@@ryanarment5393 its Funny how Sulla tried to prevent another guy like him to taking over and that's what happened exactly after him and the situation was so dire that the Caesar/Pompey civil war was just to define who would rule as a proto-emperor
Its funny that Cato knew what will happen. Cato knew they need to stand in Ceasar's way drastically or else there will be a civil war. But they wouldn't listen because of his raw and emotional outbursts.
Before I saw Rome TV Series and James Purefor as Marc Antony i always think Mark Antony as Shakesperean Lover of Cleopatra, thanks to this Tv Series, I realise Mark Antony is more than that.
Purefoy was born to play this role. He did so magnificently. It's natural to compare his portrayal to the notable actors who did Marc Anthony before him. On a less serious note, no one here has brought up the late, great Sydney James, who played Marc Anthony so hilariously in Carry on Cleo.
@@KohanKilletz I have and it's one of my favourite tv shows ever, well above 'Rome' even. Yet the visual recreation of the Roman world is evidently superior in this show.
@@Basauri48970 Its weird they insisted on a huge budget for costumes and sets rather than historical accuracy and good writing imo. Im all for seeing pleb representation in a roman show, but the fact that vorenus and pullo get in all the mischief they do managed to crush my suspension of disbelief. Choose one, epic or lowly i think
Marc Anthony is wearing a Paludamentum, which is a sort of cape used by the soldiers. It was illegal to enter in Rome wearing soldier's colthes because you only can walk at the city wearing civil ones. It was a matter of religion and a way to keep away any attemp to conquer the city by a dictator. Well, Marc Anthony was threaten the senate, it was an act to challenge them since the beginning of the conversation. In this way I just can say, well done scriptwritters.
As another guy pointed out, Marc Antony was wearing normal civilian clothes (white tunic and all) in the previous religious ceremony scene. And he purposefully changed backed to military uniform while going to meet the senators because he knew it was gonna piss off arch-conservatives like Cato. It was the shows subtle-way of showing how Caesar and Antony were slowly pushing the senate to civil war
@@madavarams268 Nobody except Sulla entered in Rome as a militar. It wasn't just a polítical reason It was manly a religious one. This scene was recorded as an act of reconciliaton because Pompey didn't want the attack. Anyway is a coupé d'etat, because Caesar was looking for an excuse to do it. A trumpist one if you want to make a parallel. Rome was an oligarchy an Caesar wanted to be like an hellenistic King. That's the context. Marcus Antonius didn't care about a reconciliaton because Caesar had His excuse to march to Rome.
Also if he did burn his cape like he suggested then he could have gone back and told Ceasars army that they forced him to burn his uniform, would have added more fuel to the fire when Ceasar gave that speech to his men
@vanessadebrino7231 James mentions in the ROME Commentaries that playing Mark Anthony was possibly his favourite role of his then career. He said he used to love reading the script because he couldn't believe out of amusement, the character he was going to play, and the things they were going to have him say and do. Great actor, perfect for the role.
Cato says, 'Comprehend, woman: this meeting is invisible [i.e. secret].' The surface of Atia's reply is 'The secret's safe with me' but her real meaning is 'I despise you; seeing you is distasteful to me.' Hope that makes sense.
This show was so well written. Pompey the Great wasn't ready for a war. Caesar knew it. Like a boxer Caesar came out swinging and caught Pompey off guard. Pompey was reeling on his back foot from the start. You can see it on his face here. If you have read the histories you will love this series. So much detail was added for history lovers.
If you think how high Pompejus standing before the conflict with Caesar was its kind of understandable. He was the biggest conqueror and hero figure to the people and the senate in Romes entire history. Had conquered more land than anyone. He was close to being godlike. For him to think he could fall was just impossible and lets not forget Caesars victory was decided by a brilliant scheeming maneuver. Even before the last battle Pompejus had the upper hand also in military power.
Caesar only had one legion in Cisalpine Gaul, it would have been impossible to invade Italy with that alone. Problem was that the Italian people started rallying to him and forming new legions :) Pompeius had spent too much time around people like Cato at this point.
Everyone is so well-cast here, and like in LOTR or GOT a lot of them have backgrounds in theatre. Doing multiple takes of one scene can't be the same as two hours in front of a live audience with no retakes. Cicero is particularly memorable to me, maybe as a combination of apparent weakness and inner strength - and because I admire the real-life character.
+Peter K. Good point , I have spent years thinking of a "weakest character " , even the "Slaves " are well cast in "Rome ". I can never decide on who my favorite character is , Vorenus is the man you would want as Centurion of your Legion , his unswerving devotion to duty , morality , intelligence and courage , a natural leader . Perfectly complemented by Titus Pullo , whose liberal interpretation of "morality " , fighting skills , and loyal devotion to Vorenus , make him such a like-able character . Then Mark Anthony , who gets all the best lines and the prettiest girls . My favorite scene is the "truce" between Anthony and Brutus , at the start of season 2 followed by Son of Hades (taught in all the best business schools , as the text book example of negotiation ) Then perhaps , Cicero's death scene , followed by Mark Anthony's , not forgetting Erastes Fulman 's send off , they all died well , they died Roman
In the end Caesar outsmarted them all by naming his grand nephew his heir. He knew Octavian would complete his “reforms.” I love how they show Octavian always in the background, observing, learning, analyzing.
It's actually one of the best lines in the series. It kind of reminds me of "Winter is coming," and coincidentally they both speak of winter: one coming, one going.
Agent1W You're wrong, the Romans, when they spoke with people, said not equus but caballum (italian cavallo), not os but bucca (italian bocca), not edere but manducare (italian masticare) etc
+Artruis Joew "especially given that Roman elites spoke Greek" While many of them probably were able to speak Greek, I very much doubt that they normally spoke Greek rather than Latin.
i see a lot of comments from you about rome, why dont you read some books about them. If u never read something about them i can recommend Plutarch (us). I think u wil definetly like him !!! and to begin i recommend: ceasar/alexander.
I always found the history of Rome to be very fascinating. HBO out did themselves with "Rome" even though they took many liberties. I will look into your recommendations.
SimplyLimbo As far Anthony and Cicero, Philipicas are the best source of knowledge. First of all, Ph's are critical not sort of laudative, as usually happens if sb writes about a great persona and were written by Cicero who lived at the same time . Probably thanks to him Anthony is such a colorful character because Cicero did not choose the words, just wrote the worst possible about Anthony. And paid for that, of course.
***** I agree with SimplyLimbo , read Plutarch , and his "Parallel Lives " where he draws comparisons between Great Romans and Greeks . As an Introduction to the Classical world , you could start with Herodotus and the "Histories " , Then Thucydides and the retelling of the War between Athens and Sparta , Xenophon and the march of the 10000 , is aslo enjoyable as background , then on to Alexander the Great and Arrian . You then have an appetite for Livy , Rome from the beginning , then the Punic Wars , culminating in "the War with Hannibal " , Caesar wrote some good books , namely the" Gallic War " . Its a sheer joy , the Ancient World .
This scene is worth Shakespeare. Besides probably it might have been looking exactly like here. And showing the young Octavian interested in politics was such great idea to introduce him as clever and smart schemer not only just a future emperor .
Octavian was an anomaly,the more his grip tightened on the state the less he showed it off he was a riddle...like the sphinx he used in his signat ring.
