Bro, I've never seen 115 gr 9mm that slow. Those had to be 147 gr. And then you interpolated the numbers on the fpe for the airgun making it higher. In reality, a 9mm puts out 280-500 fpe (115 grain standard pressure averages around 325 fpe from a 4'' barrel) and that airgun is putting out 145 fpe...or about 40 fpe less than the average 380 acp or about the same as a 36 gr high velocity 22lr out of a rifle. Great vid... Thanks.
Actually, that info is all correct. Those are subsonic 9mm rounds I had forever. We needed to make it close for the entertainment value. I appreciate you watching!😉👍
There is one big difference, in my country I am allowed to have the AEA or any other airgun without a permit and plink in my backyard, but not any firearm, not even a toy that looks like firearm. And if you can get a permit you are only allowed to shoot on an official range.
I just thought we'd have some fun! I appreciate you watching 👍😉 It's amazing...you do a video for fun and the critical comments from the wise guys🤣 I hope your range is getting closer to completion. I hope to visit that someday!👍🏻👍🏻
Ola jc, I loved watching this video, an unthinkable comparison a few years ago. It's incredible to see the evolution of airguns in recent years. But as I said, they're not on the same level. Excellent and entertaining video. Have a good weekend. Cheers
Im 62 and been into airguns since my first Red Ryder around 1970 or 71 or somewhere close lol. I agree that they have advanced drastically. I remember my Marksman's and old Daisy and Crosman, Sheridan's, Benjamin's etc... the multiple pump and then the fancy co2, wow, those were awesome. Nowadays my K1 Huben, and the new GK1 and the AEA guns, FX, the new Daystate's. I could go on and on but you know...😊 great video brother
Fun and entertaining video! Thanks! And while I realize the 9mm was loaded with subsonic rounds, it is pretty amazing how far airguns have come. That AEA is a nice looking rifle. Looks like it would be pretty handy as well.
Hi Steve, Yes, those were some subsonic rounds I had left over from the department. Those are great for the urban environment. You get great knockdown power and no heavy penetration. You try to avoid a pass through in heavy populated areas. Airguns have come a long way, but they'll never achieve the major leagues. 👍🏻😉
If only there was a way to copper jacket an airgun projectile. That, I think, is the difference. Interesting comparison though, thanks for the inclusion!
Cheers on your choice of beverage 😂. Just got into the hobby with my son who is 7. Purchased him the Stoeger S3000-C Tac and is perfect for him as it's not a total monster to break and cock. Maybe some Stoeger reviews in the future? Enjoy the channel and info.
You did say "re-loads" didn't you JC? I say this because like the others, I thought that the " FPS" shown was pretty slow for a 'normal' 9mm round. I suspect somebody loaded them to be more like the output of the air rifle/carbine.
There's no way that 9mm was shooting those lightweight 115gn slugs that slow😱 Either those were light powder hand loads or something is wrong with that chronograph, because even stock 147gn fmj's are hitting well over 1050 to 1100fps. Nice testing either way😂👍
Commercial sub-sonic 9mm is common and very available. It's used a lot in rapid pistol shooting as the reduced recoil allows for faster reacquisition of the target and as with a lot of competition shooting, accuracy takes precedence over power. Sub-sonic ammo is usually a little cheaper too.
hey JC in the video for the 2023 shot show Stoeger at 2 min into the video you were looking at a wood stock under lever cant any find that look like that, love the stock on it, i have a s6000, but not that type of stock, any idea who sells those? thanks
Amazing to see how air guns have progressed over the years, couldn't even imagine an air gun putting out that kind of power when I started out all those years ago, it was sub 12ftlb springers or nothing. I do have one concern though, while not being on the same scale as a powder burner, the lethality to humans factor is raising it's head which may lead to legislation with limitations and restrictions that warrants air guns to require some sort of governmental certificate or license when above a certain power output similar to the UK where any air gun with a power output above 12ftlbs requires a firearms certificate (license). I can't help but feel that sooner or later, things being what they are, there will be a either a lethal or serious wounding event involving an air gun and big brother along with the anti fire arms lobby will insert themselves into the sport of air gunning and it's usually never a good thing when legislating government bodies get involved with rules and regulations that end up making nobody happy. Fingers crossed and I really hope things don't go that way.
