"DWADE was NEVER on James Harden's level in his NBA career"
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DWade will be the most underrated superstar. The more time goes on the more people will downplay how insane he was
He will be the Clyde Drexler of the 2000s.
As a Wade fan... Yes it's true unfortunately.
Even while he played he was underrated.
A ring and averaged 30PPG before LeBron and before scoring became so crazy.
Bro stop it this is not the majority take yall tweakin. Notice how everyone but Jeff Teague is arguing that his point is dumb. Stop with this dumb overrated underrated bs y’all keep talkin bout
the most underrated superstar? how about tim duncan
@@Agent_Apostle I think it is the majority of younger fans who feel that way.
Something about a podcast mic… making dudes say anything
It’s called the No Jumper effect 😅😅
no ANY kinda mic…….
@@EvoDidThat right cuz these rappers do the same shit in that booth lol
Mic or not, people think what they think whether right or wrong
@@romeano4882bullseye!!!!
Dwade and Harden aren't even a comparison. Prime Dwade had to face the most talented era of shooting guards the league has ever seen (in my opinion). He is arguably the greatest blocking guard of all time and was an elite defender the majority of his career. Even though he had Shaq, he did a carry job to a championship in 2006. The Heatles were seen as one the greatest team ever assembled, even though Harden has had teams that should've had a similar impact. Harden had mostly above average if not elite supporting casts his entire career and has nothing close to those Heat teams.
The rockets were the only team that could go toe to toe with the warriors. No other team could compete with them in a series
@@gotworcthat’s bc the rockets were a well constructed team
I like how you didn’t even mention the word offense when typing this cuz yk harden got em beat in every facet except finishing at the rim. You also didn’t mention the context of these “elite” situations when he got traded by the thunder and the nets didn’t work because they were never on the court at the same time.
And how you gon say these teams never were close to the heat when they literally played each other in the finals💀
@@chilldyltv7305 lol tryna count the 2012 thunder when harden was coming off the bench is embarrassing.
The Dwade hate is crazy only because of his personal life people won’t saying this shit back then he’s clearly top 3 shooting guard
his celebrity self totally overshadowed how insane he was on the court
Nah, I can seperate the two. Dwade is the 3rd greatest SG in history behind MJ and Kobe, but yeah, it's wierd what he's doing to his son.
@@GG-jn9fxhow so? It seems you’re the one’s obsessed with his personal i see people bringing it up again and again. Truly weirdos
@@leroyrodgers6089what is he doing to his child exactly? He’s doing nothing but supporting his child’s identity if you mad at Wade for not being a total bigot then that’s on you
DWade gets hate for being an accepting and loving father. What a world we live in.
Even if your anti-trans (which you shouldn't be, it's not your business) it's DEFINITELY not your business to tell another man how he should raise his child. Jfc.
Dwade was never on the same level as Harden......because DWade was on levels higher than Harden ever was, is, or will ever be. It's Wade county for a damn reason. #3
Let's not be stupid either. Excluding rings, Harden has objectively had a better career and better stats and impact on the game. Harden is pretty close to Wade.
@@YouScareMe1 Offensively, I would agree. But D Wade was LEAGUES above Harden in terms of defense. Wade is unfortunately the better player. As much as I, a Rockets fan, want Harden to be better.
@@robbiedontmissHarden levels better than wade bro y’all old heads stick in Yall ways . Harden offensive is so good outweighs wade defense. That’s like comparing curry to wade
@@YouScareMe1you have lost your mind… do you realize the league D Wade was in?
@@EndThinkingnigga are you crazy… D Wade is the better player… he’s more athletic, a better defender both on and off ball, better post player, won more, and was competing with greater greats lol… james was never considered the best in the world… something d wade was lol
The D wade disrespect has been going on since harden was with rockets. It’s wild to me that people are calling harden better than wade, wade has been the best player on a championship team the 2006 Miami heat.