A great pity that this show was cancelled! The casting, the writing and acting - **outstanding!** I could **easily** watch an hour of this series every night! Please, HBO - **bring it back!** Let it grace our screens once more....... :)
True! It was brilliantly written and the cast was stellar and compelling. HBO at that time didn’t want to spend such huge amount of money for a TV show. Also, at that time, although Rome had fair amount of viewers, people were more interested in other genres such as medical, mystery/crime, spy, so on. Historical was not the thing then. The history of Rome is so fascinating and it deserves it own brilliantly made TV show or movie.
Interesting note here: historically, Caesar was actually seeking to stand for election to consul in absentia at this time (as Pompey had done once before.) He had previously served as consul 10 years earlier and had spent the entire time since fighting the Gauls. He waited this long to seek the consulship again because by Roman law, one could only be a consul once every ten years. He intended to serve as consul again, help reform Rome legally as consul and then once again go to a province. When the Senate demanded he lay down his arms, he countered with an agreement to do so if Pompey did as well. This was well received by most, outside of Cato and the optimate consuls of the year The Senate then (illegally) demanded he simply lay down his arms. To protect himself, Caesar had Antony and another tribune make his proposals before the full Senate, where once again Cato and the consuls rejected them harshly, throwing both tribunes out of the Senate and keeping them from meeting the People's Assembly. Now, attacking the tribunes was not only sacrilegious, it was also punishable by death, so by attacking Caesar's tribunes, the optimates had themselves acted illegally in full view of the people, thus Caesar was able to start the civil war without guilt.
There is an interesting part about this "canditacy in absentia"-thing: In Rome, you had to be present to get elected. Not only for presentation, but also because of safety-reasons (as we all know, you lose your office once you return to Rome). There are however options to do it in absentia. Caesar asked for this, after serving his term as proconsul. But Pompey "forgot" to put him on the list, so Caesar couldn't get elected. For Caesar this wasn't really new though, since he always had to fight against the Senate for his career. After his consulship, they tried to give him an office in Italy that basically was a glorified forest master, nothing more. So probably the least important office you could get as a former consul.
Illegally? Caesar made his whole career as Consul by acting illegally. He got where he was as governor by acting illegally. He attacked and slaughtered Gauls illegally. Caesar didn't just demand that Pompey step down, he demanded he stepped down before himself. Caesar was fully guilty of the crimes the Senate accused him of. And if you want to talk about acting against the people, don't forget that the Populares (Caesar's faction) under Clodius started a gang warfare in Rome and attacked and disrupted the Senate. This was ended by Pompey which was the whole reason why Cato even tolerated him, despite their history.
@@hueylongdong347 And how was Caesar acting illegally? His co-consul attempted to make all government business illegal for religious reasons. With the Gauls, he was acting to protect Roman allies from being attacked and things just cascaded from there. Caesar offered that BOTH sides disarm to one legion, no comment about who was to disarm first. As for Clodius, he acted on his own, and he was not someone that Caesar would have associated with after the Bona Dea scandal
@@ottokarl5427 Pompey as consul had written a law that stated that you couldn't be elected to office in absentia. The intent was to make Caesar open to prosecution when his command expired. After Caesar's immense victory at Alesia the Roman people celebrated him for months in the streets and when he asked for an exception to the law the senate didn't dare reject it. The conservatives tried another approach saying his second proconsular term expired when it was granted and wasn't counted from when the first expired. This would mean Caesar's command ended before he stood for election to consul. making his exception pointless.
Winter doesn't last forever. Spring comes , snows melt. SnowS ALWAYS melt. - The perfect display of superiority of ROME over GOT and their winter, that is coming, hard and heavy;)
To be fair the winter in Rome lasts 3 months. The average winter in GoT is 3 years and the one that is coming is going to last at least twice that long if not changed by supernatural means by the end of Book 7. As for the show, once it left the source material the writing has been total shit. Though as Caesar was the current Pontifex Maximus and hadn't reset the calendars during his Gallic Campaign the Pompeians had no real idea when the snows would actually form and melt at certain points. Of course Caesar used this to his advantage.
"This quote contrasts that quote... therefore my show is superior to another show" The fuck kind of logic is that? I prefer rome overall too (unless martin can pull off a satisfying ending with the books then we will see) but some of you tribalistic fanboys need to grow up and end this petty rivalry between two shows that should appeal to fans of both and were never in competition.
It's to be noted Caesar wanted 2 Legions and a Province, which was rejected. Cicero then put up the notion to Pompey and Anthony of one legion and one Province everyone agreed but Cato who said he'd only agree to a deal where Caesar would have no legions. Pretty much every historian agrees that Cato wouldn't honor//agree to any deal past exile or worse for Caesar from how he conducted himself and the resentment for embassments Cato had for Caesar.
@@Mago.- It ended rather horribly for Cato, but he is still to be admired for his tenacity and resistance to the type of corruption and evil so prevalent in government then. He believed in and defended Rome the republic, but in the end, Caesar won out, which spelled both the end of Cato and the republic. We would do well to support such moral strength when it is found in the present day and when faced with evil men who seek to take all power for themselves.
@@whiteknightcat Except Caesar wasn't the end of the Republic, nor was he planning to be. Here's how things would have gone if Caesar had his way. First, assuming negotiations worked after the Gallic Wars, he would have been reelected consul, introduced more reforms like in his first term, been assigned a province near the Parthians, fought them, returned ten years later as consul for a third time and retired. Second, if he hadn't been assassinated, he would have remained dictator for a few months before going to war with the Parthians and then retiring. Gaius Julius Caesar believed in the Republic, but he also saw many flaws in it and wanted to fix those flaws. It wasn't Julius Caesar who doomed the Republic, but the so-called Liberators. By making Caesar a martyr, they doomed the Republic because Octavian was the real threat.
@@DavidbarZeus1 You are being extremely generous with your interpretation of Caesar's motives. There is every indication that he wanted a crown and claiming that he "loved the republic" when his efforts had shattered all of its institutions beyond repair is bold. Ultimately his reforms were a great help to Rome in both the short and long term (Julius Caesar was a genius after all) but he did more than any other single person to destroy the roman republic and had he not been assassinated he would either have died on campaign or returned to Rome as an emperor.
"... Spring comes, snows melt ... That's a THREAT !! I assure you it is no threat. Snows ... ALWAYS ... melt " Winter IS coming ! But snows always melt.
Sad fact, HBO ROME was originally written as 5 seasons, but a fire destroyed a square mile of the Egpytian quarter during the filming of season 1. The vast majority of the built up, decorated, plumbed in buildings and palaces adorned with monuments and frescos were burned to the ground. All that remained save for some outlying areas was a large part of the Royal Palace used in season 2. The fire was so devastating and costly that despite ROME being at the time HBO's flagship show with a massive viewerbase they cancelled after only 2 seasons. The original planned seasons 2 and 3 were to be centered around Egpyt and the War between Rome under Octavian and Egpyt under Anthony and Cleopatra. Season 4 was to take place during the reign of Octavian as the 1st Emperor of Rome as Augustus and be centered around Germania, with Pullo and Vorenus surviving the battle of the Teutoburg forest. Season 5 was to be centered around Judea and the Jewish Revolt and the coming of Yeshua of Nazareth. Source - episodic commentary and text features on the ROME special anniversary edition blu ray.
Not sure about that. Different kind of show. Loved both of them. This one had the most interesting period to deal with. But the cast of I Claudius......even get to see Brian Blessed acting quietly 😅..