Comsider this… pcp airguns like the one you saw in;this contest have been aroumd longer than modern firearms. The first one was called the giardini and hailed from italy. It shot 45 caliber round balls at over 800 fps. I don’t know how much they weighed but the were successful in a few wars defeating armies of muzzle loaders . Also Louis snd clark took this same rifle with them on an expedition of America. So this technology has been known and used for ages… I was told that the wording used to make those initial constitutional laws explicitly is in relation with firearms and thus its extremely difficult to put restrictions on airguns with the above being factul historical events becuase it’s really hard for justify restricting them after all these years out the bllue…this is just what I’ve been told…obviously we need to keep our people involved in airgunning from behaving recklessly and drawing bad attention anyway s
It is unbelievable what some of those PCP's run. That's why I have plenty of both airguns and firearms in my collection. Happy shooting, and I appreciate you watching 👍
Well to be honest man it’s not very fair or scientific to give the firearm the edge because you didn’t even start out with the same fps/fpe right when you did the assessment in the beginning that showed the m and p was shooting just shy of 1000 fps we knew exactly who woul win…the firearm bc a footPound of energy is going to be a footPound of energy no matter how u slice it. If I wa shooting same grain weight project tile from a sling shot at 1200 fps the damage and penetration would be given to the sling shot. The one thing that you maybe shoild have done was make sure the hollow points cavaity were similar between both weapons because obviously a differently engineeered hollow point will greatly effect the type of damage inflicted on the target …I feel like I’m stating the obvious but I don’t know…it was fun to watch the two different weapons compete tho thanks for the video
Bro, I've never seen 115 gr 9mm that slow. Those had to be 147 gr. And then you interpolated the numbers on the fpe for the airgun making it higher. In reality, a 9mm puts out 280-500 fpe (115 grain standard pressure averages around 325 fpe from a 4'' barrel) and that airgun is putting out 145 fpe...or about 40 fpe less than the average 380 acp or about the same as a 36 gr high velocity 22lr out of a rifle. Great vid... Thanks.
Actually, that info is all correct. Those are subsonic 9mm rounds I had forever. We needed to make it close for the entertainment value. I appreciate you watching!😉👍
Don’t forget a longer barrel for the aea will give it more fps and power .
@AirgunDetectives At 7:11 do you mean exit hole instead of "impact hole"? Cause that is not the same impact hole that was visible when you shot it.
And like the other poster pointed out, the highest fpe for the AEA was146, how did you get an 194 fpe average? What are you doing?
@AirgunDetectives You mean lie for entertainment purposes?
There is one big difference, in my country I am allowed to have the AEA or any other airgun without a permit and plink in my backyard, but not any firearm, not even a toy that looks like firearm. And if you can get a permit you are only allowed to shoot on an official range.
Good job! Air guns get my vote for shooting every day ranges are way too expensive for doing a lot of shooting.
Thank you for watching, and I appreciate your comments 😊
That was awesome, I would not want to get shot with either one. These types of videos are very cool. Keep up the good work 👍.
I just thought we'd have some fun! I appreciate you watching 👍😉 It's amazing...you do a video for fun and the critical comments from the wise guys🤣 I hope your range is getting closer to completion. I hope to visit that someday!👍🏻👍🏻
Ola jc, I loved watching this video, an unthinkable comparison a few years ago. It's incredible to see the evolution of airguns in recent years. But as I said, they're not on the same level. Excellent and entertaining video. Have a good weekend. Cheers
Thank you, my friend. I could not have stated that better. This was a fun video, just to mix it up a but. Have a fantastic weekend! 👍🏻🐕🐕🐕🐕👍🏻
Great Video, Hope u can do more of these type of videos.
This was just for fun to change it up a bit. I appreciate you watching, and thank you for your comments 👍
Im 62 and been into airguns since my first Red Ryder around 1970 or 71 or somewhere close lol. I agree that they have advanced drastically. I remember my Marksman's and old Daisy and Crosman, Sheridan's, Benjamin's etc... the multiple pump and then the fancy co2, wow, those were awesome. Nowadays my K1 Huben, and the new GK1 and the AEA guns, FX, the new Daystate's. I could go on and on but you know...😊 great video brother
Great shooting and comparative analysis, JC. We appreciate you.
Thank you!!👍🏻😉
Lol "gotta love it". I did love it ,cool vid JC and good choice of targets to shoot at. Enjoyed it bro
Fun and entertaining video! Thanks! And while I realize the 9mm was loaded with subsonic rounds, it is pretty amazing how far airguns have come. That AEA is a nice looking rifle. Looks like it would be pretty handy as well.
Hi Steve, Yes, those were some subsonic rounds I had left over from the department. Those are great for the urban environment. You get great knockdown power and no heavy penetration. You try to avoid a pass through in heavy populated areas. Airguns have come a long way, but they'll never achieve the major leagues. 👍🏻😉
Great Comparison.
Thank you to Carl! JC -- Thank you for doing these kinds of reviews.
We’ve come a long way since lewis and Clark did the expedition with their bb gun
Nice!
The firearms will also have the edge .. thanks JC fun test. 😎👍
If only there was a way to copper jacket an airgun projectile. That, I think, is the difference. Interesting comparison though, thanks for the inclusion!
Great video, JC from RKB
Thank you!
