Thanks for the video. you briefly touch on an area I am interested in which is the user interface. I Have been unable to find any videos which give any info on this. I would like an in depth look at how to access locally stored music, which I have a lot of. I even went so far as to ask Wiim if they have any videos of the user interface, specifically for streaming locally stored music. I received no reply. I am not interested in the nuts & bolts of how to connect, but really what the user interface looks like. One comment, please don't take it as snarky, but in your text overlay "experience" does not have an "a" in it.
Been using the mini for a while. If there is a change, that I would like it would be coaxial digital output rather than optical. I have just hooked it up to an SMSL SU-1 DAC. Too soon to say much.
These WiiM devices are great little network streamers. Your phone controls the streamer over your network. Your phone is basically just the control panel for the WiiM. Your phone is not streaming anything when using these products. The advantage of the wired connection is the WiiM device does not have to make a wireless connection to your network. As we all know, sometimes we have to power down our wireless routers to get them back communicating with our devices. The wired connection eliminates that hassle. The wired connection means no wireless connection to manage on the WiiM side, only your phone connects to your network wirelessly. So if your phone is on your network, you should be good to go. When running the WiiM wirelessly you have to make sure the WiiM is on the network also. Trust me this can be a hassle. It doesn’t always stay connected between uses. This can suck when all you want to do is listen to some music but you have to figure out why your phone can’t talk to your WiiM. When your WiiM losses its connection to your network it has to be rebooted. Sometimes that’s all it takes, sometimes you have to reboot your router too. And sometimes you have to reboot little sucker and go through the process of having your phone find it again. All of this can be a pain. Wired is definitely better if you can do it. It’s well worth the up grade! I have a Mini, a Pro, and a BlueSound Node 2. The Pro is the best. (Because the App is better (also I am using an external DAC so not talking about the DACs))
If you cannot run an ethernet cable use a wireless mesh network with an ethernet output and cable into the Dac these are a lot more stable than general wifi, mesh networks were invented by the US military for battle field condition and are used in oil and gas and chemical works as the reroute information around the network the more mesh devices you have in the network it's a very clever system, this is how sanos does it, a dedicated mesh network just for music 👍
Hi, I'm trying to decide how to better stream my audio from my Windows 10 PC to my Hi-Fi. (I do have a Mac, but it's an older one and trying to stream from Apple Music to Airplay doesn't work) But I'm having a hard time trying to decide on the best way to do it. How I currently listen to music: 1 - Via iTunes from Windows 10 streaming to Airport Express, connected to DX3 Pro+ DAC into Amplifier. * Problem - Can't load FLAC into iTunes and I don't want to re-rip all my hundreds of CD's into Apple Lossless. 2 - Via VLC accessing FLAC folder over Network which I stream from my Android phone my CD Ripped iTunes AAC Music and increasingly my FLAC files. I use VLC, I then connect to DX3 Pro+ to listen to AAC and FLAC files from PC. * Problem - Streaming over Bluetooth is lossy * Problem - VLC can't do gapless playback, so I get horrible gaps in playback. * Problem - Bluetooth is only going upto 96khz I mean 96khz with LDAC is very nice sounding, I've been very pleased so far, but I want to get the full quality of the FLAC I'm purchasing. What is the solution? I'm hoping that someone just say the Wiim Pro can do it all. If I get a Wiim (I don't need the pro plus as I have an External DAC) Can it: A) Show up in iTunes as a device to stream music over? And B) Can it access my FLAC files from my shared folder over the network and show them in a navigable format I can browse through? (Not too bothered about seeing Artwork though) and then I can play them gapless and in their full quality? I own upto 192khz FLAC Files, but HDTracks also has some classical at 384khz, so I'd have to be able to play as high as that minimum. I also use an iPad (4th Gen) and Android Phone, so I would like to use them as a 'remote' to select and play music. Thanks for all the help, this situation has my head battered in! People keep talking about so much software and raspberry pi's and all sorts of stuff, I just want a simple solution that slots into my existing Hi-Fi environment and plays my music to the best quality it has and see it corresponding in my DAC display. Cheers.
Great video! I am curious, can I get the pro to use chromecast and will it cast to other speakers on the same network that are connected to a mini since it doesn’t have chromecast?
