Or you know, use booster energy? Past forms have to rely on a mutated fox to function. Future forms have 2 “proper” counters to flutter mane (iron treads and iron crown). Past forms have 1…and it’s another flutter mane.
@@propernoun2028and said turtle is actually good. meanwhile pinurchin is nowhere near as bulky. yeah it has 101 attack and 91 sp atk but there’s no electric type equivalent to eruption. Best it has is supercell slam which was only recently added in the 2nd dlc
This, THIS. They literally had the easiest fucking prompt "make these pokemon look like they're from the future" and chose the LAZIEST option of making every single one of them just a robot. No other unique ideas, they don't even attempt to use different forms of robotics for their designs, just "x pokemon but metal" and thats why I'll always hate them.
Enen if they were rebuilt after the end of Pokemon.... We have Mewtwo, and Castform, and Porygon! We can create life. They should have had artificial creatures, and maybe altered aliens that may or may not even be pokemon
As a biology fan, I wanted the future Pokemon to be based on Speculative Evolution. Basically people speculating what an animal today would look like millions of years from now. Maybe that would look too much like the Past forms tho..?
yeah iron valiant is actually a beast in singles, treads also sees some use over tusk at times too. Iron valiant is one of if not the best mixed attacker so it can function as a really strong wall breaker, its fast enough that if it can be brought in it has the potential to sweep.
@@SERMareep2007 It does something interesting whit the Design, so im fine whit it. But you have to admit, GFs Idea of the Futur is incedible boring. It just turns everything into a Robot. No speculative Evolution or something like that.
we have iron valiant that's psychic and fairy. they should really ditch the iron naming for future pokemon because most of them aren't steel type to begin with
bro when i saw the iron val, i was like,,,,,,,, what??????... but then he mentions vgc, i was like ok, i will delete the big paragraph that i was about to write lmao
Depends, because return of Koko, means other Tapu will come back too. Fini, Lele and Rillaboom would be meta staples, so it wouldn't be at all reliable to get your boost from terrain.
Coulda just made a new (non-legendary) electric terrain setter too, one thats actually usable and not... pincurchin. Or give pincurchin volt switch, then it wouldnt even be half as bad.
Honestly, I like the IDEA behind the future Paradoxes all being largely uniform, with similar names and shinies. It invokes the idea of an optimized future where variety and creativity simply has no place. But even if the idea's nice, it doesn't change the fact that they're all uniform, uncreative designs that're lacking in variety, which makes them each boring, say for exceptions like Iron Valiant.
i cut them some slack because the appeal of the future forms is their animations. bundles neck extender, valiants arm blades, etc, since that is something the past forms lack. i love the idea too, but they couldve just been a little more creative and it woulve been fine.
If they leaned even farther into the energy/disconnected theme it would have been a lot cooler. Ie. Make T-tar comoletely segmented and magnetically connected like Iron Hands is. They could have been a bit more bizzare and unsettling, but played it safe. I can respect it, but it's a bit bland. I do love the uniform shinies though. The chrome crew is really cool team idea.
Iron Thorns really got the raw end of the deal. Tyranitar was good partly due to its sand cushioning from special attacks. Without sand, Thorns really struggles to take attacks, not even mentioning the 4x ground weakness
I'd cut the Future Paradoxes some slack on the Design aspect, because their entire appeal comes from their animations - Iron Bundle's jack-in-the-box neck, Iron Boulder's head-axe combination, and Iron Valiant's armblades that turn into a blade are elements that you can't normally know from their default renders, but these are very key aspects of these Pokémon that add an edge to them that the Ancient Paradoxes lack. Frankly, I don't quite understand why the Design aspect was included at all in the first place.
They are unique from a lore perspective because it’s something the series has never tackled before A dystopian future for Pokemon is an interesting concept The future forms are cyborgs not robots similar to armored mewtwo but the enhancements became permanent part of their physiology cuz if they were robots they’d all be pure electric and/or steel oe dual typed but they don’t they all retain at least one of their original types meaning that it’s lineage/biology is still part of it deep down either they did it to themselves or humans did it as a way to either act inhumanely or as a way to preserve them I think they all just overtime just became cyborgs down the line without going extinct maybe endangered or a way to keep them from being endangered Or just a way to advance evolution in a selfish way The reason the lore calls them robots is because they don’t know much about them so all the modern day people are doing is assuming For sandy shocks my guess is that it used to look like a regular Pokémon but adapted to being exposed to some sort of ancient form of metal Sort of like Pokémon’s version of vibranium and then overtime became sandy shocks and then the magnemite line The metal could have come from space explaining why magnezone resembles a UFO They weren’t named by the people of the future and past they were named by the people of present day who don’t know anything about them and just came up with something to describe them It’s no different than how we name newly discovered fossils
I'd argue that the animations only really elevate the ones that had solid designs to begin with outside of Iron Boulder and Iron Moth. Iron Thorns, Iron Hands, and Iron Jugulis have next to nothing unique or mindblowing going on with their animations and Iron Bundle, Valiant, and Miraidon are already solid designs on their own that're elevated by their models. Also, first impressions matter. Despite the games being primarily 3D for a little under half of the series life at this point (17 years vs 11 as of now), a LOT of people still regard the 2D depictions of mons as their "proper" appearances (even if I personally don't agree with this philosophy). There's a reason the past paradoxes are by and large better regarded-they just sell their designs on the surface in a more striking fashion. Hell, going with probably the least popular members of both groups-Sandy Shocks without context is still a funky Magneton creature with giant magnet walkers, facepaint, and a topknot made out of magnetic sand. Iron Jugulis without context is just a Hydreigon that looks like SV's LODs are messing up again.
Something only barely related but this video made me realize. We have 2 different sun settings legendaries and neither one of them are a fire type by default. Wtf gamefreak?
the sun rain asymetry is also stark grass gets bonuses from sun but no boosts and gets hit harder by fire weaknesses water gets bonuses and boosts but gets hit by electrics
I would not say that the future paradoxes are designwise *that* bad tbh Most of them are kinda uninspired looking tbh but there are exceptions Iron Valiant is pretty fucking cool being a fusion of gallade and gardevoir Iron Bundle actually does something with its concept compared to most of the future paradoxes with delibird's bag turning into a water hose/bag Iron Moth while borrowing similar elements to Volcarona, still looks pretty neat with its wings looking like solar pannels and such bc of the sun design element carrying over And Iron Thorns, despite looking too much like T-Tar, does otherwise have a pretty neat color palette
Even in restricted formats it's doubtful that future paradox pokemon will outclass past paradox pokemon Mainly because many past paradox pokemon are good outside of sun, but amazing IN sun. Some examples are Flutter Mane, Great Tusk and Brute Bonnet. Which can and have been used outside of sun. Only such cases for Future paradox pokemon are Iron Hands and Iron Bundle.
Gouging Fire will love the Sun Wars. Walking Wake will be even better. I can only think of Iron Hands and Bundle like you said. Maybe Jugulis also but that's it
@@YoJoRockThaBeat Maybe Iron Moth will exploit both, since it's a fire type (which benefits from sun) and also a future paradox (which gets boosted in electric terrain) But really the rest just don't compare to past paradoxes (Iron Threads is worse Great Tusk, Iron Thorns is just a worse Tyranitar which isn't even good right now, and Iron Valiant while good in singles is too fragile for doubles)
@@nathanwaterser8218 I believe that Miraidon will be the only way that many of these future mons will even be worth the new toy syndrome. Though I imagine the terror of a quark drive boosted Iron Hands with Assault Vest. It would be funny if it's made to outspeed certain Incineroar's
@@jalencurtis7222 Iron Boulder can work, but Iron Crown sinply shreds him without Tera. But since the Meta has many good Fire Types I can see him being more viable. We can only wait and see.
