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Those graphs reveal some very interesting facts. Vanax so much better than all the other marine steels. Cruwear has such nice balance of edge and toughness. S30v was way ahead of its time.
The two new Sage 5 options basically cover anyone that needs a general purpose pocket knife design - for someone that needs ultimate edge retention you have Rex 121. For the rest of us that need something which does everything well and is easy to maintain - SPY27. I really can’t say enough good things about SPY27. Edge retention almost on par with s30v but it’s a fair bit tougher, slightly more corrosion resistant, and far easier to sharpen. Takes a ridiculous edge and can be maintained with a strop. My second favorite steel for a folding knife after magnacut.
I can't wait to get my Sage 5 Rex 121. Should hopefully be here tomorrow or the day after. I love the Sage 1 & 5, very comfortable and have nice geometry. I'm hoping Spyderco does some Rex 54 soon, according to Crucible it has better toughness and edge retention compared to Rex 45. Since it has 3% less cobalt and 1% more Vanadium (Rex 45 got 8% Cobalt and Rex 54 got 5%). So I think it would be a fantastic user steel just like Rex 45.
The REX series of steels don't get enough love. With so many steels on the market they kind of get forgotten which is a shame because they are really good steels. I love REX45 - just personal choice. For me it has a balance of hardness & toughness that I like and I also like the working edges I can get on it. Have a great day.
@@jayrod1980 Rex 76 is cool also. But I would love to see Spyderco do Rex 54 soon also. It's a very interesting steel that they have not yet done a Mule of.
Dang man you had me on your new k390 knife til you said no lefty clip. That's why I buy so many Benchmade and Kershaw and Spyderco. They make every single knife for lefties too. Got my Rex 121 sage 5 it's freaking awesome. Granted it's a purpose built tool, it won't replace my PM2 salt or manix or 940 or adamas for taking to work. But for breaking down cardboard for my weekly recycling duty (babies at home = tons of cardboard) , the new sage will give my k390 endura a run for it's money. I already used I to break down a heavy box and the thick cardboard corner protectors from a new dryer, and the sage was still shaving after, unlike the endura which was still sharp but no longer shaving. Plus Taiwan makes such a good knife. Mine had perfect centering, perfect action, came sharp and for once, Spyderco got the grinds so even. I usually don't care so much about that but I'm very grateful not to have to reprofile rex 121
Yeah sorry about lefty option, the texture is not under the clip which would look weird on the other side, however if I do another batch with lefty options I will just leave the pattern on the show side. It's my first folding knife design I'm definitely going to have lefty options on other designs
The desighns & materials on those first 2 are nice!love the texture .& of course Correct handed always gets the front of the line spot over the wrong handed..Just the natural order of things . They are accustom to it. dolla dolla bill YO!!
@@NeevesKniveshey Jared just got my sage 5 and am curious how’s the corrosion resistance on Rex 121? I’m not really knowledgeable, but from my experience the harder the steel the less resistant it is to corrosion 🤔 maybe you can make a short out of it explaining it for people who don’t know the steel that well, like me 😅
Stones cutting steels is confusing to the Puddles that haven’t grasped the concepts yet. I played ya for my friends the other day. I said think of real good sandpaper. You are good at the Teach…They all said. It’s funny to watch Sara add in conversations things like…”It has such good Ergonomics”. Then she will turn and beam at me. Thanks J. Cheers
I want to love the Chupacabra, I LOVE the Vision FG, I love the super-lock, I love the blade shape, love the overall looks/lines but... that bolster design making it so I can't get right up behind the heel of the blade edge just KILLS IT for me.
Got my Sage 5 121 lightweight, and it's great, but I'd be lying if I said it wouldn't be great if they'd thin the blade stock and made it thinner behind the edge. Apart from the Chaparral and one or two other options, Spyderco makes dozens of knives that feature beefy, indestructible blades which, for me, disappoint as slicers. I love my Spidey Chef (and "100 Pacer") -- two exceptions to the rule -- but I wish Spyderco would develop a fresh line of EDC knives more for the office and less for the warehouse and/or field.
