@@justs_ Yeah. It's a guy called Initial T (fitting name). Though, the way he explained his control mapping made me (and understandably a few others) think that he's basically using a giant unconventional pad. Which is a bit of a bummer, but still impressive.
My favorite configuration is a Korean myoungshin bat top lever and Sanwa buttons. Korean levers feel more like a precise version of the American sticks. I also prefer keyboard on Rising Thunder, and for Smash, I can't imagine using anything other than the GC controller because of the analog movement.
+Core-A Gaming ty again for your work man. I always was a pad player, because i have only 2 arcade cabinets in our city. And one of them is Tekken 5. No long time ago i buy a stick for my self on Aliexpress. And i think it has Japaneese stick and Sanwa buttons. My good friend inspect it, and say that it is True. That stick cost me around 85$. I know, that better buy stick min for 200-250$, but USD in Ukraine (or in my case DPR) is very expensive. Here is my question. Is it possible that i have Stick (6 buttons + start and select) with very good parts, but from uknown company for 85$?
Core-A Gaming well the only one dislike in this stick that i found, was a (sorry for my bad english) buttons are way closer to stick. But as first stick i think its very good.
+Core-A Gaming I played with a pad since 6yo and decided to swap to keyboard 7 years back for arcade and fighting games when I discovered "m.a.m.e" on the pc and it felt way more natural then a pad. Got my first stick a year back and I loved it and was even easier but the stick broke (rather got fried) a couple months back and now i'm back to keyboard and I'm glad I can use both things no problems. Just wanted to say to people who thinks that fighting games are unplayable on keyboard that they really should try more then 5min before saying anything because if that's all what you have and you love fighting games.. at the end of the day is just inputs and it boils down to how accurate you can do them, that's it.
Why don’t they just use an octagon like on the GC controller? I feel like it might even be easier to manufacture because you would only have to deal with straight lines, but what do I know.
Republica Austriaca wouldn’t an octagon make it easier to input all of the cardinal directions and diagonals? Just wondering, cuz slipping wouldn’t be a problem for games where you only need 8 directions, and games where you do could still benefit from being able to input the 8 direction more reliably. As long as you don’t push to hard, or your gate isn’t lubed or something, then I don’t think slipping should be that big of a problem.
I use a guitar hero 2 X-plorer model. There is a good firmware update that allows you to use the whammy bar as stick input and I already know how to tap Through the Fire and the Flames on Expert so even the tightest combos are easy for me. I don't doubt some of the pros will start abusing this technology once they see me smash pools this year at Evo.
Ever since I saw a guy play Darksouls with bananas, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter that much what controller you use. If you are really good at a game, you're really good at a game.
I love how the video constantly makes fun of a steering wheel controller and the fact that Initial-T won Guilty Gear Rev 2 competition using it and that few months later they have a documentary about it
I think another big consideration is how these games are designed. For example, Zangief's full circle throws and some of Vega's specials are clearly not designed for playing with a d-pad. I used to play SF4 on my PC keyboard and it was by far the most precise controls I've used for characters like Ryu.
Nick thats true for the most part but it’s more that it’s difficult. He mentions SnakeEyez who is popularly known as a pad Zangief player. I some kinda go with it and adapt. But I definitely prefer to use full rotation grapplers and charge characters on stick vs pad
You need to make more videos. There's an honest craving in me for your writing. Its hard to sate elsewhere. You're a true journalist. You put the mic right on the subject itself and then turn toward the audience to form their own thoughts. There isn't anything you've produced that leaves the viewer less capable than what they were when it started. That's a powerful capacity for information, and its a passion that is sorely needed in our hearts.
yeah, that controller isnt viable at all fam. for starters. its very small and very uncomfortable to hold. and you need to wash the controller like every week like wtf man i know its waterproof but still washing a controller every week? it sucks man. but okay, use a low tier controller
DarkAnti The controller decomposes too quickly. It wears down after a month or so. However, new ones are practically free to get so I see where you’re coming from.
I found this channel like an hour ago, well the music, the content and everything, damn man I can't even concentrate on the video while thinking about the quality of the thing Im watching. So classy. Daaamn. You have my eternal graditude for making that classy content.
I really like Arcade sticks because of my disability my left fingers have very poor motor skills and they're very shaky. When i bought Street fighter 5 on PC as my first fighting game since TEKKEN 3 i started playing it with my xbox 360 gamepad only to find out that due to the travel time of the trigger buttons LT and RT wich control heavy kick and V-reverse and the fact i couldn't do Critical Arts, most EX moves and no SPD's/DP's that it wasn't gonna work. Then a friend of mine saw on steam that i bought Street Fighter 5 and called me and said ''i guess you're having trouble with your left hand can i come over? i want to show you something.'' And then he came over with his fight stick a madcatz TE2 and because it allowed me to use my whole hand to move the stick around ny twitchy fingers are no longer a problem. AS i type this i ordered my own madcatz TE2 and it has just arrived at the post office and they open in 2 hours so i can pick it up then :)
I tried using Arcade sticks to play fighting games, but it just did not feel right to me. Nowadays I use gamepads. I usually use a Switch Pro Controller (Xenoblade 2 version), Hori Fighting Commander series pads, etc for fighting games (and others). Just use whatever controller that is comfortable to you.
Have you ever tried to use a stick to play meele or any smash game? I have, and its litterly ass. you can't move the stick around fast enough to be able to perform the things that you need to do.
The more I watch of this stuff, the more I'm sad, that there were no arcades where I grew up in the 90ies 😭 I only knew them from movies and always wanted to be at one. Even now I don't know of any in my country
You can just make one by buying off arcade machines, or if you're on a budget just customize sticks and attach them to boards or a computer running MAME.
