Dragon Ball Z: Lost Media | Preserving Anime History
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2021
- How I spent 10 Years of my life hunting down Dragon Ball Lost Dubs and Dragon Ball Lost Media. I have spent the last 10 years collecting rare Dragon Ball Z lost media. The dragon ball lost media consists of rare dubs that only aired in the UK, Canada and Netherlands. These Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT lost dubs never had an official release. So the only way to enjoy them today is via home recordings from 2001 to 2005. There were three lost dubs that I helped to successfully locate these include: Dragon Ball Z Westwood dub, Dragon Ball blue water dub and Dragon Ball GT blue water dub. In this video I explain what these dubs are, why there are lost Dragon Ball media, and the lengths I went through in order to preserve these Dragon Ball lost dubs. They are rare unreleased lost media, even considered to be lost episodes of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT.
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Just because it’s illegal, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Media should be preserved and be respected, because huge companies give two rat’s on history. Don’t follow the book of law to judge morality. We watch enough Shonen anime to learn that right?
-ps-Haven’t read Bleach, but very interested.
Do it! Bleach is very good!
Being honest if you've been an anime fan long enough you most likely dabbled in something by the book gray.
Doesn't change the fact that the legal scene wouldn't have developed so much in the first place without those
Exactly, as a gamer, I can attest to this. These people don't understand that some shows, movies, or games, don't get the luxury of being released on DVD/Blu-ray or streaming legally, etc. so sometimes we have to resort to these more morally dubious roads.
Laws don’t equal morality, if you’re doing something you know is right it’s ok
Can only imagine the amount of lost media related to anime from the 60s to 90s alongside deleted material from this era. Nice work there DBzimran.
It's unimaginable. If we're talking about a measure in digitization, hundreds of terabytes of data. This is not feasible for any one person to obtain.
Yeah I know
Still gutted about Kirby Morrow. I was supposed to meet him at an anime con last year but it was cancelled due to covid. Few months later and he's no longer with us 😭
Imagine recording your favorite show for years and then breaking it like a kids toy because you don't want to shared lmao
The bit on Kirby Morrow made me tear up ❤️ nice to see him getting some more appreciation
same, I donated to the scholarship fund in his name set up by his brother Casey, I remember listening to podcasts featuring his fellow VA's that he was a really pleasant person with a wild sense of humour. From what I saw Brian Drummond and Kelly Sheridan remembered him most fondest because of his roles as Goku and Miroku... I also chuckle wistfully sometimes when I realise he came close to roasting Sean Schemmel for getting territorial, but didn't because he was kind. The story regards an old interview (Actually on YT) he did, but he mentions he was going to a convention and Schemmel tweeted "You're not Goku *I'm* Goku" and Morrow was tempted to make a delightfully mischievous comeback about how "Michael Keaton claims he's Batman". 😂 The "what could've been" still gets me chuckling. I reckon wherever he is now he's using that humour to slay King Kai... 😌
@@JoesAnimationHub thank you for sharing your memories :) his Goku was part of my childhood
What made him pass?
Honestly I feel Kirby Morrow’s goku is a bit better than Sean’s
An alternative theory to the existence of the westwood dub Actually has to do with something called "CanCon laws" or "Canadian content laws" where in Canada, television channels are mandated to have a certian amount of Canadian content broadcast on their network.
This combined with the cheaper price of Canadian voice work during the time of production. Might have actually had an influence in the Westwood dub being created. Though it doesn't fully explain why it was also broadcast in the UK
maybe the westwood dub was broadcast in the UK because both countries are part of the Commonwealth, i.e, Queen Elizabeth's monarchy. This may be the case because they got a better deal on canadian content as opposed to US content in terms of price. In australia where I am; Australia, alot of cartoons we have broadcasting here on TV is canadian because australia is also part of the commonwealth.
AB Groupe being the European distributor of the Dragon Ball franchise would've played a part in why it was shown in the UK.
I was gonna comment this, although the reason he said was probably why it was aired in the UK.