@@DrakariZargon Good thing that there was no season 3 then.. the Roman haven't heard of Jesus at all. It was just another cult among dozen others popping up at their border regions.
In reality they almost agreed to 1 legion and 1 province but Cato wanted none of it.. he hated Caesar and didn't want him to get away with his crimes (Pompey was also guilty and knew it so he mostly stayed quiet during the whole ordeal(lasted 3 years) before surrounding himself with the likes of Cato). Cato is Brutus uncle and the brother of Servilia.
@@a.wenger3964 There's also the plain fact that in the ancient world Spring and Summer were the seasons of war, while it was thought rather dangerous to fight in Winter or Autumn.
"Snows. Always. Melt." Three words, yet they speak volumes. What a great show this was. Also Attia with the "I do not see you." line, only Attia could veil an insult inside an assurance.
I always thought they did an excellent job showing Octavian as extremely intelligent. He's also able to think on a large scale -- for example, with borrowing money and giving it to the plebs. Atia and Antony, with narrower minds, just see him wasting cash. Octavian understands he's buying an empire. Great show.
Octavian and Marc Antony were well-developed character in this series. At first, he is a weak, scrawny, low testosterone nerd. But his studies pay off and so does his observations of other peoples' failures. Octavian is the geek type-B that everyone makes fun of in high school, but ends up at the top of the socio-economic hierarchy because he is highly intelligent and very conscientious. Marc Antony, on the other hand, was the strong, confident alpha-male jock...who ultimately ends up losing because his foolish arrogance.
the biggest plot twist in actual history. who created Pax Romana, relative peace and minimal expansion experienced by the Roman Empire for approximately 206 years. all hail the Emperor Augustus!
One huge mistake. This is Octavians mother. A noble Roman woman who did not spend her time in Rome in bed with Anthony. There was no relationship between the two AT ALL. The Octavii were from a country town Velletri. Octavian's father died young but was a junior Senator. Big major faux pas on behalf of the writers. Atia was not a whore! Those scene with Timon were a disgrace. If Octavian were here heads would roll off a few writers.
They weren't trying to be historically factual with the internal weavings of the show,.. It's like a parallel universe but the historical Outline reaches the same conclusion. Most people understand this without it being mentioned ,..Most people ; ( This is NOT a documentary.. Stop ruining everybody's Good Time PLEASE~
this show was outrageous good when it was one. I'm glad it was only two season. it made perfect sense to end it how it did. Rewatching this takes me back to my youth, 19-20 yr's old. Love James Purefoy.
"The man's term ends in 2 weeks" "We say 6 months" Fun Fact: As Pontifex Maximus, Caesar was in charge of resetting the calendar every few months but because he was away in Gaul for so long it was totally skewed. He used the skewed calendar to his advantage by arguing his term ended later than it should.
No he didn't. When Caesar got his proconsulship extended by 5 years in 55 bc. It was understood it would begin when his first term expired but the Boni noticed that the law written didn't specify a date so the conservatives argued that it started when the law was written and thus would expire 50 bc, before Caesar could run for consul in 49 bc in absentia while holding imperium, immune from prosecution.
Caesar had his Governorship of Gaul extended by 5 years at the Luca conference. Pompey was there as was Crassus. Caesar’s original term was 5 years 58-53, but Caesar wanted it extended by 5 so he can be eligible for Consul in 49 BCE and would be able to continue his legal immunity.
This scene is so good :-) Apart from the brilliant "Snows. always. melt"-line (3:08), I am especially beguiled by Attia's response to Anthony's flattery at 0:45 --- that slight crinkling of the nose in delight is a stroke of acting genius. Let me quote the mighty internet: "Nose crinkling is an involuntary response to certain smells, but it can also be a way to show distaste for something. When people see something they don’t like, their natural reaction is to wrinkle their noses in disgust. This is because the brain is trying to protect itself from potentially harmful smells. Having said that, we can also see the crinkled noise as a positive when flirting with people. Women will often use the crinkled noise to show a sign of affection."
Wow! No words to say, other then he exactly nailed down the character of the Marc Antony I have always had in my head. Also I love his character progression. This scene is one of his first main ones in the series. By comparing this early scene with one of his later ones, he acts way more immature and younger in this one. That's what I love about HBO Rome, the writing is spot on! Characters well flushed out, Historical accuracy at a perfect balance of Hollywood vs Facts. Truly a gem among Series
"Be sure Cato, I do not see you" I still don't know if she wants to be assuring or if she just dissed him for being so unimportant/not good looking/interesting that she just pretends he isn't there...
enaremco Its called character development. I think about 18 years must have passed from this scene to his death, he must have been 34-35 years for this scene and maybe a 52-53 year old man when he died. So yeah, he changed a lot because he became a little bit more "mature".
This is my all favorite scean from any show. Antony is so good at flirting making treat and blackmail or just don't giving a shit. And naillng stuff and hand at the senat door.
If only they added the fact that many of the Gauls Caesar was slaghtering were backed and under the protection of other Romans. The duality angle would had made this show better
It really seems weird that Rome seems to "care" about foreigners. When in reality, Caesar exaggerated his kill count because that was what people back at home wanted to read.
I am still waiting to drop that line into a serious negotiation "And ?" , "winter does not last forever , spring comes , Snow melts " "thats a threat ! " "thats no threat " "Snow ALWAYS melts "
Great scene. I really like it. However, the actual meeting it is based on (and which actually took place in Pompey's house) was more interesting. This one makes it look that Caesar had an all-or-nothing offer. (Give me Illyria and a legion or else...) In fact, he wanted more to start with, but he gave leeway to Antony to negotiate it down to a more modest deal. And leading conservatives (Pompey, Cicero) were ready to strike that deal. But Cato flipped out and berated his allies for being so soft. He (together with the one of the consuls for the year, Lentulus Crus) insisted on leaving Caesar with no legions at all. So, the conservatives backed out. With that, their best chance of averting the civil war was gone. I guess the scriptwriters changed the story because they wanted to show Pompey as tragically complacent. There is something to that. Apparently, Pompey could not imagine that someone like Caesar could best him in battle. We remember him primarily for his spectacular defeat at Pharsalus and his ignominious death in Egypt. But at this point in time, he was a staggeringly successful general - with much more in terms of stellar achievements than Caesar. He also had broader political support in Rome, a formidable army in Hispania, and a string of staunch allies among client kings in the East.
Not to mention vastly greater personal wealth (at least until Caesar conquered Gaul) and an army of inherited clients, as well as the army of personal clients--including, as you said, many Eastern kings. Pompey the Great had an interesting life, but my god, could he be feckless and vain (from what I have read, anyway.)
I love how Rome portrays Cato accurately. He despised Ceaser for many reasons. One reason was probably because Ceaser had a fling with Cato's sister or niece kinda forgot.
"Command of a province. So he will have legal immunity. And so that none of you rascals can go dragging him through the courts." Well that line sounds... relevant, in light of recent events. Fun fact: it is from Rome that the idea of holding office immunizing you from prosecution originates.
