Making Sense of the Stalemate in India Pakistan Peace Process | Dr. Saeed Ahmed Rid
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2023
- The peace process between India and Pakistan has been at a standstill since 2008, after the Mumbai attacks. Despite several attempts, the two countries are unable to revive the peace process. The stalemate further deepened by the Modi government’s decision to revoke Articles 370 and 35-A of the Indian Constitution in 2019. In this talk, the author will trace the developments since 2008 and analyze the nature and scope of the stalemate. He will explain how the current stalemate is different from the past stalemates and discuss possible way forwards for the two countries. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion.
About the Speaker:
Dr. Saeed Ahmed Rid is an Assistant Professor at National Institute of Pakistan Studies, Quaid-i-Azam University Islamabad. He has a PhD in Peace Studies from the University of Bradford and has done postdoctoral research as a Commonwealth Academic Scholar at the University of Oxford. He has received prestigious awards such as the Commonwealth Scholarship award and Rotary World Peace Fellowship. Dr. Rid has also collaborated on research with Indian scholar Sasmita Tripathy for their monograph, “Democracy as a conflict resolution model for terrorism: A case study of India and Pakistan” that won him the Mehbub-ul-Haq Research Award. Recently, he completed a postgraduate diploma in Federalism, Decentralization, and Conflict Resolution from the University of Fribourg, Switzerland.
Joke of the year...."An Islamic country lecturing about Securalism" !!!
Inka existence he Joke hai brother 😊
Secularism kya hai ye unko bta rhe hai Jo Sanatan ke philosophy ko nhi jante.
only a pakistani think tank expert give 2 hr talk on India - Pakistan without calling out terrorism, Islamist ideology and it's impacts on Hindu's in Pakistan.
correct
Kaise bolega😂😂
Pakistan is not interested in the interests of but only interested on water reservoirs of Kashmir, they are not discussing HINDU genocide 1990s
And Islamic republic of Pakistan talk on hindutva
Stop playing games that hindus are in bad situation in pakistan .
*Has population of Hindus reduced in Pakistan and reducing due to conversion or genocid?*
*According to Wikipedia*
Before the partition, according to the 1941 census, Hindus constituted 14.6% of the population in West Pakistan (which is now Pakistan) and 28% of the population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh).After Pakistan gained independence from the British Raj, 4.7 million of West Pakistan's Hindus and Sikhs moved to India as refugees.And in the first census afterwards in 1951, Hindus made up 1.6% of the total population of West Pakistan So stop scamming peoples 😈 it has not reduced it is same ......... And Can u quote some big genocide or killing Cases of pakistan against hindus like me ( see below)
Now let us disscuss condition of muslims in india
There have been several instances of religious violence against Muslims since the Partition india 1947, frequently in the form of violent attacks on muslims by Hindu nafionalists mobs that form a pattern of sporadic secterian violence between the Hindu and Muslim communities. Over 10,000 people have been killed in Hindu-Muslim communal violence since 1950 in 6,933 instances of communal violence between 1954 and 1982. Can u condemn these acts .......
list of violence against muslims in india
1 ; 1964 Kolkata riots
2 ; 1983 Nellie massacre
3 ; 1969 riots to 1985 riots
4 ; 1969 Gujrat riots
4 ; 1987 Hashimpura massacre
5 ; 1989 Bhagalpur violence
6 ; 1992 Bombay riots
7 ; 2002 Gujarat riots
8 ; 2013 Muzaffarnagar riots
9 ; 2020 Delhi riots
Stop learning history and about pakistan from u r fraudsters news channels and from u r Textbooks which r made to blame islam and pakistan .............
It is true that Islam spreads terrorism if practised completely but all religions have hate ..... can i quote some verses of vedas,puranas etc about caste sytem .....
At 33:05 when Modi goes to Pakistan then acc tk this guy... It was a tamasha... And when nawaz sharif comes to India, it was a good gesture... Just see his intellect... I mean.. To tally biasness on such a minor issue.. Then how unbiased his whole conversation would be..
Wohi toh Inn jhopdiwalo ka Logic Flat earth wala 😂😂
PAKI are THANKLESS.. their biker welcome in DelhiAbrar,that was drama but they refused permission to Hajee a walking thru Pakistan... they had security problems
After doing all the terrorism against India🇮🇳 , how can a Pakistani cry India not cooperating??????
Pakistan should stop terrorism and give back the POK....
The good thing in this whole conversation is no matter BJP be in power or not... Pakistans destruction is inevitable...
but if BJP not in power congress chutiya might restart aman ke asha drama.
370 is history now😂😂
*_If Kashmir Becomes The Part Of Pak. The Problem Is Not Going To End._*
*_Here are some reasons. (for PSC students specially)._*
1) Water issue - Rivers Coming From Kashmir Into India Will Become One Of The Reason Of Dispute.