I think it’s because UK and Ireland viewers weren’t as fond of the Funimation dub and so when Westwood basically picked up from where Ocean left off (or least used the same talent) UK/EIRE stations were quick to pick it up (or so I’ve heard… as a Brit the only Funimation episodes I saw growing up were the Frieza/Garlic Jr sagas so I know very little about much outside of the Ocean/Westwood dubs 😂
Man your editing is top tier
It is, it looks pretty complicated.
And that's a fact
you should look at the editors channel in the description
I've never even heard of the Westwood Dub, similar to Toonami stuff outside the states you think if had would be a 1 for 1 are often not and it's pretty interesting. While I don't have the same personal childhood connection you do, I can imagine the equivalent for me- a type of empathy. I think preserving anything is pretty cool, such an effort anyone in a historic field would thank you for. These people with a superiority complex sound like a step worse than scalpers honestly, indeed anyone who doesn't want to make a resource available to all be it information or something like this is just disingenuous, they don't really care about a pursuit of knowledge or of a franchise they claim to be a "fan" of. Some of these visuals were also pretty funny...Thank you though truly for contributions to the Dragon Ball Fandom and sharing this story.
I had a similar experience with a group of people who were hoarding rare recordings of Latin-American Spanish dubs, a lot of these never got home releases so they're hard to find in good quality, I found a facebook group where people kept showing off snipets of good quality recordings they had but never actually sharing and making them accesible to the fans, it was kind of disheartening
Mind blown, I was one of those folks that thought I'd been watching the funimation dub. I just can't picture anyone but Sean as Goku.
As much as I would love a Westwood dub rerelease, I know it will never happen, which is why I’m super grateful for these high quality preservations, since despite the censorship and stupid script, i loved the voice cast for the Saban ocean era, and finding out they actually did more episodes past that initial run made me really happy.
In Portugal never felt the need for this since our Dragon Ball dub been showing on tv on repeat since it started xD
Ahh this is so nostalgic. In my part of Canada, we got the Saban dub in it's entirety, then the Funimation dub all the way to midway through the cell games, and then the Westwood dub to end the series.
This is awesome. I didn’t even know there was more than the funimation, JP, and ocean dubs out there. Great work!
The preservation of film and audio is unquantifiably important. It is being burn, thrown away and destroyed faster then it can be preserved. You have an absolutely legend for doing your part.
12:57 Frankly if someone is going to destroy their own recordings at that point, they are more so classified as "big babies."
this is still one of my favorite videos from this channel.
Ever since I've heard about the Japanese Broadcast Audio version, I have a desire to own and experience all 508 episodes of the entire Dragon Ball saga. The way you feel about wanting to experience the Canadian/UK Dub mirrors my desire to obtain and experience the Broadcast Audio. Your contributions to the fandom is very admirable and heroic.
Support the man and his efforts. Regardless if its bleach or not. Love seeing you drop man, and may the next 10 years bring much more to your collection
Oh I'll admit, as someone who grew up in Canada I had almost misremembered well. The only thing that had me holding on to the idea that the funi dub might not be what I grew up with were particular lines of dialogue that I had remembered being almost completely different, like a couple inner dialogue's of vegeta's and whatnot. That and I grew up watching other anime like Gundam Wing and a Canadian cartoon called Reboot which all featured VA's who were in the ocean/ww dub. Despite that though, I came so close to completely misremembering it... well, thanks so much for preserving the ocean dub! While I appreciate it for nostalgic purposes, the funi dub will always be the main dub for me because of how often the ocean dub switched up its va's. I think goku was changed like 3 times, that and the funi cast being used for most of the games.just makes that decision even easier. All respects to drummond though, he was amazing as Vegeta.
You did a great job preserving all of these rare dub episodes, we're all proud of you. Also, I hate hoarders, they hurt the preservation community, they get rid of the chance of reliving these memories, and they give us the middle finger by destroying these valuable DVD recordings. I hope they go to hell after what they did in destroying DB history.
Anyways, perseverance during preservation is what many people succeed in saving these episodes from obscurity in the first place. Hats off to these guys, they are the real heroes on saving these dubs and releasing them for future people to see. Thanks for the documentary, DBZimran. I give my hat off to you and knowing that you inspired many future preservationists to preserve lost media in the future.