Many people do not realize that this conversation, the whole story, actually, took place in New Jersey, back in... '47, I believe, AFTER the War. It was in Bergen county, hard by Ramsey. You're welcome. 😮😅😅😅
Pompey was great planner and always chose each step carefully before leaping unknown. He also was respected abroad cause he didnt carry himself with this aura of superity, i say he knew more kings and rulers personally than Caesar. He looked things and possible outcomes, weighed options, chose best approach and put his determination to it. No feelings. He wasnt great on one specific skill but he wasnt stupid. The pirate problem he looked outside the box, maybe it was just that he allways seemed to take the right steps and go from win to win. If he made decisions like this even once, personally insulted and not thinking straight, he made an error. Caesar was better than him in grabbing victories when weaker and it allways came as suprise. If Pompey could maintain, forget word... Were u allways dictate the next move and trusted his skills, he really would have equal chances. Some say he was average with amazing luck, but he prospered under Sulla (must be a tight rope to walk for anyone), was go-to general for many years,2x triumphant. It is true that he made few terrible decisions and thats were his luck came in. He wasnt yet making it in decisive battle. But he one time would have been dictator, no one to challenge him, all he had to do was make it public and it would have been his, for some reason he let it pass.
Pompey was never in a position to take Rome. When he returned at the height of his power (after the second triumph), he couldn't even get his reforms through. The senate blocked him completly, because he was too far off in terms of the cursus honorum. It was this blockade that led to the formation of the first Triumphvirate between Pompey, Crassus and Caesar. And though it wasn't official, he actually kind of was dictator, tasked with the defence of the republic against Caesar.
Imagine if Pompey defeated Caesar, became dictator set asides the republic, established the empire. His Surname will become the title of Emperors. The Emperors of Russia, and Germany will be called differently.
"Caesar has many more legions than the 13th." "On the far side of the Alps." "Spring comes. Snows melt." "That's a threat!" "I assure you, it is no threat. Snows. Always. Melt." Idk what's better, the writing or the acting, this bit is so funny yet dramatic lol
The fact that Rome was canceled in its prime, and Game of Thrones was allowed to wallow in the mire for 4 seasons, is a tragedy.
It’s tragic, although I can’t imagine the show without M Antony
@@aunch3 He wouldn't have died in the second season if the show was allowed to go on.
James Purefoy was offered more than one part of Game of Thrones. He turned them down on principle.
Shame on the house of HBO.
Different times.
- "If he does not get a province?"
- "Caesar will take ALL. MEASURES. REQUIRED..."
- Cato: GULP
Yeah, Cato knew. He couldn't stop himself, but he knew...
Probably was thinking back to what happened when sulla took all measures required.
@@ryanarment5393 Kinda funny with him backing Pompey, one of Sulla's top lieutenants
@@ryanarment5393 its Funny how Sulla tried to prevent another guy like him to taking over and that's what happened exactly after him and the situation was so dire that the Caesar/Pompey civil war was just to define who would rule as a proto-emperor
Its funny that Cato knew what will happen. Cato knew they need to stand in Ceasar's way drastically or else there will be a civil war. But they wouldn't listen because of his raw and emotional outbursts.
I couldn't picture anyone else portraying Antony... ever. James Purefoy was a perfect choice.
Have you seen Brando
Before I saw Rome TV Series and James Purefor as Marc Antony i always think Mark Antony as Shakesperean Lover of Cleopatra, thanks to this Tv Series, I realise Mark Antony is more than that.
Purefoy was born to play this role. He did so magnificently. It's natural to compare his portrayal to the notable actors who did Marc Anthony before him.
On a less serious note, no one here has brought up the late, great Sydney James, who played Marc Anthony so hilariously in Carry on Cleo.
Yeah Purefoy Antony is a total dick.
He tries but he over did it and that is why I suspect there was no speech in the show from antonius
This series is surely the greatest representation of Ancient Rome ever put to screen.
“Thou art tribune of plebs.”
Mark Anthony: sigh. Bout time. LOL
Someone's never seen I, Claudius
@@KohanKilletz I have and it's one of my favourite tv shows ever, well above 'Rome' even. Yet the visual recreation of the Roman world is evidently superior in this show.
@@Basauri48970 Its weird they insisted on a huge budget for costumes and sets rather than historical accuracy and good writing imo. Im all for seeing pleb representation in a roman show, but the fact that vorenus and pullo get in all the mischief they do managed to crush my suspension of disbelief. Choose one, epic or lowly i think
Didn't know Rome had some many british people around
Marc Anthony is wearing a Paludamentum, which is a sort of cape used by the soldiers. It was illegal to enter in Rome wearing soldier's colthes because you only can walk at the city wearing civil ones. It was a matter of religion and a way to keep away any attemp to conquer the city by a dictator. Well, Marc Anthony was threaten the senate, it was an act to challenge them since the beginning of the conversation. In this way I just can say, well done scriptwritters.
As another guy pointed out, Marc Antony was wearing normal civilian clothes (white tunic and all) in the previous religious ceremony scene. And he purposefully changed backed to military uniform while going to meet the senators because he knew it was gonna piss off arch-conservatives like Cato. It was the shows subtle-way of showing how Caesar and Antony were slowly pushing the senate to civil war
@@madavarams268 Nobody except Sulla entered in Rome as a militar. It wasn't just a polítical reason It was manly a religious one. This scene was recorded as an act of reconciliaton because Pompey didn't want the attack. Anyway is a coupé d'etat, because Caesar was looking for an excuse to do it. A trumpist one if you want to make a parallel. Rome was an oligarchy an Caesar wanted to be like an hellenistic King. That's the context. Marcus Antonius didn't care about a reconciliaton because Caesar had His excuse to march to Rome.
Also if he did burn his cape like he suggested then he could have gone back and told Ceasars army that they forced him to burn his uniform, would have added more fuel to the fire when Ceasar gave that speech to his men
technically it was they couldnt enter the pomerium not rome itself
@@AnvilMAn603 Rome was smaller in that time than during the imperial era
the most diplomatic threat ever 'snows always melt' XD
Quick reminder that James Purefoy is one of the greatest actors ever. He carries every scene he’s in
He was certainly born to play the part of Marc Antony
Of the former Antony's, Burton's Anthony in Cleopatra is atrociously bad acting.
@vanessadebrino7231 James mentions in the ROME Commentaries that playing Mark Anthony was possibly his favourite role of his then career. He said he used to love reading the script because he couldn't believe out of amusement, the character he was going to play, and the things they were going to have him say and do. Great actor, perfect for the role.
He’s a bad ass Actor! Played the part beautifully.
The perfect answer to "Winter is Coming"
The thing is, in that case, it takes ten years for those snows to melt
yeah, I was thinking just that XD
No matter if it takes years. "Winter does not last forever. Spring comes. Snows melt."
"Spring comes, walls melt".
Jon Snow ought to say that to the Night King "Surrender now Night King, winter does not last forever. Spring comes. Snows melt."
Ironically the King beyond the wall is the most trusted soldier of Marc Antony's Legions, Lucius Vorenus.
'Be assured, Cato, I do not see you.'
Delicious, _delicious_ irony there.
can you explain me the irony? i must be stupid but i don't get it XD
Cato says, 'Comprehend, woman: this meeting is invisible [i.e. secret].' The surface of Atia's reply is 'The secret's safe with me' but her real meaning is 'I despise you; seeing you is distasteful to me.' Hope that makes sense.
that's clear! thank you ;)
My pleasure :¬)
why was this show cancelled god damnit
This show was so well written. Pompey the Great wasn't ready for a war. Caesar knew it. Like a boxer Caesar came out swinging and caught Pompey off guard. Pompey was reeling on his back foot from the start. You can see it on his face here. If you have read the histories you will love this series. So much detail was added for history lovers.