Man this is one of the videos I have been needing to see for several years. Great information. I have always wondered if my home was connected via ethernet(And it is) to all ethernet compatible devices when I did try to AIRPLAY 2 from a Mac to say a Yamaha receiver directly via the cable was it in fact leaving the Mac from Apple Music at whatever resolution (mostly 16/44 I suppose) but IF there was ever a higher resolution song in my library from Apple Music was it in fact leaving via ethernet cable at whatever resolution it supposedly was being delivered?? Not sure what MIDI settings should be as I do not want "upsampling or down sampling" at all...Just what is native resolution to particular song from the Mac to the respective receiver. You would simply NOT believe how many times I have asked that question & how many different answers I have gotten. The best one was years ago when a guy told me only an Engineer who had commanding knowledge of how Mac circuitry & software functioned could answer the question. What say you? new sub by the way and PLEASE put out more content dude. You are truly good at this.
I've also heard and read many different opinions on this matter, but it was my understanding that without touching settings it would come in as 16/44. The only reliable way you can check this is perhaps using a DAC that's got a built-in readout to display what the stream actually is.
I’ve tried multiple dacs all the way up to the $1,600 Gustard r26. Once equalized for output voltage (volume) there was no difference. Don’t talk out your ass unless you’ve actually done proper blind testing.
One more comment. IF YOU HAVE the time I strongly recommend you keep your channel active. Reason being you CERTAINLY have a gift for educating & communicating interesting subjects in an entertaining fashion. Your production is already Top Shelf. I have no talent for this medium but am expert at spotting those who do. As I understand it a good living can be made doing something you are interested in!! I will be waiting for your next upload. Sincerely Larry Croft
Thanks for the kind words - I still lead a busy corporate life, but it's really nice to hear. I know I haven't really done much on a regular basis, but maybe I'll change that!
I have owned the Pro for over a month. There is one problem NO REVIEWER mentions and its serious. If you play music from your NAS (I use Synology) the music WILL NOT BE played in track order. This is a known issue that was supposed to be corrected in April 2023. I write this in June so it has not been corrected. In my opinion this makes the Pro worthless for anyone who wants to play their own tunes. How can the user experience be that great when this glaring problem has not been corrected? I will be purchasing a Bluesound streamer in the near future.
I think that was fixed mid May. If you’re just using the basic Synology Media Server feature, you’d be better switching to a better UPNP server like Minimserver which doesn’t have this issue.
I think this has been overplayed - while some distortion was measured, I would say it wasn’t audible. Plus I believe new firmware largely resolved that issue. However, if you want bit perfect output over digital, turn off EQ and use fixed volume.
Thanks for your thoughts. Question: Considering a 3 zone setup. 3 Wiim PRO and a 6 Channel AMP, No Receiver/DAC/preamp. Using Wiim PRO Line Out L/R to each channel on the AMP. Using Wiim Pro as a streamer/preamp. I know DAC in Wiim Pro is not Great, but all this goes to outdoor 3 zone area with Bose 251 Environmental Speakers. Any thoughts if that would work?
yes, the better DAC made a noticeable difference, particularly if you have other resolving components. Even the sub $200 DAC were solid like Cambridge and Schitt.
@@TheHiFiJedi-reviews hi. Thanks for the reply but my question is the difference between mini vs pro sound quality with external dac. I understand that external dac is better.
No difference as they’re both outputting the same bit perfect stream over their digital outputs. Nor does it matter that they both have the same DAC as that’s bypassed on digital outputs.
I have a question, I'm using a apple music but on android phone, wiim pro have a chromecast, and i can share my music using this method, i cen shearing hi res ?
I use my Mac and Amazon HD music app going to some Klipsch 5s. I don't see a use for a streamer? I keep watching videos hoping to see why I would use it over what I'm using currently and I have found no good reason.
I find the streamer extremely useful cos I have ceiling speakers in the living room and the amp is in the bedroom closet, awkward. But the WiiM allow me to stream music from my phone, pc, even TV to those ceiling speakers
Hello ! I am from Romania and I have a big request! HELP ! I follow you with great pleasure and respect you! I bought a WIIM PRO complete with remote control for all the advantages it has! It's just that I can't seem to enjoy it because the output to my Q ACOUSTIC passive speakers is not good. I have a very good Arylic s50, only that it does not have a digital output to connect to the TV, which is why I chose WIIM PRO! Why doesn't it work with passive speakers directly? can be heard in the speakers but low volume! WHAT should I do without adding an amplifier? THANK YOU!