2) 2 Nation theory - Perception of India Is A Hndu country. And H-M cannot Live Together. This narrative is still going to be carried by Pak.
3) Personal interest of groups - Certain groups (LeT, Hizbul) who has Kashmir as the sole reason of existence will find new reason of stay active.
4) Pak Army's Strategic Depth & Regional power agenda will get massive boost. They will have greater leverage against India.
5) China might become aggressive over India, perceiving India as weak Nation.
6) Pak's political instability will always impact the border. Where political parties might still try to divert public attention by creating border tension.
7) Nuclear tension will still be an aspect Of conflict.
8) Historical grievances - Grievances of partition in 1947 still going to haunt both the Nations.
9) Economic competition will still be an issue. Kashmir is a tourist destination bringing Foreign currency.
10) Since, India has huge Mooslem Population. Pak cannot isolate itself. It will always try to influence mooslem Population of India.
11) Rare earth material, Mineral deposits - Every new discovery will bring a sense of loss among India public.
India will take GB and POK by force. No wishful thinking by Pakistan.
370 toh bahana hai. Hindu ko marna hai
The traitor Congress can change it
But remember that Balochistan is still under occupation and Gilgit Baltistan has not been given back. No peace is possible.
I find it strange how much Pakistanis worry about India's secularism, while ignoring their whole Islamization with not even a fig leaf of secularism.
I don't think the speaker touched upon Pakistan's illegal cession of Kashmiri territory to China in 1963 vs Pakistani angst about Article 370. Basically, Pakistan feels free to change borders but India must not change its own Constitutional provisions. If Pakistan wanted a say in India's internal affairs, well, it was them who raised the Two Nation Theory.
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊😊
Arey sabka software update ho gaya hai. No one can talk against the Army narrative 😂😂
@@realistuser Pak army is killing terrorists in balochistan , can u show Actual stastical data that balochs and Sindhis Want freedom from pakistan ....... 😂 ..... only few peoples are resisting and they are afghans and talibans
@@iamunknown1386 Can you mention the conditions before plebiscite can be held
@@iamunknown1386 Can you explain the missing person situation. Can you list Balochi, Kashmiri, Hindu, Christian playing in PSL
This is not a stalemate. This is the correct type of relationship. By definition, these are two incompatible countries that should not have any trade or travel. The border should be permanently shut. It also looks well lit and beautiful from space. These countries have nothing in common.
I definitely have strong remarks on his phd....so sad to see this
Not everyone can be Mr.Hoodboy or Syed Muzammil sahab. And not everyday can mr. Hoodboy be there to oversee these biased speeches and intervene with his logic, intellect and integrity
@@kanaka7552what about Mr. Hoodbhoy's thought on India's history. I am sorry to say but Mr. Hoodbhoy also lacks critical thinking
The best solution is 'No friendship no enmity' policy. If two brothers cannot live in harmony then it is better to follow 'Live and let other Live' policy. Kashmir is not negotiable.
Brothers who ?
But india always interfare in pakistan ....
@@L.K.P_ i was not expecting that from Indians ...... u r brains are full of hate about pakistan 😕 i can't express my feelings ...... I am sad to see such hate from educated peoples
@@iamunknown1386 Oooo dard hue bacche ko😂
We are no brothers with Pakistan .
His audience is educating him with lot of things in the topic he speaking and he is like oh i didnt know 😂😂😂 typical nature of pakistan 😂😂
😂😂😂
India's part of Kashmir Budget 2023 - 14 Billion USD
Pakistan's Budget - Depends on IMF's loan 😂😂
Yes 😂
This is one of worst discussion happened in Black Hole till date. Instead of Pakistan reflecting upon themselves and their follies, they are talking about Hindus in India. Khaane ko roti nahin hai, par yehaan log baithak lagaye hue hain.
Kutte ki doom jo hai wo kabhi seedhi nahi ho sakti, ye jo aapko pata tha to kutte ki dum agar sidhi hone ki expectation apne lagai hai to ye to aapki galti hai.
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
The biggest thing is they think Modi came to power because of Pakistan 😂😂
@@contrarian322 buddy everything in this world is because of pakistan man: apple would have never made an iphone if pakistan wasnnt existing
REALITY IS REALITY
DENYING FACT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT
apka criteria right or wrong ka h if it is against pakistan , it is correct and if it is against india or hindutwa it's faulse 😂
Bro think rationly .
Roz Pakistan me hindu girls ko forcibly convert Kiya jata hai lekin koi Pakistani iss par baat nhi karta. 😢😢😢
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
Sirf syed muzammil shah ne video banaya hai,aur Harris sultan ne
Yeah na pucho
Lakhs of Kashmiris are studying and working in rest of India. More than a Crore Indian Tourists visited Kashmir last year, greatly improving Kashmir's economy. Pakistani Punjabis should stop shedding crocodile tears for Kashmiris, who are quite happy in India.