OH VGC ok, I was wondering if I was in another dimension. Actually I talked about this with my gf, in singles there's a funny phenomenon with future paradox pokemon. Past paradox pokemon are almost all viable, and many very good, they exist in a sort of middle ground (except flutter mane) where's they're really good but not good enough for them to be banned. Then there's future paradox pokemon. Future paradox are either REALLY good or REALLY bad, with maybe the exclusion of Iron threads who is in the middle. Out of all the new paradox, Iron boulder is clearly an absolute fucking menace and the most dangerous one. Iron bundle counters almost anything, plus the box legendaries. Iron valiant needs to set up only once to destroy your entire team. And don't even get me started on Iron hands. And then there's iron thorns and iron moth. Absolute memes.
Moth is good in singles. Specs set is a nuke, Agility sets can sweep, Booster Energy sets are more flexible versions of either Specs (booster Sp. Atk) or Agility (booster Speed) but are a little weaker to compensate. Its a Fire type with access to Grass coverage for Water, Rock, and Ground types, its fast, and Tera lets it get out of bad matchups. Not sure what crack you're smoking to think that Moth is a meme when it gets plenty of use in Smogon singles in high tiers.
Yeah I thought iron moth was one of the few not bad not great future paradoxes. Also, is iron crown decent in singles? I know it's solid on psy-spam in VGC, haven't kept track in singles
@@loudwhispre9406 every single one of the pokemon I use counter it easily. It's not fast enough, strong enough or has good enough of a typing. The only "good" set I've seen is one with whirlwind wich caught me offguard.
That’s arguably not even the biggest reason, how often do u see fluttermane teamed with Torkoal? It uses booster energy far more often which future paradox mons can do as well so obviously there’s a lot more to the answer.
@@Will-zi6fn thats just because flutter mane is broken in general. great offensive typing(no two types resist the ghost and fairy combination not to mention three immunities) titanic 135 special attack stat and 135 speed. there's a reason it's uber in singles
@@lillyie I was just using fluttermane as an example because it’s really good on its own without sun so the answer clearly isnt no good electric surge users
@@Will-zi6fnthat's literally the issue, as electric terrain would make the iron pokemon significantly better? That's one of the biggest issues with them imo, they're reliant on it while most of the past ones aren't.
You know what will also be legal with miraidon? Kyogre. Thunders goes brrrrr And because this combo will be stupidly broken, koraidon + other proto mons like Raging bolt or W. Wake will be arising, or even groudon + proto mons (making groudon slower than kyogre so you win the weather war). The next restricted format will be reeeaally interesting
ye, when I saw the paradox mon + Koraidon and Miraidon I just though "Yep, the weather wars will be back stronger than ever". An interesting point to make tho is that Miraidon does function better with both Groudon and Kyogre in tandem, while Koraidon only really works with Groudon. However Rillaboom is incredebly present in the current VGC meta, being a big roadblock to Koraidon I think. Another thing of note is that Groudon works standalone with the past paradox mon, while Kyogre doesn't.
@@hamdepaf6686 but Kyorge's best friend Tornadus is going to be eatin good next to him. If the Rain gets removed he can just set it right back up. Plus Bleakwind storms for days for all the grass types.
It's more the fact that there isn't a good terrain setter. In vgc iron bundle and iron hands were strong because they are less terrain relayable but you avoided the iron crown in the room, easly the strongest future paradox in vgc format at the moment and only checked by dark type that he can destroy with tera. Design wise i think most of the past one are lame because they are big version of X pokemon and their pokedex description are way more lame than the future one.
I don’t think the future Paradox Pokémon being based on robots is really an issue, since of course having robots in a futuristic setting makes sense (like having dinosaurs in a past setting, which the past Paradox Pokémon did just fine).
There is so many other possibilities and inspirations you can take of a future form concept. There is one fakemon I saw called 'Promise Kept' where it's a future form of Cursola, taking place in a period where the pollution and destruction of coral reefs where addressed resulting a design that is full of life, complete contrast to what Cursola is about. That is SOOO fucking cool, so having it all just be robots and nothing else is a total waste of potential.
@@yungmuney5903 I guess that is a fair point (since not all of the Past Paradox Pokémon are just dinosaurs). Maybe some of them could have still been robots or cyborgs, while others could have been based on other stuff like pollution for example.
For me personally, I dislike the robot designs because of one reason that was mentioned by MandJTV. If Pokémon/animals from the past evolve overtime to their present forms, then they wouldn’t and shouldn’t evolve into robots in the future. They would just develop as an organism.
@@confuzzed5880 I mean it’s implied that they came from alternate timelines, for all we know they could jus the robot duplicates of our timelines Pokémon.
I want to know why Roaring Moon was considered ‘Mid’ at launch, but somehow has become popular now. He was my favorite Paradox, and seeing him take all that flak last year was hard.
An incredibly big reason was that he got knock off to his move pool with one of the dlcs, arguably the best move in singles and also a very good move in doubles. He was about average in singles on release, but in vgc dnite did everything moon did but better I believe.
Good points, and thank you for sharing! I also appreciate you pointing out all the future forms having the same shiny colour scheme, which I personally hate 🙈 Also, if I may offer a small suggestion: same Speed as Slowpoke* their evolutions have 30 base Speed Favourite Paradox Pokémon is Scream Tail, followed by Slither Wing, followed by Iron Bundle ❤ for aesthetics AND in competitive
I do think in singles its more spread out in terms of viability. However I do find it unfortunate how the only two paradox pokemon that are straight downgrades are Iron Thorns and Iron Juguils. The past paradox generally play different roles like Slither Wing being a bulky physical attacker with some utility over offensive special nuke Volcarona
If we talking about VGC, Iron Jugulis is really underrated. The Mon is not bad. It won a tournament last year and top other after that. It's a good support, but I think the presence of Flutter Mane makes his job difficult
I think that, out of all the future paradoxes, Iron Moth and Valiant have the bigger chance to stand out once Miraidon becomes legal. Valiant because with a speed boost and Focus Sash it can consistently reduce Kyogre, a mirror Miraidon itself and other special attackers damage output with a fast Spirit Break while also doing good damage and Moth because it has a good special defense against same special attackers while also being faster with terrain boost/resisting a lot of them.
And Iron Valiant does extremely well in Single Strike Urshifu. Against other meta mons it depends since it will now have a chance to run an item like you have eluded to. Iron Moth finally gets a chance to run a Choice Scarf. Man I can't wait!
@@YoJoRockThaBeat oh, didn't even think of choice scarf on Iron Moth, but now I think it legit might be a thing to explore with Fiery Dance to keep raising special attack.
That move can also go through protect, the stable vgc move, in the right circumstances it can be good. We just need electric terrain come in or urshifu to die
@Kaizer_Ulysses Sure, that’s a good point, but the existence of a single counter doesn’t make a Pokemon automatically bad in competitive, if that was the case Pokemon like Iron Bundle would be bad since it gets countered by the likes of Thunderclap Raging Bolt.
For TCG (at least on Pokemon TCG Live), its a slightly different story for now. While Ancient Pokemon are also still doing well, particularly the Moons; there are a couple of really good Future Pokemon decks like Iron Hands ex decks (and before rotation, Iron Valiant and Entei decks).
I actually think Iron Leaves has potential in a restricted format. Over on limitless, a hoster by the name of Ducklett Duel Hosted a GS Cup/2 Restricted tournament. I decided to opt out with a Calyrex + Chi-yu + Miraidon Team, with Iron Bundle to Work with Miraidon. I put an AV Speed Quark Drive Iron Leaves set (ran Psyblade, Leaf Blade, Sacred Sword, and Tera Flying Tera Blast) to complete the Fire/Grass/Water Core (Rilla would just add the Terrain, and Overgrow is Mid on it, and Amoonguss has bad synergy with Electric Terrain). I ended up top cutting that tournament when it came around (3rd Place).