I have 2 x REX 121 blades (non production mules). I can only comment on my own experience - and I'm not a sharpening guru like Jared. Maintaining a REX121 edge isn't too hard, however, re-profiling or re-sharpening from dull I found rather time consuming and getting a clean edge rather hard (certainly not impossible - just harder than what I'm used to). The issue with REX121 is the size, hardness and distribution of the carbides. Compared to many other powdered steels (eg. it nearest rival Maxamet) the carbides are rather large and aren't as evenly distributed. This is why Jared as absolutely correct in stating that getting a really good clean edge on REX121 can be difficult but whatever edge you do get will last forever (nearly). Me personally, I found I could get down to 17 deg per side with a moderately toothy edge that I was happy with. I just couldn't get a 15 deg edge on it that I really liked. It wasn't chippy as such, I just found the toothiness was interfering with getting a clean edge - I hope that makes sense. I expect that this was due to the carbides along the edge. I probably could have moved to 15 deg if I had better gear - I'm sure Jared will let us know!! As far as grits go depends what sort of edge you want and how much time you've got. I found good sharpening performance up to and including 600 grit - just allow a bit more time because stock removal is slower (as you would expect) than most other steels. Moving up I found 1000 grit was ok to help reduce some of the toothiness but wasn't enough to get anywhere close to a polished edge. I tried 1200 grit but it didn't seem to do a lot and stopped there. In short, 600 will get you a good working edge and 1000 will just tidy it up if you want something less toothy. Hope this helps.
@@franticflintstone7999 knifeworks has their exclusive forest green g10 manix instock. They just dropped a few weeks ago. Spy27 is a great balanced steel. It's definitely underrated.
Agreed; similar flow and use of lines with a time-tested blade shape. Jim Skelton has actually been a longtime fan/supporter of custom knife maker Peter Carey, who designed the Nitro/Nitro-Mini for WE. I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Skelton's Caladan (OEM by Tuya) design was partially influenced or inspired by Peter Carey's designs like the Nitro, or any of his other customs.
The blanks would be sized and shaped pre-heat treat using tungsten carbide or similar. Although there are no commercially available knife steels harder than REX121, there are quite a few strictly tool/machine steels that are. The real bugger would be grinding/sanding in the bevels - even though it's a folding knife, that's still quite a bit of steel that needs to be removed. Have a great day.
Spyderco Cruwear micarta, TACTILE CHUPACABRA, or spyderco manix 2 if you want USA made or even The spyderco yojimbo. Not USA made, my knife design coming mid October, spyderco smock, THE F22 Kickstop is really badass! WE Zizzit, quiet carry way point large etc
For a little over 300 bucks you can buy a Hogue Deka in magnacut AND a Spyderco manix 2 in SPY27 (the regular and the lightweight are both 180). Those 2 knives would get basically everything done that you would want a folding knife to do.
I had a rex121 creely mako which lasted all of a week before I dropped it and watched the blade shatter like a piece of glass. I have only bought knives with steel that have a high toughness ever since.
I thought the sage 5 rex 121 sucked balls. Know any super steels that dont lose that "bite" at higher grits? I think maybe i just dont like these really fine grained steels.
“Super steel” is a marketing term and doesn’t actually exist…just like “surgical steel”. Contrary to what is accepted, ultra high carbide steels aren’t ideal for cutlery. Try a simple carbon/tool steel at 65-67hrc with a thin behind the edge thickness, then you’ll see performance. Edit: these high carbide steels aren’t fine grained. The carbides, and carbide clusters specifically, can be wider than the apex itself. For high sharpness you need fine grained steels like O1. They retain that sharp bite for a lot longer than any high carbide steel. Rex121 is 32% carbide, Maxamet is 22%. Great for experimenting with but far from ideal in the real world.
@Wolf_K ofcourse it's not a scientific term, but it's a known term that steel people know referres to high carbide steels or higher edge retention steels. Many things in language go like that
@Wolf_K ofcourse it's an easier way to say a specific group of stones, premium stones also isn't really either but we use it to separate the simple steels from the midrange from the premium or higher carbide steels or higher edge retention steels
Shapton wouldn’t be able to handle the vanadium and other carbides because they are harder than the stone. Diamond and CBN are the only things that would be hard enough to properly sharpen it.
Kneeves your knives look great but they’re out of my price range. Any chance that you’ll design a more budget friendly knife. I’m not talking about a $30 knife but in the $100-150 range?
The chupacabra looks like a rip-off of the vision FG. A much more expensive rip-off. Why would I pay extra for a knife that doesn't even look as good? Make it make sense
That's why I would rather have that knife and s45 s90 or even s35 I don't have to worry about all that other crap because at the end of the day with you ever super steel or an average deal and you're doing the same tasks okay why put yourself through the extra work❤
If you're not into sharpening and/or are not a steel nerd then REX121 probably isn't for you. You're absolutely right in that the average user will get more satisfaction and a better user experience out of S35/45/90. Further, the S series steels are stainless whereas the REX series are not. Have a great day.
