@@snowhusk Ikr! Its weird that theres not more overlap. It would be nice if edc people cared more about feeding themselves (no better preparation than having that skill imo) and the cooking people would take some ques from the pocket knife crowd and realize that we have better things than VG10 now. For anyone who has tried a chefs knife in super steel with a custom heat treat... Theres no way back from that one haha
Jesus - the difference in sharpening maxanet vs rex 121 is an exercise is masochism. I've been slowly working on the 121 when I want to feel like I've made all the wrong choices in life over the past couple of weeks and it's just not worth it when comparing it to maxanet. I consider maxanet a pleasure. Rex 121 is finally the point where I decided there is in fact a steel I hate to sharpen.
I did a card board cut test on mine and I quit after 1100 feet and there was absolutely no degradation so I called it and lost interest and that was on the factory edge. I've never had a steel be it custom or production go 1000ft and not show any signs of falling off, even steels like k390 in a custom I made at 66.5rc 3 inch fixed blade I made that is 8thou bte only went around 900ft before I could start feeling and seeing slight signs of degradation spyderco absolutely knocked it out the park on this heat treat protocol, incredible work for a large production knife!
Agreed. When mine came in it was pretty sharp. Not ssSCREAMING sharp, but very sharp. I also realized I had no stones that would sharpen a steel 70+hrc lol (since remedied as I've wanted some diamond "stones" anyway). I do have diamond infused stropping solutions, so I put a freaking bangin mirror polish on the edge. Other than wiping it off, the edge/mirror hasn't budged even a bit in the over a month I've been carrying it. Granted, I've only cut pipe insulation, cardboard, foam, paper and the like, but still. ✌🏼🤘🏼
As soon as I seen this steel drop I thought I’ll wait for the petes rope test before I believe it You are a valuable asset to the knive community We should start pitching in to a fund to support you once your arm stops working
Autistic Slicing Challenge incoming 😄 Can't wait for that refined edge video to be honest. See you again Pete 🙋 Merry Christmas for you and the rest of the folks in this comment section 👍
Good job Pete, doing the Lord's work once again. I got rid of a Sage 5 during a knife purge a couple years back and I miss it. This might be a replacement. Good job Spyderco as well.
This was the first Spyderco that I actually got the day of release and it really is wild. Lucky it came in a Sage because if it were a Golden/Seki City model I wouldn't be looking forward to having to reprofile this thing (on that note, wish there were more evergreen/non-collab models made in Taiwan in general). Great vid man, always excited when I see one of yours pop up in my sub feed.
This reminds me of my old, very used Spyderco Maxamet blade. It never stopped cutting paper, even when it got some tiny chips in it - it only became toothier and wanted to bite into the paper more, but not stop slicing it. Even the small chips acted more like serrations.
UA-cam has ended...these cut tests will be continued on the next platform...but the good news is, they ARE shorter than a gov't committee hearing, and more informative.
Man I've been waiting for this one! I reprofiled mine to 14° per side and it was hands down the worst sharpening experience ever. It just takes so long to even make minor progress on the edge.
Classic Pete returns with a vengeance ! Although, the vengeance seems to be on you, Pete. Must have been pretty negative numbers on that last one to provoke this ! Guess everyone doesn't enjoy the Pete cooking show as much as I do ! Thanks for the 'self abuse' for blade steel science !
You bring us pleasure through your pain in these tests, man. I'm not saying you should hurt yourself in the cooking vids, but who knows, maybe this is the key to stardom :D
Ledburites get some pretty weird eutectic mixtures in the ultra-high carbon 'steel' where the alloy constituents are all very close to completely melting and getting some very homogeneous structures. Course the real challenge comes when you're sharpening them as they can have some fragility and might not always support a very acute edge compared to materials that have inherent toughness and flexibility. So if you put your 17deg edge on it, there would maybe have a better ultimate sharpness requiring less pressure to cut, but at the cost of some wear resistance. Like the Rex121 used in cutting and milling bits for machines with obtuse edges (compared to a knife) and they practically don't get blunt being jammed into spinning lumps of metal, they're more likely to just 'fail' in the sense that the edge chips out or some kind of catastrophic breakage occurs when some gronk spins them up too fast or the feed rate is too high.