I have suspected this before. I was using airplay since it originally came out w airport expresses to various amp/speakers in my home WITH NO DELAY. Then when airplay 2 came along they could not play at the same time. It was either play airplay one devices or play airplay 2 devices. I never needed the capability to play DIFFERENT songs in different areas SO airplay 1 was good for me, Plus I never had the issue of them not all being in complete synch for some reason. Maybe it was because all was hard wired throughout. Do you know for an absolute fact that airplay 2 always down samples via ethernet when it leaves a Mac? Thank you for your help and information
What are you saying about an ethernet cable not being plugged in? That's a pointless comment because if it's not using ethernet then it's using wifi and for this purpose the bandwidth capability is the same. Unless you connect your phone via bluetooth you're always using some kind of network connectivity whether it's wifi and ethernet
@@itsthesun412 Fair point, also I think that some may think they are getting around the Airplay 2 limitation with Ethernet and it has no bearing. Appreciate the feedback!
@@andrespoblete6783 I guess you could do lightning out and use analog AUX/RCA input on the mini/pro, respectively if you really want to use the Wiim home app or multiroom functions etc. Or if there's a lightning dongle with optical out. I'm not aware of any such device though.
I find that with all four of my systems, whether I use airplay or dock my iDevice in an Apple lightning doc to avoid battery issues. I’m more than happy with the sound I get with good quality recordings / files from UA-cam Music Premium (256K) without a better dac than what’s in my iPhone or iPad. I’m sure most audiophiles would cringe at this response. I am much more of a music lover than an audiophile. Several friend s have expensive external dacs . Honestly, the change in sound quality vs. mine (with my ears) is minimal at best, not to mention a considerable expense. Lastly, with my custom installs, I literally have very little room for an external dac or bigger Wiim…live and learn. I’ll save my time and money, abort the external dac / a Wiim upgrade idea and just keep enjoying my music as configured. If anything, I’ll consider getting a Wiim Mini’ for each of my systems for airplay convenience or occasional whole house tunes when desired. Thanks for your input. Much appreciated!
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Dude, great video, very simple explanation but everything I needed to know. Would be keen to see more videos.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
Thanks for the Oscar Peterson tip great album fantastically recorded.
Agree with Larrycroft.. also like very much the additional info of recommended music. A new subscriber!
Thanks!
Thanks for the video. you briefly touch on an area I am interested in which is the user interface. I Have been unable to find any videos which give any info on this. I would like an in depth look at how to access locally stored music, which I have a lot of. I even went so far as to ask Wiim if they have any videos of the user interface, specifically for streaming locally stored music. I received no reply. I am not interested in the nuts & bolts of how to connect, but really what the user interface looks like.
One comment, please don't take it as snarky, but in your text overlay "experience" does not have an "a" in it.
the amazon echo show does have apple music app natively,does that mean that it'll stream at a higher bit rate?
Been using the mini for a while. If there is a change, that I would like it would be coaxial digital output rather than optical. I have just hooked it up to an SMSL SU-1 DAC. Too soon to say much.
