Doctor Who: Eve of the Daleks - REVIEW - Dalekcember
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"We are relentless. Your ultimate extermination and execution is inevitable. You are trapped, Doctor."
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In a new ranking where would you put Eve of the Daleks? Above or below Revolution of the Daleks? Simply with that one being the middle ranked Dalek story.
On the reason behind the Gatling gun-style weapon, I think it makes sense for them to have a form of rapid fire extermination when they're dealing with a Time Lord, since it means they can stop them from regenerating with multiple blasts from their weapons
Yet they can't aim
Exactly what I’ve been saying
@@matthewcattermole5718 They can't aim since their creation otherwise they would have killed the doctor by now
@@matthewcattermole5718 Yes. At that one point there where five people running away in a somewhat narrow corridor and the Dalek had a machine gun. Yet not a single shot found a target. Yes, the Daleks did get 'em repeatedly in other situations but I still find it amusing.
Never underestimate plot armor, I suppose.
@@booradley8895 Exactly, i loev the daleks but you cannot do anything with them now
I think Eve of the Daleks is proof Chibnall's strengths lies in small, simple ideas where he gets a longer runtime to play around the sandbox in. Fun characters, clever time loop twists, genuine moments of emotion and heart, great action and direction... an absolute blast! Bring on Legend of the Sea Devils
Yeah but it was an awful episode
For me the stand out scene was when Dan confronts the doctor and how she treats Yaz.
"I dunno what you mean"
"I think you do. And I don't know why you pretend to me, and to her, that you don't care"
Thirteen has a real problem opening up to people and showing how dark and scared she feels on the inside and Dan seeing through all that really spoke to me.
I feel the fandom's even more fraught over this episode than usual. I tweeted a mild joke about the Daleks having shit aim while watching it and suddenly I'm supposed to have taken a side in some discourse about plot armour that I don't care about and didn't even know was happening
It will probably die down a bit in a couple weeks. But this issue has been building since War of the Sontarans people are up in arms about whether or not it's a topic worthy of consideration.
yeah idk what that's about, when the sontarans were missing all their shots a few weeks ago nobody seemed to care about that criticism, but suddenly a bunch of people are obsessively defending the daleks missing their shots here
It's stupid that Storm Trooper aiming is now suddenly a horrible violation of breaking suspension of disbelief in Eve of the Daleks when Storm Trooper aiming has existed since 1977 and was not that big of a deal before. Hating the Storm Trooper aiming in Eve of the Daleks is fine but it's ridiculous to act like it's the only thing in existence that is bad at it and has storm trooper aiming.
@@OfficialDuckox There were definitely people annoyed with the Sontarans example. It's just things have gone farther now with Eve of the Daleks as people are doubling down on their positions.
Gosh if villains in any genre had better aim then the good guys would all be dead by now
I think the purpose of the new Dalek guns was purely for pacing reasons. The Daleks need to be able to kill 3-5 people at a time without slowing down the episode, as episodes like Dalek and Evolution of the Daleks shows it takes quite a bit of time for Daleks to shoot at multiple targets.
It also just helps keep the Bronze Daleks bearable. If they want to keep the same Dalek designs for 17 years, they need to subtly change them up every now and then so they don't get repetitive. It seems silly, but the claw and gatling gun is enough to make these Daleks unique.
One thing I really liked was how the Daleks were shot. These Dalek props were created during the Moffat era, but they feel like they're from Series 1. I don't know if it's the lighting or the camera angles but they just feel menacing in a way they haven't in a long time.
In Doomsday, one of the Cult of Skaro shouts "Exterminate" once and shoots two Cybermen, so being able to fire multiple times from one point shouldn't be a problem for them.
Which might have meant something if they didn't keep missing.
I really love this episode. It was a breath In fresh air compared for flux witch I wasn’t a fan of. I love the side characters, our Tardis team, the Daleks and the timeloop concept. Brilliant right up my ally
Daleks are patient!
Daleks will wait in line for the restroom!
Daleks do not use restrooms!
I do like the theory that Jeff is actually Jeff Angelo from the 11th hour
I think it would have been cool if the fireworks in storage belonged to former companion Ace
Now that would have made one Hell of an explosion!