Welp, my Rex121 Sage came with a factory edge angle of 15°/16°, so I wouldn't worry about a 17° edge. In fact, it might fare worse than the factory edge, unless you go with 15°. Behind the edge thickness was around 20 thou, by the way. Just a fantastic job by Spyderco ... and of course Pete!
The finish on it is like a # 36 - # 60 that’s been heavily buffed. No surprises why. 😂 I got one recently…it took 14 minutes to reprofile on Atoma # 140 from stock to ~6°ps and 1 minute to apex a ~ 15°ps micro. Side note, while people have been showing Rex121 scratching/cutting glass as a party trick , Maxamet also does the same. I cut up a coffee jar to see. It sharpens easy, no real difference to Maxamet. Reprofile takes a little longer but still only 14 minutes. Edit: another thing about rex121, it takes a really nice mirror polish. _Really_ nice.
The course diamond wheel on the Tormek T8 is perfect for this steel. 360 grain & a quick strop puts a nasty toothy sharp edge on it & it just doesn't stop cutting. Absolutely disgusting edge retention. A REX-121 shaman would be the T I T S
I have had my Rex 121 sage for a few weeks now, and it has been hard for me to find an excuse for another folder in the pocket! The K390 Leafjumper finally knocked it off it's pedestal a few days ago 😂
_I'd be removing the pocket clip before these extended cut test sessions just for max comfort!_ _Interesting video indeed! Cannot wait to see what it does with a new edge!_
I wonder what grit the factory edge was sharpened to? I have been playing with more course grits on very thin flat and hollow grinds with Cru Wear and D2 recently and getting good results with a longer lasting toothier bite on the edge. I've also caught myself a few times on very, very fine grit edges and experienced the cuts you can't feel, until the secondary pain kicks in. Is that relevant, probably not. I just feel it helps me to understand better than I used to.
It's such an amazing knife & steel that I'm actually considering buying the LW after already owning the G10 version. It's insane how great Rex-121 on a Sage 5 is because the tip isn't super brittle like a clip point PM2. I would also love a Rex-121 Manix 2 but a Sage 5 is what I call a "better Para 3". Sorry if that upsets some folks lol I just like it better.
This doesn't count. You willed it into its dullness. The sheer amount of cutting had you rooting against it. I smelled the hatred all the way in New Jersey 😂😂😂. Fr, good shit man. Can't wait to see what happens after you sharpen it 😅😅
17:42 WhaaaaaT?! Amazing. 🤯😵 I hope you don't get Nosferatu hand from cutting that much rope at once. My hand is sore from just watching. Take care and happy holidays to you and your family!
At work, cutting through various materials, it was really just another steel. I thinned it out a bunch now, but im thinking that the benefits of these high edge retention steels is reduced when cutting various materials in a real world setting vs just one material
Great video and test, and my money is also in root vegetables and easy to do delicious cooking so. Game recognizes game. Also the orange handle just. Doesn't do it for me. However, the recent "Burgundy" run got me right in the aesthetical solar plexus and I have 3 of them now, and the steel is fun too. Happy slicing, and holidays (whatever they may be!)
My attention span is too short for this steel. I had to keep fast forwarding. How good are the stainless properties of REX121? Thanks for this video Pete!!
You should test vancron superclean. Newish bohler steel. 10 percent vanadium. It contains nitrogen (forming nitrides) like magnacut. Obviously with significant difference.
Real world for me is boxes, and yeah, my Maxamet outshines my other steels. Might have to get one of these. It’s fun to occasionally here old timers say “ that’s gonna dull your knife” to which I can reply, yup, but not anytime soon lol
Spyderco made our man delirious with their Rex121! What performance! Thanks Pete! I'm filming a sisal rope cut test over on my channel with a Spyderco Stretch in VG10 and can't get it to cut more than 125 times through the rope no matter what angle I put the edge. I have put probably 5 or 6 edges on it by now and it's got me all twisted up. I want to believe I'm doing something wrong and VG10 is really capable stuff, but I have gotten extremely good results from other steels on different knives. Any ideas UA-cam comment section?
