Rome (HBO) - Death of Cicero
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- Death of Cicero before the Battle of Philippi
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RIP Ray Stevenson. Extremely shocked and saddened to learn of his passing. He was wonderful as Titus Pullo. One of my favourite characters in all media.
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Bro that fucking sucks I can't believe he passed away.
@@dudeman5300 Yes, dudeman😟. He was fantastic as Pullo in the HBO series Rome. One of England's most respected film and stage actors that I will dearly miss him. A sad loss, indeed. RIP Ray "Titus" Stevenson😞.
Let’s prove Cicero right and remember him well.
@@slayermate07 Count me in, Master chief, and yes, I will fondly remember his memory, now and always 😢
Tyro the slave was a fascinating character in real life. Basically invented shorthand writing and we still use some of his markings today such as: eg, ie, &, etc. His work, from recording so much of Ciceros speeches, was used by medieval historians until the works were lost. Tyro was also reported to have lived to 100 years old
Thanks that's good information 🙂
That's awesome I never knew that... Incredible
This is a top notch fact.
That's 43 years old in shorthand.
et. al.?
Very professional of pullo asking for permission to gather Cicero's peaches before he off's him.
Pullo was under orders not to rob Cicero. Pullo's a good man, except for that whole killing thing.
@@kingbeauregard
He is troubled but he paid all his crimes at the end.
Even ereny’s husband, he killed him while he was her lover.
Guess what happen, HIS LOVER killed his wife, but his son too, so he killed her(his lover) and thus cruelly the depth is paid.
This is one example of great symbolism in this show, Im so glad I stumbled upon it by accident.
I love Cicero’s reaction to the question. Being asked by his executioner if he can have some peaches.
@@kingbeauregard the mortality business pays well but not dignified for legionares.
Georgia peaches, those are considered best!
Cicero was fleeing to the east when he was found by the assassins. He told his party to stop and he got out, reclined under a tree and began to read. When the soldiers showed up, he basically told them “Kill me correctly.” Showed them where they needed to cut so he wouldn’t suffer. By all accounts the soldiers listened to him and gave him the honors he deserved, until they cut off his hands and sent them along with his head back to Marc Antony.
This is not true. He asked for his head to be cut off, but instead the killers slit his throat. They didn't really give him any honors, and Antony personally nailed his hands to the door of the senate.
His last words according to Seneca the Elder: “Ego vero consisto. Accede, veterane, et, si hoc saltim potes recte facere, incide cervicem.”
“I will not go any farther. Approach, veteran, and if you can at least do this properly, sever the neck.”
They slit his throat*
The story I read was that they started fighting eachother to get to kill him for the reward, and apparently he was just cut and butchered to shit in the chaos.
Apparenty the reason Cicero showed his killers his neck was because he watched beaten gladiators do the same - and he always had admired the gesture. One also might say it was an appropriate gesture for the statesman to make since he met his end in the Bloodsports that Roman politics had become.
the eagle circling high up in the blue sky. cicero's glimpse of eternity while still alive. what a beautiful poetic scene.
and cicero turned out to be right. we still read his works and letters with great joy.
Eagle was also in the standard of Caesar right? It’s almost as if he was paid a visit for being happy at his assassination
@@rameshl I just think Cicero wished he was an eagle and could fly away.
@@rameshl the eagle was the standard of Rome’s legions in general, not Caesar specifically. It’s also associated with the Gods Mars and Jupiter, hence why the original comment mentioned Cicero getting his glimpse of eternity before dying.
@JAEDEN ABNER D'SA and that has what to do with a scene from a tv series set in Ancient Rome that has not one single Christian in it?
Well Cicero wasn't associated with the military or probably Mars in anyway but Caesar Was
so it can be seen some kind of sign or remembrance of Caesar
Here died Cicero, lawyer, senator, statesman, father of the republic, a learned man and a true lover of his country.
America: "hE OwND SlAvES"
Somewhat petty but a good man nonetheless
And also one of the greatest inspirations for the founding fathers of the United States of America. Men like John Adams were heavily inspired by him. And Cicero's work is still in print today. I just saw one of his books at the bookstore last week. I'm gonna get it I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Selected Works it was.
@@hawaiianperson85 yes, he was indeed petty. Very driven by his hatred of Antony. Curiously for a man so enmeshed in Greek philosophy, he did not follow the teachings of the philosophers, and keep such feelings in check, but allowed them to drive him. Those passions killed him in the end.
Cicero sided with the corrupt elites who blocked reforms Rome badly needed. He was a traitor to the Republic, a coward in life, and a dishonourable conspirator.
If you rewatch the show, every time Pullo’s name was mentioned in front of Cicero throughout the series, Cicero would touch his neck area in subtle distress, as if to subconsciously foreshadow his eventual death at Pullo’s hand, despite never having interacted with Pullo. A master piece.
Wow! I must look out for this.
Good eye.
Can’t believe we lost this for the bullshit game of thrones turned out to be. If HBO had half a brain they’d pick back up at the end of Augustus’ reign
Even after all these years, Rome still shines. GoT will not be afforded the same honor. It ended up being a waste of time.
So true.
Man EVEN without agustus...
They worked with what they had SO beautifully, I actually like season 2
Almost equally, it definitely feels like the same show unlike GOT in season 5.
@@randomcenturion7264
GOT was a success and a good show, great show to some extant(well for the most part, rewatching GOT I cant stop hating Emilia acting she is so not what she is trying to be)
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Ho yeah until they ran out of source materials
to be fair the main Writer and creator crammed 3 seasons of character development into 1 seasons (ie Season 2 was really going to be 5) So by all accounts I enjoyed the ride but a thing isn't beautiful because it last forever.
