I was going to say, I live in NYC and have never seen one on the road. Also it being sold in America surely its not available in estate version like in the EU. The Arteon Shooting Brake is one of the best looking, "regular" cars on the roads today.
There weren't that many on lots to buy. My VW dealer never had more than three on their lot at any one time. Once those were sold it would be months before any more showed up.
I just purchased an Arteon 3/7/2024. It was left over stock from 2023. Fully loaded $13,000 off MSRP which made it $40,253. I am super happy with this purchase.
@@chorseundgrd No one is buying them. i am looking at a NEW 2023 for 8k+ off of MSRP. They have some hanging around and can't sell them so the deals are here.
Sadly, shortly after we filmed this vehicle, VW announced that 2024 will be the last year for the Arteon and its a full-size premium sedan that we're going to miss. If you're looking for a roomy Audi sedan with the acceleration of a Golf R at a discount price, this model should be at the top of your list!
My opinion on this car has not changed. I think it is one of the best looking sedans out right now. This blue looks incredible, though I still prefer the gold/yellow colour offered by VW.
I've had my 23 Kingfisher Blue SE for just over a year. I've owned VWs for over 40 years, this is the best so far. Comfortable, spacious, great performance with very good fuel economy. No issues.
I think this car, sadly, came in the wrong moment, and not correctly priced. Yet, I find the Arteon absolutely wonderful in terms of design. Beautiful car, definitely.
Not going to lie, the Arteon looks really beautiful in terms of its design 👍👍👍 also you can’t not love that 2.0L turbo 4 cylinder that the Golf R has, the Audi S3, it’s a phenomenal engine with an amazing dual clutch. I mean 4.7 seconds in a big sedan like that is mental. That engine definitely ain’t making just 300 HP.
Is it really a phenomenal engine though? Is it reliable? Can you count on it not burning a hole in your pocket after 5 years? All relevant questions when it comes to VW, who are not known for their value or dependency, despite producing "attractive" looking cars.
I had the predecessor to this car, 2nd gen CC, 2.0 turbo, fwd, mid level trim with the split spoke wheels and black with tan leatherette. Fantastic car, received lots of positive comments from bystanders. Depreciation was like a rocket assisted stone falling off a cliff so my recommendation is a lease.
What do you notice about how he described turbo lag? I’m really thinking about this car but I cannot stand laggy transmissions or turbo lag. I drove a Volvo S60 recharge, and the electric motor has that thing snap like a rocket, so quick to respond, it was great. Hopefully the transmission programming in the Arteon doesn’t spoil the party.
Yeah this Arteon is way nicer looking than any VW mommy mobile. Love the blue paint with the two tone interior. The front fascia is also very classy and premium.
@@Rome1017LightsI currently work for VW as well and I use to work for Kia. And I have to agree the VW is definitely better quality. Plastics don’t creek nearly as much. Carpet quality is better as well.
I have a base model 2019 Arteon. It has 74k miles on it and has been flawless. I love the redesigned models. I wish they would’ve priced them better, but it is what it is. Great review as always!
Yeah I have always thought it was an absolutely gorgeous car if this came out in the 90’s or the 2000’s it would have been a hit against the Camry, Accord,Taurus,Altima
I just bought a 2018 one two months ago almost fully equipped for $29k (6500 km 4000 miles) and I love it! The 270 hk engine really have some power behind it!
I had a 14 CC with just over a 100k on the clock when it got totaled a month ago. The Arteon had been on my radar as a one day possible replacement but the early models with the 8 speed gearbox left a lot to be desired and I kind of wrote it off. But with needed to find a car I came across a 22 Arteon SEL R-Line non premium 4motion with the DSG with only 4500 miles.. and its an amazing car! SO I bought it and am very happy with it! I think the biggest drawback is the 50k-ish for " just a VW" is a tough sell on the new car market but slightly used they are a hell of a deal. I got mine for 37k. Also VW didn't do this car any favors only offering it at the beginning with the wrong gearbox/power output. It's like they finally got it right just into to only pull the plug on a great sporty/luxury/practical sedan option that allows you not to have to go the SUV route.
People are definitely open to spend over 50k on many mainstream vehicles. However no sedan is really very desirable at that price. If it was a truck or body on frame SUV it would sell. You get to little car for the money in people's eyes. Just makes no sense to them.
@@baronvonjo1929 Absolutely. What I am saying is I think VW outpriced themselves with a "niche" car. most people will either buy a truck if they need one. Or they will over look this car because of the price point new at 50K and go with a cheaper comparable optioned SUV.....and the people who do actually want a sedan will either go with the more safer/cheaper mainstream choices ( Camrey or Accord) or the ones who are willing to pony up 50K+ for one will most likely be willing to pay a bit more for an Audi, BMW, or MB. I think if VW would have offered the SEL Rline 4 Montion in the low 40s sales would have been a lot better to no have to scuttle the ship.
That 18 gallon tank makes for a great road trip car! I have the 2021 Arteon and frequently get over 550 miles (sometimes 600) in highway driving. You just can't get that from it's competitors. Plus it's one of the most comfortable cars to cruise around in.
The Passat is the real champ with range. Better mileage and slightly larger gas tank. I did over 660 miles in my 2017 Passat. 550-600 range is still not bad though.
@@erichollar5503 for sure! Passat isn't All Wheel drive though so it gains some mpgs and it's engine has a lot less HP and Torque. For folks who don't care about either of those features, I'd go with Passat for pure range!
Literally a budget Audi A7, and it looks perfect~ I love the Audi A7, but I think VW did a great job with making this feel premium without having to spend that much money for the A7.
I have a 24 s3 and i feel like the artwork pulls harder than the s3. You feel turbo pressure build up with the s3 , but with arteon it feels much more springy and like a snapping rubber band that springs once turbo kicks in. So to Me the artwork is much faster that’s why I’m selling the s3 . Plus arteon is way more comfortable..
Never been a VW person. But if i had to money I'd buy it. Because Everyone wants SUV's nowadays Car Companies are killing off so many nice vehicles. Rip Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima , Mazda 6 etc 🤧
I just got used 2020 in Urano Gray SEL-RLINE and loving it so far well maintained in very good condition not showing a ton of wear at the mileage I bought it.Impressive luxury feel and very good mileage in daily commute large tank 430 mile range
Arteon is an incredible car. I wish more people would have checked it out. I was offered one in april of 2020 for 10,000 dollars discount, at VW, the first month of the pandemic there. Wish I had taken the offer, really regret that.
