Freewing Hornet Maiden Flights & Maximum Performance Setup
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
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I finally got a chance to fly the F/A-18C. @EscapeLifesGravity flies this on the @VirtualBlueAngels team as the #5 Hornet, so I had to get one to feel like I'm part of the club. The jet is absolutely the most difficult airplane I've ever flown. It feels stable yet completely unstable throughout a lot of its flight envelope. Don't get this jet until you're really confident in your skills.
When you do get the jet, though, be sure to pick up a BlueFire or TrueFire afterburner for it. Larry's afterburners look amazing - brighter than what you can get elsewhere, and cheaper too:
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IX12/20 Setup File:
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Receivers:
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Servos I use:
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0:00 Introduction & Preflight
1:27 Takeoff w/ 5280 RC TrueFire ABs
2:00 Roll Rate
2:34 Full Span Flap Initial Test
2:48 Loop Potential
3:10 Turbulent Approach Testing
4:30 Turbulent Landing
4:50 Post-flight Thoughts
5:30 Ground-handling
5:58 5280RC Callout
6:34 Takeoff
7:12 Second Full Span Flap Test
7:44 CG Check (Nose Heavy)
8:11 Go-around
8:30 Knife Edge
9:00 Touch & Go
9:21 Knife Edge
9:51 Landing
10:05 Nosewheel Mix Demo, Post-Flight
11:03 Takeoff, Expo Changes (95% Roll/Pitch)
11:48 Really Odd Flat Spin
12:18 Vertical, Slight Tumble
12:50 CG Check (Nose Heavy)
13:00 @Airguardian Callout, Go-around
13:42 Strong Turbulence, Go-around
14:30 Landing Planning
15:00 Half-flap Landing
15:20 Post-flight Thoughts
16:08 3/4 Flaps Deployed - FS Flap Mix Mistake
17:18 Full Speed Pass, Vertical
17:45 High Alpha Mix Testing
18:18 Accidental Cobra, Alpha Mix Test
19:15 Asymmetric Lift (Not Quite FS Flaps)
21:20 No Flap Landing, Post-flight Thoughts
22:30 Half Loop Roll, Close Pass
22:56 Knife Edge
24:10 No Flap Landing, Post-flight Thoughts
25:00 Full Span Flap Fix, CG Adjust
25:50 Full Span Flap Takeoff
26:25 FS Flap Landing, Flipped Landing
26:56 Post-flip Damage Inspection
27:55 FS Flap Takeoff
28:35 Go-around, Vertical
29:31 FS Flap T&G
30:15 Minimum Radius Turn
31:05 Go-around
31:47 Landing
31:58 Near-Wreck (Fast Reflexes)
32:25 Post-flight Thoughts
33:30 Setup Overview
34:48 Blue Box / Ribbon Cables Removal
36:30 1950kv FMS Motor w/ Avian 130a ESC
37:10 Battery Placement / CG
37:50 Elevon Wing Type, Dual Rudder
38:10 Physical Wiring Changes Necessary
39:13 Rates / Expo
40:02 Servo Travel
43:10 Elevon to Aileron Mixing
43:58 Nosewheel Mixing (Deadzoned)
46:33 Nosewheel Trim Mixing
47:20 Full Span Flap Mixes
50:48 Gear Lock Mix
51:36 Full Span Flap Mixes
52:45 Toed-in Rudder Mixing (Takeoff)
54:20 Flaps Auto (High-G Flap Mixing)
55:30 Alpha Mixes
56:52 Forward Programming, Aero Theory
1:00:00 FCS Mixing
1:03:22 Post-setup Thoughts
Freewing F/A-18C 90mm Maiden Flight w/ FMS 1950kv Motor, Radio & Physical Maximum Performance Setup - Розваги
Excellent and very detailed and informative content. I’ve never sat watching the entire video before on UA-cam but as an owner of a F-18c 90mm from Freewing, this is worth every minute. Thank you for going over the channel setups on each mix and explaining the functions of why. Definitely getting the FMS motor and upgrading the servos and modifying the wiring, just as you have it set up. My skills are beginners EDF ( 70mm Viper) for now but the Blue Angels F-18C is definitely one plane I will enjoy flying once I gain more experience and confidence, and this video has been saved for future reference once I’m ready. Well done!!
These are the kinds of comments I put the effort into this channel to see. If I just wanted to make a channel about how well I fly, I could've just posted nothing but videos of me doing neat stuff and having people talk about me. This hobby isn't just about me, though, it's about everyone. Sharing knowledge and information - pushing airframes to their limits so you guys can see what they can do - and what you can do, too.