If you think how high Pompejus standing before the conflict with Caesar was its kind of understandable. He was the biggest conqueror and hero figure to the people and the senate in Romes entire history. Had conquered more land than anyone. He was close to being godlike. For him to think he could fall was just impossible and lets not forget Caesars victory was decided by a brilliant scheeming maneuver. Even before the last battle Pompejus had the upper hand also in military power.
Caesar only had one legion in Cisalpine Gaul, it would have been impossible to invade Italy with that alone. Problem was that the Italian people started rallying to him and forming new legions :)
Pompeius had spent too much time around people like Cato at this point.
@@stsk1061 should have listened to Cicero
0:33 “invisible”≈”boys club”
“I do not see you”≈”idgaf, I’m not leaving”
Everyone is so well-cast here, and like in LOTR or GOT a lot of them have backgrounds in theatre. Doing multiple takes of one scene can't be the same as two hours in front of a live audience with no retakes. Cicero is particularly memorable to me, maybe as a combination of apparent weakness and inner strength - and because I admire the real-life character.
It's just one of those shows where it's hard to pick a favourite character,
+Peter K.
Good point , I have spent years thinking of a "weakest character " , even the "Slaves " are well cast in "Rome ".
I can never decide on who my favorite character is , Vorenus is the man you would want as Centurion of your Legion , his unswerving devotion to duty , morality , intelligence and courage , a natural leader .
Perfectly complemented by Titus Pullo , whose liberal interpretation of "morality " , fighting skills , and loyal devotion to Vorenus , make him such a like-able character .
Then Mark Anthony , who gets all the best lines and the prettiest girls .
My favorite scene is the "truce" between Anthony and Brutus , at the start of season 2
followed by Son of Hades (taught in all the best business schools , as the text book example of negotiation )
Then perhaps , Cicero's death scene , followed by Mark Anthony's , not forgetting Erastes Fulman 's send off ,
they all died well , they died Roman
Stuart Clark
Antony's such a jerkass but impossible to dislike because he's so funny at the same time.
I wouldn’t call characters in GOT shallow and of no background
@@Kingedwardiii2003 Yeah, and how did the last two seasons work out?
0:56 I loved Atia's "shy little girl" pose there. I know she's as evil as Satan himself, but you got to admit, that looked kind of cute. :D
Yep, she was smitten.
She's another "Wicked old harpy" -- Julius Caesar
@@Southeast_Asian_DevilI’m pretty sure that was Mark Anthony who said that.
In the end Caesar outsmarted them all by naming his grand nephew his heir. He knew Octavian would complete his “reforms.” I love how they show Octavian always in the background, observing, learning, analyzing.
I thought they portrait him as a little c*nt as Anthony called him in the show.
@@fridericusrex6289”with a pen” 😂
@@fridericusrex6289 The show portrayed Octavian as the genius that he was.
3:00 Best line by Antony! "Snows _always_ melt."
It's actually one of the best lines in the series. It kind of reminds me of "Winter is coming," and coincidentally they both speak of winter: one coming, one going.
+Gary Daniel Like old Cincinnatus.
"Che brutta figura" His italian is remarkable. What a great actor he is!
+Mattia Barbieri Suspending some disbelief that Romans spoke Italian...
Agent1W You're wrong, the Romans, when they spoke with people, said not equus but caballum (italian cavallo), not os but bucca (italian bocca), not edere but manducare (italian masticare) etc
+Artruis Joew "especially given that Roman elites spoke Greek"
While many of them probably were able to speak Greek, I very much doubt that they normally spoke Greek rather than Latin.
Artruis Joew Informal latin was very similar to modern italian, the name is "sermo". So the movie is corect.
They spoke greek.
Latin was seen as a vulgar language.
Gods james purefoy is a great actor
Antony is the king of threats
I assure you it is no threat.
Snows always melt, Caesar always wins
rideordie he spent his year as tribune vetoing everything in the Senate house and launching blood curdling attacks on Pompey.
@@vazquezb2011 so underrated comment right here.
What do you mean? He’s bit threatening anyone. He’s just reminding them of the facts of natural philosophy.
Even Charlton Heston would have loved this portrayal of Antony.
i see a lot of comments from you about rome, why dont you read some books about them. If u never read something about them i can recommend Plutarch (us). I think u wil definetly like him !!! and to begin i recommend: ceasar/alexander.
I always found the history of Rome to be very fascinating. HBO out did themselves with "Rome" even though they took many liberties.
I will look into your recommendations.
SimplyLimbo As far Anthony and Cicero, Philipicas are the best source of knowledge. First of all, Ph's are critical not sort of laudative, as usually happens if sb writes about a great persona and were written by Cicero who lived at the same time . Probably thanks to him Anthony is such a colorful character because Cicero did not choose the words, just wrote the worst possible about Anthony. And paid for that, of course.
Isabella H i got the against phillips in english translation. he downright insults him in it
*****
I agree with SimplyLimbo , read Plutarch , and his "Parallel Lives " where he draws comparisons between Great Romans and Greeks .
As an Introduction to the Classical world , you could start with Herodotus and the "Histories " , Then Thucydides and the retelling of the War between Athens and Sparta , Xenophon and the march of the 10000 , is aslo enjoyable as background , then on to Alexander the Great and Arrian .
You then have an appetite for Livy , Rome from the beginning , then the Punic Wars , culminating in "the War with Hannibal " , Caesar wrote some good books , namely the" Gallic War " .
Its a sheer joy , the Ancient World .
This show had one hell of an ensemble cast. So much talent.
At least Cicero has manners to thank Atia for using her house for the meeting.
In real life I’m pretty sure everyone but Cato was on board with Caesar having his one legion and province. But Cato spoke up and ruined it all.
It's true, things were pretty close to being resolved peacefully.
This scene is worth Shakespeare. Besides probably it might have been looking exactly like here. And showing the young Octavian interested in politics was such great idea to introduce him as clever and smart schemer not only just a future emperor .
Octavian was an anomaly,the more his grip tightened on the state the less he showed it off he was a riddle...like the sphinx he used in his signat ring.
A great pity that this show was cancelled!
The casting, the writing and acting - **outstanding!**
I could **easily** watch an hour of this series every night!
Please, HBO - **bring it back!** Let it grace our screens once more....... :)
True i watch GOT also but this was best
True! It was brilliantly written and the cast was stellar and compelling. HBO at that time didn’t want to spend such huge amount of money for a TV show. Also, at that time, although Rome had fair amount of viewers, people were more interested in other genres such as medical, mystery/crime, spy, so on. Historical was not the thing then. The history of Rome is so fascinating and it deserves it own brilliantly made TV show or movie.
Mark Antony: back from the dead!
You'll watch Velma and you'll like it
@@ideallyjekyl5200
This is, sadly, the truth of entertainment today.