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Have you seen the dual grit sharpening method by "The home Slice" channel? Cedric tested it and blew the standard edge out of the water.
Those graphs reveal some very interesting facts.
Vanax so much better than all the other marine steels.
Cruwear has such nice balance of edge and toughness.
S30v was way ahead of its time.
The two new Sage 5 options basically cover anyone that needs a general purpose pocket knife design - for someone that needs ultimate edge retention you have Rex 121. For the rest of us that need something which does everything well and is easy to maintain - SPY27.
I really can’t say enough good things about SPY27. Edge retention almost on par with s30v but it’s a fair bit tougher, slightly more corrosion resistant, and far easier to sharpen. Takes a ridiculous edge and can be maintained with a strop. My second favorite steel for a folding knife after magnacut.
so glad kizer is finally insetting the liners
Don’t forget to make sure all the designs have hidden liners where applicable . Seems like they all do great .
I can't wait to get my Sage 5 Rex 121. Should hopefully be here tomorrow or the day after. I love the Sage 1 & 5, very comfortable and have nice geometry. I'm hoping Spyderco does some Rex 54 soon, according to Crucible it has better toughness and edge retention compared to Rex 45. Since it has 3% less cobalt and 1% more Vanadium (Rex 45 got 8% Cobalt and Rex 54 got 5%). So I think it would be a fantastic user steel just like Rex 45.
The REX series of steels don't get enough love. With so many steels on the market they kind of get forgotten which is a shame because they are really good steels. I love REX45 - just personal choice. For me it has a balance of hardness & toughness that I like and I also like the working edges I can get on it. Have a great day.
Rex 76
@@jayrod1980 Rex 76 is cool also. But I would love to see Spyderco do Rex 54 soon also. It's a very interesting steel that they have not yet done a Mule of.
Dang man you had me on your new k390 knife til you said no lefty clip. That's why I buy so many Benchmade and Kershaw and Spyderco. They make every single knife for lefties too.
Got my Rex 121 sage 5 it's freaking awesome. Granted it's a purpose built tool, it won't replace my PM2 salt or manix or 940 or adamas for taking to work. But for breaking down cardboard for my weekly recycling duty (babies at home = tons of cardboard) , the new sage will give my k390 endura a run for it's money. I already used I to break down a heavy box and the thick cardboard corner protectors from a new dryer, and the sage was still shaving after, unlike the endura which was still sharp but no longer shaving. Plus Taiwan makes such a good knife. Mine had perfect centering, perfect action, came sharp and for once, Spyderco got the grinds so even. I usually don't care so much about that but I'm very grateful not to have to reprofile rex 121
Yeah sorry about lefty option, the texture is not under the clip which would look weird on the other side, however if I do another batch with lefty options I will just leave the pattern on the show side. It's my first folding knife design I'm definitely going to have lefty options on other designs
The desighns & materials on those first 2 are nice!love the texture .& of course Correct handed always gets the front of the line spot over the wrong handed..Just the natural order of things . They are accustom to it. dolla dolla bill YO!!
@@NeevesKniveshey Jared just got my sage 5 and am curious how’s the corrosion resistance on Rex 121? I’m not really knowledgeable, but from my experience the harder the steel the less resistant it is to corrosion 🤔 maybe you can make a short out of it explaining it for people who don’t know the steel that well, like me 😅
The wire clip is probably my favorite kind of pocket clip. I understand how someone might think it’s cheap but I personally like them better
Stones cutting steels is confusing to the Puddles that haven’t grasped the concepts yet. I played ya for my friends the other day. I said think of real good sandpaper. You are good at the Teach…They all said. It’s funny to watch Sara add in conversations things like…”It has such good Ergonomics”. Then she will turn and beam at me. Thanks J. Cheers
Willnit break if you drop it on concrete?
I want to love the Chupacabra, I LOVE the Vision FG, I love the super-lock, I love the blade shape, love the overall looks/lines but... that bolster design making it so I can't get right up behind the heel of the blade edge just KILLS IT for me.
I want to love it as well, but just don't.
The lock bar angle is, awkward at best.
That puzzle piece Herman is so cool.
Looking forward to the rex121 shapening video 🎉
Got the new sage 5 and going to put some Ti scales on it. So sweet!