When I introduce my friends to fighting games, they tell me that they are really intimidated when I bring my fight stick with me to play with them. I tell them that some of the best players in the world are pad warriors, and that they absolutely do not need to drop money to get good at fighting games. I play on a stick, and I'm still horrible. The controller does not make the player.
+ThatFreakingCat lol my friends say "you only win cause you got the stick" then I'm like "ok" and hand it to them and proceed to still body them with a controller while they proceed to wreck my stick mashing on my buttons and then never get to touch it again XD
I just recently picked up keyboard as a method for playing guilty gear since i grew up playing games on pc and i'm surprised how natural it feels. As long as you make sure the key mapping fits you, the motions feel way more natural than they ever have before
It also depends on which SF character u choose. Different characters have different advantages or disadvantages to using or not using a gamepad controller vs a joystick.
And here I am, the one person who uses the Wii mote and Nunchuck for Smash. Why? _Because it's the controller I grew up with, and am comfortable with!_
I’m a d-pad warrior, quick little story, in Daly City California there was a game store called videots or something like that and it was like a mom and pop rental store except all video games. Street fighter 2 turbo had been recently out and had gained some experience on techs such as zoning and picking up patterns and countering, anyway there was a no older dude like in his mid twenties and I was like 14 maybe. Anyway i would jump up and Hurricane kick over him and i noticed my recover time from a light Hurricane kick mid air was fast so after landing on the other side of him i would dragon punch immediately and would usually hit him. He was getting mad and said hold on I’ll be right back I’m going to get my sticks. Came back with an arcade stick and kept playing and i was still beating him. I’m over 40 now with a ps2 controller to usb playing mc2 on ps3. Still fun when i encounter my adversaries, I enjoy getting a win and upsetting their win streak. Right now I’m using the hori fighting commander it’s pretty cool
a year late but jesus fuck that would be hellish, i tried playing overwatch with one once and aside from a hype and probably more luck than skill-related widowmaker headshot at the beginning of that little adventure, i got rekt
The Neo Geo Pocket Color had a controls that haven't really been replicated on anything else, and that's a shame, because it's a really interesting design. Instead of a d-pad, it used a miniature thumb stick with microswitches. This makes it both fluid and definite. If you get an opportunity to play SNK vs. Capcom: The Match of the Millennium on one, do so, and you'll see what I mean.
It's actually the most brilliant stick ever! All the precision of a dpad but really easy to pull off the z-movements for dragon punches. Just such brilliant design!
After being salty and losing a domestic Street Fighter Tournament final with my cousin’s, I just sat down to watch this, only to find out that Arcade Sticks just weren’t for me. Flash forward about 3 months. And I played with a control pad. And guess who just kikokened there way to the top! Thanks Gerald!
Keyboard warrior here. Always amused me how people say you can't win with a keyboard, then go around and moan about how hitbox is OP even though it's pretty much just an expensive keyboard.
+Roy Bread - I find it funny that using anything but an arcade-stick for fighting-games gets you mocked. Hitbox and keyboards "magically" get rid of difficult execution barriers and pad just makes execution "too difficult," to play any fighter.
+Fernando Martin What makes Commander 4 special for me is the ability to use 8 action buttons with the right hand and the use the left hand solely for directional input. It's like an arcade stick on a pad :-P
Finally switched to a fight stick and I enjoy it. I got used to it quickly, I was surprised. It is a bit loud so no playing while people are napping. If you are considering one get the square style joystick it's easier to stick low block.
Personally I think when it comes to fighting games a keyboard offers the most control But since I grew up playing primarily xbox, I mainly just use a xbox controller
I have been wondering why haven't anyone mentioned saturn pad, it has all the basic controls for fighting games. abc and xyz for l,m,h punch/kick, and two shoulder buttons for l+m+h. I don't know why people buy razer raion or the madcatz fightpad, they are literally saturn pad with modern design, yet they cost like $80. You can get usb saturn pad for like $10.
I always used a pad through and through, but a while ago I decided to try out a basic Hori mini fightstick for PS4. It wasn't as difficult to get used to as I thought, and there were some inputs and motions that I found surprisingly easier to do. On the other hand, there were some that were definitely harder, so I really do think it just comes down to what you're comfortable with.
I have been playing Tekken Tag 2 with a 360 circle pad, and I had been using it for a few years, I got to a pretty high rank with the pad, of course I have been using shameless tactics such as spamming, grabs, and repetitive move usage, but I think it's okay, as long as I improve more into my combos I'll use less of them. The stick... well, I hadn't played a lot of matches there, I have been using it only in arcades, but I can guess say it's like the pad, but move move-y, where the pad you kinda stay in one place.
I use Qanba and MadCatz arcade sticks for fighting games (I'm primarily using the Qanba Obsidian 2 as of now), and I will say that what matters more is your experience with whichever controller(s) you use and how well you adapt to using it, no matter if it's a pad, a stick, or a leverless controller.
Pad Player 4 life since 1992 when the sega genesis first launched the legendary 6 buttons fighting pad ( the perfect controller to play SF2 in that time ) now almost 30yrs Later ... i still use my (Sega Saturn) & (mad catz SFxTekken) pad to compete in tournaments, online & good old school Couch-Play & gatherings here in Puerto Rico.
the quote “its easy to doubt yourself when your doing something thats never been done before” has lived rent free in my head since i watched this video when it came out
Most of smash 4 patch were actually pretty competitive, fixing stronger characters and helping the lower tiers save for a few that did not get the chance. Not to mention bringing back DI and changing shields to make them a bit less safe overall which are changes that almost had no effect on the casual players.