I personally prefer most of the future paradoxes over the past ones. Some past ones are absolute bangers like Walking Wake or Great Tusk but most future ones are just sicker designs to me. It's also that I just can't stand some past designs like Flutter Mane might be one of my least favorite mons ever designed.
Hello, two months have passed and the regulation G just dropped. Future Pokémon got significantly worse in usage because of Koraidon and Groudon being used a lot more and because of the sinergy ancient mons have with them and ogerpon. No luck for our robot boys
Hi, Good video. BTW I have a doubt Why it's venasaur total points 525 when most starter Pokemons are 530 (and even more in some cases)??? Does that means he's weak ???
I personally like to headcannon that the reason why paradox pokemons bad is the fact they're (maybe) man made, impersonations of Pokemons and trying to replace them but doing a bad job at it Its like trying to replace a dog with a robot dog that can barely walk properly
Since I came here under the impression of this being strictly about the designs, I'll add to that early section with my own view A lot of the Future paradoxes are practically just recolors of their "Present" counterparts - most of the Past roster takes the original mons and runs with em to make something distinctly unique from the original design (Scream Tail and Brute Bonnet are a lil questionable in originality and Raging Bolt is just plain goofy) but the _Future_ roster, oh my god so much of it looks like the Present versions just, neon-ified? The only designs I actually like from the Future roster are Miraidon itself, Iron Bundle (feels very recolor but I think it's adorable, plus its head getting briefly shot off its neck when taking damage is just funny), and Iron Valiant (I'm a fan of Pokemon fusions so this one in particular was a welcome treat) - Treads I was on the fence about for a while but it's just not grown on me, overall I'd say I've seen better robot Pokemon concepts done by fans I don't mind the "Iron" prefix all that much but, yeah it definitely doesn't help their case either
My favourite paradox is no joke Iron Crown, love the design and they made it be a fast sepcial sweeper, and I find it really funny, because Iron Crown prefers Psychic Terrain over Electric Terrain because of Expanding Force, so it actually can work in a doubles format Great video bud
Not all of them might have been made by humans The Pokédex entry for Iron Moth says that “This Pokémon resembles an unknown object described in a paranormal magazine as a UFO sent to observe humanity.”
As feedback, the BST comparison at 3:22 is very difficult to read. A bar graph separated by stat, with the future and past paradox averages side by side, would have been more readable. Cool video overall!
I feel like the game was designed with sada and the ancient pokemon in mind, then gamefreak came up with turo and the future pokemon as an afterthought to set the games apart. The tcg, which was developed sometime after the games put a lot more thought into the future pokemon. The tcg future pokemon are build on the theme of "sustainability". Theyre complicated, but they can play the long game
Great video, but I have to ask how you came up with Chindesaurus as the most probable inspiration for Walking Wake. :D it’s such an obscure dinosaur, I would have simply pointed to a T.rex or maybe a Velociraptor. The thing is, judging by the illustration, its third finger appears to be the longest (theropods usually have their second finger being the longest). That is characteristic for Herrerasaurids, a very basal group of Saurischian dinosaurus, who are not theropods. I am very impressed you knew of this dinosaur (I had to look it up, turns out my Herrerasaurid-diagnosis appears to be correct and the genus is indeed either a Herrerasaurid or a basal sauropodomorph, who are both not theropods), it was fun looking up this animal. Great video!
Future Paradox Pokemon represent a common trend amongst modern depictions of things being more and more simplified and uniform which is why they are the way they are. While the Past Paradoxes represent individuals struggling to find which one comes out on top, Future Paradoxes represent a "completed species" where every Pokemon would become the same in an alternate timeline
You just made me realize that koraidon needs a fire tera type. As cool as fighting dragon is, it needed to be fire dragon. Over all iron hands and annihilape are better fighting types while miraidon is a great electric type.
I will never forgive the design of iron jugulis. One of hydriegon's prototype designs was that it became a tank, and when I heard about its paradox form in the leaks I thought for sure we were getting a badass hyrda tank. Unfortunately, all the final design amounts to is just LED hydriegon, which even then is a poor execution of a robot dragon. It's a flying type, why not give it jet thrusters or turn its tendrils into helicopter blades? As someone who likes dinosaurs I can tell a lot of the past paradox forms aren't that deep, just having "prehistoric" traits slapped onto them instead of being based off specific extinct animals (with a few exceptions, like the beasts). Even with those designs being only superficially ancient it's still a bit jarring how little effort a lot of the future paradox forms have by comparison. Iron thorn and (whatever paradox cobalion is called) are literally just the original designs but a robot. They really should've changed the design's silhouettes so that they came off as distinct ideas. Iron hands, iron moth and iron valiant do look cool though. The first two have neat detached body parts, and the latter is a fusion of two different pokemon! More of that would've been cool.
pincurchin should have kept rising voltage and learn thunder clap, then people would actually consider using it. also i wish charjabug had electric terrain instead of battery. not that its a good mon but i think it would make sense. its also easier to stack with all those ground weak future paradox mons
I dont play pokemon competitively but I feel like miridon/electric terrain teams might be a little easier to handle than sun teams due to ice spinner being a good ice move that also removes terrain where as for weather there isnt an attacking move than can clear weather like they do with terrain. Also rillaboom seems to have ebe a popular pick so it could be easier to swap terrain by switching rillaboom but it might not see play when legendaries are allowed
One thing I wanna add about Slither Wing as a Slither Wing enjoyer: It has amazing bulk when paired with Intimidate and is running an Assault Vest. Max HP lets it hit 192 which gives it optimal Terrain recovery and because it has 135 attack you don’t need as much investment for it to reach thresholds it needs to do and with 105 SpDef and AV you can EV very easily to survive specific hits. The biggest thing it has going for it is it’s insane coverage. Fire, Ground, Bug, Fighting, Flying, Electric, and Grass coverage is absolutely wacky. Ive ran an AV one a team with Ting Lu and it can not die to special hits at all cause of the passive healing of Leech Life. I genuinely believe that if Incineroar, Torn, Flutter, and Iron Hands didn’t exist it’d be amazing. It has amazing matchups against Ursaluna and can threaten an OHKO with CC/Low Kick, it can run First Impression which is huge off of 135 Attack and Stab, it has a ground resist and because of its huge Special Bulk it can eat hits from Lando-I really well, and it’s great against Lando-I, and it has good matchups against Ogerpon. It just was unfortunate enough to be in a meta game with so many counters to it alongside so many replacements for it
It's more care in the past forms starting from design, I mean choosing Great Tusk or Iron Threads is easy, and see how peak level design Roaring Moon is!
Was about to type a very angry comment until I realized you're just talking about VGC. I will now type a slightly less angry comment. I really think VGC creators ought to specify when they're talking strictly in a VGC context. Singles creators always do this anytime they're talking about the game, they specify the format, whether it's VGC, smogon singles, draft, etc, and as they should, as even the most hardcore fans of smogon singles still respect that VGC is its own unique, valid format that many people enjoy. Meanwhile it often feels like VGC creators actively despise singles, or at the very least it feels like they go out of their way to disrespect it, specifically by only ever referring to VGC as "competitive pokemon", implying that it's the only form of competitive pokemon that exists. I should note this isn't a problem in any way unique to your channel, and I'm probably making a mountain out of a molehill a little bit here. I'm a big fan of Wolfey even though he calls VGC "competitive pokemon" in every video, but I'd still like to see him and the rest of the community stop doing that, as it borders on misinformation to be sitting here in a video, not specifying that you're talking strictly about bring 6 pick 4 doubles, saying that Iron Valiant is worse than Spidops, when the vast majority of battles that take place in a single player Pokemon game (you know, the thing the vast majority of the fanbase actually plays) are singles battles, where Iron Valiant is one of the scariest Pokemon in the entire game. I find it really weird and offputting that the majority of the VGC playerbase seems to consider singles to be a "lesser" game, even going so far as to not even consider it as a legitimate kind of "competitive pokemon", even though it was being played years before VGC even existed. I also don't think that the fact that Nintendo officially supports VGC should make it in any way more valid of a game than singles is in people's minds, especially VGC players, who understand better than anyone just how incompetent Nintendo is at managing their own official format and tournaments. Like, we simultaneously recognise that Nintendo manages VGC horribly, with archaic and irrational rules such as genning being banned, which nukes accessibility and hurts the game massively on the whole, but then also act like Nintendo's blessing makes it God's Chosen Format. I long for a world in which VGC and smogon singles players get along and respect each other, and don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are some singles players out there who act disrespectfully towards VGC, too, I just don't see the majority of singles youtubers doing that. Apologies for taking a small gripe I have with the VGC community on the whole and then unloading it in your comments section, lol. Anyway I still liked the video. Your editing looks really good and you have a nice voice, plus this kind of content is fun. I subbed. Have a great day
I think some examples of UA-camrs that get this right are False Swipe Gaming, and Freezeai. Both show a clear respect and acknowledgement for both games. I'm not saying VGC UA-camrs have to start making singles videos or vice versa, just that a small disclaimer like "I'm talking about x format" goes a long way.