I've been an Arteon fan since I saw the first one and I loved your review of the 2019. I'm guessing I'm the "target" demographic (over 50?). I've been looking at the SEL-Premium because my next vehicle WILL have ventilated seats - a must in CA central valley where summers are over 100 degrees most days in mid summer and I LOVE this color and the interior. Thanks for the updated review and I'm VERY sad to hear that this car is going away. I've looked at Toyotas (not the Crown) and they just feel plastic and cheap on the inside. I love the interior on this and being 6' 1" with three teenage sons my size I need the extra leg room in the back and the extended trunk space. I also love the seat memory because my wife is NOT 6'... or even close 🤣. Finally I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wish this came with the 3.0L 6-cyl from the Atlas. A little tuning that this thing would sell a ton, IMHO. As always, I love the reviews and keep them coming!
Saw one in person SEL R-Line white with sunroof open...was breathtakingly beautiful! I mean what a sexy ass car!! I'm not kidding it's like how did this not sell well? What a shame!!!
Test drove this, the 2023 Honda Accord, and the 2016 Acura RLX-SH. Went with the ultra-rare RLX with a more powerful and efficient power train, more comfortable ride with torque vectoring, better reliability, and far superior audio system. I did enjoy the Arteon's practicality focused hatchback feature and very generous back seat leg room, however. Of course saving much more money on a used premium vehicle isn't bad either 😂
I just traded my 23 gli Jetta on one of these. I got a super good deal on a new 23 Arteon and so far I’m pleased with it. Feels a lot quicker than the GLI, and a lot more comfortable.
Welcome to the Arteon owners club. It is a considerable upgrade going from a Jetta GLI to an Arteon. It’s night and day difference. Now you have AC vents and rear USB-C ports 😂
@eugenem2338 true. I've parked mine next to an A5 at Berlin HBF and A5 seemed smaller, yet more sporty. Arteon is supposed to look great but if you want to fly, you need to buy an R version. Not sure if you can even get it in the US.
This really is a sharp looking car. That vibrant blue, the grill designs, the hawk-eye headlights, the hood streak-lines, even the rims make this an incredibly beautiful car. A bit sad that this is a the last year VW will be making it. But, to be fair - it’s amidst a collection of unicorns among the market clouded by SUV’s…. So…. Companies can’t keep producing models when there’s no profit/sales.
The other day I visited a VW dealer and I saw the Arteon priced @ $58k. It has a Markup price of $4k. So I'm not surprised people are not looking to buy a car that expensive, especially when you can buy similar products for almost $10k less or a brand new E Class for the same money...
Weird, my local dealer still had 3 2022s left overs until recently. SEL trim with $50k+ stickers and they had advertised for $41k for several months before finally selling. I had to talk myself out of buying one, thankfully they were black, silver or white. Blue or red and I would have had an impulse buy!
I bought a '21 Sel R-line a few months back and had a '13 CC before that and this car is AMAZING. Even with the lower output powertrain it is still quick and gets consistently over 35 mpg on the highway. It is a great car and everyone that gets into it loves it.
I just bought this exact car! I love it so much. Make sure you invest in wheel+tire though. The huge rims and cheap tires it comes with make for lots of sidewall bubbles. Edit: the dealer didn’t take the pre-delivery suspension pucks off of mine. I had to take them off myself and now the car rides perfectly.
Definitely been looking at this for whenever I get another car. Love sedans and discovered this last year sometime. Love the look of it. Also glad they’re 300hp now compared to the previous models being 264 or something like that.
Damn, I could neve find this anywhere when it first was launched, but maybe I can try again. This is so much more worth the money compared to the Crown. What a really beautiful car!! Fantastic review!!
Proud owner here. Looks better than a SUV but still providing a lot of boot space. Perfect for a 5h drive from Warsaw to Berlin and not burning too much fuel while cruising. Quite slippery
What a great car, and great review as always. Hopefully these go the way of VW US’s previous full size sedans and drops 50% in price when looking at 3 year old, fresh off lease cars. I can definitely see them selling for
You will probably be right in that thought and they will be a fantastic car for that price point . I got a 22 SEL 4Motion with 4500 miles on it and it already depreciated from the dealers asking price 11k off of the 48.5K window sticker. Definitely look for the MY 22 and newer for the DSG and 300 hp.
I found one for 28k woth 6k miles 😱 I'm so tempted to get it. I love my audi but I need something with 4 doors and that sucks less fuel. This car may be what I'm looking for.... the a5 sportbacks are still really pricey for what they are, although I like those interiors much better.
I've been debating for so long on trading in my CC R line for this. This is probably one of the most beautiful cars VW has ever made under the VW badge. I'll be happy to still be one of the few sedan enjoyers left in North America since everyone wants SUVs/Crossovers now. Will help with negotiating a decent price too since no one's buying sedans and these aren't selling well. People always say why not just get an A4/A5 when the Arteon is mentioned but don't realize that it's not even in the same size class, you get less power, and less options for the same price. You'd have to step it up to the S4/S5 for a proper comparison of luxury/performance options and still have a smaller car if size is one of the things in your search criteria. I'm still going to be filling the exact same Audi/VW windshield washer & coolant reservoirs and same Audi/VW approved oil w/o the Audi price premium for less. Audi interiors are hands down one of the best in the industry though.
Loved this car when I saw a white one in the showroom in 2020 when we bought an Atlas Cross Sport. It had the old weak engine. These are a steal used as they drop in value fast. For an AWD with the R engine it's so nice versus the usual competition.
I recently purchased a '23 SEL R-Line Premium in white. The biggest problem with it is these wheels and tire combo is absolutely garbage. In the Premium trim you are riding on rubber bands. I have hit 2 moderate potholes and have had to replace 3 tires. I have driven the same way for 16 years and only had a flat tire once. I've driven this car 5000 miles and replaced 3 tires. I will need to go down to 17's for winter for sure, but VW never should have made the 20 inch tires standard on any trim. They look sweet but the liability they bring is absolutely assinine. That said, it's a sick car, tech is great, rides like a champ, paid a lot less than sticker... Huge backseat legroom, storage with the hatchback.. checked all my boxes.