A good proof that you don't know anything you're talking about if you can't even remember a major change like the one done to shield. They also made perfect shield harder, in addition to making normal shields less safe. Probably for the casuals too. They never changed Greninja counter either, even more bullshit. Corrin counter had no reason to be that much better than any other counter, casual play or not that was a dumb choice and they nerfed it . Very few characters made viable by buffs? Marth & lucina, Mewtwo, Luigi, Geninja (yes, he has way more buffs than nerfs, you're welcome), Dk, Bowser, Meta-knight, and probably more. Characters like Shulk, Charizard, Falco,Link,Ike, etc were unplayable at release and had so many buffs they are now pretty decent .. Who got the most nerfs? Ho right, top tiers in competitive. ZSS win rate on casual is very low. Guess what? Yeah, nerfed. Bayo, Cloud, Sheik, a few (too) small one for Rosa, Diddy, Luigi (to be buffed again, probably because the casual cried for combo they couldn't pull out anyway,I guess) .. TLDR : You are full of shit and putting Corrin counter as an example (while she had many nerfs actually, since they found her too strong after release, nothing weird to tone her town a bit) or changes that did not happen like greninja counter does not help your case. Good day.
just stumbled upon your channel and i watched like 10 vids back to back. Very nice work on piecing together the research with the visuals. Everything flows so well in all your vids! Just subbed!
Tfw I'll have to make my own fight stick because finding one with the buttons on the left is a pain and a half. ...And I also want to throw some directional keys into it.
Hey, I'm new to all of this. But I've played fighting games on keyboards for the longest. Are keyboards allowed? Also, am I allowed to set up my own button configuration or is it assigned to me? Thank you
The Holy Schois it obviously depends on where you're at, but in an actual competitive tournament anything that can be used to play fighting games can be used.
As far as general controllers are concerned, I personally prefer the controllers whose analog sticks had 8-corners each, such as the Nintendo Gamecube Controller or Nintendo Wii Classic Controller Pro. The added rigidity of motion seemed especially helpful for games that demanded a very high degree of directional precision, such as platforming and racing games. (I do wonder if they're currently patented.) Of course, I do believe that these kinds of control sticks, compared to the ones with a circular outline like the PlayStation controllers, might not be optimal for use in a fighting game, especially when circular motions are needed.
The Wii CC Pro is fantastic for fighting games, a genre that was virtually nonexistent on its home platform. Seriously, it had all the good bits you need: all four shoulder buttons had equal activation pressure, the stick was gated, and the D-pad was good as ever. That, and it's not impossible to find a used one for dirt cheap, then slap a Mayflash USB adapter onto it and off you go son
Octagonal outer gate is patented under US6102803A, which expired a couple years back. Given disclosure grace, corresponding patents should be expired all across the world this or last year. There is another directional guidance system that appeared at the time. Instead of using the gate, SEGA Dreamcast controller modifies the return spring preload, gently guiding you towards the 8 principal directions. To the advantage of SEGA's construction is to be said that the stick mechanism is extremely wear-resistant, electrically contactless, has very decisive centering and high throw, and provides guidance even at low excursion. To its disadvantage can be said that judging the throw by feel can be difficult and the high return force can be tiresome, especially when trying to hit non-principal directions a lot.
I played fighting games with pads, but recently I saw videos about the hitbox and they convinced me to try Keyboard while I get my hands on one of those
“It’s easy to question yourself when you’re doing something that’s never been done before, but not letting that break you is what I think defines a champion.” Damn, hit that one home
“It is a new step towards independence, once a man dares to express opinions that bring disgrace on him if he entertains them; then even his friends and acquaintances begin to grow anxious. The man of talent must pass through this fire, too; afterwards he is much more his own person.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche
I use a keyboard with the arrow keys for movement, and the numpad for everything else. If you're curious, I'll reference UMvC3 for controls Arrow keys for movement, NUM1 - LIGHT NUM5 - MEDIUM NUM6 - HEAVY NUM0 - SPECIAL NUM2 - ASSIST 1 NUM+ - ASSIST 2 NUM7 - TAUNT NUM3 - ASSIST 1 + 2 (Or Easy Hyper Combo) I kinda came up with this due to my frustration with not being able to move fast enough with a gamepad, I looked at Fighting Game Sticks and thought about emulating that onto a keyboard.
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I play smash so there is only one controller option
DK bongos
SIY nah it’s the gcn keyboard
Nah dude the toaster oven is the most optimal choice. But I personally prefer the NES hands-free controller (look it up).
I play Power Stone on Dreamcast so the only controller for me is the Samba de Amigo maracas.
Wiimote and nunchuck
Wii shotgun peripheral
>Core-A: Use a pad or stick for fighting games
>Initial-T: Hold my wheel
>Initial-T: Actually wait, I need that back.
*eurobeat intensifies
Nani?! Projectile dorifto?!
AVGN baby
"As long as you're not using one of these..."
That wheel beat Dark Souls, I'll have you know. How dare you controller shame me.
If were going by that logic then all we need to play street fighter is a bunch of bananas and wires.
Didn’t someone beat another highly skilled player using the wheel controller in Guilty Gear?
@@justs_ Yeah. It's a guy called Initial T (fitting name). Though, the way he explained his control mapping made me (and understandably a few others) think that he's basically using a giant unconventional pad. Which is a bit of a bummer, but still impressive.
there was also a rhythm gamer who used spoons as controls
@@uwillDIEinkoriDIE there is some german guy who once played league with bananas and wires
I wanna see someone win evo with a keyboard
too bad keyboards and hitboxes are not tournament legal
no there not
The Twisted Hero they are not evo allows them as do most
u sure? i was almost sure they were
***** You know i'm not 100% sure but evo has a rules page on there website and It does not mention them
Pfft, Ameteurs. I use a sundial and control the sunlight using the strings of my window blinds.