Pullo (affable as always): "Mind if I take some peaches? Nice gift for the wife." Cicero (sweating bullets): "Oh...yes... take what you like... including my life."
Pullo had been ordered not to rob Cicero, and he kept his word; he asked permission about the peaches.
The virgin Cicero vs the CHAD Pullo.
@@kingbeauregard pullo should have been ordered to bugger Cicero B)
PULLO: Take for my wife?
CICERO: Take my life!
CAESAR: Butterknife?!
And it’s Pullo, with his easy affability and adaptability, who outlives everyone else on the show.
I just loved how polite Pullo was through all of that. Even when he turns up to murder a man in his own garden, he wouldn't think of taking his peaches without asking permission. What a gentleman.
I think I remember that he was specifically ordered not to plunder anything from Cicero's home, so he felt he HAD to ask. Plus, I think he prided himself on not being a common thief. It's a warped moral code - being able to kill as easily as breathing, but not being willing to steal because it's 'dishonourable' - but it's a moral code nonetheless.
If I was in Cicero's shoes I would be so bugged by that. "Dude, I'm sitting here facing my imminent death and you're asking me about peaches? Just get it over with and take what you want!"
@@silversnail1413 Roman patricians were very stoic about facing death with dignity. They would often commit suicide rather than be dishonored, so getting agitated when being executed wouldnt do..
@@davidemelia6296 He's just a soldier killing another man on orders, but nevertheless Cicero is still a man and Pullo is in his home. Shows a deep level of respect.
Pullo is the quintessential soldier. He has no argument with Cicero. He might even like him. But he has orders.
This is such a great scene. The reality of it is fucking terrible, of course. A man is violently put to death over political and personal grudges. But the way Cicero and Pullo go about it is so strangely admirable. Cicero faces his end with immense bravery. Most of us would be on our knees, wailing, begging for our life and shitting our pants as snot and tears run down our faces. Cicero knows it won't help and swallows it down, accepts the end and maintains his composure even if he is terrified beyond words. Meanwhile Pullo conjures the best customer service atmosphere of the whole Mediterranean for the ordeal. While the task must be completed, he will make his damned best an honourable veteran statesman receives an honourable end. Love every bit of it. It's such a shame that Rome was cancelled too soon.
all for Game of Thrones.....
@@sirsamalot90 Yup. Remember, though, Game of Thrones was very good for years. I think the first few seasons were as good as Rome. Maybe Rome would've gone down the shitter in terms of quality too, had it gone on as the creators intended.
@@luukeksifrozenhillbillyeur3407 Just blows me away that a single season can ruin an entire series. So damn depressing.
The Romans placed great value on ''dying well''. Even in gladiator fights it was expected (in the rare cases where it was to the death) to accept your end with dignity and courage.
@@sirsamalot90 TBH GoT started to slowly go downhill after season 4 ended. By 7 it was so bad I didn't even watch 8.
He died in one garden. Woke up in another.
What do you mean?
@@haydengrayson6284 The flying eagle indicates the presence of gods. The garden is filled with statues of gods. It is likely that Pullo is an agent of the gods, even if he is not aware of it.
Cicero understand that his death has been determined.
Upon entering afterlife, he awakes in a new garden with fully alive Gods.
I choose to believe that is true. Cicero's death was so sad to me.
@@marcry3938 I'm curious, is that roman mythology or something?
@@haydengrayson6284 Elysium, THE heaven
One of the must underrated series. Im rewatching it right now.
Me too!
The 20th century witnessed the loss of the love of classical learning that had gripped and inspired the brightest minds of the16th, 17th, 18th and 19th centuries: when the study of Latin ( and Greek) was rightfully at the very Center of Education and Patriotism, etc. But, at the turn of the 20th century, by subtle degrees It disappeared, by stages, from the normal school boy's common curriculum; and English, no longer guided by Latin, began to lose its own appeal in its traditional rigidity of mastery, and slowly became more vulgarized in public use , even though Hollywood kept classical history alive in its great movies, such as Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, etc. But with the advent of the PC in the 21st century with the rich access of the world wide web, classical learning is slowly being resurrected back into cherished and treasured appreciation; yet it will never return to the old status of mandatory study: It was world war I, and II that really STABBED Latin to death: Vergil's "IMPERIUM SINE FINE DEDI!": "I have given an EMPIRE without END!" was seen more and more as the deadly legacy of all EMPIRES, even the most modern ones: after all, It was VERGIL's famous Line in the Aeneid that at the Eve of World War One: that drove The German Empire, the British Empire, The Russian Empire (envisioned by NOSTRADAMUS as "The GREAT BARBARIAN Empire, or the Empire covering many diverse Barbarian Peoples to the East of Europe!) to literally to adopt then adapt "Empire Without End" as their SILENT everpresent CREED on the International Chess Board: even for the U.S.A., the Empire of Liberty, has sought its own "EMPIRE, and Resulting in acquired RICHES and "Expanded"miltary power overseas and..that all as Without END......with mixed blessings and sometimes questionable consequences. .Then came The GUNS of August 1914: the raging Madness to dominate the World turned on Itself into self-destruction of the great Tradition of Imperial Powers holding sway over global regions and territories! Then Educational PROPAGANDA became literal dogma: why learn a DEAD Language with Its Culture with its lethal legacy of world Rule to the Death if necessary? But all that has backfired by the coming of the new Millenium...CHINA, with its older Civilization ( when Romulus and Remus were suckled by a She Wolf, rustic & backwards ITALY was no different from North America with Its howling wilderness, and backwards tribal natives....But CHINA, halfway across the Globe, was EVEN THEN, in several centuries B.C.E. already an EMPIRE, ruled by a Chinese Emperor that would last until The Dictatorship of MAO Tze Tung and the Communist Party! And in the 21st century of impossibly evolved RED CHINA, flatly contradicting the so-called incapatability of Communism and capitalism existing simultaneously in the same sovereign State, as is trul NOW in the 21st Century highly prosperous wealthy yet totalitarian Chinese, are definitely thinking and musing amongst Themselves: "Why cant We have our very own Chinese VERGIL with "EMPIRE Without END"? Our CHINESE goes back even before Imperial or Republican Rome even existed! Sure, We dont think of classical Latin as a dead language at all: Its merely a DEAD ancestor of latinity in Europe in expanded form! WE must do as the Romans did: make our own Tongue worthy of "EMPIRE WITHOUT END!": and that, folks, will be highly rising, when such an old fashion notion is OBSOLETE in the WEST!