🙏🏽🇮🇳🙏🏽
It is evident from todays talk that each and every Pakistani just hate our great leader, Modiji...
But their heart will burn 🔥 when they hear that Modiji will be back with a bang💥
Your state doesn't inspire that confidence though going by recent election results 😂
@@knightf8648 read and understand diff between state & national election. There were others states lost by BJP since 2014, then what? See the reality.
@@knightf8648 So do you also feel that Khangress should come to power in India and Papu should be the first PM, so that you can get Kashmir....?? ¿😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@RaviYadav-bu2pg modi is antimuslim extremist terrorist and butcher of gujrat .... se bbc documentry on him , he is cruel wants cruelty and support cruelty , i hope ond day india will be in right hands
@@iamunknown1386 Lol, it's only Modi who is the right person for India.
It's very understandable why all the enemies of India want Modi out.
The real joke of the show is "Pakistan is a democracy "😂😂😂
Dr Sahib, Please don't give your plateform to such blatant liars,This is not helping Pakistanis to understand the reality of bilateral relations.Also this will hurt the creditableity of Blackhole.
REALITY IS REALITY
DENYING FACT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT
apka criteria right or wrong ka h if it is against pakistan , it is correct and if it is against india or hindutwa it's faulse 😂
Bro think rationly .
@@iamunknown1386 think however u want but think fast, before u run out of aata. Ur economy is already in drain my son. 😂😂😂
@@iamunknown1386 just reading what you are copy pasting here is good enough to give a good understanding of why Pakistan is going down on a slippery slope. You guys first need to get out of your Army’s behinds and go to some real schools to get some real education.😅
@@iamunknown1386 Since Pakistan is Islamic, why India can't be Hindu? Hypocrisy of Pakistanis is laughable.
Mr. Rajesh Suneja it's your fault that you are expecting some critical thinking from any pakistani. They live in their own bubble, let them live.
It is amazing; you create most terrorists and blaming RSS. The RSS never created any terrorist .
Because RSS is Nationalist
It hurts Them
Jaishankar - Pakistan's credibility is depleting faster than it's forex reserve. 😂🎯
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
@@realistuser look dear I'm very okay with giving kashmir away
But u should also take 200 million muslims from india as well since u believe in two nation theory as well 😂😂 if 1 crore comes into pakistan u will breathe like last breath 😂😂
Om okay as long as u take 200 million muslims from india
since it's a small piece of land where muslims are in majority but no ladakh or jammu will be included in it since they are budhist hindu majority
After all that BORING debate and arguing and ulaa-fulaa fizul Batein.... That LAST guest gave the PERFECT summary of "Operation Gulmarg" i.e Srinagar pe Fateh/Qabzaa - launched by Jinnah himself on Aug 20th 1947 -- Why? all because the Maharaja Hari Singh refused him Visa a month earlier...!!
Now we know how "it" began -- by Jinnah himself on pure personal VENDETTA 😁😁
HATS OFF to that final speaker! 👌👌👍👍
All 20 Pakistanis interested in peace with India attended the event.
This guy is CLEARLY a "Fauji guy" -- his notes etc most likely prepared by GHQ or in NDU Islamabad... Only vardi (uniform) vo BHOOL gaye ghar 👍👍😁
There can not be peace between india and Pakistan . Pakistan can not survive without hatred and anti-india bashing. Even if Kashmir issue is resolved, a new issue will crop up between the two countries. Hostility towards india is a reality to justify two nation theory and survival of Pakistan.
Intellectual depth = -273' C
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
The speaker emphasis so much why the 2 countries are not making enough effort towards the peace process but fails miserably at explaining the underlying problem. Pakistan has betrayed India so many times that every indian government whether it's Congress or BJP will be highly suspicious of anything that Pakistan does. The phrase "Once bitten twice shy" is very appropriate when dealing with Pakistan. All 5 wars, Mumbai attacks, Pathankot, Pulwama etc were conspired by Pakistan ann put all the peace process in vain. These so called speakers must challenge the Pakistani regimes and so called "establishments" and call them out. Every country is responsible for its geopolitical interest and what India is doing right now is in it's own interests. Pakistan can not be trusted anymore and it's the fault of their own.
The reason why India is presently in no mood to talk, is not that Pakistan appears to be self - destructing, but because in an unstable Pakistan who should it hold talks with.
This blackhole episode seems more like glory hole episode 😊😂😂
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
Muslims are evenly spread across India, and follows different cultures of those regions. Even the Shia and Sunnis and many different sects of Islam live peacefully and thrive in India. Whereas in Pakistan Shias and other minorities are targeted in broad daylight.
1:15:20 to 1:15:40 reality of minorities in pakistan. As minorities are constitutionally discriminated based on religion but indian constitution grants equal rights to everyone regardless of their religion,gender,caste.