Heck, you even inspire me as well.
- Kai
God sees DBZ as a sin so
Holy shit
I have heard of these dubs before, and the UK has dubbed anime and cartoons before (For example there was dub of Urusei Yatsura that was way more comical that was made by the BBC)
Apparently the blue water dub's GT voice for krillin was the inspiration for Abridged Krillin's voice so that's a nice little nod to such an obscure dub
Thansk for everything DBZimran. In Nova Scotia Canada We had the exact experience you did in the uk!
Fantastic video. As a UK fan I've always preferred to watch subbed (since I never grew up watching DB on TV) but your work has been incredible. So excited to fully give it a watch when synced to the Dragon Boxes! Hopefully one day we'll get every dub (and the Japanese original) of this series all neatly collected in one place at their highest quality, since the official channels will never care enough to release them properly.
Being a Brit, I was a generation later to experience the Westwood and Blue Water Dubs, but my earliest memories are seeing commercials for Dragon Ball Z on CNX
Hopefully one day we can see more CNX promos
Mate you are a superstar.
Thank you for your efforts in preserving this dub! I grew up in the us, where our first introduction to Dragon Ball Z was the ocean dub. From 1996 - 1999, we were stuck with reruns of the first 53 episodes. Finally, seemingly out of nowhere, the series continued in 1999, but all the voices were changed. We got to enjoy the rest of DBZ with those new voices, but I always wondered what it would have been like if they'd kept the old voices (I was especially a fan of Brian Drummond as Vegeta).
It wasn't until around 2010 that I learned the Ocean actors dubbed the rest of the series for UK audiences, and I was so happy to see the fandom sharing clips online; my dream had come true! So thank you for your effort in preserving the dub, I look forward to enjoying your completed restoration!
Btw, we never thought we would get an official release of the Ocean dub, but a few years ago they quietly released the "Rock the Dragon" edition (which I was fortunate enough to get when it was still in stores). So maybe the Westwood dub will eventually see the light of day!
Also, the Ocean actors have verified that they did record a new dub of Kai, so there's a chance we'll get that one day!
This is amazing. As someone who grew up in the UK, this is so nostalgic. I almost felt like I imagined them, especially since I couldn't find them online.
It was actually from watching your original UK Dragonball video that I knew I wasn't crazy. 😭
rurouni kenshin had something like this as well. here i the philippines, we even have our own english dub of digimon adventures 1 and 2.
Wouldn't really call this "wasting" 10 years, you did the DBZ community a solid in doing what you did and should be commended for it. :) As for the "sharing of copyrighted material" personally, I agree with your stance. There are several shows like Cybersix and Cardcaptors which will never get a home video release for various reasons and regardless of how you feel about them, they deserve to be preserved because they have value. Art is culture, and if the folks who own it don't care to archive it that's where we the fans who do care need to step in.
Wow this is great. Yes I'm in UK and got into DBZ via the games like Budokai 2 & 3. But did watch the series after. I remember the UK versions on tv too. The theme tune really stuck in my head. I got into the series late due to not having cable at first.
And yeah I don't have any problem with "piracy" when it's for content that isn't legally available.
People like you are a blessing. I never grew up with westwood but as a DB fan I appreciate your effort. I don't know how you remained so diplomatic when talking about that absolute psycho that broke the discs lol. People like that have something wrong with them.. I don't know of anyone *that* messed up in the broadcast audio community but I do recall the hoarding and egos -_-
I probably would have told that asshole to go play in traffic, so he was far nicer than I would have been in such a rage-inducing situation
So THATS why i found ocean dub footage of DBZ as far as the Buu Saga on UA-cam.....I was so confused because in the US, the mid point of the Frieza Saga was Funi dub.
Fantastic work, this is for the ages! I wish we could get a more concentrated effort now on acquiring Ocean's dub of Kai. It exists, the licence holder is willing to air it to the right broadcaster in Canada and Ken Morrison of Ocean is apparently still intent on it being seen, but has cooled his jets to focus on more recent dubbing projects. The opportunity is there, I think they need a collective push. Worth noting, but Bandai are also heavily involved in this decision, so throwing them into the mix to see what might come of it.