@@alvin1039 I'm far from the only one. The Arteon owner's facebook pages and several other forums online of people all around the world with this vehicle have gone through tires like nothing. It's not like I'm off-roading, I'm going at or below the speed of traffic, both instances were completely out of my control. An accord, camry, sonata, any vehicle like that would have eaten them up like nothing. The Arteon tires buckle like I'm riding on birthday balloons. Oh well, I'll look into the TOYO's and a few other rec's I found on the forums. To ease my anxiety I think I'm going to just go down in wheel size at the same time. And all of that said, I still love the car. It's got just about anything you're looking for except for ride height, but I prefer sedans myself. This is about as perfect as a 4 banger is going to get.
I have a 21 SEL Premium R-Line and yes, keeping the tires inflated has been my only issue with this car. i have replaced 3 tires in a year and a half. Getting a full size spare standard is a triple plus!!!….and I will never NOT get the tire and wheel warranty with 35 or 40 size sidewalls. It has saved me hundreds of dollars. Cheers.
VW just knocked this out of the park. The CC it replaced was a favorite of mine and the Arteon is a nice upgrade from that. I do wish the VR6 was still available, though.
Even the 268 version you slap on a tune and you got 350 to 380 Hp. The engine is bonkers with tunes. The 8 speed trans is ok but you can tune that also and it shifts pretty quick. Mine makes 400Hp with down pipe and carbon do88 intake. Great entry level luxury car! Don't follow the crowd type car!
Great for those that enjoy working on their cars since you will void your warranty. The car is more than fast enough for 90% of the population won't even use what it has to the maximum.
I just bought a Honda Fit. I love the way it handles and turns compared to my old 4runner. However I understand why people are leaving typical cars. The ground clearance! Unless you live in a area with pristine roads it's terrible. I live in the rolling hills of the Appalachian mts. So many roads incline and decline or when connecting to other roads. You will damage it one day you can see all the other sedans with damages. You can be careful but if you have a car for years and 10s of thousands of miles a mistake will happen. Also my insurance went up as statistically I am more likely to be in a accident in a small car than a 4runner. I believe it! Everyone been tailgating me. I hope the 34mpg balance it out
You will get 5k off the sticker on these, if you are not you are doing something wrong this is why it is a great choice. I would get the top of line model and then put on the excellent looking 18 inch wheels from the base models......
I agree: it is gorgeous; and I love the blue. I also like the wheels but at 20 inches with such thin sidewalls it might be a bit fragile -- I hope there is a 19 inch option. It is a pity sales were so slow that it will be discontinued in the USA.
@@jeffs6090 Yes, but to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new car - arteons are pricey- only to have to go out and spend thousands more on new wheels and tires sucks.
@@jeffs6090 Yes but to spend tens of thousands of dollars on the car - arteons are pricey- and then to have to spend thousands more on wheels and tires sucks.
Evo4 engine is a grunter, it's amazing how VW Group has developed such incredible-performing 2.0T engines and dual clutch gearboxes. When the Arteon first came out, I knew the lack of DSG gearbox was gonna make it mediocre, so glad they made the right move with the switch to the complete Golf R drivetrain. I'd say it's a pretty damn good compromise for a car with some A5 Sportback niceness but a lot more space, although I get that there's simply way more folk who would spend $50K on an SUV or an Audi..... A5 Sportback: less power, but slightly more sophisticated suspension and AWD system, way cozier cabin space, probably slightly better tech and audio, styling may be preferable.
I really like this car. Compared to the Audi A5, I like the Audi's exterior a little bit better, but I actually like the interior better on the VW. I'm not a fan of the big tacked on top of the dash screen on the Audi. Also better performance than the A5 and a bigger back seat to boot. Plus, it's practically an exotic as there are so few out there!
My family just got into VW‘s recently, bought a 2024 Jetta and bought a 2024 Atlas, love them both. Great transmissions and great engines, but hearing that this Arteon has a laggy transmission and turbo lag might spoil the party, I’m going to test drive one soon, I hope that’s not the case.
Its a shame this car doesnt sell very well its a real gem,it was for me between a used Lexus ES 350 and this and although I like the Lexus and have owned them before just wanted to try this for a change and its very close in feel to the Es 350 to me other than the V6 vs turbo four and the front wheel vs all wheel drive.
I’ve loved this car since the first one. Last year I went to get a used 2019 SEL R line it was cool but the numbers didn’t work out. It was too expensive, ended up with a 2022 Passat SE slightly used and and about $10,000 cheaper. After about 6 months the Passat needed some warranty work . VW gave me a Loaner Arteon SE R line. I have been driving it for 4 months. I love it and want to trade my car or buy it .
@@RobinIntell no the interior is built well , very similar to the Passat. It does have a better steering wheel. The higher trims seem a bit more plush to me.
The Golf R is genuinely fkn fast, but already close enough to the price range most people will pay for a VW. I was also not expecting how good the performance would be for a large liftback sedan thing, it is indeed too bad that sweet spot of a price range buys a lot more desirable stuff, but I still think the Arteon is a bangin' value. It's been a long time since VW dropped us anything besides the MK7 GTI with this much Audi niceness.
I think it’s a great car. I remember back in the early 2000’s VW made the Jetta VR6 which I felt was a worthy budget European sports sedan. I feel that is what this is again. Sad to see it’s in its last year 24:09
great car, but like many other cars, priced too high for what it is. 50k, plus tax, fees is about 55k, and with the interest rates today we're talking an 1100 a month car payment for a 4 door Volkswagen. Right car, wrong time, wrong price. GG no ree
Great review, as always. I have a 2019 Kurkuma Yellow Metallic R-Line, and I still get turned heads and comments, even as I am driving...I've had two different people ask me about the car in city traffic while moving! I love the rarity of the car. I rarely see another one on the road, and that adds to a certain "cachet" value.
I have a bought and paid for (pre covid) 2020 Jetta SEL Premium. It has been great thus far. No issues at all. It would have to be a really sweet deal to get me out of it. For the top spec price of 50,000.00 starting, that's BMW 4 Series money. I'll have the 4 Series.