Sir
We don’t want peace with Pakistan.
Pakistan was made by breaking United India. And only for Muslims
Now stay happy within your borders and let us stay happy within ours.
Now that Indians are rising up and expressing their preference through the democratic process _ Pakistan is upset!! Why Sir ??
Modi is an elected PM of India - you have no right to pass judgement on our choice
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
May be the guy doesn’t follow his country’s parliament sessions.All they discuss in their parliament is India, Kashmir, Modi and Indian Muslims. No wonder India is developing so well, I mean with two two countries’ working for it ye toh hona hi tha. 🤟🙏🏻
Speaker says exact opposite. *INDIA IS AND ALWAYS WAS AN ISSUE IN PAK ELECTIONS* Whereas Pak is only a passing reference in Indian politics
Internationally Pakistan isolated by modi ji. Aur bako kashmir kashmir. "mit rahe hain, bak rahe hain" kashmir 😅😅
@Syedbakeruddin Bekar no humanity, no mercy. Even they not give less pain death to Animals. They give " maximum pain" to every Animal by doing "Halal" process😢😢
I have asked myself if Kashmir is the cause of the India-Pak disputes or a symptom of a deeper malaise, like an unhealing sore reflecting a bigger health problem. Even if we resolve the Kashmir issue, would the relations improve; I think not. The deeper malaise is Pakistan's eternal hatred of Hindu (Pakistanis love calling it Baniya) India. The Pakistani elite has always weaponized religion to hold together the different provinces of the country. As we all know, this strategy had not worked in Bangladesh, nor does it seem to be working in the restive provinces of Balochistan, POK, and, of late, Sind. I have said a number of times that (1) make the LOC into an international border, (2) allow the free movement of the native Kashmiris across the border, and (3) Pakistan drop its eternal hostility towards India. Except for the minuscule and harmless Akhand Bharat crowd, the Indians are not interested in swallowing Pakistan. So, it can stop being a garrison state and divert its resources towards economic development. Pakistan has the required natural resources and a talented populace; it has to only change its mindset.
Why will India want to swallow Pakistan? Pakistan doesn't add any great human resource value to India. Capturing Pakistan will only be a liability.
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
If Kashmir Becomes The Part Of Pak. The Problem Is Not Going To End.
Here are some reasons:-
1) Rivers Coming From Kashmir Into India Will Become One Of The Reason Of Dispute.
2) The Mindset Of Pak Citizen That India Is A Hndu Country & Pak Is Mooslem Country. And Both Cannot Live Together. It Is Still Going To Stay.
3) Pak's militia group will get more confidence and they will become more active.
4) Pak Army's Strategic Depth & Regional power agenda will get massive boost.
5) China might become aggressive over India, perceiving India as weak Nation.
6) Pak's political instability will always impact the border.
7) Nuclear tension will still be an aspect Of Conflict.
8) Historical grievances - grievances Of Partition in 1947 still going to haunt both the Nations.
9) Economic competition will still be an issue.
10) Since, India has huge Mooslem Population. Pak cannot isolate itself. It will always try to influence mooslem Population of India.
@@KararaJawaab bro Mera comment bhi pdh k btao
@@realistuserBro, You Have Logic In Your Comment. But, Our Pakistani Brothers Prefer Not To Think Logically.
Sometimes, They Have To Proof Themselves More Pakistani By Making Illogical Remarks On Kashmir.
We, As An Educated Indian Youth Should Always Refute Them Logically. No Need To Making Personal Comment Or Bad Remark On Religious Community As Whole.
I'm Happy To See Positive Attitude Of Indian Youth. More Education Will Make Us More Powerful At International Stage.
Muslim aaye din India ke alag alag cities me Dange karte rahte hai. Lekin Pakistanis kahte hai Muslims India me suppressed hai. 😂😂
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
Pakistani consider themselves as ummaathe islam.... I don't what does that mean. But I know that Pakistan has become a beggars nation😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
SAARC was destroyed by Pakistan. In SAARC charter bilateral issues can't be raised . But at SAARC Kashmir issue was raised by Pakistan. Therefore, SAARC was derailed .Pakistan is a spoiler of all international conferences. Pakistan has not given MFN to India under pressures from Maulana of Pakistan, but india extended same to Pakistan.
No we indians have no jntrest in meeting or talkjng or engaging with paksitanis
We are done for now
We have suffered enough and we have had enough
The Indian nationalists would not participate in World War II merely to perpetuate British rule over India. Edward John Thompson (1886-1946) wrote "Enlist India for Freedom!"(1940) to argue for something different. But:
In my talk with Mr. Jinnah last October, there was this exchange: there is no harm in quoting it, since it is what he has said so often and so often.
"Two nations, Mr. Jinnah! Confronting each other in every province? every town? every village?"