These WiiM devices are great little network streamers. Your phone controls the streamer over your network. Your phone is basically just the control panel for the WiiM. Your phone is not streaming anything when using these products. The advantage of the wired connection is the WiiM device does not have to make a wireless connection to your network. As we all know, sometimes we have to power down our wireless routers to get them back communicating with our devices. The wired connection eliminates that hassle. The wired connection means no wireless connection to manage on the WiiM side, only your phone connects to your network wirelessly. So if your phone is on your network, you should be good to go. When running the WiiM wirelessly you have to make sure the WiiM is on the network also. Trust me this can be a hassle. It doesn’t always stay connected between uses. This can suck when all you want to do is listen to some music but you have to figure out why your phone can’t talk to your WiiM. When your WiiM losses its connection to your network it has to be rebooted. Sometimes that’s all it takes, sometimes you have to reboot your router too. And sometimes you have to reboot little sucker and go through the process of having your phone find it again. All of this can be a pain. Wired is definitely better if you can do it. It’s well worth the up grade! I have a Mini, a Pro, and a BlueSound Node 2. The Pro is the best. (Because the App is better (also I am using an external DAC so not talking about the DACs))
Great input appreciate your contribution 👍
If you cannot run an ethernet cable use a wireless mesh network with an ethernet output and cable into the Dac these are a lot more stable than general wifi, mesh networks were invented by the US military for battle field condition and are used in oil and gas and chemical works as the reroute information around the network the more mesh devices you have in the network it's a very clever system, this is how sanos does it, a dedicated mesh network just for music 👍
Can the mini be used to stream from UA-cam music from a Samsung phone when connect to a AVR receiver
Hi, I'm trying to decide how to better stream my audio from my Windows 10 PC to my Hi-Fi. (I do have a Mac, but it's an older one and trying to stream from Apple Music to Airplay doesn't work) But I'm having a hard time trying to decide on the best way to do it. How I currently listen to music:
1 - Via iTunes from Windows 10 streaming to Airport Express, connected to DX3 Pro+ DAC into Amplifier.
* Problem - Can't load FLAC into iTunes and I don't want to re-rip all my hundreds of CD's into Apple Lossless.
2 - Via VLC accessing FLAC folder over Network which I stream from my Android phone my CD Ripped iTunes AAC Music and increasingly my FLAC files. I use VLC, I then connect to DX3 Pro+ to listen to AAC and FLAC files from PC.
* Problem - Streaming over Bluetooth is lossy
* Problem - VLC can't do gapless playback, so I get horrible gaps in playback.
* Problem - Bluetooth is only going upto 96khz
I mean 96khz with LDAC is very nice sounding, I've been very pleased so far, but I want to get the full quality of the FLAC I'm purchasing.
What is the solution? I'm hoping that someone just say the Wiim Pro can do it all.
If I get a Wiim (I don't need the pro plus as I have an External DAC) Can it: A) Show up in iTunes as a device to stream music over? And B) Can it access my FLAC files from my shared folder over the network and show them in a navigable format I can browse through? (Not too bothered about seeing Artwork though) and then I can play them gapless and in their full quality? I own upto 192khz FLAC Files, but HDTracks also has some classical at 384khz, so I'd have to be able to play as high as that minimum. I also use an iPad (4th Gen) and Android Phone, so I would like to use them as a 'remote' to select and play music.
Thanks for all the help, this situation has my head battered in!
People keep talking about so much software and raspberry pi's and all sorts of stuff, I just want a simple solution that slots into my existing Hi-Fi environment and plays my music to the best quality it has and see it corresponding in my DAC display. Cheers.
I love that I see RP on your device! Best station ever.
Great video! I am curious, can I get the pro to use chromecast and will it cast to other speakers on the same network that are connected to a mini since it doesn’t have chromecast?
Man this is one of the videos I have been needing to see for several years. Great information. I have always wondered if my home was connected via ethernet(And it is) to all ethernet compatible devices when I did try to AIRPLAY 2 from a Mac to say a Yamaha receiver directly via the cable was it in fact leaving the Mac from Apple Music at whatever resolution (mostly 16/44 I suppose) but IF there was ever a higher resolution song in my library from Apple Music was it in fact leaving via ethernet cable at whatever resolution it supposedly was being delivered??
Not sure what MIDI settings should be as I do not want "upsampling or down sampling" at all...Just what is native resolution to particular song from the Mac to the respective receiver.
You would simply NOT believe how many times I have asked that question & how many different answers I have gotten. The best one was years ago when a guy told me only an Engineer who had commanding knowledge of how Mac circuitry & software functioned could answer the question. What say you? new sub by the way and PLEASE put out more content dude. You are truly good at this.
I've also heard and read many different opinions on this matter, but it was my understanding that without touching settings it would come in as 16/44. The only reliable way you can check this is perhaps using a DAC that's got a built-in readout to display what the stream actually is.