M Kasim pffft. Pathetic, try to match up to my homemade dk bongos.
Pfft, scrubs. I use a drum kit to kick ass.
Pfft I use a home made mouse suited for my foot
Low mortals, I tune my body electricity to send the signals through a wire to the controller input
@@AdalHRivera I use a kite to capture lighting bolt and send the electrical inputs to my organic light keyboard
These players having a different types of controllers with different parts is like a anime.... like beyblade
you've got the driver, the disc, and the layer
The game characters must be bit-beasts then.
I didnt know you played fighting games
Cringe
@@jaguardentk kinda
But it is a strong comparison
smash melee = game cube
street fighter = fight stick
tekken = fight stick
mortal kombat = dualshock
smash ultimate = ONE JOYCON
As someone who has played five matches of smash ultimate, why is that? I played with one joycon and It felt too small.
curco escopetaloca vein that’s the joke
False lil majin uses controller and is a beast with it
I'm more of a keyboard guy when it comes to Ultimate.
I play mortal Kombat on stick.
I will win the evo with NES power glove
Rob the robot's gona win it for me.
I'll beat you with my nes controller wallet!
Convex Cornet 😂😂😂😂 I remember that thing!
The Guitar is for plebs, only real pros use the drums.
Oml xD
Inb4 2099 EVO someone wins with a totally unmodified empty soft drink bottle
Thats too OP
I wanna see someone win a tournament with that Bluetooth beer can controller they have out as a tourney prize
My favorite configuration is a Korean myoungshin bat top lever and Sanwa buttons. Korean levers feel more like a precise version of the American sticks. I also prefer keyboard on Rising Thunder, and for Smash, I can't imagine using anything other than the GC controller because of the analog movement.
+Core-A Gaming ty again for your work man.
I always was a pad player, because i have only 2 arcade cabinets in our city. And one of them is Tekken 5.
No long time ago i buy a stick for my self on Aliexpress. And i think it has Japaneese stick and Sanwa buttons. My good friend inspect it, and say that it is True. That stick cost me around 85$. I know, that better buy stick min for 200-250$, but USD in Ukraine (or in my case DPR) is very expensive.
Here is my question. Is it possible that i have Stick (6 buttons + start and select) with very good parts, but from uknown company for 85$?
+Никита Звада The parts are really important, but I learned that the controller itself feels very different depending on weight and spacing.
Core-A Gaming
well the only one dislike in this stick that i found, was a (sorry for my bad english) buttons are way closer to stick. But as first stick i think its very good.
+Core-A Gaming I played with a pad since 6yo and decided to swap to keyboard 7 years back for arcade and fighting games when I discovered "m.a.m.e" on the pc and it felt way more natural then a pad. Got my first stick a year back and I loved it and was even easier but the stick broke (rather got fried) a couple months back and now i'm back to keyboard and I'm glad I can use both things no problems.
Just wanted to say to people who thinks that fighting games are unplayable on keyboard that they really should try more then 5min before saying anything because if that's all what you have and you love fighting games.. at the end of the day is just inputs and it boils down to how accurate you can do them, that's it.
+Core-A Gaming Great video, but where is the Gamecube Controller? Melee and Smash 4 arent that small that they dont deserve to be talken about
It's rare for a video to be this researched and educational, while still telling us nothing. XD
Well done and I'm glad I watched.
BologneyT I thought he was at least go say which is better but all he kept saying was "it's what ever your preference is"
BologneyT It's not rare, you just have to know where to look.
+Robert+ I thought something similar to that
At least he told us near the beginning what the conclusion would be
to be fair, the video isn't "what's the best controller to win EVO", but "the controllers that have won evo"
I agree with every single thing said in this video
US - “We got this new evolution for our stick! Its now a circle”
Japan-“just turn the square 90 degrees lol”
45*
Why don’t they just use an octagon like on the GC controller? I feel like it might even be easier to manufacture because you would only have to deal with straight lines, but what do I know.
Republica Austriaca wouldn’t an octagon make it easier to input all of the cardinal directions and diagonals? Just wondering, cuz slipping wouldn’t be a problem for games where you only need 8 directions, and games where you do could still benefit from being able to input the 8 direction more reliably. As long as you don’t push to hard, or your gate isn’t lubed or something, then I don’t think slipping should be that big of a problem.
This reminds me of NASA spending all that money to research and develop the ballpoint pen for use in space, while the Russians simply used a pencil.
turning the square 90 degrees would do nothing lol its 45 degrees *squeal*
What?! No evo wins using an eyetoy. Pansies, every last one of them.
Lol
Jake Reason Ahh the eyetoy,an attachment I will never forget
Fuuuuuuuck eyetoy was the shit
i still have that shit, too bad lots of people forgot about it
I'm just waiting for the Eyetoy remastered, idc what anyone says.
I use a guitar hero 2 X-plorer model. There is a good firmware update that allows you to use the whammy bar as stick input and I already know how to tap Through the Fire and the Flames on Expert so even the tightest combos are easy for me. I don't doubt some of the pros will start abusing this technology once they see me smash pools this year at Evo.
Too bad you didn't just learn how to actually play guitar...
If you win evo, you can fc megalodon.
why are you guys being mean to him? he was just saying something funny
I would pay to watch someone play competitively like this
Ever since I saw a guy play Darksouls with bananas, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter that much what controller you use. If you are really good at a game, you're really good at a game.
Soon, I'll win evo with wii nunchucks!
I'll be using the power glove!
+Wrong Code I'll use my guitar hero controller
I'll be using my Atari 2600 joystick with a cherry mod switch and with this upgrade you will never stand a chance.
Not........they don't allow wireless controllers.