I’m a whole harden fan and even ik dwade is #3🤦🏽♂️harden is #4 fasho thoo
He was the best player on the 2010 nba finals miam heat team with an early prime Bron
@Hidalgoes and he lost with LeBron on his team so that should be a negative
@@lukacostanza5793 yea bro I’m saying he would’ve won if lebron wasn’t on his team for that final’s series. Wade’s 2010 finals is still one of the highest rated advanced metrics finals performances ever and pundits lists generally have it ranked as an all time performance
@@Hidalgoes2011 but yea it is. LeBron truly sold that finals
I never understood why people called the rockets trash. Obviously they weren’t as good as the warriors but it was constructed in a way for Harden to dominate. Harden’s a generational talent but over Dwade is crazy, he could never do what Dwade did in 06
Yeah but prime wade missed playoffs in his prime
@@snupedummy Prime Wade did something prime Harden never did which was lead his team to an NBA Championship
@@BostonBori92thank you bruh
@@BostonBori92and Prime Wade wouldve also got his ass beat by the Warriors. I think Wade is better but using a championship as the reason when Harden had to go against a crazy dynasty doesn’t make sense to me.
@@BigSalmon13 What doesnt make sense is yall calling James Harden that dude and constantly giving him excuses for his failures 😂 If your that GUY you get it done he didn't but hes the 3rd best SG ever 🤣🤣🤣
"Harden is better than Dwade because he led his teams to Conference Finals" My brother in Christ, D-Wade was leading his team to a Finals CHAMPIONSHIP at what, his 2nd, 3rd season? Bro won a Finals MVP by outplaying Shaquille O'Neal and Dirk Nowitzki. Bro was already an all-time great before making a superteam with LeBron. Harden with Not one, not Two, but Three Superteams can't even get to a Finals, let alone win
The disrespect for DWADE is crazy! People are clearly forgetting how good Prime FLASH was!
Lebron effect.
@@manz7860nah, has none to do with Lebron people just have idiot takes, wade literally won a ring in his 3rd season and was an MVP candidate the season before bron came, ppl just say anything bro
One thing good that's come out of the podcast era is exposing how dudes who played in the league are more biased than the damn fans
That's what I be saying this new athlete media era is nothing but ego boosting for alot of them.They doin the same stuff they cried that regular media was doing which is creating narratives.These guys hide behind being ppl who "played the game" to get away with saying foolish shit and to protect the player brotherhood.Only thing I get resourceful from them is behind the scenes situations they deal with but on court info no I'm good I watch basketball very intensely I understand it very well
Did he seriously say harden was getting to conference championships and dwade wasn’t doing anything till lebron like dwade ain’t win a ring before lebron😂 ain’t no way, I musta heard him wrong or something
Harden was in a Dantoni system. Dantoni is known for a high powered fast pace offense. Harden literally had the green light to do whatever. Harden also didn’t play defense like Wade. Harden also had CP3 and Westbrook.
Wade had Bron, Chris Bosh and Shaq lmao.
@@toshirohitsugaya857you’re just looking at name value he played with a declining Shaq who was still solid but was not as dominant as he once was in 2006, if you want to go by hall of Famers Harden has played with significantly more hofs than Wade for his career.
Harden didn’t play his whole career under dantoni🤯🤯🤯
@@deetheoriginal3117”name value” bro it’s fuckin lebron James😭
@@deetheoriginal3117 I didn't say Harden didn't have help, but saying that Harden had "CP3 and Westbrook" like Wade never had help is crazy.
I used to think this back when i thought harden had an actual chance of being a fmvp at some point saying this in 2024 is crazy
James harden is a walking choking hazard
Nah that narrative needs to stop 🛑 he was the scape goat for the okc team
The only game they won in the finals he had 19 and 5
@@mathjones5845 so brooklyn never happened then?
@@mathjones5845bro there’s literally a choke in EVERY single season he made the playoffs
@@somregularguyCompletely false. Your just another idiot who follows narratives that the media creates and believe them to be all true.