How low have you gone? The only thing keeping vg10 relevant (to my uses) is it's ability to take super acute edges. I keep my q-ball sub-10dps, and use it as a bench knife. Assuming it's not a HT issue, there's no reason you can't take it down to 12ish degrees. I suggested 15 in your initial video, but that's more obtuse than I'd ever use vg10 at.
@CNYKnifeNut I have taken it as low as 15° per side at this point which is a bit lower than I typically go, but I'm willing to take it lower if that's what it takes to get a good result with it. I realize that I am leaving performance on the table by not taking it lower, but for the most part I have been happy with the performance I get from my 18° per side edge bevels that I usually go for. At least until this VG10 Stretch came along. More testing is needed before I'll feel comfortable making any assumptions about HT or publishing any of the film.
World's best steel, unless you want toughness, very fine edges, machinability, chemical resistance, low toxicity etc.
i know, just let me have this for a nice interesting youtube video title, just this once as a christmas treat 🥹🥹
Toxicity?
@@dylanemeraldgrey of our city?
@CedricAda what was the numbers of Maxamet and 15v?
@@dylanemeraldgreyhe's trying to say it's got vanadium/cobalt and they're toxic.
This is my favourite Guy Cutting Up Rope channel.
It's my *favorite*, too.
Pete, your videos are an oasis in knife content. I literally smile every time I see a new one available. Thanks for being you.
Agreed 👍
Also agree 👍 !
Same
5th witness here 👍🏻
Yellow t-shirt, we’re in for a good one fellas
You said it.
Hello Pete. I gave you a shout out on the last Project Farm budget knife comparison video and got a whopping 37 likes. I'm doing my part 🤘🏻😂🤘🏻
For what its worth, I like the cooking videos. But then again, cooking is what got me into knives to begin with.
lol, I got into cooking precisely to have actual reasons to cut things with knives🤝
@@snowhusk Ikr! Its weird that theres not more overlap. It would be nice if edc people cared more about feeding themselves (no better preparation than having that skill imo) and the cooking people would take some ques from the pocket knife crowd and realize that we have better things than VG10 now.
For anyone who has tried a chefs knife in super steel with a custom heat treat... Theres no way back from that one haha
Can't wait to see the re-Pete test your 17 degree edge! 🤣🤣🤣
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REX 121 to the max! 😎
Sadist !
Jesus - the difference in sharpening maxanet vs rex 121 is an exercise is masochism. I've been slowly working on the 121 when I want to feel like I've made all the wrong choices in life over the past couple of weeks and it's just not worth it when comparing it to maxanet. I consider maxanet a pleasure. Rex 121 is finally the point where I decided there is in fact a steel I hate to sharpen.
@@monstersbox diamonds ?
The cat metal scream at the end gets me every time 😂
This steel and their use of it is just the perfect marriage, well done Spyderco...again! Also I loved the cooking video, keep being you sir!
My arm hurts, i need a nap and ive only watched the film once.
Bravo! Well played young man!
I did a card board cut test on mine and I quit after 1100 feet and there was absolutely no degradation so I called it and lost interest and that was on the factory edge. I've never had a steel be it custom or production go 1000ft and not show any signs of falling off, even steels like k390 in a custom I made at 66.5rc 3 inch fixed blade I made that is 8thou bte only went around 900ft before I could start feeling and seeing slight signs of degradation spyderco absolutely knocked it out the park on this heat treat protocol, incredible work for a large production knife!
Agreed. When mine came in it was pretty sharp. Not ssSCREAMING sharp, but very sharp. I also realized I had no stones that would sharpen a steel 70+hrc lol (since remedied as I've wanted some diamond "stones" anyway).
I do have diamond infused stropping solutions, so I put a freaking bangin mirror polish on the edge.
Other than wiping it off, the edge/mirror hasn't budged even a bit in the over a month I've been carrying it.
Granted, I've only cut pipe insulation, cardboard, foam, paper and the like, but still.