Week before Christmas, I bought a 2024 BMW M24i ... all the bells and whistles. I got $20,000.00 for my Jetta. I only paid $27,000.00 when I got it in Nov 2019. No regrets on the BMW. @@krane15
Week before Christmas, I bought a 2024 M240i with all the bells and whistles. I got $20,000.00 for my 2020 Jetta. I only paid $27,000.00 for in in Nov 2019. Wrote a check for $36,000.00 and drove the BMW bought and paid for off the show room floor. No regrets with the BMW. My gift to myself for a life well lived and jobs well done.@@krane15
Looks like an Audi A7 with a much better looking front end. Shame it's not continuing. Unfortunately, I'm still not over my bad experience owning VW in the past, and other German manufacturers, so I won't be getting one. But if it had a V8 and AWD it would be mighty tempting... tis a thing of such beauty
Sad to hear about the described turbo lag or a laggy transmission. I’m really thinking about this car but I cannot stand laggy transmissions or turbo lag. I drove a Volvo S60 recharge recently, and the electric motor has that thing snap like a rocket, so quick to respond, it was great. Hopefully the transmission programming in the Arteon doesn’t spoil the party.
Was considering this, but bought a new Audi S3 instead. Needed a new ride after tornado totaled my previous vehicle and they didn't have any like this one on the local lots.
People complain about driving dynamics. People want a sedan with the handling of a Ferrari, 0-60 in under 2 seconds, 1000 mile range, 80 mpg (or 250 mpg-e), cavernous interior room, every electronic entertainment gadget under the sun all for $20,000. 🤔
In South Africa we only got the 140kw version of the 2.0L,it was so beautiful and head turning,sadly they stopped importing them bcos Audi sells better
One thing I notice that's different here compared to the 2022-2023 Arteon US version is the ones I'm seeing online do not have temp adjusters for the rear seats nor the gloss vent surround below the rear bench vents. This applies to the R-Line variants too.
A few months ago my dealer had 3 leftover 2022 SEL with $50k+ stickers with $10k on the hood. I wish i would have bought one but they were bland colors. I think if 23s end up with big discounts again this year Ill try and buy or lease one for fun.
The exterior looks awsome. i would love to see the ambient lighting. If i had the money i would be stuck on wether or not to buy this between the W of a full matching tire spare and the loss of cooled front seats and heated rear seats.
Got the first arteon they came out with a beautiful r line ... it was so unbelievably cheap monthly payment because nobody was buying it and they wanted them on the road. You can't even get a vw up for the money I was paying now.
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It’s sad no one bought this car it really is the most beautiful car VW ever had.
*only beautiful car VW had in its current lineup
I considered one but too underpowered for me. So I went Stinger and now I have a G70
I was going to say, I live in NYC and have never seen one on the road. Also it being sold in America surely its not available in estate version like in the EU. The Arteon Shooting Brake is one of the best looking, "regular" cars on the roads today.
There weren't that many on lots to buy. My VW dealer never had more than three on their lot at any one time. Once those were sold it would be months before any more showed up.
You need to buy one
I just purchased an Arteon 3/7/2024. It was left over stock from 2023. Fully loaded $13,000 off MSRP which made it $40,253. I am super happy with this purchase.
How long do you plan on keeping it?
Until it dies like all my cars.
Can you please share who your dealer is? I have received a quote that’s 6k off sticker but getting 13k would be amazing. Thanks for your help!
$13k? Sheesh. Either you live in Alaska or you put a gun to their head. that's crazy.
@@chorseundgrd No one is buying them. i am looking at a NEW 2023 for 8k+ off of MSRP. They have some hanging around and can't sell them so the deals are here.
Sadly, shortly after we filmed this vehicle, VW announced that 2024 will be the last year for the Arteon and its a full-size premium sedan that we're going to miss. If you're looking for a roomy Audi sedan with the acceleration of a Golf R at a discount price, this model should be at the top of your list!
Actually 2024. Is the last year for the Arteon. I am retired VW/Audi Rep. They will produce 2024 model year Arteon through 2 nd quarter of 2024
Good. This thing is hideous.
@@MARTINRIGGSS i think you need to schedule an eye appointment
@@nickbien😂😂😂
@@MARTINRIGGSS hideous? I agree I think you need to schedule an eye appointment.
My opinion on this car has not changed. I think it is one of the best looking sedans out right now. This blue looks incredible, though I still prefer the gold/yellow colour offered by VW.
Best looking Sedan to me is the Mercedes CLS 550
That was only available for the first year for the US market.
Gold colour is amazing and so unique!
I've had my 23 Kingfisher Blue SE for just over a year. I've owned VWs for over 40 years, this is the best so far. Comfortable, spacious, great performance with very good fuel economy. No issues.
I bought a new Arteon yesterday and man I love it! This is an amazing car 🔥🔥🔥
U still liking the car? How much u paid?
I think this car, sadly, came in the wrong moment, and not correctly priced. Yet, I find the Arteon absolutely wonderful in terms of design. Beautiful car, definitely.
Not going to lie, the Arteon looks really beautiful in terms of its design 👍👍👍 also you can’t not love that 2.0L turbo 4 cylinder that the Golf R has, the Audi S3, it’s a phenomenal engine with an amazing dual clutch. I mean 4.7 seconds in a big sedan like that is mental. That engine definitely ain’t making just 300 HP.
Is it really a phenomenal engine though? Is it reliable? Can you count on it not burning a hole in your pocket after 5 years?
All relevant questions when it comes to VW, who are not known for their value or dependency, despite producing "attractive" looking cars.
@@GOD999MODEhell no it won't be reliable. And once that warranty ends, kiss any resale value goodbye
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@@GOD999MODE I think the latest version of this engine is pretty reliable compared to older versions, if you maintain it properly.
I had the predecessor to this car, 2nd gen CC, 2.0 turbo, fwd, mid level trim with the split spoke wheels and black with tan leatherette. Fantastic car, received lots of positive comments from bystanders. Depreciation was like a rocket assisted stone falling off a cliff so my recommendation is a lease.
I had the same car with manual, 2 years price dropped in half (2013 CC). Still loved it.
I own a 2023 black sel. I love it. Steering is so precise and feels like I'm driving a sports car
What do you notice about how he described turbo lag? I’m really thinking about this car but I cannot stand laggy transmissions or turbo lag. I drove a Volvo S60 recharge, and the electric motor has that thing snap like a rocket, so quick to respond, it was great. Hopefully the transmission programming in the Arteon doesn’t spoil the party.