Fun fact the doctor got the idea of using the fireworks from when she was Sam in Attack the block
I'd like to see what we saw in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End when it comes to Dalek appendages. A mix of suckers and claws.
This is easily one the best reviews you’ve put up in recent times, personally. I loved it. Great job, Will.
I've been doing some catch up on the Jodi Whittaker era and I just watched this episode. I had a blast watching this one! It reminded me a little bit of Cause and Effect from Star Trek TNG. This was just fun ride!
26:51 We know one thing for sure... the next special will at least better than the last time Sea Devils appeared.
What are on about? Warriors of the Deep was a masterpiece. Complete, comprehensive, it captures the experience of bad Doctor Who.
"There should have been another way."
@@BH-98 There was a Sea Devil in Dimensions in Time, so I think it's a pretty safe prediction.
This episode was such a breath of fresh air after the Flux episodes. Simple, self-contained, and a really cool premise to boot. I loved this episode. I noticed I like a lot of the Chibnal specials and especially his work on the Daleks. I was kinda hoping this would be part three of a trilogy and connect in some way to Resolution and Revolution, but it was honestly nice seeing a self-contained, concise episode.
I rewatched Eve after your initial reaction, thinking about Nick's number of girlfriends. But some of the post-it notes go all the way back to the early naughties and he even says some relationships lasted less than a month. So while there are still a lot and even he had to realise dates from 2003 weren't coming back for stuff in 2022, it's not like he had 20 girlfriends in the space of a year.
Doesn't make it any less weird. He's socially awkward and can't ask this one woman he likes out on a date, but constantly goes through girlfriends? Doesn't add up.
I missed that intro. I love it whenever you bring it back.
My head cannon is that the TARDIS brought them to the place right before midnight on new years eve so that the doctor would sort of be given a hint of when the deadline would be. Like the TARDIS could have landed at any point and any time and gone through the time loop shenanigans but it intentionally chose to time it right before midnight to let the doc know how much time she had left.
Even a simple throwaway line that the TARDIS will be ready at midnight would solve this problem.
Out of the 13th Doctor Dalek trilogy this one was my favourite. I like that is a smaller scale story that puts the Daleks in an interesting scenario & it doesn't fall into the same traps that Resolution & Revolution fell into. It's got it's problems but it feels more focused than most this eras past episodes.
One nitpick it was quite repetitive
But I agree
@@Eddo15878 i understand, its a fairly common criticism I’ve seen from others in time loop stories
Yeah
Honestly, given all the issues UA-cam copyright has been giving you, I'm just happy this channel is still going strong!
Has there been any indication that this is the last episode with the bronze Daleks? I assumed since Russell helped create the design back in 2004-2005 that he would also stick with the bronze design for his new era
This was another brilliant episode from Chibnall. A fun sci-fi concept, Daleks who manage to be both terrifying and funny (I got a good laugh out of "Daleks do not have friends"), some great character moments out of the Doctor, Yaz and Dan, and Sarah, and just overall another 10/10 Doctor Who story
It also makes sense that, as time goes on, any modern characters are familiar with the idea of a time loop, so to be stuck in one doesn't take long to figure it out
Groundhog's day was like, a first movie of it's kind, of course Phil never heard of a time loop and wouldn't think that might happen... I like genre savy heroes
Oh boy that intro again, love it
I'm almost nostalgic for it
I love hearing that intro. Never gets old.
If you like time loops that progressively get shorter, Agents of Shield has an absolutely fantastic episode in the same vein around the end of the series. However, you get a lot more out of it if you've watched everything up to that point, but everyone should do that anyway because the show is amazing.
It was messed up that it seemed like Yaz hadn’t even come out to herself yet and then Dan outed here
I’d love a review of the Sea Devils and Galaxy 4! Also, perhaps some reviews of past Doctor introduction episodes before 14’s first season could be fun!
Hopefully we get a black and white dalek design
I really enjoyed it. I think they worked wonders with little resource. I think the critism of nick is a bit much. I kinda get it but equally I don't. It played well with me and I enjoyed all of the comedy in and around it (tho maybe not the ex-terminate)
I have enjoyed all of the new year specials tbh. Good fun and a nice loop based story that works well.
The daleks are great in it too. Just good fun.