They do, actually. However, you must disconnect the controller from the console after a match, otherwise you _will_ be disqualified.
*_What about the Dreamcast Fishing Rod Controller?_*
*_it's GODLY._*
Problem X just won SFV EVO using a PAD. There is no excuse now.
So many casuals here. I use levers and pulleys to play SF.
Xuvial That's nothing. Until you learn how to play with the Kinect you're training is not complete.
I use the delicate flaps of a butterfly's wings to create air currents that focus EM radiation on certain portions of an exposed console.
+Brandon Pack there's a lisp function for that
Shit, now I can't get that xkcd comic out of my head...
Xuvial I use a bookshelf
If someone pulled some voodoo magic and got good at a fighting game with a driving wheel, it'd make history.
DP inputes on a driving wheel would be a nightmare to pull off.
.welp search up intial T
Anything is possible with enough practice
I love how the video constantly makes fun of a steering wheel controller and the fact that Initial-T won Guilty Gear Rev 2 competition using it and that few months later they have a documentary about it
Foreshadowing.
I think another big consideration is how these games are designed. For example, Zangief's full circle throws and some of Vega's specials are clearly not designed for playing with a d-pad. I used to play SF4 on my PC keyboard and it was by far the most precise controls I've used for characters like Ryu.
Nick thats true for the most part but it’s more that it’s difficult. He mentions SnakeEyez who is popularly known as a pad Zangief player. I some kinda go with it and adapt. But I definitely prefer to use full rotation grapplers and charge characters on stick vs pad
You need to make more videos. There's an honest craving in me for your writing. Its hard to sate elsewhere. You're a true journalist. You put the mic right on the subject itself and then turn toward the audience to form their own thoughts. There isn't anything you've produced that leaves the viewer less capable than what they were when it started. That's a powerful capacity for information, and its a passion that is sorely needed in our hearts.
I think Mockrock makes similar quality essays on fighting games. He’s much more smash oriented, but it scratches a similar itch for me.
i wanna win one of these tournaments with a mouse. A literal dead mouse.
But that's a BAAAD SELECTION.
yeah, that controller isnt viable at all fam.
for starters. its very small and very uncomfortable to hold.
and you need to wash the controller like every week like wtf man
i know its waterproof but still washing a controller every week?
it sucks man. but okay, use a low tier controller
Why a dead mouse, actually... why a literal mouse at all?
Then good news, I have free mice.
If you can catch them, they're yours. ;)
DarkAnti The controller decomposes too quickly. It wears down after a month or so. However, new ones are practically free to get so I see where you’re coming from.
The obvious controller choice is either the Samba de Amigo maracas or the Playstation Move controllers. There's absolutely no debate.
Scrub, real men use the DK bongos or a guitar hero bass guitar.
Queen ♀
Hi Queen.
You losers call those controllers? Real men use Dance Dance revolution mats.
I beat EVO using the drum kit from Rock Band.
Very well made video, great job
Thanks :)
You lied to us dude, all hail Initial T.
Yo what a legend!
I found this channel like an hour ago, well the music, the content and everything, damn man I can't even concentrate on the video while thinking about the quality of the thing Im watching. So classy. Daaamn. You have my eternal graditude for making that classy content.
I really like Arcade sticks because of my disability my left fingers have very poor motor skills and they're very shaky.
When i bought Street fighter 5 on PC as my first fighting game since TEKKEN 3 i started playing it with my xbox 360 gamepad only to find out that due to the travel time of the trigger buttons LT and RT wich control heavy kick and V-reverse and the fact i couldn't do Critical Arts, most EX moves and no SPD's/DP's that it wasn't gonna work.
Then a friend of mine saw on steam that i bought Street Fighter 5 and called me and said ''i guess you're having trouble with your left hand can i come over? i want to show you something.''
And then he came over with his fight stick a madcatz TE2 and because it allowed me to use my whole hand to move the stick around ny twitchy fingers are no longer a problem.
AS i type this i ordered my own madcatz TE2 and it has just arrived at the post office and they open in 2 hours so i can pick it up then :)
legs0fsteel hey I know this comment is a year old but how are you liking it?
Good news, Man. Hope there is some way to recover your fingers.
I tried using Arcade sticks to play fighting games, but it just did not feel right to me. Nowadays I use gamepads. I usually use a Switch Pro Controller (Xenoblade 2 version), Hori Fighting Commander series pads, etc for fighting games (and others).
Just use whatever controller that is comfortable to you.
the controllers used to win melee:
Game Cube controller
+CEWL WILL and bongos
Have you ever tried to use a stick to play meele or any smash game?
I have, and its litterly ass. you can't move the stick around fast enough to be able to perform the things that you need to do.
+blazing knights shout outs to dk jungle beat
+vioda street fighter fanboys are dicks
***** hey at least our games take real skill not just button smashing
The more I watch of this stuff, the more I'm sad, that there were no arcades where I grew up in the 90ies 😭 I only knew them from movies and always wanted to be at one. Even now I don't know of any in my country
Your missing out BIG time
@@Bartman36SeasonsStrong Please stop making him sadder, man.
@@nope1959
No
You can just make one by buying off arcade machines, or if you're on a budget just customize sticks and attach them to boards or a computer running MAME.
Round 1 arcades are pretty solid. There's a back half with plenty of Japanese rhythm and fighting game cabinets.
JOYCON BOYZ
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flex zay rip
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fuck bro this hurts
After a few rounds of fighting, your joycon stick would inevitably start drifting. Thus winning the game in your stead.
I'm a simple man.
I hear Third strike songs. I give a like.
And the video was very informative and well done! Keep up the good work.