Thank you for the feedback. It’s comments like these that really help me out as a beginner content creator. Going forward, I will make sure to specify which context I am talking about when referring to competitive Pokémon. I also follow wolfey and have noticed him acting like singles doesn’t even exist, and while I primarily play and follow VGC, I totally respect that singles has its place and unique spin to it.
I don't get why they went with a bunch of "modern" pokemon though for ancient forms. Sandy Shocks, the legendary dogs, screamtail all base off pokemon with a recent history, being a human created magnet, the pokemon that died in the ecruteak tower and basically aliens. from the hundreds they could have chosen they went with head scratchers.
I think it's cool that Slither Wing feels more like an alternate evolution for Larvesta, keeping its physical oriented stats instead of doing the 180 flip it does normally when becoming Volcarona. What I don't think is cool is that very few of the Future pokemon are steel or electric type, despite their appearance and names. They genuinely all would be better pokemon if all of them contained at least one of those types, and had movepools to match.
Design wise it would have been interesting to see more fusion based Future Paradox Mon and using that as the theme. Say a Vileplume/Belossom hybrid which is more organic than machine. Or a trio becoming a singular, Cerberus esque Pokemon.
Any format that Miraidon is legal, groudon will also be legal. And groudon has spread ground moves which massively threaten the double electric set ups of Miraidon and iron hands/ thorns
Big fan of my favorite paradox Pokemon: Iron Mugulis and it's signature move Half Full. I'm positive it will dominate the VGC scene once we enter a restricted format.
Maybe future paradox would have been good if tapu koko was in pokemon violet, it would be a non restricted legendary with good offensive moves and support ones (electric web, nature’s madness) that can set the electric field switching in
Most individual future Paradox designs I actually like in a vacuum. The part that bothers me is more looking at them collectively. They had so many interesting scifi concepts to work with (speculative evolution, extraterrestrials, gene splicing, bioengineering, cyborgs, terraforming, iterations on virtual pokemon like Porygon or Rotom, etc.) and they just went "IDK make them all robots". Granted, they allude to the possibility that Iron Hands is a cyborg or Iron Moth is a UFO - but aesthetically they're just treated like another robot in the pile rather than those differences standing out. It's kinda disappointing.
I’ve personally grown fond of flutter mane I’ve used it ever since it was legal and love it, pairing it with dragonite creates a powerful speedy combo that I really enjoy using
Future Pokemon realizing they need to rely on a sea urchin to function
So this is the taste of future we've been hearing about for a while...
Lmao true
Or you know, use booster energy? Past forms have to rely on a mutated fox to function. Future forms have 2 “proper” counters to flutter mane (iron treads and iron crown). Past forms have 1…and it’s another flutter mane.
ancient pokemon realizing need to rely on a turtle to function
@@propernoun2028and said turtle is actually good. meanwhile pinurchin is nowhere near as bulky. yeah it has 101 attack and 91 sp atk but there’s no electric type equivalent to eruption. Best it has is supercell slam which was only recently added in the 2nd dlc
Design wise making them all robots and not going into other scifi themes was a losee.
This, THIS. They literally had the easiest fucking prompt "make these pokemon look like they're from the future" and chose the LAZIEST option of making every single one of them just a robot. No other unique ideas, they don't even attempt to use different forms of robotics for their designs, just "x pokemon but metal" and thats why I'll always hate them.
Enen if they were rebuilt after the end of Pokemon.... We have Mewtwo, and Castform, and Porygon!
We can create life. They should have had artificial creatures, and maybe altered aliens that may or may not even be pokemon
For real, I'm more into Cyberpunk stuff than Jurassic stuff, but I chose Scarlet.
Iron Valiant is honestly the most creative looking Future Pokemon. The rest is meh
As a biology fan, I wanted the future Pokemon to be based on Speculative Evolution. Basically people speculating what an animal today would look like millions of years from now. Maybe that would look too much like the Past forms tho..?
keep in mind that this is based on VGC, not singles. future paradox pokemon are very underwhelming in doubles (except for iron hands our beloved)
The future paradox pokemon are all ugly in design
yeah iron valiant is actually a beast in singles, treads also sees some use over tusk at times too. Iron valiant is one of if not the best mixed attacker so it can function as a really strong wall breaker, its fast enough that if it can be brought in it has the potential to sweep.
And not a Design Contest. But based on design alone they suck to.
@@Sunaki1000iron valiant is peak
@@SERMareep2007 It does something interesting whit the Design, so im fine whit it.
But you have to admit, GFs Idea of the Futur is incedible boring. It just turns everything into a Robot.
No speculative Evolution or something like that.
>Name starts with “IRON”
>looks inside
>Rock Type
we have iron valiant that's psychic and fairy. they should really ditch the iron naming for future pokemon because most of them aren't steel type to begin with
@@lillyie better idea: make them all steel or electric type
Had to double take and realized this is VGC
bro when i saw the iron val, i was like,,,,,,,, what??????... but then he mentions vgc, i was like ok, i will delete the big paragraph that i was about to write lmao
I swear the tagline in the title isn't enough people really gotta clarify that before they call Iron Boulder garbage
@@justsomewheel9379 maybe people should read the title they're clicking
He's still not insanely good@@justsomewheel9379
@@justsomewheel9379boulder shoulders
There's something poetic about Past Paradox being strong now...and Future Paradox becoming stronger in the future
Yeah past paradox’s may thrive now but once miraidon is legal and has tailwind support with jugulis it’s over
@@FlygonkingVGCcounterpoint, koraidon.
@@plebulus counterpoint it’s too fast to lead with at least use Groudon
Miraidon and Koraidon speedtie at 135.@@FlygonkingVGC
@@hailthequeenFM yeah but so does chien pao and flutter and that’s y none of them ended up being good
I wonder if Tapu Koko would make the future forms better.
It would make them 100% better and probably better than past paradox ones
Though counter terrain would be used a lot to remove their boosts
Maybe in gen 10 yes
Depends, because return of Koko, means other Tapu will come back too.
Fini, Lele and Rillaboom would be meta staples, so it wouldn't be at all reliable to get your boost from terrain.
@@kiedisboughen5318rillaboom says hi
Shoutout for iron valiant for being peak design
Iron Valiant looks like a toy
@@1YCARADOFACAO Like one of those cool af starwars or transformers action figures….ngl i just get sith vibes from valiant in general
So true!
#IRONVALIANTISAWESOME
@@energyshatty9020 Being a combo of Mega gardevoir and Mega gallade is so sick
Whoever designed the Future paradoxes without letting the Tapus come to Paldea is evil, because Tapu Koko could've helped level the playing field
Coulda just made a new (non-legendary) electric terrain setter too, one thats actually usable and not... pincurchin. Or give pincurchin volt switch, then it wouldnt even be half as bad.