"Two nations. Confronting each other in every province. Every town. Every village. That is the only solution."
"That is a very terrible solution, Mr. Jinnah!"
"It is a terrible solution. But it is the only one".
-- So why are Pakistanis crying today if those confrontations happen in India?
When Geo editor comes out of Tajmahal hotel in Mumbai after meeting Times of India representative, he came to know about the attack on Taj that day and the most interesting and notable is his reaction " oh now Aman ki Asha will not happen " which is admission by any pakistani that in the heart they know who does the terrorism in india.
**Indian should not fall for Prithvi raj syndrome** India has given ample chance to pakistan. We should focus on our growth and development instead of our neighbors. We are surrounded by countries which are pro China and loyal to them. To Counter China,we need to focus on economy, technology, education. Thats all
I don't know one thing, why Pakistan accept us to see Mumbai attack as normal attack. Will anyone take the responsibility of any attack after fixing relation . Pakistani should not accept good relation with us. For your people living in a future heaven is the main goal, but for us living with present us is the main goal, heaven or hell will be decided by God later.
How can this conversation be conducted without acknowledging Pakistani terror factories along the border.
Love day ke intellectuals.
This respected speaker has shown Pakistani side of narratives and thus a biased and illogical one. Resolution of Kashmir issue of Indian side is done.
Why u have not applied UN solution for kashmir , i mean voting
@@iamunknown1386 let first Pakistan withdraw it's forces as per resolution and than India will think.
@@iamunknown1386 rape jihad ki najayaz paidaish ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool randikhana masjid and madrassa chap porki first read about un resolution which ur gando laudakhor mullah and maulanas have shoved it up there 💩 filled islami 🍑
@@orissa72 it's not part of solution
@@iamunknown1386 u are talking about UN solution for Kashmir do u know their terms. I guarantee u never read it. no Pakistani ever read UN resolution on Kashmir.
Who wants negotiation with beggars 😂. Can beggars negotiate ? Do they have any power to negotiate
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
@@realistuser Fact they made the first blunt
Thank u Pakistan and China, for making us more patriotic Indians, through ur activities in last 75 years. When a spiritual HINDU (or a JEW) becomes patriotic, that becomes deadly. Pakistani or Chinese people have no clue to that.
Hinduism is cult just like islam ,
see reality of hindu scriputres
Can i show u some verses
@@iamunknown1386 I'm not a religious Hindu but I strongly support Hindu Nationalism.
@@krishnkant9477 same iam an athiest but we need to protect ourselves like jews
@@realistuser right
SAARE JAHAN SE ACCHA
HINDUSTAN HUMARA 🇮🇳🇮🇳
The quality of speakers on this platform is sometimes abysmal. This one had no intellect, he was extremely biased, his presentation was full of lies (Pakistanis of course would of course never know since they don’t know what the truth is), he is immature and full of nonsense. I pity the Pakistani public. The entire system is rigged against them. Truth is never taught or told to them. It’s sad!!!
India knows how to ensure peace. Be assured there will be no talks.
*_If Kashmir Becomes The Part Of Pak. The Problem Is Not Going To End._*
*_Here are some reasons. (for PSC students specially)._*
1) Water issue - Rivers Coming From Kashmir Into India Will Become One Of The Reason Of Dispute.
2) 2 Nation theory - Perception of India Is A Hndu country. And H-M cannot Live Together. This narrative is still going to be carried by Pak.
3) Personal interest of groups - Certain groups (LeT, Hizbul) who has Kashmir as the sole reason of existence will find new reason of stay active.
4) Pak Army's Strategic Depth & Regional power agenda will get massive boost. They will have greater leverage against India.
5) China might become aggressive over India, perceiving India as weak Nation.
6) Pak's political instability will always impact the border. Where political parties might still try to divert public attention by creating border tension.
7) Nuclear tension will still be an aspect Of conflict.
8) Historical grievances - Grievances of partition in 1947 still going to haunt both the Nations.
9) Economic competition will still be an issue. Kashmir is a tourist destination bringing Foreign currency.
10) Since, India has huge Mooslem Population. Pak cannot isolate itself. It will always try to influence mooslem Population of India.
11) Rare earth material, Mineral deposits - Every new discovery will bring a sense of loss among India public.
Perfect. I will write it down somewhere. Very informative.
This is real education. An indian must always think from educational mindset.
@@AryaArshThank you.😊
India should be secular but Pakistan can be islamic, even experts believe in that. And what about your Constitution too, which Discriminates its own citizens, even this particular expert is talking about Indian Muslims and not about Pakistani Hindus or Sikhs or other minorities. And that is why Pakistan is in this situation today.
What we need is just totally ignore Pakistan on all fronts, just be alert on borders. That's it.
Just check your school textbooks.