The DAC on the WiiM is great no need to worry about another one. Sounds great
the dac is shit. get an external one. Customize a jnog2 and for under 1000 bucks you have a really solid setup
I’ve tried multiple dacs all the way up to the $1,600 Gustard r26. Once equalized for output voltage (volume) there was no difference. Don’t talk out your ass unless you’ve actually done proper blind testing.
@@quentendeclercq4792 1000 bucks? I have the WiiM mini going into a Pioneer Sc55 by digital cable and it sounds great. Don’t be silly dude.
@@JohnStreet-bu1pe very true , not a big difference between cheap DAC’s and expensive ones.
On wiim pro dac is weak.
On wiim pro plus is solid.
One more comment. IF YOU HAVE the time I strongly recommend you keep your channel active. Reason being you CERTAINLY have a gift for educating & communicating interesting subjects in an entertaining fashion. Your production is already Top Shelf. I have no talent for this medium but am expert at spotting those who do. As I understand it a good living can be made doing something you are interested in!! I will be waiting for your next upload. Sincerely Larry Croft
Thanks for the kind words - I still lead a busy corporate life, but it's really nice to hear. I know I haven't really done much on a regular basis, but maybe I'll change that!
I have owned the Pro for over a month. There is one problem NO REVIEWER mentions and its serious. If you play music from your NAS (I use Synology) the music WILL NOT BE played in track order. This is a known issue that was supposed to be corrected in April 2023. I write this in June so it has not been corrected. In my opinion this makes the Pro worthless for anyone who wants to play their own tunes. How can the user experience be that great when this glaring problem has not been corrected? I will be purchasing a Bluesound streamer in the near future.
I think that was fixed mid May. If you’re just using the basic Synology Media Server feature, you’d be better switching to a better UPNP server like Minimserver which doesn’t have this issue.
@@sneakyds Thank you I had not considered that option, I will look into today.
Any insight on what I’ve read online awhile back? The EQ adjuster distorts the sound quality. Have you experienced anything like this? Thanks! DS
Hey, I did try it, sounded ok to me, but I'm philosophically against using EQs in general
I think this has been overplayed - while some distortion was measured, I would say it wasn’t audible. Plus I believe new firmware largely resolved that issue. However, if you want bit perfect output over digital, turn off EQ and use fixed volume.
Hi can I ask if your home system speakers are Rega's - what do you think of them?
I know they look a little similar, but these are totem staffs and they’re excellent!
Thanks for your thoughts. Question: Considering a 3 zone setup. 3 Wiim PRO and a 6 Channel AMP, No Receiver/DAC/preamp. Using Wiim PRO Line Out L/R to each channel on the AMP. Using Wiim Pro as a streamer/preamp. I know DAC in Wiim Pro is not Great, but all this goes to outdoor 3 zone area with Bose 251 Environmental Speakers. Any thoughts if that would work?
Sounds feasible.
Have a mini wiim,didn't know it won't work with fire tablets yet it takes amazon music.
How did you connect the wiim pro to your Naim unit? I guess coax digital is the way to go, correct?
I have been using optical(SPDF) and trying Coax recently, but both sound the same to me. My Uniti has a great built in DAC.
Yeah, wiim pro + modi = sounds fantastic
Same here
Any comments on the sound quality difference between the mini and pro when using an external DAC?
yes, the better DAC made a noticeable difference, particularly if you have other resolving components. Even the sub $200 DAC were solid like Cambridge and Schitt.
@@TheHiFiJedi-reviews hi. Thanks for the reply but my question is the difference between mini vs pro sound quality with external dac.
I understand that external dac is better.
I heard no difference between the two.
They use the same Burr-Brown DAC. However, to your question, using an external DAC, they sound the same.
No difference as they’re both outputting the same bit perfect stream over their digital outputs. Nor does it matter that they both have the same DAC as that’s bypassed on digital outputs.
How are you liking the remote?
I didn't try it, but I've heard good things. I prefer using my iPhone to control it.
I have a question, I'm using a apple music but on android phone, wiim pro have a chromecast, and i can share my music using this method, i cen shearing hi res ?
I use my Mac and Amazon HD music app going to some Klipsch 5s. I don't see a use for a streamer? I keep watching videos hoping to see why I would use it over what I'm using currently and I have found no good reason.