Cheers on your choice of beverage 😂. Just got into the hobby with my son who is 7. Purchased him the Stoeger S3000-C Tac and is perfect for him as it's not a total monster to break and cock. Maybe some Stoeger reviews in the future? Enjoy the channel and info.
The graphic said that 9mm air gun had an average of 194 fpe. On the Chrony test the AEA topped at 146 fpe. So how did it average 194 fpe ?
You did say "re-loads" didn't you JC? I say this because like the others, I thought that the " FPS" shown was pretty slow for a 'normal' 9mm round.
I suspect somebody loaded them to be more like the output of the air rifle/carbine.
I like my air guns , but will take the 9 cemterfire any day .. Thanks JC .
Been cool if you did an accuracy comparison in this video
Morning JC!
Kid rock would be proud
There's no way that 9mm was shooting those lightweight 115gn slugs that slow😱 Either those were light powder hand loads or something is wrong with that chronograph, because even stock 147gn fmj's are hitting well over 1050 to 1100fps. Nice testing either way😂👍
Commercial sub-sonic 9mm is common and very available. It's used a lot in rapid pistol shooting as the reduced recoil allows for faster reacquisition of the target and as with a lot of competition shooting, accuracy takes precedence over power. Sub-sonic ammo is usually a little cheaper too.
@@BoggWeasel That's my point, those can't be full power loads.
Do it again. please, very nice video. Regards
hey JC in the video for the 2023 shot show Stoeger at 2 min into the video you were looking at a wood stock under lever cant any find that look like that, love the stock on it, i have a s6000, but not that type of stock, any idea who sells those? thanks
Interesting. You did forget to mention what brand and type centerfire ammo was used. Seems like low velocity stuff?
OK Bud Light, Were these the Dillon Mulvaney Bud Lights,or the BL that the rest of Us drink??? Great choice of target!! Love Ur work!!!
You should of use copper for the air rifles to
You’re using sub sonic ammo, you probably should have mentioned that.
Amazing to see how air guns have progressed over the years, couldn't even imagine an air gun putting out that kind of power when I started out all those years ago, it was sub 12ftlb springers or nothing. I do have one concern though, while not being on the same scale as a powder burner, the lethality to humans factor is raising it's head which may lead to legislation with limitations and restrictions that warrants air guns to require some sort of governmental certificate or license when above a certain power output similar to the UK where any air gun with a power output above 12ftlbs requires a firearms certificate (license). I can't help but feel that sooner or later, things being what they are, there will be a either a lethal or serious wounding event involving an air gun and big brother along with the anti fire arms lobby will insert themselves into the sport of air gunning and it's usually never a good thing when legislating government bodies get involved with rules and regulations that end up making nobody happy. Fingers crossed and I really hope things don't go that way.
Comsider this… pcp airguns like the one you saw in;this contest have been aroumd longer than modern firearms. The first one was called the giardini and hailed from italy. It shot 45 caliber round balls at over 800 fps. I don’t know how much they weighed but the were successful in a few wars defeating armies of muzzle loaders . Also Louis snd clark took this same rifle with them on an expedition of America. So this technology has been known and used for ages… I was told that the wording used to make those initial constitutional laws explicitly is in relation with firearms and thus its extremely difficult to put restrictions on airguns with the above being factul historical events becuase it’s really hard for justify restricting them after all these years out the bllue…this is just what I’ve been told…obviously we need to keep our people involved in airgunning from behaving recklessly and drawing bad attention anyway s
These aea are nice , but for the price , I would go for the real stuff, maybe even get like 2-3 for the price 😅
Love air guns but when they cost the same as a firearm. I go with a new firearm.
It is unbelievable what some of those PCP's run. That's why I have plenty of both airguns and firearms in my collection. Happy shooting, and I appreciate you watching 👍
Well that all you can get in some countries. Plus if you live I. Your car a cop can plant drugs on you if you have a gun
Those 9mm rounds are NOT 115gr. Bud. 147gr is more like it. Don't try to blow smoke.
man as always 👍.TBH i dont want to get hit by both 😀
Pcp wowwwwwww
So different 55555
Well to be honest man it’s not very fair or scientific to give the firearm the edge because you didn’t even start out with the same fps/fpe right when you did the assessment in the beginning that showed the m and p was shooting just shy of 1000 fps we knew exactly who woul win…the firearm bc a footPound of energy is going to be a footPound of energy no matter how u slice it. If I wa shooting same grain weight project tile from a sling shot at 1200 fps the damage and penetration would be given to the sling shot. The one thing that you maybe shoild have done was make sure the hollow points cavaity were similar between both weapons because obviously a differently engineeered hollow point will greatly effect the type of damage inflicted on the target …I feel like I’m stating the obvious but I don’t know…it was fun to watch the two different weapons compete tho thanks for the video
Love your police gang flag behind you. LOL Wow.