diesel investment over an extended ownership period.
I absolutely eat brake pads and rotors on my regular gas truck. But with the diesel and regular exhaust brake usage, I save roughly $10,000 every 70,000-100,000 miles because the brakes last so much longer. For me, the exhaust brake alone makes the diesel option worth the $9,500+ premium.
Think what you want, but Dodge doesn't validate their trucks like GM. They have more production and engineering issues that show up during customer ownership.
My 2022 1/2 ton 3.0 Dmax will tow 13k and get almost 30 on the hwy unloaded. High Country trim crew 6.5 box with an msrp of under $65k when I bought it. Dodge has a gross msrp with big rebates to make dumb people think they got a good deal.
6 dollars a gallon four diesel no thanks 🤔👍🏻
Gas only has the advantage of you dont actually use your truck. Trucks are made to work, which means gas will never have an advantage over diesel. It would take two gas trucks to do what I do with one diesel. No advantage. If we’re talking about cars, then that’s different.
There's no comparison
I bought a f350 with the 7.3 in 2020 and I won’t go back to a diesel. I tow a 413 raptor with it and it has 4.30 gear
gas prices are much cheaper
DPF, EGR, DEF, and now scales that tattle tail if you overload it. Hard pass on all that garbage. I will never buy a truck that’s so connected that it rats me out if I overload it.
What’s next, send the local sheriff an email if you speed or roll through a stop sign? I will never buy one unless all that crap can be turned off with a tuner.
I’ll be keeping my old LB7 Duramax and my 87k mile 06 common rail truck alive for the next 20 years. 😂
Just delete the diesel engine and it’s way better in every category, only reason diesel not better is cause the government makes them shit
Ever since 2008 gas has been the best option for 75% of truck buyers.
O sweet
What are you smoking??????
Diesel 2 dollar a gallon more expensive than gas????? 20 grand more when u buy, There pricing themselves out of selling
I wouldn't give 50 grand for a new diesel there junk now
Zzzzzzzzzzz what a snoozer