Flash (T) v Savior (Z) on Ultimatum - StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Despite this video being 1 year old... and the replay obviously MUCH older than that; my compliments on a good video Falcon. Informative commentary. Good history lesson. Look to videos like this to keep your current commentary to this standard/or better... I admit I am slightly biased because it's Flash and a TvZ. Some of my favorite elements of starcraft. Love your channel. - A loyal fan.
After 10 year break, i went back to playing brood war, its great even without the remastered edition
I prefer the old version for more nostalgia
BW will never die.
Thinking of playing the game again because of Paladin's commentary videos. 😊
The mineral patches: it's at locations of island expansions, all three races can expand there if they drop a worker and collect the minerals first, but Terran can't just land a command center there before having dropship technology.
I looked it up, it says those mineral patches are there so Command Centers cannot lift there.
Huh, good to know! Thanks!
to block the expos
you wanted to know how many zerglings died during this ? Nearly all of them
uh, you guys are new to this game. :) it's always good to see new people coming up. I've been playing this game for 8 years and two games are never equal.
Bwahaha I have played starcraft since before brood war came out. Also who said that 2 games are equal ? WTF are you talking about here ??
The number of cassually sent ultras and zerglings to their deaths is agonizing to watch. O.o Falcon, you were right on the continued use of dark swarm. Couldve saved sooooo much.
in contrast with other great Zergs, Savior was not known for this micro
They're not sent to death. Its called stalling.
Dude you are a very entertaining narrator for sure! Love your style, and your videos!
Thanks, Brandon!
As always Falcon Paladin I want to say great job. I also want to make a comment to all the people who love and enjoy this game as much as we all do. Let's keep the comments respectful and polite even when we are offering constructive criticism towards Falcon Paladin. This guy is not making a million dollars casting these wonderful games in English so let's cut him some slack. He is essentially doing us all a public service for free so let's try to be nice to him and say thank you instead of calling him a fucking moron because he called a Spore Colony a Spore crawler. Get over it. Again thank you Falcon Paladin.
Thanks, Stuart. :)
I read the last part as " Get over it. Again fuck you Falcon Paladin" Still dont know why XDD
I love the fact that this many people watch sc1. It's such an old game if you've never played it in childhood or youth you wouldn't have sympathy for this game today. Falcon Paladin is the best commentator for these viewers here from post teen to mid age, drifter to businessman (possibly) :-)
I never played it but love watching it.
Around the 20:00 mark when you're wondering why Saviour isn't producing defilers, it's because he doesn't have gas. Flash has been running around picking off bases denying Savior gas. Late game is always about gas heavy units. Ultralisks cost 200 min, 200 gas, Defilers cost 50 min, 150 gas. If you look at the resources tab around 20:35 Savior has around 1700 min, and 160 gas banked, Flash has 5578 min, and 2660 gas banked. Flash's composition is essentially SK Terran with a bit of Biomech (siege tanks) thrown in, his main army composition is Medics, Marines and Science vessels. Saviour is trying to have Ultralisks as his gas sink unit, with Zerglings being his mineral sink, but he doesn't have enough gas to have enough Ultralisks to force a fight, I think usually you need about a dozen ultralisks (which would been 2400 min, and 2400 gas) to force the Terran Army to take a fight.
M&M are low econ and really easy to replace. Science Vessels are expensive (100 min, 225 gas) but they're highly mobile and regen energy so they're really cost effective if they survive. As long as Flash can poke around and kite, and keep map control, it's very hard for Savior to force a big fight to eliminate the bulk of Flash's army. What Savior really needs are some Queens to stop Terran mobility and force a fight where he can group Ultralisks to run the Terran army over. Zerg always needs to be at least a base up on the Terran to match the gas heavy units. Flash was constantly able to deny Savior's fifth forcing Savior to go for drop plays and starving Savior of gas. At around 22:00 mins when flash is going after the 3o'clock expansion, it's why he's killing the extractor first cause he knows he has to deny as much gas as possible. Around the 24:10 mark Savior doesn't have the gas economy to keep with Flash's army composition. Flash always needs to keep around 6-10 Science vessels for map control, along with about 8-12 siege tanks, which is about 44 supply, he'll have around 60 SCVS, the rest of his supply will be the low econ M&M. At 26:30 flash supply blocks Savior this is basically the game right there. The last few minutes of the game is just Savior trying to find a play anywhere.