✌🏼🤘🏼
Awesome. Mine arrives tomorrow, woohoo. Thanks for your pain in going to the Max with Rex 121.
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As soon as I seen this steel drop I thought I’ll wait for the petes rope test before I believe it
You are a valuable asset to the knive community
We should start pitching in to a fund to support you once your arm stops working
Amazing steel. Amazing video. Next video please, " Sharpening REX 121 ".😮😢😅😊
Yes freehand using only toilet ceramics.
I just love your knife tests. Don't be afraid to re test some of the classics
Merry Christmas Bricky 😮✌️
Thank for your sacrifice and happy holidays!
Hope they do the dragonfly with this steel. Would never have to sharpen it
That is some seriously impressive edge retention!
Merry Christmas Bricky 🎄😊 Hey Pete.
All your videos are great! Thanks for all the entertainment.
....."in a world.....where order has succumb to chaos.....and sisal rope rules all. One man, with a knife.....is humanity's last hope."😅
Sir, I regret that I cannot give your comment the 10,000 'likes' it deserves.
But no doubt in time, they will come.
@tombrown4683 😊
Thank you for sacrificing your joints and tendons for our entertainment and enlightenment
This is very impressive for a factory edge, keep up the good work !
Autistic Slicing Challenge incoming 😄 Can't wait for that refined edge video to be honest. See you again Pete 🙋 Merry Christmas for you and the rest of the folks in this comment section 👍
The fact you only have 76k+ subs is insane. You deserve 10x that for what you do for the knife community brother. One day…one day……
Joining patreon as a thank you for this test/video/effort! Well done!
Good job Pete, doing the Lord's work once again. I got rid of a Sage 5 during a knife purge a couple years back and I miss it. This might be a replacement. Good job Spyderco as well.
Totally getting James Earl Jones as Thulsa Doom "The Riddle of Steel" vibes here at 1:44
Insane performance. May have to pick one up on the secondary market
What a performance. Wow!
A gentleman and a scholar! Now go nurse that forearm back to health.
I don’t really understand why these videos are entertaining, but they are.
This was the first Spyderco that I actually got the day of release and it really is wild. Lucky it came in a Sage because if it were a Golden/Seki City model I wouldn't be looking forward to having to reprofile this thing (on that note, wish there were more evergreen/non-collab models made in Taiwan in general). Great vid man, always excited when I see one of yours pop up in my sub feed.
This reminds me of my old, very used Spyderco Maxamet blade. It never stopped cutting paper, even when it got some tiny chips in it - it only became toothier and wanted to bite into the paper more, but not stop slicing it. Even the small chips acted more like serrations.
Got the 121 Sage earlier in the year. Great little piece. Very, very nice factory edge.
Thought it might do well but that's pretty insane.
Great vid. Thx. You make it difficult to argue that these steels are not worth the scratch. 🔥🐈⬛🔥
Always enjoy your cut tests!
Happy that I was able to find my Rex 121 mako, good stuff as always!
Fine I will watch the cooking video
0:00 heart instantly melted 🥹
UA-cam has ended...these cut tests will be continued on the next platform...but the good news is, they ARE shorter than a gov't committee hearing, and more informative.
Man I've been waiting for this one! I reprofiled mine to 14° per side and it was hands down the worst sharpening experience ever. It just takes so long to even make minor progress on the edge.
Classic Pete returns with a vengeance !
Although, the vengeance seems to be on you, Pete. Must have been pretty negative numbers on that last one to provoke this !
Guess everyone doesn't enjoy the Pete cooking show as much as I do !
Thanks for the 'self abuse' for blade steel science !
You just got an extra view, like and comment on your previous video my friend
Love my Native 5 in Cruwear...but I may have to buy one of those after Christmas 🦉
You bring us pleasure through your pain in these tests, man. I'm not saying you should hurt yourself in the cooking vids, but who knows, maybe this is the key to stardom :D
Ledburites get some pretty weird eutectic mixtures in the ultra-high carbon 'steel' where the alloy constituents are all very close to completely melting and getting some very homogeneous structures. Course the real challenge comes when you're sharpening them as they can have some fragility and might not always support a very acute edge compared to materials that have inherent toughness and flexibility.