@@mariocardenas1833he wasn't injured??
The things that separates Harden from Kobe & Wade is the playoffs and defense. The types of chokes Harden has had in the playoffs can't allow him to be greater than those 2 players I mentioned. He has the numbers to compete but what do numbers mean if you can't get the job done in the most important moments?
He has better elimination game stats than both of them even with three years off the bench. All these things come with context. Yes he has had some flameouts but everybody has and in his case, he had to face teams that he didn’t really have a chance of beating, not to mention his best players would get injured, making impossible to win. Kobe and Wade never really had that issue, there was no Warriors to prevent them from going to the finals, or Shaq and Lebron didn’t get injured when they needed them. It all comes with context man.
@@johny8241 Harden Pandering to the max. Here’s your context
14: Was Favored over the Blazers and shot under 40% for the series & misses a defensive matchup in Game 6 for dame to hit the final game winning shot.
15: Quit in game 6 of the clippers series and got benched. The role players forced game 7 without him
Against the warriors had a playoff record of most TO in a game(12)
16: Team was losing game 3 vs warriors and was asleep on the sideline
17: lost to the spurs in game 5 with Kawhi leaving the game inured
Lost to the spurs in game 6 without Kawhi playing period. While having a stat line of 10pts on 22% from the field 6 fouls and 6 TO
19: Lost to the warriors without KD playing in game 6 of the Semifinals
22: Doesn’t attempt a single FG in the 2nd half of game 6 of the Semifinals against the heat
23:Chokes in Game 6 & Game 7 vs the celtics when they are up 3-2.
@@johny8241elimination game stats is a cherry picked stat so if you actually watch the games harden literally folds in elimination games
@@JyMaster1 Why don't u mention the context? 15: he didnt quit vs clippers, they were losing and then the bench started making a come back so the coach didnt sub them out. Harden scored 31 i game 7 and won them the series. 16: He lost the series but scored the game winner in game 3. 17: He had a concussion for game 5 &6. 19. He averaged 35ppg on 44/35/82 but lost because CP3 only had 16ppg. In 22 and 23 Harden isnt the same guy he was in his peak. No one talks about Wade after lebron left miami so why bring this up? Stop blindly hating ad regurgitating ESPN non sense, He has a better TS% than both Wade and Kobe in the playoffs for his career. Just because the media focuses more on his losses doest mean hes actually bad.
@@Tb-gz4qt hey wya now? What’s you’re excuse for game 5 and 6 vs the mavs?
The D Wade slander is fucking insane at this point. Fuck the regular season. Let’s just look at the playoffs and compare their most memorable moments. D Wades achievements and feats dwarfs Hardens so bad it’s not even funny 😒🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Jeff said “before lebron got there” like WADE DIDNT WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP😤😤
He did with shaq averaging 26 then they went on a 4year skid
@@mathjones5845check again. Shaq ain’t average 26 the year they won the chip nor after so try again
@@mathjones5845Shaq was non existent in the finals Alonzo Mourning was actually more useful at times so don’t even
@@mathjones5845🧢 Shaq averaging 26?? Where you get that math from? Last I checked Shaq in the regular season average 20 in the regular season and 13 in the Finals
@@mathjones5845Shaq averaged 13 in that series 😂
Jeff is the same guy that said drake and Michael jackson are on the same level singing 😂
They kinda are mike couldn’t sing like that💯😭
@@Dipset415 this why drugs are good for u
@@Suge8263 😭mike beyonce Elton John Wayne newton madonna James brown😭there’s plenty of icon level singers who can’t sing🤓
@@Dipset415 bro u sound like dumb my dude with all disrespect.