Generally of all the great Terrans it was only Flash that was able to consistently choke the map away from the Zerg in a macro game like this, why he was the essentially the best Terran player ever.
After 20 years i still love this game, well done Terran
FlaSh apm dropping to low 200s is very odd especially since this was near his peak
21:22
"Savior's Gamble"
That word choice.. lmfao.
Heh, entirely unintentional. :D
21:20
I don't get it
@@steveocho savior is infamous for a massive matchfixing scandal that almost destroyed the brood war scene over a decade ago
I used to play Starcraft 1 and then somehow stopped playing it. Now I am studying for a degree that is about to drain my life. Your channel reminds me of my care-free times playing this game. Thx!
Man, that's depressing to think about. Hope you return to those care free days
Same boat.
Seemed exhaustive and about even tbh. I think Savior just got tired of it.
7:40 Ooooooh hes burrowing the 2 other lurkers on the same spot so if Flash scans he'd see only 2 holes
i use to stay in korean chats from 3.33 and other teams.... i friended a lot of them and one of my friends made me play 1 game vs savior.... i was insanely good Terran.... but the macro that savior had was just hacks... it was all good before he ran in with ultras.... it was most pleasuring loss in my scbw gaming....
This is going to sound revolutionary...but what if you used A queen to ensure all those REALLY FAST sci vess?
Ensare
Watching these at 2024. Gonna check my comments after 10 years again :)
Youre amazing FALCON!!
@@ralphjohncarlos1365 Thanks! Can't believe it's been so long!
Chào cả nhà cho mình hỏi đăng ký chơi onl như thế nào vậy
At 28:36 Excellent comment!! ^^
been playing it for 15 years and seeing Defiler's face for the first time. Yep for sure I used to, just hearing Savior's name, his real name, get goosebumps. For me it's Bisu, Savior, Flash.
6:56 "Here comes Flash" arguably the most terrifying statememt to hear in all of Starcraft BW
PitzkeMP - Savior was just as good and arguably better at his peak, but that fact gets lost due to his match fixing scandal
@@KyhronLuna yeah people are so rabid and just straight up deny his greatness because of it, which is a shame, the guy made zerg what it is.
Watching commentary of his games is not enough to grasp the full scope of his abilities, load em in to your own client, pause and observe his positioning and try and comprehend his decision-making, guys was a no holds barred genius, no other way to put it.
Lol just let flash turtle until hes maxed and your gonna lose. Savior put up a good fight on several occasions but never really had the army make up to win. Closest he got was the drop on the supply depots but i dont think he was ever gonna take down the tank balls at the normal ramp entrances to either side bases. Still a good game and cast.
This is literally the video video I watched by you and I already subbed! I love the 'human' aspect to your commentary, it doesn't feel robotic like some commentators can be.
Thanks for subbing! Glad you like my casting. :)
felt like an epic one!
Flash was in control of this game from the 10 min mark on.
Good cast, but don't try to compare zvt by units produced/lost, they use different units with different cost, base zerg unit costs 25 minerals, while base terran unit costs 50 minerals, same with resources gathered/spent when zerg spends about 1/4 more resources, you can't say that his macro was better.
This player could have won if he didn't waste so many ultralisks. It's amazing to see Flash use his strategy of overwhelm the opponent with irradiates and hundreds of nonstop marines.
Hey Falcon,
Nice channel man. The reason for the mineral patches is so that Terran cannot lift command centers and land there as they are also too close to a mineral patch to land. It makes it more fair because all of the races have to use a drop ship to get to the island bases.
its a bit hard to understand a flash vs savior matchup in 2018. Savior was banned from kespa in 2010. Why would flash play against him? I'd much rather see boxer vs savior or flash vs jaedong. Ive never seen a strong msl or osl match featuring these two
Saviour wasted his expensive units completely
i just love your cast even if the game is boring at the beggining your comentary is briliant.