I will *strongly* recommend that you put a lot of flight hours into a variety of jets before tackling this one - the Viper 70mm is a great jet to learn on but this jet is definitely *not* a beginner-level jet. I'd argue it's beyond advanced. You'll know what I mean the moment you put the flaps down and the turbulent airflow starts hitting the stabilators. It'll become a completely different aircraft. It also does not tolerate a CG outside of a certain range - @Airguardian can tell you all about this. I'll actually ping him on FB Messenger and see if he can explain here better than I can.
If you're ready for it, though, please do consider using the links in the description - it doesn't cost you anything and kicks back a small commission to me to help fund my craziness. When you do fly it, let me know. I would love to see what you do with it.
Definitely will take your advice on the experience part. It’s content like this that helps beginners like me understand the time and effort required to slowly move up to this level of flying and patiently understand the different mixes, and apply them to this jet and why they’re worth the extra time to setup and use. The flying skills and knowledge (thru time) will one day merge and it will all click in my head. Thanks!
Really appreciate the donation, my man. You're the first person who's done so. ❤️
Definitely take it slow. The Viper 70 is a great jet to learn on *AND* you can set it up similar to the F/A-18, too. Mine is set up just like my Viper 90, with full span flaps for takeoff and crow for landing. Crow takes some technique to land with, so it's probably better just to land without it, but I'm trying to figure out what the best settings for it are. I also managed to get it to high alpha - nowhere near as good as the 90mm can with my mixing, but still feasible with some mix adjustments necessary. The next upload will be the Viper 70 and its setup.
@@DiamondT9 Yo, hi there!
Regarding the CG issue that Jon mentions, the F-18 is a pretty tricky jet to fly, and one of the weird things that it does is that if you try to shift CG to achieve neutral balance (typically ideal for best aerobatic and efficient flight performance) the jet becomes laterally unstable before it becomes longitudinally unstable. That is, jets usually become 'tail-heavy' (unstable) in the pitch axis first. this one doesn't, as it first gets super slippery in yaw and roll axis. That's quite unexpected and can surprise a few. In that regard, the factory recommended CG (88mm if I recall correctly) is too nose heavy but if you venture too far aft, you will run into uncommon stability problems. I recommend starting with 100-105mm and potentially build your way back up to 110mm but no more UNLESS you use a gyro. If you use a gyro you may be able to push the CG even further aft and keep the stability in check 'artificially' through gyro use. That's probably not what you should be doing as a newbie though, but keep it in mind for the day you decide to get the Hornet! :)
Hope that helps!
@@RC4ever Thanks for the added information on different set CG placements and the resulting flight characteristics. I appreciate all the details given, big and small because this will help when that time comes!
Thank you!!!
Love the videos, thank Tony too for sharing this bird and allowing Jon without the H to give this demonstration and tutorial...
Keep up the great videos 👍
Nice flights, easy to wring it out Jon.
I'll really put this jet through its paces soon - just gotta wait until Wednesday to fly again. I refuse to get up in winds like this on this airframe ever again.
Great job, thank you.
Great video, and thorough explanation while flying which isn't easy with this bird. I agree this is one of the more difficult jets to fly because you have to almost instinctually be able to correct things as you learn to anticipate it's unique behavior. I'm so glad you showed the performance of the rudder's tow-in. I have a long smooth runway and this without your rudder mix it will scream down for 400+ feet before you have to apply a decent amount of elevator to create separation. Using the stock setup, I end up applying landing flaps only when I'm on final and don't anticipate making any large corrections. It sets up a nice glide angle, but isn't super forgiving if you have to bail out. Again, fantastic content, just subscribed.
Hey man, thanks for checking out my channel. I do go over the setup for how I got everything to work, so feel free to check that out too. If you have an IX20 or an IX12, the setup file is posted to my GDrive via tinyurl.com/SynRCSetupFiles for ease-of-use.
It really is a challenging aircraft. Now that the shakedown is done with and I've thoroughly tested it, I plan to bring it back out tomorrow with my cameraman and get some nice footage of it - and hopefully shoot a landing tutorial as well.
They are really spraying your skies there.
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I love this F/A-18 Hornet, and this is next on my list, having seen the Blue Angels yesterday here at Miramar. The Blue Angels have been using the F/A-18 Hornet since 1985 in their annual air show here at the San Diego MCAS Miramar 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing. This Hornet is amazing when seen scale in action it will blow your aeronautic mind seeing all 4 in the diamond formation(s) 18" between all 4 wing-to-wing at a silky-smooth 400mph in perfection.
Also, not in inject any negativity, but at 26:48 not only is your Hornet a little embarrassed, but your poor little runway is hurting. I used to fly at a rc club that had thin gravel for a runway, but the airspace was great.