Interesting note here: historically, Caesar was actually seeking to stand for election to consul in absentia at this time (as Pompey had done once before.) He had previously served as consul 10 years earlier and had spent the entire time since fighting the Gauls. He waited this long to seek the consulship again because by Roman law, one could only be a consul once every ten years. He intended to serve as consul again, help reform Rome legally as consul and then once again go to a province. When the Senate demanded he lay down his arms, he countered with an agreement to do so if Pompey did as well. This was well received by most, outside of Cato and the optimate consuls of the year The Senate then (illegally) demanded he simply lay down his arms. To protect himself, Caesar had Antony and another tribune make his proposals before the full Senate, where once again Cato and the consuls rejected them harshly, throwing both tribunes out of the Senate and keeping them from meeting the People's Assembly. Now, attacking the tribunes was not only sacrilegious, it was also punishable by death, so by attacking Caesar's tribunes, the optimates had themselves acted illegally in full view of the people, thus Caesar was able to start the civil war without guilt.
There is an interesting part about this "canditacy in absentia"-thing:
In Rome, you had to be present to get elected. Not only for presentation, but also because of safety-reasons (as we all know, you lose your office once you return to Rome). There are however options to do it in absentia.
Caesar asked for this, after serving his term as proconsul. But Pompey "forgot" to put him on the list, so Caesar couldn't get elected.
For Caesar this wasn't really new though, since he always had to fight against the Senate for his career. After his consulship, they tried to give him an office in Italy that basically was a glorified forest master, nothing more. So probably the least important office you could get as a former consul.
Illegally? Caesar made his whole career as Consul by acting illegally. He got where he was as governor by acting illegally. He attacked and slaughtered Gauls illegally. Caesar didn't just demand that Pompey step down, he demanded he stepped down before himself. Caesar was fully guilty of the crimes the Senate accused him of.
And if you want to talk about acting against the people, don't forget that the Populares (Caesar's faction) under Clodius started a gang warfare in Rome and attacked and disrupted the Senate. This was ended by Pompey which was the whole reason why Cato even tolerated him, despite their history.
@@hueylongdong347 And how was Caesar acting illegally? His co-consul attempted to make all government business illegal for religious reasons. With the Gauls, he was acting to protect Roman allies from being attacked and things just cascaded from there. Caesar offered that BOTH sides disarm to one legion, no comment about who was to disarm first.
As for Clodius, he acted on his own, and he was not someone that Caesar would have associated with after the Bona Dea scandal
@@ottokarl5427 Pompey as consul had written a law that stated that you couldn't be elected to office in absentia. The intent was to make Caesar open to prosecution when his command expired. After Caesar's immense victory at Alesia the Roman people celebrated him for months in the streets and when he asked for an exception to the law the senate didn't dare reject it. The conservatives tried another approach saying his second proconsular term expired when it was granted and wasn't counted from when the first expired. This would mean Caesar's command ended before he stood for election to consul. making his exception pointless.
And where do you get your information from??.... I'm guessing internet?? I suggest reading Non fiction books that are based on Facts..
Winter doesn't last forever. Spring comes , snows melt. SnowS ALWAYS melt.
- The perfect display of superiority of ROME over GOT and their winter, that is coming, hard and heavy;)
WhY are YOU typinG Like This!?
To be fair the winter in Rome lasts 3 months. The average winter in GoT is 3 years and the one that is coming is going to last at least twice that long if not changed by supernatural means by the end of Book 7. As for the show, once it left the source material the writing has been total shit.
Though as Caesar was the current Pontifex Maximus and hadn't reset the calendars during his Gallic Campaign the Pompeians had no real idea when the snows would actually form and melt at certain points. Of course Caesar used this to his advantage.
GOT proved you so much more right, lol.
"This quote contrasts that quote... therefore my show is superior to another show"
The fuck kind of logic is that? I prefer rome overall too (unless martin can pull off a satisfying ending with the books then we will see) but some of you tribalistic fanboys need to grow up and end this petty rivalry between two shows that should appeal to fans of both and were never in competition.
But can ROME main characters teleport and have their arcs of 7 seasons be of no value?
"tribune Antony if you please"... great stuff!
It's to be noted Caesar wanted 2 Legions and a Province, which was rejected. Cicero then put up the notion to Pompey and Anthony of one legion and one Province everyone agreed but Cato who said he'd only agree to a deal where Caesar would have no legions. Pretty much every historian agrees that Cato wouldn't honor//agree to any deal past exile or worse for Caesar from how he conducted himself and the resentment for embassments Cato had for Caesar.
As we all know, that did not went very well for cato, never defy ur best general, or the men who has the favor of the army.
@@Mago.- It ended rather horribly for Cato, but he is still to be admired for his tenacity and resistance to the type of corruption and evil so prevalent in government then. He believed in and defended Rome the republic, but in the end, Caesar won out, which spelled both the end of Cato and the republic. We would do well to support such moral strength when it is found in the present day and when faced with evil men who seek to take all power for themselves.
Lentulus did not agree with the term too and Lentulus was a cousin of Caesar. Lentulus was also Julius Caesar before being adopted.
@@whiteknightcat Except Caesar wasn't the end of the Republic, nor was he planning to be. Here's how things would have gone if Caesar had his way. First, assuming negotiations worked after the Gallic Wars, he would have been reelected consul, introduced more reforms like in his first term, been assigned a province near the Parthians, fought them, returned ten years later as consul for a third time and retired.
Second, if he hadn't been assassinated, he would have remained dictator for a few months before going to war with the Parthians and then retiring. Gaius Julius Caesar believed in the Republic, but he also saw many flaws in it and wanted to fix those flaws. It wasn't Julius Caesar who doomed the Republic, but the so-called Liberators. By making Caesar a martyr, they doomed the Republic because Octavian was the real threat.
@@DavidbarZeus1 You are being extremely generous with your interpretation of Caesar's motives. There is every indication that he wanted a crown and claiming that he "loved the republic" when his efforts had shattered all of its institutions beyond repair is bold. Ultimately his reforms were a great help to Rome in both the short and long term (Julius Caesar was a genius after all) but he did more than any other single person to destroy the roman republic and had he not been assassinated he would either have died on campaign or returned to Rome as an emperor.
Look at the mis-en-scene here, beautiful, a thousand renaissance paintings rolled into one authentic reenactment.
"Be assured, Cato. I do not see you."
The four most important words on any script of this show: Purefoy, Walker, Hinds, Stevenson
McKidd~
"... Spring comes, snows melt ...
That's a THREAT !!
I assure you it is no threat. Snows ... ALWAYS ... melt "
Winter IS coming ! But snows always melt.
And it takes ten years
That was a really smart reply: "It's not a threat, it will be a fact!"
Such an amazing show. A show way before it’s time. If Rome was made today it would have 8 seasons and be the masterpiece it was always slated to be!
My feelings exactly, I'm just thankful we have these two magnificent seasons.
It was a bit much for American tastes.
Sad fact, HBO ROME was originally written as 5 seasons, but a fire destroyed a square mile of the Egpytian quarter during the filming of season 1. The vast majority of the built up, decorated, plumbed in buildings and palaces adorned with monuments and frescos were burned to the ground. All that remained save for some outlying areas was a large part of the Royal Palace used in season 2. The fire was so devastating and costly that despite ROME being at the time HBO's flagship show with a massive viewerbase they cancelled after only 2 seasons.
The original planned seasons 2 and 3 were to be centered around Egpyt and the War between Rome under Octavian and Egpyt under Anthony and Cleopatra.
Season 4 was to take place during the reign of Octavian as the 1st Emperor of Rome as Augustus and be centered around Germania, with Pullo and Vorenus surviving the battle of the Teutoburg forest.
Season 5 was to be centered around Judea and the Jewish Revolt and the coming of Yeshua of Nazareth.