@@MM-eo2oz Can i know where to watch it? Never seen it full, just a clip from youtube :(
Who underrated this series? It was one of the most highly rated shows of its time.
@@azriadzlan2297 just type "Rome HBO series online full series"
I got to say Cicero took his death like a boss, didn’t try to run, just accepted his fate, wonder how anyone can be that brave at the time of their death
In reality, he did try to run but then also he died like a boss.
stoicism
This is not accurate depiction of Cicero’s death. In reality, his throat was slashed by group of soldiers. This scene is Hollywood fiction.
@@Michael_Veritas It's not far off from the surviving account of his death, at least in spirit.
Yeah I think the fact that he was so clearly frightened makes his death even more dignified. He’s sweating in terror but he still holds his head high and looks Pullo in the eye, and even is the one to expose his own neck.
As a political enemy of Octavian his writtings were banned even after many years of his reign, once Augustus caught his grandson reading one of Cicero's books then he took the book from the boy and read from it for a long time. He then said, "My dear child, this was an eloquent man, and a patriot."
Apparently in real history, Augustus wasn’t that keen on putting Cicero on the list and that he argued against it.
After Cicero’s death, and when Augustus became Princep, he gave a lot of positions to Cicero’s son out of guilt.
Actually there were 2 historical sources. 1 said Octavian reluctantly agreed to put cicero's name while another said that Octavian was well aware of what he was doing and agreed. The former historian was noted to be someone who possibly had a bias for Octavian as he was someone who was recruited into his office by octavian. No one knows which is true of course
@@khalduras784 yeah, it's pretty evident that Cicero will be his future enemy and must be silenced so that Augustus can proceed to pursue his plans of an Imperial Rome.
@@khalduras784 "Later on, Octavian came upon one of his grandsons reading a book by Cicero. The boy tried to conceal it, fearing his grandfather's reaction. Octavian (now called Augustus) took the book from him, read a part of it, and then handed the volume back, saying: "He was a learned man, dear child, a learned man who loved his country"."
I do believe that he was reluctant, each of the 2nd triumvirate added on the list 1 person they were close with and Octavian was still underneath Lepidus, one part of the show that had too much creative liberty in.
@@everybodyisanidiot4553 That's the thing though. Its hard to say which is true when there's two conflicting accounts of his personal life. One says he was a ruthless tyrant but efficient/effective while the other says he's actually a good dude that made necessary decisions for the future.
Id like to believe that he is this good guy but yeah, who knows to be honest
@@deepdungeon8465 I personally doubt that. Ruthless… Yes without a doubt. But I do think he had a fondness for Cicero and argued against putting him on the list. You have to remember Marcus Antonius was the one that had an actual grudge against him.
This was a learned man and a lover of his country
Historia civilis?
If he loved his country he would have fought to remove the corruption before the rise of the populists Caesar.
@@mrkennady just like he did with Catilina..
someone reads wikipedia hehe
@@noonecares5340 or maybe i read Sallust
rest in peace Ray Stevenson, one of the most underrated TV actors
Over 2000 years later and this man is still remembered, not for being a big fancy prophet, conqueror or emperor. He was simply a really good statesman, writer and speaker which are far more valuable traits to be honest.
Who supported the murderers of Caesar
@@jacquesaubin4454I would like to point out Caesar was *not* the hero. He was a ruthless tyrant and head of the Populārēs (left-wing party of Ancient Rome) -- in other words, a Populist autocrat and demagogue, who manipulated the people in backing him against the Roman constitution. I'm not so sure the conspirators could ever be considered heroes, either, though they believed they were.
@@jacquesaubin4454 Cicero was the greatest politician of the Roman Republic, and to be honest I admire him.
I dont blame him for supporting the assassination of Ceaser. It was the right thing to do. He had taken control of the senate and packed it with loyalists, breaking every convention that ever existed. he changed the laws to allow people to skip ranks to get to Praetor and Consul without doing the work. hell he made the consulship into an award. Your loyal to Ceaser? Here, be consul for a month!
He took bullshit titles that didnt exist, made himself Dictator of Rome for far longer then he should be, was given absurd power and basically made the senate a puppet government. It was no longer working, it was basically just there to do Ceasers bidding and give him rewards.