I’m glad you’ve done this. I’ve learned a lot on how much you’ve returned to the internet memory. Someone also returned the majority of the Ultimate Uncut (FUNi eps 28-67) as well, so there’s that.
The Ocean/Westwood dub is vastly superior in quality to the Funimation version. Better voice acting, editing, sound, music, direction, talent, pacing. It's what DBZ and fans deserve. I stopped watching DBZ because of Funimation. They straight up ruined the show. Now I actually want to watch what I missed and thought could never be. DBZ fans in the UK were treated well. More people should be aware of this. You are doing amazing work. Thank you!
Nah. Funimation is superior in every way. The Ocean dubs 1-53 is Good. But the Westwood dub 108-276 Is garbage and poorly made. You’re just a funi hater
Great vid. Gave me real nostalgia.. Cartoon World... Damn it. One thing to note though, I don't think most people actually remember this but on CNX the Funimation dub was actually being used for a bit. I can remember it like it was yesterday, no heavy internet use so was more of a word of mouth situation
Yep we have discussed this on the Kanzenshuu Forums. Funimation dub was used the first time the fusion saga was aired. You can even hear it in the promos for the fusion saga aired by CNX.
Thank You for doing this and going beyond in recreating footage to preserve this dub.
I never got to experience the Blue Water dubs fir DB and GT, but I grew up on the Westwood dub of DBZ.
So I have to give the biggest THANK YOU to you, Manifest, Dragonath among others for syncing the audio up to the merge (and to the rest of the SoM crew of course for all their work).
You're making the 6/7 year old me of 20 years ago extremely happy. :)
Amazing video Dood as someone who is a fan of dbz all his life (32) cool to see this. And anyone who would deny the spread of a thing they claim to love isn't a fan they are just dumbm
I remember that dub, Kriby Morow was great may you rest and Peace.
Stop saying “rest in peace”. Its been a YEAR
I remember when I was little I'd record GT on tape because I loved it so much. That was the Funimation dub with the "welcome to the grand tour" opening. I'm glad that fans were able to preserve the Westwood dub. Fans wouldn't have to resort to this if they'd just have an official media release, but the community fills in that gap and I love it. I heard that ocean even dubbed kai and it's just being shelved off due to copyright issues.
In canada on YTV we got a hybride of the Westwood song intro with the funimation Dub during freeza saga until the end !!! I still have the episode of Goku become Super Sayen for the first time and the last episode of Z on VHS !!!
This is why archiving and preservation is such an important thing in my opinion. Thank you so much for your own hard work with preserving and letting us know
Wow! This video is so informative and high quality. The editing is amazing.
I understand the feeling. In my country,it's pretty common for movies to get multiple dubs over the years(hell,some movies have gotten four or even FIVE different dubs here!),with most of them only being preserved through fans' efforts.
Akira,for instance,has had three different dubs,and if it wasn't for fans sharing recordings and materials,only the second dub could still be heard from this day(the first dub was only released on VHS in the early 90's and the third dub was only broadcasted in a specific channel a few times around 2000-2001).
Yu Yu Hakusho was dubbed twice in my country.The second dub was broadcasted on Cartoon Network in the mid 00's and got a complete DVD release,but the first dub was only aired on TV during 1997 and 1998(the cast is 99% the same in both versions,by the way)and that too would have been lost media if it wasn't for fans(and recently, higher quality recordings of the first dub have surfaced on the internet,YAY!)
Evangelion got THREE(!) different dubs in my country(with most of the main cast being kept in all three)and the first two would have been lost media too if it wasn't for the fans(first dub aired on TV between 1999 and 2002/2003 and the second dub aired between 2008 and 2010. Third dub is the Netflix version).
Even Dragon Ball itself got multiple dubs in some movies and batches of episodes in my country(and we have all of them preserved too!)
OceanDubZ was the original person who synced Ocean audio to the orange bricks from 2007-2013 before his accounts got deleted
Once again a fantastic in depth look at DBZ and how it unfolded here in the UK. I usually direct people to your videos nowdays instead of trying to explain it all myself, you do a better job!