Yaz and 13 are incredible BTW. Love it
Bloody hell i remember watching this story and it’s already 2 years ago and this is, as of 2024, is the latest dalek story
Over at Project Dalek Forum, it's been figured out that the Dalek claws are altered claws from an RC excavator.
Yeah, I noticed that as well. That's fun :)
Where would you put Eve of the Daleks in the countdown list from Worst to Best?
U should do regenerationcember this year the perfect amount of stories
1. The Tenth Planet
2. The Power of the Daleks
3. The War Games
4. Spearhead From Space
5. Planet of the Spiders
6. Robot
7. Logopolis
8. Castrovalva
9. The Caves of Androzani
10. The Twin Dilema
11. The Brink of Death
12. Time and the Rani
13. The Movie
14. Rose
15. The Parting of the Ways
16. The Christmas Invasion
17. The End of Time
18. The Eleventh Hour
19. The Day of the Doctor & Night of the Doctor
20. The Time of the Doctor
21. Deep Breath
22. Twice Upon Time
23. The Woman Who Fell to Earth
24. Untitled Episode
He has already reviewed 5 of those stories iirc.
So, regarding The Eve Of The Daleks, in terms of quality, I think that it fits neatly between Resolution (Of The Daleks) and Revolution Of The Daleks. Side note. While my worst to best Dalek story list is identical to yours, I did swap The Daleks' Master Plan and Revolution Of The Daleks. So Master Plan is my 12th favourite and Revolution is 13. As for Eve, for the time being, I'm putting it The Stolen Earth/Journey's End and Resurrection Of The Daleks.
I absolutely loved this episode! A great start to 2022 and I think it has everything you could possibly want in a Doctor Who story: humour, action, tension, excitement, emotion and of course... Daleks! Brilliant stuff and I particularly love what Chibnall has done with Thasmin, it has been a long time coming but I am glad it has been fully addressed and I think this might be the first "coming out" storyline in Doctor Who too? That is SO important! I'm interested to see where this goes though it seems like the Doctor is trying to keep Yaz at arm's length, and I have a feeling that is because of what has happened in the past with the likes of Rose, being in love with the Doctor can be very dangerous and she wants to keep Yaz safe - that is how I saw that final scene with what the Doctor says to Yaz about "saying stuff we don't mean" in regards to the Doctor's actions catching up with her though I do think the Doctor won't be able to avoid this forever, she is eventually going to have to be completely honest with Yaz and that is where I think this is going! It will be interesting to see what happens...
Brilliant episode, as much as I loved Flux this is exactly what we needed: a smaller scale story with a small cast and one central location. A nice pallette cleanser - and a cameo from KARL from TWWFTE which I did not see coming but I loved that!
Anyway... THE SEA DEVILS ARE COMING BACK IN THE NEXT EPISODE!! I still can't believe that is actually happening, I have wanted this for YEARS! Roll on Spring. Chinese Pirates and Sea Devils? Should be a fun one!
Also I love that you are still using the Dalekcember intro for the Dalek episode reviews!
so the romance is like Martha Jones and the Doctor.... except we cared about Martha, and she was at least friends with the doctor
First of all awesome intro and I'll definitely miss Dan the most out of this series
There a time loop movie called Arq (which is on Netflix), where the antagonist knows about the time loop as well as the protagonist.
Does anyone else think “Jeff” is the Master?
I was today years old when realising the Dalekcember logo has the plunger and ray gun...
Maybe all those explosives and hazardous materials belonged to one of Jeffs exes. Couldn't leave all that in his flat.
I know this makes no sense but I like to think these Daleks are related to the Smartest Dalek in history. The one that shot the 10th Doctor on sight in Stolen Earth becuase in the first loop he just guns her down pretty quickly.
Are you doing a re - ranking of the dalek stories
So did they ever fix the universe or will that happen in the 60th anniversary
Why was the tardis dying? Like I know it's connected to the universe, but what in part is screwing it over?
I've been thinking what happened to the remains of the daleks I wonder if someone will confiscate them 🤔
I hope it’s not the last we see of the Bronze Daleks. I don’t think change for changes sake is necessary and they are kind of perfect. Maybe a colour change to more of a silver metal.
The fans shouldn't have this much power over the show like that, the daleks need to evolve and change.