It's what we've got to work with. We're not complaining, it is free pavement after all.
I admire your enthusiasm, always. 🙂@@TwoBrosRC
Very interesting watching you sort out the flying characteristics.
Thanks.
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Would love this video to show you sorting out a stock model running a 5000.
Without any upgrades.🧐
We don't do stock Freewing models.
❤ It give me the he be gees just watching you😬it’s so cool though 👍
Hey Jon really like your vids, with that being said you"ve made a lot of changes to the jet so i don"t know how it flies if you don"t fly it by the book plus your flying in 15 to 20 plus mph winds which will make it very unstable, a lot of vids are showing that jet flying very well.
I don't fly models stock - this channel isn't about that. There's plenty of other channels where you can see a pure stock setup. You're hopefully coming here to see what models can really do. I'll be bringing this jet out again this coming Wednesday since the forecast is low winds. We'll see how it performs!
I go nuts too and get the shakes when I have close calls or bad experiences.
Your skills are amazing. I used to think I’d like one of those planes, but not after seeing what a snake it is.
To be fair, some of the issues it has are ones I introduced by advanced mixing. Though I don't see why anyone would want to fly an F/A-18 that didn't have a similar control setup to the full scale.
I love EDF jets. The penalty of using batteries that provide enough continuous power means building light. The current solution, foamies presents technical issues. Although the plane's total weight is lower, the sacrifices are considerable to note. Foam loosens up, glue joints begin to fail, etc. , etc. , etc.... The problem with EPO and EPS foam construction is that it does not hold up over time. It is also less serviceable. Most reviewers won't admit these items to the public, they don't want to discourage a possible sponsor in the manufacturer. I've been modeling since 1970, and R/C since 1979. I've built, designed, modified, and flown these planes myself. The cost of foam is pride. The landing gear and doors are a place to start my argument; Has anyone who owns a foam jet had issues with landing gear mounts pulling out of the foam? What about getting the doors to sequence reliably?
We've flown a couple of foam models over 400 times each and never saw any structural weakening from flight stresses, and we stress ours heavily. Landing gear is another story. That's a common issue and can usually be resolved by reinforcement with Gorilla Glue. Foam is a bit more resilient than you're giving it credit for. As far as sequencing goes, that's not a foam model problem. That's a manufacturer problem, or a setup problem on your end.
@@TwoBrosRC Point I'm trying to make missed. Foam is easy to mold, and comes with a high price tag, and with that price, I'm simply warning other modelers that there are hidden issues that the price doesn't include. Composites are much more resilient and cost the same. I'm warning modelers about foam, and its cheapness.
THAT 'maiden shake' i get EVERY time i put anything up! BUT, i quit flying with safe/as3x Feb 2021. So i have zero help if something goes wrong. Luckily, ive only had 2 mishaps. (Motor quit on a wood profile plane, reversed ailerons on a V1 2.1 CZ Cessna 150 that was right on the preflight 🤔🤷🤯!)
U learn fast without the gyro help! 🛫 Now, to disable the umx gyro. 😳🤔🤓✈️
You couldn't catch me flying in winds like this without stabilization. Just isn't gonna happen haha
So your using the horizontal stab as your ailerons instead of just elevator i see? And strictly using the ailerons as flaps right? for landings and take offs. Or did i see you use ailerons once in the air after flaps up? I have a Freewing Super Scorpion jet which by size is close to same size. Rudders, Elevators, Ailerons look very similar. I've yet to fly mine Motion RC pilot Mike set his up like mine. Your set ups are like wow crazy looking but very interesting. Didn't know that both rudders in help with lift. mixing is a must it seems.
Check the setup at the end - I go over all the setup-related info. Long story short, ailerons work as ailerons throughout the flight envelope. They do droop as flaps, though, when commanded via switch F position 1. Full scale F/A-18s use toed-in rudders to get the arse to rotate down and push the nose up. This is largely because of the gear design but some of that carries over to the model.
Hi Jon,
I’m just a beginner you’re videos help I’ve got a pitts can you please share more videos of your pitts and how to land it properly 😅👍 any tips
Can you get the pitts th hover?
Hi John! I actually don't land that model very well on pavement, but I can hover it decently.
Jon do you have a tutorial or plans for that awesome horizontal plane rack. Gonna need to build one. Just bought the 80mm f16 TB after watching your video pulling off a cobra with the 80mm falcon
My wife built it just using PVC pipes. It's not difficult to figure out how to make, it's just time consuming to hacksaw all of the pipe to fit.