Honestly, I like the IDEA behind the future Paradoxes all being largely uniform, with similar names and shinies. It invokes the idea of an optimized future where variety and creativity simply has no place. But even if the idea's nice, it doesn't change the fact that they're all uniform, uncreative designs that're lacking in variety, which makes them each boring, say for exceptions like Iron Valiant.
i cut them some slack because the appeal of the future forms is their animations. bundles neck extender, valiants arm blades, etc, since that is something the past forms lack. i love the idea too, but they couldve just been a little more creative and it woulve been fine.
If they leaned even farther into the energy/disconnected theme it would have been a lot cooler.
Ie. Make T-tar comoletely segmented and magnetically connected like Iron Hands is.
They could have been a bit more bizzare and unsettling, but played it safe. I can respect it, but it's a bit bland.
I do love the uniform shinies though. The chrome crew is really cool team idea.
Iron Thorns really got the raw end of the deal. Tyranitar was good partly due to its sand cushioning from special attacks. Without sand, Thorns really struggles to take attacks, not even mentioning the 4x ground weakness
I love Iron Thorns, it is my little baby robot. But boy, it is really really bad :(
I really wanted Thorns to have its Sp.Atk and Atk stats switched to set it apart and not just be a worse Tyranitar...
@@StoicForce That's a great idea, seems way more accurate for Iron Thorns to use Power Gem, Meteor Beam, and Discharge
i'd literally take the pokestar tyranitar over iron thorns honestly.
Poor Thorns, but Tyranitar will always be my boi
I'd cut the Future Paradoxes some slack on the Design aspect, because their entire appeal comes from their animations - Iron Bundle's jack-in-the-box neck, Iron Boulder's head-axe combination, and Iron Valiant's armblades that turn into a blade are elements that you can't normally know from their default renders, but these are very key aspects of these Pokémon that add an edge to them that the Ancient Paradoxes lack. Frankly, I don't quite understand why the Design aspect was included at all in the first place.
He needed angry comments engagement, and by golly did I fall for it.
Because it's true
They are unique from a lore perspective because it’s something the series has never tackled before
A dystopian future for Pokemon is an interesting concept
The future forms are cyborgs not robots similar to armored mewtwo but the enhancements became permanent part of their physiology cuz if they were robots they’d all be pure electric and/or steel oe dual typed but they don’t they all retain at least one of their original types meaning that it’s lineage/biology is still part of it deep down
either they did it to themselves or humans did it as a way to either act inhumanely or as a way to preserve them
I think they all just overtime just became cyborgs down the line without going extinct maybe endangered or a way to keep them from being endangered
Or just a way to advance evolution in a selfish way
The reason the lore calls them robots is because they don’t know much about them so all the modern day people are doing is assuming
For sandy shocks my guess is that it used to look like a regular Pokémon but adapted to being exposed to some sort of ancient form of metal
Sort of like Pokémon’s version of vibranium and then overtime became sandy shocks and then the magnemite line
The metal could have come from space explaining why magnezone resembles a UFO
They weren’t named by the people of the future and past they were named by the people of present day who don’t know anything about them and just came up with something to describe them
It’s no different than how we name newly discovered fossils
@@davidfelez7575 they’re supposed to be an homage to zords and other tokusatsu stuff
I'd argue that the animations only really elevate the ones that had solid designs to begin with outside of Iron Boulder and Iron Moth. Iron Thorns, Iron Hands, and Iron Jugulis have next to nothing unique or mindblowing going on with their animations and Iron Bundle, Valiant, and Miraidon are already solid designs on their own that're elevated by their models.
Also, first impressions matter. Despite the games being primarily 3D for a little under half of the series life at this point (17 years vs 11 as of now), a LOT of people still regard the 2D depictions of mons as their "proper" appearances (even if I personally don't agree with this philosophy). There's a reason the past paradoxes are by and large better regarded-they just sell their designs on the surface in a more striking fashion. Hell, going with probably the least popular members of both groups-Sandy Shocks without context is still a funky Magneton creature with giant magnet walkers, facepaint, and a topknot made out of magnetic sand. Iron Jugulis without context is just a Hydreigon that looks like SV's LODs are messing up again.
Something only barely related but this video made me realize. We have 2 different sun settings legendaries and neither one of them are a fire type by default. Wtf gamefreak?
Torkoal is the 3rd and he's a fire legendary
the sun rain asymetry is also stark
grass gets bonuses from sun but no boosts and gets hit harder by fire weaknesses
water gets bonuses and boosts but gets hit by electrics
Wait there’s 2? Who’s the 2?
@@kitkitsune6570 Groudon and koraidon
@@ArlecchinoAKAFather I thought Groudon was land?
I would not say that the future paradoxes are designwise *that* bad tbh
Most of them are kinda uninspired looking tbh but there are exceptions
Iron Valiant is pretty fucking cool being a fusion of gallade and gardevoir
Iron Bundle actually does something with its concept compared to most of the future paradoxes with delibird's bag turning into a water hose/bag
Iron Moth while borrowing similar elements to Volcarona, still looks pretty neat with its wings looking like solar pannels and such bc of the sun design element carrying over
And Iron Thorns, despite looking too much like T-Tar, does otherwise have a pretty neat color palette
Iron Hands is also just a vast improvement over Hariyama in both design and viability at the very least, so I consider that a win too.
Even in restricted formats it's doubtful that future paradox pokemon will outclass past paradox pokemon
Mainly because many past paradox pokemon are good outside of sun, but amazing IN sun.
Some examples are Flutter Mane, Great Tusk and Brute Bonnet. Which can and have been used outside of sun.
Only such cases for Future paradox pokemon are Iron Hands and Iron Bundle.
Gouging Fire will love the Sun Wars. Walking Wake will be even better.
I can only think of Iron Hands and Bundle like you said.
Maybe Jugulis also but that's it
@@YoJoRockThaBeat Maybe Iron Moth will exploit both, since it's a fire type (which benefits from sun) and also a future paradox (which gets boosted in electric terrain)
But really the rest just don't compare to past paradoxes (Iron Threads is worse Great Tusk, Iron Thorns is just a worse Tyranitar which isn't even good right now, and Iron Valiant while good in singles is too fragile for doubles)
@@nathanwaterser8218 I believe that Miraidon will be the only way that many of these future mons will even be worth the new toy syndrome.
Though I imagine the terror of a quark drive boosted Iron Hands with Assault Vest.
It would be funny if it's made to outspeed certain Incineroar's
Okay but iron boulder???
@@jalencurtis7222 Iron Boulder can work, but Iron Crown sinply shreds him without Tera.
But since the Meta has many good Fire Types I can see him being more viable.
We can only wait and see.
OH VGC ok, I was wondering if I was in another dimension.
Actually I talked about this with my gf, in singles there's a funny phenomenon with future paradox pokemon.
Past paradox pokemon are almost all viable, and many very good, they exist in a sort of middle ground (except flutter mane) where's they're really good but not good enough for them to be banned.
Then there's future paradox pokemon. Future paradox are either REALLY good or REALLY bad, with maybe the exclusion of Iron threads who is in the middle.
Out of all the new paradox, Iron boulder is clearly an absolute fucking menace and the most dangerous one. Iron bundle counters almost anything, plus the box legendaries. Iron valiant needs to set up only once to destroy your entire team. And don't even get me started on Iron hands.
And then there's iron thorns and iron moth. Absolute memes.
And I imagine Iron Jagillous is too bad to be even worth mention
@@davialmeida4442 some people say jugulis is good, I've never taken it seriously. Whenever it comes into battle I just do whatever I want and it dies
Moth is good in singles. Specs set is a nuke, Agility sets can sweep, Booster Energy sets are more flexible versions of either Specs (booster Sp. Atk) or Agility (booster Speed) but are a little weaker to compensate. Its a Fire type with access to Grass coverage for Water, Rock, and Ground types, its fast, and Tera lets it get out of bad matchups. Not sure what crack you're smoking to think that Moth is a meme when it gets plenty of use in Smogon singles in high tiers.