I'd have ignored the fans if I created the paradigm daleks, I'm good at ignoring people, I believe its best for the dalek character
I'd perhaps have made the paradigm daleks bronze and one white supreme then introduce other colours later on when needed.
A dalek fanatic like me is ever so bored with the NSD bronze daleks. Its not change for changes sake its evolution, the grey dalek type would never have changed if the classic series was never cancelled, you gotta remember that
The paradigm daleks seem to have garnered a better legacy than the bronze, they now have more mystique. Watch "extinction of the daleks" fan animation, its really good
I think you can keep the basic design the same but maybe make a couple tweaks just to shake things up a little.
What's this? A Dalekcember video, over year after the initial series and not in December? Yes? Why thank you
I love how this premise allowed the daleks to not pull any punches and just kill the Doctor. They usually have some kind of random reason why the daleks don't just shoot her on sight, so this premise allows them to be far more ruthless and menacing without perma-killing the protagonist of the show
I'd love you to review my favourite story, Inferno
🎶PLASTERER… PLASTERER… PLASTERER🎶
I think the reason they had the gatling gun was because they wanted to kill multiple targets at once, also when Karl appeared I thought that was Jeff
Though you stopped Dalekcember?. It is amazing that you didn't
He did the same thing with Revolution of the Daleks, it just keeps his reviews neat and tidy to label the reviews in this way.
Dalekcember will never die.
Storm Trooper aiming has never been the worst thing to ruin an antagonist in fiction and it never will be.
I personally don't really have a problem with Nick's character, it's just a really really thin line before he's a stereotype nerd in love. The ending with Sarah, _however_ , that Hollywood ending just being jammed into it.
Also, 25:02 , you should check All You Need is Kill/Edge of Tomorrow.
Yay more Dalekcember in january😄
How about the "Key To Time"?
Davies style - Daleks are the ultimate evil and we should be afraid. Also let’s cry.
Moffat style - Daleks are the bad guys but isn’t sure how to write them. Also retcons too.
Chibnall style - Daleks are the bad guys and can have personality. Also family drama.
I gotta give two of the credit at least they get the Daleks.
Series 12? Huh, and here I thought I was getting good at spotting these things.
I thought the force field was made by the TARDIS and not the Daleks?
The Daleks put up the force field, it gets mentioned in the episode.
@@harlowethrombey7665 I thought the characters first think it’s the Daleks shield but it’s actually the Tardis which is then mentioned later. I swore I heard it like that haha
@@davidcrewe4646 That doesn’t make any sense. Why would the TARDIS trap them in the building? And Mr Tardis made a good point, why wasn’t the back door shielded?
It must have entertained me because nearly all those plot issues passed me by completely.
Honestly, I don't know why to throw in Karl. I had to learn later who Karl was. Who cares for such a minor character? It should have been either Jeff or just write it so Karl works at the storage and it's his stuff. It's so random and Chibnall isn't RTD/Moffat level of clever with the breadcrumbs that Karl will factor into something for the final 13th Doctor outing.
Also, what I didn't get is why Sarah, Nick, or even Dan didn't recognize the Daleks as "those things terrorizing the UK last year" as some call back to "Revolution of the Daleks"
Its obviously Cyber Jeff, Sarah just assumes his modifications are advanced PPE.
I really enjoyed it, but there didn't seem to be any chemistry between Aisling's character and Nick. 7/10 for me over all. Great review, Will.
Creepiest part is when the Daleks are about to kill Yaz and Dan but first say "'The Doctor can't save you the Doctor can never save you!!!
I can look past a lot when it comes to this current era of Who, but I don't think I'll be able to look past a botched "Thasmin" storyline. We have two specials left and I genuinely don't know how Chibnall will pull it off, but I'm at the very least very interested in seeing where it all ends up.
@@dyiawblou1671 yeah no matter what happens I can agree this storyline needed to happen far sooner. We have two specials left and now the relationship might happen? It's disappointing but I'm also happy we're getting anything. I personally hope somehow we see maybe a montage of them together and just happy? I know that it will probably end in heartbreak but I just want a happy same sex relationship on TV, especially in Who. Plus I'm not sure how it would work if Yaz were to stay on. Surely she wouldn't be interested in the next Doctor cuz they're not the Doctor she's interested in? We'll have to wait and see
@@dyiawblou1671 that's fair, but I personally think that maybe it would be better for Yaz to leave with the rest of the Chibnall era. Not that I don't like Yaz, but giving her a definitive end alongside giving RTD a fresh slate to work with. I'll be interested in seeing what happens either way
Long live Dalekcember
Finally a person who doesn't completely projectile diarrhoea all over this episode.