The newer drop bear with inset liners has a thinner blade too. I’m really enjoying it. The sharpening choil is better on the old one tho
The "ting" noise when opening on misdemeanor ❤
That knife looks amazing man. Both
Got my Sage 5 121 lightweight, and it's great, but I'd be lying if I said it wouldn't be great if they'd thin the blade stock and made it thinner behind the edge. Apart from the Chaparral and one or two other options, Spyderco makes dozens of knives that feature beefy, indestructible blades which, for me, disappoint as slicers. I love my Spidey Chef (and "100 Pacer") -- two exceptions to the rule -- but I wish Spyderco would develop a fresh line of EDC knives more for the office and less for the warehouse and/or field.
That’s so badazz dude 👏👍
Rex121 is a great steel I can't wait to experience.
Sage 5 is the best spyderco made. Would love to see an ambi clip on one of your knives even if it's a g10 budget model.
Have you actually fully sharpened and re-profiled it yet? I'm wondering how low of a angle and what grit can I get away with?
I’m sure he would of fully sharpened it as soon as he got it lol, doubt he could wait to see how it sharpens up 😂
I have 2 x REX 121 blades (non production mules). I can only comment on my own experience - and I'm not a sharpening guru like Jared. Maintaining a REX121 edge isn't too hard, however, re-profiling or re-sharpening from dull I found rather time consuming and getting a clean edge rather hard (certainly not impossible - just harder than what I'm used to). The issue with REX121 is the size, hardness and distribution of the carbides. Compared to many other powdered steels (eg. it nearest rival Maxamet) the carbides are rather large and aren't as evenly distributed. This is why Jared as absolutely correct in stating that getting a really good clean edge on REX121 can be difficult but whatever edge you do get will last forever (nearly). Me personally, I found I could get down to 17 deg per side with a moderately toothy edge that I was happy with. I just couldn't get a 15 deg edge on it that I really liked. It wasn't chippy as such, I just found the toothiness was interfering with getting a clean edge - I hope that makes sense. I expect that this was due to the carbides along the edge. I probably could have moved to 15 deg if I had better gear - I'm sure Jared will let us know!! As far as grits go depends what sort of edge you want and how much time you've got. I found good sharpening performance up to and including 600 grit - just allow a bit more time because stock removal is slower (as you would expect) than most other steels. Moving up I found 1000 grit was ok to help reduce some of the toothiness but wasn't enough to get anywhere close to a polished edge. I tried 1200 grit but it didn't seem to do a lot and stopped there. In short, 600 will get you a good working edge and 1000 will just tidy it up if you want something less toothy. Hope this helps.
I ordered my first Spyderco, in Spy27
Which model? Was thinking about the Manix in that.
@franticflintstone7999 pm3 light
I have a mara 3 and a manix in spy 27. Its an awesome steel. Alot like s45 but a little better edge retention
@@franticflintstone7999pull the trigger on that purchase. Amazing design in the best user steel on the market
@@franticflintstone7999 knifeworks has their exclusive forest green g10 manix instock. They just dropped a few weeks ago. Spy27 is a great balanced steel. It's definitely underrated.
That audible ting on the misdemeanor is making me want to buy it 😂
Like them All, Thanks Jared 😎
Why is d2 high in corrosion resistant on the graph ? I thought it was horrible at corrosion resistant
Have you made a felony edc fixed blade you should do that for me man I will buy it
The BANG!
That We nitro reminds me of the Tuya Coluden.
Agreed; similar flow and use of lines with a time-tested blade shape. Jim Skelton has actually been a longtime fan/supporter of custom knife maker Peter Carey, who designed the Nitro/Nitro-Mini for WE. I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Skelton's Caladan (OEM by Tuya) design was partially influenced or inspired by Peter Carey's designs like the Nitro, or any of his other customs.
OEM Kubey?
your knives look great
I can't wait for the Misdemeanor drop but I think I'll wait for the offender clone instead of spending the We money big bucks 😉😉
I need me one of those big ass mats brotha where you get that lol
How does spyderco even cut the tang on REX121
Carbide cutting tools I asume
The blanks would be sized and shaped pre-heat treat using tungsten carbide or similar. Although there are no commercially available knife steels harder than REX121, there are quite a few strictly tool/machine steels that are. The real bugger would be grinding/sanding in the bevels - even though it's a folding knife, that's still quite a bit of steel that needs to be removed. Have a great day.
Has your WE knife design dropped?