Cicero cared about the senate, he cared about upholding the Republic. When he joined Pompey he did so because although he thought both Ceaser and Pompey would make themselves dictators, he wished to preserve the power of the senate to a certain degree to reclaim its power in the future. And when Pompey fell, he went and joined Ceaser for the same purpose. To preserve in the best of his ability the senate and Roman Republic.
Ceaser was a tyrant, and a true enemy to the Republic. Cicero cared for the Republic, more then anything else. He cared for the Senate as an institution. He cared for political system, for order and stability. In the first Civil War it was Cicero who came closest to averting it. he acted as mediator between Pompey and Antony and almost had a deal until Cato fucked it up!
He was a good man. A principled man. A man who truly cared for his nation, and his ideals. And Ceaser stood in stark opposition to them. Cicero stood for Law and Order. For Justice. For the Senate and the Republic. All of which Ceaser fought against again and again.
And if you dont believe me, look to his Consulship. Look at how he dealt with the Catiline conspiracy. The Senatus Consultum Ultimum was passed. He had the authority to do whatever was necerecairy to defend the Republic. He still went to the senate for aproval. He was named Father of the Republic for his actions. And he proved himself a nobel Senator of rome. Even with unlimited power in his hands he still respected the institutions of the Republic.
And after the death of Ceaser, he instantly began to work towards the same goal he did under Pompey, under Ceaser and now with the assasins. To ensure the power of the senate. And had it worked, had Brutus not been such an indecisive moron, and had Octavian not betrayed him then I fully believe he would of done his absolute best to ensure the restoration of the Roman Republics political system.
So no, Cicero did not reap what he sowed. He celebrated the death of a tyrant who stood against all he held dear. That is reasonable, as I see no difference in a group of Russian MPs assassinating Putin to try and restore democracy to there nation then what Brutus and the conspirators did to Ceaser. They took proportionate and reasonable action to oust an autocrat and restore the Roman Republic. Something to be commended not condemed. And certainly something to admire.
Ceaser deserved it, Cicero did not. He was a good man, and his death was a major injustice
@@harryiculus I mean, they got Caesar and we got Trump. Pardon me if I say I'd rather have Caesar. At least he was a _competent_ autocrat.
(Also, that was normal for the office of Pontifex Maximus, that's how those priesthood worked. Dictator for Life was more in violation of precedent, but even there he was only doing what Sulla had done a few decades earlier. The Republic was irreparably broken before Caesar was even old enough to vote - Cicero understood that, but couldn't bring himself to believe it. Arguably the death blow was Sulla marching on Rome with his legions in flagrant violation of the constitution and all precedent.)
@@jacquesaubin4454 It is very likely that he supported the murderers for his own self preservation, and not because he actually endorsed what they did
Rest in Peace, Ray Stevenson (aka Titus Pullo)! The 13th Welcomes you to the Afterlife with open arms!!
May he be at peace.
For Titus Pullo, after decades of ending lives for the Republic, one death is the same as any other. In this their desires were complementary as Cicero desired a quick death and Pullo cared little for drama or exertion on such a beautiful day. In a way this seemed to calm Cicero. Very few get to choose the place and manner of their end. Dying quickly in a lush garden seems appropriate for a statesman.
"my killers name will live on also."
Herennius the Centurion and Popilius the Tribune who hunted and killed Cicero, thus making him and themselves immortal.
This is far more honorable and clean as to what actually happened. Cicero was stopped by Antonys men, and he said them, “We all know what you two are doing is nothing less than dishonest, so at least take my life properly.” He pulled down his neck collar and leaned his upwards, showing that he wanted his head to be cleaved.(Romans thought that was the proper way to die.)
But they instead sliced his throat and then his hands as he collapsed on the ground.
This is where historical accuracy can bite it, so more satisfying ending is put up.
Oooh I am sorry, were you there when it happened? Good sir, I will believe what I want. And I choose to believe this series was the most accurate depiction of cicero's death, including, but not limited to, the peaches part of it.
@@me.lms1126 Er I want to believe this too
@@me.lms1126 I mean i literally said historical accuracy could bite it, for a satisfying ending.
He deserved it though didn't he
@@grandadmiralthrawn9231 how? All he wanted was peace and the continuation of the republic. He is as a person without bias and was prepared to do anything for peace. A better man than you.
Roman power players generally submitted without struggle to the sword when their time was up. Many didn't even wait for the executioner to arrive.
A roman was thought to die with dignity or to fell on his own sword because they were civilised most didn't wanted to die begging like a barbarian.
Literally to submit to the wishes of the gods or to face the consequences of your action. Not begging and showing you were a submissive of another man.
Later, in the Empire, suicide became a way to avoid having one's family punished or at a minimum having one's estate confiscated after a conviction of treason.
They knew the game. Sort of honor among gangsters type of thing.
Everything about this scene is great but I really like how Pullo responds to Cicero saying his killer’s name would go down in history, “Ah my name, I thought you meant me” it’s just such an interesting response I think it warrants further analysis
It shows that Pullo is a simple man. Cicero said "I dare say your work today will earn you immortality" and he took it literally.
Best guess: Pullo thought that he was just a soldier following orders and he wasn't the true killer of Cicero.
Not a bad way to go. Civil words, time to compose yourself, a familiar face to see you on your way and settle your affairs, beautiful surroundings and the sun shining down. And a respectful man who's going to get you sorted quick and relatively painless and not make a complete bloody mess out of you.
We should all be so lucky. Certainly a shite sight better than most of the folks I've seen die.
And he went bravely. Since go we must, we may as well go well. Romans usually knew how to go. Petronius, once Nero's friend, went during a light party. He sent Nero a highly insulting letter, though.
hard pass. all those nice things would just make me more angry, not go softly into the night.