India had Muslim President, Vice President was Muslim, Indian cricket team captain was Muslim, all today's superstar of Bollywood are Muslims.
The speaker is absolutely wrong in saying that plebiscite happened in all other states. No plebiscite happened in all other princely states. Their allegiance was purely decided by the ruler/ king of every state. Hence Maharaja Hari Singh had the complete authority to write instrument of accession with India.
Best suggestion on Kashmir issue has been given by Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed.
Imagine giving a talk about India-Pak ''stalemate'' without mentioning Pak sponsor of terror, 26/11 and Military control over Pak governments.
Truly a sub par talk.
The absence of Mr.Hoodboy is showing. Please don’t bring in such biased one sided speakers peddling their own little distorted version of a topic as important as this. If this is how you are going to distort the facts then don’t expect any peace between the countries. Kargil was a mistake by Pakistan which happened without your own PM’s NawazSharif’s knowledge. When he came to know about it, and when the Indian Army forced the Pakistani Army to go on the back foot, he ran to his US daddy and brought them in. In your talk so far, you haven’t once called out your Army’s attacks on India . You volunteer to open a topic on Indo Pak relations and then have your own distorted myopic view of it presenting a complete dishonest picture, what do you expect?
Research WhatsApp university se ki thi kya professor sahab..
Jo facts to kuchh had tak shi hai but bich 2 me jo aap apna narrative de rhe vo biased hai
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
Greetings from New Delhi...I do follow Black Hole from time to time. I think it would be a good idea to have this programme live on zoom so that audiences in India can also have the liberty of asking questions. Please consider this as we are not in tune with all the explanations offered by the esteemed speaker and the audience can be allowed to hear a different view point .
I'm from Kashmir but we never asked or wanted to be part of Pakistan. The root cause of our issue is Pakistan if Pakistan didn't have invaded Kashmir in 1947 the maharaja didn't have to sign instruments of accession with India in rush without knowing the wish of the Kashmiri's ok as J & K became part of India it was acceded on terms of autonomy which India with the article 370 and 35 A which gives the states special identity which India scrapped on 5 August illegally here again without the wish of the people now in dispute of both nation Kashmiris are suffering nobody asked us what we want but we are bleeding since 70 years as UN resolution of referendum let the people decide their fate where they want to go or stay independent most probably people here want to stay independent as we are fed up because of this dispute or we can be remain part of India with autonomy like it was promised before with peaceful relation with Pakistan
I agree to the point on lack of consultation with J&K people about what they think about being with any of these countries or remaining independent since past 75 years.
But your claim that J&K wanted to be independent so that they won't be sufferer between the quarrels happening between both these nations - i think this point is far fetched thinking. I feel if J&K people takes such a stand (which they took at the time of independence to remain independent) - where Pakistan wanted J&K and has sent tribals leading to accession. There is a possibility of J&K suffering on similar lines as both countries could try such silly / stupid things - may be emotionally driven or whatever could be the reasons. So I feel, J&K remaining independent between two hostile nations will be detrimental to J&K itself.
Pakistan has high hopes pinned on Congress 😅😂
Which is why it's obvious to vote 4 BJP.
negotiation my foot . ....tottaly surrendor😂😂😂
Go Back to August 5 lol😂😂 You back off from POK & Gilgit 😂
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
India is passing through a period like Zia ul Haq's in Pakistan??? Are there any public floggings in India?? With scholarship like this heaven help Pakistan!!🙂And what is happening to Muslims in India?? Pakistan should offer open invitation to Indian Muslims to migrate to Pakistan!! You will find out the truth!!😄😃Indian Muslims are progressing in every strata of society including in Science & Technology, Business and administration!!
Basically pakistanis want peace but only on their terms. The lady asked question on precarious condition of Hindus in Pakistan but he deflected on RSS and modi. Pakistan where girl of hindu community are abducted everyday, nothing even remotely of that sort happens of that sort in india. Only hijab issue happens and none of university girls i have seen in pak wear burqa which they insist to wear in india.
Ese lecture to hamare yaha ke 3class ka bachcha de sakta hai 😂😂😂😂
These kind of speakers sense an opportunity to speak blatant lies using platform like blackhole, after Pervez Hoodbhoy's interview on the Pakistan Experience channel which he gave without knowing a single ground reality here in India by only quoting anti-india and anti-modi narrative.
These kind of "professors" are like, one eyed leader of blind community. "Anddho ki toli ke, ek aankh wale sardaar".
America did not call Navaz; Navaz call to seek US appointment. I know, I was in Washington DC.
The speaker is totally wrong in his assessment of Hindutva and India a good Hindu is one who respects all religion in our India all live peacefully every religion in the world is found in India you cant compare India with Pakistan
This man definitely done his Phd from Labaik ya Rasoolallah University 😂🤣
All the 15 rational thinkers in Islamabas attended this meeting.