I find the streamer extremely useful cos I have ceiling speakers in the living room and the amp is in the bedroom closet, awkward. But the WiiM allow me to stream music from my phone, pc, even TV to those ceiling speakers
How does it work with my Spotify and my GFs spotify, can we both we logged in....
Chord MOJO is a great match
Which dac you suggest that can decide mqa and stream to my stereo using line in
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Hello ! I am from Romania and I have a big request! HELP ! I follow you with great pleasure and respect you! I bought a WIIM PRO complete with remote control for all the advantages it has! It's just that I can't seem to enjoy it because the output to my Q ACOUSTIC passive speakers is not good. I have a very good Arylic s50, only that it does not have a digital output to connect to the TV, which is why I chose WIIM PRO! Why doesn't it work with passive speakers directly? can be heard in the speakers but low volume! WHAT should I do without adding an amplifier? THANK YOU!
Im a bit confused - how are you getting any amplification to your Q acoustics? You need an amp somewhere in the chain!
If I use tidal, can I use the ethernet port for higher quality playback?
Yep since it's a streamer, Through ethernet or wireless doesn't make a difference.
I know the mini does not support youtube music. Does the pro? Thx.
The Pro has Chromecast, so you can cast with that one.
Airplay 2 actually converts and down samples to 256 AAC. This was confirmed by bluesound. For some stupid reason AirPlay 1 doesn’t resample.
I have suspected this before. I was using airplay since it originally came out w airport expresses to various amp/speakers in my home WITH NO DELAY. Then when airplay 2 came along they could not play at the same time. It was either play airplay one devices or play airplay 2 devices. I never needed the capability to play DIFFERENT songs in different areas SO airplay 1 was good for me, Plus I never had the issue of them not all being in complete synch for some reason. Maybe it was because all was hard wired throughout. Do you know for an absolute fact that airplay 2 always down samples via ethernet when it leaves a Mac? Thank you for your help and information
What are you saying about an ethernet cable not being plugged in? That's a pointless comment because if it's not using ethernet then it's using wifi and for this purpose the bandwidth capability is the same. Unless you connect your phone via bluetooth you're always using some kind of network connectivity whether it's wifi and ethernet
Hi - Not always - An Ethernet connection is generally faster than a WiFi connection and provides greater reliability
@@itsthesun412 Fair point, also I think that some may think they are getting around the Airplay 2 limitation with Ethernet and it has no bearing. Appreciate the feedback!
I choose Wiim pro because of LAN cable
So there is no way to stream from apple music 24/196 ?
Not through a Wiim, you would have to hardwire your iOS device, or Mac to your stereo to achieve that.
@@TheHiFiJedi-reviews thanks !
@@andrespoblete6783 I guess you could do lightning out and use analog AUX/RCA input on the mini/pro, respectively if you really want to use the Wiim home app or multiroom functions etc. Or if there's a lightning dongle with optical out. I'm not aware of any such device though.
I use an older iPad Pro and connect the headphone jack to Aux in on the mini then optical out on the mini to a Gashelli J2S DAC. Work great.
@@danriley3064 You’re better off skipping the extra conversion steps, since you’re limited by the iPad’s DAC in that case.
They removed airplay support - no longer able to stream via airplay
why will i in turntable for ???
Do I need a DAC if only using airplay?
Not for 256 kb compression of airplay don't waste your money the dac in the plus version will be more than good enough 👍
I find that with all four of my systems, whether I use airplay or dock my iDevice in an Apple lightning doc to avoid battery issues. I’m more than happy with the sound I get with good quality recordings / files from UA-cam Music Premium (256K) without a better dac than what’s in my iPhone or iPad. I’m sure most audiophiles would cringe at this response. I am much more of a music lover than an audiophile.
Several friend s have expensive external dacs . Honestly, the change in sound quality vs. mine (with my ears) is minimal at best, not to mention a considerable expense.
Lastly, with my custom installs, I literally have very little room for an external dac or bigger Wiim…live and learn.
I’ll save my time and money, abort the external dac / a Wiim upgrade idea and just keep enjoying my music as configured. If anything, I’ll consider getting a Wiim Mini’ for each of my systems for airplay convenience or occasional whole house tunes when desired.
Thanks for your input. Much appreciated!
Love it!
Who's you know who?
Intro is way too long.