@@Dipset415 u don't know what u talking about
Teague said it himself. Hawks were a rival to Miami. Hence the bias
He’s said himself he was pissed off he never beat lebron in a playoff series lmao
Please talk about it. The d wade slander has been going on for a min. Getting old where we start sounding like the old heads
If Dwade is not #3 on your top shooting guards of all time list then your wrong, it’s not an opinion it’s a fact
Only argument for Wade is 0.2 blocks better than harden and rings. 2 of which were with the lebron dream team. Never had to go against prime warriors like harden. Harden clears in ppg, apg, rpg, 3pt% and has an mvp along with three 2nd place mvp seasons. Wade has never finished above 3rd in mvp voting and only reached that level in 2 seasons. I love Wade but harden has passed him for the #3 sg all time.
No the hell he hasn't. Harden was the most ball dominant shooting guard ever in his prime, literally. Two people have usage rate seasons above 40, one is James, and one is Russell Westbrook. James had the ball in his hands more and as such got to shoot more. He also played for Mike Dantoni, who's offense is literally give the ball to the best guard on the team and run everything through them. Dwade had high usage years, but his highest would be third highest for Harden. He also got to shoot more and had better shooters to pass the ball to, which naturally resulted in more assists. Also, saying he outdoes Harden by 0.2 blocks is so fundamentally dishonest it's effectively equivalent to saying Harden outdoes Dwade by 2 ppg for their careers. Which is true, but ignores that Dwade has one scoring title and one 30 ppg season and Harden has 30, 36, and 34 ppg seasons in back to back seasons. Dwade is the best blocking shooting guard of all time. Harden isn't close to Dwade at all, with him having 285 more blocks in 16 less games. In fact, the points comparison isn't even good because Dwade has 23k points to hardens 25k points, again, in less games, so Dwade's block record is actually more favorable to him than points is to Harden. The only one that's that favorable to him is 3 pointers, where he has more 3 pointers made than Dwade has attempted.
The simple fact of the matter is that, despite having less personal accolades, Dwade has had a more successful career, withJames having more help, with Dwades offense being closer to Harden's than Hardens defense was to Dwade's defense, especially when you account for free throws (Harden has 7651 ftm to Dwade's 5708, which is a difference nearly equal to their total career point discrepancy, and Harden's additional games over Dwade gets rid of nearly half of the remaining point total between the two, down to a difference of about 350 points), their teammates, the system they played in, their usage, etc.
@@danieldaw1778 we can pick and choose statistics all day long. I can say how harden came off the bench his first 3 years. You bring up FT’s as a negative against harden while wade shot 97 FT’s in his first finals series. There’s nothing we can say to convince the other. I favor harden and you favor Wade. Both are incredible players
@Captainaceguy00 Its not picking and choosing statistics. I literally just contextualized the stats you brought up to argue Harden is better than Dwade. It's not my fault you wanna omit some pretty key explanatory variables like the make difference between Harden and Dwade's scoring output was ft, guards were basically being gifted rebounds so they could run the break better during his prime, Harden had the ball in his hands more than Dwade, and he played under the coach who's most known for inflating the statistics of whoever the best guard on his roster was. And not without reason, every single one of Harden's best seasons came during D'Antoni's stint as the Rockets Head coach. Before D'antoni, James averaged 27, 6.6, and 5.4 as a rocket. With D'antoni, James averaged 32.4, 8.8, and 6.7. After D'antoni, James has averaged 20.6, 9.9, and 6.6. Basically, his shots, touches, and usage went way up under D'antoni, then he at some point James decided he no longer wanted to be a shooting guard and has effectively been a point guard for the past 3 seasons since he left Houston.
Either way, seems kinda weird to me that you're only superficially willing to argue James is better based on statistics and accolades but as soon as someone presses you on the statistics you turtle up. Though I gotta say, the weirdest thing imo is why you stop at Dwade. If, like you, ignore everything but offense, statistical output, and MVP votes, Harden clears Kobe as well. Kobe has a higher career point total and average, but James had a higher peak on way better efficiency (James's best scoring seasons at 36, 34, 30, and two 29 ppg seasons, Kobe'sate 35, 31, 30, and two 28 ppg seasons), way more assists and a lot more rebounds, with more steals and blocks for his career. James has 4 top 2 finishes and one 3rd place finish in MVP votes while Kobe has 2 top 2 finishes and 3 3rd place finishes. By the same logic you're using to justify James over Dwade, Harden also clears Kobe.