I thought the concept of constantly having to out plan the Daleks was brilliant. I’d love to see a longer explore at ion if the idea. Where force or power is irrelevant but it’s a game of strategy and being two steps ahead of your opponents. The Daleks are master strategists after all
I think you should review warriors of the deep!
UA-cam give me a notification next time 😈
Probably give it 6/10, love it.
I think the Daleks have their new Miniguns in order to exterminate en masse
I do enjoy this episode
And Aisling Bea is so funny
OK I'm just gonna come out and say it, I like Eve of the Daleks, I couldn't care how much hate it has gotten, I think it has a few funny lines 'Mostly coming from the Daleks' I think their guns are pretty cool 'And please no complains about their claws' it reminds me of the ones in Death to the Daleks, Also timeloop or not it's been a while since The Big Bang back in 2010 that the Daleks exterminated the Doctor, Seriously that's over 11 years since that happened, Plus the next time trailer really took me by surprise when they show the Ses Devils, Again seriously it's been nearly 40 years since they last appeared in Dr Who in general, So I'm glad they're returning in the revived series, If I have to rank Daleks stories in the Chibnall era I put Resolution 'of the Daleks' First, Eve of the Daleks second, And Revolution of the Daleks last
Apparently a lot of people rather than put their brain to one side and enjoy an episode just want to nitpick. Why does it matter if not everything makes sense?
@@booradley8895 IKR?
Also yeah that last scene was a bit frustrating, the Doctor not saying anything. Jodie Whittaker is very good in the second half of this episode.
I'll miss Jodie Whittaker when she leaves and I'm hoping Big Finish Will take her on board at some point in the future
I like Eve of the Daleks
Might as well call it Dalekanuary at this point, really
The Nick point is relevant because the time loop sets them back to where they were after the first loop (at least in the establishing loops). By 4 minutes to in the first loop he was a dead body so the loop would kick in after he died.
However, Chibnall forgot about this as this plot point went out the window
Was it stated that the forcefield was a Dalek tactic? I was under the impression it was the result of the TARDIS repairing itself. Also, I'm not convinced Sarah dislikes Nick particularly, it's just that in that moment she's irritated by Jeff's thoughtlessness and is taking it out on Nick. After she mocks Nick's joke and he heads off disappointed, you can see she's kicking herself, metaphorically speaking, for being rude to him. It's just bad timing, in my opinion.
Best epsiode ever
Daleks are not...Nick!
Really liked Aisling Bea in this. I can't help but feel she really outshone Jodie Whittaker as the character of authority. It's a shame that in some of her final episodes I still feel Jodie hasn't quite captured the Doctor and the acting just feels awkward...
I know this is not pertaining to the episode specifically but part of me has wanted to see the 13th Doctor go through her own Time Lord Victorious moment. Probably not quite as far as the 10th Doctor went and with the addition of her companions being present but personally I think it would make for a good moment if it's set up properly and executed well, possibly even give some proper character development. I'd want the companions present to give more emotional stakes and a moment where the Doctors companions are scared of her and the implication that if she did go through with it, that no one could stop her.
Personally, I think now is the time that moment like it has better chance of happening when compared to the rest of the 13th Doctor's era (to clarify, I don't think it will happen, I'm just saying that if it did, around now would be the best time to do it.) Considering the Doctor has been going through a lot of stress and turmoil (the Timeless Child and the Flux among other events) along with her upcoming regeneration, I think around now would be the best time they could possibly do it.
Sadly Jodie Whittaker is a bad actress.
You forgot one thing
Nick had a crush on Sarah for years and some of the relationships he had were during this period. That's really weird man
Does Dan even have a phone?
If he doesn’t have soup he won’t have a phone
Possibly not but Yaz definitely should.
Mr TARDIS
22.3K subscribers Executioner Dalek: "WE ARE RELENTLESS. YOUR ULTIMATE EXTERMINATION AND EXECUTION IS INEVITABLE! YOU ARE TRAPPED, DOCTOR!"