@@tranzco1173 to each their own. Understandable some would not want to go on a beautiful day. Some prefer to go out in glory, something I'd like myself, but if I knew when would be my last day, might as well make it beautiful. A final hurrah of sorts, a final moment of happiness before accepting the stop of my watch.
And steal your peaches.
Your work here today will earn you immortality . Watching this 2000 yrs later.
"On any street corner in Rome I can find six men able enough to be an army general. Yet I doubt if I can find even one man with the breadth of learning to be an orator." (Cicero, "On The Orator")
Such dignity and respect between the two characters
"Thought you meant me, heh.." hits so different now.. RIP you magnificent man.
Not only did he face death with dignity, he also bought time for the messenger.
I felt in this scene Cicero was grimly way pleased that the man to kill him was not some faceless, anonymous soldier but the famed Titus Pullo, who gives him the respect of proper manners, calling him 'Sir' and asking permission to take a peach.
This felt more like an execution than an assassination.
Because it was. Cicero had been proscribed. Pullo had simply been sent to execute the decree of the Triumvers.
Very poetic shot of eagle circling at the sky. Eagle was the standard of Caesar. The bill always comes due.
The eagle was the standard of all Rome, including the republic Cicero fought for.
The eagle was also a symbol for apotheosis, it is found on the underside of the arch of Titus for example.
@@Cybermat47 Eagles are also well known for hunting snakes, such as Cicero.
The Eagle wasn't just a standard of Caesar, it was the symbol of Rome.
@@N0TYALC Cicero, a snake? Hardly. What a viper was not Caesar then, an usurper and a tyrant.
Greatly acted. Every scene in this series. Brilliance. I miss it.
An awesome scene. The actor Cicero really brings Ciceros stoicism to bear. To meet death with such grace and equability
With the actual stabbing bit at the end. Great clip 😁
I can only hope to be as brave as Cicero when my time comes
Dunno bout my bravery, but I'll definitely be as afraid as him.
This scene: _poignant, well acted, sad, emotional_
Surprise child at the very end: *"RREEEEEE-" **04:11*
“It is not a well thing that you do, soldier, but do try to do it well.”
One of the greatest moments in a show.
Augustus was incredibly guilty about what happened to Cicero. Man was like a father to him.
Not really, he admired Ceaser way more, he actually did justice to the way the Senator assassinated the former Emperor.
They were so afraid of Ceaser becoming a dictator that in the end the Senate mirrored what a dictator would have done, which was to assassinate in a brutal way the rival party.
There's a bit in 'I, Claudius' where Agrippa Postumus sees Augustus weeping over what he has done by exiling him. Postumus is unmoved, commenting that Augustus is quite willing to do terrible things and then weep over them (or something to that effect). Perhaps in reality Augustus was plagued by guilt over some of his acts, but he was utterly ruthless when he needed to be. Just ask Caesarion.
This was one of the greatest death scenes I've ever had the privelege of seeing in television.
This scene is exciting, beautiful, ironically funny and very sad 😢 all in one . When Cicero, close to death looks up at the sky and sees that eagle soaring far above with such freedom is beautiful.
Pullo who is about to murder Cicero, innocently and politely asks if he can take some peaches ...😂
And seeing the old slave of Ciceros crying and hugging him is really tears my heart.
This slave looks like the villian in Harry Potter, especially when he is begging.
Guys, you maybe want to read the text written by that slave, but freed being Roman, his name is Tyro, he wrote the life of Cicero
Cicero, lived as a Roman and died as a Roman. R.I.P
I needed to watch this show again last week. Got the Blu Ray box set now, don't mind paying for such brilliance
That slave was not free by the way. his property was confiscated and that includes the slave. his will was null and void.
Tiro was freed long before Cicero's death. He lived as a freedman for about 50 years! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Tullius_Tiro
@@sadlad666 Why did he say you’ve been freed in my will then?
@@captainrev4959 The show takes a few historical liberties, but I figure they added the line in here to get a Tiro cameo, and to show the audience that Cicero was a decent man.
@@captainrev4959 Hollywood ...Tiro sold himself into slavery ( a not so uncommon practice among highly educated greeks at the time ) but was freed after a very short time in Cicero's service
@@tannstang Yup. There are more misconceptions than actual understandings by the average person of stuff from this era. The most famously Hollywood perhaps, how people came to be gladiators and what their lives were like.
To quote Thomas Jefferson, "My beloved Tully". Marcus Tullius Cicero, whose writings form the basis of our dying Constitution and Republic. A giant.
Great show about Rome who sadly got cancelled after two seasons.
Cicero was one of the greatest statesmen in Rome's history, his murder via the proscriptions is a tragedy.
I loved the line when Pullo arrived home after fulfilling his gruesome task. It was something like "I'm home. Anybody want some peaches?"
Possibly Cicero's most famous moment happened before the HBO Rome timeline starts. Eighteen years previously when consul, Cicero exposed the Catalinian conspiracy. Cataline, heavily in debt from previous failed attempts to win the consulship, conspired to take it by force with the aim of declaring widespread debt-forgiveness - for himself in particular.
During a session of the Senate held in the Temple of Jupiter Stator, built in thanks by Romulus for the Romans having held their ground against an attack by the Sabines (Cicero was likely invoking this symbolism), he confronted Cataline with the famous opening: "Quo usque tandem abutere, Catalina, patienta nostra?" ("For how long, Cataline, will you continue to abuse our patience?").