Jerry
Anybody who thinks Harden is better than Wade obviously only watches offense.
DWade is so disrespected, he’s criminally underrated
Wade is closer to Kobe than Harden is to Wade
Ion know bout that now….but to each his own
Harden offensive is arguably the best ever , he went from dunk king on ppl breaking ankles half court step backs threes , barely missed mid range and elite passer , the only thing not keeping him above dwade is good defense and a chip , everything else harden CLEARS. By a long shot , he is one of the best 3pt shooters EVER right behind curry got check his records and stats
@@misftxx well the defense, the chip oh and he doesnt play like that at all in the playoffs lol hes arguably one of the worst offensively in the playoffs whereas wade is one of the best postseason performers ever.
Peak wise for sure and people really underrate Wade’s peak
Harden's peak was when he was gimmicking his way to the free throw line.
Wade was a top 5 player in the league in seasons 06, 09, 10, 11
Harden was a top 5 player in the league in seasons 15, 18, 19 and 20. arguably 14 and 17
2014 for harden is a stretch. You can argue at least 5-7 players being better in 2014. Not saying everyone I list IS top 5 just saying you can argue they were better than Harden was in 2014.
Obvious picks:
Lebron
KD
Russ
CP3
Demarcus Cousins
The following players you'd have maybe a 50/50 debate on:
Anthony Davis
Kahwi Leonard
Andre Iguodala
Steph Curry
Carmelo Anthony
John Wall
Paul George
To be clear, I think Harden in 2014 was around top 7-10. The players in the second list are not necessarily better than 2014 Harden, but I think an argument can be made (for some more than others). The first list alone places Harden at #6.
The results speak for themselves, Dwyane’s game is championship worthy, James is a weak minded dude, he flamed out damn near every year lol
@@Cojitar idk about cousins, Great player at his peak but idk about top 5, AD Kawhi are not until 2015 and 2016
@@SkodenMOC I know AD and Kahwi aren't top 5, but you can definitely argue AD was better than harden. Kawhi is a huge stretch ngl.
@@MaximusR93Not fair to count championships since Wade's amiami had two of arguably the top 5-10 players in the league on the same team.
Harden's team went up against what some people consider the greatest basketball team ever assembled.
I don't think anyone believes Wade is beating that Warriors team.
Oh nah that title is upsetting
The Lebron fans have finally done it they have diminished Wade so much that people believe Harden was so far above Wade.
It's crazy to me how bosh and love are treated like 15ppg pieces that lebron had to carry.
@@manz7860 Them too. They are so diminished. Amazing players
Teague need to stick to telling funny stories
Harden is great, but he can compete for the # 4 spot with Jerry West. Wade is better than Harden, because he shows up in the playoffs.
That bag talk is useless
lmaooo ong im so sick of hearing it
@@GG-jn9fx Harden isn’t on Wades level. It’s quite pathetic
and it's funny how leading a team to success(the point of the sport) doesn't seem to matter anymore, just the bag
lance stephenson should be a god then, dudes bag is deeper than the mariana trench
@@vinicius1453or Ben Simmons bag 💼 lmao
Give me Wade over harden every day
DWade led the league in scoring the season before Bron got there. When Miami won the chip Flash was arguably the best 2 guard in the league behind Kobe.
You have to address the fact that this is a negative by-product of forming a superteam.
Lebron doesn’t even acknowledge DWade’s contributions during those championship runs with Bron and Bosh and that is the source of this disrespect.
DWade disrespect is insane
Sorry but that title pissed me off so ik they on some wild sh!t
Imagine saying a guy who has one move is better then a all around player with a few championships is wild. Wade literally carried the heat to that championship
I'm sorry but that 06 championship run is arguably one of the greatest ever at least in my life time
Wade was on a mission.