So if you put your 17deg edge on it, there would maybe have a better ultimate sharpness requiring less pressure to cut, but at the cost of some wear resistance. Like the Rex121 used in cutting and milling bits for machines with obtuse edges (compared to a knife) and they practically don't get blunt being jammed into spinning lumps of metal, they're more likely to just 'fail' in the sense that the edge chips out or some kind of catastrophic breakage occurs when some gronk spins them up too fast or the feed rate is too high.
Welp, my Rex121 Sage came with a factory edge angle of 15°/16°, so I wouldn't worry about a 17° edge. In fact, it might fare worse than the factory edge, unless you go with 15°. Behind the edge thickness was around 20 thou, by the way. Just a fantastic job by Spyderco ... and of course Pete!
The finish on it is like a # 36 - # 60 that’s been heavily buffed. No surprises why. 😂
I got one recently…it took 14 minutes to reprofile on Atoma # 140 from stock to ~6°ps and 1 minute to apex a ~ 15°ps micro.
Side note, while people have been showing Rex121 scratching/cutting glass as a party trick , Maxamet also does the same. I cut up a coffee jar to see.
It sharpens easy, no real difference to Maxamet. Reprofile takes a little longer but still only 14 minutes.
Edit: another thing about rex121, it takes a really nice mirror polish. _Really_ nice.
i subscribe to this channel because it combines knives, colorful shirts, and xenoblade music. it's like looking into a mirror.
00:23 Proto Dome - Chrono Trigger 🎶😎
Thanks Peter! You sweat for us. What a great result. I have a normal Sage 5 compression. 🎸🔪
A proper knife video?! It’s a Christmas miracle!!! Love ya Pete, good on ya!
Ok, I think that proves your point. Good steel-ish. Doesn't it get a bit hot in that shed? It is summer you know.
Btw, your pocket was mesmerising.
Thank you Pete 😊. That was what I wanted to see.
tendonitis speed run
Thank you for your hard work and effort
6:15 totally agree, burnt orange sucks as a handle color
The course diamond wheel on the Tormek T8 is perfect for this steel. 360 grain & a quick strop puts a nasty toothy sharp edge on it & it just doesn't stop cutting.
Absolutely disgusting edge retention.
A REX-121 shaman would be the T I T S
Does cut up sisal rope make good nest material for chickens?
Who needs the gym when you have this for a workout
See how it goes cutting through my back hairs. That would blunt it up pretty quick.
Rex Harrison approves ☺️
I have had my Rex 121 sage for a few weeks now, and it has been hard for me to find an excuse for another folder in the pocket! The K390 Leafjumper finally knocked it off it's pedestal a few days ago 😂
Ive been eagerly awaiting this vid.
This is going to be a challenge to sharpen. Looking forward to that video.
Thank you Pete!!
Haha "Enthusiautist" first I've heard that one
_I'd be removing the pocket clip before these extended cut test sessions just for max comfort!_
_Interesting video indeed! Cannot wait to see what it does with a new edge!_
Around the 17 minute mark I started hearing people saying "mercy" from Brave Heart in my brain lol
I wonder what grit the factory edge was sharpened to? I have been playing with more course grits on very thin flat and hollow grinds with Cru Wear and D2 recently and getting good results with a longer lasting toothier bite on the edge. I've also caught myself a few times on very, very fine grit edges and experienced the cuts you can't feel, until the secondary pain kicks in. Is that relevant, probably not. I just feel it helps me to understand better than I used to.
Absolutely INF***INGSANE. Great stuff Pete!!!💪💪
chrono Trigger OST in the first 5 mins. you get one like.
It's such an amazing knife & steel that I'm actually considering buying the LW after already owning the G10 version. It's insane how great Rex-121 on a Sage 5 is because the tip isn't super brittle like a clip point PM2.
I would also love a Rex-121 Manix 2 but a Sage 5 is what I call a "better Para 3". Sorry if that upsets some folks lol I just like it better.