That you so much for the quality content you post. This was something to wake up too.
Thank you for making this video and giving long dued credit to the voice actors.
I am elated and looking forward to spending some time squirrelling out your hard work online so that I can finally experience the dubs of my childhood! At one point I was able to find some Canadian DVDs on Amazon of the Ocean Dub early episodes (Raditz saga into Saiyan Saga I think) but obviously those were like 4 episodes per disc, couldn’t get them all and once it reached that point in the Namek saga that was it for Ocean/Geneon/Pioneer. To be able to see the rest as it was would be a dream! I remember being heartbroken when the dub changed - no offence to Chris Sabat but Brian Drummond was MY Vegeta, I had a huge tween crush on his voice lmao and for it to change was just miserable, but I kept watching bc I loved the show. The sheer delight when suddenly the original voices were back is something I didn’t ever forget!
I knew about a lot of these and it’s still fascinating to see an alternate dub. I’m hoping the process of sinking it up to the dragon box footage goes well. I was doing something similar with the American Toonami broadcast recreating all the edits in better quality but this is of higher importance as otherwise we can’t access this audio track. Thank you for your hard work in preserving the Westwood dub and I’m hoping we get that one last episode in good quality of the Blue Water Dragon Ball dub
This was a really interesting video! I had no idea there was a dub collecting fandom like this
For all your hard work , contributions and efforts man ..Thank you so much , my you've brought a lot of healing to a lot of people such as myself
Damn I never knew we had Incel hoarders in the community- it's awesome to see you've also preserved so much dragon ball content
Great job man! I really love your BLEACH vids (since I love BLEACH), but I'm really glad you're branching out form time to time. Keep the great work!
Thank you for everything you do!!
Great job on the editing! Fluid and concise.
The editing to really good and damn you were able to collect all of these footages
Well, I found the place where these are uploaded. If you're into watching a lot of anime using alternative means, it's really easy to find these encodes. That's all I'll say on this post.
In any case, every community seems to have that one person that will ruin it for everyone else. It happens and that's just how incohesive people seem to be - petty, angry, and pessimistic. But the data hoarding is real. I've experienced it at first hand and the trade offs are worth it, in my opinion. But I will say this - hoarding this sort of thing all to yourself is truly selfish. This is anime, we're talking about. But, then again, what do I know? What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly.
Amazing achievement unlocked, and excellent video, as usual.
very interesting and great video 👍
Impressive video. This is a real glow up compared to the first Toonami UK one.
I can totally relate to a lot of what you're saying, from the confusion of watching the Funimation dub to discovering Cartoon World forums... Even the part about talking to peers who insist they watched the Funi dub on TV. It's wild to hear others experienced the same thing, it's almost like you're describing what happened to me at times. Considering how corrupt some of the people at Funimation turned out to be, I feel blessed my memories of the alternate dubs weren't overwritten by the video games.
And yeah, the time for the anti-piracy argument has long since passed in my view, I think we would all gladly pay for this stuff had it been released by now but none of these companies will ever care to do so, and as far as I'm concerned they've wavered their right to scold fans for preserving it themselves.
Oh and fuck the hoarders. between them and the Ocean dub of Kai being prevented from broadcast... It's been a very rough time for fans of Canadian dubbed Dragon Ball.
Fantastic video!
This is fantastic. Are you planning on uploading Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT as well? I’d love to have everything.
Yourself and everyone else who has contributed to and is working on these remasters are gods.
The funimation dub actually did air in the UK fully but on local networks, so both dubs aired. I can't remember the station/network name but the UK dub also aired in the USA as I clearly remember 2 versions of the cell saga (and of course the JP version aired on the international channel since the early 90s).
Hope those tapes came in handy mate. Lovely to see them preserved.
Your editing is the best
Years ago in school a kid brought this DBZ movie where Goten & Trunks wished for Goku's dad back with the dragon balls expecting Grandpa Gohan and instead Bardock returns. The part that bugs me the most is I don't know what was the name of the movie because it was subbed and he recorded it on VHS. But the one thing I will never forget is the Japanese McDonald's Commercial that kept playing during the break with a Kid singing and trapping two sticks together for Happy Meal.