Nice Video
I got myself a Freewing Stinger 64 hp 4s, my goal is to practice on that an then get myself an F-16 or 18 too.
You think that a gyro would be a solid investment to begin flying it?
We always recommend flying with a gyro. Most full scale fighter jets use one. We haven't heard any compelling reason not to use something that objectively improves how a model flies.
Would you recommend take off rudder toe in on a grass strip? Also what FMS motor/fan?
We used the 1950kv motor via bit.ly/FMS1950kv - and rudder toe-in on grass might help, but probably isn't necessary.
Jon I have a question on the absolute travel. On the nx8 when I'm adjusting the LEL absolute travel which is on aux2, the numbers for aux 3 change, however it is working to limit the travel on LEL although the numbers are reflected on aux 3 which is my flight mode. Adjusting aux3s absolute travel, affects the numbers on aux2. Did you encounter this issue?
Nope, can't say we did. Check your channel assignments and ensure that they're in order.
Hi want to say thank you for helping me. I have the freewing f18 blue angels and it crashed on my maiden with it flying barely responsive for like 2 minutes and found out the blue box falted and have a problem with one elevator servo. Bypassed blue box for flight controls but now have the stock elevator servo messing up. What elevator servos should I use, or are the stock onse fine?
Hitec d85s
Jon what's the advantage of using full span flaps? Are you using it more so for scale realism? Anything to keep in mind while landing in full span flaps?
It's true to scale, that's mostly the reason for it. We posted a tutorial on landing with them: ua-cam.com/video/ykecDleWc3o/v-deo.html
So did you use the 90mm 12 blade 3670-kv1950 motor from fms? If not, could you please attach a link to this of exactly what you used?
That's the one.
Thank you.@@TwoBrosRC
hi, could you tell me the elevator flap mix, how many degrees does the elevator set, how should it descend forwards or backwards? Thank you
All of the info is in the vid.
Which hole did you put the rudders on the servo arms? I had to move mine to be second from the tip of the arm.
We don't have the jet anymore, so we're unable to confirm.
@@TwoBrosRC what happened??
Beautiful plane , you make it look easy to fly , but all Iv heard was it’s hard to fly , what makes it bad to fly ?
It's weird - hard to describe. It feels very stable while flying until the flaps deploy. I covered this in the setup under the "aero theory" section - but the TL;DW is that the flaps are so huge that they blank out the stabilators a bit and the airflow becomes turbulent flowing over them. You feel it when you bring it in to approach. It's quite unlike anything else I've flown.
@@Bill14886 Thanks Bill! Always look forward to reading your take on a vid.
Hey Jon,
I am considering purchasing an F-18 model aircraft and am torn between the Freewing and Eflite versions. I would appreciate your expert opinion on which model would be the better choice. Specifically, I am concerned about the gear design on the Freewing model, which seems to be different from the Eflite version. While the gear on the Eflite model appears to be more refined, I am unsure if this difference is a significant enough factor to outweigh the potential advantages of the Freewing model. From a performance standpoint, are there any notable differences between the two models that would impact my flying experience? Any guidance you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
FW 90mm is the correct choice. There's no reason to pick anything else. The 80mm is objectively worse in every way it's possible to be worse.
@@TwoBrosRC Thank you i will use your affiliated links to buy this plane, should i buy the arf or the pnp? Love your vids keep up the good work!
We don't work with MotionRC so there's no affiliate system to help us out there - sorry! Get the PnP airframe, it's a better value overall.
I must have missed it. But how do I get toe integrated with the flaps to make more scale to the actual F-18
It's covered in the setup section at the end of the vid.
ciao,potresti dirmi il mix flap+ elevatore, quanti gradi si imposta l'elevatore, ,come deve scendere in avanti ,o indietro? grazie
All the info is in the vid.
congratulations, I saw the whole explanation of the Mixes, I got confused, too many mixes. I just wanted to ask you for two Mixes, using flaps + elevator I°) for take-off, II°) landing, can you please write it down? thanks bye
All the info is in the vid, m8. We unfortunately don't have time to provide individual mix guides for every person who asks - sorry!
@@TwoBrosRC ok ,io volevo solo sapere se' con i Flap al decollo è in atterraggio l'elevatore deve andare in giù dalla parte di dietro ,si ,o no?
ok, I just wanted to know if during takeoff and landing with flaps, the elevator must go down from the rear, yes or no?
Does it take time getting used to flying with tailerons ? Thinking of getting an 8ch for mine
Not really. If you use expo it'll soften the roll out and make it easier to work with.
@@TwoBrosRC besides additional roll authority, is there any other advantage to taileron setup on this bird?
@@EDF_FANatic You can stabilize them in roll too which aids with low speed stall recovery.