D wade, even if you put aside his championship in ‘06, is easily a better player than Harden. This dude could get anywhere on the floor and had some of the most crazy athleticism of his time. I think it was him, LeBron, and Kobe from 2006 to 2010 as the best players in the league other than the year he was out with injury. Dwade could also lock you down on the defensive end, which Harden never could do. Harden is low key a loser, Kobe was accurate saying his style would never win a championship. The late great Mamba has been correct so far, and I don’t imagine that’ll change this year either. D Wade comfortably over Harden.
09 and our 10 roster was NOT good… 45 and 47 wins from Wade alone is exceptional
Dog, Wade was the best player on a championship team in his THIRD SEASON!! THIRD SEASON!!!! Wade gets forgotten cause he played at the same time as Kobe who played the same position. Wade was a LOCKDOWN defender, jump out the gym athlete, and one of the deadliest slashers EVER
This title is clickbait lol
Ring less foul merchant 😂😂😂
2 great players with different skill set. It depends on how u look at it. If ur looking at pure scoring, playmaking, mvp then u might say Harden is better. But if ur looking at defense, athletism, 3 rings then u might say Wade is better.
Is this even up for discussion?!?! Harden doesn’t deserve to be in the same sentence as Wade County.
Let's not forget, Wade has the most blocks as a guard in NBA history.
As a 6'4 guard mind you.
People say ANYTHING these days. Get Dwyane Wade's name out your mouth
Better scorer yes
Better player No
I’ll take a Dwayne wade over James harden in a heart beat
Every time people compare DWade and Harden someone undermine Harden's playoff choking and then talk about defense with the same importance as dribbling or looking cool when you score.
Everyone’s numbers would be inflated in Dantoni system he just jacks your usage rate up and puts shooters around u with no defensive schemes. If they were making their threes they’d win but then they go through stretches where they can’t make any threes and lose horribly.
wade is the undisputed 3rd best SG of all time. cant believe this has become a point of contention
Oh dnt ignore the fact about 35-40% of hardens points came from the FT line back then
Saw the thumbnail and was interested to see what people looked like after they smoked crack…don’t understand how anyone could make that take otherwise 😂.
dwade and harden are some of my favorite players ever and i hate these comparisons, harden and wade not close imo but i will say harden is solid at 4 I don’t see any other 2guard I can put above him. Not even iverson
Clyde🤨
@@Dipset415 has an argument I’d take harden tho
He had Jeremy Lin, Dwight Howard, Westbrook, Chris Paul, Chandler Parsons
You really tried to sneak in Chandler lol
@@VoltageMarvelhe was solid for them
@@VoltageMarvelcasual
People Started disrespecting Wade career Every Since He Gave that 9 in the dunk contest and his Child transition situation was made public now ppl talk like he was a scrub...smh
Ok what does the way he live his life have to do with you?
@@SethRollinsTheGoat Fxck Face it doesn't I said Ppl do or was that to compex to understand??
I like the untold stories that these NBA players tell, but in return, we get these sorry ass takes...
WADE CARRIED HIS TEAM IN THE FINALS PUT ON A JORDAN LIKE PERFORMANCE AND HES 2WAY PLAYER 3RD BEST SG ALLTIME IM OUT ✌️
Give guys a mic and they say anything 😂😂😂
Not a great video. 1:25 Who brought up this point? "Just because you don't know the names", "He played with a bunch of nobodies" Teague didn't say this; Harden fans don't? MOST would say he had a great supporting cast, why did Low bring this up? 2:18 qualifies no disrespect and brings up team success, which feeds Lows' narrative, but then, at 2:35, he qualifies with "He (Dwade) was nasty". Which Low seems to take as disrespect? 3:02 Low then brings up basketball reference, why? Teague never said DWade was bad; he's saying he's worse compared to James Harden. Looking at Dwade's stats alone provides no context for this comparison and is even disingenuous. As IF you just look at basketball reference alone... James Harden has better stats, easily. Career +6 rTS for Harden versus +1 rTS for DWade (If I take out his 15-18 seasons it raises to +3rTS but... I shouldn't have to do this). Even evoking relative true shooting I'm wiping away how much more efficient Harden was compared to DWade, career 61 TS% versus 55 TS%.