+Unpetraccable Haha, I heard Karin's theme from Alpha 3
0:37 Google Ads knows what's up
When I introduce my friends to fighting games, they tell me that they are really intimidated when I bring my fight stick with me to play with them.
I tell them that some of the best players in the world are pad warriors, and that they absolutely do not need to drop money to get good at fighting games. I play on a stick, and I'm still horrible. The controller does not make the player.
+ThatFreakingCat Lol, show him this video :)
+ThatFreakingCat lmao i suck at fighting games so if i saw my friend bringing one of those over id be like oh fuck
+ThatFreakingCat lol my friends say "you only win cause you got the stick" then I'm like "ok" and hand it to them and proceed to still body them with a controller while they proceed to wreck my stick mashing on my buttons and then never get to touch it again XD
Literally only bought a stick because using pads hurt my thumbs. Pad, stick, hitbox, wheel, DK bongos, play however you want
6:09 if this guy jumped in a lake, it'd turn into an ocean
I just recently picked up keyboard as a method for playing guilty gear since i grew up playing games on pc and i'm surprised how natural it feels. As long as you make sure the key mapping fits you, the motions feel way more natural than they ever have before
I'll have to give it a try!
Can somebody just win Evo using a wheel already?
Deprnding on the wheel you use and how you map the controls, it might be possible
Considering that most wheels hae the entire controller layout integrated for menus and stuff, that should work fine.
You got your wish
*cough* Initial-T *cough*
@@spookiebruh6743 Yeah Initial T beat the Guilty Gear Chanp in Top 8 with a steering wheel
It also depends on which SF character u choose. Different characters have different advantages or disadvantages to using or not using a gamepad controller vs a joystick.
Especially Zangief's 360 and 720 on keyboard 🥲
That feel when you realize even the Simpsons version is too old for you.
Lol
And here I am, the one person who uses the Wii mote and Nunchuck for Smash.
Why?
_Because it's the controller I grew up with, and am comfortable with!_
I grew up playing with that too, but I rather have just the wii remote without the nunchuck. Still, I respect your opinion.
Thanks.
Yeah, I've triedusing just the Wii-mote, and I'm not very good at it, but I'm sure it's not the controller's fault. I'm just not used to it.
I'm prety sure ScAtt uses the Wiimote + Nunchuck. There are actually some inputs that are easier with it.
Nizondo Yeah, they mention it in the PGR v2 video. Also, *insert smashbox joke*
You aren't the only one
I’m a d-pad warrior, quick little story, in Daly City California there was a game store called videots or something like that and it was like a mom and pop rental store except all video games. Street fighter 2 turbo had been recently out and had gained some experience on techs such as zoning and picking up patterns and countering, anyway there was a no older dude like in his mid twenties and I was like 14 maybe. Anyway i would jump up and Hurricane kick over him and i noticed my recover time from a light Hurricane kick mid air was fast so after landing on the other side of him i would dragon punch immediately and would usually hit him. He was getting mad and said hold on I’ll be right back I’m going to get my sticks. Came back with an arcade stick and kept playing and i was still beating him. I’m over 40 now with a ps2 controller to usb playing mc2 on ps3. Still fun when i encounter my adversaries, I enjoy getting a win and upsetting their win streak. Right now I’m using the hori fighting commander it’s pretty cool
2:58 holy fuck that sakuya stick looks super badass
And in smash, we just use Gamecube controllers... That's it
Hey at least you don't have to spend +200 dollars on a stick at least
Eric Sandoval Yeah, ive always been thankful for that
Wii u pro contoller is better than GCC
And some people use Nunchuk + Wiimote
Xeiter X The only real top player who does that is Scatt tho
Y’all are scrubs with your DK Bongos and NES Zappers. I play Minecraft with a Wacom tablet. (Trust me that is far more impressive than it sounds)
a year late but jesus fuck that would be hellish, i tried playing overwatch with one once and aside from a hype and probably more luck than skill-related widowmaker headshot at the beginning of that little adventure, i got rekt
It's doable if you set it to mouse mode. In tablet mode, though...
It's a good way to practice surgery
huion >:)
@@Poketrainer317 wacom gang
You got a tablet to work for an fps? I tried using one for tf2 and cs but it wouldn't aim anywhere
as much as it breaks my heart but due to my disability i am retiring from using controllers to play street fighter v and switching to a fight stick
your videos are very... very... good
Thanks, there's more to come!
4:45 That was literally one of the only details from the that movie I remember; I think I was 7.
The Neo Geo Pocket Color had a controls that haven't really been replicated on anything else, and that's a shame, because it's a really interesting design. Instead of a d-pad, it used a miniature thumb stick with microswitches. This makes it both fluid and definite. If you get an opportunity to play SNK vs. Capcom: The Match of the Millennium on one, do so, and you'll see what I mean.
It's actually the most brilliant stick ever! All the precision of a dpad but really easy to pull off the z-movements for dragon punches. Just such brilliant design!
pretty sure that the neo geo cd has a controller like that
you didn't mention smug. he uses a default Xbox 360 controller with default controls.
+Minizor27 Doh, slipped my mind. Smug is a beast.
+Core-A Gaming Phenom aswell!
+stuwee3 idk, try looking it up. he did excellent adventures if that helps.
+Minizor27 Smug does use an Xbox controller yes but almost all the other players mentioned were Evo Champions. Or at least international champions.
SonicFox plays with a Dualshock 4
After being salty and losing a domestic Street Fighter Tournament final with my cousin’s, I just sat down to watch this, only to find out that Arcade Sticks just weren’t for me. Flash forward about 3 months. And I played with a control pad. And guess who just kikokened there way to the top! Thanks Gerald!
Keyboard warrior here. Always amused me how people say you can't win with a keyboard, then go around and moan about how hitbox is OP even though it's pretty much just an expensive keyboard.