Yeah this Arteon is way nicer looking than any VW mommy mobile. Love the blue paint with the two tone interior. The front fascia is also very classy and premium.
Just got the SEL and LOVE it. Traded in my 2018 Stinger GT1 and this is so much more luxurious yet equally fun to drive.
Im a vw technician, I don't think I could say the arteon is more luxurious than a higher trim stinger 🤔
@@Rome1017LightsI currently work for VW as well and I use to work for Kia. And I have to agree the VW is definitely better quality. Plastics don’t creek nearly as much. Carpet quality is better as well.
I would have kept the stinger in a few years you will regret buying the VW
I would have kept the stinger in a few years you will regret buying the VW
Just traded in my k5 gt for this
I saw an all black arteon on the freeway a month or so ago and I’ve been into them ever since
I have a base model 2019 Arteon. It has 74k miles on it and has been flawless. I love the redesigned models. I wish they would’ve priced them better, but it is what it is. Great review as always!
Yeah I have always thought it was an absolutely gorgeous car if this came out in the 90’s or the 2000’s it would have been a hit against the Camry, Accord,Taurus,Altima
How is maintenance cost?
@@AdonaiNate it’s honestly not too bad. On par with the Passat’s and other VW’s I had. Oil change every 10k miles. I’ve only done routine maintenance
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I just bought a 2018 one two months ago almost fully equipped for $29k (6500 km 4000 miles) and I love it! The 270 hk engine really have some power behind it!
It’s surprisingly an underated car it’s very fast and sooo smooth and comfortable. Once turbo kicks in it pulls hard
I brought certified 2021 in Aug of 22. I really wanted a 2023. This is the most beautiful sedan ever. I'm going get the 23 with new engine.
I had a 14 CC with just over a 100k on the clock when it got totaled a month ago. The Arteon had been on my radar as a one day possible replacement but the early models with the 8 speed gearbox left a lot to be desired and I kind of wrote it off. But with needed to find a car I came across a 22 Arteon SEL R-Line non premium 4motion with the DSG with only 4500 miles.. and its an amazing car! SO I bought it and am very happy with it!
I think the biggest drawback is the 50k-ish for " just a VW" is a tough sell on the new car market but slightly used they are a hell of a deal. I got mine for 37k. Also VW didn't do this car any favors only offering it at the beginning with the wrong gearbox/power output. It's like they finally got it right just into to only pull the plug on a great sporty/luxury/practical sedan option that allows you not to have to go the SUV route.
People are definitely open to spend over 50k on many mainstream vehicles. However no sedan is really very desirable at that price. If it was a truck or body on frame SUV it would sell. You get to little car for the money in people's eyes. Just makes no sense to them.
@@baronvonjo1929 Absolutely. What I am saying is I think VW outpriced themselves with a "niche" car. most people will either buy a truck if they need one. Or they will over look this car because of the price point new at 50K and go with a cheaper comparable optioned SUV.....and the people who do actually want a sedan will either go with the more safer/cheaper mainstream choices ( Camrey or Accord) or the ones who are willing to pony up 50K+ for one will most likely be willing to pay a bit more for an Audi, BMW, or MB. I think if VW would have offered the SEL Rline 4 Montion in the low 40s sales would have been a lot better to no have to scuttle the ship.
That 18 gallon tank makes for a great road trip car! I have the 2021 Arteon and frequently get over 550 miles (sometimes 600) in highway driving. You just can't get that from it's competitors. Plus it's one of the most comfortable cars to cruise around in.
The Passat is the real champ with range. Better mileage and slightly larger gas tank. I did over 660 miles in my 2017 Passat. 550-600 range is still not bad though.
@@erichollar5503 for sure! Passat isn't All Wheel drive though so it gains some mpgs and it's engine has a lot less HP and Torque. For folks who don't care about either of those features, I'd go with Passat for pure range!
Ehh, passengers always need a bathroom break anyway
It's one hell of a sexy car!! It's shockingly fast and being that so few sold it stands out even more because you rarely see them. Win, win, win!!!!
Literally a budget Audi A7, and it looks perfect~ I love the Audi A7, but I think VW did a great job with making this feel premium without having to spend that much money for the A7.
Inside this thing looks nearly identical to my 2019 Audi S5 sportback! Very cool!!
Finally saw one in person the other day. Absolutely gorgeous.
I have a 24 s3 and i feel like the artwork pulls harder than the s3. You feel turbo pressure build up with the s3 , but with arteon it feels much more springy and like a snapping rubber band that springs once turbo kicks in. So to Me the artwork is much faster that’s why I’m selling the s3 . Plus arteon is way more comfortable..
Never been a VW person. But if i had to money I'd buy it. Because Everyone wants SUV's nowadays Car Companies are killing off so many nice vehicles. Rip Toyota Avalon, Nissan Maxima , Mazda 6 etc 🤧
The Crown replaced the Avalon just as this Arteon replaced the Passat which is being replaced by the ID-7.
It’s sad that it going away. But used ones are going for a pretty good price and those premium R Lines have ventilated seats.
Best looking car. I wish the original one had this engine and transmission
I just got used 2020 in Urano Gray SEL-RLINE and loving it so far well maintained in very good condition not showing a ton of wear at the mileage I bought it.Impressive luxury feel and very good mileage in daily commute large tank 430 mile range
Arteon is an incredible car. I wish more people would have checked it out. I was offered one in april of 2020 for 10,000 dollars discount, at VW, the first month of the pandemic there. Wish I had taken the offer, really regret that.
I've been an Arteon fan since I saw the first one and I loved your review of the 2019. I'm guessing I'm the "target" demographic (over 50?). I've been looking at the SEL-Premium because my next vehicle WILL have ventilated seats - a must in CA central valley where summers are over 100 degrees most days in mid summer and I LOVE this color and the interior. Thanks for the updated review and I'm VERY sad to hear that this car is going away. I've looked at Toyotas (not the Crown) and they just feel plastic and cheap on the inside. I love the interior on this and being 6' 1" with three teenage sons my size I need the extra leg room in the back and the extended trunk space. I also love the seat memory because my wife is NOT 6'... or even close 🤣. Finally I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wish this came with the 3.0L 6-cyl from the Atlas. A little tuning that this thing would sell a ton, IMHO. As always, I love the reviews and keep them coming!