A LOT of this video's counterargument was predicated on team success and team OFFENSIVE identity. Why do we need to wipe away or discredit James Harden's team success or his contribution to Houston's offense? Did DWade not play next to Shaq, next to arguably the greatest player of all time, Lebron, and next to CBosh? Do we have to live in a world of hypotheticals where DWade never gets injured, is the focal point of an offense like Harden was in Houston, played 5 out? What is the point of this video? NO ONE Discredited Dwayne Wade. All that was expressed was that when Jeff Teague faced off against James Harden, he felt his AURA more than DWade! Teague didn't disrespect DWade; when Teague played DWade, he already had his knee injury, and when he played Harden, Harden was DOMINATING the league.
To argue anything else evaporates the context of this video-Jeff Teagues assessment of their play.
People got to go back and look at his first chip and look at his stats one of the greatest finals performances ALL TIME
7:30 I felt that fr 😂
Low thank u so much bro, this video was NEEDED!!!!!
Hey Low, What’s the worst take u heard so far in 2024?
they are shitting on wade to prop up their boss lebron.
they wanna wash over the fact that wade was on par with kobe and lebron when the big 3 heat joined forces.
wade was a true monster, harden just exploited a loophole for a few years.
I don’t think people realize who D Wade was. His first Finals appearance, he puts up Jordan numbers against the Mavs. Shaq was inconsistent and was hurt in that series and he had to step up. Go look at what Harden did in his first Finals just having to be a 6th Man. Harden is talented no question. But one guy stepped up when it was time. And it wasn’t Harden
It’s because wade is only remembered for playing for playing with Lebron. Only the ones who watched know about him. He’s like what Clyde Drexler is to the old heads. They know how good he was but you never really hear his name come up in many conversations today.
Bingo.
You’re right!!! D Wade wasn’t on Hardens level because he was BETTER THAN HARDEN BY FAR!!! Dribbling all game long and traveling across the world doesn’t make Harden a better player than Wade.
Harden is trash, dude ain’t been the same since that Houston offensive because of Dantoni 😂😂😂 Kobe told that fool he wasn’t winning
I watched Wade before Shaq and I watched him before Bron,Wade could score with Harden while playing top tier defense,and if you watched Wade before Bron you know exactly why Bron wanted to play with him,he was a top 5 player every season and carried them bk down 2-1 in the Finals
Jeff & Gil’s pod is where the flunkies go
Don't forget Harden is the first player yet with 3 scoring titles & 2 assist titles. Plus he should have won back to back MVPs. Also, Harden is a game changer.
As a scorer or as an all around basketball player would be my question 🤔
Yet D-Wade led his team to a chip in his third year. Remember when NBA discourse wasn’t this wild!
Harden teammates Dwight Howard Westbrook cp3 kd embid Kyrie Lou Williams no rings 1 finals appearance
Wade shaq(past his prime ) Lebron bosh. 3 rings
What Dwade did in the 2006 finals and his 08-09 season is superior to any version of Harden easy! And he’s arguably the best shot blocking guard all time right there with MJ.
Wade did it on both sides of the court, was just as impressive as Kobe on the Olympic team & had one of the greatest NBA finals performances ever.
Harden was nice because of a system & NBA rule changes, Harden started his NBA career coming off the bench, don’t ever disrespect “Flash” like that.
I agree with your take just the point of 3pt shooters wasn’t really relevant because teams were taking as many 3’s during those years Wade was by himself
Weren’t*
I have one word... playoffs
Iso Joe Johnson❤❤❤
Dwade KG and Duncan getting disrespected on a regular at least kobe got his cult that defends him
Top 3 shooting guards all time… Jordan, Kobe, wade that is unanimous
Harden and AI fighting for 4th but I would give the nod to Harden even tho some people may not like that… resumes are really close both have an mvp and a bunch of scoring titles… harden is more efficient but he played in a more spaced league….