Let's go!
I need a better job I want your first knife so bad with an edge that you put on it thing is badass
What do you recommend for the nicest knife I can get for $300?
Spyderco Cruwear micarta, TACTILE CHUPACABRA, or spyderco manix 2 if you want USA made or even The spyderco yojimbo. Not USA made, my knife design coming mid October, spyderco smock, THE F22 Kickstop is really badass! WE Zizzit, quiet carry way point large etc
For a little over 300 bucks you can buy a Hogue Deka in magnacut AND a Spyderco manix 2 in SPY27 (the regular and the lightweight are both 180).
Those 2 knives would get basically everything done that you would want a folding knife to do.
QC Nine
"Shit, it'll cut without an edge on it" ! 🎉🎉🎉
😂 👊
@@NeevesKnives I have no doubt it will 👍
Aren’t the Offender and Misdemeanor two of the 5 knives you’re loving right now?? 😂😂😂😂
No they were just honorable mentions
But yes ofcourse however they are not available so I'm just showing them off a bit
I had a rex121 creely mako which lasted all of a week before I dropped it and watched the blade shatter like a piece of glass. I have only bought knives with steel that have a high toughness ever since.
Damn crummy compression lock, otherwise a perfect knife.
I thought the sage 5 rex 121 sucked balls. Know any super steels that dont lose that "bite" at higher grits? I think maybe i just dont like these really fine grained steels.
K390 is amazing with finer grits and low edge angles, Cruwear, Rex45, zdp189, 4v 3v all take insane fine grit edges and don't lose bite
“Super steel” is a marketing term and doesn’t actually exist…just like “surgical steel”. Contrary to what is accepted, ultra high carbide steels aren’t ideal for cutlery.
Try a simple carbon/tool steel at 65-67hrc with a thin behind the edge thickness, then you’ll see performance.
Edit: these high carbide steels aren’t fine grained. The carbides, and carbide clusters specifically, can be wider than the apex itself. For high sharpness you need fine grained steels like O1. They retain that sharp bite for a lot longer than any high carbide steel.
Rex121 is 32% carbide, Maxamet is 22%. Great for experimenting with but far from ideal in the real world.
@Wolf_K ofcourse it's not a scientific term, but it's a known term that steel people know referres to high carbide steels or higher edge retention steels. Many things in language go like that
@@NeevesKnives
Yeah, I understand all that: it’s simply incorrect by any standard. I’m not the police ;) and people will do as they please.
@Wolf_K ofcourse it's an easier way to say a specific group of stones, premium stones also isn't really either but we use it to separate the simple steels from the midrange from the premium or higher carbide steels or higher edge retention steels
Please do a sharpening tutorial! I don't know where to start
He’s done a huge number of sharpening tutorials, look back through his videos and you should be able to find something
But why made in Taiwan? For a super steel u would think it would be USA made
Spyderco Taiwan Factory does some of there best work, and still run the exact same heat treatment protocol
Scale color is 😢
The of bots are out of control
Taken care of I have to block them every single video
@@NeevesKnives It's not your fault bruh, they leach onto anything that has digital pull.
try to sharp rex 121 on shapton stones. Will be interesting video to see if Japan stones can handle it
Shapton wouldn’t be able to handle the vanadium and other carbides because they are harder than the stone. Diamond and CBN are the only things that would be hard enough to properly sharpen it.
Kneeves your knives look great but they’re out of my price range. Any chance that you’ll design a more budget friendly knife. I’m not talking about a $30 knife but in the $100-150 range?
The chupacabra looks like a rip-off of the vision FG. A much more expensive rip-off. Why would I pay extra for a knife that doesn't even look as good? Make it make sense
Better steel, heat treatment, USA MADE
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That's why I would rather have that knife and s45 s90 or even s35 I don't have to worry about all that other crap because at the end of the day with you ever super steel or an average deal and you're doing the same tasks okay why put yourself through the extra work❤
If you're not into sharpening and/or are not a steel nerd then REX121 probably isn't for you. You're absolutely right in that the average user will get more satisfaction and a better user experience out of S35/45/90. Further, the S series steels are stainless whereas the REX series are not. Have a great day.
Yeah man, I hate it. I think i just hate super steels in general
Because if you know what you’re doing it will be less work overall for some people. Not most people, but definitely some.
Okay, so let me ask. Rex 121 longest working edge. What steel would you say is finest, or sharpest
Dude that offender knife is gonna be a huge pain to sharpen