If you want ventilated seats you gotta get a 2022 or older. VW stopped putting them in the premiums in late 2022
Saw one in person SEL R-Line white with sunroof open...was breathtakingly beautiful! I mean what a sexy ass car!! I'm not kidding it's like how did this not sell well? What a shame!!!
Test drove this, the 2023 Honda Accord, and the 2016 Acura RLX-SH. Went with the ultra-rare RLX with a more powerful and efficient power train, more comfortable ride with torque vectoring, better reliability, and far superior audio system. I did enjoy the Arteon's practicality focused hatchback feature and very generous back seat leg room, however. Of course saving much more money on a used premium vehicle isn't bad either 😂
Yep, that krell stereo is shockingly good.
You made a wise decision. Enjoy your Acura.
I just traded my 23 gli Jetta on one of these. I got a super good deal on a new 23 Arteon and so far I’m pleased with it. Feels a lot quicker than the GLI, and a lot more comfortable.
Which trim did you get ?
Welcome to the Arteon owners club. It is a considerable upgrade going from a Jetta GLI to an Arteon. It’s night and day difference. Now you have AC vents and rear USB-C ports 😂
This is legit an Audi A5 for less money 🔥
But it doesn’t have the RWD based Quattro awd.
It is not, I test drove the A5 and the Arteon, the A5 drives significantly better as sports sedan and the interior is better as well
It's literally audi a7 not a5. As in same car rebadged
@@eugenem2338it’s similar in size to an a5 smaller then an a6 or a7, both shorter and narrower.
@eugenem2338 true. I've parked mine next to an A5 at Berlin HBF and A5 seemed smaller, yet more sporty. Arteon is supposed to look great but if you want to fly, you need to buy an R version. Not sure if you can even get it in the US.
Im sure the Arteon is based off the Audi A7’s frame. Looks really nice
Love the color combination and styling. Also like the A7-style hatch ... really practical.
Im yet to see an european SUV at this price point with a boot of similar size that I could take for a longer drive around Europe.
Great looking sedan, nicely done, and with that engine having been upgraded, it's a viable option for sure. Love that color.
Damn! The power train is a beast
This is what the Accord needed!!!
The Accord isn’t focused on performance it’s focused on efficiency.
and BOREDOM ! lol@@DeadAir21
This really is a sharp looking car.
That vibrant blue, the grill designs, the hawk-eye headlights, the hood streak-lines, even the rims make this an incredibly beautiful car.
A bit sad that this is a the last year VW will be making it. But, to be fair - it’s amidst a collection of unicorns among the market clouded by SUV’s…. So…. Companies can’t keep producing models when there’s no profit/sales.
The other day I visited a VW dealer and I saw the Arteon priced @ $58k. It has a Markup price of $4k. So I'm not surprised people are not looking to buy a car that expensive, especially when you can buy similar products for almost $10k less or a brand new E Class for the same money...
Weird, my local dealer still had 3 2022s left overs until recently. SEL trim with $50k+ stickers and they had advertised for $41k for several months before finally selling. I had to talk myself out of buying one, thankfully they were black, silver or white. Blue or red and I would have had an impulse buy!
I bought a '21 Sel R-line a few months back and had a '13 CC before that and this car is AMAZING. Even with the lower output powertrain it is still quick and gets consistently over 35 mpg on the highway. It is a great car and everyone that gets into it loves it.
I just bought this exact car! I love it so much.
Make sure you invest in wheel+tire though. The huge rims and cheap tires it comes with make for lots of sidewall bubbles.
Edit: the dealer didn’t take the pre-delivery suspension pucks off of mine. I had to take them off myself and now the car rides perfectly.
What tires do you recommend?
I love every bit of this. It needs performance all season tires like the pilot AS 4 or extreme contact DWS 06 plus
I’m driving an SUV right now, but if I were to shop for car, I don’t mind going for a good looking Sportback like the Arteon. Too many SUVs tbh.
Too low to the ground for lots of people.
They shouldn’t kill this car. It’s great looking quite fast and fun to drive, luxurious, well built with great precision, etc
Did you buy one?
@@gladdy02did u?
@@shanewilfon6860 nope. My point is if more people who want to keep it alive, bought it, they wouldn't have killed it off
I am one of those people that has no interest in SUVs anymore. I liked my Pontiac 2000 back in the day, my Ford Taurus and now own a 2022 Kia Stinger.
Definitely been looking at this for whenever I get another car. Love sedans and discovered this last year sometime. Love the look of it. Also glad they’re 300hp now compared to the previous models being 264 or something like that.
Damn, I could neve find this anywhere when it first was launched, but maybe I can try again. This is so much more worth the money compared to the Crown. What a really beautiful car!! Fantastic review!!
Proud owner here. Looks better than a SUV but still providing a lot of boot space. Perfect for a 5h drive from Warsaw to Berlin and not burning too much fuel while cruising. Quite slippery
What a great car, and great review as always. Hopefully these go the way of VW US’s previous full size sedans and drops 50% in price when looking at 3 year old, fresh off lease cars. I can definitely see them selling for
You will probably be right in that thought and they will be a fantastic car for that price point . I got a 22 SEL 4Motion with 4500 miles on it and it already depreciated from the dealers asking price 11k off of the 48.5K window sticker. Definitely look for the MY 22 and newer for the DSG and 300 hp.
@@billlump3792I'll be looking for the same SEL R LINE PREMIUM in a year
I found one for 28k woth 6k miles 😱 I'm so tempted to get it. I love my audi but I need something with 4 doors and that sucks less fuel. This car may be what I'm looking for.... the a5 sportbacks are still really pricey for what they are, although I like those interiors much better.
@xoxoxar wow what year? That's great
@lionintu 2020 and it's the sel 4motion r-line
indeed..it is the most beautiful vw ever made..
Such a lovely GT car. looks great, big back seat, love the hatch. But alas, it's not a crossover, so the US doesn't give a damn 😰RIP
I've been debating for so long on trading in my CC R line for this. This is probably one of the most beautiful cars VW has ever made under the VW badge. I'll be happy to still be one of the few sedan enjoyers left in North America since everyone wants SUVs/Crossovers now. Will help with negotiating a decent price too since no one's buying sedans and these aren't selling well.