Yeah I thought iron moth was one of the few not bad not great future paradoxes. Also, is iron crown decent in singles? I know it's solid on psy-spam in VGC, haven't kept track in singles
@@loudwhispre9406 every single one of the pokemon I use counter it easily. It's not fast enough, strong enough or has good enough of a typing.
The only "good" set I've seen is one with whirlwind wich caught me offguard.
Brian Hands: 🖐️🤖🖐️
Simple answer, no good legal electric surge users
That’s arguably not even the biggest reason, how often do u see fluttermane teamed with Torkoal? It uses booster energy far more often which future paradox mons can do as well so obviously there’s a lot more to the answer.
@@Will-zi6fn thats just because flutter mane is broken in general. great offensive typing(no two types resist the ghost and fairy combination not to mention three immunities) titanic 135 special attack stat and 135 speed. there's a reason it's uber in singles
@@lillyie I was just using fluttermane as an example because it’s really good on its own without sun so the answer clearly isnt no good electric surge users
@@Will-zi6fnthat's literally the issue, as electric terrain would make the iron pokemon significantly better? That's one of the biggest issues with them imo, they're reliant on it while most of the past ones aren't.
@@monix4954 so then the issues is that they are, in general, simply weaker than the past pokemon. Also booster energy exists as well.
You know what will also be legal with miraidon? Kyogre.
Thunders goes brrrrr
And because this combo will be stupidly broken, koraidon + other proto mons like Raging bolt or W. Wake will be arising, or even groudon + proto mons (making groudon slower than kyogre so you win the weather war).
The next restricted format will be reeeaally interesting
ye, when I saw the paradox mon + Koraidon and Miraidon I just though "Yep, the weather wars will be back stronger than ever".
An interesting point to make tho is that Miraidon does function better with both Groudon and Kyogre in tandem, while Koraidon only really works with Groudon. However Rillaboom is incredebly present in the current VGC meta, being a big roadblock to Koraidon I think.
Another thing of note is that Groudon works standalone with the past paradox mon, while Kyogre doesn't.
@@hamdepaf6686 but Kyorge's best friend Tornadus is going to be eatin good next to him.
If the Rain gets removed he can just set it right back up.
Plus Bleakwind storms for days for all the grass types.
yeah, this restricted format will be really fun to play, can't wait to experiment with koraidon
@@xmangle5382 Gouging Fire will be your best friend to get rid of Fluttermane.
@@YoJoRockThaBeat Duskmane, it will also get rid of Xerneas while at it
It's more the fact that there isn't a good terrain setter. In vgc iron bundle and iron hands were strong because they are less terrain relayable but you avoided the iron crown in the room, easly the strongest future paradox in vgc format at the moment and only checked by dark type that he can destroy with tera. Design wise i think most of the past one are lame because they are big version of X pokemon and their pokedex description are way more lame than the future one.
I don’t think the future Paradox Pokémon being based on robots is really an issue, since of course having robots in a futuristic setting makes sense (like having dinosaurs in a past setting, which the past Paradox Pokémon did just fine).
There is so many other possibilities and inspirations you can take of a future form concept. There is one fakemon I saw called 'Promise Kept' where it's a future form of Cursola, taking place in a period where the pollution and destruction of coral reefs where addressed resulting a design that is full of life, complete contrast to what Cursola is about. That is SOOO fucking cool, so having it all just be robots and nothing else is a total waste of potential.
@@yungmuney5903 I guess that is a fair point (since not all of the Past Paradox Pokémon are just dinosaurs). Maybe some of them could have still been robots or cyborgs, while others could have been based on other stuff like pollution for example.
@@yungmuney5903oh yeah I saw that one, easily the most unique attempt at a future paradox
For me personally, I dislike the robot designs because of one reason that was mentioned by MandJTV. If Pokémon/animals from the past evolve overtime to their present forms, then they wouldn’t and shouldn’t evolve into robots in the future. They would just develop as an organism.
@@confuzzed5880 I mean it’s implied that they came from alternate timelines, for all we know they could jus the robot duplicates of our timelines Pokémon.
I want to know why Roaring Moon was considered ‘Mid’ at launch, but somehow has become popular now. He was my favorite Paradox, and seeing him take all that flak last year was hard.
An incredibly big reason was that he got knock off to his move pool with one of the dlcs, arguably the best move in singles and also a very good move in doubles. He was about average in singles on release, but in vgc dnite did everything moon did but better I believe.
4x weak to fluttermane
@@coveltalso it got Scale shot which is one of the best dragon type moves around thanks to Loaded dice
@@colinfox9254 its still be using tho bc turn one teras are pretty common
@@Castersvarog ah yeah i forgot about that thank you
Tapu Koko died so we wouldn't be dominated by our robot overlords.
Good points, and thank you for sharing! I also appreciate you pointing out all the future forms having the same shiny colour scheme, which I personally hate 🙈
Also, if I may offer a small suggestion: same Speed as Slowpoke* their evolutions have 30 base Speed
Favourite Paradox Pokémon is Scream Tail, followed by Slither Wing, followed by Iron Bundle ❤ for aesthetics AND in competitive
I do think in singles its more spread out in terms of viability. However I do find it unfortunate how the only two paradox pokemon that are straight downgrades are Iron Thorns and Iron Juguils. The past paradox generally play different roles like Slither Wing being a bulky physical attacker with some utility over offensive special nuke Volcarona
If we talking about VGC, Iron Jugulis is really underrated. The Mon is not bad. It won a tournament last year and top other after that. It's a good support, but I think the presence of Flutter Mane makes his job difficult
Brian hands my beloved
The future paradox pokemon should've either gone full borg or be turned into some 1990's cyborg type of creature.
Iron Mugulus is actually insane, how you left him out is quite criminal
I feel that if the Tapus were in the game, the Future Paradox Pokémon would see more play.
whats the music you're using in the background?
I think that, out of all the future paradoxes, Iron Moth and Valiant have the bigger chance to stand out once Miraidon becomes legal. Valiant because with a speed boost and Focus Sash it can consistently reduce Kyogre, a mirror Miraidon itself and other special attackers damage output with a fast Spirit Break while also doing good damage and Moth because it has a good special defense against same special attackers while also being faster with terrain boost/resisting a lot of them.
And Iron Valiant does extremely well in Single Strike Urshifu.
Against other meta mons it depends since it will now have a chance to run an item like you have eluded to.
Iron Moth finally gets a chance to run a Choice Scarf.
Man I can't wait!
@@YoJoRockThaBeat oh, didn't even think of choice scarf on Iron Moth, but now I think it legit might be a thing to explore with Fiery Dance to keep raising special attack.
Very well put together video, and not so long that it drags on, 👍 very cool
What’s the song used throughout the video?
It's the song that plays when you're walking around Area Zero. Not the battle theme, just the normal 'route' theme
Iron Boulder is far from bad, Max Speed +Speed nature w/Booster energy and Swords dance and you can break through most mons
Also, it has a strong 100% accurate rock move.
Vgc
That move can also go through protect, the stable vgc move, in the right circumstances it can be good. We just need electric terrain come in or urshifu to die
Let's just say I agree, but rillaboom exists
@Kaizer_Ulysses Sure, that’s a good point, but the existence of a single counter doesn’t make a Pokemon automatically bad in competitive, if that was the case Pokemon like Iron Bundle would be bad since it gets countered by the likes of Thunderclap Raging Bolt.
For TCG (at least on Pokemon TCG Live), its a slightly different story for now. While Ancient Pokemon are also still doing well, particularly the Moons; there are a couple of really good Future Pokemon decks like Iron Hands ex decks (and before rotation, Iron Valiant and Entei decks).