Cataline fled Rome to join his army outside the city, but was defeated in battle and killed at the head of his troops. Cicero had secured his own fame. Being an lawyer and orator, he could not make his reputation on the battlefield like a Sulla or a Marius, but instead made it by defending Rome with his oratory. Historians have argued about the degree to which Cataline was really a threat, but most agree that he was probably up to no good, although Cicero may have "sexed it up" a bit for the sake of his own reputation.
Ah, shades of my latin classes in High School
Such a man we shall never see again, and pity there are not more of him today.
I agree about Ray
RIP ray stevenson one of the finest british actor ever.very much shocked to hear his passing. one wonderful actor and a good man.he will be missed greatly
Especially since he was Irish...
This scene fucked me up 20 years ago when I first saw it as a kid. Now, almost two decades later I find it even more horrifying.
RIP Pullo
Pullo's name does live on - he was one of Caesar's soldiers in the Gallic wars. We know this because Caesar mentioned him specifically. Of course, Pullo probably wasn't the one who really killed Cicero, but he does in this production.
As was Vorenus, they were both mentioned for particular bravery in battle.
@@taroman7100 Yeah, the writers of 'Rome' plucked those names out of De Bello Gallica and created fictional characters who weave in and out of great events like ancient Zeligs. It's a good device, but of course the names of Cicero's actual killers are lost in the mists of time.
Cicero: I am to die. My life is at it's end...
Pullo: Can I have some peaches?
From beginning to end, this series was *LIT*
a nice way to explain what stoicism is.
What I love and hate about this series is, that once you hate cicero for killing Ceasar but you can't be happy when he dies.
Cicero was not one of the assassins. He was a proponent of the rule of law and thus butted heads with Caesar when the latter made end runs around legal tradition, but stopped short of killing Caesar. He backed Brutus in an attempt to create a foil for Antony, who he hated and who tended to flout the law with the use of force, a habit he picked up from Caesar but with none of Caesar's deftness.
Unfortunately he vastly overestimated Brutus' actual skills as a politician, Antony outmaneuvered him almost immediately, managed to strike an alliance with Cicero's last protector in Italy (Octavian) and Brutus did not act in time to save his ally.
@@hagamapama “How I could wish that you had invited me to that most glorious banquet on the Ides of March!" -Cicero
The only reason he wasn’t one of the assassins is that they were smart enough not to trust a snake like him with the plot. “Proponent of the rule of law” my ass.
Cicero didn't kill Caesar and I hated Caesar anyway so that wasn't a problem for me. He deserved what he got and Octavian was a better ruler despite his brutal ways, bringing a new Pax Romana whereas Ceasar would just continued warring and using the common people as a shield to deflect from his own tyranny. I prefer an honest tyrant to a dishonest one.
After being pardoned by Cesar. Cicero repaid him with this:
A letter Cicero wrote in February 43 BC to Trebonius, one of the conspirators, began, "How I could wish that you had invited me to that most glorious banquet on the Ides of March! Cicero reaped what he had sowed!
@@N0TYALC suspect he was not completely on board with violence in the senate chamber given the reverence he held for the place
Caesar gave him so many opportunities to live. The problem was all of the traitors were so humbled so humiliated by his forgiveness that it led them to heresy.
Cicero was a fool. With Octavian, Anthony and Cassius on the rampage he danced on the pyre. Anybody would have killed him. What was tragic to me was the death of his brother. He served Caesar in Gaul and then avoided both sides in the civil war. Just to be killed in passing during Anthony and Octavian's purges.
Caesar was also a traitor to his country. And Cicero had obligations to his country rather than the bastard Octavian or the incompetetent Marcus.
@@xhagast Cicero was the greatest politician of the Roman Republic, and to be honest I admire him.
I dont blame him for supporting the assassination of Ceaser. It was the right thing to do. He had taken control of the senate and packed it with loyalists, breaking every convention that ever existed. he changed the laws to allow people to skip ranks to get to Praetor and Consul without doing the work. hell he made the consulship into an award. Your loyal to Ceaser? Here, be consul for a month!
He took bullshit titles that didnt exist, made himself Dictator of Rome for far longer then he should be, was given absurd power and basically made the senate a puppet government. It was no longer working, it was basically just there to do Ceasers bidding and give him rewards.
Cicero cared about the senate, he cared about upholding the Republic. When he joined Pompey he did so because although he thought both Ceaser and Pompey would make themselves dictators, he wished to preserve the power of the senate to a certain degree to reclaim its power in the future. And when Pompey fell, he went and joined Ceaser for the same purpose. To preserve in the best of his ability the senate and Roman Republic.
Ceaser was a tyrant, and a true enemy to the Republic. Cicero cared for the Republic, more then anything else. He cared for the Senate as an institution. He cared for political system, for order and stability. In the first Civil War it was Cicero who came closest to averting it. he acted as mediator between Pompey and Antony and almost had a deal until Cato fucked it up!
He was a good man. A principled man. A man who truly cared for his nation, and his ideals. And Ceaser stood in stark opposition to them. Cicero stood for Law and Order. For Justice. For the Senate and the Republic. All of which Ceaser fought against again and again.
And if you dont believe me, look to his Consulship. Look at how he dealt with the Catiline conspiracy. The Senatus Consultum Ultimum was passed. He had the authority to do whatever was necerecairy to defend the Republic. He still went to the senate for aproval. He was named Father of the Republic for his actions. And he proved himself a nobel Senator of rome. Even with unlimited power in his hands he still respected the institutions of the Republic.