You heard scans at about 5:00 yous hould actively look for those scans, or switch the fog of war to show only flashes vision so that you can see where he scanned, see if he saw that third base or not. Good casting ^^
guys let him cast this way its more appealing to new incoming brood war players, new brood war players would be intimidated if they hear technical broodwar terminologies but this? its a bit relatable to them and if you guys want to watch in depth BW watch the sons of starcraft tasteless and artosis cast . . . at least FP is relatable to newbs
tasteless and artosis actually make a noob friendly cast :3 Or at least I feel it that way haha
The game is pretty easy to learn you can play properly at 1500 in around a 2 or 3 weeks or so o:
Of course if you want to get higher then yea is really hard uwu
yeah true... i remember during a ASL cast (think it was the one right after remastered came out) and Tasteless started the cast by saying that him and Artosis were wanting to keep it simple and "hold our hands". Well, about 10 seconds after, he was talking about a plethora of different build orders (like the Protoss 2 base fast expo with wall in etc) Don't get me wrong, I love their commentary but cmon, first timers don't even know what a "gate" is :)
@ Bil Simmons
Tell that to all those Korean girls who would pack stadiums to watch OSL finals. I remember once a reaver nailing about 8 marines with one scarab and all you could hear was thousands of females screaming. You can enjoy Broodwar without actually playing it.
Hmm, why not Wraiths? There's so many Overlords just sitting around in the open. And he could've used them to pick off undefended Drones.
Cool but again..
omg watch bases
Bases
Not only center
What’s there preparing
Ultras
Greater spire
Defense
Supplies
Factories
Bc
Tanks o m g
I was born in 1999 and still play good old fashion broodwar with my laptop😂😂 I need to update
I wonder why Flash didn't irradiate as much as zerg overlord as he can, even when provided the opportunity. Non only that zerg would be supply blocked, but that also reduce overlord drop.
I love Falcons feedback and commentary very awesome to hear as a old-school StarCraft player. I made a new account recently and then I lost some matches on the BGH map 3v3 lol and I told them I played years ago... so don’t disrespect a old school player💯🖕🖕
Savior unit control isn't up to par compared to the likes of Flash/Effort/JD etc. His APM limits his game mechanics.
In my humble opinion, While Starcraft is considered one of the most balanced games, Irradiate and Storm are over- powered. That being said, I play Zerg, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
Saviour aka he who shall not be named
calyn06 😁😁
dark side ate his soul
Well he was the best zerg ever. The dark lord indeed.
Had to pause the video and comment when at 22 minutes flash had been over 3k minerals since minute 17 and by 22 7k minerals and 3k gas. No way Savior is winning this Falcon. No damage was done to the terran the whole game.
I enjoy watching this 20y old game. It's wonderful that the gameplay still holds to this day :)
Falcon thanks for the Brood War games. I love watching Flash play SC, it's like watching Mozart compose music.
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the cast. :)
Best thing you can do is admit when you are wrong. Most people dont have the strong characteristic to grow and learn. No one is always perfect. Ever. People will like and respect you more 🙂
Mineral patches were placed to give them more strategic choices so that games look more fun. Without it, it became little bit more boring. Some mineral patches prevents maps to be exclusively terran sided.
Love to watch Flash killing Zergs. He manages to use all units of air and ground forces.
I am 100% sure Dear Flash was so so so much enjoy with Savior, he is really playing game...
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Blyad, that's not korean gosus. Even not irradiated the defiler! Are you fooling us?
Это не Флеш, не вводите людей в заблуждение. Это было понятно еще по первой атаке. У Прогеймеров не копится по 5000 минералов. Флеш не дает противнику продохнуть, все время его прессингует. А тут какой-то нубский BGH показывают...
Что, если это случайный матч?