People always say why not just get an A4/A5 when the Arteon is mentioned but don't realize that it's not even in the same size class, you get less power, and less options for the same price. You'd have to step it up to the S4/S5 for a proper comparison of luxury/performance options and still have a smaller car if size is one of the things in your search criteria. I'm still going to be filling the exact same Audi/VW windshield washer & coolant reservoirs and same Audi/VW approved oil w/o the Audi price premium for less. Audi interiors are hands down one of the best in the industry though.
Loved this car when I saw a white one in the showroom in 2020 when we bought an Atlas Cross Sport. It had the old weak engine. These are a steal used as they drop in value fast. For an AWD with the R engine it's so nice versus the usual competition.
I can’t help but to wonder what could have been if this car had a twin-turbo V6.
100% this is gonna be my next car. Can’t wait to pick one up for cheap in a year or two!
I recently purchased a '23 SEL R-Line Premium in white. The biggest problem with it is these wheels and tire combo is absolutely garbage. In the Premium trim you are riding on rubber bands. I have hit 2 moderate potholes and have had to replace 3 tires. I have driven the same way for 16 years and only had a flat tire once. I've driven this car 5000 miles and replaced 3 tires. I will need to go down to 17's for winter for sure, but VW never should have made the 20 inch tires standard on any trim. They look sweet but the liability they bring is absolutely assinine. That said, it's a sick car, tech is great, rides like a champ, paid a lot less than sticker... Huge backseat legroom, storage with the hatchback.. checked all my boxes.
I have also replaced 3 tires due to potholes. I switched to TOYO tires that cost less and for me a better ride and no blowouts.
@@alvin1039 I'm far from the only one. The Arteon owner's facebook pages and several other forums online of people all around the world with this vehicle have gone through tires like nothing. It's not like I'm off-roading, I'm going at or below the speed of traffic, both instances were completely out of my control. An accord, camry, sonata, any vehicle like that would have eaten them up like nothing. The Arteon tires buckle like I'm riding on birthday balloons. Oh well, I'll look into the TOYO's and a few other rec's I found on the forums. To ease my anxiety I think I'm going to just go down in wheel size at the same time. And all of that said, I still love the car. It's got just about anything you're looking for except for ride height, but I prefer sedans myself. This is about as perfect as a 4 banger is going to get.
I have a 21 SEL Premium R-Line and yes, keeping the tires inflated has been my only issue with this car. i have replaced 3 tires in a year and a half. Getting a full size spare standard is a triple plus!!!….and I will never NOT get the tire and wheel warranty with 35 or 40 size sidewalls. It has saved me hundreds of dollars. Cheers.
I love the way how these reviewers justify the high prices 😃
VW just knocked this out of the park. The CC it replaced was a favorite of mine and the Arteon is a nice upgrade from that. I do wish the VR6 was still available, though.
Even the 268 version you slap on a tune and you got 350 to 380 Hp. The engine is bonkers with tunes. The 8 speed trans is ok but you can tune that also and it shifts pretty quick. Mine makes 400Hp with down pipe and carbon do88 intake. Great entry level luxury car! Don't follow the crowd type car!
Great for those that enjoy working on their cars since you will void your warranty. The car is more than fast enough for 90% of the population won't even use what it has to the maximum.
I think this looks better, than the all-new Accord. Every trim. I'm seriously considering, trading in my 21 Accord Sport SE.🤔
I just bought a Honda Fit. I love the way it handles and turns compared to my old 4runner. However I understand why people are leaving typical cars. The ground clearance! Unless you live in a area with pristine roads it's terrible. I live in the rolling hills of the Appalachian mts. So many roads incline and decline or when connecting to other roads. You will damage it one day you can see all the other sedans with damages. You can be careful but if you have a car for years and 10s of thousands of miles a mistake will happen.
Also my insurance went up as statistically I am more likely to be in a accident in a small car than a 4runner. I believe it! Everyone been tailgating me. I hope the 34mpg balance it out
You will get 5k off the sticker on these, if you are not you are doing something wrong this is why it is a great choice. I would get the top of line model and then put on the excellent looking 18 inch wheels from the base models......
I agree: it is gorgeous; and I love the blue. I also like the wheels but at 20 inches with such thin sidewalls it might be a bit fragile -- I hope there is a 19 inch option.
It is a pity sales were so slow that it will be discontinued in the USA.
Agree. II have a VW with 35 sidewalls and have had multiple tire fails on potholes. If the wheels had been 18s on the premium I would get one.
You realize you can buy any wheel and tire combo you want when you own the car, right?
they did not advertise or promote it at all. so strange. they sold it but didnt support it.
@@jeffs6090 Yes, but to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new car - arteons are pricey- only to have to go out and spend thousands more on new wheels and tires sucks.
@@jeffs6090 Yes but to spend tens of thousands of dollars on the car - arteons are pricey- and then to have to spend thousands more on wheels and tires sucks.
Damn! That’s a good looking car.
DSG makes a big difference. It can shave 0.7-1.0 second 0-60.
Arteon Caught my attention the first time I saw it. It's one beautiful sedan.
I really like this car, but $47k? At that price you have some luxury models to compete with.
Evo4 engine is a grunter, it's amazing how VW Group has developed such incredible-performing 2.0T engines and dual clutch gearboxes. When the Arteon first came out, I knew the lack of DSG gearbox was gonna make it mediocre, so glad they made the right move with the switch to the complete Golf R drivetrain. I'd say it's a pretty damn good compromise for a car with some A5 Sportback niceness but a lot more space, although I get that there's simply way more folk who would spend $50K on an SUV or an Audi..... A5 Sportback: less power, but slightly more sophisticated suspension and AWD system, way cozier cabin space, probably slightly better tech and audio, styling may be preferable.
I have been waiting forever for you to review this car with all the updates lol😃
This is hands down one of the best cars on the road everything flows perfectly
such a beautiful car but VW misread the market on this one. They should've brought back the toureg. Would be a hit
I really like this car. Compared to the Audi A5, I like the Audi's exterior a little bit better, but I actually like the interior better on the VW. I'm not a fan of the big tacked on top of the dash screen on the Audi. Also better performance than the A5 and a bigger back seat to boot. Plus, it's practically an exotic as there are so few out there!
That spec is just amazing !