+Roy Bread - I find it funny that using anything but an arcade-stick for fighting-games gets you mocked. Hitbox and keyboards "magically" get rid of difficult execution barriers and pad just makes execution "too difficult," to play any fighter.
Me: *chuckles*
Casuals
*glances at Gucci Smart Toilet*
I think this was the first Core A Gaming video I watched and boy what an introduction
Hori Fighting Commander 4 here!
Same
+Fernando Martin Same, love it.
+Fernando Martin What makes Commander 4 special for me is the ability to use 8 action buttons with the right hand and the use the left hand solely for directional input. It's like an arcade stick on a pad :-P
pad is amazing
How is the durability of these? I'm thinking on getting one soon.
Finally switched to a fight stick and I enjoy it. I got used to it quickly, I was surprised. It is a bit loud so no playing while people are napping. If you are considering one get the square style joystick it's easier to stick low block.
Personally I think when it comes to fighting games a keyboard offers the most control
But since I grew up playing primarily xbox, I mainly just use a xbox controller
I find keyboard hard to use, the inputs need to be very precise, in brawlhalla at least.
i use the stirring wheel for fighting games. i win every time
Kotaku doesn't understand ANYTHING about gaming any more. It's a shitfest over there.
+Asdayasman Gaming, anime... Is there anything they know anything about?
+Rafał Sobczyk Intersectional feminism.
+Asdayasman Isnt Kotaku feminism agenda site?
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Kotaku is a joke, but where do they place in comparison to Polygon?
Sega Saturn, perfection.
I have been wondering why haven't anyone mentioned saturn pad, it has all the basic controls for fighting games. abc and xyz for l,m,h punch/kick, and two shoulder buttons for l+m+h. I don't know why people buy razer raion or the madcatz fightpad, they are literally saturn pad with modern design, yet they cost like $80. You can get usb saturn pad for like $10.
That GC controller clip you slipped in at the very last second XD
I always used a pad through and through, but a while ago I decided to try out a basic Hori mini fightstick for PS4. It wasn't as difficult to get used to as I thought, and there were some inputs and motions that I found surprisingly easier to do. On the other hand, there were some that were definitely harder, so I really do think it just comes down to what you're comfortable with.
I have been playing Tekken Tag 2 with a 360 circle pad, and I had been using it for a few years, I got to a pretty high rank with the pad, of course I have been using shameless tactics such as spamming, grabs, and repetitive move usage, but I think it's okay, as long as I improve more into my combos I'll use less of them. The stick... well, I hadn't played a lot of matches there, I have been using it only in arcades, but I can guess say it's like the pad, but move move-y, where the pad you kinda stay in one place.
Sega Saturn controller is my favourite for fighting games
*I wanna see someone win with a Time Crisis PS1 Gun controller.*
🔫
I use Qanba and MadCatz arcade sticks for fighting games (I'm primarily using the Qanba Obsidian 2 as of now), and I will say that what matters more is your experience with whichever controller(s) you use and how well you adapt to using it, no matter if it's a pad, a stick, or a leverless controller.
"And you`re not using one of these." -> Initial T: "Hold my beer"
Pad Player 4 life since 1992 when the sega genesis first launched the legendary 6 buttons fighting pad ( the perfect controller to play SF2 in that time ) now almost 30yrs Later ... i still use my (Sega Saturn) & (mad catz SFxTekken) pad to compete in tournaments, online & good old school Couch-Play & gatherings here in Puerto Rico.
MARHVIN XII bro you live in Puerto Rico too I play smash though
I like to play sfiv and sfv with the guitar hero 1 controller
+Hlidskialfk You know you can get way more accuracy using the Rock Band 2 microphone right?
+purplegill10 seriously? shit, ill try.
+Hlidskialfk lol noobs. everyone knows dj hero turntable is far superior
+Baloney not nearly as good as the DK Bongos.
the quote “its easy to doubt yourself when your doing something thats never been done before” has lived rent free in my head since i watched this video when it came out
Dualshock all day. Never ever blame your equipment. If you disagree, look up a player who goes by BrolyLegs and come back to me.
+Theyungcity23 Check out NOM4D too, the dude has a nasty Laura and he plays with his fucking face.
+Theyungcity23 cant use DS3 because my fingers keep moving the stick when playing on the d-pad :(
Theyungcity23 Perfect shield drops. Shit don’t exist without a good controller.
0:09 Do some people really play SFV on wheels out there ?
with zangief, full circles all day.
That's actually SFIV.
What we learned: Harness the power of comfort.
I'm going to win EVO using my phone's touch screen pad. It'll be epic.
I like to think the GameCube remote is one of most creative considering that it was never designed to be played at a super competitive level
+GamingMadness242 Kinda like how Smash was never designed to be played competitively
Chris Tweten it's sad that a game never designed to be played technically is way more technical than most fighting games now a days
And you think SF2 was designed to be competitive? If so, think again.
Most of smash 4 patch were actually pretty competitive, fixing stronger characters and helping the lower tiers save for a few that did not get the chance. Not to mention bringing back DI and changing shields to make them a bit less safe overall which are changes that almost had no effect on the casual players.
A good proof that you don't know anything you're talking about if you can't even remember a major change like the one done to shield. They also made perfect shield harder, in addition to making normal shields less safe. Probably for the casuals too.
They never changed Greninja counter either, even more bullshit. Corrin counter had no reason to be that much better than any other counter, casual play or not that was a dumb choice and they nerfed it .
Very few characters made viable by buffs? Marth & lucina, Mewtwo, Luigi, Geninja (yes, he has way more buffs than nerfs, you're welcome), Dk, Bowser, Meta-knight, and probably more.