Я посматриваю соревнования по SC на канале АфрикаЛайв, там играет Флеш. Тот Флеш и этот на видео это как 1-й разряд и Мастер Спорта.
not interesting video style. you sou at the one point and skiped elaboration of the force of each player. in the same case i may look at the wall and fantasize about game
Savior did not do enough to keep the science vessel count low.
No micro no epic tag ! :)
Terran looks absolutely unstoppable lol
Open with a Terran... T lose 90% of the time. gotta go with protoss. I cannot wait to be an alien.
Damn i kinda a shamed noone play this beauty in EU , and playing against koreans its kinda really hard learn how to play
Holy moly 1k views already
Turns out Flash is reeeaaaaaal popular with the Brood War folk. :D
Falcon Paladin im a really great fan of flash, but my favorite player is Jaedong he even taught me to speak Korean :']
And im tbh I just came too cause I saw flash on the video Hahaha great fan of you too falcon! Hahahaha
Thanks, man! Got a big ol' Jaedong cast coming soon!
i find you just becouse i wanted to see flash matches :D :D
Việt Nam! Không còn ai thích cái này nhĩ.
The defiler makes you think of Silence of the Lambs
I hate Larva play-style, and i hate this zerg MORE!
If the guy is a cheater you really shouldn't be casting him
Why Savior refused to trans. to air units+ zergs, i really dont get it
26:00 - March of the Science vessels
4th game with Flash I've watched now where he just doesn't lose.
This was the first one I saw where his opponent actually looked like he had a chance at some point.
Don't tell anyone else:
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Despite this video being 4 year old... and the replay obviously MUCH older than that; my compliments on a good video Falcon. Informative commentary. Good history lesson. Look to videos like this to keep your current commentary to this standard/or better... I admit I am slightly biased because it's Flash and a TvZ. Some of my favorite elements of starcraft. Love your channel. - A younger and more loyal fan.
Hey, thanks for stopping by! Glad you enjoyed the history lesson, and boy do I sound a lot younger in this.
i like the graphics in original starcraft more than starcraft 2.
i didnt realize how ugly this game is. played it 21 years ago.
Man u cannot comment on that game. Do something else. Regards
why do you keep zooming on units? Is it the first time you see them?
Hey Falcon, you've came a long way my friend :) Here's to another 3 years of getting to hear "Hey Starcraft Fans" :)
Hey, Ghost! Thanks for the kind words. :) I hope I'm here for many, many years! Many more than three! :)
Savior was doing pretty well again Flash
You kept getting the base count wrong....
novadays replays are very very boring and slow
Your voice suit your style contain on your UA-cam channel. Good work falcon paladin
Thanks! I do my best. :)
this guy has no emotion... honestly its boring
2:19 Because those mineral patches block the Commandcenters/Nexuses/Hatcheries and you have to mine some mineral before you can exp there.
Thanks for the explanation. :)
War of attrition. Terrans are very good at those.
talking a lot like this is this falcon guy.
what we can learn from this one? Coordination is important.
If you bring lings and 10 mins after your defiler than it is pretty useless it seems
great footage, im sorry but im gonna be that guy as a starcraft fan
Savior will never be and never SHOULD be forgiven for the matchfixing, it infuriates as a South Korean he killed a huge industry and culture of Korea and disgraced Koreans in the gaming community as a global scale. I still believe a lot of Korean's smartness was made due to SC, you know how much of a intricate and heavy game SC is, and we used to play that from the age of 7 when it was a national thing, now that has died out since the driving force of the culture was wiped out. 마주작은 한국 경제의 일부를 없애버렸다는걸 잊지마라
Suck replay , Terran noob flash for defens , tanks is making 12 min suck , My atk for guardians and devories finísh kill. Two noobs god player is maching 🤣🤣🤣
Can You give more info about games you recasting? Tournament stage etc...
Sometimes I can, but often the replays I get have no context.
I have to say, I've never seen a top end player that didn't spam. I was shocked at the start to, so I kept track of it the whole game. At one point Savior was around 110 APM, but it hovered around 130-150 for a while. Then as the game went on and there was more to do, it steadily rose to around 200. Then again rose and stayed around 230-250 for a while. Savior actually exceeds Flash a few times after the 10 minute mark (260-300 range). They both settled around 250 in the late game, which seems to happen a lot in pro games.