Nick is a socially awkward guy…
who has had about 40 girlfriends. One is labeled 2017 to 2021 so Nick has been coming to the storage for years while he had a gf, to creep on Sarah.
He's not going there specifically to creep on her. He's going there because he does want to store that stuff as a token of good will, but he chose this storage facility because Sarah is there. Still creepy, but not as bad as that.
There is no difference between TLV and the usual whiny annoying vague amalgamation of the Doctor's worst qualities with Edward Cullen that defines Time Tot Ten as a character. Claiming he had some sort of character arc is really pushing it.
On rewatch this ep went from a 7 to an 8.5. Great stuff.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who absolutely hates this episode, like seriously f***ing despise it. It's so painful to watch, mainly due to the god awful, uber bad, mega mega not good dialogue. Specifically/almost exclusively the dialogue from Sarah and Nick. I was actually having to pause the episode and gawk in disbelief with my family who I watched this monstrosity with. I prefer to pretend this episode doesn't exist. It's just the worst.
I hated it so much but I always wondered if the Timeless Child really left that much of a bad taste in my mouth.
A bit of set up that never got any real pay-off imo was the fact that this is Dan’s first, proper encounter with a Dalek.
The episode pays lip service to this with Dan being nonplussed at first seeing one and asking if “they can just go?” An interesting sign of cowardice to show that he’s still new and not predisposed to saving people like the Doctor and Yaz, potentially causing some friction in the team, maybe the Dalek could have manipulated Dan into working against the Doc, even. But instead, he’s suddenly heroically running around one without any provocation. It just felt like a weird thing for the episode to bring up and then not do anything with.
You don't need to go in-depth, Mr Tardis
We all know it's bad because "plot armor" XD
I'll burn this whole fandom to the ground if I have to.
Claiming War of the Sontarans and Eve of the Daleks are bad because of Storm Trooper aiming is a stupid nitpick. Criticizing inconsistent aiming could be a valid critique but making it the main point to hate an episode just makes it become a ridiculous nitpick. Plot Armor is a stupid nitpick in general because a plot relevant character surviving is not automatically bad writing or bad tension. If the shit from The Sontaran Experiment and the Invasion of Time didn't ruin the Sontarans and if the potato jokes in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky and Strax comedy didn't ruin the Sontarans, then one scene of Storm Trooper aiming ain't going to ruin the Sontarans. It's hard to believe one character running around one Dalek before getting shot is the worst thing to happen to them with a history of, they can't climb stairs misconception and getting defeated by their own sewers. If you think the Sontarans and Daleks are good villain's then Storm Trooper aiming shouldn't be a horrible horrendous to them.
Any moment where a plot relevant character survives can be nitpicked as plot armor. With some Doctor Who examples, that Dalek deciding to spare Rose after killing multiple people and being lock downed with her can be criticized and nitpicked as plot armor for Rose. The Doctor and Peri getting replaced by robots and the robots being shot to death can be criticized and nitpicked as plot armor for the Fifth Doctor and Peri. John Benton survives sometimes because of plot armor. And if being in a dangerous un survivable situation is automatically bad writing, then The Ninth Doctor shouldn't have responded to that Dalek distress signal and the TARDIS shouldn't have landed on Androzani Minor. And John Benton would have just died. Some shoot outs in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul had some missed shots but that doesn't automatically mean bad writing or tension. Game of Thrones still had characters that did not die and where hard to kill off because of their plot relevance despite being an anti-plot armor story. Plot armor is a stupid nitpick because a character having plot relevance surviving is not automatically bad writing. Another reason plot armor is a bullshit nitpick is that it's basically a step closer to the bullshit nitpick of plot relevance is bad. And claiming plot relevance is bad is like claiming a plant is bad for doing photosynthesis or a banana is bad for having potassium.