And I've only met like two other people that seen this movie my entire life
.........this is solid dedication.......i salute ya Imran........awesome work man........
I'm here because the dude in a Room and great video man
Wow so much effort gj guys
Don’t know HOW I missed this video.
But ima go through my old VHS collection my mom made for me when I was a kid. I know for a fact that I have old recordings, I just don’t know which dub. Now I’m super curious.
Godbless being a 90s baby
If you uncover anything special message me at dbzimran@gmail.com
@@DBZimran Bet that.
I remember your UKDB site. It was there that I was corrected on some of the long-mistaken identities of some of the Ocean Dub cast that had proliferated in the early days of the Internet.
Amazing video and research work!
This video is awesome 👏
Had no idea there were 2 different dubs. Mind blown! Thinking back, I do remember the voices suddenly sounding different in DBZ. I used to record the UK episodes on VHS for my cousins and uncles who missed it. No idea what happened to the tapes now though
Great video! Deserves many more views!
Damn this was a good and nostalgic video bro also for another video idea I was thinking you should do another top 10 anime op good video Imran keep up the good work!
As someone from the Netherlands: Thank you so much for preserving my youth!!! DBZ just isn’t as nostalgic without Brian Drummond and recycled Mega Man music
I was expecting to hear some wacky new dub with British accents or something, but the Westwood dub is just the same stuff I watched in Canada.
Dude I knew you were a legend but... DAMN! Freakin awesome mate!!! Love your vids man thanks for this, your time and your efforts in showing the diff!
Loving being subscribed aye!
Damn another heart holy crap, thanks mate! I feel the love, hope you know it's reciprocated, I'm soooooo happy I found your channel. Considering how much you put into this vid and collection it's just....damn... Thank you again for how much you've put into this, I don't get alot of down time so when I do your vids are amazing just to relax and enjoy and get some head space.
Raaass as if people are that weird to destroy lost content just so other people can't have them. Absolute freaks.
Big Up to you though Imran, love your DBZ content and love what you have contributed to what we grew up with in the UK. Been watching the Westwood dub on the Internet archive recently 😁
Great video!!!!!
You're doing Kami's work
Interesting video dbzriman .You sure are lucky to have those tapes
The second i saw the thumbnail... Rock the dragon was already playing in my head.
thank you for this.
i recently stumbled across an upload on archive with a bunch of english dubbed dbz episodes from the philipines(? at least SEA area). i liked that dub more than any of the other english dubs that i heared so far.
Thats a rare dub!
You're doing God's work my good man!
It sounds a little odd to call it "the Mega Man *dub*" when that series was originally produced in English with that soundtrack.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the dragon ball airings in the UK toned down the flashing scenes which were kept in the US airing.
I would love these versions
What you did here is godly and you are amazing
Thank you
Where can I get these
YESS!! I had that same confusion around 2007/2008 when the orange bricks were being released. Watching the namek episodes were familiar and then I remember being confused but couldn't put my finger on why the android saga felt different....
And then when I started hearing the Megaman music and Trunk's theme on obscure UA-cam vids it was an EPIPHANY! The music jogged my memory and everything clicked and made sense 😍
7:50 "and even Canada"
Why does it sound like you're surprised?
We aired the Westwood and Blue Water dubs all the way through as well, since they counted as Canadian Content.
I used to think the Westwood DBZ theme was something I'd imagined.
Since the Akria Toriyama's passing I've been on a kick to get hold of these episodes, mostly as I like obscure dubs including Tokusatsu ones, anyway just wanted to say thanks to your work, I already had copies of the Ocean Westwood Z dub synced to better quality video but audio may not be, going to look into getting your work to go along side the GT and dragonball. Sucks that the hoarder community went that low and petty.
Dude, I have the complete BlueWater dub of DB (including ep 71) in decent quality, as well as the Westwood dub of DBZ (ep 108-276), the Big Green dub movies & specials, and the GT BlueWater dub.
Send me a message if you want to discuss/compare and I'll happily share whatever you might want!
Hey I would definitely be interested can you email me at dbzimran@gmail.com
Nice video. :)