Since Iron Jugulis is a flying type, does Quark Drive even activate when electric terrain is down?
Quark drive still activates for Iron Jugulis, but it does not get any of the other benefits of electric terrain
I actually think Iron Leaves has potential in a restricted format.
Over on limitless, a hoster by the name of Ducklett Duel Hosted a GS Cup/2 Restricted tournament. I decided to opt out with a Calyrex + Chi-yu + Miraidon Team, with Iron Bundle to Work with Miraidon. I put an AV Speed Quark Drive Iron Leaves set (ran Psyblade, Leaf Blade, Sacred Sword, and Tera Flying Tera Blast) to complete the Fire/Grass/Water Core (Rilla would just add the Terrain, and Overgrow is Mid on it, and Amoonguss has bad synergy with Electric Terrain).
I ended up top cutting that tournament when it came around (3rd Place).
I would love to see the tapus return to vgc soon, hopefully Koko gets a nice physical electric stab along with it
Can confirm that Miridon didn't change anything, if anything they are more irrelevant now because of the power creep.
I personally prefer most of the future paradoxes over the past ones. Some past ones are absolute bangers like Walking Wake or Great Tusk but most future ones are just sicker designs to me. It's also that I just can't stand some past designs like Flutter Mane might be one of my least favorite mons ever designed.
Hello, two months have passed and the regulation G just dropped. Future Pokémon got significantly worse in usage because of Koraidon and Groudon being used a lot more and because of the sinergy ancient mons have with them and ogerpon. No luck for our robot boys
I expected that Miraidon was going to help with the terrain but Flutter is still king
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Bundle, Hands, and Crown are solid in doubles
Hi, Good video. BTW I have a doubt Why it's venasaur total points 525 when most starter Pokemons are 530 (and even more in some cases)??? Does that means he's weak ???
They probably didn't establish a rul for starter bst in gen 1 hence why Charizard is 534.
I personally like to headcannon that the reason why paradox pokemons bad is the fact they're (maybe) man made, impersonations of Pokemons and trying to replace them but doing a bad job at it
Its like trying to replace a dog with a robot dog that can barely walk properly
Since I came here under the impression of this being strictly about the designs, I'll add to that early section with my own view
A lot of the Future paradoxes are practically just recolors of their "Present" counterparts - most of the Past roster takes the original mons and runs with em to make something distinctly unique from the original design (Scream Tail and Brute Bonnet are a lil questionable in originality and Raging Bolt is just plain goofy) but the _Future_ roster, oh my god so much of it looks like the Present versions just, neon-ified?
The only designs I actually like from the Future roster are Miraidon itself, Iron Bundle (feels very recolor but I think it's adorable, plus its head getting briefly shot off its neck when taking damage is just funny), and Iron Valiant (I'm a fan of Pokemon fusions so this one in particular was a welcome treat) - Treads I was on the fence about for a while but it's just not grown on me, overall I'd say I've seen better robot Pokemon concepts done by fans
I don't mind the "Iron" prefix all that much but, yeah it definitely doesn't help their case either
My favourite paradox is no joke Iron Crown, love the design and they made it be a fast sepcial sweeper, and I find it really funny, because Iron Crown prefers Psychic Terrain over Electric Terrain because of Expanding Force, so it actually can work in a doubles format
Great video bud
Well, Reg G now has Miraidon…
I love roaring moon not only is it a new form of one of my top 5 Pokemon but it’s actually really good, second place goes to iron thorns.
I feel like the future mons come from a future where pokemon cease to exist, these are man made recreations of what they remember the pokemon to be.
Not all of them might have been made by humans
The Pokédex entry for Iron Moth says that “This Pokémon resembles an unknown object described in a paranormal magazine as a UFO sent to observe humanity.”
As feedback, the BST comparison at 3:22 is very difficult to read. A bar graph separated by stat, with the future and past paradox averages side by side, would have been more readable. Cool video overall!
Personally, I like that all the shinies are just the robots without paint
4:51 the sound effect took me out I wasn’t ready :sob:
I feel like the game was designed with sada and the ancient pokemon in mind, then gamefreak came up with turo and the future pokemon as an afterthought to set the games apart. The tcg, which was developed sometime after the games put a lot more thought into the future pokemon. The tcg future pokemon are build on the theme of "sustainability". Theyre complicated, but they can play the long game
Great vid.
The chrome looks cool tho
Gnoggin made a good ep about the lore of the future mons
"i predict the future paradox pokemon to rise in usage when miradion is legal"
there's a funny story about miradon winning a regional i could tell you
tell me
thanks for the video
Plus I managed to make the sea urchin work a couple of times with terrain extender, rain dance and spam Thunder. Literally useless outside of that
Great video, but I have to ask how you came up with Chindesaurus as the most probable inspiration for Walking Wake. :D it’s such an obscure dinosaur, I would have simply pointed to a T.rex or maybe a Velociraptor. The thing is, judging by the illustration, its third finger appears to be the longest (theropods usually have their second finger being the longest). That is characteristic for Herrerasaurids, a very basal group of Saurischian dinosaurus, who are not theropods. I am very impressed you knew of this dinosaur (I had to look it up, turns out my Herrerasaurid-diagnosis appears to be correct and the genus is indeed either a Herrerasaurid or a basal sauropodomorph, who are both not theropods), it was fun looking up this animal. Great video!
Future Paradox Pokemon represent a common trend amongst modern depictions of things being more and more simplified and uniform which is why they are the way they are. While the Past Paradoxes represent individuals struggling to find which one comes out on top, Future Paradoxes represent a "completed species" where every Pokemon would become the same in an alternate timeline
You just made me realize that koraidon needs a fire tera type. As cool as fighting dragon is, it needed to be fire dragon. Over all iron hands and annihilape are better fighting types while miraidon is a great electric type.
I will never forgive the design of iron jugulis. One of hydriegon's prototype designs was that it became a tank, and when I heard about its paradox form in the leaks I thought for sure we were getting a badass hyrda tank. Unfortunately, all the final design amounts to is just LED hydriegon, which even then is a poor execution of a robot dragon. It's a flying type, why not give it jet thrusters or turn its tendrils into helicopter blades?
As someone who likes dinosaurs I can tell a lot of the past paradox forms aren't that deep, just having "prehistoric" traits slapped onto them instead of being based off specific extinct animals (with a few exceptions, like the beasts). Even with those designs being only superficially ancient it's still a bit jarring how little effort a lot of the future paradox forms have by comparison. Iron thorn and (whatever paradox cobalion is called) are literally just the original designs but a robot. They really should've changed the design's silhouettes so that they came off as distinct ideas.
Iron hands, iron moth and iron valiant do look cool though. The first two have neat detached body parts, and the latter is a fusion of two different pokemon! More of that would've been cool.
Paradox Volcarona looks very cool imo one of the best Designs from the paradox mons
Tapu koko and miraidon being legal would be the best buff the future pokemon can ask for
If Tapu Koko was in the game
pincurchin should have kept rising voltage and learn thunder clap, then people would actually consider using it.
also i wish charjabug had electric terrain instead of battery.
not that its a good mon but i think it would make sense. its also easier to stack with all those ground weak future paradox mons
Electric surge Ampharos?
Just came here to say, the fusion of paradox Raikou and Salamance looks awesome in that thumbnail
This is Iron Valiant slander, my favorite design and gameplay this gen
The fact that the tapus, the original terrain war Lords weren't considered means that they aren't in SV which might be a blessing in disguise
I dont play pokemon competitively but I feel like miridon/electric terrain teams might be a little easier to handle than sun teams due to ice spinner being a good ice move that also removes terrain where as for weather there isnt an attacking move than can clear weather like they do with terrain.