My family just got into VW‘s recently, bought a 2024 Jetta and bought a 2024 Atlas, love them both. Great transmissions and great engines, but hearing that this Arteon has a laggy transmission and turbo lag might spoil the party, I’m going to test drive one soon, I hope that’s not the case.
Absolutely love the Arteon’s styling!!
Its a shame this car doesnt sell very well its a real gem,it was for me between a used Lexus ES 350 and this and although I like the Lexus and have owned them before just wanted to try this for a change and its very close in feel to the Es 350 to me other than the V6 vs turbo four and the front wheel vs all wheel drive.
I’ve loved this car since the first one. Last year I went to get a used 2019 SEL R line it was cool but the numbers didn’t work out. It was too expensive, ended up with a 2022 Passat SE slightly used and and about $10,000 cheaper. After about 6 months the Passat needed some warranty work . VW gave me a Loaner Arteon SE R line. I have been driving it for 4 months. I love it and want to trade my car or buy it .
Does the interior feel cheap?
@@RobinIntell no the interior is built well , very similar to the Passat. It does have a better steering wheel. The higher trims seem a bit more plush to me.
The Golf R is genuinely fkn fast, but already close enough to the price range most people will pay for a VW. I was also not expecting how good the performance would be for a large liftback sedan thing, it is indeed too bad that sweet spot of a price range buys a lot more desirable stuff, but I still think the Arteon is a bangin' value. It's been a long time since VW dropped us anything besides the MK7 GTI with this much Audi niceness.
I think it’s a great car. I remember back in the early 2000’s VW made the Jetta VR6 which I felt was a worthy budget European sports sedan. I feel that is what this is again. Sad to see it’s in its last year 24:09
I love it but if I pay up for a newer one it will surely depreciate like a wet blanket?
great car, but like many other cars, priced too high for what it is. 50k, plus tax, fees is about 55k, and with the interest rates today we're talking an 1100 a month car payment for a 4 door Volkswagen. Right car, wrong time, wrong price. GG no ree
Just looked and they are wanting 50k for 2022 models near me. There are so many options for 50k and this isn’t even top 10 in that price range.
Great review, as always. I have a 2019 Kurkuma Yellow Metallic R-Line, and I still get turned heads and comments, even as I am driving...I've had two different people ask me about the car in city traffic while moving! I love the rarity of the car. I rarely see another one on the road, and that adds to a certain "cachet" value.
I have a bought and paid for (pre covid) 2020 Jetta SEL Premium. It has been great thus far. No issues at all. It would have to be a really sweet deal to get me out of it. For the top spec price of 50,000.00 starting, that's BMW 4 Series money. I'll have the 4 Series.
Yeah, entry level BMW with all vinyl and cloth interior. Unlikely to even find one at that price in the U.S., and certainly not as fast.
Week before Christmas, I bought a 2024 BMW M24i ... all the bells and whistles. I got $20,000.00 for my Jetta. I only paid $27,000.00 when I got it in Nov 2019. No regrets on the BMW. @@krane15
Week before Christmas, I bought a 2024 M240i with all the bells and whistles. I got $20,000.00 for my 2020 Jetta. I only paid $27,000.00 for in in Nov 2019. Wrote a check for $36,000.00 and drove the BMW bought and paid for off the show room floor. No regrets with the BMW. My gift to myself for a life well lived and jobs well done.@@krane15
Own a Volkswagen tiguan allspace premium elegance 2022 and Audi A4 2023. Love them both. Very high quality cars.
Its impressive, beautiful and totally underappreciated.
I have never heard of an Arteon until 5 minutes ago.
Looks like an Audi A7 with a much better looking front end. Shame it's not continuing. Unfortunately, I'm still not over my bad experience owning VW in the past, and other German manufacturers, so I won't be getting one. But if it had a V8 and AWD it would be mighty tempting... tis a thing of such beauty
Those capacitive steering wheel buttons and capacitive HVAC buttons are most definitely not saving the Arteon from discontinuation
Sad to hear about the described turbo lag or a laggy transmission. I’m really thinking about this car but I cannot stand laggy transmissions or turbo lag. I drove a Volvo S60 recharge recently, and the electric motor has that thing snap like a rocket, so quick to respond, it was great. Hopefully the transmission programming in the Arteon doesn’t spoil the party.
Was considering this, but bought a new Audi S3 instead. Needed a new ride after tornado totaled my previous vehicle and they didn't have any like this one on the local lots.
People complain about driving dynamics. People want a sedan with the handling of a Ferrari, 0-60 in under 2 seconds, 1000 mile range, 80 mpg (or 250 mpg-e), cavernous interior room, every electronic entertainment gadget under the sun all for $20,000. 🤔
That "too expensive" comment just means they can't afford it.
reviewing the least popular sedan, a true hero. This is why I like you lol
In South Africa we only got the 140kw version of the 2.0L,it was so beautiful and head turning,sadly they stopped importing them bcos Audi sells better
One thing I notice that's different here compared to the 2022-2023 Arteon US version is the ones I'm seeing online do not have temp adjusters for the rear seats nor the gloss vent surround below the rear bench vents. This applies to the R-Line variants too.
@@japanwatchconnection yours is USDM?
To get the 3 Zone AC with rear HVAC controls you have to get the Arteon SEL Premium top of the line. That’s the one I have
A few months ago my dealer had 3 leftover 2022 SEL with $50k+ stickers with $10k on the hood. I wish i would have bought one but they were bland colors. I think if 23s end up with big discounts again this year Ill try and buy or lease one for fun.
The exterior looks awsome. i would love to see the ambient lighting. If i had the money i would be stuck on wether or not to buy this between the W of a full matching tire spare and the loss of cooled front seats and heated rear seats.
2019, I thought about this vehicle.
But it didn't have enough power, compared to the Kia STINGER.
STILL prefer the STINGER
🤮
Yup. Can't make up for the FWD dynamics of this car, plus a JB4-tuned Stinger is a beast.
Are there options for smaller rims and bigger tired? Aftermarket only? Living in NYC, These Low Profile tires are a NO GO!
Aftermarket only if you want smaller wheels and tires.
Got the first arteon they came out with a beautiful r line ... it was so unbelievably cheap monthly payment because nobody was buying it and they wanted them on the road. You can't even get a vw up for the money I was paying now.