Good to see Savior playing again, even though unofficially. He's no where near what he used to be. Clearly out of practice. Not surprising since it's not like he's making a living off of playing anymore. I would pay to see peak Flash vs. peak Savior. That would be something. The two did overlap briefly, but not for long before Savior got that lifetime ban slapped on him. The Pete Rose of SC.
WOW. I love you as a commenter (commentator) of Starcraft. It's just so refreshing to have someone so intelligent who speaks well. When you mentioned sisyphus to describe the never-ending pointless labor, I just had to stop working and write this comment. You are officially my favorite commenter of SC games. I am going to look up your podcasts, too. You're not vulgar, you stay focused on casting the games, you're not all about inside jokes, you prolific in what you produce. You're great.
Minor request: I think you should analyze maps more (i.e., the players are playing on map A, this map is conducive to rushes or economy or fliers, etc.). I realize that's less of a thing in BW, though.
I very much apreciate your work. I know you have your ways. And, you do are fun. But, try to watch some on day9's videos on technical aspects of playing. That, may develop your maturity on casting, even though that has no thing to do with casting. Hugs from Brazil!
It should be noted that any match involving Savior should be considered suspect considering his conviction for rigging matches...
This game does not involve Protoss but :
I believe without the feature of Psy Storm,
marine and firebat would get rid of zealot so well that tanks are truly unstoppable by that time.
love to watch marines on their base preventing the arbiters' recalls.
IMHP:
Protoss is just so good in the context of units' combination. The probe could expand by instantly warping multiple buildings
Terran might OP but it's not so mobile on expanding and defending multiple spots.
#Terran
I'm a fan. Always root for this faction. Flash %
#Zerg
I think Zerg Swarm is my favor. Love to see it beats other factions.
Especially against Protoss xD. Zerg players like Jaedong & Hero, having a great win rate using Zerg, is extremely incredible.
#Protoss
Love to see Protoss units getting killed sorely on their fantastic dead sounds and animations. The blue blood is just bananas xD
You're always worried/confused about the tech buildings being placed in the 3rd. The idea is to hide what he's doing. It's a gamble, sure, but so much is in SC. It's often about gambling intelligently for the win.
Some rust from the Ma Bonjwa. As always, the precision: dark swarm, defensive timings, precise execution of build. Everything is stellar, but that's it :D
Back then it was his passivity that killed his opponents, he trades well, attacks with just enough units to dish out the needed damage then all of a sudden he's waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of his opponent.
In this game, he just sits there doing nothing. Throwing ultras left and right, not to mention his ultras are suuuper late probably because he teched to hive way too early when he didn't need much dark swarm yet. Maybe he's scared of tanks? He needed the swarm for tanks.
But that's understandable. He's playing for fun only nowadays, he has nothing to push him to get the old saviOr back.
Regardless, the precision of his dark swarm still gives me the creeps. His defense in 27:30 shows a glimpse of the defensive prowess of the maestro of the old. He freaking destroyed that huge drop with minimal units wtf man.
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You said Flash had taken a 4th in the top right and you didn't even look up there until the 13 minute mark and then you call his 4th base his 3rd??? Flash's third is right outside his natural and you never even realized. Please try to do a better job of looking around the minimap rather than just staring at Flash's army.
Comming to you. Sounds much better dude !!!! Thumbs up, subscribe !!!!! Keep it up !
7:40 Savi0r stacked Lurkers on top of each other
7:54 2 spines and 4 Lurkers.
Just goes to show you how crazy Broodwar can be
If the game didn’t launch in windows 7 just uninstall blizzard app and then install it again don’t worry it won’t delete your games after that Starcraft remastered will work
As the name of 'Savior' goes.. Ironically he's done his fair share of death sentence on Korean esport league... Ironic.
yaaa playgu ga
Hey falcon. good casting. Keep the good work, I'm enjoying all ur videos.