Characters like Shulk, Charizard, Falco,Link,Ike, etc were unplayable at release and had so many buffs they are now pretty decent ..
Who got the most nerfs? Ho right, top tiers in competitive. ZSS win rate on casual is very low. Guess what? Yeah, nerfed.
Bayo, Cloud, Sheik, a few (too) small one for Rosa, Diddy, Luigi (to be buffed again, probably because the casual cried for combo they couldn't pull out anyway,I guess) ..
TLDR : You are full of shit and putting Corrin counter as an example (while she had many nerfs actually, since they found her too strong after release, nothing weird to tone her town a bit) or changes that did not happen like greninja counter does not help your case. Good day.
ima go win evo with some wired bannana's wish me luck :P
No Name lol thnx
Nahh mate, DK bongo's is where it's at for the Smash 4
lol k
also gonna do it for wired bannaners for analog sticks ima main akuma gen and t hawk or cammy too. :P
With a controller like that, you won't need luck.
just stumbled upon your channel and i watched like 10 vids back to back. Very nice work on piecing together the research with the visuals. Everything flows so well in all your vids! Just subbed!
"aNd YoUrE nOt UsInG oNe Of ThEsE" - someone actually wins EVO with a steering wheel.
???
haha you used the fchamp getting owned clip
+Nunix #Justice
+Nunix That's Nico right there serving Justice.
HITBOX IN 2021 : AYYY MOVE, MOVE, I AM KING NOW
i have a hitbox and make a pretzel is too hard
Tfw I'll have to make my own fight stick because finding one with the buttons on the left is a pain and a half.
...And I also want to throw some directional keys into it.
Yo gimme an update. Let's see how it turned out.
Ayo how'd that go?
This video got Drifted away.
Anybody know what the clip from 0:54 is from?
keyboard users where you atttt
Hey, I'm new to all of this. But I've played fighting games on keyboards for the longest. Are keyboards allowed? Also, am I allowed to set up my own button configuration or is it assigned to me? Thank you
The Holy Schois it obviously depends on where you're at, but in an actual competitive tournament anything that can be used to play fighting games can be used.
me
here, tho only with Smash flash.
Brandon D yaaass
One more video sayin : both have advantages, both have downsides, chose the one that fits you most.
Thanks dude, really helpful
We need a new one with the rise of hitbox!
Pshh didnt say anything about Gamecube controllers
the ending
+super koopa 64 (IRBS) no there is not
blazing knights or should i say after the ending. plus he doesn't need to say anything,what other controler is there
Bongos
+blazing knights hah
As far as general controllers are concerned, I personally prefer the controllers whose analog sticks had 8-corners each, such as the Nintendo Gamecube Controller or Nintendo Wii Classic Controller Pro. The added rigidity of motion seemed especially helpful for games that demanded a very high degree of directional precision, such as platforming and racing games. (I do wonder if they're currently patented.)
Of course, I do believe that these kinds of control sticks, compared to the ones with a circular outline like the PlayStation controllers, might not be optimal for use in a fighting game, especially when circular motions are needed.
The Wii CC Pro is fantastic for fighting games, a genre that was virtually nonexistent on its home platform. Seriously, it had all the good bits you need: all four shoulder buttons had equal activation pressure, the stick was gated, and the D-pad was good as ever. That, and it's not impossible to find a used one for dirt cheap, then slap a Mayflash USB adapter onto it and off you go son
Octagonal outer gate is patented under US6102803A, which expired a couple years back. Given disclosure grace, corresponding patents should be expired all across the world this or last year.
There is another directional guidance system that appeared at the time. Instead of using the gate, SEGA Dreamcast controller modifies the return spring preload, gently guiding you towards the 8 principal directions. To the advantage of SEGA's construction is to be said that the stick mechanism is extremely wear-resistant, electrically contactless, has very decisive centering and high throw, and provides guidance even at low excursion. To its disadvantage can be said that judging the throw by feel can be difficult and the high return force can be tiresome, especially when trying to hit non-principal directions a lot.
I played fighting games with pads, but recently I saw videos about the hitbox and they convinced me to try Keyboard while I get my hands on one of those
“It’s easy to question yourself when you’re doing something that’s never been done before, but not letting that break you is what I think defines a champion.”
Damn, hit that one home
“It is a new step towards independence, once a man dares to express opinions that bring disgrace on him if he entertains them; then even his friends and acquaintances begin to grow anxious. The man of talent must pass through this fire, too; afterwards he is much more his own person.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
7:26 not aging well lmao
i was gonna say that LMAO
I would never have gotten into fighting games without leverless controllers, so an updated video including them would be ideal.
I use a Guitar hero controller when I'm feeling risky.
That’s some cool art for your profile where is it from?
0:38 DAT AD DOE
3:46
I have that same Arcade stick type, the SF4 tournament edition stick... I love using it :)
Who still have a ps1 controller
RealLife Master I have two of them
Wolf O'Donnell I do as well
I do...for some reason since I never have a Ps1 xd
I use a keyboard for fighting
I use a keyboard with the arrow keys for movement, and the numpad for everything else.
If you're curious, I'll reference UMvC3 for controls
Arrow keys for movement,
NUM1 - LIGHT
NUM5 - MEDIUM
NUM6 - HEAVY
NUM0 - SPECIAL
NUM2 - ASSIST 1
NUM+ - ASSIST 2
NUM7 - TAUNT
NUM3 - ASSIST 1 + 2 (Or Easy Hyper Combo)
I kinda came up with this due to my frustration with not being able to move fast enough with a gamepad, I looked at Fighting Game Sticks and thought about emulating that onto a keyboard.
meanwhile me with a keyboard
bruh im using a membrain keyboard and im kicking ass lamo
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