Source - episodic commentary and text features on the ROME special anniversary edition blu ray.
Bruno Heller had 5 seasons in mind, but mid-way through writing season 2 he found out it was going to end there, so he had to rush and compress.
“And what should be you punishment Pompey, for betraying a friend”. Such a great line.
3:28 the way it pans to each person during the tense silence is so well done
This series is the pinnacle of television. It even outshines the fabled 1970s series "I, Claudius"
Not sure about that. Different kind of show. Loved both of them.
This one had the most interesting period to deal with.
But the cast of I Claudius......even get to see Brian Blessed acting quietly 😅..
Pity they cancelled this series. I wouldv'e liked to see it go all the way to the fall of Constantinople.
@LegoGuy87 It will turn from HBO's Rome to HBO's Greece or HBO's Italy if they stay in Rome.
That would be a sad ending
It was contempled to bring the nativity and Jesuschrist in the third season, at least that was the rumor.
@@DrakariZargon Good thing that there was no season 3 then.. the Roman haven't heard of Jesus at all. It was just another cult among dozen others popping up at their border regions.
In reality they almost agreed to 1 legion and 1 province but Cato wanted none of it.. he hated Caesar and didn't want him to get away with his crimes (Pompey was also guilty and knew it so he mostly stayed quiet during the whole ordeal(lasted 3 years) before surrounding himself with the likes of Cato). Cato is Brutus uncle and the brother of Servilia.
Hilarious that Pompey executed Brutus' father so that relationship was never great.
I never caught that. Thanks
Always felt Cato did nothing but complain and make trouble, insuring chaos over order. Truly a despicable man.
Cato was really snapping at everyone in this
love how he always wore his toga old school though
The look on Pompey’s face when Cicero says “Does not the dying serpent bite deepest.”
"I assure you is no threat, snow *always melt* "
I love everythinh about that line
The text
The subtext
The delivery
The fatality behind it
And the factuality that snow does indeed melt
It's quite poetic too!
It's like Antony is implying Ceasar is a force of nature which would be as foolish to resist as the changing of the seasons.
He doesn't make threats he makes guarantees
@@a.wenger3964
There's also the plain fact that in the ancient world Spring and Summer were the seasons of war, while it was thought rather dangerous to fight in Winter or Autumn.
@@80ki68 Yeah, a killer line like this works on so many differnet levels!
"Snows. Always. Melt." Three words, yet they speak volumes. What a great show this was.
Also Attia with the "I do not see you." line, only Attia could veil an insult inside an assurance.
1:47 the REAL leader is listening in.
his rise to the top was unforseen,highly underestimated Octavian was.
I always thought they did an excellent job showing Octavian as extremely intelligent. He's also able to think on a large scale -- for example, with borrowing money and giving it to the plebs. Atia and Antony, with narrower minds, just see him wasting cash. Octavian understands he's buying an empire.
Great show.
Rhian Hunt I thought a great hint at that aswell was his attitude to the missing gold,he wasn't bothered, he knew the empire was full of cash cows!
Octavian and Marc Antony were well-developed character in this series. At first, he is a weak, scrawny, low testosterone nerd. But his studies pay off and so does his observations of other peoples' failures. Octavian is the geek type-B that everyone makes fun of in high school, but ends up at the top of the socio-economic hierarchy because he is highly intelligent and very conscientious.
Marc Antony, on the other hand, was the strong, confident alpha-male jock...who ultimately ends up losing because his foolish arrogance.
the biggest plot twist in actual history. who created Pax Romana, relative peace and minimal expansion experienced by the Roman Empire for approximately 206 years. all hail the Emperor Augustus!
Anthony had the charisma of a vulgar beast.
One huge mistake. This is Octavians mother. A noble Roman woman who did not spend her time in Rome in bed with Anthony. There was no relationship between the two AT ALL. The Octavii were from a country town Velletri. Octavian's father died young but was a junior Senator. Big major faux pas on behalf of the writers. Atia was not a whore! Those scene with Timon were a disgrace. If Octavian were here heads would roll off a few writers.
Yeah, not historically accurate, but it comes with a drama show.
They weren't trying to be historically factual with the internal weavings of the show,..
It's like a parallel universe but the historical Outline reaches the same conclusion.
Most people understand this without it being mentioned ,..Most people ; (
This is NOT a documentary.. Stop ruining everybody's Good Time PLEASE~
this show was outrageous good when it was one. I'm glad it was only two season. it made perfect sense to end it how it did. Rewatching this takes me back to my youth, 19-20 yr's old. Love James Purefoy.
"The man's term ends in 2 weeks"
"We say 6 months"
Fun Fact: As Pontifex Maximus, Caesar was in charge of resetting the calendar every few months but because he was away in Gaul for so long it was totally skewed.
He used the skewed calendar to his advantage by arguing his term ended later than it should.
No he didn't. When Caesar got his proconsulship extended by 5 years in 55 bc. It was understood it would begin when his first term expired but the Boni noticed that the law written didn't specify a date so the conservatives argued that it started when the law was written and thus would expire 50 bc, before Caesar could run for consul in 49 bc in absentia while holding imperium, immune from prosecution.
I feel like Helen of Troy!!
Oh I just love the topical cultural references in this show.
James Purefoy is one kick-ass actor. I wish they'd get him to join the Game of Thrones cast, too!
The actor who plays Atia is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen...
Polly Walker. Yum. She was also in the one-season nBSG prequel 'Caprica' I believe.
She was the "voice" of Sarjoka in "John Carter"...
God Marc Anthony was such a good character and played fantastically by James
Caesar had his Governorship of Gaul extended by 5 years at the Luca conference. Pompey was there as was Crassus. Caesar’s original term was 5 years 58-53, but Caesar wanted it extended by 5 so he can be eligible for Consul in 49 BCE and would be able to continue his legal immunity.
One of the greatest series of all time
The writing and acting in this show was so freaking amazing. Mark Antony will always remain my favourite TV character!
This scene is awesome. It just wasnt long enough.
This scene is so good :-)
Apart from the brilliant "Snows. always. melt"-line (3:08), I am especially beguiled by Attia's response to Anthony's flattery at 0:45 --- that slight crinkling of the nose in delight is a stroke of acting genius.
Let me quote the mighty internet:
"Nose crinkling is an involuntary response to certain smells, but it can also be a way to show distaste for something. When people see something they don’t like, their natural reaction is to wrinkle their noses in disgust. This is because the brain is trying to protect itself from potentially harmful smells.
Having said that, we can also see the crinkled noise as a positive when flirting with people. Women will often use the crinkled noise to show a sign of affection."
This is one of the few great scenes which sticks closely to historical truth. thanks for posting
Meh, from what I saw on Historia Civilis, Pompey and the others were more willing to accept a deal before Cato spoiled it
@@maxpower789z Historia Civilis is wrong on many occasions.
@@maxpower789z Yeah, Pompey and the moderates WERE more willing to make a deal, but with Cato and the optimates, it wasn't possible
„I feel like Helen of Troy” LOL, love this remark XD.
Good. GOLLY the dialogue is fantastic! I love this show!
This is the most handsome Antony ever and most like I would imagine his demeanor.
0:14 Mark Anthony clearly did not take the drink after the meeting
"I feel like Helen of Troy"
I'd definitely fight a war for a life of nights with her.