Harden is about 5 inches taller and gets twice as many rebounds while getting the same volume scorer and probably better facilitating aswell….
After those 2 which round out the top 5 then you got a bunch of players
Ray Allen, reggie, Clyde, klay Thompson, Devin booker, etc etc etc….
MJ hate came
Kobe hate came
Of course DWade hate had to come
This era of fans are full of Shhht
The Greatest 3 (2 guards) of all time cant be matched so 🤡 s gotta belittle them to elevate the new class of players in modern era its sad AF
im saying man if you play with lebron your legacy will be tarnished fkd up but true
The Joe Johnson disrespect is wild.
Counting the dilapidated 2009 Miami Heat against Dwyane Wade also ignores that the team was intentionally bad so it could maintain enough cap flexibility to sign prime Chris Bosh and prime LeBron James the following offseason.
Jeff Teague saying that the Heat weren't very good before LeBron is like saying that the Spurs really sucked before getting Wemby. Yeah, they sucked on purpose.
Shoot Wade leading those Heat teams in 09 and 10 season to the playoffs even as a first round exit is impressive itself. He was playing with a washed Jermaine O’Neal, rookie Michael Beasley and Rio, UD, etc.. before the Big 3 era should not be ignored. Even Kobe after Shaq went to Miami had to face the same thing for a couple of years until Pau Gasol got there
Wade beat Harden in the Finals as well. People forget Harden choked against the Heat in the Finals.
You might say well Harden was young. He was only in his 3rd season when the Heat played the Thunder in the Finals.
In DWades 3rd season he was averaging 35 in the finals coming back from an 0-2 deficit to the tune of Finals MVP.
Levels.
Jeff Teague must had smoked some good dope before his comments cause uh wtf?🤷🏿
Anyone who knows ball will never entertain convos that disrespect Wade like this. I got love for Bron but at times people downplay his teammates so much to push a point that it has this type of long term effect.. And D Wade's personal life has caused people to change their view of him and let that seep into basketball talk (which is fucking stupid) At Wade's peak he was basically 1A/1B/1C with Bron & Kobe in the league. Best shot blocking guard, tenacious on the defensive end and for someone that didn't shoot 3s like that he was still able to put up points the way he did. And he was CLUTCH. Wade could be silent all game and explode in the 4th and start hitting 3s outta nowhere too lmao. Harden faced the Warriors I get that, but the problem is he consistently underperforms in the post season. Can't let that slide in these debates.
It took 3 years for Wade to win a franchise their first chip and be finals mvp. All Defense second team in his second year while improving his scoring. Two way impact is greatly important and Wade made that happen pretty consistently from the start til he got injured. Trying to rewrite the narrative is nasty
Yeah people clearly didn’t watch basketball before lebron left to Miami & it shows
How tf did mf ever play basketball without spacing shit crazy lol
Dwade is a sick beast 😊❤️
Wade is the third best SG in NBA history
that’s crazy, because as soon as i saw the title i said, “james harden the foul merchant??” lolol
Wade won a ring on his own. How can you compare harden to him
I can already tell this is going to be a Kendrick Perkins type podcast.
We done with the 2010s already started😭😭
Hardens a master of manipulation. A genius of that art during an ERA that allowed him to take advantage of it. In the playoffs when the game tightens up with less foul calls, his numbers go down. Wade got even better the more physical the game became. And defensively its a massive gap in Wades favor. Teague glazing here...im sure he and a lot of others enjoy watching Hardens style from an entertainment perspective but aint no way hes a better player overall
Prime D Wade a destroy harden easily
For a player to be GREAT, they have to impact the game WITHOUT the ball, as well, since OKC, Harden never has been.