Also acting like the Chibnall era is the only thing that is bad at the negative criticisms you give will either makes you come across as a Not my doctor or a Nitpicking Lunatic. When negative criticism is tarnished by lunatics like not my doctors. Nitpicks like Storm Trooper aiming and plot armor are going to come across as really stupid, especially if it's used as a main point to hate an episode or a special. Not my doctor bigotry itself is a stupid nitpick. So even if you have a criticism that has gotten backlash as a nitpick that has no sexist bigotry in it, there is a higher probability of people thinking "Personally, I really don't see the difference.". If you have a criticism that has gotten backlash as a nitpick, then try using your other criticisms instead of doubling down on the one criticism that has gotten backlash as a nitpick. It's hard to believe that the Chibnall era is the only thing that is bad at Stormtrooper aiming and invented it since the trope of villain's having bad aiming was named after villain's from a movie that premiered in theaters in 1977. What I don't get is why is the Storm Trooper aiming trope suddenly bad now when it existed since 1977 and wasn't that big of an issue before? If Storm Trooper aiming is such a horrible suspension of disbelief and accurate physics is so important to enjoying Doctor Who, then it's good that the TARDIS can travel time and space because our Sun is moving through space with our solar system moving with it while in orbit. Nothing in our solar system or the Milky Way Galaxy can be in the same point of time and space twice.
@@casualcraftman1599 People aren't saying those episodes were bad SOLELY because of the plot armour, it's just one more thing to add to the pile of problems with these episodes. And the issue people have is less that the characters are around to continue being in the story but that the situation they were in was made super improbable to survive and makes the enemies look really incompetent. Also, just because there's plot armour in other stories doesn't mean it was a great thing to have there or in the current stories.
That example with Rose and Dalek is given an internal justification due to the connection that it and Rose have. This kind of thing is a bare minimum you can expect to count against plot armour related issues. It's the same reason why the time loop in Eve isn't plot armour as it is a plot device that justifies why the characters aren't dead.
I think the main reason the plot armour stuff is getting more focus now is that we're in the age of social media where there is more room for discussion of these sort of topics and it's a lot easier to inspect media more closely to notice certain problems.
Lot of issues with this episode. Why do the Daleks only initially send one Dalek? They say they learn from each loop, so why don’t they just appear near the TARDIS when the loop starts? The Doctor and the companions start the loop in the same place. The Daleks could then just shoot them in each loop until it closes.
Dan distracting the Dalek is brave of him, but also stupid. Because if he gets shot, and they escape the loop, he stays dead. So he basically guarantees they won’t escape the loop, unless they’re fine with him being permanently dead.
I disliked Nick a lot. Nothing to do with the actor, but his actions are just weird and creepy. And Sarah going on a trip with him in a romantic sense is ludicrous. I could see her becoming a platonic friend to him, but a relationship is ridiculous.
@@dyiawblou1671 I understand, but it’s unnecessary for him to do that. I get what they were trying to do, and I respect him for trying it. But it wasn’t needed.
Dan was great in this episode, I will say that.
Another thing, the fact that they need to leave the facility by midnight to escape the loop made no sense. If they killed the however many Daleks in the facility they'd theoretically be fine.
It would have made more sense if the TARDIS landed somewhere and in its reset once outside the TARDIS the Doctor realizes they need to evacuate a certain distance from the TARDIS as it would set up some sort of short range explosion.
The Doctor was intending to land it on an empty beach planet only to find they are in the basement of a storage facility. They quickly find out two other people are there but the thought is they can evacuate easily. But then there is an issue as the Daleks have set up a force field around the facility.
In the end they use the fireworks and whatever random Jeff stuff to find a way to disable the force field long enough for the Doctor and friends to escape the facility, with the TARDIS external explosion taking care of the Daleks who have unwittingly trapped themselves.
I'm surprised with how few people had no issue with Dan outing yaz to the doctor, in real life that's a huge bloody no no
This series has only one good character at the moment: Dan.
I'm not really a fan of Dan circling around the Dalek like that. I could maybe see this sort of thing working with the classic era Daleks (particularly in Destiny) but at this point that Dalek should have been able to shoot him. It's just absurd.
Speaking of Dan, it's pretty sketchy for him to tell the Doctor about Yaz's feelings the way he does. Maybe if we assume that he knows the Doctor already knows it wouldn't be as bad but still not great.
And yeah 13's character going in circles and being a jerk has definitely cemented her as having the weakest characterization of the New Who mainline Doctors (not really fair to bring in War and Fugitive into the comparison).
The romance annoyed me so much about this story, so weird and unconvincing