Atia
Wow! No words to say, other then he exactly nailed down the character of the Marc Antony I have always had in my head. Also I love his character progression. This scene is one of his first main ones in the series. By comparing this early scene with one of his later ones, he acts way more immature and younger in this one. That's what I love about HBO Rome, the writing is spot on! Characters well flushed out, Historical accuracy at a perfect balance of Hollywood vs Facts. Truly a gem among Series
btw irl Pompy cicero and one of the consols acepted ceasars terms but cato and the other consol rejected them
This gentleman, is how you OWN a group of ppl.
"Be sure Cato, I do not see you"
I still don't know if she wants to be assuring or if she just dissed him for being so unimportant/not good looking/interesting that she just pretends he isn't there...
Octavian is watching from the sidelines and realizes that he might have to deal with men like Cato and Scipio in the future.
blathering you say?
Lol I've always loved that line
What a Show. I remember when HBO had free promo viewing on Cable and I had this Show recorded on my DVR. Sweet nostalgia.
Fun fact: All those in the meeting will be dead by the time everything settles down.
Swaminathan Balakrishnan minus Atia
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw Historically her as well, but of natural causes.
"Blathering, you say".. lol
LMAO 😂
"Winter does not last forever! Spring comes. Snows melt." "..I assure you. Snows always melt."
Me shivering in Alaska*: F*** you, Antony.🥶
Unfortunately, Mark Anthony's end did not match up to the hubris displayed here.
enaremco Its called character development. I think about 18 years must have passed from this scene to his death, he must have been 34-35 years for this scene and maybe a 52-53 year old man when he died. So yeah, he changed a lot because he became a little bit more "mature".
Proof the Romans played Texas No-Limit Holdem at 3:37
This is my all favorite scean from any show. Antony is so good at flirting making treat and blackmail or just don't giving a shit.
And naillng stuff and hand at the senat door.
If only they added the fact that many of the Gauls Caesar was slaghtering were backed and under the protection of other Romans. The duality angle would had made this show better
It really seems weird that Rome seems to "care" about foreigners. When in reality, Caesar exaggerated his kill count because that was what people back at home wanted to read.
Exactly think Sand Creek Massacre in the USA. but thousands of times over
I will always love how Antony is the only one who can charm the biggest snake the screen ever seen, Atia.
I am still waiting to drop that line into a serious negotiation
"And ?" , "winter does not last forever , spring comes , Snow melts "
"thats a threat ! "
"thats no threat "
"Snow ALWAYS melts "
loved this series epic cast flawless casting
Cicero wrote how he always insisted to be called by his titles at all times.. “TRIBUNE Antony😎”.
Great knowledgeable writing.
Irl pompey and cicero accepted this deal but Cato fucked it up
Great scene. I really like it. However, the actual meeting it is based on (and which actually took place in Pompey's house) was more interesting. This one makes it look that Caesar had an all-or-nothing offer. (Give me Illyria and a legion or else...) In fact, he wanted more to start with, but he gave leeway to Antony to negotiate it down to a more modest deal. And leading conservatives (Pompey, Cicero) were ready to strike that deal. But Cato flipped out and berated his allies for being so soft. He (together with the one of the consuls for the year, Lentulus Crus) insisted on leaving Caesar with no legions at all. So, the conservatives backed out. With that, their best chance of averting the civil war was gone. I guess the scriptwriters changed the story because they wanted to show Pompey as tragically complacent. There is something to that. Apparently, Pompey could not imagine that someone like Caesar could best him in battle. We remember him primarily for his spectacular defeat at Pharsalus and his ignominious death in Egypt. But at this point in time, he was a staggeringly successful general - with much more in terms of stellar achievements than Caesar. He also had broader political support in Rome, a formidable army in Hispania, and a string of staunch allies among client kings in the East.
Not to mention vastly greater personal wealth (at least until Caesar conquered Gaul) and an army of inherited clients, as well as the army of personal clients--including, as you said, many Eastern kings.
Pompey the Great had an interesting life, but my god, could he be feckless and vain (from what I have read, anyway.)
I love how Rome portrays Cato accurately. He despised Ceaser for many reasons. One reason was probably because Ceaser had a fling with Cato's sister or niece kinda forgot.
James Purfoy is such a chad in this series.
"That's a threat!"
"Nah...all snow melts."
Literally moments later...
"Ceasar will take ALL MEASURES REQUIRED..."
Now, THAT is the threat.
Sigh...i need a drink. Gotta love Antony
"Command of a province. So he will have legal immunity. And so that none of you rascals can go dragging him through the courts."
Well that line sounds... relevant, in light of recent events.
Fun fact: it is from Rome that the idea of holding office immunizing you from prosecution originates.
Bro our legal system comes from Rome.
That Roman rizz, tho
"Ohhh, gods, your beauty is painful! You are the crucifix of Venus! Let me die in your arms."
Many people do not realize that this conversation, the whole story, actually, took place in New Jersey, back in... '47, I believe, AFTER the War. It was in Bergen county, hard by Ramsey. You're welcome. 😮😅😅😅
"Is that a threat?" Me: No. That's a promise.
God i never thought a line such as.... snow always melt. could be so threatening xD
Any tv series with such great acting and rich dialogue ?
Deadwood
Atia from this show actually resembles Fulvia, Anthony's third wife who single handly raised 8 Legieons for him.
"Blathering you say.." XD
Pompey was great planner and always chose each step carefully before leaping unknown. He also was respected abroad cause he didnt carry himself with this aura of superity, i say he knew more kings and rulers personally than Caesar. He looked things and possible outcomes, weighed options, chose best approach and put his determination to it. No feelings. He wasnt great on one specific skill but he wasnt stupid. The pirate problem he looked outside the box, maybe it was just that he allways seemed to take the right steps and go from win to win. If he made decisions like this even once, personally insulted and not thinking straight, he made an error. Caesar was better than him in grabbing victories when weaker and it allways came as suprise. If Pompey could maintain, forget word... Were u allways dictate the next move and trusted his skills, he really would have equal chances. Some say he was average with amazing luck, but he prospered under Sulla (must be a tight rope to walk for anyone), was go-to general for many years,2x triumphant. It is true that he made few terrible decisions and thats were his luck came in. He wasnt yet making it in decisive battle. But he one time would have been dictator, no one to challenge him, all he had to do was make it public and it would have been his, for some reason he let it pass.
Pompey was never in a position to take Rome. When he returned at the height of his power (after the second triumph), he couldn't even get his reforms through. The senate blocked him completly, because he was too far off in terms of the cursus honorum. It was this blockade that led to the formation of the first Triumphvirate between Pompey, Crassus and Caesar.
And though it wasn't official, he actually kind of was dictator, tasked with the defence of the republic against Caesar.
It’s amazing how the writers correctly portrayed formations and tactics in war, while also having engaging dialogue in political scenes.
Imagine if Pompey defeated Caesar, became dictator set asides the republic, established the empire. His Surname will become the title of Emperors. The Emperors of Russia, and Germany will be called differently.
"Caesar has many more legions than the 13th."
"On the far side of the Alps."
"Spring comes. Snows melt."
"That's a threat!"
"I assure you, it is no threat. Snows. Always. Melt."
Idk what's better, the writing or the acting, this bit is so funny yet dramatic lol
0:31 Comprehend woman! Cato makes me laugh
Antony's beautiful brown eyes!!!
The way Mark Anthony looks at Cato. You can see it in his face he is thinking: I could kill this lout in about 2 seconds.