And after the death of Ceaser, he instantly began to work towards the same goal he did under Pompey, under Ceaser and now with the assasins. To ensure the power of the senate. And had it worked, had Brutus not been such an indecisive moron, and had Octavian not betrayed him then I fully believe he would of done his absolute best to ensure the restoration of the Roman Republics political system.
So no, Cicero was not a fool. I have heard people metion his celebration about the death of Ceaser. He celebrated the death of a tyrant who stood against all he held dear. That is reasonable, as I see no difference in a group of Russian MPs assassinating Putin to try and restore democracy to there nation then what Brutus and the conspirators did to Ceaser. They took proportionate and reasonable action to oust an autocrat and restore the Roman Republic. Something to be commended not condemed. And certainly something to admire.
Ceaser deserved it, Cicero did not. He was a good man, and his death was a major injustice
@@xhagast Cicero lived a long and incredibly rich life tho. And was an old man by the time of his excecution. And his name still lives on. So not a failure i would say .
@@Hmt2000 You spend your life building a skyscraper just to watch it collapse. A long and rich life, maybe, but you are still a failure. Even if everybody remembers you as an architect.
Un capolavoro Assoluto questo serial TV "Roma". Lo vedo e rivedo, e ogni volta qualcosa di nuovo. Povero Oratore dopo Filippi. Ma...Ringrazio, molto.
Walter
This is a beautiful scene. Truly well done.
RIP Ray Stevenson.
RIP Ray Stevenson, XIII forever 🗡️
I love how Titus was polite,respectful and even kind in a strange way because it was business and not personal.
cicero was very sassy, and one of his sassiest moments (imo) are in his death. accounts say that he was fleeing and, mid flight, decided to stop fleeing to take a seat and read, which is how his assassins found him. he ordered them to kill him correctly, as they could at least do one thing right in their lives. brilliant.
Game of thrones was so dumb compared to Rome
Dumb and dumber
Reality vs fiction. No contest. You can't BELIEVE the stuff that really happened. Madame Dubarry, lover of the last French king, in the middle of the French Revolution, got permission to go to England after a thieving servant. And then SHE CAME BACK! And to the guillotine she went...
Cancelling this show was the biggest mistake HBO ever made
Pullo is the nicest damned executioner you could ask for.
Pullo had no bad intentions just a bad job
What a fantastic mini series this was. I revisit it every couple years. Fine cast ànd writing
Titus Pullo: "Hello there! Wonderful to meet you. Today I'm going to be your assassin, and the very best assassin you could hope for. Now, let's get you comfortable shall we? You've a long way to go, metaphysically speaking."
Good peaches!
I could never quite understand why they only did two seasons of this brilliant series. Imagine the budget that was squandered on the risible 'Rings Of Power' being put to use on a new series of 'Rome'. We can but live in hope.
Because HBO had to choose between this or game of thrones. As much as I prefer Rome over GOT, it's undeniable that they made the right choice financially
@@Solinvic That is false. Rome was absurdly expensive, a co-production with the BBC and didn't bring in ratings to justify its massive cost. GoT wasn't even approved to shoot a pilot until Nov. 2008, almost two and a half years after Rome's cancellation was announced.
Because 2005 TV is a hell of a lot different than TV in 2023. Plus a $100 million USD budget for one season is roughly $180 million today. Rome was good, Rome was expensive, not enough people watched it. That's it. Don't know why you're bringing up Rings of Power except for being a pissbaby.
The set of Rome burned and it was too costly to rebuild it.
It's a shame they didn't make a season 3. RIP Ray Stevenson.
This might be one of the most wholesome assassination scenes of all time
R.i.P. Pullo
XIII
Say what you want, but the man was no coward. In a world of warlords and swords, Cicero fought with a pen.
I miss watching this show..it feels like your in ancient rome..in the Mediterranean heat ,thr sand the atmosphere..watching it with a cold beer..those were the days..hopefully someone in the future will try to create another show about ancient rome..maybe a different timr period..like the punic wars
Its a testament to how much charisma the actor that plays Titus Pulo, that he murders a man in cold blood and we still love him.
Rip Actor for Titus Pullo! the 13th legion honors you.
That, did not look painless..
Relatively. That sort of stab was meant to go down past the collarbone directly through the heart. Definitely not painless, but extremely fast, and easier than beheading with a sword like that.
The shock of being stabbed and losing that much blood so quickly... He probably didnt feel much at all after 5 seconds or so
I guess it would have been nicer if they waited 20 years for him to die of heart disease but under the circumstances this was merciful. Anthony would have prefered Cicero's hands cut off while still alive.
That would have severed several major arteries and pierced the heart. The extreme and sudden blood loss would have almost immediately put him into shock, especially since Pullo struck down quickly and precisely and removed the sword pretty much immediately, ensuring that the blade wasn't blocking the flow of blood.
Allright, confess guys, who watching this during reading Robert Harris's Cicero trylogy?
This is how it really happened.
As reported by Seneca the Elder, according to the historian Aufidius Bassus, Cicero's last words are said to have been:
Ego vero consisto. Accede, veterane, et, si hoc saltim potes recte facere, incide cervicem.