Thanks for doing this arduous test 😆 you should prepare an ongoing best performance ranking list with the number of cuts.
This doesn't count. You willed it into its dullness. The sheer amount of cutting had you rooting against it. I smelled the hatred all the way in New Jersey 😂😂😂. Fr, good shit man. Can't wait to see what happens after you sharpen it 😅😅
I had to stop for a sports drink and a stick of jerky midway. God knows how you made it through Pete! 😮
17:42
WhaaaaaT?! Amazing.
🤯😵
I hope you don't get Nosferatu hand from cutting that much rope at once. My hand is sore from just watching. Take care and happy holidays to you and your family!
Awesome thanks pete
Cool! Looking forward to the PM2 version.
How is this possible. This steel is not even from the earth… :)
Cooking with Gas Mate❤ good stuff
At work, cutting through various materials, it was really just another steel. I thinned it out a bunch now, but im thinking that the benefits of these high edge retention steels is reduced when cutting various materials in a real world setting vs just one material
Great video and test, and my money is also in root vegetables and easy to do delicious cooking so. Game recognizes game. Also the orange handle just. Doesn't do it for me. However, the recent "Burgundy" run got me right in the aesthetical solar plexus and I have 3 of them now, and the steel is fun too. Happy slicing, and holidays (whatever they may be!)
Merry Christmas pete! Now i "need" some rex 121 in my life though s90v is doing just fine right now lol.
Pete what do you think about Cronidur 30 steel?
Love the Sage 5
In the next video, you should see how many garden to table hash browns it can cut through.
My attention span is too short for this steel. I had to keep fast forwarding. How good are the stainless properties of REX121? Thanks for this video Pete!!
would not be super flash with the limited chromium present
@@CedricAda THANKS for the reply, Pete! Happy Holidays to you and your family!!!
You should test vancron superclean. Newish bohler steel. 10 percent vanadium. It contains nitrogen (forming nitrides) like magnacut. Obviously with significant difference.
Real world for me is boxes, and yeah, my Maxamet outshines my other steels. Might have to get one of these. It’s fun to occasionally here old timers say “ that’s gonna dull your knife” to which I can reply, yup, but not anytime soon lol
What do you do with the all them rope shavings?
How are the ergos on the sage for non-testing cutting?
I got the frn version.but I'm not gonna try and recreate that one.looked brutal but amazing!!
That stuff is pretty amazing
Alright, you've convinced me
Love these tests BUT... I'm alergic to sisal! If I was there with you I'd be sneezing my eyeballs off!😂
All that shredded sisal 🤐😶🌫
Jesus effing Christ. A knife in this steel could last... A life time? I mean how many knives has someone legit sharpened into oblivion.
I still have to sharpen mine everyday when I get home. I think the rope tests are a bit deceiving.
Spyderco made our man delirious with their Rex121! What performance! Thanks Pete!
I'm filming a sisal rope cut test over on my channel with a Spyderco Stretch in VG10 and can't get it to cut more than 125 times through the rope no matter what angle I put the edge. I have put probably 5 or 6 edges on it by now and it's got me all twisted up. I want to believe I'm doing something wrong and VG10 is really capable stuff, but I have gotten extremely good results from other steels on different knives. Any ideas UA-cam comment section?
How low have you gone?
The only thing keeping vg10 relevant (to my uses) is it's ability to take super acute edges. I keep my q-ball sub-10dps, and use it as a bench knife.
Assuming it's not a HT issue, there's no reason you can't take it down to 12ish degrees. I suggested 15 in your initial video, but that's more obtuse than I'd ever use vg10 at.
@CNYKnifeNut I have taken it as low as 15° per side at this point which is a bit lower than I typically go, but I'm willing to take it lower if that's what it takes to get a good result with it. I realize that I am leaving performance on the table by not taking it lower, but for the most part I have been happy with the performance I get from my 18° per side edge bevels that I usually go for. At least until this VG10 Stretch came along.
More testing is needed before I'll feel comfortable making any assumptions about HT or publishing any of the film.
Waiting for the testing with your edge on it