Also rillaboom seems to have ebe a popular pick so it could be easier to swap terrain by switching rillaboom but it might not see play when legendaries are allowed
the tapu koko whenever they get added would bring out the double trouble for the future pokemon if or when the tapu pokemon get added to gen 9
great vid
Honestly i had some success with iron thorns bug terra loaded dice. This was before they allowed stuff from Pokemon home tho.
Gen 5 actually didn't get a restricted format, so it's not guaranteed we'll get one this gen.
2:38 you listed decent bulk for Slither Wing not Roaring Moon, but RM also has higher bulk than Slither Wing.
While past paradox got torkoal, future paradox are stuck with pincurchin. Tapu koko could have solved this but...
Past Paradox also have Ninetales
One thing I wanna add about Slither Wing as a Slither Wing enjoyer: It has amazing bulk when paired with Intimidate and is running an Assault Vest. Max HP lets it hit 192 which gives it optimal Terrain recovery and because it has 135 attack you don’t need as much investment for it to reach thresholds it needs to do and with 105 SpDef and AV you can EV very easily to survive specific hits. The biggest thing it has going for it is it’s insane coverage. Fire, Ground, Bug, Fighting, Flying, Electric, and Grass coverage is absolutely wacky. Ive ran an AV one a team with Ting Lu and it can not die to special hits at all cause of the passive healing of Leech Life. I genuinely believe that if Incineroar, Torn, Flutter, and Iron Hands didn’t exist it’d be amazing. It has amazing matchups against Ursaluna and can threaten an OHKO with CC/Low Kick, it can run First Impression which is huge off of 135 Attack and Stab, it has a ground resist and because of its huge Special Bulk it can eat hits from Lando-I really well, and it’s great against Lando-I, and it has good matchups against Ogerpon. It just was unfortunate enough to be in a meta game with so many counters to it alongside so many replacements for it
the problem is because they depend heavily on electric terrain which has limited distribution while past paradox just needs sun which is everywhere
It's more care in the past forms starting from design, I mean choosing Great Tusk or Iron Threads is easy, and see how peak level design Roaring Moon is!
As someone who mostly plays the older games, things like this practically insures I won't even bother trying the newer ones.
Was about to type a very angry comment until I realized you're just talking about VGC.
I will now type a slightly less angry comment.
I really think VGC creators ought to specify when they're talking strictly in a VGC context. Singles creators always do this anytime they're talking about the game, they specify the format, whether it's VGC, smogon singles, draft, etc, and as they should, as even the most hardcore fans of smogon singles still respect that VGC is its own unique, valid format that many people enjoy. Meanwhile it often feels like VGC creators actively despise singles, or at the very least it feels like they go out of their way to disrespect it, specifically by only ever referring to VGC as "competitive pokemon", implying that it's the only form of competitive pokemon that exists.
I should note this isn't a problem in any way unique to your channel, and I'm probably making a mountain out of a molehill a little bit here. I'm a big fan of Wolfey even though he calls VGC "competitive pokemon" in every video, but I'd still like to see him and the rest of the community stop doing that, as it borders on misinformation to be sitting here in a video, not specifying that you're talking strictly about bring 6 pick 4 doubles, saying that Iron Valiant is worse than Spidops, when the vast majority of battles that take place in a single player Pokemon game (you know, the thing the vast majority of the fanbase actually plays) are singles battles, where Iron Valiant is one of the scariest Pokemon in the entire game.
I find it really weird and offputting that the majority of the VGC playerbase seems to consider singles to be a "lesser" game, even going so far as to not even consider it as a legitimate kind of "competitive pokemon", even though it was being played years before VGC even existed. I also don't think that the fact that Nintendo officially supports VGC should make it in any way more valid of a game than singles is in people's minds, especially VGC players, who understand better than anyone just how incompetent Nintendo is at managing their own official format and tournaments. Like, we simultaneously recognise that Nintendo manages VGC horribly, with archaic and irrational rules such as genning being banned, which nukes accessibility and hurts the game massively on the whole, but then also act like Nintendo's blessing makes it God's Chosen Format.
I long for a world in which VGC and smogon singles players get along and respect each other, and don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are some singles players out there who act disrespectfully towards VGC, too, I just don't see the majority of singles youtubers doing that.
Apologies for taking a small gripe I have with the VGC community on the whole and then unloading it in your comments section, lol.
Anyway I still liked the video. Your editing looks really good and you have a nice voice, plus this kind of content is fun. I subbed.
Have a great day
I think some examples of UA-camrs that get this right are False Swipe Gaming, and Freezeai. Both show a clear respect and acknowledgement for both games. I'm not saying VGC UA-camrs have to start making singles videos or vice versa, just that a small disclaimer like "I'm talking about x format" goes a long way.
Thank you for the feedback. It’s comments like these that really help me out as a beginner content creator. Going forward, I will make sure to specify which context I am talking about when referring to competitive Pokémon. I also follow wolfey and have noticed him acting like singles doesn’t even exist, and while I primarily play and follow VGC, I totally respect that singles has its place and unique spin to it.
@@x_bell1142 wow thanks so much, i wasnt expecting a warm reception to this comment. much love ❤
I feel like if Pincuchin had the move trick room and 25 extra points in its hp base stat, this probably would mostly be solved.
I don't get why they went with a bunch of "modern" pokemon though for ancient forms. Sandy Shocks, the legendary dogs, screamtail all base off pokemon with a recent history, being a human created magnet, the pokemon that died in the ecruteak tower and basically aliens. from the hundreds they could have chosen they went with head scratchers.
You may have been confusing Jigglypuff for Clefairy
I think it's cool that Slither Wing feels more like an alternate evolution for Larvesta, keeping its physical oriented stats instead of doing the 180 flip it does normally when becoming Volcarona.
What I don't think is cool is that very few of the Future pokemon are steel or electric type, despite their appearance and names. They genuinely all would be better pokemon if all of them contained at least one of those types, and had movepools to match.
0:30 also miraidon saying its broken is a massive understatement
Was about to vandalise this man's house till I heard VGC
Design wise it would have been interesting to see more fusion based Future Paradox Mon and using that as the theme. Say a Vileplume/Belossom hybrid which is more organic than machine. Or a trio becoming a singular, Cerberus esque Pokemon.
I would like a Pokemon like Ampharos to get electric surge as an ability, not sure if I would help
They definitely need to give the surge abilities to at least 1 more mon
What about Iron Mugulis?
Any format that Miraidon is legal, groudon will also be legal. And groudon has spread ground moves which massively threaten the double electric set ups of Miraidon and iron hands/ thorns
Now that Miraidon is legal in VGC, I'm hoping so see some more future mons
Iron boulder has a competitive niche
Future paradox designs outshine past
Also, I’d take a chrome shiny over puke green fluttermane
I enjoy a lot of the future forms.
maraidon was immediately my fav over korraidon just by look and i have a weakspot in my hearth for electric types😅
Big fan of my favorite paradox Pokemon: Iron Mugulis and it's signature move Half Full. I'm positive it will dominate the VGC scene once we enter a restricted format.
Maybe future paradox would have been good if tapu koko was in pokemon violet, it would be a non restricted legendary with good offensive moves and support ones (electric web, nature’s madness) that can set the electric field switching in
1:37 I guess everything in the future truly is chrome after all
Most individual future Paradox designs I actually like in a vacuum. The part that bothers me is more looking at them collectively.
They had so many interesting scifi concepts to work with (speculative evolution, extraterrestrials, gene splicing, bioengineering, cyborgs, terraforming, iterations on virtual pokemon like Porygon or Rotom, etc.) and they just went "IDK make them all robots".
Granted, they allude to the possibility that Iron Hands is a cyborg or Iron Moth is a UFO - but aesthetically they're just treated like another robot in the pile rather than those differences standing out.
It's kinda disappointing.
I’ve personally grown fond of flutter mane I’ve used it ever since it was legal and love it, pairing it with dragonite creates a powerful speedy combo that I really enjoy using