I started watching this vlog of Blackhole, since I have thought it presents rational and comprehensive views.
I wonder why speaker does not share his views on how children are systematically taught not only anti India but anti Hindu rhetoric. We can expect anti Hindu sentiments in Pakistan. It is reflected in anti Modi narrative too. Since Modi is seen as from Hindi supported party so Modi is very bad.
Sir you are wrong.
Modi tried it's best to improve Indo Pak relations but your army seriously opposed it. Nawaz Sharif lost his prime Ministership since Army thought Nawaz is interested in improving relations with India.
Either you have no idea about indian elections or you are trying to run a propaganda. Modi did not won 2014 elections on Anti Pakistan slogan. Please read some literature before making presentations on prestigious platforms like Blackhole. Here is the proof of your lies.
1. Modi won as Indians thought he can bring good governance in rest of India the way he improved Gujrat. Gujrat has excellent economy.
2. Indians were fed up with corruption scandals of Congress. Please refer thousands of national news reporting on Congress corruption during 2011 to 3013.
3. Indian people were fed up with the Pakistan sponsored terrorism in India. They wanted a strong Prime Minister. If Pakistan does not commit terrorism, no one would ever talk about Pakistan.
4. Indian society knows Pakistan as terrorist sponsoring country. Why so? Because you guys have maximum number of UN designated terrorists in Pakistan. Twice, You have been in FATF list. It shows your terrorism related acts. USA caught Obama in your country.
Your President Musharraf accepted in his book that Pakistan was involved in spreading terrorism in India. PM Nawaz Sharif publically accepted that Pakistan was the reason for terrorist attack on India. All these things are matter if record.
It is Pakistan who attacked Kashmir in 1947-48, again in 1965, 1971 and 1999.
Why should people from Kashmir would like to join Pakistan? They know what you are doing with Baloch? What you have done with East Pakistan people which has become Bangladesh.
Even today your national political leaders are openly talking about Pakistan being broken in more countries. Sir I am not saying so. But your leaders are talking so.
You can just dream of talks. India is fed up with Pakistan. No one wants to talk with Pakistan.
You seems to talk I'll about Modi. It was Congress govt which broke Pakistan in parts, not BJP.
Sir, your talk is more theoretical with no relation with real polity. Please read more on India if you want to make any meaningful presentation.
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊😊
Bhai Pakistan ka logic earth chapta wala hai
Well said! 👍🏼🇮🇳🙏
@@realistuser do u have evidence share it present it why ur kaum is UN designated territory and we are CEO and CFO of the world. Even if we are doi by propaganda by god u guys are in competent
What kind of 'give and take' did the speaker mean when he is not ready for Pakistan recognising Indian-administered J&K as its part, however ignore its control over POK, Gilgit, and Baltistan. Let's assume India is forcefully controlling its part of J&K but what is stopping Pakistan to declare the part controlled by it as an independent country and vacate it ??
There are so many misrepresented facts here, "Mumbai ho gaya", "Kargil ho gaya", who the hell did it ?? And it was Nawaz who ran to US not Indian, that asked the US to interfere in Kargil; India was infact in an advantageous position, and politically it would have been in better for the then government of Vajpayee to continue to war to gain popularity. You have issues with 370 and 35 A, why the hell illegal selling of Sakshgam valley to China is not mentioned? Who will mention the construction of your favourite CPEC road by China through a territory disputed by India ?
To any sane mind, the only solution to this problem is making LOC an international border and India ceding its claim on Pakistan-controlled territories and Pakistan on Indian-controlled territories, as was being discussed between Musharraf and Vajpayee however, it will never happen because the bone of contention is not Kashmir but religion and ideology. Indian liberals are fool to think it as a mere political feud. A country whose apparently the most popular politician and an ex-cricketer used to play against India as a Jihad can ever be at peace with us ??
And an open border will be a nightmare for Indians; who knows what Pakistan is sending from that border ? As most of the Indian state's borders are open, then apparently anyone starting from Islamabad and Lahore can end up on my doorstep with any kind of intention, and I am not at all comfortable with it.
It is a big myth spread by some Pakistan lovers in the Indian state of Punjab or maybe Delhi and few cities of UP that we have so much in common with Pakistan. No, we don't have! As per 2011 census, out of 121 crore Indians, only 6 crore speak Urdu and 3 crore speak Punjabi as their mother tongue hence not more than 7 % of the total India's population. It is only you in some parts of west India having commonalities, the majority of Indians have nothing in common with Pakistan, from food, religion, culture, language, or society.
To be realistic, India has nothing to gain from these so-called pacts of UN, Shimla etc. Let's just accept the truth, this will be a continuous ideological war. No matter how much understanding we become, Pakistan will remain an eternal nuisance for us and let's accept to live with it. People like Hoodboy, Najam Sethi, and Hasan Nisaar are a tiny minority, and they don't run this country.