I go no further: approach, veteran soldier, and, if you can at least do so much properly, sever this neck.[119]
He bowed to his captors, leaning his head out of the litter in a gladiatorial gesture to ease the task. By baring his neck and throat to the soldiers, he was indicating that he would not resist. According to Plutarch, Herennius first slew him, then cut off his head. On Antony's instructions his hands, which had penned the Philippics against Antony, were cut off as well; these were nailed along with his head on the Rostra in the Forum Romanum according to the tradition of Marius and Sulla, both of whom had displayed the heads of their enemies in the Forum. Cicero was the only victim of the proscriptions who was displayed in that manner. According to Cassius Dio, in a story often mistakenly attributed to Plutarch,[120] Antony's wife Fulvia took Cicero's head, pulled out his tongue, and jabbed it repeatedly with her hairpin in final revenge against Cicero's power of speech.[121]
What a brilliant scene.
I've had better days.
Indeed
what a great and intriguing scene. They both know exactly why Pullo is there. They both silently acknowledge that what's about to happen is not personal in any way but has to be done because it was ordered by men much bigger than either of them. Cicero starts to reflect on his life, his existence, his mark on history, and Titus seems some nice juicy peaches and politely asks if he can pick some while cicero comes to terms with his own mortality. Titus, a notoriously impatient and hot-headed man, even politely waits for Cicero to say goodbye to his slave/servant butler. Also fucking RIP to Ray Stevenson. This was the first thing I saw him in, but he was great in Dexter, Book of Eli, Thor, The Clone wars/rebels as Gar Saxon, and of course his final role in Ahsoka.
this show was a masterpiece, brilliant actors, excellent dialogues and flow of events, they don't do them like that anymore
edit: Many details and emotions in this particular scene, it's beyond words, and it literally makes me cry whenever i watch it.
Outlander is a good one
They do mad men, sons of anarchy justified, vikings breaking bad. Rome is good but nowhere near being a masterpiece. There are so many tv shows better.
@@lampad4549 Rome is far above any of the series you mentioned
Game of thrones only worked because HBO got Rome so right. The political intrigue, great dialogue and terrific production were all experimented in Rome and put to good use in GoT. Too bad they still didn't quite figure out the budget.
Not quite the masterpiece it could have been if it had been 3 seasons instead of 2
Good work!
*Cicero at his Death*
Very well i am ready.
*Me at my Death holding a chair*
Don't come any closer!
At least it was quick.
Not only that. This is almost not painfull. Fast sword penetration like syringe stab directly to the heart. Pain less then second and massive blood loss immediately set you to a coma and then in it you die. 100% deadly and 100% quick. Still wery sad.
@@ivanpopov2788 I gotta disagree about the almost not painful part, it must've felt like sheer hell for at least a few seconds. It would have been totally painless if he had just cut his head off in one swing, though that sword wouldn't work most likely.
@@KRISTIANITY_ Probably beheading would be better, but this soldier's death i saw in gladiator and really I'm not sure, maybe this was standard practice of honourable execution in Roman Republic/Empire. If you can find a hint, share a link.
@@ivanpopov2788 Oh, it was honorable for sure, to them 'honorable' meant you gotta die by a Roman sword while accepting your death without whining about it, kind of making it consensual, death on your own terms. And this scene checks out all of these, for the most part. But the thing is, when it came to the manner of dying, they didn't necessarily connect honor to painlessness. In real life, Cato died 'honorably', so to speak, cause it was by his own hand, and he still ripped his guts out and died a horribly slow and painful death.
@@KRISTIANITY_ He deserved it
As a huge nerd 🤓 , for a tribute ,
My FallOut4 character has been named Titus Pullo Of The 13th Minutemen Legion . Boosted Charisma , A melee brute but overall a good soul.
Many people argued for the return of this series but without Mr. Stevenson it is a moot point. He was the heart of the this show. Rest in peace Titus Pullo 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Can't believe he passed. I saw him in other films. He was such a great actor.
Loool the last clip I saw had the stabbing cut. I was expecting the same and then he just pushes the sword in.😂
I think this aired on the BBC and HBO both. I wonder if one decided to cut that part.
More like a thrusting cut the Gladius has a wicked sharp point
@@DiviAugusti I think BBC made some cuts to the first 4 or 5 episodes of the show's first season but the second season was unaltered. I think these cuts were made by the uploader.
One thing I will say about Pullo is that at least he gave Cicero all the time he needed to say goodbye.
One thing that amused me seeing Rome for the first time, during these later episodes, was just how happy and content Titus Pullo was in a job that he was good at.
What didn’t he say his quote “ There is nothing proper about what you are doing solider, but at least try to kill me properly
I wonder how many of those "famous last words" were actually spoken . . .
@@NaughtyVampireGod Very few. I fear most were, "WAIT, I-!! Gurgle gurgle-something."
I thought he was at the beach reading a scroll which eventually found its way to Octavian
Hope I don't come across as a psychopath for this but the fact that they showed him being stabbed made the scene. If they did the classic cut away and did it off screen everything would have felt overly complementary to Cicero and false, like we should believe being stabbed to death is tranquil and almost joyful since he did it with such grace and nobility. But like a lot of scenes in the show dying nobly is still a horrible torturous experience and the fact that these characters willingly submit to it just for the sake of honor and reputation says a lot about who they are. The scene where Brutus dies could have ended with him stripping his armor and marching towards the army, but instead we are forced to watch every stab and grimace and then all the subsequent unnecessary stabbing and hacking. They all end terribly but that doesn't effect their image as honor bound people. Cicero is one of the biggest cowards in the show and he still blows his chance at escape to do right by his comrades and send a warning.
RIP Ray Stevenson. Went way too soon. Great Actor
He look at Pullo a simple and honest man. Even though he was the one to kill him, he treated Cicero with the proper respect. Look at the garden and what he accomplished. And that Rome perhaps wouldn't fall. And in the end the eagle. He knew elisium awaited him