@Two Brothers Radio Control thanks, sounds like this bird NEEDs tailerons. Would the as3x work on the taileron stabs on roll axis, if I follow the aileron to taileron mix as you've done?
I’m using a Nx10 and the ispm file isn’t showing. Actually none of them are. Only the spm files. NX systems should read both formats. What am I missing
No idea what to tell you.
I try to import your set up to my iX20 transmitter and got the error: "File Parsing Error... Object reference not set to an instance of an object /n/storage/8AA5-1800/007_F_A-18C_Hornet_90mm.ispm"
Odd, try posting about this on the RCGroups IX20 thread: www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3351485-Spektrum-iX20/page450
Out of all the edf jets that you've flown which one sounds the best or the most turbine like?
Viper 90 for sure.
@@TwoBrosRC Really? I thought you would have said the Eflite 80mm F16 or maybe the Freewing 90mm Venom.
@@burlingtonfilms The F-16 80mm sounds good but it has nothing on the sound that the Viper 90 makes. Just like the 70, it has a fantastic sound because of a lack of cheater holes. Most of what you hear is the air flowing through it rather than the whine of the motor. Never flown the other plane you mentioned.
@@TwoBrosRC So the 80mm F16 only sounds good because of the cheater vents?
@@burlingtonfilms It sounds good because it's a 12b EDF. It would sound better *without* cheater holes. It wouldn't perform well though, the intake is too small.
Is this moel still available?
Should be.
UA-cam is making a bunch of $$$ on this 1 video. Theres a bunch of commercials! 😳
Thankfully I get some of that revenue you're unfortunately suffering through. I personally use UA-cam Red which is ad-free for like $10 monthly. I won't go back lol
@@TwoBrosRC
I did not know that! 🤯👍
@@TwoBrosRC You deserve the ad revenue. I'd let the ads play. Hope that ads to your cut.
Great vid. My least fav jet. I had two but eflite versions. Super nose heavy. Just not a great stable plane like say, eflite viper, F4 phantom. Hard to describe.
A lot of the instability comes from turbulent air washing over the stabilators from the flaps. Without flaps it's quite stable. Once you recognize it, though, it becomes a bit easier to fly because you know what's causing it.
Is the F-22 easier to fly than this f-18?
Much easier.
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah I watched your video of the f-18 and it was definitely concerning since I am not as experienced as you at flying yet you were shaking like a leaf in a tree on a winter day(which I often do) I was thinking about going f-18 to save money but it looks like the raptor is smarter due to it's handling even though more expensive. Did you buy the 8S version or do you just have the 6s? I forget. Do you get more flight time on the 8s?
@@larsulrich3356 6s.
@@TwoBrosRC Well with the 8S you can do both anyway right even though more expensive? The other one is out of stock and sold out for black friday I guess?
@@larsulrich3356 No idea, maybe?
This is in the nature of, hopefully, constructive criticism. I watched part of the video but gave up after about 11 minutes. I couldn't understand a lot of what you were saying because of either the wind noise or you speaking too softly or background noise.
C'est la vie. Such is life when flying in winds without a windscreen. Thanks for sticking with it as long as you did. I'll be looking into the GoPro Hero 10 Media Mod to reduce wind noise in the near future, and a wireless microphone setup when my bud comes out to shoot with me. That should help alleviate it.
So I got it to fly better but shes still a pig. Im using the freewing inrunner 1900kv on 9 blade but I noticed you like the fms 1950 12 blade nylon blade version due to its lightness. How do youu like that power setup for 6s. I noticed fms also has the 1850kv with metal fan and bigger motor but its aalso 200 grams heavier.
We prefer the 1950kv. It's the best performing motor at its price point and keeps the wing loading lower.
I don't use spectrum so I will match as good as I can. The cg on this plane is very bad.
It has to be somewhat nose heavy to fly properly. If it gets too far back, it becomes completely unstable.
@@TwoBrosRC I'm at 105mm cg. What I'm noticing is I haven't been able to change the behavior of the jet no matter what I do. I'm starting to think the air tunnels for thrust have some quality control issues.
@@dbirds21 That hasn't been our experience. We use the Viper 90mm motor in ours. It's a lot lighter and produces more thrust than the stock FW motor.
I bought one of these and I do not like it. Its lethargic as hell and slow. Its like im using 100 expo and IM using none. THe only thing it does good is land. Lands like a dream.
Try setting it up the way ours is. The maiden has the setup info in it.
@@TwoBrosRC I'm doing it as we speak. I increased my throws. I also reversed my expo a couple clicks. The freewing power is junk. I'm ordering that fms 1950kv.