Bhai Modi hi aegaaa.😂😂😂😂😂
1:35 the gentleman nailed it and the speaker is speechless 😀. I pity on this researcher. My suggestion to Dr Pervez is to moderate these kind of speaker.
His discussion only Jammu and Kashmir not pok like how many airport in pok education and health and roads electricity railway in pok
The Idea of a nation based on Islamic Identity failed when Bangladesh separated from erstwhile Pakistan.
At this time.... pakistan must first solve it's problem, pakistan have lost so many opportunity to improve relation...
Now for India, kashmir is history. As long as pakistan accept it. It is good for them
He said kashmiri are getting oppressed without any proof the number of killings happening in Balochistan is much more than kashmir and the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
@@realistuser previously I thought that rational people of pakistan have some different opinions.
But the intelectual dishonesty that have exit in some indian mind is also reflected in the pakistani intelectual.
The hatred towards indian civilization is even worse ...
They can't digest the growth story of " Beniya bukhe kale indian" ...
Even people like Pervez Hoodboy can't accept the truth, their superiority complexity is exit from top to bottom of the society..
A society with these amount of hatred will always be self-annihilated and in these process they will harm INDIA also...
Though I am not supporters of Modi but his pakistan policy is the best. Total cutoff form this people are the best thighs for india, we should not trust these fellow.
BH team,
Please start live sessions. So people can ask questions online as well.
Never gona happen😂 Indians will beat the shit of them...even they know!
There is only one relation with pakistan that no relations with pakistan. Nothing else. Even if the current gov of India changes in 2024, 370 is not gonna come back. Its parliamentary decision was approved by the President of India . It's never gonna reversed in pak's wildest dreams. India had enough tantrums & terrorism of pakistan, so now it's time that both countries can grow independently . India has already picked up a separate direction for growth where pakistan doesn't exist.
It will disatrous for ruling party to take back 370 cauz people don't want 370 there !! They will loose thier power
Couldn’t answer the last gentleman, so he finished the programme!!!🤣🤣
India never mentions Pakistan in any talk,I dont know where he is getting information from😂😂😂😂.
Pakistan is not relevant to India but India is to Pakistan.
USA did not stop till Russia got Putin and Pakistan did not stop till India got Modi.
Jung se hi Bangladesh aazad hua tha aur Pakistan ke 2 tudke hue the. Then war was the only solution.
KASHMIR is literally OPIUM for Pakistan (especially MILLITARY Establishment ..... & ...... it's citizens)
No talk no war just ignore
What can be done now? Lecture on history is a matter of academic interest only. Projection on future process should have been included. This lecture is merely an academic class which is given in a University.
In the talk , who is causing stalemate , speaker avoided naming why is it not clear who is causing and benefiting from this.
Lecture is totally one sided. Kargil debacle was of Musharaf 's making , when Pakistan started loosing the higher position in Kargil , it was Nawaj Sherif who went to US , begging the US to stop the Kargil skirmish using its influence on India.
May 18 appears to be opposite day in blackhole 😂
Partition helped India by keeping Jihadi politics out of India.
keep minding your business ,we Indians really don't see any profit by having good relations with pakistan,
do your thing in pakistan and let us do our work
JAI HIND 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Trade will benifit Pak. But what is the benifit for India?
i think people will agree in the comment section Pakistan has the best comedians and Pakistan going to destroy itself.
Who wants negotiations with beggars 😂😂😂
Intially provided factual information was good part... but ending part felt like good platform was misused
These are intellectuals in pakistan...🤣🤣
Iq is equal to the no. Of present people in the hall..
In India You can be from any religion
But you shouldn't be Anti national
Thats Important
You must Atleast contribute for Nation
In Any sector
Kashmiri
Don't want to stay with India
They never got facilities Buddhe
All money drained into the wealth of kashmiri leaders
Don't worry Just sit and see till 2030
Kashmir Will be The place for
Tourists
We want hafers saeed, salauddin and lots of other before we can even start talking and also, taking back pok will be central to the agenda of talks.
the military is there due to Pakistan cross border terrorism!! He had no logic on Kashmir it was just Pakistan old rhetoric!! They are the one due to kashmiri getting oppressed by thier terrorism so plzz educate yourself!! And second thing he said kashmiri don't want to live with india!! Same thing can be said for Balochistan and sindh !! I wonder why he is bigoted towards kashmiri only not baloch people ! His whole logic of humanity got flat if he is talking kashmiri dont want to live with india then Balochistan and sindh also dont want to live with Pakistan why are you not fighting for them !! So your whole logic is just propaganda far from truth!! I rest my case 😊
Why shouldn't a Hindu majority country Bharat talk about Hindutva to safeguard her heritages and cultures, not more the Hindu or Sanatan Dharm.